I greatly appreciate your reviews and these summary reviews! When I bought an EV I did a bunch of research on all the various car options out there, and there was a variety of sources of reviews... some seemingly more or less objective than others. But, when searching for an EV charger... oof... not a lot of reviewers... and not a lot of trust in the depth, quality, or impartiality of the reviews... except for your channel! You are willing to both sing the praises of a charger's good qualities and rail against the bad qualities. And, for the truly skeptical, it's not like we have to just take your opinion. Your videos show the tests and showcase all the evidence for anyone to draw their own conclusions if they have a different takeaway. Such a high quality and respectable channel. Thanks for all your research and reviews!
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I got a portable 220V 10A charger with my second-hand id 4 purchase . Do you know if i need a surge protector or a volt regulator to protect the car , in case of blackouts, etc, while i am sleeping? Highly appreciate your help .
@@AhooooooooIt's not necessary to have. EV chargers come with various protection features to ensure the safety of both the user and the vehicle, as well as to protect the charger itself from damage. These protections are crucial for preventing electrical hazards, maintaining charger efficiency, and extending the lifespan of the charger. Here are some common protection features: Overcurrent Protection, Overvoltage and Undervoltage Protection, Ground Fault Protection, Overtemperature Protection and Communication and Monitoring.
@ApexChargerOfficial Thank you for answering. I was asking because i don't have a wall unit . I am only using a portable charger that does 13A . So, I just assumed it would give less protection.
@@Ahoooooooo I understand. I would also recommend checking the manual of your portable charger for information about protection, just to be on the safe side. ☺
I did exactly what you’re recommending this time last year. Ended up with the Charge Point Home Flex that I ordered with the NEMA wall plug. Home was built with the 50A car outlet I ordered at the garage door opening to be able to charge any visitors that stop by based on you noting often the maximum cable length. I never wanted for more speed but if I were scheduling two EV’s to improvise power sharing I would set them each up on 70A breakers to max out the rate in the given time. Love that with a coin I can pop the cover and swap the plug to match our next EV. Thanks for your service to all of us Tom. 💯👍🏼 35:12
Got my Autel MaxiCharger Lite for $400 on sale on Amazon (plus $250 rebate from my electric utility) and have been very happy with it. In addition to being able to use NFC cards/tags to activate it, you can export a spreadsheet will all of the charging session data including who activated it, how much power was delivered, etc. Great for shared usage.
I bought mine an sale on amazon for 450 or something - in blue to match my car - but havent installed it yet. Mostly waiting on my handy man to install a post for it. Looking forward to using it!
We've had the base (non smart) Grizzl-E charge station for over two years now and am very happy with it so far. We use it for both my EV6 and my wife's Tucson PHEV (no problem figuring out who can use it when). Our initial install was with a NEMA 14-50R, but the electrician used a cheap Home Depot residential grade receptacle and it failed. As such, it's now hard wired, which is what I wish we had done to begin with. If you install a level 2 charge station, PLEASE make sure your electrician uses the proper materials for the install, and take a hard look at hard wiring it vs. using a receptacle. I'm not convinced that a smart charge station is really necessary, as you can use your car's app to monitor your state of charge, and I typically charge over night. I just don't see the need to spend extra on being "connected" with a "smart" option...
i bought eviqo because of your review and love it. and im changing charge rate all the time because i dont have to charge at 40 amps, most of the time its 20 to 30 amps
@@mowcowbellI love the UMC but I really want a dual voltage 40 Amp instead of 32 amps and I haven't decided which one is best. I hope Tom helps in this category.
Thanks for everything that you do Tom! I bought a used Polestar 2 in January and through your reviews (and a discount from my utility company out here in Arizona) I got a great deal on a Wallbox Pulsar Plus 40amp. Also used Qmerit to assist with installing a more robust nema 14-50 outlet
Purchased the EVIQO because of your review. I've had it for 4 weeks and love it. The app and scheduling abilities with cost estimates are great. It is a great unit. Thanks for reviewing it!
I ordered the Wallbox Pulsar Plus from Costco for $499.99 about a week ago. I'm having it installed inside the garage. Based on the price I paid, the Wallbox Pulsar Plus gets 96 points not the 94. I realize this review is a few months old but I'm very hopeful that this charger will give me years of reliable service. Thank you so much for the detailed review and scorecards. Very helpful.
Thanks you your reviews, I purchased the Tesla Universal Wall Charger. It's the most future proof EVSE on the market. With more and more manufacturers changing to NACS, it made the most sense. Works great with our Polestar. Thank you.
I noticed that you linked to all the chargers on Amazon except the EVIQO model. I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's listed on Amazon, so maybe you should update the link.
My Autel app will let me set up power sharing without any additional hardware, though it looks like you do need additional hardware if you want it to load balance based on other loads in your home. But if you just want to load share multiple Autel EVSEs, I think no extra hardware is needed.
Can u give recommendation for dumb (without Wifi or app) 48 Amp home charger? I highly prefer charger NOT connected to my home Wifi for security reason.
