Zpacks counts all volume of the inside and outside pockets and HMG has 55 liters internal and they do not count the outside pouches, water bottle holders, hipbelt pockets etc.
Yes, and the pockets on HMG 3400 packs amount to about 9.6L additional. They also consider the volume after rolling the top down a certain amount; I'm not sure how many times but some rough math on the pack dimensions suggests they roll it down 3-5 times. Most people need probably not roll it down more than 3 times, and if it's dry weather 1 or 2 will be fine. Indeed, the length of the roll top compression straps allow for it to be fully unrolled and still secured down, so they anticipate people "overstuffing" these packs and getting an extra couple liters. Considering all that, the 55L packs are really more like 65L packs.
Zpacks measures the size of their bags with the volume of the main compartment plus the side and mesh pockets so the arc blast is about 40L for the main compartment. If I remember correctly, with HMG a 55L backpack is a 55L main compartment.
I'm sticking with my exos because I bought it. My challenge is to wear it out before I wear out. I have zero complaints - I have a 48 for 3 season, and a 58 for winter (or hammocking) . . that breezy frame is worth a few ounces to me.
I've been thinking about getting an osprey instead. I'm worried about how comfortable the pack is with more weight. I read that the hyperlite can't really take more than 25 lbs unless you want to be uncomfortable. So I was thinking of osprey as an alternative
I have a couple Osprey packes and they works great. The only reason I changed to a Zpacks Blast is I really want to cut wait and I mean really cut weight. I am in my 60s and I have a couple of injuries. Dan makes great videos but the truth is he is pretty young and likes to being a lot of crap with him, chairs for example and all of his camera gear. I did the same thing when I was his age. I am surprised he does not just stay with a Osprey. Osprey make great gear but for me a it's a little heavy. My kids love their Osprey.
@@mtadams2009 I've since bought a LiteAF 35L pack made with the new Ultra 200 material. Weighs 17 oz. I think. Love it! I'm keeping my exos 58 for winter hauls though. I'm in my 60's also, and weight makes a big difference as far as endurance for sure.
@@rogerc7972 I have only recently heard of LiteAF packs, all good. Lightning the load certainly helps for sure. There is also a lot of options to help with this task. I had a Granite Gear 35 L which was a very good low cost option. I paid about 135.00. I use my heavier packs for backcountry skiing still. Take care
I chose the Hyperlight Junction-mesh back pocket and solid side pockets. I love it! Switched from an Osprey so this was a huge switch for me! Hyperlight main body is 55L and the pockets add additional space. Zpack total main body and pockets make 55L.
I love my Windrider 3400. I wanted a white pack, and I just love it. I do not spend a lot-need my pack to be changable. It's light if I just am doing a quick trip-where I live it's a hiker's dream-we can go for short trips to keep stress at bay. This pack will hold my stuff if I have to carry more, or go minimal if I need that. And it's dry. It does not sweat on my back at all.
I have the Blast and it works great. It's not meant to be used for carrying a bunch of camera gear and assorted none essentials. I carry only what I need which is their Duplex tent, a light WM sleeping bag, Ul pad etc. My pack is light and love it. I go backpacking to hike and I never think about my gear because its dialed in for me. I would never carry a 30 lb. pack again unless I am backcountry skiing. I am surprised you just did not stay with a Osprey or similar pack. They carry heavy loads great and cost much less than any of these high end packs. Enjoy
The 3400 weighs 2.18 pounds in black. I wouldn’t choose it over say the Osprey Exos 58, which weighs 2.7 pounds, or the Exos 48 which weighs 2.5 pounds. Both Exos packs will carry more comfortably, carrier heavier loads, have more features, and have fantastic ventilation. The slight decrease in weight with the 3400 isn’t worth losing those benefits, in my opinion. On the other hand, the Arc Haul at 1.4 pounds weighs considerably less than all of those packs, so the weight savings is potentially worth the trade-offs. I carried a SW 3400 on one trip and sold it as soon as I got back. The back sweat was unbearable even in 55-60 degree weather.
The Exos is nylon and will absorb water. I personally have an 10lb big four with a 4.3lb backpack, so I generally agree with you. But, I think the negative of nylon backpacks should be mentioned, especially since Dan specifically mentions that as a reason for his purchase. I'm looking forward to more thin poly-sil in the future. I feel like nylon will be phased out now that polyester can be made as thin and light as nylon.
@@girliejourney8754 - true, but water absorbing hasn’t been an issue for me. I’ve yet to backpack in anything beyond a light drizzle, and I can always use a pack cover.
Note for people considering this pack: It also comes with a mesh pouch(wind rider model) as well as the “junction” model, which has mesh and then two more durable pouches on the side. Although that only goes up the 3400 size, instead of 4400. Also I THINK the reason why the HMG pack is bigger is because it’s designed to be rolled down more.
If you are considering selling your old pack, or any old gear, maybe consider auctioning it off with proceeds going to charity. I think it would be a great way for your followers to own some of the equipment they have watched you use over the last couple years while also being able to give back to worthwhile causes. Just a thought.
HMG3400 is 65L with the outside pockets, the bucket alone is 55L and can hold a boat load of gear, the pack is comfortable and you can open hip belt pockets easily with one hand, you can also reach water bottles on side pockets without taking the pack off, I love mine, cheers
I have a Zpacks Arc Blast and a Hyperlite Mountain Gear Southwest 4400. The Zpacks is much more comfortable on my shoulders and has adjustability the HMG doesn’t have. The HMG is hard on the shoulders over 30 lbs and when loaded with heavy items towards the top of the bag. That said, I find myself having to readjust the load lifters on my Arc Haul a couple times a day while hiking as they creep down. The HMG would be wonderful if it had load lifters. The HMG Southwest has mesh outside pockets that I never have an issue with and ultimately prefer over solid pockets. Mesh allows me to air out wet items on trail and being able to see what is in the pocket easily. I never had any trouble with either packs hip pouches. Trekking pole attachments for either pack is a simple clasp and shock cord on the shoulder straps. I use my packs for section hiking the Appalachian Trail without additional camera gear, only food and sleeping gear. Both of these packs need less than 30 pounds to be comfortable in my opinion and experience. If I had to buy a new UL pack today, I would take a close look at Lite AF or swdbackpacks. Both have load lifters
I have a Zpack Arc Haul and I ended up losing the carbon fiber Frame ripped out the bottom of my backpack also there’s no space inside for what I need for my AT through hike so I switched to a 3400 junction hyper light loving it
Generally the pour non-compressible balls into the pack until it is completely full. The result is then poured into a “measuring” container and a piston is used to press down on the balls in order to eliminate the voids and then measured. This gives you the cubic inches or liters of the pack.
I love my zpacks arc blast... never had issues so far (knock in wood) Just to clarify .. Zpacks isn’t 55L in the main body thats why its smaller. Its 42L Off of zpacks website..”Volume” is 55L (main body 42L, 2.5l each side pocket, 8L mess center pocket.) The Hyperlight 3400 “VOLUME” Volume: 65L+\-.5L Internal: 3400 cu. in. (55L) External: 600 cu. in. (9.8L) Center Pocket: 300 cu. in. Side Pockets: 150 cu. in. Talk about a huge upgrade more like it LOL!! To me the Waymark Thru 40 going frameless would have been a better choice... but like you said you have a ton of camera gear. Over all great video! Thanks Dan
The HMG 3400 was the first pack I tried and I liked everything about it other than the shoulder straps which were a deal breaker. It felt like they were sewn too closely together and they ended up putting an obnoxious amount of pressure on my trap muscles. Insanely uncomfortable. Glad you like it, though.
