Finding out WHY this Dog ATTACKED their OWNER
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- In this video, we take a deeper dive into what we have learned and observed since taking in Odin, the dog who attacked his owner on 2 occasions. This has been one of the most controversial cases we've ever taken on, what are your thoughts? Let us know in the comments below.
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We had a boerboel for 8 years and he was the sweetest boy at home. But as soon as we stepped out of the garden for a walk, he turned on protection mode and nobody could come closer to us than 5 meters. It's a very tough breed, way tougher to handle than other masstiffs.
So good to hear someone debunk the myth of only bad people - no bad dogs. That would be similar to always blaming the parents for all bad kids - never taking genetics or other outside influences into consideration.
Yes.Some dogs just have a terrible temperament and don't get along with any other creatures. Sometimes it's neurological *and* due to genetics at the same time. Sometimes they're just antisocial like some humans can be.
Absolutely!
Nothing was debunked here. How is saying "no bad dogs" like blaming the parents? Children are much more capable of comprehension and are able to SPEAK to tell you what is going on. Lack of communication, discipline, and involvement IS the parents fault. HANDLING, and training a dog isn't done the same way a kid is raised. You need to understand how to use all of your tools, learn the body language, and manage specific personalities or issues in order to get through to the animal. They aren't going to tell you what's going on. Saying a dog is "bad" because you're unable to mold it into what you want is weak, lazy, and completely ignorant. Of course genetics and outside influences are a factor. That's why you can't force all of them to be the same. It's YOUR job to manage, train, and handle them...or find someone that can. Ego tripping and blaming a dog because YOU can't figure it out is a good way to get them euthanized. No excuses... don't train if you can't handle it and don't try to own a dog that you can't manage.
@@FAFObozo Since you agreed with my comment "that genetics and outside influences can be a factor" - there really isn't anything to reply to, because that is essentially all I was saying. The rest of your rant... 🙄
@@blujeans9462agreeing with a valid point you made while explaining the incorrect statement of the first part of your comment is how you debate people. Sorry you can't understand it. Saying dogs are bad is a cop out that gets them euthanized. Roll your eyes... just don't make excuses for being unable to train dogs and instead please tell people you don't understand why you can't figure them out.
That is a breed of dog only for very experienced dog handlers. Not for novices or first time owners.
This sounds like the most honest video I've seen on the internet
I farm in South Africa and am a proud Boerboel owner. They will give their life for you and are fearless,however they are not for everyone as they act and think independantly.They need an expierenced and confident owner.
In total agreement...as a fellow South African who has also had boerboels. Love the breed!!!
I farm in Tennessee and am a second time boerbel owner. Parents were imported from SA.
Love this breed! I've had rotties and corsos and they're great too and much easier to train, although they can also be stubborn. Nothing compared to boerbels though lol. Even though they're power breeds and will take over if they can, rotties and corsos intrinsically WANT to please you. Boerbels? Not so much. IMO with boerbels, you have to prove it to them that you're a worthy leader and they need to listen and respect you. They will also test you occasionally lol.
Y'all developed the breed to be able to think independently and patrol vast homesteads where predatory wildlife and humans are a reality. Consequently, boerbels sometimes think they know best lol
So, do I have the right understanding of boberbels?
They seem to really like children, when they've been around some from a younger age. I joke my girl would open the door and help carry our things out for a kid less than 12 😂
Sadly, some of us Americans are doing our best to ruin this breed. Backyard breeders that aren't having dogs inspected for breed standard. No genetic testing either. Many are also breeding for bigger and heavier size, making these dogs lose the agility and endurance they're known for. 🤬
You should not backyard breed this breed. Agree 100% Glad you love Boerboels.
You have the right idea of the breed. You need be confident as the pack leader.A Boerboel loves his/her family intensly so you have to socialise them from an early age as they tend to be over protective. They can be big goofballs.
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I have hypothyroidism and I can totally attest that before you get diagnosed you turn into a different person and you don’t even realize. You’re just so tired and overwhelmed. For me it came on gradually and so I didn’t have a clue. I just knew that I was unable to control things like falling asleep during in-person work meetings and it was effecting my ability to hold a job. I went to the doctor and he ran some tests and it turns out my thyroid doesn’t function properly and I have to take medicine for the rest of my life now. That said, having the medication has been life changing. Within a week I felt better than I had in years. I was tired all the time anymore and I didn’t feel so stressed out and depressed. Nowadays I know what symptoms to look for and if I notice my behavior is changing (like needing to rest more or being grouchy because I’m tired even though I slept well the night before. I bet those are the kind of subtle things that some dogs can sense as being “off” since they recognize body language and tone far better than we give them credit for. Thanks for trying to help him. The world needs more people like you 💜
I had a standard schnauzer (50 lbs she was the size of a small giant) that started biting when she was 2. They had lost their jobs and home and had to move in with family who had a dog she fought with on top of the fact she had extremely high breed traits. They had also crated her 8 hours a day 5 days a week from the time they got her as a puppy so she wasn’t socialized at all and scared to death of everything.
