High speed landing. Stuck flaps. United Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner returned to O’Hare. Real ATC

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  • Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
  • THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
    17-OCT-2022.A United Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner (B789), registration N35953, performing flight UAL712 / UA712 from Chicago O’Hare International Airport, IL (USA) to Delhi Indira Gandhi International Airport (India) after departure stopped climb at 5000 feet, reported stuck flaps, the crew was unable to retract the flaps, and requested return to O’Hare Airport. Prior to the return the crew decided to dump more than 100000 pounds of fuel. The pilots declared an emergency and reported their intentions to do a high speed landing after fuel dumping.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Description of situation
    00:17 Initial climb. United 712 requested to stop climb
    02:11 The crew requested fuel dumping
    03:33 United 712 Heavy reported the issue they have
    05:16 The pilots declared an emergency and started fuel dumping
    10:41 The crew finished the fuel dumping
    11:18 UAL712 contacted Approach controller
    13:01 The crew contacted Tower controller
    13:19 Landing at O’Hare
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    THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
    THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
    SOURCES OF MATERIAL, LICENSES AND PERMISSIONS:
    Source of communications - www.liveatc.net/ (I have a permission (Letter) for commercial use of radio communications from LiveATC.net).
    Map, aerial pictures (License (ODbL) ©OpenStreetMap -www.openstreetmap.org/copyrig...) Permission for commercial use, royalty-free use.
    Radar screen (In new versions of videos) - Made by author.
    Text version of communication - Made by Author.
    Video editing - Made by author.
    HOW I DO VIDEOS:
    1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
    2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
    3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
    4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
    5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
    6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
    7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.

Комментарии • 84

  • @bigscrounger
    @bigscrounger Год назад +25

    ATC guy was very skilled... Clear and concise

  • @whatwhome6914
    @whatwhome6914 Год назад +5

    Years ago, I was on a plane with stuck flaps that made an emergency landing in Portland OR. The pilot was one cool cucumber. The brakes and tires did get smoked as we landed but we got off the plane safely.

  • @BillinHungary
    @BillinHungary Год назад +31

    The pilot was also periodically advising other pilots in the area that they were dumping fuel -- professional and considerate. And then after talking with the company's maintenance department, he's thinking "No way are we going to fly all the way to India with stuck flaps... besides, O'Hare airport is a United hub and their repair facility would be there as well.

    • @mar_man813
      @mar_man813 Год назад +8

      That was the ATC -- mislabeled as UA712

    • @spelldaddy5386
      @spelldaddy5386 Год назад +5

      It is a standard call by ATC during fuel dumping: "Attention all aircraft, fuel dumping in progress [distance and direction from landmark] at ___ altitude, ___ type aircraft

    • @Marix498
      @Marix498 Год назад +4

      Believe me, he knew from the beginning they won't fly to destination with stuck flaps...

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +1

      You can’t fly that far with flaps partially extended. There are altitude limitations for the aircraft above which you can’t have extended flaps.

    • @Marix498
      @Marix498 Год назад +3

      @@EdOeuna and they will burn much more fuel, which will probably cause dropping below minimum reserve fuel at the destination, or even not enough fuel to reach. Another reason is you don't know why the flaps are stuck, probably hydraulic . Not a good choice to fly with

  • @jpm1211
    @jpm1211 Год назад +8

    That fuel dumping was right over my f-ing house, apparently.

  • @UnshavenStatue
    @UnshavenStatue Год назад +8

    Staring at those road line shapes, I'm pretty sure they went within a few hundred feet of directly overhead my childhood home

    • @donnamauer3215
      @donnamauer3215 Год назад

      Lived in Wood Dale as a young kid.
      ✈️ ✈️ ✈️

  • @ChicagoMel23
    @ChicagoMel23 Год назад

    Surprised I didn’t run across this on the Chicago news.

  • @Istaylowkey
    @Istaylowkey Год назад +3

    The pilot just sounded like he was over it. Trying to get A to B but ended at A again. Glad all souls were ok and good on the atc

  • @bravedave5186
    @bravedave5186 Год назад +1

    Good by both Air Traffic Control and the United pilots. Don’t know what the landing speed was but had to be quite high. As for the fuel dumps it would have to be about 15,000 gallons. Most of it evaporates with little hitting the ground. Fuel dumps are only done under extreme or emergency circumstances!

  • @N1120A
    @N1120A Год назад +7

    "East- West lines in your present position," not "flaps flying..."

