Shiny Pokemon Give You An Advantage In Battles... Here's Why.
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"I don’t know if Greninja is Protean or Battle Bond until I watch inside the box."
"I run Torrent."
"Shut up."
Schrodinger's greninja
@@dedd2981 Schrodinja
@@kubix426schrodingle
word lol
@@kubix426nah bro schrodinja runs wonder guard
You also don't want to run shiny treasures of ruin or any of the Gen 9 legendaries, that will get you disqualified
I’ve heard Meloetta also gets you disqualified
Because that would be hacking lmao
@@badashe1364you can’t use it
@@user-ye2gv1xy9qthat’s the joke
@@user-ye2gv1xy9qyou know they’re joking right?
I remember another thing about Ash-Greninja: It was always set to be male, so if your opponent sent out a female Greninja, you'd know it couldn't be Ash-Greninja
I always wondered why but my theory is when it changes it’s form it’s called ash greninja probably bc it’s ash’s name in it and ash is a boy but this theory doesn’t make sense at all so😭.
@@yoptrippinI'm pretty sure it's because it's literally Ash's Greninja and Ash's Greninja is male
@@packyp3836 also Im pretty sure all battle bond Greninja is from a gift and the ones thats given is male only. So basically it's the same thing as shiny gen 9 legendary. Hacked pokemon being not eligible.
@@packyp3836 yea makes much more sense tbh
"Gender gives you an advantage in battles... here's why."
_"imagine this is anything that isn't a level 4 Rattata"_
Imagine a level 3 Rattata, got it
FEAR teams go brrrr
Lvl 100 rattata
Shout outs to Gen 5 VGC, where everyone ran definitely legitimate shiny Pokemon who also just so happened to have perfect IV's and optimal natures in the era before bottle caps and nature mints.
What are the odds?
Also with the pokestar effect for more stalling
@@PlushPilla There was no point stalling in Gen 5, the timer didn't exist yet.
@@AztecCrocand even if there was a timer it wouldn't matter because the pokestar effect replaces the shiny effect
I am of the opinion that hacking in a mon is okay if it can be obtained without hacking
Not everyone can play pokemon as a full-time job
I mean if you selectively breed a Pokémon thousands of time just to get funky colors i would think that the stats at least good
Whatever sickos breeds pokemon from the same family should be ashamed, or running a poke-mill to generate eggs.
You need to source your competitive fighting pets from only ethical breeders or else you'll end up with a shelder that looks like the one on slowbro.
Why else do you think it looks like that?
Bruh just hack this game is ridiculously stupid when building teams
The shit is something I wouldn't be surprised if it from PeTA.@@BigDeetz
@eli2210 it's a lot easier now too, which is the funny thing. A good video could be the most ridiculous competitive pokemon to get of all time. Immediately, I think of mew, deoxys, celebi, and Jirachi, which were so mythical at the time some kids didn't even know they were legitimately in the game
The key point here is that shiny hunting is completely optional, the game does not require you to have a FULL ON shiny competitive team, its purely aesthetic with some niche advantage here and there.
9:15 Oddly enough, it was possible to get shiny shadow pokemon in Collosseum and is why they are used for the All ribbon challenge
In Colosseum shadow Pokemon are the only Pokemon that aren't shiny locked and it's the other way around in XD.
When they made Colosseum they made the Shadow Pokemon's ID numbers random, so if they matched the enemy trainer they could be shiny then. The problem was that they also needed to match the player's own numbers or else theyd go back to being not shiny. By XD they wrote in code to shiny lock them.
@@GamingEelektross False, actually, but a very popular rumor. In order to be shiny the pokemon needs to match your ID, but due to a bugged shiny lock it reads the enemy trainer's ID and will not appear to be shiny in your first battle. You must catch it to reveal its shiny-ness, and if it was shiny it will sparkle on a rematch battle, though by that point its stats and shiny-ness are locked in. There is no chance of a shiny pokemon becoming non-shiny, unless you are the demonstration battle Hitmontop, as its stats are re-rolled after said demonstration battle. There are a nice collection of shiny hunters who have videos up on this, nowadays.
