6 years charging on level one. It adds up. 60 miles a night x 350 nights a year = 21,000 miles a year at super low off peak rates. Supplement when necessary with the Tesla Supercharger Network. 😊
Level 1 at 240 volts in Portugal gives a charge rate of 2.5kw. With solar panels and home battery, once that battery is full I plug the car in and get free power. This works for 6-8 months, and the rest of the year I plug in overnight. Much better than spending $1000 on a Wall box.
We used only level one for the first four months in our model Y. We got about 4 miles of range per hour of charge, so if we left it plugged in for ten hours a night, that gave us 40 miles range. Being as we only drove 30 miles a day, that filled our tank 10 miles a day, kind of like a piggy bank, if you put in more than you use, you get the reward. If we had a busy couple of weeks, we might drive 50 miles a day and only replenish 30 of that, so net loss of 20 miles per day. for that scenario, we would visit a super charger every week or two to top it off. Easy peesey. We finally got a level 2 charger, so I could charge it only once a week, but I like to start off each day with a full (80%) tank just in case unexpected errands come up. Long story short, even if you drive a lot, level one at home can still do the lions share of your charging. And if you don't drive much, level one is plenty!
Same here, i commute 40 miles per day and L1 is good enough on my Model S. Wife’s Lexus hybrid SUV gets the workout on weekends since she drives 30 miles max on weekdays. I regret spending $1500 on L2 charging at home since I don’t really NEED it.
Level one charging in the UK is typically 2.2kW. Far better than the US! That makes the ‘granny charger’ a much easier option. Level two in the UK is 7kW, so simple as long as one has a 32A outlet. I’ve got a variable level one charger that will charge as little as 1.6kW - so good, if needed, on a sunny day from solar. I expect charging has a constant loss, while charging (items operating within the vehicle and power loss within the charger), so the lower the charge rate the lower the charging efficiency. But if you can, it’s an obvious way to go if you don’t mind the efficiency. Your video could have been no more than a few minutes (3?) if you had simply shown the charge rate at 1kW and the 3 miles gained per hour. Rest was waffle.
Me too,my model S is only used as a 40 miles round trip to work commute car and I get free charging at work. Even if I don’t get free charging at work, L1 is good enough for my need when I plug it in when I get home and it gives me 40-60 miles on 10-12 hours. My wife’s Lexus hybrid SUV gets weekends duties.
I bought a FAST level one charger , one that you can set the amps to 8, 12 or 16 amps, I have a dedicated 20 amp socket in my garage next to my level two charger. I have two EV's and my wife usually uses the level 2, i have no problem staying charged up on the 16 amp level one. Thats about 5 mph in charging speed, so 12 hours gives me 60 miles or so.
We used level 1 successfully for 4 months. Then winter hit and we needed to go to a 3.3 kw level 2. Lower power options will work for lots of people. You need to look at how many miles you drive. According to the Dept of transportation, half of all Americans drive less than 37 miles per day. That could be fine easily on level 1.
Ditto as others have said. I work from home most days of the week, so only drive our EV about 100 miles per week. As such, Level 1 works nicely … no fuss, no muss. And I use EVGo when needed for a quick DC fast charging boost. We have a hybrid vehicle as well that we can use for longer trips … and with our Lexus EV we also get 30-days of free loaners through Lexus if we need to travel longer distances during the year.
i added a 240v charger with a 2nd hand dryer outlet splitter, a 4 pin dryer cord, and an ABS 14-50 receptacle box. found a new in box 50$ 240 volt charger, drilled a 10mm hole through wash room to garage, wall mounted everything. whole project cost me like 92$ after tax. we rent the house so... didnt want to be wiring into the electrical box or anything. probably will take it with me when i move out. pretty comfortable patching drywall, but its like behind the dryer no one would probably ever notice. my volt maxes out at 3.2kw so like 13.5 amps, and with the 30 amp breaker that goes to our clothes dryer i can still run it on low while charging at max speed without tripping the breaker.
In Europe, any Schuko plug can supply 3.7kW (16A at 230V) short term, and 3kW continuous. And that is lowest power possible. Where I live, 3 phase is common and having 9kW charge at home is easy.
@@goneelectric I even make home made chargers, 7kW over 3 phase 10A using thin 5x1.5mm cable. In some Europe countries (like Yugoslavia), there was even domestic 3 phase plug. Around the farm it is used for 3 phase wood saw, compressors, corn elevator, welder. Inside for space heaters, storage heater and electric range (oven + cooktop). My 120sqrm house has a 3 phase outlet in every room, one outside and one in the garage. Only limiting factor I have is that I can use 2 of them at full at the same time, or I would trip service fuse. But having 11kW in every room is nice. And it can be adapted to 3x single phase 16A with 5$ adapter.
