Wow, love the new view! Yours were already my favourite FSD Beta videos because you put it in the most challenging (yet totally realistic) situations, but this camera angle goes above and beyond!
I really like the new camera setup, but I would tilt the camera up a little.. less hood, more oncoming traffic. Great content, I really appreciate your approach to the testing.
Nah, it's correct. It's an g-force visualization / accelerometer. Not a joystick controlling the speed :) when the point goes up fast, it means the passengers will be thrown forward as well.
I started this because it’s easier for my brain to see the bubble as the mass then the phone. It works better for side by side of the screen. Most people will see the bubble as mass. IMO
It is not flipped. It's as it should be. When you accelerate forward your head gets thrown back. That is what that is representing, the forces felt on the passengers, not the direction the car is moving.
@@SeanLavery using a cell phone accelerometer, so when car stops the phones mass wants to move forwards, and the bubble wants to stay in same place. That being said, I like it much better like it is. Watch the drive before this one and you will see what I mean.
Agreed. This "very good" comment was more for the fact that the car moved over and positioned itself on the left lane. I actually did the same route earlier that day and same conditions, the car didn't move into the left lane. As you saw from your review, the car usually stops too far from the stop lines. This was reported to Tesla with multiple examples of this. Tesla is working on it. Hopefully it will be adjusted in future releases!
Really nice improvement with the display size and overlay! The display is much more readable and doesn't intrude into the view in any meaningful way. Accelerometer seems to me to be in a better orientation showing how it feels to be sitting in the car. Suggest tilting the outdoor camera up slightly so it's possible to see stoplights. If the camera is aimed so the horizon bisects the upper 1/3rd from the lower 2/3rds of the view, that should be about right. This change will cause the display to overlap the road a little but it shouldn't really matter. The mount for the display camera is probably not quite sturdy enough but the result is still very watchable.
Thanks William! The display camera mount is fixed on the central console. It's a 3-suction cup mount. Unfortunately, I can only stick 2 out of 3 properly, there isn't enough room on the central console to stick all 3. I can't activate stabilization otherwise we have issues with sharp left/right turns. I can try and stick the camera to the roof instead of central console, we may have better stability. I'll try that on the next video. I will tilt the roof camera a little bit so we can se further out. Thanks again!
Thanks for the comment Wade. To be fair in a lot of cases, the car does stop too far from the line. I reviewed the video and when the car is on the line, the view seems to be correct. I'll be happy to provide audio comment when I feel that the car is too far from the line so viewers have reassurance that it's not just the camera angle. Would that help?
@@FrenchieFSD Yes, that would be great. When talking to Sandy Munro the other day, Elon stated that the first priority of FSD was not to get in an accident, which I agree is of utmost importance. I realize that we are still at the BETA stage, but it looks like your car would have hit the black car that was turning in front of it, forcing you to take over.
7:01 "Autopilot paused. Waiting for our turn" while it barrels along at 17mph? That's a serious issue they need to fix quickly. Lucky there were no other cars around.
Thanks Wayne. I agree it would be good to have a quick fix for these instances. If you get a chance, take a look at this video from Barefoot Tesla. He does an analysis of it: ruclips.net/video/WbXPy44vPNQ/видео.html
4:24 That is much better -- stopping much closer to where it should (though I would still prefer a few inches further forward). Maybe it was using the other car as a guide.
@Frenchie, maybe track disengagements, interventions, etc for each drive then post a graph or chart at the end of each video. Great way to see progress on your test city loops.
I know accelerometer is reading backwards, but I like it way better. Crazy how brain works! Really love the whole presentation of this drive. I wouldn’t change anything. I also never knew that the blue icon turned before!! Thank you! 😃
2:40 I do not think it was your turn. You (the Tesla FSD) gave up its turn because it stayed too far back from that stop sign/stop line, so it is not clearly "at the intersection waiting for its turn". There is no official rule about this, just human nature and how we intuitively interpret other driver's intentions. Certainly if the Tesla had stopped another full car length further back, that would be too far -- not be close enough to be considered "at the intersection" and when it moved forward again it would need to stop again at the stop sign. Your position there was barely close enough to be considered "stopped at the intersection"... and really I would consider it too far back. If I was the other driver, I would assume you were not taking your turn because you were so far back.
Thanks Scott. I just watched that part again and I (FSD) didn't have the blinker on so that could have confused the other driver as well. Your explanation about being far from he stop line is correct too. So if we had the "no blinker" and "too far from the stop line" I now understand why the other car just proceeded. Great post drive analysis. It's hard for me to notice all that while driving but I like reviewing this afterwards so next time I keep an eye for these things (stop line, blinkers etc...). Thanks agin!
I think it got confused by the second stop sign further down and decided to only stop at that one. To be fair, it's kind of weird, why is the second sign even there and in that place?
Great setup! Just need to tilt the camera up a hair so that maybe the bottom of the camera view is where the hood begins. I realize that there is some value of seeing the road left and right of the fenders to see how close we get to the curb.
