What Happens to Gas Stations When the World Goes Electric? | Emily Grubert | TED
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2023
- When the world goes fully electric, what happens to the cars, tools and livelihoods that rely on fossil fuels? Civil engineer and environmental sociologist Emily Grubert visualizes what a clean energy future will look like, outlining the considerations everyone needs to undertake now as the critical, decades-long transition begins.
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Wouldn't it make practical sense for gas stations to add electric charging to their business in order to stay profitable?Raising to price of gas as the demand drops until ultimately maintaining only one gas pump for the rare user of antique cars.
Wawa does this already at least
That's what they're doing in France
In the UK we're just jacking EV chargers into lamp posts.
At this moment electric car can't be served with same speed ICE cars are. There's no way to fully charge EV car in same time as fill the tank.
Yes that is now happening being rolled out as service stations change their model to convince stores but still 94% of new vehicles being sold in Australia are petrol that means they will need 10 years (current average) of petrol. So in 15 years 2030 there will be more larger changes.
I’ve heard a dozen Ted talks identical to this video:
“We have a climate problem, we don’t have a plan, but we need one. I don’t have the answers, but something needs to be done. I’m here to tell you it’s going to be ok, because we will make a plan. This is my Ted talk, thank you”
That’s basically the formula for Ted talks. I swear, most of these people either just love to hear themselves talk or this is their audition monologue and they hope maybe they’ll be discovered. Kind of useless. Talk less.
Exactly. And such bullshit talks usually trigger the easiest plan of all: legal ban on something.
What happened to Videostores when streaming took over .? Simple . They will either disapear or convert to something else needed in the area
One of the most profound and important discussions I've listened to. A very real wake up call for us all.
Same thing that happened to all the phone booths when everyone switched over to cellphones!
Or when big boxy TVs gave way to slim flat screens.
Adaptation will always take effect!
flat screens were better than boxes................ev's have no benefits, are not feasible on a grand scale (perhaps intentional) and are more environmentally destructive
Items used as examples were both technically better (TVs) or offered possibilities previous solutions could not offer (Mobile phones). This is not a case with BEV. They are not in any signigicant aspect better except in-place emissions. Maybe hydrogen powered cars could solve some problems but due to chemical properties of energy sources it will never be the same level of use comfort as with classic cars.
1:30 key words there “over the next FEW DECADES”. Gas station owners have nothing to fear for a looooong while.
What happens to all the car batteries that go bad or are in a vehicle that is not salvageable? Aren't they more harmful to the environment?
Lithium ion batteries, like lead acid batteries now, are recycled. They are way too valuable to throw away. You didn't ask what happens to the gasoline that is burned? Why? Every peer-reviewed study shows that from cradle-to-grave, EVs and the materials that go into them are much less damaging that fossil fuel vehicles. This is easy to look up.
Not sure this really answered the question. Petrol stations will stay as charging stops where you'll eat and buy some snacks for the road.
They will be a good place to water our horses….
The way i see it is gas stations will transition to charging stations. Not all at first but they'll be ice engines for decades. But as manufacturers move toward all electric like Volkswagen and GM that's still going to require gasoline, tires and suspension components.
Thank God❤
So my question is what we going to do with everything that needs oil to be produce
We use oil for it, obviously. But we're not gonna burn it for energy anymore
@@manuelm.1356 lol you make no sense you understand the process of making all the stuff and how much more pollution it still brings
It doesn’t matter what the beginning of your story is like. The pages before you are blank. You are the one who gets to decide what is written. It is a story you will constantly revisit as you shape your path. You will discover interests hidden around the next corner, or the next.
So keep going. Tumble into this realm as often as you like. Write your story. Start where you are. And change the ending.
Totally concur😊
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone
EV batteries are easily recycled but not enough of them are fully dead yet to justify building recycling plants. They are probably just piling up somewhere to be recycled later. Barring defects, these batteries last 15 to 20 years in an EV (longer than the vehicle usually lasts) and are then used for another couple decades as grid storage batteries until they are fully dead. Come back in 40 years to discuss further. Once recycling is going strong we won't need as much lithium and rare earth mining as we do now with the new buildout. Recycling is starting to happen now.