For convenience and ability to charge whenever I have the need, I installed hardwired ChargePoint level 2 charger. Installation and the charger cost me $1200.00. It’s all about convenience. I prefer sending my money on errands.
I've been driving my Mustang Mach-e AWD with a 72 KVA battery for five months & have put 4100 kms on during that period. Driving with heat & seat warmers on, I use about 25kw/100km mixed driving & about 24kw/100km highway driving with the AC on & an average speed of 120km/h. Driving the car without heat or air & the windows down on nice days, I have achieved consumption rates of 14kw/100kms. I am not a "hyper-miler" by any means and very much enjoy the acceleration & torque of the electric motor. I've used a supercharger once during an unexpected 400km round trip (I was about 60% charged at the time) and a level 2 charger at the local community center twice simply because I wanted to know how the process worked. Those three exceptions aside, I have charged my car exclusively at 115v using my mobile charger which provides 1.2kw an hour. I generally keep the car between 30% & 80% charged. I do not charge the car daily. When the charge level drops below 40% I plug it in. If I have an upcoming trip, I may plug it in to get it to 80%-100% before the trip. If I need the car before I reach my charge target, I will unplug, run my errands & replug when I get home - no worries. Unlike an ICE car, I can sleep, eat & watch TV while I "fill up". One day I will get off my rear & arrange for an electrician to install a 220v outlet so I can reduce my charge time, but it really hasn't affected me. I do enjoy not worrying about gas prices or thinking about having to visit a gas station to fill my tank. As for the one time I had to use a supercharger (at a highway service center), I connected the car to the supercharger, used the restroom, then ordered my meal at A&W. By the time I had my meal (roughly 30 minutes later the restaurant was busy), I had already reached my charge target of 80%. I unplugged, ate my meal and continued my trip. If I had to fill my tank, it would have added 5-10 minutes to my travel time. Any real patience required was for waiting for the food.
Great information! I just bought a Honda Prologue and am getting a similar rate of overnight charging using level 1. I typically drive about 10 miles per day so I’m hoping to use mostly level 1 with an occasional level 3 charge on/after a trip.
I commute 40 miles per day and on weekend my EV is not even used. On weekends we use my wife’s Lexus hybrid SUV 99% of the time since she doesn’t drive much on the weekdays. Level 1 is good enough on my Tesla MS……..but I do get free charging at work.
Yes! But do not allow the percentage of charge to go below 50%. Also, charge between the hours of 8:00pm to 8:00 am which should be enough for daily driving. I'm currently doing this until I get my panel upgrade and fast charger.
I will eventually convert the welding plug in the garage to 14-50 which will allow Level 2 charging. However, I find that I rarely don't have my target charge level by morning. I get some benefit from charging at work, so that reduces the total time needed to charge at home. On the emergency trip in the middle of the night. I need less than 10% to get the hospital from my house, so this is a non-issue. Also, I have another car if there was ever a problem.
Good video, if I had garage parking i would be able to get away with level 1 no problem, but in the winter at least 25% of my energy available for charging would probably be going to battery / cabin preheating. I share the garage with others though so i'm probably going to install a 20 amp 240v outlet. 3.5KW should be pretty good. Id go with a full 50 amp circuit since my charge location is within a foot of the main panel so wiring cost is negligible but I don't have the available capacity in my breaker panel for more than 25 amp max.
Currently using level 1 in the UK (240v) which gives me about 2.2Kw per hour, waiting for my level 2 to be installed (about 7Kw). I think it depends on how you use your vehicle, if you drive quite a bit each day, level 1 will unlikely work, if your car is not in use for days, then level 1 could work (and save the purchase of a level 2 charger!)
@@goneelectric Sadly not, however, I've managed to get a good deal via the company I work for (known as salary sacrifice in which I pay for the charger before tax so I save a few quid(pounds!).
Great video! Just got an Ioniq 5 and use the level 1 charger and it works great. I really don't drive that much so it's not an issue. What was raised as an issue on another video I watched was how much more expensive it is for electricity by using a Level 1 charger as opposed to level 2. Do you know anything about that?