Funny I just got the 4400 and was wondering the same after end of day , I was like damn that’s some pain on the trapezius, maybe it just doesn’t fit some...? Little concerned lol
I purchased an Arc Haul last year and I agree with what you said about your Arc Blast - it digs into my shoulders and it’s just not that comfortable. I’ve considered looking at HMG and your video has convinced me to do so.
I love your videos. thank you. i bought a zpacks scout because of my smaller frame, for my pct thru hike... had problems with the stays snapping. but mostly with the customer service. either you get someone who is awesome or horrible. 1 awesome rep to 3 horrible reps. pct is on the west coast with thousands of people on the trail. zpacks on the east coast (florida) which creates a huge problem when trying to reach someone while on the trail with limited reception. i hiked more than 600 miles with a bad hip belt.. took that many miles just to reach zpacks. the 2-day paid for expedited delivery was a joke. I hiked another 85 miles with the bad hip belt. had to wait 8 days at a hotel and 7 more days off trail to get the items i needed. the time and spent trying to solve my problems... well, i could have bought another backpack for all the money i spent. so, if you have a good recommendation for an ultra light backpack for small frames... I would love it. most women ultra light backpacks are over 3 lbs... definitely not ultra light!
Hi Connie, we are eleven months on from when you commented on your Z Packs experiences, but, if you still hadn't found a u l pack that meets your needs you might take a look at Atom Packs various offerings. They are big on comfort, durability, and versatility while still being very light. Good luck and stay safe out there.
From my research the ZPacks is 55 total liters they are adding the internal space and all the pockets together to come up with that number. The hyperlite is 55 Liters just in the internal space. I think on the website it says something like the pockets add another 10 liters
Perfect timing on this video. I checked out that pack and considering it for a replacement for my Osprey Atmos 65. Take Care and Keep Exploring The Outdoors.
I am considering replacing my Atmos 65 as well. I loved the Atmos but I have to lighten up. I am choosing between Zpacks, Hyperlight Mountain southwest 3400, and Gossamer Mariposa. What did you decide?
@@chrisconnell76 Hello Chris, I have not bought one yet. I have looked at each of the ones you are considering. Also, looking at the Outdoor Vitals Shadow, Hills Top, Granite Gear, and the LiteAF. All these packs are nice. Hard to decide. Thanks for reaching out to me.
Yeah, I hear you Dan. I got a Z-Pack "62-liter" Arc Haul last year and have buyer's remorse. 1) There is no way it carries 62 liters. That is a problem for me as I, too, enjoy winter camping. There is not enough room in it for a winter hike. 2) Z-Packs says that you can carry a Bear Vault with it. What Packs does not tell is that the arcing carbon rods cannot work with a Bear Vault. That is a problem on the AT in New England because bears have figured out how to take bags down, even with a PCT hang. And those bears are ripping through any kind of bag. If you like to eat, and the bear box is full, you will want to carry a bear cannister. 3) About those rods - they do not stay in place well. They collapse into an S-shape, thus no arc, which was one of the biggest draws for me to buy it. 4) Ditto on the squeaking. 5) The adjustment straps slip every 10 miles or so. They are just too light and too narrow to hold position. True, I carry up to the weight limit, but still... The worst strap of all is the top strap. I opted for the upgraded v-strap, and it slips instantly with just a two-pound bag strapped by it. It is really only suitable to carry a parka. I have noticed that all of the RUclipsrs that persuaded me to buy a Z-Packs pack no longer use Z-Packs packs. It reminds me of all the same folks telling us the Sawyer Mini was the cat's pajamas, but now trash it on reviews. Hmmmmm... I am not sure how much longer I will put up with the limitations of my Arc Haul. I have already decided to get a Hyperlite Southwest 4400, and I will buy via REI because of the member return policy, just in case. I can tolerate a sweaty back. My wife is not thrilled I am getting another pack so soon, because we are not rich, but I have her okay. Great wife.
Chris Eidam why not get a granite gear crown 60. They used to be the arc haul of the hiking community as in everybody used to use them. they are bomber and last decades unlike these cottage packs. (Why do people buy new packs every year?). I still have an alpine vapor the alpine version of the vapor which was the original crown 60. 15 years and still like new. As for durability no pack compares to a granite gear. They are light enough. 31 ounces.
I also got the Arc Haul, and I used it on the John Muir trail, carrying a BeatVault, and this backpack was one of my most favorite pieces of gear. I was super happy with it. A generally good idea is to upgrade the backpack last, after you already have a lighter tent, sleeping bag/quilt, etc. Because if you buy an UL pack, and have non UL gear, and baseweight above 25-30lbs + food on top... those packs won't carry comfortably. So I made sure I upgraded most of my gear to be light, and I was super happy with the purchase.
@@MatanuskaHIGH Most of the people replacing packs every year are putting 3k+ miles thruhiking on them where the average backpacker probably only puts 100-300 miles a year on their packs. It also makes a huge difference using the pack every day for 4-6 months thruhiking instead of every weekend or so.
TheDexxra they aren’t using granite gear that’s for sure. The have lifetime warranty and are bomb proof. They even did a dirt road test against other packs.
@@edwardlucas5498 I use the gear pods so it is never really an issue. But if you do misplace a hard to see item in non-optimal lighting conditions then the white bag is easier because you can light the bag up from the outside. The black, thicker dyneema does not allow for that.
One thing I can tell you HMG You can call them , zpacks you have to email them. If you have problems while hiking I would rather call them then email, yes I just bought HMG 3400 junction love it , I hope this help ya make decisions cya
Zpacks customer service is subpar.. They sent me a brand new duplex with pinholes in the roof then sent a roll if dyneema tape as the fix. Pretty bad, i wont be buying anything from them again
It would be helpful to show how hiking poles, ice axe, crampons can be attached outside on these minimalist packs. I have yet to see any reviews out there for HMG showing that
In the past, bags were determined as how many liters they could carry inside the main body, however, now, especially the cottage companies, they count all the side pockets, water bottles pockets, mesh back pocket into their " total liter capacity " However due to many people wanting to know the breakdowns, now most pack companies will give you the general break down in the specs section.. for example the gossamer gear mariposa is a 60liter pack, however, only 36L is available in the main compartment.. the rest of that total is compromised by all the side pockets, back mesh etc..if you were to place your new hyperlite 55L pack next to the mariposa, it would too look bigger and again that's because hyperlite packs have their main volume capacity in the big main body of the pack..but you're definitely right. It can be confusing looking at packs ànd what they advertise as the total liters..
Yep: that camera gear! Neat pack & worth the footage. I have been seeing alot of those Hyperlite Packs lately. Alot of it is the shape of the bag: how it feels & carries.
