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It’s because strong Pokémon, weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers know that all Pokémon are bad.
Except Incineroar.
Incineroar is so stupid.
5 Incineroar beats any team.
(SHUDDERING)
@@Connowot387doesn't even need the option of the 6th incin
Incineroar is busted
*"It's the ultimate support pokemon-"*
@@kenji5294yeah that means it will support its fellow incins
most of this video:
This pokemon is unviable UNLESS kyogre is around
Mr Whale generates more niches and jobs than most goverments😂
Kyogre for president
just like old gen ubers
@@mysticpumpkin8520 not to get political but maybe team aqua was onto something here 🤔🤔🤔
Kyogre IS the restricted meta
Dip.
Shedinja on his way to wall out Kyogre for the 15th time every single restricted format
Scarlet and Violet: Oh, I don’t think so. And for good reason.
@@Connowot387 Funny thing about that is that Shedinja isn't in the game.
And also did u know tera electric air balloon shedinja
@@Eroil Sand Stream teams go brrrr
@@jackk.4670 Tyranitar? Restricted format? I'm not so sure...
Mienshao's dangly bits on the arms are likely long tufts of fur meant to resemble the sleeves of some Chinese martial artists.
Also, according to the pokedex, Mienshao can use her water sleeve fur as wips, which may take inspiration to how some chineae martial artists employ chain wips in combat
i thouhgt it was hald madntis
Also if the combat partner is stronger it and its the opposite sex it will bite the sleeves as a way to set the mood for some fun if you know what im saying
I would like to point out the long sleeves were actually used for dancing in real life (not an expert on this so don't quote me on it, but I think the long sleeved dancing was very popular during Han period) than martial art. But yeah... martial arts is probably something that's more well known in popular culture.
There is a Chinese saying 长袖善舞 (roughly translate to 'long sleeves good at/adapted at dancing' in English), which is used to describe someone who is very socially adapt.
You forgot to say fun fact, and Bazinga .
LeBron James Reportedly locked kyogre into choice specs Water Spout in front of a Gastrodon
How does this effect his legacy?
Spoiler alert - it had sticky hold
@@fsgdevil7959 MJ would've used a grass type instead 😤
Classic LeBron mistake 😂
Dammit LeBron... at it again
I use bad Pokémon because I can’t keep making new Incineroar sets
Wait, you don’t have 10 boxes filled with Incineroar with different sets, or blank sets ready to be EV’d and used? Weird, guess that’s just me
Weedle fan boy #2
turbo fast Incineroar
turbo bulky incineroar
Choice specs incineroar
9:57 those are either supposed to be long sleeves worn by various female Chinese martial artists, or are supposed to be some kind of reference to Fujian White Crane style Kung Fu that involves open and limp hands. Idk tho that’s just what I think
It is stated in its dex entries that those are long tuffs of fur
@@jaydrawer5894 I’m just talking about inspirations really
@@hefancy6921
It kinda is relevant to the inspiration- there's crossover between the status of the martial arts regalia you mention and the Western notions of high class clothes using ermine fur!
Think of the classic look of a European king, with the luxurious white fur, with the black, long spots- that is ermine, with the black spots being their tails.
Heraldric imagery of ermine actually parallels Meinshao's hand tufts, with a swoop that splits, with the lower portion being a darker color.
Thats what i came here to say
Yeah it's for sure supposed to be "sleeves". "shuixiu" were sleeves mainly uses by Chinese performance artists, to exaggerate movement.
There is kinda the trope of martial artist wearing "changshan" with sleeves that long, but it's mostly a drama/film things and the sleeves were never that long in reality.
I think it uses them them to hide it's movements and it apparently uses them to whip weaker opponents; but will chew them off in fights vs strong opponents to lower it's weight, so it can hit faster.
Very anime.
I love how Kyogre coming around always makes Gastrodon viable. Justice for the slug.
I knew there was a reason Cynthia kept him around.