I just found your channel and appreciate the information. We just purchased an EV and are about to install a garage connection. We currently have a 30 amp, 220 volt hook-up in our garage that was previously installed for a whole house portable generator. Can this 30 amp wiring connection which goes to our electrical panel be used for one of these chargers if we removed the 30 amp plug and hard wired the charger? Thanks,LV
Thank yo SO very much for all of your comprehensive reviews. I just purchased a Taycan and the first thing I did was to watch your charging video for that vehicle. I wanted to ask, is the Porsche Mobile Charger Connect a good one and how does it compare with these options you have provided?? Many folks have recommended getting a different Level 2 charger, but I would like to stay with the Porsche OEM stuff if possible. Any recommendations on if there is a strong reason to switch to a third party solution?
Not worried about the cost but my ChargePoint gets to hot here in Arizona, and throttles my charge speed on my Rivian R1S to 10miles per hour…. Who should I switch to? I want fast!!! I have 50amp breaker with 4gauge wire… please give me 2 options!!!!???
There was a Magicdock supercharger station in Cedar park Texas that just disabled the magicdocks but, you can still use your adaptor to charge. This station hasn't be open all that long about eight weeks. I had charged here with my Bolt about four times. No warning that the magicdocks would be disabled.
Love watching your Ford video’s! Just purchased a Mach E Premium almost 2 weeks ago and I love it far more than I imagined I would! Went with Premium since it’s my first EV and it fits my needs for mostly around town driving. Maybe in a few years I will upgrade to the GT or maybe Rally, I absolutely love the look of the Rally.
How noticeable do you think 48 amps vs 50 amps would be? I have a chargepoint home flex and am getting it installed my an electrician this week. I already have an open 60 amp breaker in my panel so I opted to just use that and run it at 48 amps. Would it be worth it to spring for a new breaker to get that extra 2 amps? The other problem is I would need a 65 amp breaker which I can't find, only 70 amp
Tom, will any of the chargers reviewed perform billing and manage multiple users as needed in condos, HOAs, & apartments? Juicebox Pro is the only one I know at a reasonable price, but its software is unfriendly for the operator.
I have a 4xe and a grizzle charger, works great. I got the charger in 2021. while I thought getting the heavy duty cable was smart, it's a pain to handle and roll up now that I'm using it all the time (went full EV). I now want something with the flexible cable, is ChargePoint the number one in flexibility, and what would be number 2?
Chargepoint really needs to lengthen that 10inch NEMA 14-50 pigtail plug end. Make it 2 feet so we are not fighting the installation. Heck, the studs are 24 inches apart. Would you be able to include the length of the wall plug end in your review? It would really help.
I bought wallbox 3 months ago the last month my box does not working properly, the wallbox does not have costumer support , now I am stuck with broken box €1300 please take the wallbox of your self thanks
Just installed the Tesla Universal Connector last week. Agree with the app comments. I have a Tesla currently and feel like I am managing more of the charging settings at the car level, rather than the charger level. Chose it for the flexibility, being able to help my neighbors with J1772 port cars, and if we get a used EV down the road with J1772. So far so good! Coming off of that 110 life, so it’s great to be able to be back on scheduled charging. Thank you, Tom! Love all these options we are getting!
@@danielam3829 yeah it’d be perfect for that! And they really did a great job with how well the J1772 adapter is integrated into the unit and is able to be used. The locking clip on the adapter that Tom seems to be worried about is metal on mine, so maybe it was plastic on the version Tom has and they’ve now made it metal after feedback from users?
@@James_Greene out of curiosity did you go through a Tesla certified installer found on the Tesla website, use Qmerit (Tom’s sponsor), or other solution for your install?
Tom you need to add plug temperature sensor, my Juice box died (contactor fused closed), so I opened up my Bosch EV charger 30 amp and it has a temperature sensor in the NEMA 6-50P plug, that would eliminate issues on socket overheating that has caused so many issues you have noticed!
Picked up our 1st EV last night. We need a level 2 charger for the house, is there one you can recommend that we can plug into our 50amp RV plug until we get an electrician to install something.
I picked up a home flex yesterday on Amazon for $494 on a sale. Honestly couldn’t believe the find. I used to be like ehh ChargePoint, but as I’ve driven my EV more I’ve learned they’re quite reliable. They may not all be the fastest but they generally always work. Being able to add NACS later was also nice.
I'm on my third HomeFlex. I got my first in April of 2022. The WiFi module failed in the first two. ChargePoint was good about sending the replacements. I have a plug in version and handy enough to change out the unit myself. Otherwise it's a nice L2 EVSE
Hi Tom, appreciate your input and information. I just purchased the Autel Maxicharger Lite 50 amp and my Ford pass app turns off the charge before the Autel does. Ford pass says charge complete but Autel app says charge suspended. Any thoughts why this could be happening? Thank you.
Sadly, I’m a Enel X Juicebox owner. It’s installed outdoors with a NEMA 14-50 plug. I’m looking for a replacement charger I can mount and plug in to the current outlet. My concern is that the juicebox came with a 2 foot plug cable which just reaches the outlet enclosure. A shorter cable won’t reach. None of the units I am researching state how long the plug cable is. Shorter than 2 feet means i will have to do some expensive rewiring. Can an installer replace a short plug cable on any of the recommended units? Or some other solution?