I’d agree with you assessments on the HMG pack as I got the 70l version this summer for a mountain trek in Africa later this winter. Being a photographer, my recent experience with backpacks is with camera specific packs- haven’t found a comfortable one of those yet for long distance hiking. Probably because most of them are trying to be one size fits all and after my Southwest pack it’s clear that is not a good idea. True- the Southwest is sweaty on the back but I sweat a lot anyway so I figure that’s just the way it is. Two, I can’t reach water bottles with pack on either and use attachments to cary smart water bottles on the shoulder straps- I’m a thirsty guy and need to have fluid handy for on the go rehydration. Not a hose and bladder fan. Many cottage companies make bottle holders for the shoulder straps. Plus I like moving some weight from the pack to the front and find it rides well that way ( I still cary extra water bottles in a side pocket when needed). Third, I was skeptical about the mesh pockets many companies use and that is one reason I went with the Southwest. But I knew I would need to dry socks and shorts while on the trail so I have a mesh bag or two I will clip on the back (there’s a loop already on the pack) for that. Naturally, HMG came out with a new version right after I bought mine that has solid pockets on the sides and the front pocket is mesh- I would have bought that one if it was available. Fourth, I have found the pack to be very well engineered and made overall. The hip pockets could be a bit larger in my opinion. The water resistant zippers are hard to use one handed and in steady rain water will get in so plan accordingly. Lastly, with a week plus of food and heavy pro camera gear (lenses and batteries, etc are heavy and take up space- a third of my weight is in camera gear including a light tripod) I’ll have 40 pounds or so even with the rest of my stuff being rather light. So I have found the Z packs shoulder cushions to be nice addition and they match the pack to boot.
Did you check out the Deuter backpacks? I put Deuter packs in the Category of Toyotas longevity, durability and something to pass on to children for all of the camera equipment you carry.
Yeah, but they are so heavy compared to these two brands. No gear upgrade made as much of a difference to my trail experience as moving to a UL pack did.
the measurement of the volume by the length of the frame support and the diameter of the opening. So they are both 55 l bottom to the top of the stays. All the extra part of the bag beyond that is surplus in size. But as it is not supported by the frame and you wont put anything substantial of weight in that part. You can have usable volume (supported by the frame vs total maximum volume. ) Different manufacturers use different approach.
Water will get in both of them during several days of rain.I have the the arc haul zip and the HL Windrider 3400. I switched to the Hyperlite in Damascus on my 2019 AT thru and I definitely would recommend either the pod system or at least a compactor bag. Both are great bags but certainly not waterproof.
Dan. Nice comparison. Interesting about capacity. I’ve had my Arc Haul 2 years now & about 1,000 miles. JMT, Smokys etc. Unless you are looking to carry more gear ex. Camera gear, switching to Hyperlite may just be a non satisfying lateral move. Thanks for your great content.
I have seen people perfering the Zpacks Arc Haul over the HMG packs for comfort and back hip belt comfort, arc back frame, load balancers, adusting options etc. Trying to figure out what I want to take, I see that the Zpacs Arc Haul is a better comparision than the blast to the HMG. Trying to figure out what i want to go with
I would hang on to the Zpacks until summer. I just went on a four-day snowshoeing trip in northern Michigan. I brought my HMG pack. I sweat all the way through all three layers under the pack and didn't even realize it until I took it off and was suddenly freezing. The rest of me was completely dry, so I was really surprised. I'm not looking forward to this pack in the summer. I use my Arc Blast all summer and was never soaked through with sweat.
1:00 Backpack comparison begins 4:00 Why everyone needs a Z-Seat 6:05 Why there's not really any Ultralight backpackers on RUclips 7:05 Why he really likes the new backpack! 9:25 Rad skillz Now to be serious: From what I understand Pack Volume is measured by filling it with balls (imagine ping pong balls [or table tennis balls if you're a ping pong player]). The volume is then calculated by counting the balls that are very good at filling all the space inside the pack. Some manufacturers only count the main pack volume, others include every single place they can manage to fill. There is no actual standard from what I've seen and heard. I wish there was a system that had two numbers "x/x" where the first number is the main compartment and the second is the extra little pockets.
I had a pair of Keen boots that did that squeak thing. From new after a good 600 700km walking it went away. And I guess a few hundred km after that they started leaking.
I like my Arc Blast. It’s great for up-to week-long trips. At this point since my base weight is just over 10lbs including my current pack and my base gear is pretty small/compact, for my next pack, I’ll probably get a 35L frameless. That’ll be for those overnight or weekend trips where I just don’t need the volume that my Arc Blast affords. The only reason I’d get a 60L+ pack, which is what that Hyperlight Mtn pack is, is for when I’d need to carry a 40+ lbs load. in that case, I would get a more traditional pack with a substantial support system like an Osprey. Extra large “ultralight” backpacks are a collective oxymoron to me. You’ll be extremely uncomfortable if you took advantage of all that space that pack offers. (speaking from an almost-ultralight perspective)
excellent review and comparison. the "consumer reports" type review that I love to see (and would love to see in lots of other videos). detailed, informative, useful. keep up the great work!
Na I just enjoy you're views and way you look at stuff! Plus your fun as hell mate! Lol ultra light is kool! It really depends on you're needs, if it medical condition, spine, hip, shoulder injuries, or deeper muscle issues meaning extra lumbar support or padding in areas.. a different look on stuff!! The wants, needs, goals talk.. plus that's a super sweet training board! Keep up the kool work!
Haha! My damn Patagonia day pack squeaks like that on the left. Goddammit! I was up in Lake Nambe area near Santa Fe and thought I was losing my mind hearing that squeak. Good vid.
I do not know about Hyperlite, but zPacks figures their side pockets and mesh pocket into the liter capacity. Maybe HL just counts the main compartment.
I've always found back ventilation on packs to be overrated. I embrace the sweat, and find it more comfortable to have the load as close to my body as possible.
@@BacktotheOutdoors I'm just not a fan of Osprey's designs in general- especially with their more "ultralight" packs. The lack of hip belt pockets is a deal-breaker for me.
rweb82 - I thought I would miss the hip belt pockets as well, but now it doesn’t bother me. I sold my HMG because the excessive back sweating it caused. I have a LiteAF fanny pack I wear and it’s easier to use than most hip belt pockets. I can also continue to wear it once I take the pack off, if needed. When I tested my Exos 58 with sandbags at REI, it carried loads more comfortably than packs twice its weight.
@@BacktotheOutdoors No doubt that Osprey makes good packs. And if back ventilation is a big deal to you, there probably isn't a better option than Osprey. I just prefer a more utilitarian design. My pack is the ULA Ohm 2.0. I love everything about it- the large hip belt pockets, the very large side pockets, and the large stretchy mesh pocket. It has everything I need, and nothing I don't. It is also a lot more durable than DCF packs. I don't usually carry it to capacity, but have carried 35lbs in it a few times, and found it was still comfortable.
Great video, so if I am correct zpacks uses all pockets and mesh pocket with the internal volume for a combined 55L. So it seems obvious that with the hyperlite it’s all internal volume is 55L. So I am using the zpacks nero with added hip belt pockets, love my pack but I also struggle with the zippers, it’s a 2 handed operating to get them open. Wish hyperlite came out with something as small as the nero cause I would probably buy it to try it out, instead I’ll probably do the waymark or liteAF. But for now, I’m continually rocking the zpacks and I think you’re on the money about the hyperlite, they make a great product and it seems to be still one of the best companies out there. Keep the videos coming, I love watching the new gear reviews.
What does that have to do with backpacking? Everything! It is basically a sport version of the disc version I own that is made to improve balance and strengthen your ankles. Enjoy it!
Should be a good switch good luck with the new pack. I've seen some companies go by the main compartment and others count all the pockets in the total volume.