Pro players don't use bad pokemon, they use super niche pokemon to fit specific roles. Teambuilding off-meta stuff is always my favorite part of pokemon it's so fun when you finally make some super random thing work lol
Well, the title is more appealing to most people, since at face value using a Pokemon with 1 HP is stupid in any scenario
@@samt3412ngl that stupid pokemon gave me all kinds of trouble in SwSh lolol
@@scottcrysel yeah, but at least they didn't give Wonder Guard to Sableye back in Gen 3
Edit: I meant Sableye, not Salamence, I may be stupid
@@samt3412the horror...
MoxieBoosted implies the existence of ChillingNeighBoosted and GrimNeighBoosted.
What about BattleBondBoosted?
Shout out to Beast Boosted
@@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 BeastBoostBoosted
@@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 BeastBoostBoosted?
@@urkerab "Brought to you by the creators of Dragoniteite"
The things I've learned about VGC, if you think that things are too centralized and team building is uninteresting, then you just simply aren't doing enough out of the box thinking to know how to change things up and are too focused on top mons
Sadly, usually this comes from from smogon players.
Talk about culture shock (tho to be fair, the viceversa scenario happens as often)
@@mysticpumpkin8520There are a lot less options in a singles, 6v6 format is why. You can't bring niche answers that can be left on the bench if not needed, nor can you rely on tools like redirection or flinches to open up room for a partner to take out the problematic, centralizing mon. Just different formats at the end of the day, both are fun in their own ways
The doubles format allows even the most broken Pokémon to be more easily answered, and it’s true that smogon players often don’t understand this. However, the same thing happens in reverse. VGC players always assume smogon is banning things because they’re bad, and they should just “learn to adapt”, when the fact is in singles it is much easier for a pokemon to truly be too much
@@itztaytay2they think they have more options due to the tiering system. What do you think of that?
@@blazechaos212 Well, it's a different kind of options. The many tiers give all sorts of metagames where basically any mons can find a home and be playable, with each having their quirks and centralizing bits (I like to play Little Cup when in a competitive singles mood for instance, which is base form mons only at level 5, and sometimes go back to do some Gen 4 OU).
Due to those tiers usually being singles battles though there are less options in battle compared to doubles, so often times they will fall into similar pitfalls (setup sweepers that get going too easily, speed creep wars invalidating entire teams at times, etc), which VGC tends to avoid due to the playstyle of bring 4 doubles.
So it's really hard to compare options of formats to options in battle, they're just different flavors of options, and like flavors people are going to gravitate to them based on what they like
Insert the funny elite four quote about using your favorite Pokémon
"I wasn't breaking the 4th wall to criticize the development of metagames. I was just referencing Silver who blamed his Pokémon for his own shortcomings. Stop quoting me just because you want an excuse for being bad at teambuilding." -Karen, Indigo Elite Four
wait is this a real quote? @@mukatte4755
@@mukatte4755 she was so real for that
@@mukatte4755 real
"Do you wall Kyogre? Congrats, you have a niche"
Shedinja is just a baby
Chess.com 🧙♂️
Chess.com 🧙♂️
Wtf
The fuck
I think my favorite time using a "bad" Pokemon was the time I gambled with the Oricorio Dancer gimmick and managed to not only sweep most of that Trick Room team (Seriously, watching a Bloodmoon Ursaluna drop was hilarious), but outdamage Cresselia's bulk and recovery with a little cheerleader bird thanks to its ability to attack twice in one turn.
Oricorio is one of my favorite mons with a fun gimmick. I've always wanted to make a team around it.
I love that dancing bird.
@@PrinceSilvermane If you want my reccomendations. Volcarona and Kommo-o.
Kommo-o lets her get a free omni-boost with Clangorous Soul, and Volcarona can let her use Quiver Dance twice, or Firey Dance to double up on an opponent. Tera Ice to deal with Ground Types more efficiently or Tera Ground to dodge Electric Attacks. Use Pom-pom as its the best of the forms typewise.
@@confuseddragonedits2294 TIL Clangorous Soul is a dance move.
@@nousername191 Here's one more unexpected one for you: Aqua Step, Quaquaval's signature move, can also trigger Dancer.