See two news stories...
*Gigafactories are recycling old EV batteries into new ones*
and
*EVs Are Essential Grid-Scale Storage*
Adapt or die. Gas (Petrol) Stations can be reinvented as "energy" Stations. Offers there could include decent cafes even internet cafes.
Waypoint (large REIT owning land) are rebranding petrol stations as connivence retail outlets that sell energy (power & gas).
Some will close slowly as has been the case for well over a decade now.
So we need to worry about an issue IF we succeed in reducing global warming - which we haven't come close to?
there should be prorams to replace as stations with either charfingstation or publick transit stations.
The coal industry has been a bonanza for investors as new mines have been banned. New Hope Coal is generating extraordinary returns than to export shipments across the world from Australia.
I believed too that coal was dead sold my shares in new hope for $1… man have l missed out 😩 massive returns and soaring prices as we try to meet crazy demand.
Huge IF actually, just in the US even.
Thank you 🙏
Take out the fuel pumps and replace them with charging ports . Add a little deli inside like a lot of them already have and there you are ...
cause everyone has money for a new ev or access to public transit... and what about agricultural vehicles crucial in proving the country with food. You think every farmer has money to replace all of their extremely exprnsive machinery?
This is relatively stupid idea. If You can charge You car at home there's no reason to use "energy stations". Gas stations thrived because no one was able to fill his car at home.
But this is the oposite in case of EV.
As usual most of these comments didn't actually watch even 1.1% of the video
There's no need to watch. Read the transcript it's way faster.
This is such a nonissue. We’ve upgraded our lives and changed power sources before.
you didn´t even talked about the future of gas stations, just brawled about a bunch of problems we all know they are already there.
CALIFORNIA CONSERVATIVE:
Seriously! 🤨
This whole Ted Talk could have taken place in Sacramento, hosted by Gavin Newsom!
😒🙄😜
Uh, oh. You tricked me.
Have a great week!
Some people have to work somewhere. Now it seems that bio fuel is starting to take over, there's got to be work for this. Ether that or people are going to starve. Land has to come from somewhere. All that corn and sugar has to be grown somewhere. Ether that or people are going to get thinner.
It’s amazing how little the environmental experts know about the environment.
Not only about environment. About technology either. We heard today not a single technology based proposal.
There is not enough lithium in the world to accomplish this.
"clean energy" lmao
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Electric will never work unless some genius figures out how to create more of it easily.
We already did.
Sorry, that comment doesn't make any sense
@@manuelm.1356
Why? Are You sure there will be plenty of electric energy at any time for all our needs? I wouldn't be so sure.
@@orishaeshu1084
Really? Power stations is a complex machinery.
And so called green energy also requires significant technical support if You wan't to have high quality energy (proper voltage and frequency) at any moment.
So not that much more nor easely.
@@JanKowalski-vj9py you don’t hav the answers Kowalski
I mean its very hard to make batteries that could be that ecofriendly..
Worry about the environmental destruction caused by the fossil fuel industry before pretending to care about the environment
Lithium ion and sodium ion batteries will do just fine. The majority of the materials can be recycled. And supplying the materials to build them will require *less* mining than with fossil fuels.
They do what they are already doing. They will put up car chargers and diesel powered generators for them.
@@anonymouslifeseekerand you can only charge your car on nice sunny days. No overnight trips I guess.
@@anonymouslifeseekerwe are decades away and billions, maybe trillions, of dollars in infrastructure upgrades away from widespread use of electric vehicles and renewable energy. In the meantime gas and diesel generators will continue to charge your EVs when travelling away from home.
In the U.S., unless the federal government takes the lead with the planned energy transition we need to prevent chaos, we'll have 50 individual state transitions each going a different direction. States such as TX, AK, WY, whose economies rely heavily on the fossil fuel industry will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the new green energy future. The herding cats scenario.
When you say so much without saying anything at all.
I would love to have this skill 😅
Me too
Agreed! I kept waiting for her to get to the point.
A lot of the complaints I hear about EV's mimic very closely to the transition from horses to automobiles.