I got her at 2 and a half had her till she passed at 11. I was never ever not once afraid of my dog but she couldn’t be around anyone else at my house except my husband as she bit everyone else. Though at the dog park the vet the groomer the boarding place there were no issues.
I was proud when the vet got on the floor with her after a year and told me he never would have done that when I first brought her in.
I say all that to say know the dog you get and the breed you get and then adjust your behavior accordingly to maintain a happy healthy dog.
Great intuition about asking the owner to get medical exam and tests!
I noticed now as I am aging I don’t have the same capacity to be a good dog owner to a difficult dog. I am not as aware, slower to react etc…. My next dog choice will take my aging brain into consideration. Thanks for what you do.❤
Perhaps a still healthy senior dog?
@@anng.4542 Yes or even a special needs senior dog. Right now I have 4 rescues, 2 senior all big dogs. It has been disappointing how many mistakes I have made. I guess we have to stay flexible about what is best for us. Thank you for your kind response. Take care❤️
Dude you guys are amazing. As I’ve commented several times on IG, you guys are walking through all the steps; and one of the big steps is around the relationship with his owner. From experience, I have a male Rottweiler. Forget the cute cuddly vids people forever post on social media. While it’s true that Rottweilers are loving dogs, it’s also true that they are a powerful breed that will take control of the relationship if you don’t do so. So there’s no room for compromise in the hierarchy. You provided a perfect explanation of how that relationship needs to work. And you can’t simply turn it off. Kudos to the owner for being transparent and willing to work through things. Having a power breed is not a trivial undertaking. Great post.
For anyone reading this: I know that dog training can be difficult sometimes, but you're doing great. Keep up the good work, and your dog (and your own sanity) will thank you for it! ❤️💕
As an owner of 2 young power breeds, I can say it's a crapload of work! One was so easy compared.
I think Odin's anxiety has something to do with the other dogs. She works a lot, so there was no time to really socialize and form a close bond.
Odin appears to be physically cared for. The owner's medical condition had no effect on the other dogs. Nevertheless, he can't go back there. That Cane Corso will always see him as a Tiger, never part of the pack. Whatever triggered him still lives there.
I think rehomed to experienced, stable owner with no other pets or children would be the best course. Preferably someone with land, no neighbors close by, where he feels the need to work.
So glad to see/hear what you've found so far. Here's hoping for the best outcome for Odin and his owner.
K9 INTUITION, I’ve been following Odins progress and I have to say, you guys are absolutely AMAZING!! You are not only trainers but deep dive into psychological issues and also you have to work as detectives by process of elimination. I am so inspired by you guys as I want to be a dog trainer also, but in my case working with disabled and unwanted dogs to make them more adoptable. Thank you 🙏🏼 and I look forward to seeing the outcome. 🐶👍🏼
Enjoying this case study. You are spot on with your observations and the process. As the owner of a 100 pound dog who doesn't like strangers I appreciate the perspective!
That's a good analysis. Adverse living conditions can also put a strain on the relationship with your dog and if you have lost your center, the dog is the first to feel it. Not good for the relationship at all.I know that too.
I so appreciate everything you are doing for Odin and others like him. We had a dog like Odin. Baxter was a boxer we rescued years ago. We didn’t know the real dog for a few months and then the trouble started.
Human aggressive
Resource guarding with his food, toys and even his humans
You name it he had the issues. EVERYONE gave zero chance of saving this dog.
It literally took me a year of 7 days a week and not giving up on him. Strong , huge boxer that literally tried to hurt me energy time we went for walks. I could go on and on. Aggressive inside and outside of the home. Even rammed through our glass do t door to attack the UPS man, twice !
We made mistakes . Corrected how we dealt with him. It was a hell of a lot of work for me and the whole family. He was the best boy ever, but it wasn’t easy.
I was not going to give up and did not. He has since passed and I will forever love our Baxter.
Just thank you for all you do.
Thank you for the update on Odin.
You nailed it on power breed.
Some dogs definitely need to be owned by educated owners that are on it all the time.
I have both types of dogs.
Big difference in the way I manage them.
Your honesty is so appreciated. No BS.