  • @TheTiktok4321
    @TheTiktok4321 Год назад +3

    That's a lot of fuel at low altitude and low temps. Surprised they didn't dump completely over the lake.

    • @Druidus98
      @Druidus98 Год назад +3

      It was mentioned several times in the conversation that they were afraid of the existing icing condition over the water.

    • @Lurch-11
      @Lurch-11 Год назад +1

      @Wolfgang van Oorschot And that means nobody should be concerned about the thousands and thousands of lbs of fuel dumped on land? Definitely a highly populated area also lmaoo ya big dummy

    • @ChicagoMel23
      @ChicagoMel23 Год назад

      Apparently it evaporated

    • @HarshL
      @HarshL Год назад +1

      ​@@Lurch-11 That's just not how jet fuel works. It evaporates.

    • @Lurch-11
      @Lurch-11 Год назад

      @@HarshL ......

  • @BabyMakR
    @BabyMakR Год назад +3

    Out of curiosity, it looked like they were doing the fuel dump over land? Is that normal procedure? Wouldn't dumping over the water be safer in terms of none being below them getting showered with A1?
    Edit: Also, I assume the high landing speed was due to the weight of fuel? Why not dump some more to reduce the weight so that the brakes etc aren't stressed?

    • @TheN747
      @TheN747 Год назад +14

      Jet fuel evaporates really fast so as long as they are high enough it will evaporate before it gets close to the ground, or water! High landing speed is because the flap setting for takeoff is lower than the setting for landing. Since the flaps are stuck in a takeoff setting they can’t create as much lift as they would in the landing setting. So the aircraft has to fly the approach at a faster speed to keep the aircraft from stalling, therefore landing faster. More speed equals more lift essentially. Hope that makes sense!

    • @kyleayres5397
      @kyleayres5397 Год назад

      I think the mechanical issue was stuck flaps so that may explain the landing distance

  • @Spaxuable
    @Spaxuable Год назад +1

    not sure if anyone sees this, but, when he says 'UAL712 Heavy' is the Heavy part a call sign for cargo-plane? or is it the size?

    • @mpk6664
      @mpk6664 11 месяцев назад

      "Heavy" designates the amount of wake turbulence the plane creates. The 767, 787, 747, 757, and 777 are designated as 'Heavy'. The 737 is a medium. The A380 is a Super heavy.
      If a lighter plane (like a Cessna) flies underneath a 'heavy' aircraft, then they could be hit with the turbulence generated by the wingtip vortices, which can be catastrophic.
      The amount of turbulence often correlates with the aircraft weights, except in the 757s case. The 757 generates a huge amount of wake turbulence despite being smaller than a 767.

  • @midzify621
    @midzify621 Год назад +3

    My uncle is flying united 712 tmrw

  • @RonPiggott
    @RonPiggott Год назад +14

    You can't put a price on life. I am glad they dumped the fuel in order to land.

    • @ghostrider-be9ek
      @ghostrider-be9ek Год назад +1

      this aint exactly a life/death scenario - its the same as having a power steering fluid leak on the highway - annoying and requires attention, but not dangerous

    • @steve1978ger
      @steve1978ger Год назад +7

      @@ghostrider-be9ek - well, it's a flight control surface... and when you don't know what's causing the malfunction, you can't rule out it will get worse.

    • @RonPiggott
      @RonPiggott Год назад +4

      @@ghostrider-be9ek My comment is that if they did a high speed landing without getting rid of the fuel their brakes would have been significantly hotter and could have brought a different outcome.

    • @spelldaddy5386
      @spelldaddy5386 Год назад

      @@RonPiggott yes, but they could have achieved the same goal by holding for a while and burning the gas. Not all aircraft are capable of dumping fuel, even when they can take off over the max landing weight. It is not life saving to dump fuel, it is only a time saver. Truth be told, they could even land with that heavier weight in a true emergency, and not have such a problem either.

    • @spelldaddy5386
      @spelldaddy5386 Год назад +1

      @@steve1978ger these aircraft have very good monitoring systems. It will be abundantly clear to the pilots if there is an overarching problem (eg hydraulic failure) causing the flaps not to move, but when that is the only failure, they can be sure that the problem is isolated to the flaps. There is no getting worse from stuck flaps that will make it a life or death situation -- these aircraft are built and tested to handle these emergencies

  • @josepheenee
    @josepheenee Год назад +2

    Pretty sure thats kels....

    • @zander2830
      @zander2830 Год назад

      I hear that too! Defintely him!