But what about the infrastructure? Are we seriously going to build gas stations everywhere?
Cars run out of fuel, horses don't. (Well I mean they can, but it's much more rare.) And then someone finds a picture of a gas powered car towing an electric, like gas powered cars were never towed by horses in the olden days.
What I don't think we heard much about at the time was, what are the environmental impacts of drilling for oil everywhere. That does concern me as we transition to using more and more lithium ion batteries. Hopefully we an find a better battery technology soon, after all only recently were lead batteries the most common.
It all does not mimic transitions from horses to cars. It is transition from cars to horses. Think about it this way. It's transition from hard steel machinery to something that requires care quite similar to an animal. It's transition from fast an reliable to horse drawn carriage. Well standard horse carriage has no heating just like EV.
"Better batteries" mimics Hitler's quest for "miracle weapons" It may never happen and even if, it won't change much. It may require exotic materials it may be prohibitively expensive.
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Fossil fuels aren't going anywhere in the next 100 years people.........
as stations o not realy create vert many jobs . les car repare beeded for eectric cars will make tons ,ore mevanics loose there jobs.
Please arrange on video programe with Mr imran khan Ex PM of pakistan to create awareness about human rights of Pakistani people please.
Don’t worry, the world will be fine. We on the other hand will be fucked.
Ms. Grubert; your comments are interesting and thought provoking. Our economy is not "coal based" and the coal analogy is a red herring argument. You highlight a "fundamental misunderstanding" by people regarding the role of oil in their everyday lives. Our economy is "oil based". Your eye glasses, skin care products, wrist band, and shoes all come from oil as do the tires (and many other parts) on an electric car (a great endeavor); as well as the road it drives on. Your pillow, bed, couch, flooring, and most of the items in your house are oil based. NG/LP for home heating/hot water is here to stay which is an economical back up for "off grid" homes (another great endeavor). Solar, wind, hydro and nuclear power stations cannot exist without oil. Oil is here to stay and will always be part of this economy.
The US does not equal the world.
No, but the US is a huge contributing source for pollution.
Let's join together to do all we can to conquer the challenges mankind faces in the future.
Or die as a civilization.
Choose life.
She addressed that at the beginning
@@michel3691 china is twice the polluter. They are building 1 coal fired plant every week.
I see that you didn’t actually watch the talk. This is about THEIR experience and the US is THEIR work space. Talk to an EU or Asian leader about their own solution.
Never mind Gas Stations, what happens to the TAR that binds the pavement together when we no longer get this as s byproduct of oil! Electric cars still need roads! Potholes here we come!!
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I’m cool with electric but what happens when a hurricane hits and no one has power to charge their cars. Do they just stay trapped
Can’t pump gas without electricity. It isn’t EVs waiting in line at gas stations during a power outage. EVs start every day with 300+ miles and lasts many days and if home solar no worries at all
If you have home solar and batteries or a solar car there's nothing to worry about. Plus EVs can drive through water.
Ever seen an EV vehicle catch fire and burn to death the occupants because you can’t put water on it? I have…..
Every store can sell a jerry can filled with gas. At 15$ per gallon or more.
the world (ie the rich West)
how is this a Ted Talk
HYDROGEN for Hydrogen Fuel cells!
Volatile, pernicious, inefficient, expensive and the cars performance are worse.
The shift to EVs and clean energy is happening because of simple economics as it’s more profitable compared to fossil fuels
Nothing will happen. Current Electric only works for highly populated areas. 76% of the US would never go electric.
The world doesn't go electric anytime soon, and if the push thru they will massively fail.
So you are planning on walking everywhere after 2035?
Brown out likely, at least initially. I'm all for it but this is super multifaceted and lots of folks keep this aspiration abstract as long as possible.
The world will never go full electric vehicles
Let’s be realistic - we won’t be going fully electric
I totally concur. Great point. There are millions of people who cannot afford to ever buy an electric car. What is forgotten is the fact that as there is a greater need for electricity, the greater the cost of it will be. I live in Canada. In the Province I live in, there are tiers of cost of electricity. If you are using electricity during the day time, essentially, you are paying more. It is another way to fleece people.