Thanks for this video, Tom. Your EVSE reviews contain a lot of useful information, which is invaluable for EV owners. The HomeFlex charger that I bought ~2 years ago, based on your recommendation, is still working like a champ. Thanks again!
Tom, Love the videos. When you reviewing these charger, can you also please comment on which one has a built in GFI/GFCI and does not require the breaker with GFI/GFCI feature.
I bought the 40 amp rated ClipperCreek charger seven years ago with hardwired junction box. I didn’t want to deal with any issues with 14-50 outlets. It is a dumb, non-Wi-Fi connected charge station and therefore nothing to become obsolete or break. I’m completely happy with it.
You mentioned the Grizzly had a negative feature of only being capable of 40 amps instead of the other brands 48 amps. You should note that all the other chargers are rated at only 40 amps when plugged in with a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps requires hardwiring. Grizzl-e markets as plug-in convenient so the are honest stating 40 amps. The others have fine print of ‘48 amps when hardwiring’.
Just out of curiosity, how much should I expect to have a charger hardwired in my garage with an existing Nema 14-50 and appears to have been wired for 100A (all new construction). I expect it shouldn't be that expensive since it should be a quick install, but I have no idea if a quote may be overcharging for what I believe is a quick install.
More of a question. I am charging an F150 truck, with an 80 amp Ford Pro charger. Set for full power, but not getting that to the battery per the Ford Pass app. Does the truck reduce or regulate the power going in from a level two charger?
This is a fabulous review. Thank you. My Leviton 40amp charger died last week (the circuitry inside looked fried). I used this video to confidently order my new unit (ChargePoint Home Flex).
So the Rivian charger I ordered with my Gen2 R1T, at $800, is a dubious purchase. I’m new in the EV world, and like most things in life, you learn truth the hard way.
I am a newby to EV chargers and your video was by far the most informative and best video I have watched so far. Well done. Being from Canada, I was interested in the Grizzle unit but read a lot of reviews that complained about the glitchy app and the stiff cable, especially in our cold winter temperatures. I was also very interested in the Emporia unit, and your review confirmed my interest in it. But unfortunately, just another unit with a very stiff cable. Its good to hear that the manufacturers are addressing these issues, but when will the upgrades be available!! I will continue to monitor your site for updates. Thanks for the thorough test results.
We would like to install a charger at our VRBO rental property, but we do not want charging to be available to the general public. Ideally, we would like to restrict it to people staying at our property. Do any of these chargers have this capability?
When you talk about cable performance, for example, the Grizzl-e, does that just mean it becomes stiff or the actual flow of electricity is impeded by cold weather?
This is the one I need to see Tom! I hope there is one that can tell me how much money we spend a year charging. But I’ll probably have to calculate it.
I'm not impressed with Grizzl-e's warranty policy. The strain relief failed on my unit and they told me it was not covered under warranty because "Per our policy, we are able to send replacements and replacement parts for defective units and parts. However, the cable that you received was fully functional without wear and tear. Therefore unfortunately the cable would not fall under warranty." So what exactly does the warranty cover? I question what you'd get paying extra for a 5 year warranty.
Question What EV charging brand allows me to set the amount of Percentage charge. Allow me to stop charging at 80% full. My plugin hybrid does not allow me to set any setting of a % charge Thank you RB
I’m an app skeptic (and I personalize your scoring system by removing points for Alexa) and would love to see a discussion of how various equipment functions without internet
Great overview, thank for all your work that went into this presentation. I currently have a Juicebox, and love it, however with the fact EnelX pulling out of the US soon I worry about it's capabilities once it is not supported here. I realize it could perform as a "dumb" charging unit but believe it may be time to search for a new unit that can have more connectivity.
Great information, and really like the way you break it down into categories to help make an informed decision. Any chance you are going to review the new Apex Charger Mach II? Looks like a great deal at only 350.00.
Our home only has a 100 Amp Panel. Are we safe to level 2 charge if we adjust the unit to a lower amperage and if so what Amp is recommended to safely use? Alsp, what are the increments they usually adjust at. Thank you to anyone who can respond!
Great video Tom, I apprecaite all the information. I just recently got a tesla and I am looking at the best home charger and leaning toward the Chargepoint. I also live in North NJ and wanted to see if you know of any rebates the state provides. I checked JCPL and it looks like all the funds were used. Thanks again for the great video.
Hi: These reviews are excellent. In the ChargerRater system for the Charge Point Flex - The Access Control category shows point charge of 3, 2 and 0, but you've given the category a 1. I'm going to assume that the Access control is "In App" and that the value for it should be 1 point??
QQ. In the USA what percentage of people have the opportunity for home charging? I’m in the UK and having off street parking home charging our two EVs means I rarely need to use a public charger.
I just bought a Range Rover sport which has both J1772 and NACS plugs built in. I want to go with the NACS wired option. Which one would you recommend ? Thanks for the reviews.
Interesting most operating temperatures only go down to -30 Celcius (except the Autel which has a bad cold weather cable?)... Was thinking of getting an EV but our weather here in Northern Canada gets below -40... not sure there are any chargers that work outside below -40 well?