You’re stopping so far back from stop signs most of the time you are confusing your fellow drivers. I live in Chicago and I always pull up the the stop line or stop sign. Also why is your car stopping so far behind other cars that are stopped. When you stop too far back you can’t see cross traffic easily especially on streets clogged with parked cars.
Thanks for the feedback. As a reminder, I’m not doing that, the car with FSD is. You are right though. That feedback was shared with Tesla. Hopefully it will be fixed in the future.
@@FrenchieFSD Can this be altered by changing the following interval? Of course two separate interval settings would be better. One for driving and one for stopping. It was fun watching a Chicago streets video. I know most of the places you drove.
There are no settings for FSD in the car. I would assume this can be tweak/adjusted by Tesla team for future builds. They acknowledged our feedback around distance to stop sign so hope they can make those adjustments in the future update.
@@jeffbransky7966 Thanks for the idea. I'll try reducing the following distance and see if that makes a difference. Glad you enjoy the videos. We'll have more coming!
Your confidence in FSD has grown exponentially in the past you would have disengaged on a few of those turns. Overall, I love how the car self corrects.
Totally agree. I still think we could improve a lot of these behaviors (car going on opposite lane, too slow in turns etc...) but I try as much as possible to let the car do its thing before disengaging now. With the snow in Chicago, I'm less worried about curbs at the moment. That might come back once the snow melts :)
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Love the camera on the roof! Also amazing performance so far by FSD
loved the new editing❤️❤️it is way better than any youtuber out there
So glad to see the system has gotten so much better ever since the original beta rolled out.
Wow, love the new view! Yours were already my favourite FSD Beta videos because you put it in the most challenging (yet totally realistic) situations, but this camera angle goes above and beyond!
No turn signal for the first left which is why the opposite driver started to go.
Your videos are great, no ads, no BS, just straight content. Keep the FSD Beta videos coming!
Great idea with the new layout. Cool idea to incorporate accelerometer and disengagement counter. Thanks for the great footage.
Thanks for inverting the accelerometer my friend🙏🏼
Much much better 😍
I really like the new camera setup, but I would tilt the camera up a little.. less hood, more oncoming traffic. Great content, I really appreciate your approach to the testing.
Agreed. Main thing I noticed is that the camera was aimed too low to see the stop lights.
the camera angle with the screen overlaid is great
I like the new setup!
New camera angle is too steep, so cannot see far enough ahead down the road.
Yes there were mistakes, but this was very impressive overall.
Do love the "joystick" visualization, but the acceleration/braking does seem to be flipped on this video
Nah, it's correct. It's an g-force visualization / accelerometer. Not a joystick controlling the speed :) when the point goes up fast, it means the passengers will be thrown forward as well.
I started this because it’s easier for my brain to see the bubble as the mass then the phone. It works better for side by side of the screen. Most people will see the bubble as mass. IMO
It is not flipped. It's as it should be. When you accelerate forward your head gets thrown back. That is what that is representing, the forces felt on the passengers, not the direction the car is moving.
@@SeanLavery using a cell phone accelerometer, so when car stops the phones mass wants to move forwards, and the bubble wants to stay in same place. That being said, I like it much better like it is. Watch the drive before this one and you will see what I mean.
Visuals are significantly improved, thanks.
9:36 not sure I'd say "very good". Again it is stopped 1.5 car lengths too far back.
Agreed. This "very good" comment was more for the fact that the car moved over and positioned itself on the left lane. I actually did the same route earlier that day and same conditions, the car didn't move into the left lane. As you saw from your review, the car usually stops too far from the stop lines. This was reported to Tesla with multiple examples of this. Tesla is working on it. Hopefully it will be adjusted in future releases!
Really nice improvement with the display size and overlay! The display is much more readable and doesn't intrude into the view in any meaningful way. Accelerometer seems to me to be in a better orientation showing how it feels to be sitting in the car. Suggest tilting the outdoor camera up slightly so it's possible to see stoplights. If the camera is aimed so the horizon bisects the upper 1/3rd from the lower 2/3rds of the view, that should be about right. This change will cause the display to overlap the road a little but it shouldn't really matter. The mount for the display camera is probably not quite sturdy enough but the result is still very watchable.
Thanks William! The display camera mount is fixed on the central console. It's a 3-suction cup mount. Unfortunately, I can only stick 2 out of 3 properly, there isn't enough room on the central console to stick all 3. I can't activate stabilization otherwise we have issues with sharp left/right turns. I can try and stick the camera to the roof instead of central console, we may have better stability. I'll try that on the next video. I will tilt the roof camera a little bit so we can se further out. Thanks again!
While the high mounted camera gives a good view, it makes it appear that the car stops too far from the white stop lines.
Thanks for the comment Wade. To be fair in a lot of cases, the car does stop too far from the line. I reviewed the video and when the car is on the line, the view seems to be correct. I'll be happy to provide audio comment when I feel that the car is too far from the line so viewers have reassurance that it's not just the camera angle. Would that help?