@@cdpgbc-mw2kz .. I concur with your concurrence 😄
Moreover, the cost (both economically and environmentally) of mining those metals and minerals needed to enable this ‘electric transformation’ appears to far outweigh the benefits of electric alternatives to fossil fuels
Real question: What happens to The atmosphere when all cars are electric? Nothing
It's not just cars that are the goal. It's energy, food, manufacturing etc.
buy an old diesel car.. you can refill with sunflower oil
so find a supermarket.
Sunflower oil is about $20 per gallon at the grocery store. Good in an emergency but that's not a long term solution.
@@Phornax7 free out the back door any fast food restaurant
@@nelsongilbert1695 That stopped being a thing, a long time ago. Or I should say, by the time you get to the front of the line, the free stuff has run out.
What happens to the power grid when everything goes electric 🤣... the power grid never had any issues, right?!
A huge X CME
Still going to need gas to run the generators to power the electric cars.
Solar, wind and batteries
@Jh5578 - What about mining all the materials to build the solar panels & wind turbines that only last a few years then fill landfills.
@@traubd They last 25 - 30 years and most of the materials can be recycled. Per TWh produced it takes *less* mining to have an energy grid of wind, solar and batteries compared to taste of fossil fuels.
@@jhunt5578 - Not according to the documentaries I've seen.
@@traubd dito
💰❤️ Electric cars are not here to save the planet they are here to save the declining automobile industry
Duh 🙄🤦 we going eco friendly
It's not going to happen in our lifetime! Somewhere down the line, many of the vehicles will be ECO Friendly. It's just anytime soon. There are too many obstacles their still in development with as we speak.
JMO, plus certified in many areas of Electric vehicles for the future.
The people who know the facts concerning Electric Vehicles "are not" talking.
The people who don't know are making som very bold statements "without" knowing any of the facts.
The Oil Companies are going to be heavily involved as well.
She thinks she"s on NPR
Transhumanism
Affordable synthetic gasoline happens.
EVs will still be cheaper. Besides that the emissions from engine cars kill people. I can turn an EV on with the garage door closed and nothing will happen. Try and do that with an engine car.
@@jhunt5578 Somehow you've brought cost and emissions into the discussion. Smooth brain.
gas stations stay. Just gonna be longer queues unfortunately. as the charging times are abysmal.
Very easy, they sell biomethane and hydrogen
Good one, really laughed
Fossil fuels are never going away.
Well considering oil will literally run out soon, yes they will go away.
@@Dynasty1818 how soon?
@@Dynasty1818 they keep finding more oil. Most things like plastics are made out of oil. It is a natural resource.
@@mkhud50n Oil is a limited resource, like taking water from a bathtub over and over. Eventually it'll run out. WHICH IS WHY we're shifting to green sources for energy, which is why cars are going electric. Not just because of emissions, but oil is disappearing. Why are Shell and BP etc making so much money right now? Because they're holding back oil supply to keep prices high, so they make maximum profit. Why? Because oil is a dying industry, they're not re-investing their own money any more to expand new oil fields and equipment like they've done the last few decades as oil isn't a safe investment any more. BP and Shell have technically always made this much money, they just spent their revenue on reinvestments in oil and that brought their profits down. They don't do that any more, so make billions more in profits. Maximum profits to the shareholders and CEO etc because the curtain on oil is falling. It's not some "consipracy" and greed, it's maximizing profits before your own industry dies.
@@Dynasty1818 it’s debatable that oil is a limited resource. It’s part of the earth. It’s not like you’re taking it off the planet. The earth recirculates all of its materials and there is evidence that oil is constantly being naturally produced.
The oil companies said there was a limited amount of oil. To keep their prices up. They also just found what might be the largest oil reserve yet.
We need oil to produce most modern products.
The push to electric is a political move that gives more power to China. They control most of the worlds mineral supply that makes batteries. Which are not environmentally safe and also pose a huge fire hazards and aren’t as reliable in colder weather. The green energy push is a power grab by China. Batteries are not as efficient as oil. Oil is a natural resource. Trees breathe carbon dioxide. Life was most abundant when carbon dioxide levels were at their highest. That was way before humans existed and there were no man made pollutants.
