Physically abusive behavior in cabin. Disruptive passenger. JetBlue divers to New York. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
12-AUG-2023. A JetBlue Airways Embraer ERJ-190 (E190), registration N337JB, performing flight JBU521 / B6521 from Boston Logan International Airport, MA (USA) to Palm Beach International Airport, FL (USA) was cruising at 32000 feet, about 70 miles south of New York when the flight crew reported a level 2 threat (Physically abusive behavior) in the cabin, requested to divert to New York John F. Kennedy Airport and to have a law enforcement at the gate. As the pilot reported the passenger was throwing object on the flight attendant.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 The airplane is cruising at 32000 feet. Pilot reported disturbance in the cabin
01:19 JetBlue 521 turned inbound New York Kennedy Airport
02:11 Information. Passenger was throwing objects on flight attendant. Pilots requests law enforcement
05:01 JetBlue 521 was transferred to New York Approach controller
08:10 The airplane established communication with Kennedy Tower controller
08:47 Landing. Communications on the Ground
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No fly list, all airlines, end of story. Enough of this nonsense. If people can't control themselves for the duration of a plane flight, then they need to not be flying.
It started during the pandemic it should continue.
Probably none of those happen.
This is why we don’t take problems on the ground up in the air. You can’t behave on the ground then you ain’t going.
@@TheDogGoesWoof69flying is NOT a right. Why do people say that?
"...and Center, we can't be sure how the passenger got the hell beat out of them but we can confirm that they are compliant at this time..."
Ha! I was going to say, just let all the other passengers 'detain and subdue him' since they are now late for their FL vacation.
Agreed. Pretty tough throwing ice huh. Say something to those who still stand up to bullies, drunks and jerks and end up having to go see a nurse first.
🤣🤣🤣
Love it 🤣🤣
The passenger should requird to pay all the airlines extra costs....
The ATCs and pilot handled it very professionally. The passenger may have wanted scotch and he got bourbon, or wanted Pepsi and he got Coke. Pitched his glass of ice cubes at the FA. There should be a substantial fine for this. It cost the airline thousands to divert and it cost all the passengers in time, failed connections, etc. People like this should not be allowed to fly on any commercial airline.
2 weeks in the clinker
No, passengers like this need to be prosecuted, jailed, and pay restitution.
Yup. Not having a good day, you need to reschedule and fly another airline.
Every flyer has encountered drunks on planes. Usually they fall asleep. Planes are pressurized to simulate a 8000 ft high elevation. High elevation and low pressure accentuates the effects of alcohol.
There needs to be a central no-fly list for passengers with a history of being disruptive/abusive. You shouldn’t be able to get kicked off a Delta flight for being abusive and just walk over to Southwest and buy a ticket from them. Make it a 5 year ban for your first violation and lifetime for the second.
I want to see the guards taking care of the passenger.
Dude in 2C is like, wow, that was a quick flight! 🤣😂
It was a surprise 🤣
My wife last week on Alaska Airlines in first class asked for a hazel nut vodka on the rocks and got Doctor Pepper instead. Instead of throwing the drink and ice at the flight attendant, she said nothing and drank it...........the flight arrived ontime at the right airport........
I’ve done that, too
What kind of airline doesn't stock a sufficient supply of hazel nut vodka?
I can almost remember when that stuff was free in coach.
I teased my wife that a 14 year old kid asked for a Doctor Pepper got her hazel nut vodka! LOL@@canadagood
@@michaelperry4920😂
@@michaelperry4920 Funny!!! Sounds like something my husband would say. Did your wife appreciate your humor? I admit sometimes I don't appreciate my husband's teasing. LOL
Flight Attendants are there for the safety of everyone on the plane, not to have anything thrown at them. Since we're living in a post-9/11 world, no assaults can or should be tolerated. Pilots and ATC did really well in this situation. Thanks for another interesting video, You can see ATC! 🙂
Thank you for watching 😊
Throwing objects at flight attendant or anyone is an assault. Shoud be arrested and charged.