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Dont say it dont think it DON'T DO IT
Amogus
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untrustworthy and deceitful
Sus
im going crazy rn
"They use the long fur on their arms as a whip to strike their opponents." The pokedex on Mienshao.
Kyoger: I am god of the sea and I cause tsunamis and thunderstorms when around
Sheninja: hello
Kyoger: that thing scares me
I learned from Blunder that you can play with literally any bad mon and just sack it instantly and then win with the broken shit
Players incorrectly assume that the reason most Pokemon can never be viable is because of Legendaries. The reality is that ANY asynchronous multiplayer game with selectable player options will, when played competitively, reduce itself to a limited number of viable options. The very existence of so many choices is what makes so few of them viable. Yes, that's counterintuitive, but it makes perfect sense when you think through why that is.
In a format of 100 choices, and you get to pick only 1 choice, your 1 choice needs to be viable against as many of those 99 alternative choices as possible. Its simply not mathematically possible for most of the roster of choices to be good against most of the roster choices obviously. 51% of the roster can not be good against 51% of the roster, as we only have 100%. So naturally ONLY a minority can be good on a reliable basis.
The more choices available to a player, the smaller a number of those choices can be viable. If there's thousands of options, like say a card game like magic the gathering, than only cards that have the advantage against thousands of alternative choices can be viable.
The more Pokemon that get added, the smaller a percentage of them will be playable. Its just an innate element of designing games.
The real question isn't whether a small number of Pokemon see extreme viability, but how big of a gap there is between them and the alternative choice. If you don't use the legendary, how much weaker is the next step down? If the gap is small enough, you can have large numbers of players choosing what they like and simply letting skill make up for the 1 or 2% different in pokemon quality. If its a large gap? Well that kills the point in having alternative choices. Legendary doesn't matter, gap in alternatives matters. Incineroar isn't Legendary, but if you can't come up with an alternative to Incineroar that doesn't immediately put your at an insurmountable disadvantage, then we have a problem. Whether or not the gap with restricted formats legitimately is too large I am not qualified to say.
True but pokemon is a heavy rng stats game so why not just homogenize a majority of mons? More people would be happy this way. There is something seriously wrong about the fact that some of teh most popular pokemon are all bad in competitive play. Greninja, Pikachu, Lucario and charizard a lot of times all suck. Legendaries haven't been special for a long time so i see no reason they should be treated as above the rest anymore given how you can just be gifted a legendary without any requirement for it nowadays.
8:38 calyrex shadow, yes, the perfect pokemon to have, *ckecks notes* chilling neigh.
Calyrex shadow is such a broken monster it ain’t even funny. It has counters but being able to just 90%+ everything on the field that isn’t bulky as heck or immune is so hard to deal with.
@@rileyackison4495 You could probably make the argument that it's more broken than zacian
Some of us still have PTSD from how frustrating and annoying ORAS competitive was.
Countless Pokemon, but everyone still ran Primals and Mega Rayquaza for instant wins through just raw power alone. Yes, there was some counter-play but overall it was just instant 'I win' combos that wasn't fun to play in.
Scarf ditto is the best vibe check in pokemon
Moxie......this is the 7th times in a row you show wo chien in class
Because we love our favorite snail
9:58 Those things on Mienshao's arms are called "fur" 🤯
Edit: They're called "water sleeves"
Mienshao's floppy things are fur! Its paws are visible at the place where they bend; it has long fur that hangs over its paws and it uses them like whips in battle!
Bruh if you make it to worlds and don’t bring Wo Chien; we will all be disappointed and sad
Speaking of Meinshao, you may be interested to know that the move "Wide Guard" is literally called "Bodyguard" in Italian.
Babe wake up new vid dropped
Watashi wa
I've always loved how in lower power formats, bad pokémon are bad, while in higher power formats they become good
4:09 YOU LIE TO ME! How am I suppose the answer such an hard question in such a short time! And you don't even give us that time! I want a refunds!
During gen 8 national dex AG I used shedninja to knock out calyrex shadow with weakness policy endure shadow sneak. Since no one ever expects endure they don't have counterplay most of the time. Higher ladder players found ways round this but it was so funny on low ladder.
