@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.' Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.
Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.
Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?
@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber
You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.
@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.
The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife
@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable. I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.
This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.
I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.
You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin. His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit
@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?
@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it? I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you? Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?
Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.
Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you….. It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….
The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it
@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.
When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 RUclips was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.
Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.
@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that? i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”
While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome
Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke. Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.
@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.
people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.
@@benabroad8872 RUclips has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month. Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.
People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol
@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.
@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.
Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.
@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument
@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.
As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful
Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.
Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"
My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.
The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.
He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him. He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.
@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.
Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.
I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.
I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing
I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.
It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.
@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂
He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music
Being black in middle school during those “edgy” years was absolute hell. I was constantly harassed by kids parroting the same shit he said, calling me “n-word, f-word” and following me around constantly. I’m not saying Idubbz is responsible for anyone else’s actions, but he did encourage this kind of hate and bullying in his videos, and it did hurt real life people. I believe the apology is warranted. Just because you didn’t see the affects, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
@@watch-Dominion-2018 mockery might've been his intention but the outcome was what was posted in the comment above, that's what Idubbz was apologizing for. Braindead take I'm ngl
@@watch-Dominion-2018 are you trying to say that his previous content were satirizing slurs rather than just making a joke out of them ??? thats ... interesting
Charlie, as a 30 year old to a 30 year old. We been around long enough to know that what we see on the surface doesn't compare to what we see under the water. Meaning jus cause you didn't see the full damage of his content doesn't mean that it isn't as bad as he said.
@@nullakjg767 this mindset is minimal. What if it promoted the killing of a group of people? I don't know. Don't ask me. Never watched the guy. Most I know is from Charlie. Just saying that you have no CLUE what effect his words had on people. Could have been one of the people that shot up a school. You don't know these things. 🤷 That's what the other commenter was saying just... Less extreme. Edit:TLDR. WORDS HAVE MEANINGS AND EFFECT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. Crazy right?
@@tomjohnson4822 Wow how could you say that to me? You have no idea how damaging you are right now. You better apologize for this in 10 years. You cant ever know because you arent me, but just trust me youve caused me serious damage. Your intent means nothing
isn’t it possible he is just genuinely reflecting on his past and how he’s dealt with it? Like Charlie says “this wasn’t so damaging that his career would be over” but maybe he just genuinely feels bad in his own opinion and wants to reflect. You don’t always need an exterior motive to apologize. Idk maybe i’m crazy
For real! Most people have actually forgotten about IDubbz, so that just further proves that he wasn’t just doing damage control, he genuinely feels bad and wants to make amends.
I feel like Charlie's coming at it from a perspective of Idubbz "needing" to make an apology, but he didn't have to. He wanted to, and I think its extremely mature for him to acknowledge his past content, openly move on from it, and be clear to his fans that never grew up that its cringe as fuck to stay in that 2016 era
Pretty spot on. If you knoe the atrioc situation, it's like when people defended him. He didn't want people to do that because he knew what he did was bad and wanted to hold himself accountable. So it's not really a question of whether or not they needed to.
Agree completely. People have taken Ian's agency away from him, portraying him as if he's simply doing what some other external cultural force has "made" him do, when I think there's no evidence of that all.
Nailed it. I wouldn’t even say it’s the content itself he’s apologizing for, at least from what I’ve seen so far, but more the culture his content created. He was pretty much the face of internet edginess, and a lot of people, specifically people who were in middle school/high school at that time, picked up his humor and ran with it. Even though a lot of those people have moved on, grew up, and no longer hold those views, there is still a sizeable portion who haven’t, and still act that way, and constantly shittalk Ian because he no longer makes that type of content. I completely understand why Ian would come out and make this video. You can still feel the effect his content had online to this day.
I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced
Tbh as a black person and someone who was a young teen watching his videos it didn’t really bother me that much what he was saying. It didn’t change me as a person or anything it was just videos on the internet. I feel like most people are so hypocritical when it comes to this stuff. Most of you find it fine when shows like family guy and South Park make some really racist and messed up jokes. But when it’s someone you can actually see and blame them you’re all against it.
Well the difference is when racism is portrayed in something like sout Park it's typically ridiculed, or the concept of it is mocked. Such as the episode where randy says the n word. Idubbbz on the other hand didn't portray these things in a subversive manner, the joke was often just the racism. Obviously your opinion is just as valid as mine, just my thoughts on the situation
@@Nexter-Lie that’s fair everyone has their own views, I personally don’t feel idubbz was or is racist it was just the jokes he was making but of the same people think hes racist when he really wasn’t. Only part that bothers me tho is penguinZ making a video on his apology trying to dismiss everything he said I don’t feel it was needed
Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.
The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves
@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.
@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.
@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude. Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?
imo as long as the apology is sincere, there’s no reason for anyone but idubbbz to decide whether it was necessary or not. it was his own choice to make based on his personal growth. also, the impact of idubbbz old videos was very real, regardless of intent, and to minimize that fact is harmful
It's a free country. If people want to criticize a decision they can. Just like Idubbz was free to apologize Charlie is also able to criticize that decision. I feel like Idubbz apology comes off as moral grandstanding. To me personally. That's just my opinion which I'm allowed to have. As I said free country.
I've been on RUclips for years but I really never watched any idubbz videos, can you tell me what kind of impact he had back then ? Like, what was his content like ? I just need some sort of context as to why he would need to apologize and be brought up into drama after many years.
@@DarchrowTheEnigma He was essentially the stereotype of "edgy" in like 2015-2018. He would call out people who were being shitty to others. He would say really profane things but not from a place of hate but for the sake of being edgy. An example was his content cop on leafy. Leafy was essentially a commentary channel and he would bully random people and kids on the internet. He would say all sorts of cruel and hurtful shit even for like 2016. So Idubbz made a video basically calling leafy out for being a bully and making fun of him the same way he would to others. Idubbz can choose to apologize and feel bad about the content he made but I very much feel like charlie here that some words he used may not have been the best but he wasn't the harbinger of hatred and bigotry that he was making himself out to be.
@@andrewesau51 💯 Idubbz is another Ethan Klein, imo. His content stagnated and this is a way to keep himself relevant. Watching him desperately try to convince the internet that he’s fine with his girlfriend’s OnlyFans is disturbing, too. She’s the reason for this apology, if you ask me. When you see them on videos together it’s like he has Stockholm syndrome. He’s got the same tattoos as she does. She also answers any questions he’s asked, whilst he sits there looking like a scolded puppy. She’s a wannabe breadtuber, and he’s dutifully copying her attitude; because he’s cucked. It’s pathetic, frankly.
If that's how iDubbbz truly feel, then he has every right to apologize. And it's up to the community that would be affected by his content who can truly accept or reject his apology. At the end of the day, the apology video is only for those who was negatively affected by his old content.
He’s just in damage control mode from banning froggy. This is how he’s furthering his justification for it. Nothing he said was that bad, he never called someone a slur. He literally only said the words to make fun of people who used them, or in a context where he was saying the words just to point out they shouldn’t have any power over people, and all words are okay to use, and only hateful intent is bad
@@femboyfoxfurry2603 the timing of the apology was. He’s been backpedaling for years now. Ever since he married that one girl and took her last name, he’s been a broken man. Just a virgin who got trapped by a snake - sadly
I honestly feel like back then, idubbbz just got more and more edgy cause his community would push him and he either never stopped out of fear of losing his audience or just being desensitized
Why did you omit the parts where he brought up situations involving his past harassment of Tana and how he hurt some minorities in his community? Like when he mentioned a trans person who is a fan of his going up to him and saying "I know you probably don't like trans people, but can I have your autograph?" Really, Charlie? I think you missed the whole point of his video.
That says more about the Trans person actually. So she judged someone who wasn't anti trans In terms of Tana she was known for saying the n word herself so yes a comedian doing something like that is only something all sorts of comedians do. Def no reason to apologize to Tana of all people.
For real. I normally love Charlie's videos but this one was just extremely out of touch and missing the point. I hope he's able to look at the criticism of this video and recognize that it really was not the right move to make it.
@@SM-nz9ff i think it says more about the fear trans people face when coming up to others. people are so hateful to that community, existing in this world as a trans person is a scary thing. there’s something called the “trans panic defense,” which has held up in court..
@@SM-nz9ff For one, do you know what era of RUclips that was when Ian was an edgy asshole? He was calling people the f-slur left and right, so that trans person probably thought that he would also call them an f-slur. How are you so dense as to not get that? Also, what does Tana saying the n word when she was a teenager have to do with some random dude you didn't know harassing you in public, even if it was for the purpose of criticizing her? You're not doing a good job defending past Ian, and I'm pretty sure he'd clown you for this exact reason. Like that is such a mentally [redacted] argument lol
Let’s be honest, idubbbz made vids that essentially advocated for the use of slurs. Kids at my school would literally quote his vids to justify their use of these words, so I get why idubbbz feels like he should apologize.
I think what makes me skeptical is why now? No one has really brought up his past or called him racist at least en masse, it's been a few years since he's been like that but why is he apologizing about it now and not when he was trying to transition his content? To me it seems like he's deflecting people are criticizing him for the way he is now and all the creator clash drama and not wanting to take accountability, he should be apologizing for that and trying to make up with those guys. It's good that he'll be donating to help people who could be affected by things like slurs amongst other things but it really feels like a hey look at the shiny thing and not the mess over here
No. He advocated for context over content. It was right then and is right now. If people misrepresent that for their own nefarious purposes then they willfully CHANGE the context. Thus its still right.
There was a really sad part of the video where he talked about an interaction he had with a trans fan. The fan assumed he wouldn’t like them because of it, but still wanted a picture, and he said that was a major wake up call because he realized that not only was his perception among others, that’s what others were getting out of his content. I think that’s the core of what this video was about, and I think it’s true
@@whckmaybe shows how Charlie doesn’t understand the reason why Ian is apologizing. I don’t think Charlie understands how harmful casual racism & bigotry can be.
@@plasmanip3998 I mean, why would he? Most (not all obviously) white people are casually racist every day without even realizing it. It’s so intertwined with society that people don’t care. Like Charlie calling it being “edgy” is crazy enough lol. Being racist isn’t edgy it’s racist.
He should have explored his feelings of Imposter syndrome with a licensed professional, not trauma dump on the internet what a evil monster!?! he used to be and how everything he used to make was EVUL*tm* ontologically. And pretty much saying the people he made videos on were like.. beyond reproach? What other take is there really
Basically, for me this video is the same as like if he would say he would stop making videos and follow other paths. This just close the iDubzz channel. And what will be next woll not be iDubbzz
Idubbbz once criticized Tana for saying "the context of the n word doesn't matter, using it is still racist" while also saying that casual racism is still racism.
I dont see a contradion. Idubbbz was never casually racist. He never judged anyone based on the color of their skin or tried to say anything remotely racist. He just used words that are considered "racist" back then because he had views about the topic that he no longer holds
@@ballisticbiscuit5706 Well yes I'm not saying he was racist or anything, it's just that he critizised Tana for saying that the n word is always racist reguardless of the context but then claimed in his video that him just saying the n word was racist. I just find it strange that he would grow to think this way when he was right before.
lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes
As a black person that grew up watching idubbz, I understand yet question some of Charlie's points. I found enjoyment watching his content cops and i do believe they called out people where they were wrong. However, I feel that his use of slurs led me to grow up thinking it was okay. It led me to accept a lot of racism from people as I didn't think it was wrong. I think Ian's impact on young viewers led many to echo this rhetoric in their daily lives, though im sure many people matured out of it as the internet changed. I think it was entirely fine that Idubbz felt the need to officially address his past content. Charlies critisms didn't feel necessary. It can be easy to label the use of slurs as not offensive "shock factor" humor when they aren't targeted towards you. Edit: i dont think idubbz is a bad person, i was a fan growing up and i support him changing as a person.
So, what's your point then? You were not offended, nobody else was offended, everybody got some laughs out of that and just moved on with their lives. But these days everyone seems to rethinking every single word they read/hear, getting butthurt and offended every time someone says "nigga" or "cracker" or "fatty" or whatever, and cries about that on the internet. What the f*ck have happened to the internet I loved so much in early 2000s?! No stupid self-censorship, everybody openly told what they though, and nobody was butthurt all the time. It seems that society have lost balls and get weak af.
i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here. this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it). You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was. you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago. be realistic.
Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively
i feel like ur going on the opposing side now, its his audience that responsible for their own actions ur arguing that art belongs only to the author when as soon as its created it isnt people will do whatever with it and that's on them.
It's not your apology to accept man. It takes balls to accept that you may be part of the problem and he did that. As someone who watched his videos when i was a preteen i genuinely thought saying slurs was okay. intent does not matter he was setting a bad example regardless. Slurs make people feel unsafe/uncomfortable.
@@fandyus4125 if I'm walking down the street and someone calls me a slur I'm going to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. if I hear someone saying slurs in a hateful way I am going to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. on the flip side, if I hear someone reclaiming a slur, then that's their own right and that's cool too. it's not all black and white dawg
@@L-Bird-s3r lol, gtfo. The newer generation has zero concern about using slurs and hateful rhetoric against those they consider their political/ideological opponents.
A lot of people from that time forget that these slurs meant nothing when they were being used. Slurs only make people uncomfortable when they've been taught to feel uncomfortable hearing them, and that shouldn't ever be normalised. Part of the reason they are so common on the internet is specifically because people give those words too much attention in person. Trying to pretend these slurs are genuinely harmful is giving power to meaningless letter combinations and breaths of air for no reason other than to refuse solving a bigger problem. It's like using medication to survive debris from a penetration wound, but refusing to remove the debris. The problem never ends if you don't address it.