As a professional computer person, smart devices are usually a really bad idea. Why were all of the chargers smart chargers? What's the best option for a not-connected charger?
Another great point on the Tesla Universal, its bidirectional. So as PowerShare becomes available beyond just the CyberTruck, if you have Tesla Solar/Powerwalls already, your good to go pretty much to feed your microgram from you car/truck. A no brainer if you have a Tesla system, and a Tesla.
My 2018 tesla came with the mobile connector at not extra cost. I can charge at 32 amps which is enough for me. 6+ years later, it is still working great even with charging two separate Tesla vehicles since 2021.
I'm looking to install a level 2 EV charger at my home but it has to be outside. Are there any outdoor covers that can lock, so only I can have access to the charger?
I had an Emporia EVSE I bought in April of 2022. After an OTA on my Mustang Mach-E (MME) I started getting charger errors at the end of a charge once or twice a week. Turns out the Emporia was sometimes taking over 3 seconds to stop sending power when commanded by the MME, which caused the MME to fault and lockout the J1772 port until the J1772 was unplug and then plugged back in. I was already somewhat annoyed that during the winter when I remote started to warm the car up, that I would have to wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the J1772 release to unplug so I wasn't unplugging under load. Does the new Emporia still have the timing issue?
Thanks for the review... I am looking to horizontally install a EV Charger in the ceiling of my garage. I had my electrician rough in my 220 to the center of my double tandem during the build of my house. I was planning on using the EvoCharge cable management reel (but turns out it is limited to 24amps - cable size) so, I'll have to figure out some other way of managing the cable. Is there any reason why a EV Charger can't be horizontally installed? Are you aware of Chargers that are certified for horizontal installation?
Wondering if there is any longer term data on when the ChargePoint fails. ChargePoint is saying mine is now failed and needs to be replace less than three weeks after the warranty expired. Anecdotally I've seen at least one other story of a ChargePoint failing just after the warranty expired.
Question. For the chargers that are 50 amp capable, do you have to hook that up to a 70 amp? Is that really worth it for an extra 2 amps of delivered power from one of the 48 amp units?
Hi Tom, did you ever tested the Emporia or ChargePoint charger's for power interruption as you did for Topdon PulseQ charger (posted last year)? Do they automatically resume charging after power interruption while charging?
Great honest review Tom of the various chargers that are available for electric vehicles. One thing that I would ask that you lobby Tesla for is the availability of an 240V 80/100 amp charger. The reasons for this are that as battery sizes are becoming bigger and the super off peak mains electricity price periods are remaining the same, an 80/100 amp/hour charger would be a really useful upgrade from the current 48 amp.
Tom, based on a user suggestion, Elon promised to update the software of the Tesla home charger enabling the user to set a time when the car needed to be done charging. Like I put in for charging to be done by 8am, etc. Is there an independent charger working on something like this? Or does one already exist?
I greatly appreciate your reviews and these summary reviews! When I bought an EV I did a bunch of research on all the various car options out there, and there was a variety of sources of reviews... some seemingly more or less objective than others. But, when searching for an EV charger... oof... not a lot of reviewers... and not a lot of trust in the depth, quality, or impartiality of the reviews... except for your channel! You are willing to both sing the praises of a charger's good qualities and rail against the bad qualities. And, for the truly skeptical, it's not like we have to just take your opinion. Your videos show the tests and showcase all the evidence for anyone to draw their own conclusions if they have a different takeaway. Such a high quality and respectable channel. Thanks for all your research and reviews!
Thank you!
@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
I got a portable 220V 10A charger with my second-hand id 4 purchase .
Do you know if i need a surge protector or a volt regulator to protect the car , in case of blackouts, etc, while i am sleeping?
Highly appreciate your help .
@@AhooooooooIt's not necessary to have. EV chargers come with various protection features to ensure the safety of both the user and the vehicle, as well as to protect the charger itself from damage. These protections are crucial for preventing electrical hazards, maintaining charger efficiency, and extending the lifespan of the charger. Here are some common protection features: Overcurrent Protection, Overvoltage and Undervoltage Protection, Ground Fault Protection, Overtemperature Protection and Communication and Monitoring.
@ApexChargerOfficial
Thank you for answering.
I was asking because i don't have a wall unit .
I am only using a portable charger that does 13A . So, I just assumed it would give less protection.
@@Ahoooooooo I understand. I would also recommend checking the manual of your portable charger for information about protection, just to be on the safe side. ☺
The Emporia was one of the most confident purchases I've ever made thanks to your channel.
same here and is 100% why I went with Emporia.
Do you know if the emporia is compatible with home assistant?
I bought the Chargepoint Home Flex because of your testing and because I'm in Canada, the flexible cable was a key feature I wanted.