Thanks! From what I understand, level 2 charging is more efficient (and potentially less expensive) than level 1 because level 1 provides 120 volts whereas level 2 provides 240 volts. Your car’s internal charger must convert the current from level 1 and 2, which in AC, to DC. This conversion takes place because EV batteries are formatted for DC. DC voltage is far higher than AC (i5 battery is 800volts). Your car’s charger has to match that high DC voltage while charging, and since Level 2 provides 240 volts, the gap is smaller between voltage supply and your car’s voltage. There are probably other things too, but that’s my limited understanding! Take into account the upfront costs of installing level 2 as well- I’ve heard it can get pricey.
I have the same car and charger and the efficiency isn't that different. Yeah 240 is a little more efficient, but you'd really have to pinch the pennies to notice. However, that's off peak power at 6.5 cents per kwh, so your mileage may vary.
Could I only use level one charging? Yes, I could, but I don't need or want to. My problem is they changed the cord that comes with the Leaf to a level two cord. The first time I needed it and I can't plug it in. I could plug in a 110v cord. Right now, I have a battery charger connected to the 12v battery under the hood. Thing is I don't know if ANY of this power will make it to the main battery, and I don't dare to try to get the car home. It is only a couple miles, but I don't want to need another tow. When I turn it on it says it needs a charge and would only work on reduced power. If it told me it has one percent I would be thrilled, because I would be sure I would get home where I have always done all of my charging. And there I have level 2.
I have a Hummer EV SUV. Level 1 is a waste of time. 1 mile per hour. Level 2 hardwire gets me about 18 miles per hour. Never used a public charger and hopefully never have to. Too much hassle. I get about 290 miles at 80%. More than adequate for daily use.
I think you drive an ID ... they are good. I get by with level 1 and my town gives me free charging on level 2. so i get back. I am on a low tarif for the electricity so it only costs me about 3.50 euros for 150km so i am pretty happy. I have been told its ok to do 100% but you need to use the vehicle as soon as it has been charged. 95% to 100% seems to take an eternity so i regularly charge to 90%. I noticed with the ID vehicles performance wise they work better when the battery is above 80%. But the car between 20% to 80% is fast enough for me. I am just after comfort, security and to have a non tech car that my partner can drive. She cant stand tech.
Wow, free level 2 is unheard of where we live. Even my place of work charges a high price for it! I don't notice a difference in performance in my ID's performance until I'm below 65% or so. It's a great car!
I drive 28km everyday. That’s pretty much my routine. If my car is “fully” charged and I only top it off at night with a level 1 charger. Would I be ok? That’s my question. Road trips are road trips, they are rare and I would plan ahead.
Based on level 1 charging in the US (120 volt, as depicted in this video), you’d be ‘mostly’ covered with overnight L1. As you point out, road trips or longer commutes will occasionally necessitate DCFC or L2.
I think you could survive if you don't drive much. But with the incentives from the Fed and State and Xcel (power companies), you can get a lot of money back in rebates and such for the electrical installation and the charger itself. So it makes it worth it. They may go away at some point so why wait. Take advantage of them while you can.
I was using Level One charging for the first few weeks, and then I couldn't take it anymore. It didn't have to do with the amount I was driving each day it was just the aggravation of knowing it was charging up so slow so I installed a 240-volt outlet and bought a relatively inexpensive level 2 charing cable that matched the speed of the charger in my vehicle and things are a lot better now. Question using level 2 wouldn't you still use the same amount of electricity as level 1 it just gets pumped in faster?
@@eveanddell Typically, it is cheaper to charge with L2 than L1, since voltage for L2 (~240v) is closer to your car’s battery voltage. In essence it’s more efficient. Just have to balance that with installation costs for L2, which can vary quite a bit based on several factors. A few folks in the comments for this video have shared how much it cost for them.
L2 charging is essentially the same as L1 in terms of battery wear. It is L3 DC fast charging that is hard on the battery, although even then it’s not as bad as it is often made out to be. Charging beyond the 10-80% range is harder on the battery. We’ve been charging exclusively on an L2 for 2.5 years, and the battery capacity hasn’t changed. Being able to fully charge in 10 hours instead of 36 is hugely important for us, as our daily trips tends to be fairly lengthy.
Can someone go into the cheapest way to get a 60 AMP 220 circuit into a residence ? The 2022 Chevy Bolts can take advantage of a 60 AMP circuit which can fully charge from empty to 100% in apx 7 hours, but others have said it's rare for even modern homes to have this type of circuit AMPS:
Going to 90% and even 95% has been shown to be fairly safe in studies, but definitely avoid the 95% to 100% charging or letting it fall below 10% to reduce battery degradation.