@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.
I've only heard of this guy, but I'm glad he made a proactive apology. I heard you say "It doesn't strike me as..." a lot in this video, but you're not the one he offended (whether intentional or not).
@@ibadrizvi5740 I take it your trying to refer to the fact that some of Idubbbz' current content is allegedly "edgy," but like, its not racist edgy, you know that, right? (I've also heard it alleged that the Froggy Fresh guy is lying about how behind the scenes stuff unfolded, but I don't know, I... don't watch Idubbbz' content, but I have watched some of this unfold and its *obvious* that the people taking a strictly anti-Idubbbz' position do so because they've got an agenda, especially whenever they claim Anisa is "controlling" him and "making him act like an SJW" when she was the one holding the fucking camera when he dropped the n-bomb on Tana lmao.)
I actually watched his content growing up and his edgy use of slurs never striked me as hate speech, he would always use slurs as some kind of exclamation point or a way to finish off a joke. I was old enough (13-14) to understand that it was satire and dark edgy humour so idk about the younger audience. It just feels weird seeing him put down ALL of his content like he is a ex-war criminal while most of his old work was very informative on other content creators despite the edgy humour
You probably never heard of iDubbbz either. He isn't denouncing his old content because it was offensive. It's because he wants to please his abusive wife.
When I was a kid being shown idubbbz videos from classmates, it made me and other people feel okay to say things that hurt others, the people that were hurt then, is who idubbbz is apologizing to, not his fans, the people affected by his impact.
me too. ive been very proud of myself to have grown into the person I am now, and it's made me pretty happy to see him come out and admit the same while condemning his past behaviour that we all used to justify our own.
Which is really unfortunate. Most of the harm done wasn't by Ian himself, it was done by kids and teens who lacked parental engagement in their lives. And this isn't me saying that you are or were stupid, but that kids are stupid. Kids don't have high concept functionality, kids tend to take things at face value and go along with things. What we are seeing with Ian is the adults in the room knowing that he isn't responsible for parents neglecting their children, and a bunch of very young adults blaming Ian for their decisions as children who simply couldn't know any better and who didn't have parents teaching their kids values. It is not up to the rest of the world to intuit the values of invisible children they don't know even exist who aren't being raised by their parents. Let me put it this way. If a parent allows their child to spend the parent's money on a video game that is made for, marketed to, and rated for adults, is it the video game company's fault for raising a kid who isn't acting properly? Or is it the parent's fault for not paying attention and not being involved in their child's life. Any adult could tell you back then that you shouldn't have been watching his content, that it was for adults only. I disagree with a great many things Ian has said and done both past and present, but as an adult both back then and now, I don't place him on this impossible pedestal that no one can ever hope to achieve like you seem to placed him on. Those people you hurt could have not been hurt simply by your parents instilling you with values. You were a kid, kids do stupid things, but you shouldn't blame strangers who don't even know you exist for your actions as an individual, child or adult, that just isn't right.
he didn't make content for children, if I'm 11 and watch django and then go around saying the n word its because I'm a dumb child not because of a movie
This feels like a generational difference more than anything. Like Charlie was well outta the schooling system before Ian came on the scene. You wouldn't know how bad it got unless you were there
@@nameymcnameface1834 Claiming it's a parental fault when children are allowed without their parents in school is ridiculous. It's not the parent of child A's problem when child B starts saying slurs because of some content they saw and child A starts picking up on that same habit.
What harm? Did he shoot someone? Death threats with validity? Stab? If people got harmed over words, they got some actual growth and maturing to do. I’m not excusing him being “mean” if he was being authentic but if it was funny edgy humor, then you all need to get over yourselves and laugh at yourselves.
@@Devin7Eleven damaging someone's mental wellbeing with words 'can' be harmful. Is it always? No. But if you contributed to ruining someone's self worth, that's harmful. Even if it wasn't your intent.
@d-7113 he cultivated a community of dickheads who think its ok to call people slurs. He made racists more comfortable expressing their verbal bile. If you see someone verbally abusing another person and you blame the victim for being emotionally affected by that abuse, you are an anti-social, apathetic loser. Have some humanity you prick. It's the cunts who think it's ok to resurrect dehumanising, degrading terms for their own putrid entertainment that have "some actual growth and maturing to do". Tldr: grow up
@d-7113 the harm was cultivating a fan base that would literally commit hate crimes 😭😭 I like Idubbz but every content creator is responsible for the community they create
Charlie: "it was normal to say that back then" Bruh, is Charlie okay? How'd he come up with such a horrid take? Dude's logic in this video is so flawed 💀💀💀💀
That’s what makes this so dumb is that Ian is straight up saying “I made this content to be hateful. It garnered a hateful audience” about his OWN content and intentions and Charlie and many others are saying “well no I don’t think so”
It’s unfortunate. If anyone was actually offended by him they should either stop watching or grow tf up. Try being a minority in a country outside North America. I promise we ain’t that bad compared to everyone else 😂
Not sure what Charlie was saying here, if the man wants to make an apology video that’s a valid enough reason to, intention doesn’t excuse outcome and if he can see that the videos were by nature malicious based on their effects on others then more power to him
exactly like he definitely influenced me & im black , & i had a ton of white “friends” online who he influenced to say all these slurs bro what is charlie talking about
I wouldn't call it growth to call your old content nothing but hurtful and cruel while still making videos that are basically just laughing at someone for being overweight.
Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Charlie. I agree that he didn’t HAVE to make an apology. I think he wanted to make one, which is great! Good for him. But yes his style of humor has an impact. I was in middle school during that time period and kids looked up to personalities like his and used that humor against other people.
then you should blame them and not the old idubz. It's like providing guns to the masses, gun is dangerous but it's up to the individual to use it for self defense/security or crime. another one is WWE where they hv warning to not imitate them, but you'll still see some kids imitate them leading to death, you can't blame WWE for providing violent entertainment, and even lil ol me back then wasn't dumb enough to imitate something dangerous. so yeah I think it's still up to the individual for what they do, if those ppl used the word to degrade/shame/bully other ppl, then it just means they are inherently bad ppl, no matter from where they learned the words from, as simple as that.
@@whitedrone4698 you missed the point. your gun example isnt entirely accurate. idubbz didnt give anyone guns and let them choose how to use em, he had one himself and then showed how he used it. (if we go based off of your analogy metpahor whatever) because of the sheer amount of his fanbase and how parasocial relationships work, people looked up to him and copied him and the way he acted. the way he acted was harmful, and then there were a bunch of people doing the same harmful shit he did. its like giving someone a gun and then committing a crime, and not expecting ppl who look up to you to do the same because they see it as Acceptable Role Model Behavior.
@@whitedrone4698 the individual is still at fault, but you have to think about where they learned the behavior from and how the behavior was treated in the content. wwe is consensual, wwe gives a warning not to imitate them. idubbz did not.
@@whitedrone4698 nope, he's a grown man. he's responsible for the impact of the media he creates in bad faith and posts publicly. he inspired an entire era of bigots and racist teenagers.
@@whitedrone4698Ok but in your gun analogy, if idubbbz would have sent his 13 yo fans guns and someone would have committed a crime with it, obviously he would also be partly to blame. (At least in most countries)
Charlie the issue wasn’t the intent, it was what he perceived the effect his content was having. You keep harping on “I don’t think Idubbz ever had racist beliefs it was just shock value” he never said he did, he expected that people would perceive his intent and know it’s all a joke, but a lot of people didn’t, that was his main gripe, not the intent, but the effects.
Basically Charlie is implicitly saying he doesn't think saying the n word has a terrible effects if the speaker has no intent for hate or cruelty, it's just cringe.
I don't think his content was having that much of an impact. What it did was just give racists another platform or forum to speak. They would automatically run somewhere else if he wasn't like how he was before It didn't necessarily create a whole generation of racists. There's a reason why there's a lot of people who watched him in this comment section didn't turn out like those who watched his videos and said the n word
"he expected that people would perceive his intent and know it’s all a joke, but a lot of people didn’t, that was his main gripe, not the intent, but the effects." You can never control anyone else's point of view on subjects. You can't beat yourself up over someone else's interpretation of your life or your content, especially in comedy where shock has and always will be a tool of the trade.
His influence was actually more severe than you may believe. As someone who loved his videos at the time, it certainly affected my behaviour and what I deemed ‘acceptable’ as an impressionable teenager. Now obviously there is blame due on my part, but I can confidently say I was not the only person that age influenced by the ‘edgy’ creators of the time due to the attitude of normality.
@@Alfenheimer it should. You here old/big rappers like snoop dogg and Kendrick Lamar talking about how the newer rap and audience is focused on the wrong things. Listen to Eminem’s “sing for the moment” and take in the lyrics
He definetly did negatively impact a generation of early teens. Cuz a lot of young, Impresionable dudes were watching a guy who made good content, also normalise use of slurs.
Bro I was called a n-ggerf-ggot all the time because of iDubbbz back in high school. Not just that but students would go out of their way to find me and make fun of me for being “different”. The dude normalized bigotry. Some of the guys who were iDubbbz fans in high school ended up harassing me as adults to the point where I had to get police involved. I’m 22 now.
@@Cobble01im sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately idubbz would say these things for shock value but anyone who actually watched his videos would pretty quickly realize that he never actually spreaded bigoted messages. Unfortunately a lot of his viewers weren’t smart to realize this and just his use of the words was enough for them to have ammunition. Just remember though, that these kids who harassed you would have done so regardless of what idubbz may have said
@Cobble01 That sucks, dude. I'm sorry. Hopefully, they didn't call you things like "p-ssy re-ard" or "J-zz junkie." That'd be hurtful. Good luck, mate.
@@JamesBarton-Johns Actually no, I’m pretty confident they were all directly influenced by iDubbbz and any similar RUclipsrs at the time. Hate is learned. I wasn’t even extraordinarily different - I was a black, skinny, quiet kid. Their favorite RUclipsr taught them making fun of minorities was acceptable behavior and they grew with that mentality into adulthood.
@@Cobble01 once again. Im sorry that happened to you. But I just want to point out that idubbz never spread any kind of hateful message. He definitely said certain slurs too much, but he never actually preached hate against any group of people. These kids that copied his words already had that hate in them. I actually liked idubbz during that time and that never translated to me harassing anyone in person or online. But hearing one guy say n***** f***** didn’t make he hate gay black people suddenly. And none of this makes it okay to say things like that and obviously too many of his viewers were too stupid but I always just saw it as shock value/ satirical
Dude feels guilty, it’s obvious he really regrets his behavior from the past and I understand his desire to distance himself. It’s healthy to reflect on your past behavior and want to change what you don’t like. That’s literally maturing.
He built his entire career on making fun of people. If he really regretted his actions he would shut up and let people make fun of him. Instead he spat his dummy out and demanded that everyone stops making fun of him now because he decided he doesn't want to do that anymore.
Yeah, I don't get Charlie's reasoning in this video. Ian definitely DID do harm. Using slurs like that are innately harmful, it normalizes using them, so of course it is harmful towards the people who the slur is about. I know that sounds "woke" or whatever, but it is honestly just.. true. It was cruel. Plus Charlie seems to forget that he used to target unknown people on Kickstarter, not just youtubers.
Thing is that he's embarassed about it and completely bends over, mooning his asshole to the twitter mobs because he's too frail to stand by his past content. Plus, the sole reason he's here right now, us talking about him and everything is because of the way he was back then. It was and still is entertaining. So he's basically just hating on us fans for liking it and then hating himself for doing it. Condemning the reason he's famous.
I hate that I've kind of known that this is the underlying ideology of Charlie and his fans, but I'm really happy to see that even if he hasn't grown in his big age, his fans have and have proven me wrong. Big oof.
Even though this is quite the horrible take, I’m very glad that from what I can tell, quite a lot of these comments are saying why it’s a bad take for Charlie to say this and are explaining why. Kind of sad this is how Charlie thinks and is pretty childish and this isn’t something he should even speak about cause it didn’t really affect him at all. It’s easy to not care about something that does not affect you ya know. Glad many people are pointing this out and that they were happy there was an apology because of how they were affected by it in the past.
@@jackaryyy there is a difference between someone calling out behavior they do, and someone _7 years later_ apologizing for bad content they made in their early twenties in the mid 2010s because they thought racism was funny. thats not hypocrisy thats fucking learning and growing as a person over time.
@@jackaryyy to add on to what Jules said, Ian didn’t erase or private all evidence of his past content, he /unlisted/ it. it’s still there, just unlisted so that it can’t interact with the youtube algorithm or reach new people. Ian has grown as a person and shown clear signs of it and i, someone who was actually affected by the ramifications of his old content, really appreciate his apology.
@@jackaryyy I think that it's important to realise that using immature and hurtful language can be used by others to undermine the good points he did make. He's also criticising the aspect of him using racism=funny and the impact of some of the content cops spreading more hate than could be justified. Plus I'd wager a decent margin of the fans of said content who didn't grow past that phase have gone from ironic racism (saying NF for laughs) to unironic racism.
I've known since his awful BP2 review. I got 20 seconds into the video and literally said aloud "this man has a shit grasp on race relations, black history and culture, and the themes of this movie overall." And then I hit unsub.
Situation aside, I’m glad to see that unlike other fanbases, Charlie’s can actually think for themselves and go against his opinion. It’s even better that the majority of the criticism isn’t toxic or hateful, just constructive.
truly! with the exception of those who straight up can’t accept that having the opinion of “ian should take accountability and it’s good he reflected on himself”, charlie’s audience is very capable of calling out nuances that charlie has left out. it’s soooo refreshing
I think one thing you're not recognising Charlie is that he's spoken about this before. How he's met certain people from his audience and how unhinged they were and how much of a realisation that was for him. If I was in his shoes, I'd probably apologise just like he has.