I did exactly what you’re recommending this time last year. Ended up with the Charge Point Home Flex that I ordered with the NEMA wall plug. Home was built with the 50A car outlet I ordered at the garage door opening to be able to charge any visitors that stop by based on you noting often the maximum cable length. I never wanted for more speed but if I were scheduling two EV’s to improvise power sharing I would set them each up on 70A breakers to max out the rate in the given time. Love that with a coin I can pop the cover and swap the plug to match our next EV. Thanks for your service to all of us Tom. 💯👍🏼 35:12
Got my Autel MaxiCharger Lite for $400 on sale on Amazon (plus $250 rebate from my electric utility) and have been very happy with it. In addition to being able to use NFC cards/tags to activate it, you can export a spreadsheet will all of the charging session data including who activated it, how much power was delivered, etc. Great for shared usage.
I bought mine an sale on amazon for 450 or something - in blue to match my car - but havent installed it yet. Mostly waiting on my handy man to install a post for it. Looking forward to using it!
We've had the base (non smart) Grizzl-E charge station for over two years now and am very happy with it so far. We use it for both my EV6 and my wife's Tucson PHEV (no problem figuring out who can use it when). Our initial install was with a NEMA 14-50R, but the electrician used a cheap Home Depot residential grade receptacle and it failed. As such, it's now hard wired, which is what I wish we had done to begin with. If you install a level 2 charge station, PLEASE make sure your electrician uses the proper materials for the install, and take a hard look at hard wiring it vs. using a receptacle.
I'm not convinced that a smart charge station is really necessary, as you can use your car's app to monitor your state of charge, and I typically charge over night. I just don't see the need to spend extra on being "connected" with a "smart" option...
How do you check if your NEMA 14-50R is cheap or not?
What would you recommend for a portable L2 charger?
Thanks!
i bought eviqo because of your review and love it. and im changing charge rate all the time because i dont have to charge at 40 amps, most of the time its 20 to 30 amps
I bought the emporia 48 based on your review. I couldn't be happier. Gr8 vid as usual, sir. 🚗🇺🇲🔌⚡
Are you able to schedule charging and preconditioning through the car? If that’s so, what’s the point of a smart charger?
Will there be a list for portable chargers?
Yeah, but not soon, unfortunately
That's easy Best mobile charger is a Tesla mobile connector.
@@mowcowbellI love the UMC but I really want a dual voltage 40 Amp instead of 32 amps and I haven't decided which one is best. I hope Tom helps in this category.
Thanks for everything that you do Tom! I bought a used Polestar 2 in January and through your reviews (and a discount from my utility company out here in Arizona) I got a great deal on a Wallbox Pulsar Plus 40amp. Also used Qmerit to assist with installing a more robust nema 14-50 outlet
Purchased the EVIQO because of your review. I've had it for 4 weeks and love it. The app and scheduling abilities with cost estimates are great. It is a great unit. Thanks for reviewing it!
Is there a home charger out there that doesn’t require WiFi to operate? Basically a plug and play. Preferably 50/60 amp.
On the Emporia upgrading the holster and cabling, how will we know when they've done that? We're looking to buy something soon.
I ordered the Wallbox Pulsar Plus from Costco for $499.99 about a week ago. I'm having it installed inside the garage. Based on the price I paid, the Wallbox Pulsar Plus gets 96 points not the 94. I realize this review is a few months old but I'm very hopeful that this charger will give me years of reliable service. Thank you so much for the detailed review and scorecards. Very helpful.
Thanks for a nice and detailed 'hardware-level' review. Next time, I wish you also had a comparison for the software capabilities of each charger.
Thanks you your reviews, I purchased the Tesla Universal Wall Charger. It's the most future proof EVSE on the market. With more and more manufacturers changing to NACS, it made the most sense. Works great with our Polestar. Thank you.
I bought the Emporia way before this b
Video was out, but I completly agree with the review. Absolutely no problems for.well over a year.
I am impressed by the rigorous practical effort demonstrated in testing the EV charging devices. Thank you so much! ❤💯👏🏿👍🏿🎶
I noticed that you linked to all the chargers on Amazon except the EVIQO model. I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's listed on Amazon, so maybe you should update the link.
Autel told me the power sharing only works with a power sharing monitor that has to be purchased separately. That adds an addition $100.00 plus cost.
My Autel app will let me set up power sharing without any additional hardware, though it looks like you do need additional hardware if you want it to load balance based on other loads in your home. But if you just want to load share multiple Autel EVSEs, I think no extra hardware is needed.
@@WarpedFlayme Thanks, I will re-check with them.
Can u give recommendation for dumb (without Wifi or app) 48 Amp home charger? I highly prefer charger NOT connected to my home Wifi for security reason.
I just found your channel and appreciate the information. We just purchased an EV and are about to install a garage connection. We currently have a 30 amp, 220 volt hook-up in our garage that was previously installed for a whole house portable generator. Can this 30 amp wiring connection which goes to our electrical panel be used for one of these chargers if we removed the 30 amp plug and hard wired the charger? Thanks,LV
Thank yo SO very much for all of your comprehensive reviews. I just purchased a Taycan and the first thing I did was to watch your charging video for that vehicle. I wanted to ask, is the Porsche Mobile Charger Connect a good one and how does it compare with these options you have provided?? Many folks have recommended getting a different Level 2 charger, but I would like to stay with the Porsche OEM stuff if possible. Any recommendations on if there is a strong reason to switch to a third party solution?