Thank you for saying things the way they are... denying a breed´s genetics saying "it's not the dog" it´s how you raise him is just not understanding what a dog breed was developed for. And yes, owners have to be responsible and part of that responsibility is understanding your dog´s genetics... so herding dogs want to herd, hunting dogs want to hunt and roam, huskies want to run, guard dogs want to protect, pitbull dogs have strong prey / fight drives... terriers want to go after vermin.... It is a reality...
the dog has to know who's boss- it might sound oversimplified but its the honest truth
Boerbulls are the best dog ever!!! But they thrive when being "led" within their "pack", regardless of the size of the pack. They need firm guidance, and need to be "worked" often and well. Well done!!!
Interesting, thank you. I am with my second rescue dog, a German Shepherd, Pit, Rottweiler + mix. We have our problems, but the second attack you described would have done it for me. That is scary stuff. On the other hand, I’d be doing my very best for/with that Cane Corso. Glad you are going to help her with THAT dog.
I had a similar issue with my first Boerboel. He did not bite me, however it was close.
I took myself and him off to training and learnt a whole bunch of things that i was doing wrong.
I've had 2 others Boerboel's since and they are fantastic dogs.
Lady you and Odin have got this.
That's a really good looking boerboel. Hope y'all are able to help get him sorted. Too many horror stories with this breed. Sounds like he's in good hands.
I'm glad this trainer looks at the owners mental and physical state... I agree some dogs are assholes. Some owners are assholes. I have a guardian breed. I make sure I take him out and about for all situations. What I say goes. You give these dogs an inch they will take 10 miles.. I loved your video. I hope this woman can keep her dog❤
Dogs are a good judge of Carter
Thank you for the update. Great information!
I do not subscribe to the idea that dogs perform moral or immoral acts.But I think i know what you mean. Many dogs are what's referred to as socially upwardly mobile,basically actively looking to move up the social hierarchy and will use aggression to do so. Many of these dogs are as you put power/working breeds there, not good or bad, necessarily just acting on the instincts they were bred with.Many dogs like this can be fine for years until they are told to do something they don't wanna do. I have worked with working line dogs for 15 years and have come across a few dogs like this that can be absolutely fine one second, doing high-level obedience, and the next second, they are attacking you sometimes completely unprovoked. I think it's anthropomorphic to call these dogs bad as they are not making premeditated calculated decisions to cause you harm, merely acting on their instinct which tells them not to back down! That said dogs like this can be super dangerous regardless of your experience many of these dogs are unfortunately born this way and no amount of training can fix them.
I absolutely agree. I was trying to help a client understand this very thing. The dog isn't necessarily doing anything "wrong ", he/she is being a dog. Great comment!
So incredibly fascinating to learn about the complexity of this situation. Thank you so much for this.
Thank you! I love all the information, I want any opportunity to learn more.
I'm glad he's with you because you seem perfect for his situation. He's got a great owner as well!
This is so interesting. My question to you is, if she "smells" or "act" sick - is he looking to take her down a peg or take her down? (not wanting a sick one in the pack) or just seeing an opportunity to take over?
“ Taking her down a peg “ or “ Taking her out “ is the same as taking over. Be it just taking her place as pack leader, or “ taking out the sick animal “. For about 2 months before we discovered I had lung cancer my 3 year old German Shepherd would push her limits with me every chance she got. No attitude change at all towards my wife, just me. It wasn’t until about 6 months after I finished chemo that I would even think about taking her out off leash.
@@johnberry8180 That sounds rough, I hope you are doing better.
Her lack of thyroid means she'll likely have more health issues appear in the future, especially since it was gone for an unkown length and all the side effects of the medication to replace it - If this dog attacked over that, I worry he will likely do it again in the future when other health issues inevitably arise.
She also doesn't need the extra stress with that condition - I hope she considers having someone help her rehome him.
Thank you!! Very glad she's so motivated and adaptable to find solutions for the dog. Had a feeling something would be underlying in her immune system and his adolescent brain took a shot. Hopefully she'll get herself fixed up and feeling fresh ready to set those boundaries and follow through. Hopefully he will grow up and out of these pushy patterns. All these upset hormones causing drama. Wow.
So true. I have power breeds. Finally, someone who is not a showman, but the real deal. This is coming from a trainer who has been training dogs1969.
This is very good. Does make you wonder why someone would have four power breed dogs though. Four of any dogs to be honest.