Besides battery health, fast charging that last 20% takes much much longer than say 30 to 50%, and you wouldn't do that on a road trip unless in a pinch. As I understand it, charging to 100% just before a trip is not that damaging. Letting the car sit for many hours at 100% is what is concerning. Exception: if your car has lfp batteries, you can charge to 100% with much less concern.
This is the issue with electric. I got quoted $8k to upgrade to L2. I drive 20k miles a year so level 1 would be constant ly charging my car and using superchargers. Totally inconvenient. This needs to be figured out for townhome owners.
Agreed. My folks had a similar issue- they live in a condo and the HOA rejected installation of L2 in their communal parking garage due to the cost and apparent complication (old and lacking electrical infrastructure). Ironically, a nearby condo building installed L2 for every parking space in their communal garage
I ran into a guy today in the strip mall parking lot and he was charging his EV. I asked him how long does it take to get a full charge. He said, it takes about 30 minutes I came out of the stores an hour later, and he was still charging. His range was only about 200 miles as he ran the AC and a stereo system. BIG DEAL.!. One day he will go on a cross county journey and end up stuck in inner city Detroit.
I’ve actually got a video showing how long it can take. It can be annoying if you rely solely on public charging instead of home charging. And you’ve got to be prepared for those road trips!
Not about the money. It depends on what you need and lifestyle. I paid almost $90k cash on my model S and I regret wasting $1500 on a L2 charging at home. I don’t need fast charging as my commute is only 40 miles per day and I get free charging at work. We just bought a new Lexus hybrid SUV and it s a much better solution on longer family trips. Now if I have 2 EVs at home the L2 is definitely worth it. But wife doesn’t want an EV and I am ok with that.
@@goneelectric Yep, I could have use that $1500 L2 home charger expense and spend it on occasional Supercharger. I have had the MS for 2 years and I supercharged probably 4-5 times only. Honestly if I didn’t have the L2 at home it wouldn’t change my life one bit. Even if I don’t have free charging at home, I do just fine.
How about all these EV "HATERS" actual looking at the data? My EV has 120,000 miles and still drives like new with the original brakes and battery with over 95% of the original capacity.
6 years charging on level one. It adds up. 60 miles a night x 350 nights a year = 21,000 miles a year at super low off peak rates. Supplement when necessary with the Tesla Supercharger Network. 😊
Level 1 at 240 volts in Portugal gives a charge rate of 2.5kw. With solar panels and home battery, once that battery is full I plug the car in and get free power. This works for 6-8 months, and the rest of the year I plug in overnight. Much better than spending $1000 on a Wall box.
We used only level one for the first four months in our model Y.
We got about 4 miles of range per hour of charge, so if we left it plugged in for ten hours a night, that gave us 40 miles range.
Being as we only drove 30 miles a day, that filled our tank 10 miles a day, kind of like a piggy bank, if you put in more than you use, you get the reward.
If we had a busy couple of weeks, we might drive 50 miles a day and only replenish 30 of that, so net loss of 20 miles per day.
for that scenario, we would visit a super charger every week or two to top it off. Easy peesey.
We finally got a level 2 charger, so I could charge it only once a week, but I like to start off each day with a full (80%) tank just in case unexpected errands come up.
Long story short, even if you drive a lot, level one at home can still do the lions share of your charging. And if you don't drive much, level one is plenty!
Nice! We get by easily with Level one as well. Makes EV ownership easy!
Same here, i commute 40 miles per day and L1 is good enough on my Model S. Wife’s Lexus hybrid SUV gets the workout on weekends since she drives 30 miles max on weekdays. I regret spending $1500 on L2 charging at home since I don’t really NEED it.
Level one charging in the UK is typically 2.2kW. Far better than the US! That makes the ‘granny charger’ a much easier option. Level two in the UK is 7kW, so simple as long as one has a 32A outlet. I’ve got a variable level one charger that will charge as little as 1.6kW - so good, if needed, on a sunny day from solar. I expect charging has a constant loss, while charging (items operating within the vehicle and power loss within the charger), so the lower the charge rate the lower the charging efficiency.
But if you can, it’s an obvious way to go if you don’t mind the efficiency.
Your video could have been no more than a few minutes (3?) if you had simply shown the charge rate at 1kW and the 3 miles gained per hour. Rest was waffle.
THIS. I drive a MY and I only use L1 charging at home (installing an L2 is physically impossible at my condo). L1 has been great for me
With a 30 mile daily commute we used a L1 charger exclusively with no issues.