Thank you Tom amazing content and reviews and awesome overviews of these home EV chargers :)
Not worried about the cost but my ChargePoint gets to hot here in Arizona, and throttles my charge speed on my Rivian R1S to 10miles per hour…. Who should I switch to? I want fast!!! I have 50amp breaker with 4gauge wire… please give me 2 options!!!!???
Thanks for the video. Went with Autel one today to take advantage of their 30% off Christmas model! What a deal!
There was a Magicdock supercharger station in Cedar park Texas that just disabled the magicdocks but, you can still use your adaptor to charge. This station hasn't be open all that long about eight weeks. I had charged here with my Bolt about four times. No warning that the magicdocks would be disabled.
Great Stuff as usual. I was wondering about the Wolfbox EV charger. Is it any good?
Love watching your Ford video’s! Just purchased a Mach E Premium almost 2 weeks ago and I love it far more than I imagined I would! Went with Premium since it’s my first EV and it fits my needs for mostly around town driving. Maybe in a few years I will upgrade to the GT or maybe Rally, I absolutely love the look of the Rally.
How noticeable do you think 48 amps vs 50 amps would be? I have a chargepoint home flex and am getting it installed my an electrician this week. I already have an open 60 amp breaker in my panel so I opted to just use that and run it at 48 amps. Would it be worth it to spring for a new breaker to get that extra 2 amps? The other problem is I would need a 65 amp breaker which I can't find, only 70 amp
I’ve had the original Emporia for years and it’s still a strong choice - the upgrades with load sharing are even more impressive
Tom, will any of the chargers reviewed perform billing and manage multiple users as needed in condos, HOAs, & apartments? Juicebox Pro is the only one I know at a reasonable price, but its software is unfriendly for the operator.
I have a 4xe and a grizzle charger, works great. I got the charger in 2021. while I thought getting the heavy duty cable was smart, it's a pain to handle and roll up now that I'm using it all the time (went full EV). I now want something with the flexible cable, is ChargePoint the number one in flexibility, and what would be number 2?
Chargepoint really needs to lengthen that 10inch NEMA 14-50 pigtail plug end. Make it 2 feet so we are not fighting the installation. Heck, the studs are 24 inches apart. Would you be able to include the length of the wall plug end in your review? It would really help.
I bought wallbox 3 months ago the last month my box does not working properly, the wallbox does not have costumer support , now I am stuck with broken box €1300 please take the wallbox of your self thanks
Just installed the Tesla Universal Connector last week. Agree with the app comments. I have a Tesla currently and feel like I am managing more of the charging settings at the car level, rather than the charger level. Chose it for the flexibility, being able to help my neighbors with J1772 port cars, and if we get a used EV down the road with J1772. So far so good! Coming off of that 110 life, so it’s great to be able to be back on scheduled charging. Thank you, Tom! Love all these options we are getting!
Thanks for commenting. I was considering this since we have a Tesla and a Rivian.
@@danielam3829 yeah it’d be perfect for that! And they really did a great job with how well the J1772 adapter is integrated into the unit and is able to be used. The locking clip on the adapter that Tom seems to be worried about is metal on mine, so maybe it was plastic on the version Tom has and they’ve now made it metal after feedback from users?
@@James_Greene oh that’s great to know.
@@James_Greene out of curiosity did you go through a Tesla certified installer found on the Tesla website, use Qmerit (Tom’s sponsor), or other solution for your install?
Can you recommend a nema 6-20 charger … I have a Tesla but changing to a new car but trying find something to replace it
Tom you need to add plug temperature sensor, my Juice box died (contactor fused closed), so I opened up my Bosch EV charger 30 amp and it has a temperature sensor in the NEMA 6-50P plug, that would eliminate issues on socket overheating that has caused so many issues you have noticed!
Picked up our 1st EV last night. We need a level 2 charger for the house, is there one you can recommend that we can plug into our 50amp RV plug until we get an electrician to install something.
Which units should I consider for an exterior cold climate installation? Is the Grizzl-E the only one to consider?
I picked up a home flex yesterday on Amazon for $494 on a sale. Honestly couldn’t believe the find. I used to be like ehh ChargePoint, but as I’ve driven my EV more I’ve learned they’re quite reliable. They may not all be the fastest but they generally always work. Being able to add NACS later was also nice.
@stateofcharger you mention it is not power share capable but your score board shows it is 7:08. Points should be 98 then.
I'm on my third HomeFlex. I got my first in April of 2022. The WiFi module failed in the first two. ChargePoint was good about sending the replacements. I have a plug in version and handy enough to change out the unit myself. Otherwise it's a nice L2 EVSE
@@Trotter152 yeah I hear that’s a problem. I have no WiFi and don’t care about the data so maybe it’ll live
Thanks for theses reviews
Hello Tom, how can I set up my taycan to power my house during a power outage? v2l
Thanks
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Hi Tom, appreciate your input and information. I just purchased the Autel Maxicharger Lite 50 amp and my Ford pass app turns off the charge before the Autel does. Ford pass says charge complete but Autel app says charge suspended. Any thoughts why this could be happening? Thank you.