I love what your saying and I'm hoping for the best stay true
Love Odin. I'm glad you are doing what you can to help. Very new to the channel and I like what I'm seeing, keep it up!
i will say, the thyrid is a big deal is a big deal. I have had thyroid cancer twice,. even one of my cats noticed it. medication is key to helping him work it out. My daughter's dog knows when mine or hers is off, and he is a chihuahua. he has not been trained for this. but it helps
I am already impressed that she could even consider hiking with 3 dogs, with zero thyroid. Holy crap. I could have slept 15 hours a day before I got my meds.
New subscriber here.. Watching from CT
I have 3 rotties and 2 boerbels on my farm. These dogs are not for everybody.
Great video!
I would love to hear an explanation on why a dog would be affected by a medical issue in their human??? Super curious about this, please offer more!
Smell?
I have seen and owned a dominant breed that attacked and killed any sick or weak pack member. Never turned that energy on me, in fact grew more calm when I exhibited weakness. But, from day one of week five of his life, I reinforced my status in every thing that we did. I would back him off of his food, always made him wait for permission from me to eat, join me on the couch, bed, car... I knew that if I were to have that much dog, which I need because I am a single woman living in the country with no neighbors close by which is the reason for the dog to begin with, I would Absolutely have to be able to control him or fall prey to him. Was a wonderful protector. It's like a gun, if it is powerful enough to protect you, it is also powerful enough to kill you.
The problem with animals is that, to us, they seem to "attack" out of the blue. They send and receive signals that often aren't always apparent to us. We have to stay watchful. Best protection that I ever had. But, it came with responsibility and a certain amount of risk.
Chemicals dogs are sensitive to smell
The persons energy level changes, personality can change, they may come off as strange, different, or weak. Dogs are very in tune with their owners.
The theory on it is that it's left over from pre dpmestication - The change was a sign there is something wrong with that animal(i.e. rabies) and they instinctively killed it to protect themselves.
I've mostly seen this behaviour in terrier and bully type dogs - It's pretty commom for them to attack an animal or person havimg seizures, for example.
Fun(non super related) fact: mini dachshunds rank second, right behind cats, in how quick they'll eat you if you die. Labs ranked lowest, and many would starve to death before eating a deceased owner.
Why does this bird have 3 power breeds? Logic says very little thought of future planning . I own small snakes because in 20 years I won’t be able to put away a 4mtr Bush Python , great vid though I liked it 👍
i just took ¨there are no bad dogs just bad owners¨ as just dont get a dog that doesnt look like a dog you can physically have control over. like say an old lady walking a mastiff. genetics can be a factor but at the end of the day it took human intervention to breed these dogs up to this point. in the wild these kinds of aggressive tendencies are non existent.
My male Boerboel attacked me in South Africa after he was stressed to long gaurding raw meat I handled the raw meat and he was not happy about it as he was already in the red gaurding the meat. I have reduced the triggers and we are living ok together. Yes setting boundaries is important to let him know I am in charge not him but he will always keep trying to enjoy my bed or my personal space.
So if someone has thyroid issues their dog can attack them, that's crazy stuff.
Thanks for the videos. Can you dive deeper into the 5 steps?
I do have to say once your dog attacks you and you dont alpha him at that exact moment. Its unlikely they will respect you through any training . It has to be a mutual respect with the dog understanding its place through LOVE AND RESPECT it then comes naturally.
@k9intuition what is the 5 step you were describing that the owner and her carne corso will be learning
Why does she need three powerful breeds like that? It doesn't really sound like she's even capable I have a high drive German Shepherd that I raised from a puppy. She's extremely tough dog but I've trained her and she has perfect manners Advanced titles. She's a force to be reckoned with when I asked her to be and while protecting her home. I trained, titled her CDX TDX SCHUTZUND v3 . I know the time and work that goes into raising a good dog and it's much more than just obedience it's like having a deep deep relationship with a human for years. I would trust my dog with my life, she would allow me to do anything to her and has when she's had a medical issue. She would never try to hurt me or be aggressive towards me. But I know what it took to make her that way, and there's no way this woman is doing it while working with three dogs. It's not possible
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You said he showed aggression towards her in front of you. Next time that happens- immediately ask her What was she just thinking? What was she just feeling at that moment?! My dog will growl if I start stressing or become nervous-just by my thoughts. CBT helps with learning to control your thoughts. (Plus meditation).
That dog leadin!
Look this really affects me. I own a red nose pit bull and i baby him..but he loves me and treating him so well doesnt bring out his preditory instinct. My boy is friendly and loves kisses
How did you develop such a good relationship with him?
I think I follow her on ig I think she has a rottie, corso, and then the Borbel
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I like to but my idea not meaning to be negative im just putting it out there, sometimes some Dogs perfer males then a females this is a real thing man fir real A Veterinarian told me this once just putting it out there i can seen by watching this beautiful Dog with you he maybe perfer you man for real just a thought ok 👍 good Luck !