In XD, the shiny lock was fixed, and there are no shadow shines.
@@s.p.pennlight7299 A little bit of wrong info there too.
Hitmontop's first fight always counts as a rematch, their stats are always generated in the fight against Pikachu.
Also, in a rematch, the game takes the enemy trainer's ID to see if it's shiny or not, but only while it's in their posession, so a Shadow Pokemon that isn't shiny for you can be shiny for the enemy oponent in any subsequent rematch.
Funny story about shinies in coliseum, I actually got a shiny sunflora not knowing why mine was orange. I thought it was wilted so I sent it out in the rain to see if that changed anything 😂
Fun fact: due to a programming oversight in Pokémon Colloseum, it is possible for your shadow Pokémon to become shiny after you catch as the mons OT number would be overwritten by the player's OT number. While it was fixed in XD Gales of Darkness, it's still a fun tidbit
Not quite right. As I've come to know it the reason shadow pokemon "become shiny" in colo is because the PID/SID for enemy trainers is used in battle versus the player PID/SID. Once captured and the PID/SID of the player will apply and will reveal the pokemon to be shiny.
I believe it is possible to encounter a shiny pokemon on the enemy's side on colo and when caught it will not be shiny for the same reason, but I am unsure.
@@mysterymann4225you can catch shiny pokemon in colloseum. you are correct that the trainers shiny and the player's catch shiny are different roles, so if you catch a shiny, it wont be shiny after you catch it, but there is a shiny role for the player catching a pokemon, so you can only see if a pokemon is shiny after you capture it, but you can very much get shiny pokemon in colo.
someone did a whole challenge run on youtube to get every shiny in the game, lots of rng manipulation
Shiny hunting Tatsugiri is like hell, especially when you have to squint your eyes everytime you see one to see if it's shiny. Personally I don't think it would be worth it
Just breed it
@@TheForgidbearbackers 🤯
I guess hunting for the orange one would be hard, but if you hunt in outbreakes (each form gets a unique outbreak to them) then the pink and yellow tatsus should be easy. an orange one between yellows should be the shiny, and pink is more obvious with its shiny being white
And if you’re going for a wild one, they can sometimes carry Memento
@@TheForgidbearbackers 🤯
Before I even watch gonna guess: Stall teams, shiny sparkles taking up time, HP left.
That was my guess, too, which is why I didn't bother with the video initially.
Then they brought up bluffing event 'mons so you can pretend like you have a certain moveset/nature and that was actually a really good point.
Everyone knows you run Celebrate Vaporeon to run out the clock
Did you know?
😢
@@blockchicken8052know what?
“celebrate”
Pokemon fans try not to reference pokephilia challenge. (IMPOSSIBLE)
10:17 whoa who's that haha
"They must have amnesia, they forgot that I'm shiny locked"
A +2 in Sp. Defense.
This shine ain't nothing to me 'mon
@@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 I'm a dog. I'm BITEing the psychic types in the bath.
Ballin so hard they thought I was a voltorb.
Flipped a whole naclstack into a garganacl
You could tell if the shiny beast doesn't have event moves if it's not in a Cherish Ball in later generations
I paid to be in the outro and it was worth it. Jokes aside, i love your essay content and am so glad my contribution helps you out and all the content i love. Keep it up man!
I think that everyone should run shinys so that they can be distributed
People just hack them in anyway
@user-ye2gv1xy9q That's not really the point.
For Gyarados, there were other ways of getting Bounce. In Platinum, Gyarados and Magikarp could learn it via move tutor, Magikarp could get it from the Pokewalker in Gen IV and Dream World in Gen V.
VGC doesnt allow transfer moves
It's also a Tutor Move in ORAS and USUM.@@MoxieBoosted
Listening to you talk about niche Pokémon VGC facts while the logic theme from persona 4 plays is uniquely entertaining; big fan of this style of content
Shiny galar birds (except zapdos) is comedy gold if it somehow works
I've seen shiny Galar Moltress troll TF out of people on showdown.