I disagree with the weaklings that think this is a bad take. I think it is nuanced, and compassionate. If you are offended, you are the type to race bait, and stoke the flames of racial hatred. Idubbbz seems like he's being brainwashed, and it's sad. It was a moment in time where he might have made the wrong choices, but it was funny to a certain extent. It may be offensive, but that is how humor works. If you can't see that, you should just take a seat and keep your whining to yourself.
Yeah, im gonna have to disagree, i lost a friend in hs due to bullying and i can remember many of the bullies would pull some sort of idubbz or other "edgy" youtuber quote as an excuse or reason who they shouldnt feel guilty. I think this apology was rightful as he made the choice and it wasnt a false forced apology.
I feel like this argument keeps popping up time and time again. Video games cause violence or that rap causes gang activity. I don’t know man. Those guys are just assholes for the sake of being assholes. I don’t think Frank or Idubbbz made them into bullies. I watched a lot of edgy content on RUclips. And I’ve never bullied anyone so did my friends.
@@Somethingaweful most child bullies never actually wanted to hurt anybody and I’m sure they definitely didn’t want anyone to commit suicide if that’s what the original comment was implying. As somebody who watched idubbbz edgier content while I was still in school, he very much did turn these things into “no big deal” at least for me. So while “assholes for the sake of being assholes” maybe they wouldn’t have thought their behavior was okay if it wasn’t so normalized.
It wasn't genuine lmao. If it it was genuine those old videos of his would not still be on his channel. It's also super convenient that Idubbbz suddenly matured as soon as RUclips started cracking down on type of content he used to make, don't you think?
@@fart63 And RUclips has also been cracking down on that style of content for a few years as well, so that point means nothing. RUclips started cracking down on that style of content around 2017/2018 (I forget which year it was, but I know it was one of them), which happens to line up really well with when he made the last content cop.
Idubbz is right, you shouldn’t ever be mean even if it’s for comedic purposes. YT should be a safe space for all people and no one should have freedom of speech.
@@xTheBOISxwhy would you choose to hate someone. becoming blinded by hate in that scenario would leave you senseless and crazy. And this is a stupid scenario you chose, everyone would react emotionally since you're at a chance of losing an emotional attachment, it's a normal human reaction. But it is not ok to hate others regardless, you can live a happier life without hate.
When he tells the story of a trans fan of his believing he hated trans people, but asking for a pic with him anyway, honestly if that happened to me I would feel like a POS and I would make an apology just off that. Maybe he feels so bad that he felt compelled to make huge amends.
Cool to see that Charlies fans are willing to call him out, for a while it seemed like he's been reaching blind worship status. Glad thats not the case.
It's very concerning that so many people are cool with idhubbz apology. He didn't do anything wrong, he was never hateful, he has nothing to apologize for. He voiced his opinion on a number of topics, he made good points, and he never criticized anyone or went after anyone that didn't deserve it. idubzzs has nothing to apologize for. He didn't do anything wrong.
Same, when I finished the video and opened up the comments I was pleasantly surprised by all the people who were actually thinking for themselves rather that just agreeing completely
I think it's weird you cut out the part about the interaction he had with a fan who thought he hated trans people. He saw the community he had built and saw how they perceived him. Just because you knew better doesn't mean the army of 14 year Olds watching his shit back then did.
Charlie doesn't give a shit about trans people, he's blind af when it comes to anything pertaining to civil liberties. I enjoy his vids, but he's average floridaman fr
I feel like this isn’t a real thing and this is some sort of bad dream because I have never seen someone not accept an apology because they didn’t think the apology was needed
you've never once in your life said "sorry", then someone told you that you don't need to apologize? I thought that was something everyone goes thru at least once ya know
@deftd0ll99 that's when the apology's meant for YOU smartypants, why'd a rando jump in out of nowhere n be like "no u don't need to apologise to him" when they're not even being spoken to...
16:24 "You didn't ruin anybody's life, you didn't create an army full of racists and bigots" intentional or not he helped normalize such language and as a result spawn more people like that
and he quite literally did help to create an army of bigots. i was like 14/15 when idubbbz was at his peak and damn near every friend i had was watching idubbbz and spitting slurs on the regular bc of how he treated them LMFAO. idk why charlie is trying so hard to say absolutely nothing of substance
It was well known that Ian and that general group of people had an extremely bizarre and gross fanbase. At least for those years, fanbases didn’t use to be so outspoken or widespread like they are on twitter now
@@masterqookie7660 of course there will always be people like that thats not an argument, but someone like younger me would NOT have ever been that person if not for his contrnt. i can say the same for basically anyone i knew in like my first two years of high school, his videos directly influenced us to act in awful waysand say horrible things
@@hyperviewed That’s not Idubbbz fault though, that’s like saying we should censor out scenes of Good Fellas or Spaceballs because kids might be watching.
While I usually am an "actions speak louder than words" kind of person, I actually think this is a case where publicly voicing his disappointment in himself and the culture he fed into is an appropriate response, and I am sure, appreciated by those who may have felt harmed or negatively affected. His whole career and success was basically based on him voicing his opinions and criticisms, so I don't see why that wouldn't apply to his own mistakes.
Actions speak louder than words? Well, that clearly was a shit ton of bullshit if you remember how he addressed the CreatorClash 2 debacle with FroggyFresh and Sam Hyde.
He isn’t apologizing because he overreacted ab his own content or wanted to change his content outright while leaving those people with him, he is apologizing because he feels the need to come out about how he actually feels about his past and wants to move past it. He isn’t trying not to be cancelled he is showing how he changed as a person
This is exactly how I saw it. I didn't used to like him at all, but I've been seeing his dramatic change and it made me feel... almost proud of him. As someone who also made a great change a long time ago, I felt so guilty just ignoring my past. I want to live as an honest person. Clearly he wants to live as an honest person too.
@@thecov3n yeah ur right lmao. Moistcritixal is being biased asf bcs it’s iddubz. If anyone on the internet now was posting insensitive, racist, homophobic content, he would be gawking on a moral high ground. But for some reason it was okay for iddubz to do so? Ye he trippin
So what you’re saying is that someone can’t be wrong? You know he’s not an ai you get to judge and make fun of when it’s wrong, he’s done stuff like this before and when he got criticized for it; he apologized. As he most likely will with this situation
Getting something off your chest to the world is totally reasonable. I dont think his video was about wanting people to forgive him, it was about how he is a different person and the "old Iddubz" isn't here anymore. Also, "changing slowly" would mean that he would continue doing the things he didn't want to do, i think it takes a lot to take a huge shift in the kind of content you put hours into.
Why apologize and denounce the content that made you popular in the first place? Let your new content show your audience how you’ve changed, instead of alienating half of your audience by making them feel bad for enjoying your old content.
Seeing how I was called a ch*nk and the n word (I’m blasian) by a kid who religiously watched idubbz in 2015, I would say his channel had consequences. So real to the point to where i rather wanted to join in on the fun, instead of being made fun of. I started watching Ian’s videos, but I also started called people the n word just to get reaction and laughs. Hm.
What a pathetic victim mentality showcase. Just over how you pass on blame to dudes who just wanted to have fun on their channel over you being a bullied and you still havent grown up enough to realize the essence of it all, i m saying that without feeling guilty. You deserved to get bullied. You deserved it all. And it was all on you, the kids that bullied you and perhaps their parents. Noone else, only them. But i guess idubbbz is also to blame if you dont put limits when dealing with people or that if people dont feel like respecting you. Its never too late to grow a pair of balls and to ditch that victim mentality once and for all.
its so funny because its not even this guys place to say whether or not someones content, which consisted of literal slurs, is bigoted or not. He just feels so entitled to speak over the actual people who WERE harmed. It's an absolutely amazing thing to see in 2023. What a rare, out of touch, find.
@@cakebops are you 90 years old or is it that the new breed of snowflaks are the new 90 years old... how can "content, which consisted of literal slurs" be such a damn evil thing, if you dont find it funny dont watch it, if your kids are too young for it, dont let them watch idubbbz on youtube, simple as that, lol.... i hate to defend a clown like idubbbz in this case but the fact that the blame got shitfted on him over how kids acted retarded it doesnt mean he was the one to blame, next you will say idubbbz was used as educational content in schools to teach children how to behave... but ok, i ll take it, some harm might have happened, but do you know what is a million times more harmful? what he is doing right now, promoting one of the most degratory things a woman could ever do, becoming a prostitute, labeling it as easy money and trying to turn people who dont like that into outcasts of society... this is the dick of the dude you guys been sucking, for whom you felt so conveniently over his n-word scapegoat thing...
So many soft people in the comment section acting like they were personally physically harmed because of idubbbz past history. Get a grip and touch some grass. Lmfao
Personally I wasn't harmed, but if you aren't part of the group that had to deal with the toxicity and blatant racism of the internet at that time, you don't get to act like no harm was ever done. Idubbz is right that he contributed to a culture of cruelty and bullying and if you weren't on the receiving end of it, maybe you aren't part of the marginalized groups that suffered it and should keep your yap shut
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Does it matter? Charlie is one of the biggest creators on the platform, everything he talks about garners huge amounts of attention. He should have enough awareness to understand that a sensitive topic like racism, bullying and online bigotry is not the kind of space he should be intruding. If he doesn't understand the effect he has a discourse then it's better he learns now rather than with something even more serious
@@ratlab5680 Bro, he was never actually racist towards anyone or bullying anyone. The only times he used offensive language/slurs, was when he was doing satire. He wasn't bullying people, just calling people out on their bs. Such as that Jynx guy or w.e. He was literally just stealing people content and not contributing anything to it and was being called out. Now people are trying to say it was racist to call him out just because he's black. I am a PoC btw, and yes, this younger generation is soft af. They treat everything as if it personally hurt them and everything is racism and the patriarchy. Its ridiculous. Grow some backbone.
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Thank God I grew up in the 90's and 2000's. People weren't terminally online, socially awkward and offended by everything. Imho, social media and smart phones have made an entire generation of braindead people that can't handle anything that doesn't coddle them.
He seems to be pushing for accountability and change here. I actually find his points pretty compelling. Not a lot of people admit their insecurities because of narcissism. But he is doing that very honestly.
Yeah but making those content cops also pushed accountability and change on the people he made them on who deserved it albeit in an edgy 2010s way. But that’s what made it entertaining.
@@slothschewgum They always did have brainrot. Ever notice how Charlie goes out of his way to never say anything controversial? He'll talk about Twitter brainrot, but these dumbasses have no clue that Charlie is talking them.
"I never saw it as cruel" "I never saw it as acting superior" I mean he told one of the people he was criticizing to kill himself (prefacing it by clarifying hes never said it "unironically" before) after talking about how hes "smarter" than him.
I still cant believe the top comments mainly talk about how idubbbz content had an impact on kids and therefore he should be burned on the internet stake. My guy, blame the parents that let their kids watch ADULT CONTENT. If you wouldn’t get mad at American horror story for having an impact on kids because its adult rated, why would you be mad about kids finding RUclips adult content💀
No ones saying he should be burnt to the stake, they're saying Charlie totally underestimates the consequences of Idubbbz actions, because he's downplaying them. They're criticizing charlie for not realizing why Idubbbz is addressing his past behavior.
@@mandoy2080 im exaggerating obviously, and Charlie is well aware and isn’t downplaying it at all or failing to grasp the seriousness. The point is that idubbz content isn’t for kids anyways, it’s moreso the parents fault that they weren’t present enough to prevent their kids from seeing adult content. Idubbbz is addressing it because he doesn’t make that content anymore because he is aware of the impact it had and wouldn’t want history to repeat itself. It was a different time at the time he made it, because back then it was just edgy RUclips jokes that everybody understood was a joke. Its undeniable that there are probably people who were genuinely racist in the audience, and its clear that the effect on children was immense, but again, this was edgy RUclips content in the past, and the people who wouldn’t understand that are children who shouldn’t have been able to watch the content in the first place. Charlie didn’t underestimate the consequences of it, hes choosing to understand that Idubbbz wants to learn and grow from it. Nobody can foresee that adult content would have an effect on younger audiences.
@@mandoy2080 sorry, misunderstood you. But i still dont think that Charlie is failing to understand how bad the consequences of idubbbz actions or downplaying them. He speaks pretty fine about it in my opinion
kind of a weird take, if he feels bad about it then ofc let him make the video. if he really rejects the way he acted, especially with those slurs, let it happen. using slurs so frequently does breed racism for younger audiences, it happens a lot. it doesn’t matter what the intentions were, the intentions are clearly still incorrect because people (from where he’s from) clearly know those words are extremely hurtful to certain groups, and using them regardless of if you’re “racist” is still hateful. i am personally happy he was able to make this video, and while i doubt Id be going back to his content personally, it’s cool to see someone grow in that way.
Yes but as a human being you should be able to distinguish what is humors and isn’t if you basically use idubbbz as a excuse to be racist you are stupid edgy humor has always existed Ian isn’t even the worst offender frank was worse in my opinion 💀
Does it breed racism, or stupidity? There’s a difference. A 13 year throwing out “nigger” or “faggot” on the playground isn’t racism it’s them being an idiot and regurgitation things they don’t have the maturity and intelligence to see the nuance behind it. A racist doesn’t show racism by spouting slurs at random like most people perceive it to be, it’s when they treat and look at people differently based off ethnicity, skin tone, or dialect. To give an example I was called “nigger” on in school by a couple of dumbasses in middle school, we’re they racist? No they were trying to get a rise out of me and thought that word would incite an incident to exploit on the spot. On the flip side when I got kicked out of a store by the manager for “stealing” (which I hadn’t) but my white friend who was ACTUALLY CAUGHT STEALING was allowed to still shop THATS racism. Theres a core difference that I think people aren’t realizing in todays age. Being stupid doesnt mean your racist. It means your stupid and by the time u turn 25-30 or even maybe earlier than that your going to go “fuck I was a god damn dumbass when I was younger” while real racism your going to be 30,40,50 and still have those views because at your core you think they’re inferior.