ZPacks arc haul fit weird on my shoulders. I went with LiteAF curve 40. Much more comfortable IMO, but it’s more tuned in for ~10lb baseweight so wouldn’t be good in your situation with the camera gear. The hyperlite packs do look sweet though, and their logo is awesome.
Zpacks website specs state that the 55l includes the water bottle pockets and the mesh pocket. Main body is only 42 liters. HMG website states main body is 55l and back pocket is an additional 9.8l. Here is a vid from REI showing how to measure per the international standard, which only measure fully enclosable pockets, so pockets like the side and back pockets that stay open are not measured, so those become "extra" liters: ruclips.net/video/dQwJn_cEAtU/видео.html
I was looking very seriously at the arc haul just around Christmas. When zpacks was having their supposed deals. But when I started to research the pack and got some opinions from other users. I did not get very favorable reviews. Some said that there was even a quality control issue with some packs. Dan one question for you. How comfortable is the hyperlight at weight(say thirtyish pounds)? It looks like you would need to give special attention when packing your gear into the main compartment.
I have both and for me, the ZP transfers weight better. I much prefer ZP as I had hip and back pain with same at in HMG. HMG does hold more but not comfortably. HMG also feels tougher (heavier dynema)
Dan, have you ever checked out the Katabatic Onni Liteskin? Looks very similar to what you are looking for and great hip-bet and frame. Carries quite a bit of gear at 50L with frame and 35 lb rating.
Thank you I am looking between both of these packs and I was leaning more on the ZPack. Did you use the adjustments recommended by ZPack to adjust the weight to your body type? I found a video on how to adjust the bag to your shoulders and waist. Just curious. -- Ivan
Nice video with explanation Dan. I'm thinking about shifting the same way towards HMG this year, I have the Zpacks Arc Haul now, been using it for the last 6-7 years, but with camera gear and a tripod, I agree, the weight in the pack once you hit about 25 pounds starts to get uncomfortable. And yes, the squeaking is a bit of nuisance.
What I see in the difference in liters is that the ZPacks is 55L until you roll it down. From the side by side you’ve shown it looks like HMG is 55L when rolled down.
Love my LiteAF 35L Curve. Most comfortable pack I've ever carried. Twenty pound max is plenty for a 4-5 day trip depending upon water availability. Awesome pack.
Backpackin Grannie, yes and also Chris at LiteAF is so amazing he may put load lifters on if someone requests it. Believe he did that with the pack he made for Frozen. Without even speaking to ultralight, I can’t even fathom with today’s technology carrying over 20 pounds unless you are carrying also sorts of extra specialty gear. Even with four days of food and a liter of water in Michigan winter I can no longer crack 20. Overnighters/weekend trips in the dead of winter and I’m not above 11 pounds. One other thing about LiteAF is their shoulder straps. They are the best in the market and carry heavier loads much more comfortable than any other pack I’ve tried.
Fair points, but I went with the Crown x60 (drop.com) and stripped it down (lose brain, extra straps, etc) and came in at ~1009 grams or 36oz. It cost me $100, lists for $120. Carried it 50 miles through Yosemite this year loaded at 33lbs to start (19lb base with bear can), no problem. At the weight you are talking about, I'd save some money and go with the Crown for the price.
My backpack is squeaking and it is really annoying! I'm using my son's Gregory. My daughter has an Osprey and it squeaks as well! I'm still looking for one... :)
I have packs that are the same 'liter size' and are different inside and out. I don't know how they measure these things but something is a little sketchy about their methods for sure.
I have the nero, it a great pack for doing long miles on hard trail because it weighs 10oz. Once you get to the weight of the blast and haul I dont know that the weight vs the corners that were cut are really worth it.
I have a Blast, Duplex and 20 degree quilt. I think if I went with a Nero I would have to dial down again. The Nero has no hip belt that for me at my age is a deal breaker with my present set up. I have no idea how people do long water Paul’s with a Nero. I may look into one but it will be for very specialized trips. I don’t think one pack or set up works for every situation. I have multiple packs, tents etc. Who knows maybe I will go down the super UL pack some day.
I recently called Osprey and was told volume is measured: "as a total of all zippered compartments." So, the front mesh and water bottle compartments do not count. So, when comparing space in Ospreys to cottage companies, I think adding at least 10 liters to stated volume would be appropriate (My Kyte 46, for example, is probably more like 56+ liters). Many cottage companies break down the volume of the individual compartments and/or list total usable space. Anyhoo... It would be great for an industry standard in this department... I think it would help cottage companies as it would take out a piece of the mystery of sizing a pack for yourself that you cannot try on.
Some brands count all pockets to the volume. Newer small companies, that produce UL gear are guilty of this, and companies who want to reach a larger clientele are adopting the traditional method of calling a packs volume the main compartments volume.
Zpacks counts all volume of the inside and outside pockets and HMG has 55 liters internal and they do not count the outside pouches, water bottle holders, hipbelt pockets etc.
Yes, and the pockets on HMG 3400 packs amount to about 9.6L additional. They also consider the volume after rolling the top down a certain amount; I'm not sure how many times but some rough math on the pack dimensions suggests they roll it down 3-5 times. Most people need probably not roll it down more than 3 times, and if it's dry weather 1 or 2 will be fine. Indeed, the length of the roll top compression straps allow for it to be fully unrolled and still secured down, so they anticipate people "overstuffing" these packs and getting an extra couple liters. Considering all that, the 55L packs are really more like 65L packs.
Thanks for a GREAT review! You hit every important point for a backpack.
Zpacks measures the size of their bags with the volume of the main compartment plus the side and mesh pockets so the arc blast is about 40L for the main compartment. If I remember correctly, with HMG a 55L backpack is a 55L main compartment.
I'm sticking with my exos because I bought it. My challenge is to wear it out before I wear out. I have zero complaints - I have a 48 for 3 season, and a 58 for winter (or hammocking) . . that breezy frame is worth a few ounces to me.
I've been thinking about getting an osprey instead. I'm worried about how comfortable the pack is with more weight. I read that the hyperlite can't really take more than 25 lbs unless you want to be uncomfortable. So I was thinking of osprey as an alternative
I have a couple Osprey packes and they works great. The only reason I changed to a Zpacks Blast is I really want to cut wait and I mean really cut weight. I am in my 60s and I have a couple of injuries. Dan makes great videos but the truth is he is pretty young and likes to being a lot of crap with him, chairs for example and all of his camera gear. I did the same thing when I was his age. I am surprised he does not just stay with a Osprey. Osprey make great gear but for me a it's a little heavy. My kids love their Osprey.
@@mtadams2009 I've since bought a LiteAF 35L pack made with the new Ultra 200 material. Weighs 17 oz. I think. Love it! I'm keeping my exos 58 for winter hauls though. I'm in my 60's also, and weight makes a big difference as far as endurance for sure.
@@rogerc7972 I have only recently heard of LiteAF packs, all good. Lightning the load certainly helps for sure. There is also a lot of options to help with this task. I had a Granite Gear 35 L which was a very good low cost option. I paid about 135.00. I use my heavier packs for backcountry skiing still. Take care
I chose the Hyperlight Junction-mesh back pocket and solid side pockets. I love it! Switched from an Osprey so this was a huge switch for me!
Hyperlight main body is 55L and the pockets add additional space. Zpack total main body and pockets make 55L.