Knock off as well to beat oppodents priority moves
For me I been using Maushold in Ubers since people will underestimate it and try to set up so I one shot their whole team
honey wake up mocksey booster released another video gassing up wo chien! this is exactly the confirmation bias I needed
U have fake out, wide guard, and close combat on ur mienshao pick ur next move: detect, u-turn, ice spinner, feint, upper hand, coaching, taunt, quick guard, or rock tomb
“Throughout Heaven and Earth, I alone am the wonder guarded one”
Yessssss Iron Valiant 🙌🏾🙌🏾. Been experimenting a ton with it. Close combat, spirit break, wide guard, Sd with a focus sash.
In pokemon lore mienshao use their long droopy arms as whips according to the pokedex.
The meta answer is that mienshao is inspired by ancient chinese martial artists who wore robes with long flowing sleeves that would droop which is where the design element comes from.
9:57 That is fur in the shape of long sleeves that it uses as whips. Weirdly enough if it encounters a challenging oponent it will bite them off to become faster. Which is doubly weird cause it doesnt have unburden or anything the like
Love your videos man! Hope you get to half a million before the end of the year!
Imo, mienshao's dangly bits evoke the idea of the loose sleeves of martial artist's robes. You can see mienshao has little hands where the "sleeves" droop over.
It's not an explicit example of Pokemon wearing clothes like Machamp or Throh, but an implication, as seen with Mega Lopunny, for example.
Always love seeing a moxie boosted video in my subscription feed
"how to have bad character find niche, step by step:
does it beat kyogre in some way?
if yes: play
if no: no :)"
Just want to say I'm really glad you brought back topic videos. I'm not even into VGC (but I guess I'm only barely into singles).
If this video doesn't convince you that "Bad Pokemon" can never win a tournament, *Pachirisu says hi.*
It won a format, that didnt allow restricted, it won in a low powerlevel and did so because of its utility at the time. Utility that would be bodied by legendaries.
Different equation, similar results. Both cases are niche picks that only fit a specific meta trend
@@RadiativeChester There's bad pokemon, theres trash and there is niche. Most of these ''bad'' but counters XYZ, is not bad. They're niche. Pachirisu is just bad, but is ''niche'' if only the normal PKD is allowed.
But when your restricted to less than 100 pokemons, like in the 14 formet. Its not exactly hard to be niche. Because everything there has atleast 1 or 2 unique move's/combinations. Which doesnt exsist with an open dex. Thus its just plain trash.
7:12 *Jarring* music homie O.O Kinda ‘nerve-raking’ 😉 8:16 😑👌 That’s the stuff, Good vibes, love your work. Pretty cool channel > no doubt 🤘
hey man, just wanted to say I just discovered your content and easiest sub of my life. Love the channel and videos!
Clefairy can be quite annoying too, with follow me and friend guard making legendaries more tanky and helping hand to increase their power
More videos like this!! As someone just getting into competitive this was awesome
Fun fact just because Tera-Electric Shedinja got brought up again. It died to Thousand Arrows as well, one of the Zygarde Signature moves. Like Smackdown but Ground Type, meaning it slipped past both Wonder Guard *and* Air Balloon.
Moxie is in love with a slug
Sick thumbnail. Kyonel is so shocked
The thing on mienshao's hand is design base on the sleeves of traditional Chinese costume(like 2,000 years ago..). Hangfu漢服 is one of the example of those costume. Those are pocket sew on the sleeve to store some light items. Also probably has aesthetic purpose.
Mienshou: the long floppy sleeves are a reference to a practice in wing chun that hides the hands and arms from the opponent and makes it hard to see how they're moving. The sleeves themselves can also become weapons if the fighter knows what he's doing.
The Japanese hakama worn by kendo masters does the same thing, but for the legs and feet, as shifts of the feet telegraph movements.