"Jealous"
As if 99 times out of 100 that team isnt entirely genned
I knew that opener would russle some feathers
People would think my teams are fake but they just cant comprehend someone putting work into them
@@The_Sphinx-22This is code for “sweatshop,” right?
I've been working on my shiny mons for over a decade 😭
@@The_Sphinx-22it's a hard job. One that you'll only need to do at most 3 times per pokemon.
the advantage shinies give is that they Look Cool and therefor I Hit Harder
for real though thats super cool something thats just cosmetic does have that small upper hand (or detriment) to em in high comp play
This man must be an Ork player
Fun part of using full shinies is I assume my opponents just think im using hacked mons and don’t know how to play.
Especially on casual lololol
^^’
Same 😂😂 and I even go the extra detail for apriball shinies but theyre all legit. Perks of being a vgc exclusive shiny hunter, no time sunk on a living dex just boxes of battle ready shinies
“You’re using hacked mons! You should be banned!”
My brother in christ, I like the color palette
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I guide others to a treasure I cannot possess
I went from 2” to 6’2 as well! Oh and I guess I grew taller too
One I remember from reading a smogon analysis is that Genescect must always be shiny. An event distributed a shiny Genescect with shift gear, a potent boosting move. This was good enough set to even be part of one of the recommended sets, as opposed to a choice scarf set which operates entirely differently (boosing sweeper vs momentum pivot), making this one of the most important mons to have as a shiny (outside Greninja, of course).
Btw did you know that greninja cant have battle bond if shiny?
It can't be female too, that means Greninja is unviable if it's black or a woman
@@TheOlSlacker 💀
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@@TheOlSlackerYes hello IGN? Boy do I have an article for you...
surprised you didn't mention that in gen 2 because of the way shinies are generated shinies are usually if not always worse than the standard counterpart
thats bc theres no vgc in gen 2
I love your PFP haha
I love that you popped off, I’ve been here since you had like 3k viewers per video. It’s great content and I’m glad you’ve had success!
Shiny rayquaza was unable to have V-Create, that’s the only other example I can think of
Ah, Pokemon mind games. Will never forget the first time my best friend hit my Mega Venusaur with a fire attack. It has Thick Fat but still pops up that "it's super effective!"
For the gen 2 trio in gen 4 singles, there is an important note you glanced over.
The shiny optimization for Suicune and Raikou (and Entei if you don't want adamant nature) have suboptimal fixed natures. Suicune has relaxed (negative speed) and Raikou has Rash (negative sp. def). So if you want to bluff Aura Sphere Raikou, you have to run rash nature instead of something like timid/modest. The reason for this is that the trio were only given out in a Cherish Ball. There are no legitimate ways of getting a shiny non-rash Raikou in a cherish ball in gen 4. In the games you can see what type of pokeball your opponent uses for each Pokemon. So for VGC you have to run rash Raikou to bluff Aura Sphere.
But the issue is that Smogon (primary place for gen 4 singles) does not show the ball of the opponent's Pokemon. This is a problem because it means you can run a shiny Timid Raikou to bluff Aura Sphere and it is indistinguishable from an event shiny rash Raikou. This means in singles, there is a FALSE OPTIMIZATION. This optimization is still a thing but it is a weaker optimization.
In the real games you can use a shiny Raikou to bluff Aura Sphere but it MUST BE RASH. In smogon singles, you can run a shiny Raikou with any nature to bluff Aura Sphere.
This is an important distinction that must be made because currently Smogon allows an optimization that does not exist in the real games.
About the Johto beasts and shiny Gyarados if you pay attention to the ball animation when it’s sent you could immediately tell if it an event one even if shiny because they were all distributed in Cherish Balls.
another one that didn't get mentioned was shiny genesect which released through an event with blaze kick and extreme speed which weren't available to genesect otherwise (blaze kick later became available to all genesect in generation 8)
Mythical Pokémon usually aren't allowed in VGC
Babe wake up new vid goes hard
Shiny moxieboosted is a really pretty pink I saw it with my own eyes once
For ones like the shiny legendary beasts or the shiny gyarados, you can't actually use just any shiny, it has to be another event one, as they'll be in the event exclusive cherish ball, if they are in any other ball you know for sure it's not those specific events
Just thought I'd mention it
7:36 I mean, to be fair, he also has a Charizard Y on the table
Good thing nature mints let us use shiny koko. Still mad that the removal of transfer moves means heatran lost eruption. Just one gen after it could run it with a timid nature too.