I love my Windrider 3400. I wanted a white pack, and I just love it. I do not spend a lot-need my pack to be changable. It's light if I just am doing a quick trip-where I live it's a hiker's dream-we can go for short trips to keep stress at bay. This pack will hold my stuff if I have to carry more, or go minimal if I need that. And it's dry. It does not sweat on my back at all.
I have the Blast and it works great. It's not meant to be used for carrying a bunch of camera gear and assorted none essentials. I carry only what I need which is their Duplex tent, a light WM sleeping bag, Ul pad etc. My pack is light and love it. I go backpacking to hike and I never think about my gear because its dialed in for me. I would never carry a 30 lb. pack again unless I am backcountry skiing. I am surprised you just did not stay with a Osprey or similar pack. They carry heavy loads great and cost much less than any of these high end packs. Enjoy
The 3400 weighs 2.18 pounds in black. I wouldn’t choose it over say the Osprey Exos 58, which weighs 2.7 pounds, or the Exos 48 which weighs 2.5 pounds. Both Exos packs will carry more comfortably, carrier heavier loads, have more features, and have fantastic ventilation. The slight decrease in weight with the 3400 isn’t worth losing those benefits, in my opinion.
On the other hand, the Arc Haul at 1.4 pounds weighs considerably less than all of those packs, so the weight savings is potentially worth the trade-offs. I carried a SW 3400 on one trip and sold it as soon as I got back. The back sweat was unbearable even in 55-60 degree weather.
The Exos is nylon and will absorb water. I personally have an 10lb big four with a 4.3lb backpack, so I generally agree with you. But, I think the negative of nylon backpacks should be mentioned, especially since Dan specifically mentions that as a reason for his purchase. I'm looking forward to more thin poly-sil in the future. I feel like nylon will be phased out now that polyester can be made as thin and light as nylon.
@@girliejourney8754 - true, but water absorbing hasn’t been an issue for me. I’ve yet to backpack in anything beyond a light drizzle, and I can always use a pack cover.
Note for people considering this pack:
It also comes with a mesh pouch(wind rider model) as well as the “junction” model, which has mesh and then two more durable pouches on the side. Although that only goes up the 3400 size, instead of 4400.
Also I THINK the reason why the HMG pack is bigger is because it’s designed to be rolled down more.
This is all true
If you are considering selling your old pack, or any old gear, maybe consider auctioning it off with proceeds going to charity. I think it would be a great way for your followers to own some of the equipment they have watched you use over the last couple years while also being able to give back to worthwhile causes. Just a thought.
"For you timestamp warriors," made me laugh out loud. Thanks Dan.
ZPacks counts the storage pockets in the overall capacity...so 55 liters includes the outside pockets and mesh back. Not all manufacturers do that.
Yep, on Zpacks website, they mention that the interior of the pack is 42L
HMG3400 is 65L with the outside pockets, the bucket alone is 55L and can hold a boat load of gear, the pack is comfortable and you can open hip belt pockets easily with one hand, you can also reach water bottles on side pockets without taking the pack off, I love mine, cheers
I have a Zpacks Arc Blast and a Hyperlite Mountain Gear Southwest 4400.
The Zpacks is much more comfortable on my shoulders and has adjustability the HMG doesn’t have. The HMG is hard on the shoulders over 30 lbs and when loaded with heavy items towards the top of the bag. That said, I find myself having to readjust the load lifters on my Arc Haul a couple times a day while hiking as they creep down. The HMG would be wonderful if it had load lifters.
The HMG Southwest has mesh outside pockets that I never have an issue with and ultimately prefer over solid pockets. Mesh allows me to air out wet items on trail and being able to see what is in the pocket easily.
I never had any trouble with either packs hip pouches.
Trekking pole attachments for either pack is a simple clasp and shock cord on the shoulder straps.
I use my packs for section hiking the Appalachian Trail without additional camera gear, only food and sleeping gear. Both of these packs need less than 30 pounds to be comfortable in my opinion and experience.
If I had to buy a new UL pack today, I would take a close look at Lite AF or swdbackpacks. Both have load lifters
I have a Zpack Arc Haul and I ended up losing the carbon fiber Frame ripped out the bottom of my backpack also there’s no space inside for what I need for my AT through hike so I switched to a 3400 junction hyper light loving it
The beginning was priceless. I knew it would be a good video. ......just ordered the SW 4400
Generally the pour non-compressible balls into the pack until it is completely full. The result is then poured into a “measuring” container and a piston is used to press down on the balls in order to eliminate the voids and then measured. This gives you the cubic inches or liters of the pack.
I love my zpacks arc blast... never had issues so far (knock in wood) Just to clarify ..
Zpacks isn’t 55L in the main body thats why its smaller. Its 42L
Off of zpacks website..”Volume” is 55L (main body 42L, 2.5l each side pocket, 8L mess center pocket.)
The Hyperlight 3400 “VOLUME”
Volume: 65L+\-.5L
Internal: 3400 cu. in. (55L)
External: 600 cu. in. (9.8L)
Center Pocket: 300 cu. in.
Side Pockets: 150 cu. in.
Talk about a huge upgrade more like it LOL!!
To me the Waymark Thru 40 going frameless would have been a better choice... but like you said you have a ton of camera gear.
Over all great video! Thanks Dan
The HMG 3400 was the first pack I tried and I liked everything about it other than the shoulder straps which were a deal breaker. It felt like they were sewn too closely together and they ended up putting an obnoxious amount of pressure on my trap muscles. Insanely uncomfortable. Glad you like it, though.
Funny I just got the 4400 and was wondering the same after end of day , I was like damn that’s some pain on the trapezius, maybe it just doesn’t fit some...? Little concerned lol
I purchased an Arc Haul last year and I agree with what you said about your Arc Blast - it digs into my shoulders and it’s just not that comfortable. I’ve considered looking at HMG and your video has convinced me to do so.
I love your videos. thank you. i bought a zpacks scout because of my smaller frame, for my pct thru hike... had problems with the stays snapping. but mostly with the customer service. either you get someone who is awesome or horrible. 1 awesome rep to 3 horrible reps. pct is on the west coast with thousands of people on the trail. zpacks on the east coast (florida) which creates a huge problem when trying to reach someone while on the trail with limited reception. i hiked more than 600 miles with a bad hip belt.. took that many miles just to reach zpacks. the 2-day paid for expedited delivery was a joke. I hiked another 85 miles with the bad hip belt. had to wait 8 days at a hotel and 7 more days off trail to get the items i needed. the time and spent trying to solve my problems... well, i could have bought another backpack for all the money i spent. so, if you have a good recommendation for an ultra light backpack for small frames... I would love it. most women ultra light backpacks are over 3 lbs... definitely not ultra light!
Hi Connie, we are eleven months on from when you commented on your Z Packs experiences, but, if you still hadn't found a u l pack that meets your needs you might take a look at Atom Packs various offerings. They are big on comfort, durability, and versatility while still being very light. Good luck and stay safe out there.
I actually had and HMG pack and switched to an arc blast it's all personal preference. Enjoy the pack :)
What do you prefer about the arc blast? I’m in between the two!
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Video starts at 1:04 Had to do it LMAO. It REALLY gets started at 19:25 though🤟🇺🇸
From my research the ZPacks is 55 total liters they are adding the internal space and all the pockets together to come up with that number. The hyperlite is 55 Liters just in the internal space. I think on the website it says something like the pockets add another 10 liters
I agree with you... Zpack is 55 liters for the Total (42L in main body), HMG 55liters only internal space
Perfect timing on this video. I checked out that pack and considering it for a replacement for my Osprey Atmos 65. Take Care and Keep Exploring The Outdoors.