@@FrenchieFSD Yes, that would be great. When talking to Sandy Munro the other day, Elon stated that the first priority of FSD was not to get in an accident, which I agree is of utmost importance. I realize that we are still at the BETA stage, but it looks like your car would have hit the black car that was turning in front of it, forcing you to take over.
2:45 is fine for me, I think it's trying to keep a fair bit of distance to that ongoing car.
it's harder for them to sort out what the cam shot is vs. a real disengagement. Driving on the wrong side of the road is a bad thing.
Can we get another Crotch video and can you have FSD drive in Lincoln Park?
I tried this afternoon and traffic was very bad. I had to disengage a lot. I’ll have to do this early morning/late at night.
7:01 "Autopilot paused. Waiting for our turn" while it barrels along at 17mph? That's a serious issue they need to fix quickly. Lucky there were no other cars around.
Thanks Wayne. I agree it would be good to have a quick fix for these instances. If you get a chance, take a look at this video from Barefoot Tesla. He does an analysis of it: ruclips.net/video/WbXPy44vPNQ/видео.html
4:24 That is much better -- stopping much closer to where it should (though I would still prefer a few inches further forward). Maybe it was using the other car as a guide.
7:01 must have been the poor pedestrian crossing marking that caused the mistake. Maybe fsd is using the crossing as a guide of where to stop
Check this analysis done by Barefoot Tesla : ruclips.net/video/WbXPy44vPNQ/видео.html
@@FrenchieFSD nice analysis thanks!
@Frenchie, maybe track disengagements, interventions, etc for each drive then post a graph or chart at the end of each video. Great way to see progress on your test city loops.
I know accelerometer is reading backwards, but I like it way better. Crazy how brain works!
Really love the whole presentation of this drive. I wouldn’t change anything. I also never knew that the blue icon turned before!!
Thank you! 😃
6:01 again because it stops too far back, it makes it very unclear about whether it is even ready at the intersection to take a turn.
when is the next beta update expected
Stopping wayyyyyyyyy too far back at stop signs
3:54 Seems like stopping too far back from sign/line/intersection is happening a lot.
2:40 I do not think it was your turn. You (the Tesla FSD) gave up its turn because it stayed too far back from that stop sign/stop line, so it is not clearly "at the intersection waiting for its turn". There is no official rule about this, just human nature and how we intuitively interpret other driver's intentions. Certainly if the Tesla had stopped another full car length further back, that would be too far -- not be close enough to be considered "at the intersection" and when it moved forward again it would need to stop again at the stop sign. Your position there was barely close enough to be considered "stopped at the intersection"... and really I would consider it too far back. If I was the other driver, I would assume you were not taking your turn because you were so far back.
Thanks Scott. I just watched that part again and I (FSD) didn't have the blinker on so that could have confused the other driver as well. Your explanation about being far from he stop line is correct too. So if we had the "no blinker" and "too far from the stop line" I now understand why the other car just proceeded. Great post drive analysis. It's hard for me to notice all that while driving but I like reviewing this afterwards so next time I keep an eye for these things (stop line, blinkers etc...). Thanks agin!
missing a stop sign? wtf?
I think it got confused by the second stop sign further down and decided to only stop at that one. To be fair, it's kind of weird, why is the second sign even there and in that place?
@@PetrMelechin agree that is a weird scenario - but FSD has to solve for that scenario
What is chi town?
It’s nickname for Chicago. Chi-Town.
Great setup! Just need to tilt the camera up a hair so that maybe the bottom of the camera view is where the hood begins. I realize that there is some value of seeing the road left and right of the fenders to see how close we get to the curb.
You’re stopping so far back from stop signs most of the time you are confusing your fellow drivers. I live in Chicago and I always pull up the the stop line or stop sign. Also why is your car stopping so far behind other cars that are stopped. When you stop too far back you can’t see cross traffic easily especially on streets clogged with parked cars.
Thanks for the feedback. As a reminder, I’m not doing that, the car with FSD is. You are right though. That feedback was shared with Tesla. Hopefully it will be fixed in the future.
@@FrenchieFSD Can this be altered by changing the following interval? Of course two separate interval settings would be better. One for driving and one for stopping. It was fun watching a Chicago streets video. I know most of the places you drove.
There are no settings for FSD in the car. I would assume this can be tweak/adjusted by Tesla team for future builds. They acknowledged our feedback around distance to stop sign so hope they can make those adjustments in the future update.
@@jeffbransky7966 Thanks for the idea. I'll try reducing the following distance and see if that makes a difference. Glad you enjoy the videos. We'll have more coming!
@@FrenchieFSD do not let the car do stupid/bad things
4:43
Your confidence in FSD has grown exponentially in the past you would have disengaged on a few of those turns. Overall, I love how the car self corrects.
Totally agree. I still think we could improve a lot of these behaviors (car going on opposite lane, too slow in turns etc...) but I try as much as possible to let the car do its thing before disengaging now. With the snow in Chicago, I'm less worried about curbs at the moment. That might come back once the snow melts :)
@@FrenchieFSD This is 100% the opposite of what we should be doing.
Anthony - This is not how this works