There was actually a separate shiny Tapu Koko distribution in USUM, which wasn't nature-locked. It was late 2019 though (compared to the Timid one which was early-mid 2017), so all of gen 7's VGCs had come and passed. Fine for Smogon tiers, though.
0:51 Poor Gengar. He deserves a better shiny color.
At least the mega form looks awesome and is getting it back.
Actually the shiny colour is great, the issue is that the non shiny colour got so desaturated in 3D that they now look so similar.
If regular Gengar would still have this popping purple then it would be an insane shiny
Currently cleaning up on ranked ladder with my shiny entei from gen 4 that i've brought forward for years. Mints/hyper training have done wonders for old event pokemon
No way, Ranger contributing to one (1) Pokemon's viability. This is why Shadows of Almia is truly the GOAT
Moxie I like that you acknowledge the existence of Smogon despite being primarily a VGC player. Unlike someone else that pretends it doesn’t exist and is inconsequential because it’s not “official” despite having millions of games every month
I honestly can't think of any vgc players that don't also play smogon tbh. So I got no clue who you're referring to
In a some similar way, Zeraora normally wasn't used in his shiny form, due to it being only obtainable in Gen 9, so it couldn't have the tutor move Knock Off, something that a Gen 8 Zeraora could have
Uhh… last time Zeraora shiny was obtainable was in 2020, through a Home distribution from a raid battle event.
That was in Sword and Shield.
Besides, Zeraora is unavailable in Scarlet/Violet and can't be transferred to them either. It can literally only be used in Gen 7 and 8
Dude the music in this! First you use the gambling sound from Simpsons hit and run and then you put meteor herd from sa2b. You're the goat
7:37 "undoubtably." That ain't a word man :D lol
I still have my original copy of the entei raikou and suicune, it’s so cool being able to use them again in vgc even if they ain’t the best. I used to think it was so cool having sheer cold and suicune and I remember some of my friends being jealous of me in middle school 😂😂
I remember there was one heatah fajita video where cte was forced to run shiny genesect so he can use espeed, so he made the entire team shiny to hide it
Shiny Blacephalon (and Smeargle, I guess) get a special animation for using Mind Blown. Doesn't change anything other than the ball being blue instead of white, but it's pretty cool.
In gen 2, being shiny told your opponent some of your IVs.
Shiny galarian legendary birds can really mess with someone's mind.
If they get confused, they straight up deserve that
In the generation that shinies debutted - gen 2 - shinies were actually sub-optimal since they needed to have a specific set of IVs to be shiny, and they werent the maxed out ones. People called maxed out IVs 'perfect pokemon' and shinies werent perfect.
The persona 3 test music tho. Great vid too
You make the greatest Pokemon videos
Blood with the Charizard plushie is a menace and I love him for it
Gyarados has been able to learn Bounce via Move Tutor since Gen IV, so I don't see how that event distribution changed anything.
Transfer moves aren't allowed in vgc that's why
Fun fact: Tatsugiri's Shiny forms, like its regular colors, are also real types of sushi. 🍣
Who would have guessed?
This is a great channel!! I hope you get to make some longer videos in the future…
Rayquaza is another suboptimal shiny because it signals that it doesn't have the absurdly powerful V-Create, which was given to a Japan-only event Rayquaza. And in formats where it's legal, it's better to run shiny Genesect since it got Extreme Speed and Shift Gear from a movie distribution.
Something I want to point as well is that For generation 2 with how hidden power was based on stats along with its shinyness. A shiny Pokémon would always have hidden power grass or dragon at either BP 49 or 69
Missed opportunity to make a "All Shinies Are Hacked" joke in the video.