They likely were. That passenger will likely be banned from B6 for life. As for diverting to JFK, the flight can get re-crewed if need be.
Threatening violence is assault, if they actually do it, it's battery.
I love how people think that they can do what they want
Look at the last presidential election in which voting laws were changed bypassing the legislative process. This is the country we live in.
If he was a problem on the ground, how did this A-hole get up in the air? Epic fail JetBlue!
Was he a problem at the check in counter, TSA, walking to the departure desk, to the desk employees? Al those places might be considered “on the ground”. Who if anyone told the crew or Capt?
First, the disruptive passenger must be fined all the costs of the airline and another assessment for each of the other passengers. Then, a punitive fine of at least $50,000. Then 6 months in jail, followed by 6 months of public service cleaning airport bathrooms. Finally, never on an aircraft again. Never.
Jail sentence and heavy fine, banned from flying Jet Blue and banned from flying with any other airline; for a period of time
can we refuse the airlines our tax dollars for the next bail out
"Settle down, or I'll turn this thing around!"
If only planes had an "unruly passenger pod" they could shove them in & hit the eject button, pod autodeploys chutes & fires an EPIRB.
Why waste a perfectly good parachute?
😂
Ahh you’re killing me Smalls🤣🤣🤣
You could probably pick the person out of a lineup without being an eyewitness to the offense.
"If I could have your attention please. We need volunteers to help. We have an unruly passenger that need to be placed in the bathroom until we land..."
With an ice bucket to help him cool off.
don’t know how common it is anymore but for many years following 9/11, no one had to ask. More of a “f around, find out” real quick type thing.
ATC needs to enforce lifetime NO FLY for these clowns! Deterrent enforcement. The rest of us decent folk don’t have time for their entitled antics.
Threw ice. Gosh. I wonder if alcohol was involved?
Strong surface low pressure center over New Jersey. How did I know? Low altimeter, at 29.86 inches, and surface winds from 200 degrees. I was an aviation meteorologist for several decades. 15 knots sustained is also pretty strong.
And I hope he pays for the diversion fuel and landing fee.
i am ready for some crackdowns. stricter laws. since we can no longer expect adults to behave themselves, it looks like we need to start grounding them for bad behavior. fine em and ban em for at least 5-10 years and if there is a second infraction, ban em for life.
Im surprised that they don't ask about soles fuel pounds and hazardous cargo,
If they did not declare an emergency, then those details would not be required by ATC
Back in the day half the passengers were in the bag when they got on the plane, and continued to get really blotto. I once had to sit next to a really loud, obnoxious drunk from SF to Hong Kong. He finally passed out (they kept serving him!) but kept flopping his arm onto me, and I had to touch his stinking arm to put it back. But if you cut out booze at the airports and on the planes, the drunks would find a way to bootleg it anyway.
Best idea return and dump them off the plane . And the customer never fly again! On any airline period. If any one on the light misses connection. The thrown off passengers are 100% liable for all cost !
Don't we all love unruly (think they're uniquely special)Toads disrupting and interfering with our scheduled delivery of compliant souls. 🤔👨🏽✈️✈🌍🎯
Love your videos!
Thanks 👍
Interfering with a flight crew is a federal crime and can bring severe penalties, including years in prison and massive fines. The FAA can also levy additional substantial civil penalties.
I realize that your map details only the approximate position of the plane, but based on what I see, why would they not divert to either Philly or Baltimore? To me it looks closer than JFK.
Why are these flights always coming out of Boston? We're not ALL jerks, I promise.
Probably one of the Floridians onboard
@@SkyWayMan90 Probably one of those Northerners who decided to escape to freedom.
It’s the Boston Traffic😂
I actually hate every person in Bosten thanks to BPD
No, they were visiting BOS.
They are closer to Philly than JFK and Philly is less crowded!
What the heck was the outcome?