I am considering replacing my Atmos 65 as well. I loved the Atmos but I have to lighten up. I am choosing between Zpacks, Hyperlight Mountain southwest 3400, and Gossamer Mariposa. What did you decide?
@@chrisconnell76 Hello Chris, I have not bought one yet. I have looked at each of the ones you are considering. Also, looking at the Outdoor Vitals Shadow, Hills Top, Granite Gear, and the LiteAF. All these packs are nice. Hard to decide. Thanks for reaching out to me.
I just use the Nokia of backpacks. The Jansport high schooler. I can fit enough bricks of stuff in there to make a ten year salary In a few weeks.
Waiting for my 3400 junction to come in the mail. Very, very excited!!!
I use the osprey antigravity. I carrey's very well. You tighten up the hip belt and it spreads the weight all around and up your back.
I just did the switch from the Arc haul to the Southwest 2400. I loved my Arc Haul but was tired of the problems with the stays.
That’s a huge difference in the 55 liter pack. Really huge!!! I’d say hold onto the Ark Blast.
You was cracking me up on that board.
Someone got a new sponser
Yeah, I hear you Dan.
I got a Z-Pack "62-liter" Arc Haul last year and have buyer's remorse.
1) There is no way it carries 62 liters. That is a problem for me as I, too, enjoy winter camping. There is not enough room in it for a winter hike.
2) Z-Packs says that you can carry a Bear Vault with it. What Packs does not tell is that the arcing carbon rods cannot work with a Bear Vault. That is a problem on the AT in New England because bears have figured out how to take bags down, even with a PCT hang. And those bears are ripping through any kind of bag. If you like to eat, and the bear box is full, you will want to carry a bear cannister.
3) About those rods - they do not stay in place well. They collapse into an S-shape, thus no arc, which was one of the biggest draws for me to buy it.
4) Ditto on the squeaking.
5) The adjustment straps slip every 10 miles or so. They are just too light and too narrow to hold position. True, I carry up to the weight limit, but still...
The worst strap of all is the top strap. I opted for the upgraded v-strap, and it slips instantly with just a two-pound bag strapped by it. It is really only suitable to carry a parka.
I have noticed that all of the RUclipsrs that persuaded me to buy a Z-Packs pack no longer use Z-Packs packs. It reminds me of all the same folks telling us the Sawyer Mini was the cat's pajamas, but now trash it on reviews. Hmmmmm...
I am not sure how much longer I will put up with the limitations of my Arc Haul. I have already decided to get a Hyperlite Southwest 4400, and I will buy via REI because of the member return policy, just in case. I can tolerate a sweaty back.
My wife is not thrilled I am getting another pack so soon, because we are not rich, but I have her okay. Great wife.
Chris Eidam why not get a granite gear crown 60. They used to be the arc haul of the hiking community as in everybody used to use them. they are bomber and last decades unlike these cottage packs. (Why do people buy new packs every year?). I still have an alpine vapor the alpine version of the vapor which was the original crown 60. 15 years and still like new. As for durability no pack compares to a granite gear. They are light enough. 31 ounces.
I also got the Arc Haul, and I used it on the John Muir trail, carrying a BeatVault, and this backpack was one of my most favorite pieces of gear. I was super happy with it.
A generally good idea is to upgrade the backpack last, after you already have a lighter tent, sleeping bag/quilt, etc. Because if you buy an UL pack, and have non UL gear, and baseweight above 25-30lbs + food on top... those packs won't carry comfortably.
So I made sure I upgraded most of my gear to be light, and I was super happy with the purchase.
Chris Eidam thanks for the info!
@@MatanuskaHIGH Most of the people replacing packs every year are putting 3k+ miles thruhiking on them where the average backpacker probably only puts 100-300 miles a year on their packs. It also makes a huge difference using the pack every day for 4-6 months thruhiking instead of every weekend or so.
TheDexxra they aren’t using granite gear that’s for sure. The have lifetime warranty and are bomb proof. They even did a dirt road test against other packs.
I’ve been traveling the world with the black 2400 but my through hiking pack is the white 3400. Both have been holding up extremely well.
Hi do you find any difference between the white and black when looking inside is it easier with the white over the black
@@edwardlucas5498 I use the gear pods so it is never really an issue. But if you do misplace a hard to see item in non-optimal lighting conditions then the white bag is easier because you can light the bag up from the outside. The black, thicker dyneema does not allow for that.
just deciding between the two myself, sublime timing
One thing I can tell you HMG You can call them , zpacks you have to email them. If you have problems while hiking I would rather call them then email, yes I just bought HMG 3400 junction love it , I hope this help ya make decisions cya
Zpacks customer service is subpar.. They sent me a brand new duplex with pinholes in the roof then sent a roll if dyneema tape as the fix. Pretty bad, i wont be buying anything from them again
It would be helpful to show how hiking poles, ice axe, crampons can be attached outside on these minimalist packs. I have yet to see any reviews out there for HMG showing that
Probably minimalist packs are not designed for alpinists.
I ditched my Arc Blast just recently as well. I now have the Superior Wilderness Designs Rugged Long Haul 50.
I am considering the SWD. How do you like it.
@@ryanhopkins2939 I love it so far. Super robust, perfect for long trips and winter.
In the past, bags were determined as how many liters they could carry inside the main body, however, now, especially the cottage companies, they count all the side pockets, water bottles pockets, mesh back pocket into their " total liter capacity "
However due to many people wanting to know the breakdowns, now most pack companies will give you the general break down in the specs section.. for example the gossamer gear mariposa is a 60liter pack, however, only 36L is available in the main compartment.. the rest of that total is compromised by all the side pockets, back mesh etc..if you were to place your new hyperlite 55L pack next to the mariposa, it would too look bigger and again that's because hyperlite packs have their main volume capacity in the big main body of the pack..but you're definitely right. It can be confusing looking at packs ànd what they advertise as the total liters..
I like the video a lot. He said everything that I needed to know about it.
Mrs Becker must be a Saint, is all I’m thinking 😇 Love your videos, as well as the “off hiking topics” 😊 Keep whirling, Dan!
Yep: that camera gear! Neat pack & worth the footage. I have been seeing alot of those Hyperlite Packs lately. Alot of it is the shape of the bag: how it feels & carries.
I need a new pack.... Definitely going frame less but I am not sure which one yet... Thanks for the info!
LiteAF Curve is looking good. Why not check them out?
Tried and true MLD burn!!!! No hip belt....this and HMG junction 3400 good all year any trip!!!
Thanks, still trying to decide between the Zpacks ArcHaul and Hyperlite for my 2021 Thur hike of the AT..
Read about my Arc Haul complaints in my other comment.
I’d agree with you assessments on the HMG pack as I got the 70l version this summer for a mountain trek in Africa later this winter. Being a photographer, my recent experience with backpacks is with camera specific packs- haven’t found a comfortable one of those yet for long distance hiking. Probably because most of them are trying to be one size fits all and after my Southwest pack it’s clear that is not a good idea.