Just saying there’s way more oil than they say. Oil is a natural resource.
spoiler alert it won't happen
TED really fell off. or is this the quality of their premises and content always?
What's wrong with this?
How about splitting h20 in to hydrogen in a fuel injection system that could be retrofitted to any modern engine ? O that’s right never mind .
That’s a useless waste of energy. From a pollution perspective it is far preferable to just continue burning oil rather than hydrogen-anything. It is an enormous waste of electricity that could be doing much more good decarbonizing heating
Hydrogen is a strong green house gas and extremely leaky (indirectly, by protecting atmospheric methane from oxidation).
Hydrogen is volatile, pernicious and inefficient. Why bother using green electricity and wasting to make Hydrogen, when you can just plug it straight into EVs?
The rein of the a anti-christ begins? Along with the whole digital currency thing yeah, pretty much.
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LITHIUM IN THE WORLD TO REPLACE ALL FOSSIL FUEL CARS AND TRUCKS!!!!!!!!
Not true and do u think lithium will be the only way to make batteries in the future. Small mindset u have
thats why they will make it to expensive to drive a car anyway
and force you to live in a 15 minute city/gulag.
@@stevefaulkner4678 We got 8 years to cut fossil fuel use in half to avoid catastrophic climate change that destroys the global farming system. Tell me big brain, what technology do you know of that can store electricity with the density of lithium now? You will be eating bugs just like everyone else talking about that new technology that is just around the corner.
@@gitmoholliday5764 I wouldn't call Paris a gulag.
This is greda older sister, HOW DARE YOU
Only fools are going electric
Please explain.
@keithlightminder3005 you still need oil to mine for all the materials.
Only fools stop riding a horse🐎😆
Tesla Model Y will be the best selling car this year.
I am quite fine with humans being inconvenienced by the transition to electric vehicles
nothing because the world won't go electric or run out of oil
Economics disagrees
All the dopes in the comments saying EVs will never happen don't realise that it's already over. EVs are about at price parity with engine cars, they are cheaper to fuel, cheaper to maintain and the battery tech and renewable energy are getting cheaper and more efficient year over year. It's not like the model T was made and then engine cars didn't get more efficient. You've seen nothing yet.
Meanwhile as Europe, America and Japan drag their heels on EVs (bar Tesla) China are making compelling, cheap, mass produced EVs. Recall the "The Japanese invasion", "The Chinese Invasion" is looming. When it happens don't act like I didn't inform you.
I think the biggest problem is the supply chain for the batteries. There is not enough minable (or at least, known minable) sources of lithium, cobalt, and the various rare earth metals required for battery production to completely replace carbon based fuels. Until more advanced battery technologies are developed that can be scaled up without these bottlenecks, I don't see electric as being able to completely replace traditional gasoline engines entirely.
@@SSJ0016 That's simply not the case. The European federation of transport and environment study "from dirty oil to clean batteries" shows that EVs consume 300 to 400 times less key resources than an engine car in its lifetime when you take recycling into the equation. We're talking lithium, cobalt, nickel, manganese, graphite, aluminium, copper. We can recycle 95% of the batteries materials. You cannot do that with fossil fuel production. By switching to EVs we'll require *less* mining and *less* materials.
On top of that battery tech is using less rare earth's as they advance. Sodium Ion and sodium / lithium ion hybrids are already being used. The futures cost on lithium have *literally halved* due to lowered lithium demand. We're finding more and more lithium deposits every year simply because we're looking for it, it's one of the most common elements on earth, but until now the demand hasn't been there for it. Cobalt isn't used LFP battery chemistries at all. Plus fossil fuel companies use tons of Cobalt. The US used 216m pounds of Cobalt last year, and that Cobalt cannot be recycled unlike with EVs. Tesla have just announced a rare earth free motor going into their new EV models. I could go on.