I like this format, but it would be nice if there were some kind of concluding statement (s) about the result, like we're they arrested, for what, sentence, etc., if possible. It kindof feels like we're left hanging, but I like how irrelevant planes are left out and editing out dead air stuff.
Me too. But that stuff isn’t recorded.
2:16 No confirmation was given that the flight deck was secured though.
I noticed that as well but maybe thats included in the level of disruption provided?!
Any attempt of breeaching the flight deck escalates the threat to a level 4 (highest possible), so a level 2 threat answers that question
@@1008OH Agree on the first part, but I’m not hearing the question as “has any attempt been made to breech the flight deck” but as “is the flight deck secured” _including_ as a precautionary measure to ensure that the flight can continue safely for the remainder of the flight (like locking of the door and understanding if all pilots are inside the cockpit unharmed). So yes, if an actual attempt has been made: level 4, but even if an attempt has been made it would still be relevant to answer if the flight deck is secured, don’t you think? She is asking for both the threat level and if the flight deck is secured.
I thought the flight deck is always secured, wow
They always fly with the flight deck curtains firmly closed.
Do we have to start installing a brig in airplanes and equipping cabin crews with tasers, ball gags and handcuffs?
Lifetime no-fly list enrollee.
Be careful you might get some one who’s into BDSM 😇😇
These current generations just suck. What happened to the golden days of aviation and flying?
I’m not rich enough to fly the legacy carriers when SW and jet blue are 1/3 the cost, but stuff like this just makes me cringe.
Never in my life could I have imagined commercial air travel resembling a greyhound bus out of downtown Chicago at midnight.
That’s pretty much your typical LCC airline these days.
dude fucked around and found out
don't mess with flight crew
Freight dogs to get away from the lunatic fringe. 😮
I was a passenger on that flight.....the flight attendants highly exaggerated this....they actually were the problem. thy were rude, abusive and disrespectful and escalated EVERYTHING! this was completely caused by the flight crew!
Damn... you have any more details?
Is it normal that they'd divert to JFK instead of landing somewhere in NJ or PA? Seemed like it would be a closer landing spot from where they were at the time of the incident.
Believe JFK is a jetBlue hub
Jet Blue's primary hub is JFK. Considering the time it takes to descend from FL320 and set up the approach, JFK was a perfect option for them. If the plane were on fire it might be a different story.
@@stephenj4937on fire, throw out the anchor and make Philly, but the mothership being in Kennedy helps for crew and aircraft change if necessary.
Why not go to BWI or Philly? It's roughly the same distance and at least in the direction they were headed.
Do you get extra FF miles for the diversion?
I doubt it, unless the delay ends up being long enough to qualify for compensation, in which case you can get compensated in frequent flyer points.
I would call this a hijacking… prison for a decade will stop this conduct.
I see no other option but to treat these kinds of disrupters as "domestic terrorists" (since this terrorizes passengers and this is a domestic airline issue). This should be followed by being placed on the no-fly list for at least 10 years. Actions should have consequences.
I miss the years when we had Air Marshals. :)
As far as I know we still do, they’re just not advertised..
At least the passenger waited until NY so he could be out by dinner for another flight
dinner after a year?
Not in NYC
@@j134679
Nope
Federal charges
No quick bail.... no non cash bail...
Just a quick trip to a federal holding facility.... then a hearing before a federal judge...
The ny get out of jail card is not applicable 😂
why didnt they go into atlantic city int. or philly??
Why so complicate? Taser, handcuffs and continue to the destination.
Tasers maybe not a good idea on an aircraft fuelled by AvGas.
Barbarians in the Sky.
Why turn the plane around rather than* land at the next airport to drop off the passenger and then continue the flight to FL ?
Because you want to always go to an airport that your company has gates at if possible. It makes taking care of the passengers, crew, and aircraft easier for everyone.
@carbonking53 True, plus if the pilots get lucky they might time out and get the rest of the day off with pay protection. That's always a win.
Please define “drop.”