True- the Southwest is sweaty on the back but I sweat a lot anyway so I figure that’s just the way it is. Two, I can’t reach water bottles with pack on either and use attachments to cary smart water bottles on the shoulder straps- I’m a thirsty guy and need to have fluid handy for on the go rehydration. Not a hose and bladder fan. Many cottage companies make bottle holders for the shoulder straps. Plus I like moving some weight from the pack to the front and find it rides well that way ( I still cary extra water bottles in a side pocket when needed). Third, I was skeptical about the mesh pockets many companies use and that is one reason I went with the Southwest. But I knew I would need to dry socks and shorts while on the trail so I have a mesh bag or two I will clip on the back (there’s a loop already on the pack) for that. Naturally, HMG came out with a new version right after I bought mine that has solid pockets on the sides and the front pocket is mesh- I would have bought that one if it was available. Fourth, I have found the pack to be very well engineered and made overall. The hip pockets could be a bit larger in my opinion. The water resistant zippers are hard to use one handed and in steady rain water will get in so plan accordingly. Lastly, with a week plus of food and heavy pro camera gear (lenses and batteries, etc are heavy and take up space- a third of my weight is in camera gear including a light tripod) I’ll have 40 pounds or so even with the rest of my stuff being rather light. So I have found the Z packs shoulder cushions to be nice addition and they match the pack to boot.
Look at Think Tank Photo if you haven't already.
I love my Zpacks 62L for so many reasons. Not tempted to switch!
Did you check out the Deuter backpacks? I put Deuter packs in the Category of Toyotas longevity, durability and something to pass on to children for all of the camera equipment you carry.
Yeah, but they are so heavy compared to these two brands. No gear upgrade made as much of a difference to my trail experience as moving to a UL pack did.
Dan I Love Your Videos And Your Personality Is So Wonderful I Love How You Can Make Jokes And Laugh So Cool God Bless You And Your Camera Man ❤❤
I've always had issues with all my packs getting water bottles out.... Until I got a LiteAF.
the measurement of the volume by the length of the frame support and the diameter of the opening. So they are both 55 l bottom to the top of the stays. All the extra part of the bag beyond that is surplus in size. But as it is not supported by the frame and you wont put anything substantial of weight in that part. You can have usable volume (supported by the frame vs total maximum volume. ) Different manufacturers use different approach.
Water will get in both of them during several days of rain.I have the the arc haul zip and the HL Windrider 3400. I switched to the Hyperlite in Damascus on my 2019 AT thru and I definitely would recommend either the pod system or at least a compactor bag.
Both are great bags but certainly not waterproof.
Dan. Nice comparison. Interesting about capacity. I’ve had my Arc Haul 2 years now & about 1,000 miles. JMT, Smokys etc. Unless you are looking to carry more gear ex. Camera gear, switching to Hyperlite may just be a non satisfying lateral move. Thanks for your great content.
I have seen people perfering the Zpacks Arc Haul over the HMG packs for comfort and back hip belt comfort, arc back frame, load balancers, adusting options etc. Trying to figure out what I want to take, I see that the Zpacs Arc Haul is a better comparision than the blast to the HMG. Trying to figure out what i want to go with
I went with the Arc Haul over the HMG bc like you said so many people have said Haul is more comfortable.
I've always put a ton of stuff in the back mesh pouch...never a problem for me.
I would hang on to the Zpacks until summer. I just went on a four-day snowshoeing trip in northern Michigan. I brought my HMG pack. I sweat all the way through all three layers under the pack and didn't even realize it until I took it off and was suddenly freezing. The rest of me was completely dry, so I was really surprised. I'm not looking forward to this pack in the summer. I use my Arc Blast all summer and was never soaked through with sweat.
sir god damit you are the best...i watch them all.
1:00 Backpack comparison begins
4:00 Why everyone needs a Z-Seat
6:05 Why there's not really any Ultralight backpackers on RUclips
7:05 Why he really likes the new backpack!
9:25 Rad skillz
Now to be serious: From what I understand Pack Volume is measured by filling it with balls (imagine ping pong balls [or table tennis balls if you're a ping pong player]). The volume is then calculated by counting the balls that are very good at filling all the space inside the pack. Some manufacturers only count the main pack volume, others include every single place they can manage to fill. There is no actual standard from what I've seen and heard. I wish there was a system that had two numbers "x/x" where the first number is the main compartment and the second is the extra little pockets.
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You want space? Check out the ULA Catalyst in X-Pac material. You could fit your whole house in it-lol!
I had a pair of Keen boots that did that squeak thing. From new after a good 600 700km walking it went away. And I guess a few hundred km after that they started leaking.
Line each pack with a plastic bag and start filling them with water, one liter at a time.
you should try the HMG packing pods they go great with it and make organization a breeze
No rain will get in lol Dan has learned
Welcome to the dark side HMG Windrider 3400 here 🤙🏼🌲✌🏼
Regarding volume: I know that Zpacks counts the front mesh pockets and the side pockets into the volume, maybe hyprelite doesn´t
I like my Arc Blast. It’s great for up-to week-long trips. At this point since my base weight is just over 10lbs including my current pack and my base gear is pretty small/compact, for my next pack, I’ll probably get a 35L frameless. That’ll be for those overnight or weekend trips where I just don’t need the volume that my Arc Blast affords.
The only reason I’d get a 60L+ pack, which is what that Hyperlight Mtn pack is, is for when I’d need to carry a 40+ lbs load. in that case, I would get a more traditional pack with a substantial support system like an Osprey. Extra large “ultralight” backpacks are a collective oxymoron to me. You’ll be extremely uncomfortable if you took advantage of all that space that pack offers. (speaking from an almost-ultralight perspective)
excellent review and comparison. the "consumer reports" type review that I love to see (and would love to see in lots of other videos). detailed, informative, useful. keep up the great work!
Na I just enjoy you're views and way you look at stuff! Plus your fun as hell mate! Lol ultra light is kool! It really depends on you're needs, if it medical condition, spine, hip, shoulder injuries, or deeper muscle issues meaning extra lumbar support or padding in areas.. a different look on stuff!! The wants, needs, goals talk.. plus that's a super sweet training board! Keep up the kool work!
Haha! My damn Patagonia day pack squeaks like that on the left. Goddammit! I was up in Lake Nambe area near Santa Fe and thought I was losing my mind hearing that squeak.
Good vid.
I have been trying to decide between these two packs for the past couple of weeks. HMG it is, thanks a lot for this video!
That board looks fun!
😅 Time stamp warrior's
You crack me up
Looks like some great gear👍
I do not know about Hyperlite, but zPacks figures their side pockets and mesh pocket into the liter capacity. Maybe HL just counts the main compartment.
DaN The Man BECKAH ❤.....
I've always found back ventilation on packs to be overrated. I embrace the sweat, and find it more comfortable to have the load as close to my body as possible.
rweb82 - The Osprey Exos 58 has legit ventilation, and at 2.65 pounds it’s nearly the same weight as the HMG. It also carries loads much better.
@@BacktotheOutdoors I'm just not a fan of Osprey's designs in general- especially with their more "ultralight" packs. The lack of hip belt pockets is a deal-breaker for me.
rweb82 - I thought I would miss the hip belt pockets as well, but now it doesn’t bother me. I sold my HMG because the excessive back sweating it caused. I have a LiteAF fanny pack I wear and it’s easier to use than most hip belt pockets. I can also continue to wear it once I take the pack off, if needed. When I tested my Exos 58 with sandbags at REI, it carried loads more comfortably than packs twice its weight.