Do you only use your vehicle for commuting?
Makes sense!
Me too,my model S is only used as a 40 miles round trip to work commute car and I get free charging at work. Even if I don’t get free charging at work, L1 is good enough for my need when I plug it in when I get home and it gives me 40-60 miles on 10-12 hours. My wife’s Lexus hybrid SUV gets weekends duties.
I bought a FAST level one charger , one that you can set the amps to 8, 12 or 16 amps, I have a dedicated 20 amp socket in my garage next to my level two charger. I have two EV's and my wife usually uses the level 2, i have no problem staying charged up on the 16 amp level one. Thats about 5 mph in charging speed, so 12 hours gives me 60 miles or so.
Great set-up!
We used level 1 successfully for 4 months. Then winter hit and we needed to go to a 3.3 kw level 2.
Lower power options will work for lots of people. You need to look at how many miles you drive. According to the Dept of transportation, half of all Americans drive less than 37 miles per day. That could be fine easily on level 1.
Exactly, and I assume most people way overestimate how much they drive.
Ditto as others have said. I work from home most days of the week, so only drive our EV about 100 miles per week. As such, Level 1 works nicely … no fuss, no muss. And I use EVGo when needed for a quick DC fast charging boost. We have a hybrid vehicle as well that we can use for longer trips … and with our Lexus EV we also get 30-days of free loaners through Lexus if we need to travel longer distances during the year.
This makes a lot of sense. As you point out, L1 is plenty for lots of folks- that Lexus deal is great!
i added a 240v charger with a 2nd hand dryer outlet splitter, a 4 pin dryer cord, and an ABS 14-50 receptacle box. found a new in box 50$ 240 volt charger, drilled a 10mm hole through wash room to garage, wall mounted everything.
whole project cost me like 92$ after tax.
we rent the house so... didnt want to be wiring into the electrical box or anything. probably will take it with me when i move out. pretty comfortable patching drywall, but its like behind the dryer no one would probably ever notice.
my volt maxes out at 3.2kw so like 13.5 amps, and with the 30 amp breaker that goes to our clothes dryer i can still run it on low while charging at max speed without tripping the breaker.
In Europe, any Schuko plug can supply 3.7kW (16A at 230V) short term, and 3kW continuous. And that is lowest power possible.
Where I live, 3 phase is common and having 9kW charge at home is easy.
You’re going to leave a lot of people jealous with this comment.
@@goneelectric I even make home made chargers, 7kW over 3 phase 10A using thin 5x1.5mm cable. In some Europe countries (like Yugoslavia), there was even domestic 3 phase plug. Around the farm it is used for 3 phase wood saw, compressors, corn elevator, welder. Inside for space heaters, storage heater and electric range (oven + cooktop). My 120sqrm house has a 3 phase outlet in every room, one outside and one in the garage.
Only limiting factor I have is that I can use 2 of them at full at the same time, or I would trip service fuse. But having 11kW in every room is nice. And it can be adapted to 3x single phase 16A with 5$ adapter.
For convenience and ability to charge whenever I have the need, I installed hardwired ChargePoint level 2 charger. Installation and the charger cost me $1200.00. It’s all about convenience. I prefer sending my money on errands.
I've been driving my Mustang Mach-e AWD with a 72 KVA battery for five months & have put 4100 kms on during that period.
Driving with heat & seat warmers on, I use about 25kw/100km mixed driving & about 24kw/100km highway driving with the AC on & an average speed of 120km/h. Driving the car without heat or air & the windows down on nice days, I have achieved consumption rates of 14kw/100kms. I am not a "hyper-miler" by any means and very much enjoy the acceleration & torque of the electric motor.
I've used a supercharger once during an unexpected 400km round trip (I was about 60% charged at the time) and a level 2 charger at the local community center twice simply because I wanted to know how the process worked. Those three exceptions aside, I have charged my car exclusively at 115v using my mobile charger which provides 1.2kw an hour. I generally keep the car between 30% & 80% charged. I do not charge the car daily. When the charge level drops below 40% I plug it in. If I have an upcoming trip, I may plug it in to get it to 80%-100% before the trip. If I need the car before I reach my charge target, I will unplug, run my errands & replug when I get home - no worries. Unlike an ICE car, I can sleep, eat & watch TV while I "fill up".
One day I will get off my rear & arrange for an electrician to install a 220v outlet so I can reduce my charge time, but it really hasn't affected me. I do enjoy not worrying about gas prices or thinking about having to visit a gas station to fill my tank.