@@artysanmobile -- Slow down to under 50 after landing, open the door and kick them out and return to the runway and take off.
Would that be a touch and go or a go around?
why not KPHL or KBWI?
Maybe because it wasn’t a full-out emergency and they needed company logistics?
It's always preferable to divert to a company hub unless the situation demands the quickest landing possible. It sounds like they had Ice Cube more or less under control and they needed to come down from FL 320, so might as well go to JFK.
ORD was on ground delay.
Entitled brats, sometimes with substance abuse issues.
So... what's the passenger's name?
So that's what you say to the pilots if you want to get off a few stops early.
While never flying again 😆
You can be arrested and charged when its an assault. You will get there early but might end up in jail.
@@maxb4074 Thank you cap. Next time I'm in the mall I'll pick you up a six-pack of sense of humor.
@@Michael-iw3ek OK smart ass. There's a difference between humor and a stupid bit of advice. Your comment came nowhere near humor and everywhere near a stupid bit of advice.
So what about the divers? Not sure I understand.
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I think we need to start grounding people who act like children in public. Ankle bracelets with work exceptions only.
This is a brillant way to get cheap fares. Book a cheap flight goong over your desination that would be more expensive to fly direct to, then just go all Level 2 on em and get to where you wanna go much cheaper.
Absolutely well worth the prison time, fines and being never allowed on a commercial flight again. Smart plan🙄
@@jmcrae825 Not if its a democrat controlled city. Then its a slap on the wrist. Or an apology if you claim to be an illegal.
@@RS-ls7mm not true. Act like an ass in the air it’s federal charges. And they don’t play with kind of shit.
@@RS-ls7mm YAFI
And get 3 hots and a cot to boot.
Conclusion?
Divers? No, diverts.
All expense trip to the local hoscow
Your cousin from Boston.................
Back in 1998, on our B-727, we had a non-english speaking hispanic male swipe a cart, pull it back to the aft cabin and start throwing unopened cans of CocaCola at the attendant, we did not divert. . . Ice?
OK boomer that was 1998. We don't act like that in the skies anymore. Its unacceptable and your flight certainly SHOULD have been diverted if the passenger was that out of control.
It seems the divert for anything now.
Oh, he was arrested when we landed, and the passengers moved away from him until then. But a divert is obscenely expensive back then, and today as well. Air MarshAlls werent a thing. . . and Karens were rare.
Were you flying over the ocean? Just Curious!
You mention Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter in the video--you might want to put those in the desc as well. :-)
Fly private !
Duct tape the sob to the seat and carry on.
These controllers have horrible phraseology even when they KNOW management is listening. Hate to hear them when everything's routine.
You have spent time at the libarry. You ax smart guy questions.
Boring
“Disturbance in the cabin…we would like to divert to JFK…we will stay at FL320….we’ll stay on course for now and wait it out”.
Are you kidding me? Tell her you need to get to JFK now. What kind of operation is this?!
Yeah I was surprised by that. It's one thing if a passenger's behavior is borderline and you want to give him/her one last chance to shape up before pulling the plug.
But once they've thrown stuff at the flight attendant? Sorry that's game over
Oh how they wish you were there.....oh crap but you weren't.
@@RLTtizME Ignorance is bliss, right? How long have you been at jetBlue? Long enough to get triggered by a strange opinion huh? Notice how you have nothing to say about the content of my comment-just feminine sassiness. Typical.
A professional operation. It's a question of safety. Jet full of people, busy airspace, no fire, the plane is perfectly fine, so you follow standard procedure for a divert. Even if it were a medical or equipment emergency, they would still have to manage their energy during the descent so they don't come in hot and high and out of control. Shame they had to divert because of a temper tantrum. Higher workload because they didn't get to brief for the approach and had to trust ATC and George, but they winged it just fine. Well done, JBU crew!
An important question whether any duct tape was available.
This getting ridiculous. This is terrorism and needs to be prosecuted as such.