@@jhunt5578 You could go on or you could realize that I already pointed out new technologies need to be developed to "completely replace gasoline engines." If new tech was not required, then why would all of the technological innovations you mentioned even be necessary? They are necessary because we are not there yet, not by a long shot. Demand has outstripped supply of Lithium for several years in a row, and its price per ton reflects that reality. Forecasts predict that demand is not going anywhere but up. That's why technological innovation, while ongoing, is still necessary to close the gap. All of the things you mention added together does not change this fact. Now consider that in order to eliminate gasoline engines we would need significantly more raw materials and manufacturing capacity than we do currently. Where is that going to come from if already we can't produce enough of the stuff?
@@SSJ0016 When I wrote "its already over" I mean that peak demand for engine cars has already happened, current and future EVs are already ending engines. The best selling car this year will be the Tesla Model Y. We already have superior EV technology coming in the next phase of products, already designed, going into production. The technology only gets better from here on out wheras engine tech stays still.
We actually agree more innovation is needed. I'm simply saying that innovation is all but garunteed, its Wright's law in action. I don't see how engine vehicles can survive current and coming innovations.
The free market will take advantage of any high demand for materials, as does innovation like less need for lithium and more lithium deposits being found which are currently happening. Aluminium used to be the rarest metal on earth, now we use it to wrap burritos. Once bottle necks are surpassed its less demand for these elements not more.
No we don't need more materials. We need less materials. Less mining. Fossil fuels production requires lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper etc. and those elements are wasted in production. But with EVs they can be recycled. You can pretty much have a circular economy.
Price parity? Where? Maybe in US but not in Europe.With actual energy prices is hard to defend "cheaper to fuel". Dropping prices of renewable energy are nowhere to seen.
Also "You've seen nothing yet" is a typical bullshit as nothing really revolutionary happened last years. Increased BEV range is still due to installing more batteries rather than better batteries. Energy consumption per distance remains preety the same all the time. EV is allready at top of possibilities madated by chemistry and physics so no rapid advance until something unexpcted and revolutionary will be discovered.
Who cares?
Obama's climate czar said climate change is not a crisis.
Decarbonized World? That comment sums up the lack of reality this speaker has.
I'm not going electric. I'm waiting for hydrogen. Electric has big end pollution problems
😂 Hydrogen fuels efficency is 30% at best 40%. You can fuel a Hydrogen car with grey hydrogen or green hydrogen. Most hydrogen comes from grey hydrogen which is made by burning fossil fuels, which obviously emits carbon. So you may as well make a methane fuel cell rather than a hydrogen one, it would be better for the environment and twice as efficient. If you make it from green hydrogen, you use renewable energy to undergo electrolysis by splitting water, then compression and transportation, then the loss of energy by the cars fuels cell you ultimately lose 70% of the energy you put into it.
The hydrogen sits in a fuel sell and that feul sells powers a *lithium ion battery.*
You may as well plug your EV in and get 90% of the energy.
An important word 'waiting'. Not going to go hydrogen until the bugs are sorted out. Grey hydrogen is unacceptable.
@@barbaralindhjem2488 But mate, green hydrogen won't work either. You lose more energy making, compressing and transporting hydrogen only for it to fuel a lithium ion battery in your hydrogen car. Than you lose energy just putting green energy into your pure EV. It's not a case of waiting for hydrogen tech to get better, *it's a matter of physics.* Not only that, no one wants to build hydrogen fuel stations they're too expensive and there's no demand.
Also what big end pollution problems do you think EVs have?
If Trump gets elected in 2024 all this BS will be gone. 😂
"Clean energy" 😂🤡
Going electric makes no sense until we find a reliable source of energy AND overhaul our entire electric grid. This goes for all countries. Right now, all of the electricity comes from fossil fuels and Nuclear and the power grid can't handle everyone owning an electric car.
This won't happen anytime soon.
Any evidence for that statement? Do you actually know tat the grid cannot handle the current sales of EVs going on the grid? Research has shown that EVs running on the grid are better for the environment than engine cars. Renewable energy and battery storage is being built rapidly. Your arguments don't land.
Not true, Germany has got already 50% green energy
Did you solve the semiconductor problem? Did you solve the worlds problem on building semiconductors? Oh that’s right I guess Gas will be around a lot longer than you think and Electric will be out in 20 years.
Who cares?