As for the one time I had to use a supercharger (at a highway service center), I connected the car to the supercharger, used the restroom, then ordered my meal at A&W. By the time I had my meal (roughly 30 minutes later the restaurant was busy), I had already reached my charge target of 80%. I unplugged, ate my meal and continued my trip. If I had to fill my tank, it would have added 5-10 minutes to my travel time. Any real patience required was for waiting for the food.
Excellent example of how L1 charging can be plenty for many people. Thanks for sharing!
Great information! I just bought a Honda Prologue and am getting a similar rate of overnight charging using level 1. I typically drive about 10 miles per day so I’m hoping to use mostly level 1 with an occasional level 3 charge on/after a trip.
Thanks! It seems like L1 is the way to go for you. Prologue is a great car.
to avoid PTSD level 2 charger is must
Can definitely understand that
I commute 40 miles per day and on weekend my EV is not even used. On weekends we use my wife’s Lexus hybrid SUV 99% of the time since she doesn’t drive much on the weekdays. Level 1 is good enough on my Tesla MS……..but I do get free charging at work.
Do you mean RASD?
Yes! But do not allow the percentage of charge to go below 50%. Also, charge between the hours of 8:00pm to 8:00 am which should be enough for daily driving. I'm currently doing this until I get my panel upgrade and fast charger.
Good recs!
I always use L1 at home we city drivers so no need to L2 sounds hard to believe but that's our current situation. We love our MY21 ID.4
Similar situation for us. We do too!
I will eventually convert the welding plug in the garage to 14-50 which will allow Level 2 charging.
However, I find that I rarely don't have my target charge level by morning. I get some benefit from charging at work, so that reduces the total time needed to charge at home.
On the emergency trip in the middle of the night. I need less than 10% to get the hospital from my house, so this is a non-issue. Also, I have another car if there was ever a problem.
L2 is definitely helpful for hitting your target SOC, especially if you're a higher mileage driver. Thanks for sharing!
Depends on how much you drive, we put about 28k to 30k (miles) a year on our Teslas so its level 2 for us.
Exactly. You’re a prime candidate for L2.
Good video, if I had garage parking i would be able to get away with level 1 no problem, but in the winter at least 25% of my energy available for charging would probably be going to battery / cabin preheating. I share the garage with others though so i'm probably going to install a 20 amp 240v outlet. 3.5KW should be pretty good. Id go with a full 50 amp circuit since my charge location is within a foot of the main panel so wiring cost is negligible but I don't have the available capacity in my breaker panel for more than 25 amp max.
Communal garages do make things more complicated, but unless you drive high mileage everyday, 3.5kw should be quite good.
this has made me think as an Australian that 240V power is a lot better for this 2-3 Kw is often achievable.
the occasional DC top up may be useful
Higher voltage for L1 is a real boon. Agree with use of dcfc as needed
It looked like your panel was right next to your fancy hook. Adding L2 would be easy in that case. Even if you are renting, it might be a convenience.
@@LarsDennert thanks for the kind words about my hook. Haven’t needed L2 yet, but things may change.
Currently using level 1 in the UK (240v) which gives me about 2.2Kw per hour, waiting for my level 2 to be installed (about 7Kw). I think it depends on how you use your vehicle, if you drive quite a bit each day, level 1 will unlikely work, if your car is not in use for days, then level 1 could work (and save the purchase of a level 2 charger!)
Agreed! Curious, does the UK offer incentives for home installation of level 2?
@@goneelectric Sadly not, however, I've managed to get a good deal via the company I work for (known as salary sacrifice in which I pay for the charger before tax so I save a few quid(pounds!).
That’s helpful!
Bruh, you have the patience of Buddha.
On my Ioniq 6 with a 110 outlet it gave me 85 hours from 19% SoC.
There are limits to my patience.
I think L1 just happens to fit my lifestyle… the only thing I have in common with Buddha is a belly. Appreciate the comment!
Great video! Just got an Ioniq 5 and use the level 1 charger and it works great. I really don't drive that much so it's not an issue. What was raised as an issue on another video I watched was how much more expensive it is for electricity by using a Level 1 charger as opposed to level 2. Do you know anything about that?