@@BacktotheOutdoors No doubt that Osprey makes good packs. And if back ventilation is a big deal to you, there probably isn't a better option than Osprey. I just prefer a more utilitarian design. My pack is the ULA Ohm 2.0. I love everything about it- the large hip belt pockets, the very large side pockets, and the large stretchy mesh pocket. It has everything I need, and nothing I don't. It is also a lot more durable than DCF packs. I don't usually carry it to capacity, but have carried 35lbs in it a few times, and found it was still comfortable.
Great video, so if I am correct zpacks uses all pockets and mesh pocket with the internal volume for a combined 55L. So it seems obvious that with the hyperlite it’s all internal volume is 55L. So I am using the zpacks nero with added hip belt pockets, love my pack but I also struggle with the zippers, it’s a 2 handed operating to get them open. Wish hyperlite came out with something as small as the nero cause I would probably buy it to try it out, instead I’ll probably do the waymark or liteAF. But for now, I’m continually rocking the zpacks and I think you’re on the money about the hyperlite, they make a great product and it seems to be still one of the best companies out there. Keep the videos coming, I love watching the new gear reviews.
That was great Dan, just great!!! The whole video but especially the beginning.
I'm actually looking to change my pack before spring. Now I have even more to think about. Thanks Dan.
What does that have to do with backpacking? Everything! It is basically a sport version of the disc version I own that is made to improve balance and strengthen your ankles. Enjoy it!
Should be a good switch good luck with the new pack. I've seen some companies go by the main compartment and others count all the pockets in the total volume.
The thing I don’t like about the hyperlite is the lack of load lifters. I would go with bonfus instead. Personally I went with the Durston and love it
ZPacks arc haul fit weird on my shoulders. I went with LiteAF curve 40. Much more comfortable IMO, but it’s more tuned in for ~10lb baseweight so wouldn’t be good in your situation with the camera gear. The hyperlite packs do look sweet though, and their logo is awesome.
Zpacks website specs state that the 55l includes the water bottle pockets and the mesh pocket. Main body is only 42 liters. HMG website states main body is 55l and back pocket is an additional 9.8l. Here is a vid from REI showing how to measure per the international standard, which only measure fully enclosable pockets, so pockets like the side and back pockets that stay open are not measured, so those become "extra" liters: ruclips.net/video/dQwJn_cEAtU/видео.html
I went by 2 other packs before I settled with a HMG southwest 2400 ,,,
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Interesting size comparison! Nice packs...thanks for showing them together!🥶
I’ve always wanted a HMG 3400 Southwest. Please post more about it! I’ve read reviews about it on Backpacking Light.
I was looking very seriously at the arc haul just around Christmas. When zpacks was having their supposed deals. But when I started to research the pack and got some opinions from other users. I did not get very favorable reviews. Some said that there was even a quality control issue with some packs.
Dan one question for you. How comfortable is the hyperlight at weight(say thirtyish pounds)? It looks like you would need to give special attention when packing your gear into the main compartment.
I have heard their tents have been having quality control issues too (leaking)
I have both and for me, the ZP transfers weight better. I much prefer ZP as I had hip and back pain with same at in HMG. HMG does hold more but not comfortably. HMG also feels tougher (heavier dynema)
Dan, have you ever checked out the Katabatic Onni Liteskin? Looks very similar to what you are looking for and great hip-bet and frame. Carries quite a bit of gear at 50L with frame and 35 lb rating.
Thank you I am looking between both of these packs and I was leaning more on the ZPack. Did you use the adjustments recommended by ZPack to adjust the weight to your body type? I found a video on how to adjust the bag to your shoulders and waist. Just curious. -- Ivan
Nice video with explanation Dan. I'm thinking about shifting the same way towards HMG this year, I have the Zpacks Arc Haul now, been using it for the last 6-7 years, but with camera gear and a tripod, I agree, the weight in the pack once you hit about 25 pounds starts to get uncomfortable. And yes, the squeaking is a bit of nuisance.
What I see in the difference in liters is that the ZPacks is 55L until you roll it down. From the side by side you’ve shown it looks like HMG is 55L when rolled down.
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Totally buying my “son” a whirly board!!
What about the osprey levity sonce you liked ospreys so far ? What was wrong with it ?
If you like the HMG over the Zpacks, you should really try the LiteAsFeather Curve models!
No load lifters on the LiteAf packs. The curve 35 has a 20 lb limit....you could go higher but I'm sure it would be uncomfortable.
Love my LiteAF 35L Curve. Most comfortable pack I've ever carried. Twenty pound max is plenty for a 4-5 day trip depending upon water availability. Awesome pack.
What about LiteAF framed pack?
Backpackin Grannie, yes and also Chris at LiteAF is so amazing he may put load lifters on if someone requests it. Believe he did that with the pack he made for Frozen. Without even speaking to ultralight, I can’t even fathom with today’s technology carrying over 20 pounds unless you are carrying also sorts of extra specialty gear. Even with four days of food and a liter of water in Michigan winter I can no longer crack 20. Overnighters/weekend trips in the dead of winter and I’m not above 11 pounds. One other thing about LiteAF is their shoulder straps. They are the best in the market and carry heavier loads much more comfortable than any other pack I’ve tried.
@@2laughandlaugh No load lifters on the HMG packs either... And the LiteAF framed packs are rated for 35lbs
Fair points, but I went with the Crown x60 (drop.com) and stripped it down (lose brain, extra straps, etc) and came in at ~1009 grams or 36oz. It cost me $100, lists for $120. Carried it 50 miles through Yosemite this year loaded at 33lbs to start (19lb base with bear can), no problem. At the weight you are talking about, I'd save some money and go with the Crown for the price.
Living in Florida the Arc is of high value
My backpack is squeaking and it is really annoying! I'm using my son's Gregory. My daughter has an Osprey and it squeaks as well! I'm still looking for one... :)
The ACTUAL content starts at 0:28....when Dan nails a 360 on the whirly board. Pretty dope.
I have packs that are the same 'liter size' and are different inside and out. I don't know how they measure these things but something is a little sketchy about their methods for sure.
I have the nero, it a great pack for doing long miles on hard trail because it weighs 10oz. Once you get to the weight of the blast and haul I dont know that the weight vs the corners that were cut are really worth it.
I have a Blast, Duplex and 20 degree quilt. I think if I went with a Nero I would have to dial down again. The Nero has no hip belt that for me at my age is a deal breaker with my present set up. I have no idea how people do long water Paul’s with a Nero. I may look into one but it will be for very specialized trips. I don’t think one pack or set up works for every situation. I have multiple packs, tents etc. Who knows maybe I will go down the super UL pack some day.
I recently called Osprey and was told volume is measured: "as a total of all zippered compartments." So, the front mesh and water bottle compartments do not count. So, when comparing space in Ospreys to cottage companies, I think adding at least 10 liters to stated volume would be appropriate (My Kyte 46, for example, is probably more like 56+ liters). Many cottage companies break down the volume of the individual compartments and/or list total usable space. Anyhoo... It would be great for an industry standard in this department... I think it would help cottage companies as it would take out a piece of the mystery of sizing a pack for yourself that you cannot try on.
Zpacks counts all the external pockets, HMG does not. Like an Osprey pack, an HMG 55L is all told more like a 65L pack.
Some brands count all pockets to the volume. Newer small companies, that produce UL gear are guilty of this, and companies who want to reach a larger clientele are adopting the traditional method of calling a packs volume the main compartments volume.