9:52 Haven't seen the famous Wolfe's hacked/generated Raichu in a while. I remember watching that Raichu use Endeavor live lol. I was like, "No waayyy" lol
Wasn’t wolfee’s raichu a reward for the pikachu cup back then? Pretty sure there’s an entire vid abt it lol
Albeit it was distributed as a pikachu
It wasn't hacked, it was just the WORLD CHAMP DIF BABYYYYYYY !
Fly in the Freedom best SA2 track CHANGE MY MIND
Ofc
"Who would bother going for the shiny Charizard X amiright?"
> Me, liking Shiny Zard X better than regular Zard and Charizard Y's shinies.
That shade of blue-green/teal is my favorite color. It contrasts really well with the bright red and I love it. It also feels- very vaguely since the colors aren't exact- like a Salamence reference. With the blue-green and the red. Also because Salamence's regular form is Blue and its shiny is Green.
I decided to imagine that level 4 Rattata was instead a level 1 Paras.
With all the new nature mints you’d think the shiny’s that are nature locked could be changed and therefore become even more hidden weapons because they’d expect the original and get the competitive version
I get where you're coming from, but it wouldn't happen to anybody other than mega-nerds specializing in other formats playing absentmindedly or distracted by something else, and would result in a pretty funny twitch clip, but unlikely to amount to anything more
So you're saying that Greninja would not be optimal if it was black or a woman
Just like real life
Assassin's Creed Shadows be like💀
Love the editor
When I learned that as of Gen 9, you can't transfer Pokemon from earlier generations that have "special" moves they'd normally not have... (I got a shiny Mew that took a while to get Fake Out via Gale of Darkness, then transferred it up from Gen 3, only to find out after Gen 8, they *take away any special moves given to Pokemon*)
Same thing happened with Lugia via Gale of Darkness too (if you transfer it from Gen 3, up to Gen 8 it's fine... but going to Gen 9 they take away Psycho Boost)
Really sucks though since, while I know Mew isn't able to be used in VGC, you can't have it with Fake Out in doubles in Gen 9 due to this removal. (no idea why they made this change except to make it so that "everyone has the same playing field")
Makes even less since due to Mew being the Pokemon that "learns every move" but then... taking it away lol...
The plushie mindgame lmaoooo 😅
I shiny hunted all 3 versions of tatsugiri with 0 IV Atk, just beacuse it is a Sp. Atker. I just refuse to have sub optimal mons 😂
Bounce Magikarp was also obtainable on the Winner's Path on the PokeWalker. It has a bunch of other special pokemon, but sadly was also only distributed through an event.
Magikarp can learn Bounce via move tutors in Platinum, HGSS, B2W2 and USUM. So it wasn't really an issue of it being event-exclusive in general. It's just that during SM's VGC 2017, transfer moves were banned, and USUM wasn't out yet so no access to the move tutors.
@@alliinase9076 Wow, turns out all but the Munchlax on Winner's Path have attacks that are either egg moves or move tutor. Munchlax got selfdestruct, which wouldn't be an egg move for a few generations. And here I thought a muddy water Horsey and zen headbutt Beldum were special.
Landorus incarnate in gen 7 monotype and ubers couldn't be run shiny as at the time the only way to get it's hidden ability was through dream radar which was shiny locked so by running a shiny you where telling them you has sand force meaning the set was physical as apposed to sheer force sets that where mixed or special attackers
Technically it doesn't even help to converse information to run the shinies. All of these event Pokemon come in cherish balls so running a shiny to conserve the information of what moves you can have was literally worthless if your opponent was smart enough to watch the ball when sending them out unless you had the event Pokemon itself. I've heard about people shiny hunting Gyarados in 2017 because they thought it would help them and it's very silly how much time was wasted for NOTHING.
The opponent needs to check for the split second the ball in the air. If they're busy writing stuff on their notes or just not attentive this matters alot
@@MoxieBoostedAnd if they're playing optimally they would check that.