Thanks! From what I understand, level 2 charging is more efficient (and potentially less expensive) than level 1 because level 1 provides 120 volts whereas level 2 provides 240 volts. Your car’s internal charger must convert the current from level 1 and 2, which in AC, to DC. This conversion takes place because EV batteries are formatted for DC. DC voltage is far higher than AC (i5 battery is 800volts). Your car’s charger has to match that high DC voltage while charging, and since Level 2 provides 240 volts, the gap is smaller between voltage supply and your car’s voltage. There are probably other things too, but that’s my limited understanding! Take into account the upfront costs of installing level 2 as well- I’ve heard it can get pricey.
I have the same car and charger and the efficiency isn't that different. Yeah 240 is a little more efficient, but you'd really have to pinch the pennies to notice. However, that's off peak power at 6.5 cents per kwh, so your mileage may vary.
Could I only use level one charging? Yes, I could, but I don't need or want to. My problem is they changed the cord that comes with the Leaf to a level two cord. The first time I needed it and I can't plug it in. I could plug in a 110v cord. Right now, I have a battery charger connected to the 12v battery under the hood. Thing is I don't know if ANY of this power will make it to the main battery, and I don't dare to try to get the car home. It is only a couple miles, but I don't want to need another tow. When I turn it on it says it needs a charge and would only work on reduced power. If it told me it has one percent I would be thrilled, because I would be sure I would get home where I have always done all of my charging. And there I have level 2.
I have both a etron and an ev6...and have been using level 1 charging continuously.
It can be done! Thanks for the watch!
I have a Hummer EV SUV. Level 1 is a waste of time. 1 mile per hour. Level 2 hardwire gets me about 18 miles per hour. Never used a public charger and hopefully never have to. Too much hassle. I get about 290 miles at 80%. More than adequate for daily use.
Agree- you have an easy case for installing L2
It looks like you have a washer and dryer in the garage. You could just plug into the dryer outlet and use it for level 2 charging
Unfortunately, these units use 120v outlets!
@@goneelectric gas dryer? Or heat pump? Anyway, I charge on 110V as well, at 12 amps
I thought using my dryer as well, but the plug ins are different. Smh 😐
I think you drive an ID ... they are good. I get by with level 1 and my town gives me free charging on level 2. so i get back. I am on a low tarif for the electricity so it only costs me about 3.50 euros for 150km so i am pretty happy. I have been told its ok to do 100% but you need to use the vehicle as soon as it has been charged. 95% to 100% seems to take an eternity so i regularly charge to 90%. I noticed with the ID vehicles performance wise they work better when the battery is above 80%. But the car between 20% to 80% is fast enough for me. I am just after comfort, security and to have a non tech car that my partner can drive. She cant stand tech.
Wow, free level 2 is unheard of where we live. Even my place of work charges a high price for it! I don't notice a difference in performance in my ID's performance until I'm below 65% or so. It's a great car!
I drive 28km everyday. That’s pretty much my routine. If my car is “fully” charged and I only top it off at night with a level 1 charger. Would I be ok? That’s my question. Road trips are road trips, they are rare and I would plan ahead.
Based on level 1 charging in the US (120 volt, as depicted in this video), you’d be ‘mostly’ covered with overnight L1. As you point out, road trips or longer commutes will occasionally necessitate DCFC or L2.
I think you could survive if you don't drive much. But with the incentives from the Fed and State and Xcel (power companies), you can get a lot of money back in rebates and such for the electrical installation and the charger itself. So it makes it worth it. They may go away at some point so why wait. Take advantage of them while you can.
Agreed. To those thinking they want/need L2, it’s definitely advisable to get it done soon.
I was using Level One charging for the first few weeks, and then I couldn't take it anymore. It didn't have to do with the amount I was driving each day it was just the aggravation of knowing it was charging up so slow so I installed a 240-volt outlet and bought a relatively inexpensive level 2 charing cable that matched the speed of the charger in my vehicle and things are a lot better now. Question using level 2 wouldn't you still use the same amount of electricity as level 1 it just gets pumped in faster?
Understandable- I try not to think about how slowly it's charging. Yes, it'd be the same amount of electricity, just supplied faster.
At first I was all ready to install a l2 but l1 is working so why bother. I have fast chargers in the area if needed.
Our situation is similar.
Stupid question- will you pay less for the electric bill if you go with a L2 from a L1?
@@eveanddell Typically, it is cheaper to charge with L2 than L1, since voltage for L2 (~240v) is closer to your car’s battery voltage. In essence it’s more efficient. Just have to balance that with installation costs for L2, which can vary quite a bit based on several factors. A few folks in the comments for this video have shared how much it cost for them.