The fact the world has gotten so soft that people need to apologize just to make sure their name isn't a stain on them to me is just preposterous. His apology comes off more as a safety net more than anything else. iDubbz comes off like he has no back bone.
I don't get why people are calling this drama, dude just wants to get his head clear, and own up for things he used to do, I support that (I have not finished this video yet lol)
Never seen someone start drama by apologizing for saying slurs and apologizing to other youtubers before. Charlie has gone a bit too off the deep end with the "drama" commentary, he's contributing to starting drama from nothing.
I think that the biggest misconception Charlie has with Idubbz's video is that he's apologizing for BEING a racist. He's not apologizing for being racist because I think most people could tell he didn't actually hold bigoted beliefs. He's apologizing for creating a community of ACTUAL racists. Ian even said in his video, it doesn't matter if he was actually being racist, his words and actions had the same affect as if he was.
Yeah Charlie did address what you just said, so I'm guessing you didn't fully watch the video. He's saying that just because some weirdos showed up doesn't mean it's his fault. He's also commenting on the fact that Ian is acting like he should be tortured 24/7 for doing it, not on the apology in itself.
He's still apologizing over nothing since that group was so small in the grand scheme of things. There's no collective recollection of this "ACTUAL racists" group that people allude to, so I have to ask you if you have any documented proof than just herd mentality and the possibility of one being there.
@@troypowers750 Group was "so small?" Any racism, on a small scale or not is wrong and creating a community of racists is also wrong. He isnt apologising over nothing, he was apologising to those affected. In the end, this influences people and people influence other people. How can you say hes apologising over nothing as if racism isnt an issue?
@@yes9064 I'm sorry, but that doesn't make a significant enough majority. Us older fans remember that Ian was pointing out the hypocrisy of Tana and society as a whole using race jokes on other people, but have such a death grip on the nigger word. How are we supposed to take that seriously when it's okay to make 9/11 jokes or French Surrendering jokes, but if it's about someone using nigger, we're supposed to be hung? Guess what? South Park, Generation Kill, Family Guy, Boondocks, or Gran Torino minus well be on the chopping block for making race jokes by your definition, right? Oh! But wait, it's not meant to be taken seriously, and it's used for comedic relief! Well, so is every black person essentially making fun of themselves. I think you're taking this apology video a bit too seriously if you actually believe that idubbbz's content was a gateway for racism, when it was never that. Rewatch Tana's Content Cop, and you'll be amazed at how much of a pussy idubbbz is now.
Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.
And? So are you saying when a comedian jokes about certain subjects it attracts certain people? How's it the fault of the comedian?
But you should still be able to make jokes without being called racist, sexist, or whatever.
@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.'
Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.
@@charlietraynor-croft6393 im with you on this but the n-word kind of crosses a line in this day and age
@@nebbygetinthebag7263 they were making an analogy...
I don't think Charlie is fully grasping the impact iDubbbz content had on kids back in the day.
I did commit 79 war crimes due to his content yea, all of them were in call of duty but still
Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.
@@miguelsalazar1059 I know right? 🤣
Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?
@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber
Making a 21 minute video about how his 10 minute apology was too much and unnecessary is peak irony.
that’s so funny😂i didn’t even peep
his apology was 17 mins
You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.
@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.
@@iggynub the CEO of irony
This is so tone deaf and I hate that you can't see the damage he's done and accept that he was wrong
what damage lmfao
Why are there so many crybabies whining about being damaged by words? It feels like I'm on Twitter.
What damage, I’m actually curious
What was the damage?
The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife
The fact he made all of these apologies and never once apologized for that haircut, that's more insane
Seriouslyy. That haircut is way more offensive than anything he has ever said
Yeah it's like the only thing that reminds me of old iDubbz lmao
@@hhaste let's be honest, a mullet is about as idubbz a haircut as possible.
i think it looks pretty sweet ngl
Kinda gay to judge someone's looks, fashion nerd
his content definitely had a much bigger impact on kids than you think back then. The same way ishowspeed is impacting todays generation of kids.
@@Gamfluent two things can be true at the same time my guy
@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable.
I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.
@@Gamfluentyeah but by that knowledge then dont blame the internet when your kids become a disaster.
@@Gamfluent sure they did.... then stop comparing your lifestyle to others then.
It really didn’t. Charlie is 100% right. Toxic people there were there because they were toxic. He wasn’t nearly close to what ishowspeed does today.
This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.
He's made about 6 videos so far where he does this, he is just repeating himself at this point
I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.
Its kind of like kim wexler from
Better call saul
@macicoinc9363 I can understand why though. People don't want to let go of of their vilification of his old persona.
You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin.
His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit
Why would you need to tell someone their apology is wrong?
To make sure it's actually genuine or serious.
To let them know they're overthinking things that don't actually matter, hypothetically speaking.
@@Tubeytime still an L take from Charlie tbh
@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?
@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it?
I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you?
Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?
Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.
Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you…..
It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….
Ugh I can’t stand that quote anymore ive heard it so many times
That was your dumb self for allowing them to disrespect you not Idubbz fault
The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it
It really is all okay or none of it is. Your race is the same as all others
Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.
I don’t think he’s saying he didn’t do some things that were valid or warranted. He’s just not proud of what he’s made as a whole.
Idubbbz has clearly developed Alzheimer’s in his elderly age
Doesn’t take away from the fact that idubbbz was literally the spokesperson for a word that was uttered as black ppl were lynched, raped, etc.
But when it happens to a dude nobody gives a shit xd
@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.
There’s a big difference between actions that are cringe and those that are downright wrong and unacceptable
And idubbbz’s were just cringe.
Boohoo bro he said a joke 7 years ago that everyone made
@@meatystalactite531brother no, he literally ripped the Quran book in half💀
There’s an even bigger difference between jokes and actions
he killed an actual real life mouse. he knew there was a living animal inside the box he was chasing it ith his fist you can find the video easy
When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 RUclips was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.
I respect you.
Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.
That is literally the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a while. You have never tasted true bigotry your whole life.
This is absolutely the least convincing story I've ever read. 0/10
@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that?
i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy
Charlie spends 20 minutes explaining why someone using the N word didnt hurt him personally 😂
You do know a lot of white people do get offended for other ethnicities. Be grateful Charlie isn't one of them.
And it hurt you? Words hurt you?
@@lordcchancleta9579 why be grateful for that? very pathetic take
@JoshuaWysocki-qr1py when the word pushes a white superiority complex i think it would hurt most people
@@Ethanbilski yes? do you not know how communication works?
I’ve never seen anyone try to debunk an apology
Very reductive take, clown
@@Ozhull it’s not a take it’s what he did
"debunk" he just called it fake and garbage, which it actually is
@@Nanamin69 apologizing for saying the n word isn’t garbage
Flombiggies!
It fills me with humanitarian faith that Charlie isn’t being blindly followed.
No, but idubbbz is.
He said naughty words and it was basically another Holocaust
Let's gooo
@@patrickkinnear8625 he is hitler basically.
Bc his audience is older and can think for themselves
Yeah, I may not agree with some comments but its a good thing to see a discussion
An unprompted apology from an honest person is more valuable than any other apology video/statement on the internet
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”
unprompted?? hes been getting railed online ever since the boxing event.......this was very much prompted lmao
@Nark Formost lmao people changed and left you behind, you do you but don't cry about others
@@DaFifaKid I didn't know about that
It wasn't unprompted. He did this because of the CC2 drama.
With all due respect Charlie, I don't think Ian was worried he hurt folks like you and me with his "former catchphrase".
How can anybody seriously listen to this group of twitch streamers and think "These people are intelligent, I plan to listen to them!"
or hes worried youtube no longer will be profitable if his image is that of his "former"
@@buddybrax Yeah none of them seem too sharp
The world would be better off if people tossed away the shackles of allowing words to hurt them, and that’s a fact.
@@joeyjojoshabbadoo8153just like the shackles that held the slaves arms back in the day huh?
While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome
It wasn't okay even then. The n-word was always racist. 😂
@@youforget1000thingsaday never said it was okay lol but you're right
Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke.
Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.
@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real.
And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.
@@Sneedmireme when racism is just minorities feeling sorry for themselves:
It’s not like he was a child when he was doing this stuff. He was a 28 year old man.
people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.
@@Lanooski True, but it’s just odd he suddenly got wise when RUclips started cracking down on harassment/language
@@benabroad8872 RUclips has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month.
Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.
People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol
@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.
To be fair, this is the most sincere and genuine apology video on the entire goddamn platform.
People think the fact he doesn't actually remove the videos makes it insincere
I disagree with that idea but I understand where it's coming from
Yeah? Why then since he wants to disown his actions, he doesnt go out and donate all the money hes made from the old videos? Talk is cheap
Yall are just easily satisfiable people, sort of person that belives short videos
@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.
Bro I can’t even fathom how blind you were to this issue. Chronically online and this shows you don’t socialize enough
Agreed. I guess this is what happens to your brain when you stay in Florida too long.
hes got one L take now y'all hating his entire personality
@@MoldyMan. i love him lmao I still watch him everyday. This was for sure an L take tho 😂
Things don't need to be huge, massive, unforgiviable problems for people to apologise for them.
except for when they're bad things like you know telling people that saying slurs is okay
Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.
@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument
@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.
@@cookiesncream9158 oh oki !! ❤️
As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful
This comment is a real one ☝️
Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.
Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"
Wow, this is a perfect example of self reflection done right. It’s good that you accept yourself bro
@@solomon2532 bro you can't blame idubbbz content for you being bullied really can't
My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.
Yuppp. He even says in the video: "I still don't like you guys" to all the content cop subjects
The way he did it wasn't wrong. He had nothing to apologize for.
Agreed. I don’t think Idubbz was apologizing for criticizing people though.
This!
The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.
He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him.
He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.
Not even a week ago he was in drama for fucking over another youtuber and it brought up his past.😊😅
@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.
He did it because his wife and the other drama he's involved with, where he is acting objectively terrible and two faced.
Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.
He did it because his channel is practically dead and he needed some more publicity for his fighting events going forward.
I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.
he did it because his “wife’s” boyfriend told him to*
Can't it be both? That he feels guilty for the pain he has caused, and therefore obligated to address it?
@@slothschewgum Source?
I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing
@@OriNyte me
I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.
Which was the point o his video, and apology. Charlie didn’t seem to like that
It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.
@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂
He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music
@@innsaanitty lol
it feels like he didnt even watch the video at all....
Being black in middle school during those “edgy” years was absolute hell. I was constantly harassed by kids parroting the same shit he said, calling me “n-word, f-word” and following me around constantly. I’m not saying Idubbz is responsible for anyone else’s actions, but he did encourage this kind of hate and bullying in his videos, and it did hurt real life people. I believe the apology is warranted. Just because you didn’t see the affects, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
he was mocking people who use the N word, but you Gen Z never have the ability to understand mockery
@@watch-Dominion-2018 mockery might've been his intention but the outcome was what was posted in the comment above, that's what Idubbz was apologizing for. Braindead take I'm ngl
@@watch-Dominion-2018 are you trying to say that his previous content were satirizing slurs rather than just making a joke out of them ??? thats ... interesting
@@keynage6693 you're clearly a Gen Z npc
@@peachnotperf Gen Z npc
Charlie, as a 30 year old to a 30 year old. We been around long enough to know that what we see on the surface doesn't compare to what we see under the water. Meaning jus cause you didn't see the full damage of his content doesn't mean that it isn't as bad as he said.
Damn what kinda stuff was Idubz doing? Was he whipping slaves?
@@nullakjg767 saying slurs for shits and giggles and being an absolute asshat about it
@@nullakjg767 this mindset is minimal. What if it promoted the killing of a group of people? I don't know. Don't ask me. Never watched the guy. Most I know is from Charlie. Just saying that you have no CLUE what effect his words had on people. Could have been one of the people that shot up a school. You don't know these things. 🤷 That's what the other commenter was saying just... Less extreme.
Edit:TLDR. WORDS HAVE MEANINGS AND EFFECT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. Crazy right?
Incredibly well written comment, thank you
@@tomjohnson4822 Wow how could you say that to me? You have no idea how damaging you are right now. You better apologize for this in 10 years. You cant ever know because you arent me, but just trust me youve caused me serious damage. Your intent means nothing
isn’t it possible he is just genuinely reflecting on his past and how he’s dealt with it? Like Charlie says “this wasn’t so damaging that his career would be over” but maybe he just genuinely feels bad in his own opinion and wants to reflect. You don’t always need an exterior motive to apologize. Idk maybe i’m crazy
Nah man I 100% agree with you. I like Charlie but this video was kinda weird
yeah, charlie is a human though and everyone is entitled to their opinion
In the internet? People always assume more untrue than anything that there's an ulterior motive when apologizing.
Has his girlfriend taken over? Like is he going to become Steve shives ? Jk, I shudder just typing that guys name.
For real! Most people have actually forgotten about IDubbz, so that just further proves that he wasn’t just doing damage control, he genuinely feels bad and wants to make amends.