Ever since the first few regulations, I’ve been really curious to see how pawmot does in a restricted format. It seems similar to raichu, although only with volt absorb instead of lightning rod, but it also has revival blessing which can potentially let you have your restricted an extra time kinda like ditto. Plus it can also use fighting stab.
i mean, skeledirge was used heavily in gen 9 ubers to wall koraidon, zacian, and other physical options. wisp and slack off are great options as well
Meinshao's floppy things are sleeves. based on old martial artist outfits where the sleeves were large and wide to cover/hide the hands. confusing enemies because they cant tell where the hands are, what they are doing (a punch a chop etc) or if they are even holding knives and other tools like assissians.
Me and my rain team with Feebas, focus sash, swift swim, dark tera (252speed 252 sp.atk) (icy wind, hypnosis, haze, protect) I love that dum feesh.
I've ran wo chien on a few teams and it's pretty dang useful it gets pretty hard matchup checked by heat crash Groudon but it being able to wall out the main 3 special attackers, non heat crash Groudon (though these are rare), and many support mons wall providing pollen puff and snarl support have turned what would be losing games into dubs for me
To answer your question about what the sleeves on mienshou are, they're essentially flesh whips similar to how Sylveon uses them. But they also are a reference to a specific fighting style which uses whip like sleeves to fight from a mid range. Also a reference to Japanese jumping zombies
12:09
Wo-Chien's Tablets of Copium
Directions: Take one tablet by mouth each Regulation
The thumbnails for these videos are absolute gold
you can put 172 ev’s into speed nature valiant with wide guard and knock off to speed creep timid max speed CalyS on terrain, block astral with WG and guarantee 99 or a KO (unsashed) even if you go timid with the atk decrease. Albeit i only based this on the pikalytics spreads from sw/sh where allegedly 252/252 was the most common so that may change as of late
I have been having SO much fun with hisuian goodra in regG on showdown, i've been running 188+ spdef EVs with an assault vest and knock off, breaking swipe, heavy slam, and ice spinner, heavy slam OHKOs flutter, knock of OHKOs calyrex shadow, ice spinner removes the terrain from miraidon and specs draco meteor does like 60% max, and it completely walls any special attacking restricted, with tera flying to deal with stuff like koraidon and groudon
Mienshau is based on a mantis, thst live in orchids. They use color to discuise the self's and the wired arms to catch pray. Hope thst helps
The dangly bits on Mienshao are just tufts of long fur, meant to give it more reach with its fast strikes, like holding some heavy strips of cloth in each hand as whips. One of the pokedex entires mentions that when desperate itll gnaw all the fur off to get lighter, letting it move and attack faster
Another moxieboosted, another god tier thumbnail
Hitmontop is in there too similar to Mienshao. Running covert cloak on it gets you basically the same vibe with better bulk and intimidate
love you moxie!
The Wo-chien copium never stops
Just you wait, Gen X will come around and Wo-chien will finally be viable. It'll get Recover and Strength Sap and Toxic and it will be laughing up the ladder. *Hufffffff* It'll be glorious...
I once used a pledge team that beated a ubers team but not any team below it
Thumbnail reminds me of the time I considered teaching Kyogre ancient power just for shedinja
Shedinja also invites(/invited?) a ton of shenanigans via Mimic. It could learn Skill Swap from someone like Lopunny, then bestow Wonder Guard to, lets say, Arcanine, who would proceed to use Burn Up (which makes the user lose its fire typing), turn into a ??? type and be immune to every direct damage move (except stuff that ignores abilities or forces certain abilities like Simple Beam or Worry Seed).
Massive bonus points for its infinite potential to clown on noobs.
random question, do you think a competetive team consisting of five destiny bond pokemon(like iron valient, gengar, frostlass can outspeed and mimikyu can tank a hit in exchange for destiny bond, etc) and shedninja will be able to sweep a team if you only target pokemon that can do damage to shedninja and only let shedninja out when its a 1v1 against something that cannot do damage to shedninja
I have a question for you, would abilities that set up field effects (gravity, trick room, etc.) akin to drizzle and drought be overpowered? And if they did exist, would they warp the meta around them?
the 'floppy things' on Mienshao could be seen as a strange thing, but if you look at certain martial arts weapons and styles they have some uses for long flowing sheets that can act as distractions. It's meant to distract or blind opponents so the real attack can't be defended. Feint is a perfect move for Mienshao as the 'long sleeves' can be how it would distract said opponent to go under the protect. (If we're going to use real world ways to explain an in-game move.)