Level one charging is so much better for your battery in the long run then level two if it works for you
L2 charging is essentially the same as L1 in terms of battery wear. It is L3 DC fast charging that is hard on the battery, although even then it’s not as bad as it is often made out to be. Charging beyond the 10-80% range is harder on the battery. We’ve been charging exclusively on an L2 for 2.5 years, and the battery capacity hasn’t changed. Being able to fully charge in 10 hours instead of 36 is hugely important for us, as our daily trips tends to be fairly lengthy.
How much $ has your home electrical bill gone up since charging at home?
Future video about that coming up.
Looking forward to it!
My bill goes up $150 a month. My previous gasoline bill was $900 a month. I drive over 200 miles a day.
Can someone go into the cheapest way to get a 60 AMP 220 circuit into a residence ? The 2022 Chevy Bolts can take advantage of a 60 AMP circuit which can fully charge
from empty to 100% in apx 7 hours, but others have said it's rare for even modern homes to have this type of circuit AMPS:
Why do most charging times and videos talk about 20-80% and not 100%?
My man! Great question- most (but not all) EV manufacturers recommend keeping the battery between 20-80% SOC for the long term health of the battery.
Going to 90% and even 95% has been shown to be fairly safe in studies, but definitely avoid the 95% to 100% charging or letting it fall below 10% to reduce battery degradation.
Besides battery health, fast charging that last 20% takes much much longer than say 30 to 50%, and you wouldn't do that on a road trip unless in a pinch.
As I understand it, charging to 100% just before a trip is not that damaging. Letting the car sit for many hours at 100% is what is concerning.
Exception: if your car has lfp batteries, you can charge to 100% with much less concern.
Lipo batteries are happiy at 80%. Charging to 100% will degrade your battery over time.
To answer your question. NO. Like filling a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
Fantastic imagery
This is the issue with electric. I got quoted $8k to upgrade to L2. I drive 20k miles a year so level 1 would be constant ly charging my car and using superchargers. Totally inconvenient. This needs to be figured out for townhome owners.
Agreed. My folks had a similar issue- they live in a condo and the HOA rejected installation of L2 in their communal parking garage due to the cost and apparent complication (old and lacking electrical infrastructure). Ironically, a nearby condo building installed L2 for every parking space in their communal garage
Really? Your car displays 200 miles and you drive 10 miles and then it displays 190 miles range left?
Level 1 😂 what if you have to go to the hospital in the middle of the night
Maintaining a SOC of at least 50% is critical for emergencies, which means some folks may not be able to subsist on L1 alone, or at all.
Saw 999 subcribers and just make you 1K LOL
King among men!
Why would you want to unless you just like paying 10% more for the same power and take five times longer to get it.
Not sure it’s a matter of wanting to; some folks just can’t install L2.
I ran into a guy today in the strip mall parking lot and he was charging his EV. I asked him how long does it take to get a full charge. He said, it takes about 30 minutes I came out of the stores an hour later, and he was still charging. His range was only about 200 miles as he ran the AC and a stereo system. BIG DEAL.!. One day he will go on a cross county journey and end up stuck in inner city Detroit.
I’ve actually got a video showing how long it can take. It can be annoying if you rely solely on public charging instead of home charging. And you’ve got to be prepared for those road trips!
Insanity! 😂LOL😂
Can’t believe I watched this entire video, doesn’t even make sense to leave a car charging for a few days
No
If you have the money for that car, you should be able to afford another grand to make the car more useful. Not having a go at you, just curious.
Not about the money. It depends on what you need and lifestyle. I paid almost $90k cash on my model S and I regret wasting $1500 on a L2 charging at home. I don’t need fast charging as my commute is only 40 miles per day and I get free charging at work. We just bought a new Lexus hybrid SUV and it s a much better solution on longer family trips. Now if I have 2 EVs at home the L2 is definitely worth it. But wife doesn’t want an EV and I am ok with that.
Exactly. As depicted in the video, it depends on need, which will differ by the individual.
@@goneelectric Yep, I could have use that $1500 L2 home charger expense and spend it on occasional Supercharger. I have had the MS for 2 years and I supercharged probably 4-5 times only. Honestly if I didn’t have the L2 at home it wouldn’t change my life one bit. Even if I don’t have free charging at home, I do just fine.
Very pathetic.....
No one asked what your father thought of you:)
How about all these EV "FANBOYS" doing an real indepth video review of EV after 5 years .
There are tons of those videos all over RUclips.
How about all these EV "HATERS" actual looking at the data? My EV has 120,000 miles and still drives like new with the original brakes and battery with over 95% of the original capacity.