I feel like Charlie's coming at it from a perspective of Idubbz "needing" to make an apology, but he didn't have to. He wanted to, and I think its extremely mature for him to acknowledge his past content, openly move on from it, and be clear to his fans that never grew up that its cringe as fuck to stay in that 2016 era
Pretty spot on. If you knoe the atrioc situation, it's like when people defended him. He didn't want people to do that because he knew what he did was bad and wanted to hold himself accountable. So it's not really a question of whether or not they needed to.
Agree completely. People have taken Ian's agency away from him, portraying him as if he's simply doing what some other external cultural force has "made" him do, when I think there's no evidence of that all.
Nailed it. I wouldn’t even say it’s the content itself he’s apologizing for, at least from what I’ve seen so far, but more the culture his content created. He was pretty much the face of internet edginess, and a lot of people, specifically people who were in middle school/high school at that time, picked up his humor and ran with it. Even though a lot of those people have moved on, grew up, and no longer hold those views, there is still a sizeable portion who haven’t, and still act that way, and constantly shittalk Ian because he no longer makes that type of content. I completely understand why Ian would come out and make this video. You can still feel the effect his content had online to this day.
What's more cringe is being in the 2023 radical leftist era
@@JJMcCulloughhi JJ I luv you!!
No one was trying to go after him. He just apologized and changed cause he regretted it. This is genuine.
he grew a small and petty person, he regressed
Lol
@@jujuteuxOfficial facts
Yeah, I am sure that his business and his girlfriend have nothing to do with it.
I think he is genuinely confused
If you're able to cringe at your past self, that means you've grown. That's a good thing.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
@@nickbrowning3270 bro thinks hes a sith lord💀
No, it means you've changed. That doesn't necessarily mean "grown".
When I cringe at my past self I wonder if I’ll always be cringey, just growing to recognize the past and not noticing the present, which is terrifying
@@brunemmm it's a joke goofball
Charlie is acting like this apology video was made directly for him lol
Well, to be fair. He did put Situation in the title. But lol
I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced
@@Homer92 yeah it does feel like that might be why Charlie is having this defensive sort of response
Yeah I think this must be hitting a little close to home for Charlie... It sounds like - I could be wrong. - he's almost defending himself in some way
@@Homer92 you really need to stop projecting your thoughts on people you don't know besides what they post on the internet.
Tbh as a black person and someone who was a young teen watching his videos it didn’t really bother me that much what he was saying. It didn’t change me as a person or anything it was just videos on the internet. I feel like most people are so hypocritical when it comes to this stuff. Most of you find it fine when shows like family guy and South Park make some really racist and messed up jokes. But when it’s someone you can actually see and blame them you’re all against it.
Well the difference is when racism is portrayed in something like sout Park it's typically ridiculed, or the concept of it is mocked. Such as the episode where randy says the n word.
Idubbbz on the other hand didn't portray these things in a subversive manner, the joke was often just the racism.
Obviously your opinion is just as valid as mine, just my thoughts on the situation
@@Nexter-Lie that’s fair everyone has their own views, I personally don’t feel idubbz was or is racist it was just the jokes he was making but of the same people think hes racist when he really wasn’t. Only part that bothers me tho is penguinZ making a video on his apology trying to dismiss everything he said I don’t feel it was needed
Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.
The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves
Lmao "grew up". This dude is in his 30s, and the content we're talking about was 6-7 years ago.
@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.
@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.
@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude.
Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?
imo as long as the apology is sincere, there’s no reason for anyone but idubbbz to decide whether it was necessary or not. it was his own choice to make based on his personal growth. also, the impact of idubbbz old videos was very real, regardless of intent, and to minimize that fact is harmful
It's a free country. If people want to criticize a decision they can. Just like Idubbz was free to apologize Charlie is also able to criticize that decision. I feel like Idubbz apology comes off as moral grandstanding. To me personally. That's just my opinion which I'm allowed to have. As I said free country.
I've been on RUclips for years but I really never watched any idubbz videos, can you tell me what kind of impact he had back then ? Like, what was his content like ? I just need some sort of context as to why he would need to apologize and be brought up into drama after many years.
Pewdiepie to this day hasn’t acknowledged this lmao
@@DarchrowTheEnigma He was essentially the stereotype of "edgy" in like 2015-2018. He would call out people who were being shitty to others. He would say really profane things but not from a place of hate but for the sake of being edgy. An example was his content cop on leafy. Leafy was essentially a commentary channel and he would bully random people and kids on the internet. He would say all sorts of cruel and hurtful shit even for like 2016. So Idubbz made a video basically calling leafy out for being a bully and making fun of him the same way he would to others. Idubbz can choose to apologize and feel bad about the content he made but I very much feel like charlie here that some words he used may not have been the best but he wasn't the harbinger of hatred and bigotry that he was making himself out to be.
@@andrewesau51 💯
Idubbz is another Ethan Klein, imo. His content stagnated and this is a way to keep himself relevant.
Watching him desperately try to convince the internet that he’s fine with his girlfriend’s OnlyFans is disturbing, too. She’s the reason for this apology, if you ask me. When you see them on videos together it’s like he has Stockholm syndrome. He’s got the same tattoos as she does. She also answers any questions he’s asked, whilst he sits there looking like a scolded puppy. She’s a wannabe breadtuber, and he’s dutifully copying her attitude; because he’s cucked.
It’s pathetic, frankly.
If that's how iDubbbz truly feel, then he has every right to apologize. And it's up to the community that would be affected by his content who can truly accept or reject his apology. At the end of the day, the apology video is only for those who was negatively affected by his old content.
He’s just in damage control mode from banning froggy. This is how he’s furthering his justification for it. Nothing he said was that bad, he never called someone a slur. He literally only said the words to make fun of people who used them, or in a context where he was saying the words just to point out they shouldn’t have any power over people, and all words are okay to use, and only hateful intent is bad
@@feefeedee9865 you gotta be brain dead to think all this is just a distraction from froggy 😭
@@femboyfoxfurry2603 the timing of the apology was. He’s been backpedaling for years now. Ever since he married that one girl and took her last name, he’s been a broken man. Just a virgin who got trapped by a snake - sadly
If you were "negatively affected by his old content", you don't belong on the Internet.
I'm brown, I use edgy humor all the time...what now cuck?
I honestly feel like back then, idubbbz just got more and more edgy cause his community would push him and he either never stopped out of fear of losing his audience or just being desensitized
I mean still his fault you could stop at any moment using racism for clout is kind of a poopy move
@@ANationalguy I never said it was good, I’m just saying that there could be another reason than being edgy for the sake of being edgy
@@a7x_nomadiceagle482 Don’t really care if there’s another reason, Doesn’t really change what he did
Or maybe it was funny.
grow up@@ANationalguy
Why did you omit the parts where he brought up situations involving his past harassment of Tana and how he hurt some minorities in his community? Like when he mentioned a trans person who is a fan of his going up to him and saying "I know you probably don't like trans people, but can I have your autograph?" Really, Charlie? I think you missed the whole point of his video.
That says more about the Trans person actually. So she judged someone who wasn't anti trans
In terms of Tana she was known for saying the n word herself so yes a comedian doing something like that is only something all sorts of comedians do. Def no reason to apologize to Tana of all people.
Because it didnt benefit his point
For real. I normally love Charlie's videos but this one was just extremely out of touch and missing the point. I hope he's able to look at the criticism of this video and recognize that it really was not the right move to make it.
@@SM-nz9ff i think it says more about the fear trans people face when coming up to others.
people are so hateful to that community, existing in this world as a trans person is a scary thing. there’s something called the “trans panic defense,” which has held up in court..
@@SM-nz9ff For one, do you know what era of RUclips that was when Ian was an edgy asshole? He was calling people the f-slur left and right, so that trans person probably thought that he would also call them an f-slur. How are you so dense as to not get that? Also, what does Tana saying the n word when she was a teenager have to do with some random dude you didn't know harassing you in public, even if it was for the purpose of criticizing her? You're not doing a good job defending past Ian, and I'm pretty sure he'd clown you for this exact reason. Like that is such a mentally [redacted] argument lol
Let’s be honest, idubbbz made vids that essentially advocated for the use of slurs. Kids at my school would literally quote his vids to justify their use of these words, so I get why idubbbz feels like he should apologize.
this is exactly how it was at my highschool 5 years ago as well.
I think what makes me skeptical is why now? No one has really brought up his past or called him racist at least en masse, it's been a few years since he's been like that but why is he apologizing about it now and not when he was trying to transition his content? To me it seems like he's deflecting people are criticizing him for the way he is now and all the creator clash drama and not wanting to take accountability, he should be apologizing for that and trying to make up with those guys. It's good that he'll be donating to help people who could be affected by things like slurs amongst other things but it really feels like a hey look at the shiny thing and not the mess over here
No. He advocated for context over content. It was right then and is right now. If people misrepresent that for their own nefarious purposes then they willfully CHANGE the context. Thus its still right.
Our future selves disappointed at our past selves just per usual. **Cough** Yes this is my projection.
just because you say nigger doesn't mean you're racist.
There was a really sad part of the video where he talked about an interaction he had with a trans fan. The fan assumed he wouldn’t like them because of it, but still wanted a picture, and he said that was a major wake up call because he realized that not only was his perception among others, that’s what others were getting out of his content. I think that’s the core of what this video was about, and I think it’s true
right!! that part of the video was so important. weird thst charlie cut it out
That's incredible. Good on him for owning up to it, I respect that a lot. I can't believe people are shitting on him for this now.
@@whckmaybe shows how Charlie doesn’t understand the reason why Ian is apologizing. I don’t think Charlie understands how harmful casual racism & bigotry can be.
@@plasmanip3998 I mean, why would he? Most (not all obviously) white people are casually racist every day without even realizing it. It’s so intertwined with society that people don’t care. Like Charlie calling it being “edgy” is crazy enough lol. Being racist isn’t edgy it’s racist.
@@xjadasimsxexcept when it’s against white ppl. Nah save ur shit intent matters
this apology feels like a good closure for idubbbz and his past. if he felt this video was necessary then so be it.
He should have explored his feelings of Imposter syndrome with a licensed professional, not trauma dump on the internet what a evil monster!?! he used to be and how everything he used to make was EVUL*tm* ontologically.
And pretty much saying the people he made videos on were like.. beyond reproach?
What other take is there really
Nah yall are just too sensitive now and need to make everyone feel like they can’t make a joke
Basically, for me this video is the same as like if he would say he would stop making videos and follow other paths. This just close the iDubzz channel. And what will be next woll not be iDubbzz
@@saramwaqas sensitive to what? Racism?
Yes I agree. Thanks some could verbally explain what I couldnt put to words. Thank you mister/misses.
Idubbbz once criticized Tana for saying "the context of the n word doesn't matter, using it is still racist" while also saying that casual racism is still racism.
I dont see a contradion. Idubbbz was never casually racist. He never judged anyone based on the color of their skin or tried to say anything remotely racist. He just used words that are considered "racist" back then because he had views about the topic that he no longer holds
@@ballisticbiscuit5706 Well yes I'm not saying he was racist or anything, it's just that he critizised Tana for saying that the n word is always racist reguardless of the context but then claimed in his video that him just saying the n word was racist. I just find it strange that he would grow to think this way when he was right before.
@@davoohm2779 Oh, i see now and yeah I agree
Alternate title: I Can Excuse Racism, but I Draw the Line at Animal Cruelty.
lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes
When was idubbz racist though lol
@@greensabr200 a good vhunk of his youtube career 🙄
@@allybrookeaf79 so everyone who ever used the word cracker is also racist
@@greensabr200 you win the award for dumbest question asked in a RUclips comment section
As a black person that grew up watching idubbz, I understand yet question some of Charlie's points. I found enjoyment watching his content cops and i do believe they called out people where they were wrong. However, I feel that his use of slurs led me to grow up thinking it was okay. It led me to accept a lot of racism from people as I didn't think it was wrong. I think Ian's impact on young viewers led many to echo this rhetoric in their daily lives, though im sure many people matured out of it as the internet changed. I think it was entirely fine that Idubbz felt the need to officially address his past content. Charlies critisms didn't feel necessary. It can be easy to label the use of slurs as not offensive "shock factor" humor when they aren't targeted towards you.
Edit: i dont think idubbz is a bad person, i was a fan growing up and i support him changing as a person.
thank you for putting this out there, because i had the same sentiments and didn't really know how to express them.
fully agree
Go back to da cotton field
So, what's your point then? You were not offended, nobody else was offended, everybody got some laughs out of that and just moved on with their lives. But these days everyone seems to rethinking every single word they read/hear, getting butthurt and offended every time someone says "nigga" or "cracker" or "fatty" or whatever, and cries about that on the internet. What the f*ck have happened to the internet I loved so much in early 2000s?! No stupid self-censorship, everybody openly told what they though, and nobody was butthurt all the time. It seems that society have lost balls and get weak af.
Exactly, plus honestly, Charlie isn't really the target audience that idubzz apologized to, so its weird to me that he tries to make it about himself
Of course you don’t see the scope of the damage Idubbz had because you’re not on the receiving end.
uhh uhh muh mean words
i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here.
this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it).
You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was.
you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago.
be realistic.
@@infoscrolls Preteen youtube commenter doesn't think bigotry is real. More news at 11.
Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively
@@vindikaktus cope
At the end of the day he feels like he made a mistake and is man enough to admit that
It was still racist and the edgy excuse is not enough
What an unbelievably stupid take to have on the RARE occasion someone tries to take responsibility for their shitty behavior
i feel like ur going on the opposing side now, its his audience that responsible for their own actions ur arguing that art belongs only to the author when as soon as its created it isnt people will do whatever with it and that's on them.