Oh this is such a great point. If someone is seriously researched and experienced enough to know what moves a mon can/can’t have based on it being shiny in-the-moment, they’re obviously going to be attentive enough to make sure they watch the ball animation.
7:28 i love the more psychological aspect of competitive games especially outside of the game itself
iirc, an example you didnt mention is in gen2. you never really want to run shinies since they have a stat disadvantage due to the way that shinyness is determined in gen2.
Shiny Galarian Moltres is great on low ladder for the way if bluffs being a fire type
Never knew about this for shinys!
honestly surprised gen 2 didn't get brought up.
I just like running shiny Pokemon cause I hunted for them and they're my babies
I forgot how awesome Greninja's shiny was! That Ash-Greninja needs to return! The new Battle Bond ability is ight
We might get to see it in PLZ.
I am definitely going to be trying for as ll of my competitive teams to be shiny. The extra tilt might win you the match.
Couldn't they just tell based on the ball they were caught in? Like if your shiny Suicune isn't in a Cherish Ball that's a dead giveaway.
Only a split second to check so you get an advantage in game 1 likely
The opponent can also just watch the pokeball animation, if its cherish ball theyll know it has special moves
9:20 Shadow Pokemon *can* be shiny. I forget who made a video about ribbon mastering a shiny pokemon from Colosseum, but I'll edit this comment later if I remember.
Couldnt you tell the beasts apart by their cherish ball?
You only have a moments glance to tell
I feel lonely as the sole fan/lover of Shiny Zard X....
Tapu Koko did eventually get a shiny event in Gen 7 that could have any nature
Based Splatoon music 🗣️🗣️🗣️
i gotchu
@@murkiri Goat
I will always run full shiny teams cause inworked to hunt them so ima use them dang it.
What would Heatran even NEED choice specs to kill from full HP?
Or was that just a hedge against being outsped so you could still click Eruption and do big damage even if you didn't have speed advantage to make it usable against mons without super effective damage agaibst Heatran?
Greninja was my first thought seeing the title. Didn't realize it's never been VGC legal though.
Kind of hoping Legends Z-A brings Ash-Greninja back, I don't really like the one-off stat boost Battle Bond was changed to in SV. Even if it has to stay VGC illegal, being a pseudo Mega is _so_ much cooler.
No,Ting-Lu runs Fissure to make it’s Stomping Tantrum a MURDER-MOVE,it goes one of two ways:
One:You hit Fissure and the opponent dies
Or Two:You miss and Stomping Tantrum does double damage
Another set of shinies that can trick people who aren't that good/aren't paying attention is the shiny Galarian forms of the legendary birds, especially Galarian Moltres. Since all threes' shiny colors are just the color schemes of the Gen 1 birds, if someone isn't paying attention then they attempt to hit your psychic/flying galarian articuno with a normally neutral fighting move, just as one example. Galarian Moltres is the best one to do this with just because Zapdos and Articuno have very distinctive postures in their galarian forms that make them a lot more difficult to mess up, while shiny Galarian Moltres looks practically identical to normal Kantonian Moltres
Started Pokemon X in the New Year. Been taking my time raising diverse teams and Pokemon I've never used before. Really taking time to explore and talk with npcs. Z-A IS ANNOUNCED, get the super rod. Go back to route 3. Instant shiny Gyrados. (Naive, nods off alot.) I named her Lucky.
As a more casual VGC player who doesn’t even grind for optimal IVs there is no way in hell I am going for the shiny forms of any of these Pokémon
4:08 Can't have Entei in *insert the state of ur choice here* 💀
oh I was just making my team almost all shiny because it looks cool
I recognized every song in this video. I think they're under SEGA these days. Great taste!
Major respect to the plushie guy.
To everyone that takes the time to breeds for egg moves, breeds for perfect stats, and breeds for shiny.
There’s a reason we make it to masterball every ranked season we play, anyone can pick up a hacked Mon. But they can’t fake our dedication,
See you in the next regulation, you deserve to be there ❤️❤️❤️
As someone who does everything you said and doesn't hack:
Bro chill it's not that deep lmfao
so you're telling me it was disadvantageous for greninja to be black or female...