Sadly, I’m a Enel X Juicebox owner. It’s installed outdoors with a NEMA 14-50 plug. I’m looking for a replacement charger I can mount and plug in to the current outlet. My concern is that the juicebox came with a 2 foot plug cable which just reaches the outlet enclosure. A shorter cable won’t reach. None of the units I am researching state how long the plug cable is. Shorter than 2 feet means i will have to do some expensive rewiring. Can an installer replace a short plug cable on any of the recommended units? Or some other solution?
Thanks for this video, Tom. Your EVSE reviews contain a lot of useful information, which is invaluable for EV owners. The HomeFlex charger that I bought ~2 years ago, based on your recommendation, is still working like a champ. Thanks again!
How good is the GMC Level 2 Power up charger for there vehicles? It is 80 amps.
Tom, Love the videos. When you reviewing these charger, can you also please comment on which one has a built in GFI/GFCI and does not require the breaker with GFI/GFCI feature.
would love to see review of existing and upcoming bidirectional EV charger (V2H)
What charges with a 30ft or longer cable are on the market?
I bought the 40 amp rated ClipperCreek charger seven years ago with hardwired junction box. I didn’t want to deal with any issues with 14-50 outlets. It is a dumb, non-Wi-Fi connected charge station and therefore nothing to become obsolete or break. I’m completely happy with it.
You mentioned the Grizzly had a negative feature of only being capable of 40 amps instead of the other brands 48 amps. You should note that all the other chargers are rated at only 40 amps when plugged in with a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps requires hardwiring. Grizzl-e markets as plug-in convenient so the are honest stating 40 amps. The others have fine print of ‘48 amps when hardwiring’.
I mention that in every review. The links are in the description.
Thanks for the feature Tom, happy charging! ⚡
I have had really good support from Chargepoint.
Just out of curiosity, how much should I expect to have a charger hardwired in my garage with an existing Nema 14-50 and appears to have been wired for 100A (all new construction). I expect it shouldn't be that expensive since it should be a quick install, but I have no idea if a quote may be overcharging for what I believe is a quick install.
More of a question. I am charging an F150 truck, with an 80 amp Ford Pro charger. Set for full power, but not getting that to the battery per the Ford Pass app. Does the truck reduce or regulate the power going in from a level two charger?
What are your thoughts about the Mercedes Wallbox Charger? Do you have a segment on the Wallbox? Thank you
This is a fabulous review. Thank you. My Leviton 40amp charger died last week (the circuitry inside looked fried). I used this video to confidently order my new unit (ChargePoint Home Flex).
Dose it matter if the power supply is 50 or 60 hz ( cycles) on any of these chargers ?
So the Rivian charger I ordered with my Gen2 R1T, at $800, is a dubious purchase. I’m new in the EV world, and like most things in life, you learn truth the hard way.
How is the Mercedes Wallbox, is it the same as The Wall box? Thank you
I am a newby to EV chargers and your video was by far the most informative and best video I have watched so far. Well done. Being from Canada, I was interested in the Grizzle unit but read a lot of reviews that complained about the glitchy app and the stiff cable, especially in our cold winter temperatures. I was also very interested in the Emporia unit, and your review confirmed my interest in it. But unfortunately, just another unit with a very stiff cable. Its good to hear that the manufacturers are addressing these issues, but when will the upgrades be available!! I will continue to monitor your site for updates. Thanks for the thorough test results.
We would like to install a charger at our VRBO rental property, but we do not want charging to be available to the general public. Ideally, we would like to restrict it to people staying at our property. Do any of these chargers have this capability?
When you talk about cable performance, for example, the Grizzl-e, does that just mean it becomes stiff or the actual flow of electricity is impeded by cold weather?
My ford came with an app that tracks charging. So should I get/do I need a wifi enabled charger
This is the one I need to see Tom! I hope there is one that can tell me how much money we spend a year charging. But I’ll probably have to calculate it.
I'm not impressed with Grizzl-e's warranty policy. The strain relief failed on my unit and they told me it was not covered under warranty because "Per our policy, we are able to send replacements and replacement parts for defective units and parts. However, the cable that you received was fully functional without wear and tear. Therefore unfortunately the cable would not fall under warranty." So what exactly does the warranty cover? I question what you'd get paying extra for a 5 year warranty.
Question What EV charging brand allows me to set the amount of Percentage charge. Allow me to stop charging at 80% full. My plugin hybrid does not allow me to set any setting of a % charge Thank you RB
I’m an app skeptic (and I personalize your scoring system by removing points for Alexa) and would love to see a discussion of how various equipment functions without internet
Great overview, thank for all your work that went into this presentation. I currently have a Juicebox, and love it, however with the fact EnelX pulling out of the US soon I worry about it's capabilities once it is not supported here. I realize it could perform as a "dumb" charging unit but believe it may be time to search for a new unit that can have more connectivity.
Great information, and really like the way you break it down into categories to help make an informed decision. Any chance you are going to review the new Apex Charger Mach II? Looks like a great deal at only 350.00.
Our home only has a 100 Amp Panel. Are we safe to level 2 charge if we adjust the unit to a lower amperage and if so what Amp is recommended to safely use? Alsp, what are the increments they usually adjust at. Thank you to anyone who can respond!