@@sometimeslol5578 bro that doesn't even make sense
Nothing shitty about being funny
@@StuffAndMemes *Nothing funny about being shitty. Fixed the typo for you, bud.
@@lumenla refer to the concept of "death of the author"
It's not your apology to accept man. It takes balls to accept that you may be part of the problem and he did that. As someone who watched his videos when i was a preteen i genuinely thought saying slurs was okay. intent does not matter he was setting a bad example regardless. Slurs make people feel unsafe/uncomfortable.
Them, not the newer generation. We're trying to break that mold. Why do you want to perpetuate boomer problems?
Slurs make people feel unsafe/uncomfortable but they really shouldn't. Not unless the person in question is a kindergartener.
@@fandyus4125 if I'm walking down the street and someone calls me a slur I'm going to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. if I hear someone saying slurs in a hateful way I am going to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. on the flip side, if I hear someone reclaiming a slur, then that's their own right and that's cool too. it's not all black and white dawg
@@L-Bird-s3r lol, gtfo. The newer generation has zero concern about using slurs and hateful rhetoric against those they consider their political/ideological opponents.
A lot of people from that time forget that these slurs meant nothing when they were being used. Slurs only make people uncomfortable when they've been taught to feel uncomfortable hearing them, and that shouldn't ever be normalised. Part of the reason they are so common on the internet is specifically because people give those words too much attention in person.
Trying to pretend these slurs are genuinely harmful is giving power to meaningless letter combinations and breaths of air for no reason other than to refuse solving a bigger problem.
It's like using medication to survive debris from a penetration wound, but refusing to remove the debris. The problem never ends if you don't address it.
It's kinda weird to critique someone simply telling us how they feel.
THIS‼️‼️‼️‼️ agree so much!
Well, if you post a public video of yourself on the internet, you are asking for people to critique you
It's kinda weird how so many people in your age group all say the same exact things in the same exact way
if you feel like a bitch then I think criticism is fair.
@@hwabag7 obviously. And ofc there will also be people criticizing the critiques. That is the interest lol
Why did people hate this video? Charlie was right
Mentally ill twitter users have brigaded it, the average person doesn't think like this
@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.
Leftoids and black people hate this video because they worship idubbbz new "grown up humour" and liberal anti racist ARC.
IDubbbz making an apology while looking like an 80s movie cop was pretty funny lmao.
Dude is looking kinda rough, like a cross between a deep-Appalachian redneck and your average overnight gas station clerk
Kurtis Connor twin
@@bluz1864 Yuh
80's GAY PORN movie cop.
Hey, the moviecop community is now seriously hurt. Please dont make fun of them. I demand an apology.
I’ll miss the food reviews in the sewer the most.
He confirmed he’ll still be doing them in the pinned comment of his apology I’m pretty sure
YOU BITE THE PEACH THE PEACH BITES BACK
@@Keurgui1 THE PICKLES
@@Keurgui1 lmaoo
Haha classic.
I've only heard of this guy, but I'm glad he made a proactive apology. I heard you say "It doesn't strike me as..." a lot in this video, but you're not the one he offended (whether intentional or not).
"I've only ever heard of this guy..." so STFU? How can you possibly make a judgement here.
U should try watching his content , and I mean actually watch it before trying to find faults in Charlie's argument....or not
@@ibadrizvi5740 I take it your trying to refer to the fact that some of Idubbbz' current content is allegedly "edgy," but like, its not racist edgy, you know that, right? (I've also heard it alleged that the Froggy Fresh guy is lying about how behind the scenes stuff unfolded, but I don't know, I... don't watch Idubbbz' content, but I have watched some of this unfold and its *obvious* that the people taking a strictly anti-Idubbbz' position do so because they've got an agenda, especially whenever they claim Anisa is "controlling" him and "making him act like an SJW" when she was the one holding the fucking camera when he dropped the n-bomb on Tana lmao.)
I actually watched his content growing up and his edgy use of slurs never striked me as hate speech, he would always use slurs as some kind of exclamation point or a way to finish off a joke. I was old enough (13-14) to understand that it was satire and dark edgy humour so idk about the younger audience. It just feels weird seeing him put down ALL of his content like he is a ex-war criminal while most of his old work was very informative on other content creators despite the edgy humour
You probably never heard of iDubbbz either. He isn't denouncing his old content because it was offensive. It's because he wants to please his abusive wife.
When I was a kid being shown idubbbz videos from classmates, it made me and other people feel okay to say things that hurt others, the people that were hurt then, is who idubbbz is apologizing to, not his fans, the people affected by his impact.
me too. ive been very proud of myself to have grown into the person I am now, and it's made me pretty happy to see him come out and admit the same while condemning his past behaviour that we all used to justify our own.
Well said
Which is really unfortunate. Most of the harm done wasn't by Ian himself, it was done by kids and teens who lacked parental engagement in their lives. And this isn't me saying that you are or were stupid, but that kids are stupid. Kids don't have high concept functionality, kids tend to take things at face value and go along with things. What we are seeing with Ian is the adults in the room knowing that he isn't responsible for parents neglecting their children, and a bunch of very young adults blaming Ian for their decisions as children who simply couldn't know any better and who didn't have parents teaching their kids values.
It is not up to the rest of the world to intuit the values of invisible children they don't know even exist who aren't being raised by their parents. Let me put it this way. If a parent allows their child to spend the parent's money on a video game that is made for, marketed to, and rated for adults, is it the video game company's fault for raising a kid who isn't acting properly? Or is it the parent's fault for not paying attention and not being involved in their child's life.
Any adult could tell you back then that you shouldn't have been watching his content, that it was for adults only. I disagree with a great many things Ian has said and done both past and present, but as an adult both back then and now, I don't place him on this impossible pedestal that no one can ever hope to achieve like you seem to placed him on. Those people you hurt could have not been hurt simply by your parents instilling you with values. You were a kid, kids do stupid things, but you shouldn't blame strangers who don't even know you exist for your actions as an individual, child or adult, that just isn't right.
It is ok to say those things depending on context.
he didn't make content for children, if I'm 11 and watch django and then go around saying the n word its because I'm a dumb child not because of a movie
This feels like a generational difference more than anything. Like Charlie was well outta the schooling system before Ian came on the scene. You wouldn't know how bad it got unless you were there
Then that's a parental failure thing.
I agree a lot of kids were influenced by Ian's behavior
@@nameymcnameface1834 Claiming it's a parental fault when children are allowed without their parents in school is ridiculous.
It's not the parent of child A's problem when child B starts saying slurs because of some content they saw and child A starts picking up on that same habit.
@@cwjdog57 A parent cant put messages into their kid so that they know saying slurs is bad? Do you not understand how parenting works?
I wasn't, and it didn't. You are blaming video games for violence, boomer.
This generation is so damn soft
Yes wtf. I can't believe the soyness in here
It's soft to not have racism normalized? You boomers are such clowns
God forbid people not having the same humor as me.
Holy shit I know. I’ve been scrolling through and it’s just hordes of perma-online people.
Wow, its almost like he addressed the fact that you can do harm regardless of your intentions IN THE VIDEO
What harm? Did he shoot someone? Death threats with validity? Stab? If people got harmed over words, they got some actual growth and maturing to do. I’m not excusing him being “mean” if he was being authentic but if it was funny edgy humor, then you all need to get over yourselves and laugh at yourselves.
lol
@@Devin7Eleven damaging someone's mental wellbeing with words 'can' be harmful. Is it always? No. But if you contributed to ruining someone's self worth, that's harmful. Even if it wasn't your intent.
@d-7113 he cultivated a community of dickheads who think its ok to call people slurs. He made racists more comfortable expressing their verbal bile. If you see someone verbally abusing another person and you blame the victim for being emotionally affected by that abuse, you are an anti-social, apathetic loser. Have some humanity you prick. It's the cunts who think it's ok to resurrect dehumanising, degrading terms for their own putrid entertainment that have "some actual growth and maturing to do".
Tldr: grow up
@d-7113 the harm was cultivating a fan base that would literally commit hate crimes 😭😭 I like Idubbz but every content creator is responsible for the community they create
Idubbz: I made this content with hate in my heart. I'm sorry.
Charlie: *I* don't think his content seemed hateful...
Charlie: "it was normal to say that back then"
Bruh, is Charlie okay? How'd he come up with such a horrid take? Dude's logic in this video is so flawed 💀💀💀💀
That’s what makes this so dumb is that Ian is straight up saying “I made this content to be hateful. It garnered a hateful audience” about his OWN content and intentions and Charlie and many others are saying “well no I don’t think so”
I don't like strawbe-
No, you do.
@@A1phaz0ne it was normal though, I'm pansexual and I agree with that take.
Because he doesnt want his comment section to be be like that apology video
Idubbz is the only person I actually believe has changed.
It’s unfortunate. If anyone was actually offended by him they should either stop watching or grow tf up.
Try being a minority in a country outside North America. I promise we ain’t that bad compared to everyone else 😂
Not sure what Charlie was saying here, if the man wants to make an apology video that’s a valid enough reason to, intention doesn’t excuse outcome and if he can see that the videos were by nature malicious based on their effects on others then more power to him
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Lmao you think he made the apology ? Or was it the onlyfans thot that turned him into ethan klien 2.0
@@AliHamza-sv4ni This is hilarious when you realize Idubbz and Ethan were always together in their edgelord humor stuff. They've both grown past that.
@@AliHamza-sv4nistop babying ian, hes a grown man with self autonomy
@@AliHamza-sv4ni I couldn't help but laugh at this comment. Sorry everyone
Charlie, it's good we know you've never stepped inside a school zone after you graduated. Because his videos definitely affected those kids
People need to realize this more tbh
Is it cuz I’m high as shit or did that make no sense
exactly like he definitely influenced me & im black , & i had a ton of white “friends” online who he influenced to say all these slurs bro what is charlie talking about
I wouldn't call it growth to call your old content nothing but hurtful and cruel while still making videos that are basically just laughing at someone for being overweight.
@@venusgrl444 They probably would have been racist without Idubbz.
Going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Charlie. I agree that he didn’t HAVE to make an apology. I think he wanted to make one, which is great! Good for him. But yes his style of humor has an impact. I was in middle school during that time period and kids looked up to personalities like his and used that humor against other people.
then you should blame them and not the old idubz. It's like providing guns to the masses, gun is dangerous but it's up to the individual to use it for self defense/security or crime. another one is WWE where they hv warning to not imitate them, but you'll still see some kids imitate them leading to death, you can't blame WWE for providing violent entertainment, and even lil ol me back then wasn't dumb enough to imitate something dangerous. so yeah I think it's still up to the individual for what they do, if those ppl used the word to degrade/shame/bully other ppl, then it just means they are inherently bad ppl, no matter from where they learned the words from, as simple as that.
@@whitedrone4698 you missed the point. your gun example isnt entirely accurate. idubbz didnt give anyone guns and let them choose how to use em, he had one himself and then showed how he used it. (if we go based off of your analogy metpahor whatever)
because of the sheer amount of his fanbase and how parasocial relationships work, people looked up to him and copied him and the way he acted. the way he acted was harmful, and then there were a bunch of people doing the same harmful shit he did. its like giving someone a gun and then committing a crime, and not expecting ppl who look up to you to do the same because they see it as Acceptable Role Model Behavior.
@@whitedrone4698 the individual is still at fault, but you have to think about where they learned the behavior from and how the behavior was treated in the content. wwe is consensual, wwe gives a warning not to imitate them. idubbz did not.
@@whitedrone4698 nope, he's a grown man. he's responsible for the impact of the media he creates in bad faith and posts publicly. he inspired an entire era of bigots and racist teenagers.
@@whitedrone4698Ok but in your gun analogy, if idubbbz would have sent his 13 yo fans guns and someone would have committed a crime with it, obviously he would also be partly to blame. (At least in most countries)
People being mad at Charlie for this is the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in a while, y’all need to log off Twitter
Charlie is the one being pathetic. 🤡
You blindly follow him.
Charlie the issue wasn’t the intent, it was what he perceived the effect his content was having. You keep harping on “I don’t think Idubbz ever had racist beliefs it was just shock value” he never said he did, he expected that people would perceive his intent and know it’s all a joke, but a lot of people didn’t, that was his main gripe, not the intent, but the effects.
Yeah because we totally had more racists from idubbbz videos lol
Basically Charlie is implicitly saying he doesn't think saying the n word has a terrible effects if the speaker has no intent for hate or cruelty, it's just cringe.
I don't think his content was having that much of an impact. What it did was just give racists another platform or forum to speak. They would automatically run somewhere else if he wasn't like how he was before
It didn't necessarily create a whole generation of racists. There's a reason why there's a lot of people who watched him in this comment section didn't turn out like those who watched his videos and said the n word
Ah yes because people making jokes using slurs was an invention Ian made. Oh wait
"he expected that people would perceive his intent and know it’s all a joke, but a lot of people didn’t, that was his main gripe, not the intent, but the effects."
You can never control anyone else's point of view on subjects. You can't beat yourself up over someone else's interpretation of your life or your content, especially in comedy where shock has and always will be a tool of the trade.
His influence was actually more severe than you may believe. As someone who loved his videos at the time, it certainly affected my behaviour and what I deemed ‘acceptable’ as an impressionable teenager. Now obviously there is blame due on my part, but I can confidently say I was not the only person that age influenced by the ‘edgy’ creators of the time due to the attitude of normality.
Most people aren’t a sheep. Just because you were gay as a teen isn’t a reflection on what kind of content should be made in good moral standing
By that same metric then rap/hip-hop needs to stop idolizing thug/gangster culture.