  • @EdOeuna
    @EdOeuna Год назад +1

    Seemingly a well handled response to a fairly minor failure from which they can’t continue. The pilots seemed to be a little hesitant with their decision making process and asking ATC instead of telling ATC what they wanted. Climbing higher than that initial 5000ft wouldn’t have hurt either.

    • @cullery07
      @cullery07 Год назад +2

      Depending on weather ya it could have hurt. Working with atc isn’t abnormal the aircraft is flying fine so working with atc to avoid other disruptions isn’t being hesitant. Also a flap failure isn’t a minor failure post landing fires are a major concern.

  • @thailandrose2603
    @thailandrose2603 Год назад

    I ask again, why do the majority of these Real ATC's involve Boeing Aircraft.

    • @ShortArmOfGod
      @ShortArmOfGod 11 месяцев назад

      Ask all you want. They don't.

  • @user-wl3sw8xw9z
    @user-wl3sw8xw9z 6 месяцев назад

    Zaten düşüncemi yazıyorum herzaman yorum olmaz ietisimleri paniklestirebilir ne yazdı ne yazıyor gibi zaman kayıplarına neden olur.

  • @MattyEngland
    @MattyEngland Год назад +19

    My wifes flaps have been stuck for the past 18 years.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +5

      They weren’t stuck for me and my football team at the weekend.

    • @davidking8745
      @davidking8745 Год назад +3

      That was a good one

    • @davidking8745
      @davidking8745 Год назад

      Hopefully her flap are stuck..planting..tulips

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer Год назад

      ...high speed landing....that could hurt!

  • @a.o.424
    @a.o.424 Год назад +26

    Dumping 100000 pounds from 6000 feet with temperature around 30F, how much jet fuel hit the ground or lake? I would guess at least 60000 pounds. That's a significant environmental disaster even spread out over 200 square miles. Is there a cleanup protocol for that? I wouldn't want to drink that water, or eat those crops, or let my kids play in those parks, for years.

    • @baxlife334
      @baxlife334 Год назад +7

      Wow. And let me guess that was never reported to the EPA.

    • @CWebb-yr7vc
      @CWebb-yr7vc Год назад +5

      I have always wondered about dumped fuel as well.

    • @38Flyer
      @38Flyer Год назад +3

      I thought altitude evaporates before it hits the ground

    • @a.o.424
      @a.o.424 Год назад +3

      @@38Flyer Jet fuel (basically kerosene) evaporates slower than gasoline. I'm trying to get info from the EPA but I believe a large fraction of the fuel would hit the ground or lake at that low altitude and low temperature.

    • @STSbrah
      @STSbrah Год назад +5

      If you actually watch the video they dump fuel over land and at flight level 6000. It evaporates and the FAA regulation is that it shouldn't be below 2000 feet.

  • @daddybearlv
    @daddybearlv Год назад +6

    The controllers are making way too much communication for any aircraft with these circumstances. The pilots are experiencing high work clothes… They do not need excessive communication.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +7

      It’s not a high workload situation. They are communicating to the cabin and company as well as ATC, but the checklist and flight deck set up can be completed in about 5 minutes.

    • @TheTiktok4321
      @TheTiktok4321 Год назад +13

      Keep in mind this video is compressed, so it sounds like a lot, but it's spread out over like 45 minutes.

    • @daddybearlv
      @daddybearlv Год назад

      @@TheTiktok4321 … I did not think it was compromised, as the visual “target” did not jump.

    • @j134679
      @j134679 Год назад +3

      @@daddybearlv the visual is sped up in between communication

    • @UNITED38Heavy
      @UNITED38Heavy Год назад +4

      Also for a flight to India these guys probably had 4 pilots on this flight, so even the non-flying crew members were probably assisting in running checklists.

  • @deakhanani
    @deakhanani Год назад

    😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣

  • @bobwilson758
    @bobwilson758 Год назад

    You gotta be shitin me on this one ! Damn near fiasco - WTF 200K ? OMG …. SHAME !

  • @gavinsingh4450
    @gavinsingh4450 Год назад +4

    Praise be to Allah the Capitan was able to land the jet safely and not run off the tarmac and the Co-Pilot was able to talk to the Tower on the radio and the Air Hostesses were able to serve Lassi!!!

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer Год назад +2

      Praise the pilots and checklists

    • @ChicagoMel23
      @ChicagoMel23 Год назад

      Jesus is the truth and the God of the Bible

    • @malahammer
      @malahammer Год назад

      @@ChicagoMel23 prove it :)