Yes, certainly. A lot of people do that. Usually, most can be adjusted from 48, 40, 32, 24 and sometimes 16 amps.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you! Would you recommend adjusting to 32 Amps in this case? or lower
Great video Tom, I apprecaite all the information. I just recently got a tesla and I am looking at the best home charger and leaning toward the Chargepoint. I also live in North NJ and wanted to see if you know of any rebates the state provides. I checked JCPL and it looks like all the funds were used. Thanks again for the great video.
Been using a Chargepoint flex, hardwired on a 60 amp breaker for two and a half years now with no issues.
Are there any chargers that can be stored in a retractable cord reel?
Have you tested the Ubiquiti Unifi (UC-EV-Station-EA) charger?
Hi: These reviews are excellent. In the ChargerRater system for the Charge Point Flex - The Access Control category shows point charge of 3, 2 and 0, but you've given the category a 1. I'm going to assume that the Access control is "In App" and that the value for it should be 1 point??
QQ. In the USA what percentage of people have the opportunity for home charging? I’m in the UK and having off street parking home charging our two EVs means I rarely need to use a public charger.
I just bought a Range Rover sport which has both J1772 and NACS plugs built in. I want to go with the NACS wired option. Which one would you recommend ? Thanks for the reviews.
Interesting most operating temperatures only go down to -30 Celcius (except the Autel which has a bad cold weather cable?)... Was thinking of getting an EV but our weather here in Northern Canada gets below -40... not sure there are any chargers that work outside below -40 well?
Hello, should i go with ford charging station or tesla universal wall charger for mache ???
As a professional computer person, smart devices are usually a really bad idea. Why were all of the chargers smart chargers? What's the best option for a not-connected charger?
Yes, as all the Juicebox pro users just found out. All eight of my head units turned to bricks yesterday!
Another great point on the Tesla Universal, its bidirectional. So as PowerShare becomes available beyond just the CyberTruck, if you have Tesla Solar/Powerwalls already, your good to go pretty much to feed your microgram from you car/truck. A no brainer if you have a Tesla system, and a Tesla.
My 2018 tesla came with the mobile connector at not extra cost. I can charge at 32 amps which is enough for me. 6+ years later, it is still working great even with charging two separate Tesla vehicles since 2021.
I'm looking to install a level 2 EV charger at my home but it has to be outside. Are there any outdoor covers that can lock, so only I can have access to the charger?
Look up the wolfbox level 2 charger. They have a key card option that only allows card holders to charge.
I had an Emporia EVSE I bought in April of 2022. After an OTA on my Mustang Mach-E (MME) I started getting charger errors at the end of a charge once or twice a week. Turns out the Emporia was sometimes taking over 3 seconds to stop sending power when commanded by the MME, which caused the MME to fault and lockout the J1772 port until the J1772 was unplug and then plugged back in. I was already somewhat annoyed that during the winter when I remote started to warm the car up, that I would have to wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the J1772 release to unplug so I wasn't unplugging under load. Does the new Emporia still have the timing issue?
The EVIQO now has a standard 3-year warranty (no “if you leave a review” requirement). They offer a 4 year at extra cost.
Thanks for the review... I am looking to horizontally install a EV Charger in the ceiling of my garage. I had my electrician rough in my 220 to the center of my double tandem during the build of my house. I was planning on using the EvoCharge cable management reel (but turns out it is limited to 24amps - cable size) so, I'll have to figure out some other way of managing the cable. Is there any reason why a EV Charger can't be horizontally installed? Are you aware of Chargers that are certified for horizontal installation?
...I have a 2023 Rivian R1S
The only creator willing to waterboard a charger to get the true value out of them.
Wondering if there is any longer term data on when the ChargePoint fails. ChargePoint is saying mine is now failed and needs to be replace less than three weeks after the warranty expired. Anecdotally I've seen at least one other story of a ChargePoint failing just after the warranty expired.
Question. For the chargers that are 50 amp capable, do you have to hook that up to a 70 amp? Is that really worth it for an extra 2 amps of delivered power from one of the 48 amp units?
Super awesome very thorough reviews.
Awesome. Helped me make up my mind.
Hi Tom, did you ever tested the Emporia or ChargePoint charger's for power interruption as you did for Topdon PulseQ charger (posted last year)? Do they automatically resume charging after power interruption while charging?
Locking pin on the Tesla universal wall connector is made of metal. I doubt it breaks
Thanks Tom. Thoughts on the EnelX chargers?
Great honest review Tom of the various chargers that are available for electric vehicles.
One thing that I would ask that you lobby Tesla for is the availability of an 240V 80/100 amp charger. The reasons for this are that as battery sizes are becoming bigger and the super off peak mains electricity price periods are remaining the same, an 80/100 amp/hour charger would be a really useful upgrade from the current 48 amp.
Tom, based on a user suggestion, Elon promised to update the software of the Tesla home charger enabling the user to set a time when the car needed to be done charging. Like I put in for charging to be done by 8am, etc. Is there an independent charger working on something like this? Or does one already exist?