@@Alfenheimer zero correlation to the point being made
@@Alfenheimer if eomeone knocked on your head you would hear an echo
@@Alfenheimer it should. You here old/big rappers like snoop dogg and Kendrick Lamar talking about how the newer rap and audience is focused on the wrong things. Listen to Eminem’s “sing for the moment” and take in the lyrics
Yall are being so dramatic in this comment section💀
He definetly did negatively impact a generation of early teens. Cuz a lot of young, Impresionable dudes were watching a guy who made good content, also normalise use of slurs.
Bro I was called a n-ggerf-ggot all the time because of iDubbbz back in high school. Not just that but students would go out of their way to find me and make fun of me for being “different”. The dude normalized bigotry. Some of the guys who were iDubbbz fans in high school ended up harassing me as adults to the point where I had to get police involved. I’m 22 now.
@@Cobble01im sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately idubbz would say these things for shock value but anyone who actually watched his videos would pretty quickly realize that he never actually spreaded bigoted messages. Unfortunately a lot of his viewers weren’t smart to realize this and just his use of the words was enough for them to have ammunition. Just remember though, that these kids who harassed you would have done so regardless of what idubbz may have said
@Cobble01 That sucks, dude. I'm sorry. Hopefully, they didn't call you things like "p-ssy re-ard" or "J-zz junkie." That'd be hurtful. Good luck, mate.
@@JamesBarton-Johns Actually no, I’m pretty confident they were all directly influenced by iDubbbz and any similar RUclipsrs at the time. Hate is learned. I wasn’t even extraordinarily different - I was a black, skinny, quiet kid. Their favorite RUclipsr taught them making fun of minorities was acceptable behavior and they grew with that mentality into adulthood.
@@Cobble01 once again. Im sorry that happened to you. But I just want to point out that idubbz never spread any kind of hateful message. He definitely said certain slurs too much, but he never actually preached hate against any group of people. These kids that copied his words already had that hate in them. I actually liked idubbz during that time and that never translated to me harassing anyone in person or online. But hearing one guy say n***** f***** didn’t make he hate gay black people suddenly.
And none of this makes it okay to say things like that and obviously too many of his viewers were too stupid but I always just saw it as shock value/ satirical
Dude feels guilty, it’s obvious he really regrets his behavior from the past and I understand his desire to distance himself. It’s healthy to reflect on your past behavior and want to change what you don’t like. That’s literally maturing.
He built his entire career on making fun of people. If he really regretted his actions he would shut up and let people make fun of him. Instead he spat his dummy out and demanded that everyone stops making fun of him now because he decided he doesn't want to do that anymore.
Yeah, I don't get Charlie's reasoning in this video. Ian definitely DID do harm. Using slurs like that are innately harmful, it normalizes using them, so of course it is harmful towards the people who the slur is about. I know that sounds "woke" or whatever, but it is honestly just.. true. It was cruel. Plus Charlie seems to forget that he used to target unknown people on Kickstarter, not just youtubers.
Nothing you've said disagrees with anything Charlie said or what iDubbbz said. You've added nothing.
Thing is that he's embarassed about it and completely bends over, mooning his asshole to the twitter mobs because he's too frail to stand by his past content. Plus, the sole reason he's here right now, us talking about him and everything is because of the way he was back then. It was and still is entertaining. So he's basically just hating on us fans for liking it and then hating himself for doing it. Condemning the reason he's famous.
@@becz9485 even though he didn't say it ina hateful context
I hate that I've kind of known that this is the underlying ideology of Charlie and his fans, but I'm really happy to see that even if he hasn't grown in his big age, his fans have and have proven me wrong. Big oof.
Even though this is quite the horrible take, I’m very glad that from what I can tell, quite a lot of these comments are saying why it’s a bad take for Charlie to say this and are explaining why. Kind of sad this is how Charlie thinks and is pretty childish and this isn’t something he should even speak about cause it didn’t really affect him at all. It’s easy to not care about something that does not affect you ya know. Glad many people are pointing this out and that they were happy there was an apology because of how they were affected by it in the past.
@@jackaryyy there is a difference between someone calling out behavior they do, and someone _7 years later_ apologizing for bad content they made in their early twenties in the mid 2010s because they thought racism was funny. thats not hypocrisy thats fucking learning and growing as a person over time.
@@jackaryyy to add on to what Jules said, Ian didn’t erase or private all evidence of his past content, he /unlisted/ it. it’s still there, just unlisted so that it can’t interact with the youtube algorithm or reach new people. Ian has grown as a person and shown clear signs of it and i, someone who was actually affected by the ramifications of his old content, really appreciate his apology.
@@jackaryyy I think that it's important to realise that using immature and hurtful language can be used by others to undermine the good points he did make. He's also criticising the aspect of him using racism=funny and the impact of some of the content cops spreading more hate than could be justified. Plus I'd wager a decent margin of the fans of said content who didn't grow past that phase have gone from ironic racism (saying NF for laughs) to unironic racism.
I've known since his awful BP2 review. I got 20 seconds into the video and literally said aloud "this man has a shit grasp on race relations, black history and culture, and the themes of this movie overall." And then I hit unsub.
Situation aside, I’m glad to see that unlike other fanbases, Charlie’s can actually think for themselves and go against his opinion. It’s even better that the majority of the criticism isn’t toxic or hateful, just constructive.
Civility is not always a virtue
@@officaldungeons ok
truly! with the exception of those who straight up can’t accept that having the opinion of “ian should take accountability and it’s good he reflected on himself”, charlie’s audience is very capable of calling out nuances that charlie has left out. it’s soooo refreshing
Yeah. He really isnt the kind of person who would see the impact he thinks isnt there. I hope he listens to his fanbse
Well said
I think one thing you're not recognising Charlie is that he's spoken about this before. How he's met certain people from his audience and how unhinged they were and how much of a realisation that was for him. If I was in his shoes, I'd probably apologise just like he has.
wow meeting 5 weird people to put the entire audience in the same box. -5 IQ
Charlie literally spoke about that in the video
@@iamreallynotsorry my bad
The thing is, no one was asking for an apology
@@excuseme2770they shouldn’t have to
I disagree with the weaklings that think this is a bad take. I think it is nuanced, and compassionate. If you are offended, you are the type to race bait, and stoke the flames of racial hatred. Idubbbz seems like he's being brainwashed, and it's sad. It was a moment in time where he might have made the wrong choices, but it was funny to a certain extent. It may be offensive, but that is how humor works. If you can't see that, you should just take a seat and keep your whining to yourself.
Yeah, im gonna have to disagree, i lost a friend in hs due to bullying and i can remember many of the bullies would pull some sort of idubbz or other "edgy" youtuber quote as an excuse or reason who they shouldnt feel guilty. I think this apology was rightful as he made the choice and it wasnt a false forced apology.
I feel like this argument keeps popping up time and time again. Video games cause violence or that rap causes gang activity.
I don’t know man. Those guys are just assholes for the sake of being assholes.
I don’t think Frank or Idubbbz made them into bullies. I watched a lot of edgy content on RUclips. And I’ve never bullied anyone so did my friends.
@@Somethingaweful most child bullies never actually wanted to hurt anybody and I’m sure they definitely didn’t want anyone to commit suicide if that’s what the original comment was implying. As somebody who watched idubbbz edgier content while I was still in school, he very much did turn these things into “no big deal” at least for me. So while “assholes for the sake of being assholes” maybe they wouldn’t have thought their behavior was okay if it wasn’t so normalized.
@@fart63 exactly, im sure looking back they deeply regret it but at the time it was so normalized, and it did GREATLY effect people.
interesting that we rag on bad youtuber apologies but when someone apologizes genuinely it's suddenly "nah why are they doing that" 🗿
Right? 80% of Charlie’s past videos are ragging on bad RUclipsrs but as soon as someone is genuine he switches up too??
It wasn't genuine lmao. If it it was genuine those old videos of his would not still be on his channel. It's also super convenient that Idubbbz suddenly matured as soon as RUclips started cracking down on type of content he used to make, don't you think?
@@me-vx4wi idubbbz has been acting like this for a good few years. And it wasn’t all that sudden of a shift
@@fart63 And RUclips has also been cracking down on that style of content for a few years as well, so that point means nothing. RUclips started cracking down on that style of content around 2017/2018 (I forget which year it was, but I know it was one of them), which happens to line up really well with when he made the last content cop.
He literally says that he respects idubbbz for apologizing though
If he’s uncomfortable he should apologize. That’s what you should do.
Idubbz is right, you shouldn’t ever be mean even if it’s for comedic purposes. YT should be a safe space for all people and no one should have freedom of speech.
@@MikeOcksmallClips I agree being hateful is never the answer
@@MikeOcksmallClips freedom of speech means the government can’t censor you, how are you slur-desperate weirdos STILL not understanding this?
@@emilydeze9930 so if someone was trying to kill you and your family, you wouldn't be hateful towards them?
@@xTheBOISxwhy would you choose to hate someone. becoming blinded by hate in that scenario would leave you senseless and crazy. And this is a stupid scenario you chose, everyone would react emotionally since you're at a chance of losing an emotional attachment, it's a normal human reaction. But it is not ok to hate others regardless, you can live a happier life without hate.
He isn't doing it for you Charlie he's doing it for himself.
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Yeah he is ruining his life sure
@@KiwiHavok777 charlie's take was dumb but not life ruining bro relax
@@inmyhead00 Lmfao 💀
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Penguinz0 fans having their own opinions (which i agree with) is very heartwarming.
Yep. Shows this fanbase is capable of critical thinking which is a great thing
Start of the fall.
@@epicshibexd5049 I guarantee you aren’t over 15
It shows his fanbase are cowards
Waa Waa Waa slurs mwake me swad 🥺
When he tells the story of a trans fan of his believing he hated trans people, but asking for a pic with him anyway, honestly if that happened to me I would feel like a POS and I would make an apology just off that. Maybe he feels so bad that he felt compelled to make huge amends.
Yeah idk why Charlie didn’t bring that up
I mean a lot of people don't like TIMs and TIFs so it shouldn't have been that big of a shock to him to hear that lol
@@JackTheBunny tf is a TIM and TIF
@@JackTheBunny of course. We already know many people are transphobic.
@@codyseus4787 I think they mean FtM and MtF* respectively
Cool to see that Charlies fans are willing to call him out, for a while it seemed like he's been reaching blind worship status. Glad thats not the case.
It's very concerning that so many people are cool with idhubbz apology. He didn't do anything wrong, he was never hateful, he has nothing to apologize for. He voiced his opinion on a number of topics, he made good points, and he never criticized anyone or went after anyone that didn't deserve it. idubzzs has nothing to apologize for. He didn't do anything wrong.
@@happilyham6769 Congratulations on your transition!
Same, when I finished the video and opened up the comments I was pleasantly surprised by all the people who were actually thinking for themselves rather that just agreeing completely
@@happilyham6769 saying the n word is wrong lmfao
@@happilyham6769 ok, but ur not to tell idubbz what he should and shouldn’t do. U don’t get to decide what can and can’t hurt him. 🙁
I think it's weird you cut out the part about the interaction he had with a fan who thought he hated trans people. He saw the community he had built and saw how they perceived him. Just because you knew better doesn't mean the army of 14 year Olds watching his shit back then did.
Yeah, it’s the Florida in Charlie I guess, that was the most important part of the video and Charlie didn’t bring it up
Charlie doesn't give a shit about trans people, he's blind af when it comes to anything pertaining to civil liberties. I enjoy his vids, but he's average floridaman fr
Maybe Charlie thought bringing it up would have invalidated this whole ass video he made
Yeah I thought that was so important to idubbz thinking, it was his wake up moment. The most impactful part of the video honestly I felt that
100%
I feel like this isn’t a real thing and this is some sort of bad dream because I have never seen someone not accept an apology because they didn’t think the apology was needed
you've never once in your life said "sorry", then someone told you that you don't need to apologize? I thought that was something everyone goes thru at least once ya know
There are not needed apologies, and he didn't reject the apology, just said he didn't think it was necessary
@deftd0ll99 that's when the apology's meant for YOU smartypants, why'd a rando jump in out of nowhere n be like "no u don't need to apologise to him" when they're not even being spoken to...
16:24 "You didn't ruin anybody's life, you didn't create an army full of racists and bigots" intentional or not he helped normalize such language and as a result spawn more people like that
and he quite literally did help to create an army of bigots. i was like 14/15 when idubbbz was at his peak and damn near every friend i had was watching idubbbz and spitting slurs on the regular bc of how he treated them LMFAO. idk why charlie is trying so hard to say absolutely nothing of substance
It was well known that Ian and that general group of people had an extremely bizarre and gross fanbase. At least for those years, fanbases didn’t use to be so outspoken or widespread like they are on twitter now
There will always be people like that he had no effect
@@masterqookie7660 of course there will always be people like that thats not an argument, but someone like younger me would NOT have ever been that person if not for his contrnt. i can say the same for basically anyone i knew in like my first two years of high school, his videos directly influenced us to act in awful waysand say horrible things
@@hyperviewed That’s not Idubbbz fault though, that’s like saying we should censor out scenes of Good Fellas or Spaceballs because kids might be watching.
While I usually am an "actions speak louder than words" kind of person, I actually think this is a case where publicly voicing his disappointment in himself and the culture he fed into is an appropriate response, and I am sure, appreciated by those who may have felt harmed or negatively affected. His whole career and success was basically based on him voicing his opinions and criticisms, so I don't see why that wouldn't apply to his own mistakes.