They're the fancy kung-fu sleeves my guy; my man mien is just stylin 😂
Mienshao's heavy Fur tufts are used like whips and add more force to its attacks. If against an opponent thats stronger/faster than it, it will tear the tufts off to grant itself extra speed. :)
Ive been toying with expanding force mewtwo paired with psychic terrian indeedee and psychic seed sneasler in bss regulation d, great combo
Same reason why Wolfe went on Showdown and told their enemy what his next move would be. They like the handicap.
Another interesting thing about Wo-Chien is that it can actually nerf the physical restricteds damage output since they normally all currently run Clear amulet and can’t have their attack lowered.
Meawhile here I am using Maushold, Braviary and Iron Leaves thanks to the restricted formats. Idk, os just fun to do😅
I'm pretty sure, design wise, the "fur whips" on Meinshaos arms are supposed to represent the Longer sleeves that you would see on, some, Chinese martial artists(used to confuse the opponent and make it harder to read their movements)
Some similar things happen in singles in the Ubers tier, like how Ribombee is a common Sticky Web lead in Ubers and is more common than a lot of legendary pokémon.
The things on Meinshao are weird little sleeves for it's weird flesh clothes, idk what kind of Japanese clothes it is but there's a kind of clothes that is baggy/ has long sleeves and sometimes associated with martial arts masters especially in old Japanese movies
what about smeargle or F.E.A.R. strats?
do they still work nowadays?
im not very aware of the current meta.
Does anybody know the music at the beginning of the video? I’ve heard it before, and it’s Commodore 64 music, but I can’t remember, it’s on the tip of my tongue, and it’s bugging me. Thanks in advance!
My favorite thing to do in competitive is to pick a niche unsuspecting Pokémon and use it to set up or sweep, I swear it always works, they never see it coming until it’s too late.
OMG you spent so much time on shedinja who you can't even use at the moment. GJ
Mienshao mention! One of my absolute favorite mons; hearing that it has a niche in restricted formats makes me happy.
And being a bodyguard that specializes in defeating an angry/dirty (heel) Pro Wrestler is very fitting for an elegant traditional martial artist. Love to see if
I had so much fun back in the days of AutoCyclizard TeraElectic AB Shedinja breaking those two pokemon teams with a simple Chatot
Mienshao also works on most teams as a counter to terapagos
Fake out breaks tera shell
Wide guard blocks Tera starstorm
High jump kick deals massive damage + doesnt get reduced by calm mind setup
For me main sweeper for Ubers is Maushold since Tera normal wise lens population bomb one shot anything that don’t got steel or rock but with 2 tidy up it can one got them too
Rivalry haxaurus with first impression breaking swipe poison jab sounds kinda cool
Look I don’t play competitive pokemon but the feeling of legendaries being a necessity on teams is what pushes me away from it because I don’t want to be forced to use a certain class of pokemon
To put it simply I hate feeling like I have use Pokémon like landorus, ogrepon, urshifu, tornadus, etc. to be successful or at least not be at a severe disadvantage.
Thats just a higher power level. If a format where only 300 bst total mons were legal, it would still have the same overcentralizing aspect and a couple of mons seeming(and being generally) better than the rest
@@oscen335yes but to be fair. There hardly ever if not never any options where you can play in tours with those restrictions. And GameFreak seems to have had their foot on the gas to blast through anything not including massively op mons for the entirety of gen 9.
The tips of mienshaos arms that hang is its fur. It's based on stereotypical shaolin kung fu users who have long sleeves.
I mean, with that title, I expected part of the response to be "because it screws with the meta" -- that's why the Pachirisu is so infamous, because it was an off-meta pick that, as a result, had people being unsure how to react to a sassy squirrel with enough SpDef and HP to survive eating a Draco Meteor.
Those little nubs where Mienshao’s “arms” bend are actually its hands. Fur just grows that far down it’s wrists and it fights with the fur
Love the kyogre in the thumbnail 💀
Video idea, how far can you get using nemona's team?