Are Boerboel Dogs always this way towards femal or male owners ? Won't to attack the owners ?
What dogs are considered a power breed?
Boston terrier, poodle, chihuahua, dachshund are some of them.
Its always the masters fault. Hello you’re the master. Duh
Weird about the breed reacting to thyroid.
Funny thing. THe same way he talks about dogs, we coudl also talk about Humans.
Man, I feel really sorry for this woman finding this trainer. He is so off on his exploration that if he doesn’t figure out where he should be looking quickly, he’s going to give life-threatening advice to this person. The fact that he’s putting more attention on the fact that she might have something with her thyroid over the fact that she has three power breeds is scary.. but it’s addressing the actual issue doesn’t fit his program because he only wants to work with this dog. A more qualified trainer that was less concerned with his own ego would be able to help this lady’s situation. if you want help, feel free to reach out.
Yes you are right...I went to this guy with a female pit bull for training and he used an e-collar on her plus flipped her over and threw her on her back..I had to get out of there or else I would have flipped him over and threw him on his back...Anyway the jerk didn't return the rest of my $ as I paid in full but only used up one training session...Beware of this so called trainer.
My only problem with this - No lady(and probably very few men) should have multiple power breed dogs.
You shouldn't have an animal that you can't physically fight off or hold back, let alone 3 of them.
So he attacked over her thyroid being messed up - Having no natural thyroid means a host of other issues is likely to pop up, leaving her at high risk for being attacked again, when the lack of natural thyroid + side effects from the artificial one inevitably cause more health issues to appear later on.
This is not a safe dog for her, even if it is temporarily fixed.
@@Nil-tz6gy I mean, I have nine power breeds in my house as well speak with absolutely no problem. It’s a particular skill set though. a skill set I fear this man does not have and therefore will simply not address throughout his program, Because he’s choosing to go down the “ I am special. I have a special bond with this special dog.” Route. also you can notice he’s not treating this dog like he did woo or the Pitbull ladies dog. Because he knows that would only make this worse. Implying that it wasn’t necessary for those other dogs. Because it wasn’t.
You contradict yourself! Saying it’s a bad dog and then outlining all the things the human is doing wrong. A dog being a dominant “power” breed that it was bred to be overwhelming a weak owner is not being a “bad” dog.
If you think there are "bad" dogs out there... you're not a very good trainer. Speak to Tom Davis and get yourself educated. Otherwise, why spread nonsense and give ignorant people excuses to blame untrained dogs because they're incapable of handling them? Too many euthanized animals out there because of the lack of understanding how to communicate with dogs and adapt to their needs to overcome their personality issues. Drop the ego and don't blame the dogs.
Gotcha ok. So cuz he said so then it must be true. Roger. Good talk. 👋🏻
@@k9intuition152 no, because he demonstrates it. Talking is exactly what you are doing. No excuses... adapt and overcome. Out.
@@FAFObozo uh huh. Believe what you want. I’m not here to convince you.
I’ve watched exactly 2 of these videos and already know you’re making incorrect assumptions about his ideology, methods and desire to save and train every single dog he possibly can. He considers the breed, living situation, medical background and has only had a couple of dogs he couldn’t rehab of all the ones he’s trained.
@@nycatlady2314 my "assumption" is that he stated there are "bad dogs". It's in THIS video. I don't care what the other ideology is, telling people there are bad dogs does more harm than good and I'm calling him out on it. There are only dogs that aren't a good fit for certain owners and circumstances. Quit blaming the dogs and do your job to figure out how to train them or how to advise the owners on handling and/or explaining that the specific animal isn't going to work with their lifestyle. Not hard to do. Quit shifting blame.
You have no clue what you're talking about‼️ Most of the experts🤡😂
Please elaborate
you lost my respect when you attack dog daddy
Awwww I’ll miss you.
🙄 dog daddy is a joke
Really disagree with saying ‘some dog’s are assholes. They are dogs that are being expected to act in a way they are not willing or able to do. It isn’t the dog’s fault. Feel like calling them assholes is pretty self centered.
Nah - Some dogs ARE a**holes.
They all have their own personalities just like people - Some percent just come out with a real prick personality.
Some people should choose their dog’s carefully these dogs are head strong and want to be the Boss …My advice choose a dog which suits you …I fad these kind of dogs they always knew who is the Boss and it was me my last boy lived 13 years of age …And I have seen dogs that could not be saved they were nasty nasty dogs …But most dogs are cool as good friends to have ❤️🙏😃😃👍👍🧌