Good take I did not see it this way but I agree
Actions speak louder than words? Well, that clearly was a shit ton of bullshit if you remember how he addressed the CreatorClash 2 debacle with FroggyFresh and Sam Hyde.
He isn’t apologizing because he overreacted ab his own content or wanted to change his content outright while leaving those people with him, he is apologizing because he feels the need to come out about how he actually feels about his past and wants to move past it. He isn’t trying not to be cancelled he is showing how he changed as a person
This is exactly how I saw it. I didn't used to like him at all, but I've been seeing his dramatic change and it made me feel... almost proud of him. As someone who also made a great change a long time ago, I felt so guilty just ignoring my past. I want to live as an honest person. Clearly he wants to live as an honest person too.
But who asked?
@@Tang1294 The crowd of angry people in the comments
@Puzzle Pottage True, my brother!
woah a based dignan in the wild
the fact that this video did so horribly is surprising what happened 💀
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It has over 3 million views. What are you smoking?
@@Captain_Insano_Shows_No_Mercy I’m talking about the comments lol everyone is mad
@@thecov3n yeah ur right lmao. Moistcritixal is being biased asf bcs it’s iddubz. If anyone on the internet now was posting insensitive, racist, homophobic content, he would be gawking on a moral high ground. But for some reason it was okay for iddubz to do so? Ye he trippin
@@tommygoncalves9569 Maybe form your own thoughts instead of regurgitating someone else's. Read books and shit
Idubbbz: Genuinely apologizing for wrongdoing and past actions
Charlie “Well actually that’s a bad take” 🤓
you should get yourself checked, man, you're brainwashed...
Another iCuckkkz fan coming out of the wet works.
When Charlie unironically is the one with a bad take
So what you’re saying is that someone can’t be wrong? You know he’s not an ai you get to judge and make fun of when it’s wrong, he’s done stuff like this before and when he got criticized for it; he apologized. As he most likely will with this situation
idubbbz didn't do anything wrong though, the society just went wrong after 2020
Getting something off your chest to the world is totally reasonable. I dont think his video was about wanting people to forgive him, it was about how he is a different person and the "old Iddubz" isn't here anymore. Also, "changing slowly" would mean that he would continue doing the things he didn't want to do, i think it takes a lot to take a huge shift in the kind of content you put hours into.
Why apologize and denounce the content that made you popular in the first place? Let your new content show your audience how you’ve changed, instead of alienating half of your audience by making them feel bad for enjoying your old content.
But he hasn’t changed, the economics of comedy has. He’s the same shitty loser he always was but now it’s no longer profitable to be edgy💀💀
Hasnt he basically already changed his content
He's just a big fat hypocrite. Only reason he changed is because the political landscape of the internet has changed.
I completely agree
Seeing how I was called a ch*nk and the n word (I’m blasian) by a kid who religiously watched idubbz in 2015, I would say his channel had consequences. So real to the point to where i rather wanted to join in on the fun, instead of being made fun of. I started watching Ian’s videos, but I also started called people the n word just to get reaction and laughs. Hm.
What a pathetic victim mentality showcase. Just over how you pass on blame to dudes who just wanted to have fun on their channel over you being a bullied and you still havent grown up enough to realize the essence of it all, i m saying that without feeling guilty. You deserved to get bullied. You deserved it all. And it was all on you, the kids that bullied you and perhaps their parents. Noone else, only them. But i guess idubbbz is also to blame if you dont put limits when dealing with people or that if people dont feel like respecting you. Its never too late to grow a pair of balls and to ditch that victim mentality once and for all.
its so funny because its not even this guys place to say whether or not someones content, which consisted of literal slurs, is bigoted or not. He just feels so entitled to speak over the actual people who WERE harmed. It's an absolutely amazing thing to see in 2023. What a rare, out of touch, find.
@@cakebops are you 90 years old or is it that the new breed of snowflaks are the new 90 years old... how can "content, which consisted of literal slurs" be such a damn evil thing, if you dont find it funny dont watch it, if your kids are too young for it, dont let them watch idubbbz on youtube, simple as that, lol.... i hate to defend a clown like idubbbz in this case but the fact that the blame got shitfted on him over how kids acted retarded it doesnt mean he was the one to blame, next you will say idubbbz was used as educational content in schools to teach children how to behave... but ok, i ll take it, some harm might have happened, but do you know what is a million times more harmful? what he is doing right now, promoting one of the most degratory things a woman could ever do, becoming a prostitute, labeling it as easy money and trying to turn people who dont like that into outcasts of society... this is the dick of the dude you guys been sucking, for whom you felt so conveniently over his n-word scapegoat thing...
That's your problem, not Ian's. If you're gonna blame him for his videos then you should blame Marilyn Manson for his music
Have you ever thought that middle-school child had a point?
So many soft people in the comment section acting like they were personally physically harmed because of idubbbz past history.
Get a grip and touch some grass. Lmfao
Personally I wasn't harmed, but if you aren't part of the group that had to deal with the toxicity and blatant racism of the internet at that time, you don't get to act like no harm was ever done.
Idubbz is right that he contributed to a culture of cruelty and bullying and if you weren't on the receiving end of it, maybe you aren't part of the marginalized groups that suffered it and should keep your yap shut
@@ratlab5680 lmao get a life
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Does it matter? Charlie is one of the biggest creators on the platform, everything he talks about garners huge amounts of attention. He should have enough awareness to understand that a sensitive topic like racism, bullying and online bigotry is not the kind of space he should be intruding. If he doesn't understand the effect he has a discourse then it's better he learns now rather than with something even more serious
@@ratlab5680 Bro, he was never actually racist towards anyone or bullying anyone.
The only times he used offensive language/slurs, was when he was doing satire. He wasn't bullying people, just calling people out on their bs. Such as that Jynx guy or w.e. He was literally just stealing people content and not contributing anything to it and was being called out. Now people are trying to say it was racist to call him out just because he's black.
I am a PoC btw, and yes, this younger generation is soft af. They treat everything as if it personally hurt them and everything is racism and the patriarchy. Its ridiculous. Grow some backbone.
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Thank God I grew up in the 90's and 2000's.
People weren't terminally online, socially awkward and offended by everything.
Imho, social media and smart phones have made an entire generation of braindead people that can't handle anything that doesn't coddle them.
He seems to be pushing for accountability and change here. I actually find his points pretty compelling. Not a lot of people admit their insecurities because of narcissism. But he is doing that very honestly.
Yeah but making those content cops also pushed accountability and change on the people he made them on who deserved it albeit in an edgy 2010s way. But that’s what made it entertaining.
when did all of charlie’s audience catch twitter brain rot.
That's a great way to put it. I'm just glad and proud of him that he thinks he needs to show accountability, and tried to do so without anyone asking.
@@slothschewgum They always did have brainrot. Ever notice how Charlie goes out of his way to never say anything controversial? He'll talk about Twitter brainrot, but these dumbasses have no clue that Charlie is talking them.
@@slothschewgum yeah because change and growth is Twitter brainrot now
It's a shame you weirdly ignore the trans person and iDubbz's wife part, importante context for the apology imo
where's the proof ian never showed who said it
What
"I never saw it as cruel" "I never saw it as acting superior"
I mean he told one of the people he was criticizing to kill himself (prefacing it by clarifying hes never said it "unironically" before) after talking about how hes "smarter" than him.
I still cant believe the top comments mainly talk about how idubbbz content had an impact on kids and therefore he should be burned on the internet stake. My guy, blame the parents that let their kids watch ADULT CONTENT. If you wouldn’t get mad at American horror story for having an impact on kids because its adult rated, why would you be mad about kids finding RUclips adult content💀
No ones saying he should be burnt to the stake, they're saying Charlie totally underestimates the consequences of Idubbbz actions, because he's downplaying them. They're criticizing charlie for not realizing why Idubbbz is addressing his past behavior.
@@mandoy2080 im exaggerating obviously, and Charlie is well aware and isn’t downplaying it at all or failing to grasp the seriousness. The point is that idubbz content isn’t for kids anyways, it’s moreso the parents fault that they weren’t present enough to prevent their kids from seeing adult content. Idubbbz is addressing it because he doesn’t make that content anymore because he is aware of the impact it had and wouldn’t want history to repeat itself. It was a different time at the time he made it, because back then it was just edgy RUclips jokes that everybody understood was a joke. Its undeniable that there are probably people who were genuinely racist in the audience, and its clear that the effect on children was immense, but again, this was edgy RUclips content in the past, and the people who wouldn’t understand that are children who shouldn’t have been able to watch the content in the first place. Charlie didn’t underestimate the consequences of it, hes choosing to understand that Idubbbz wants to learn and grow from it. Nobody can foresee that adult content would have an effect on younger audiences.
@MY_F4DEDLIFE again no one is criticizing idubbbz here, they're criticizing Charlie
@@mandoy2080 sorry, misunderstood you. But i still dont think that Charlie is failing to understand how bad the consequences of idubbbz actions or downplaying them. He speaks pretty fine about it in my opinion
kind of a weird take, if he feels bad about it then ofc let him make the video. if he really rejects the way he acted, especially with those slurs, let it happen. using slurs so frequently does breed racism for younger audiences, it happens a lot. it doesn’t matter what the intentions were, the intentions are clearly still incorrect because people (from where he’s from) clearly know those words are extremely hurtful to certain groups, and using them regardless of if you’re “racist” is still hateful. i am personally happy he was able to make this video, and while i doubt Id be going back to his content personally, it’s cool to see someone grow in that way.
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Yes but as a human being you should be able to distinguish what is humors and isn’t if you basically use idubbbz as a excuse to be racist you are stupid edgy humor has always existed Ian isn’t even the worst offender frank was worse in my opinion 💀
Does it breed racism, or stupidity? There’s a difference. A 13 year throwing out “nigger” or “faggot” on the playground isn’t racism it’s them being an idiot and regurgitation things they don’t have the maturity and intelligence to see the nuance behind it. A racist doesn’t show racism by spouting slurs at random like most people perceive it to be, it’s when they treat and look at people differently based off ethnicity, skin tone, or dialect. To give an example I was called “nigger” on in school by a couple of dumbasses in middle school, we’re they racist? No they were trying to get a rise out of me and thought that word would incite an incident to exploit on the spot. On the flip side when I got kicked out of a store by the manager for “stealing” (which I hadn’t) but my white friend who was ACTUALLY CAUGHT STEALING was allowed to still shop THATS racism. Theres a core difference that I think people aren’t realizing in todays age. Being stupid doesnt mean your racist. It means your stupid and by the time u turn 25-30 or even maybe earlier than that your going to go “fuck I was a god damn dumbass when I was younger” while real racism your going to be 30,40,50 and still have those views because at your core you think they’re inferior.
You have this perspective because your girlfriend is just as hellish and brainwashing as iDubbz
The fact the world has gotten so soft that people need to apologize just to make sure their name isn't a stain on them to me is just preposterous. His apology comes off more as a safety net more than anything else. iDubbz comes off like he has no back bone.
I don't get why people are calling this drama, dude just wants to get his head clear, and own up for things he used to do, I support that (I have not finished this video yet lol)
Because people think that the only reason someone would change is for profit and nothing else.
@@dataexpunged93N15 true
@@dataexpunged93N15 says a lot abt them doesn’t it..
Because his wife is getting roasted and he gets mad about that, now he has to prove he has matured when he calls out these roast-ees
Never seen someone start drama by apologizing for saying slurs and apologizing to other youtubers before. Charlie has gone a bit too off the deep end with the "drama" commentary, he's contributing to starting drama from nothing.
I think that the biggest misconception Charlie has with Idubbz's video is that he's apologizing for BEING a racist. He's not apologizing for being racist because I think most people could tell he didn't actually hold bigoted beliefs. He's apologizing for creating a community of ACTUAL racists. Ian even said in his video, it doesn't matter if he was actually being racist, his words and actions had the same affect as if he was.
Yeah Charlie did address what you just said, so I'm guessing you didn't fully watch the video. He's saying that just because some weirdos showed up doesn't mean it's his fault. He's also commenting on the fact that Ian is acting like he should be tortured 24/7 for doing it, not on the apology in itself.
He's still apologizing over nothing since that group was so small in the grand scheme of things. There's no collective recollection of this "ACTUAL racists" group that people allude to, so I have to ask you if you have any documented proof than just herd mentality and the possibility of one being there.
@@troypowers750 Group was "so small?" Any racism, on a small scale or not is wrong and creating a community of racists is also wrong. He isnt apologising over nothing, he was apologising to those affected. In the end, this influences people and people influence other people. How can you say hes apologising over nothing as if racism isnt an issue?
@@yes9064 I'm sorry, but that doesn't make a significant enough majority. Us older fans remember that Ian was pointing out the hypocrisy of Tana and society as a whole using race jokes on other people, but have such a death grip on the nigger word. How are we supposed to take that seriously when it's okay to make 9/11 jokes or French Surrendering jokes, but if it's about someone using nigger, we're supposed to be hung? Guess what? South Park, Generation Kill, Family Guy, Boondocks, or Gran Torino minus well be on the chopping block for making race jokes by your definition, right? Oh! But wait, it's not meant to be taken seriously, and it's used for comedic relief! Well, so is every black person essentially making fun of themselves. I think you're taking this apology video a bit too seriously if you actually believe that idubbbz's content was a gateway for racism, when it was never that. Rewatch Tana's Content Cop, and you'll be amazed at how much of a pussy idubbbz is now.
I think I dubs was a racist, and was apologizing for being one, and I liked his apology
The Comment Section is basically Twitter. Content Cop was great and all of the people he dunked on deserved the ridicule.
I don’t agree = twitter 🤓
@@tracark2255got him