What They Don't Tell You About Wyverns - D&D
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so this is why rathian can poison you with their tail in MH
Combo of Rathian and Pukei-Pukei.
rathalos poison too.
@@vivianmunroe717 I actually haven't playend MH for about half a year so I wasn't sure if it did. Now I remember it uses its claws not tail to poison.
CaptainGulasch in mhw the flip/spin attack stops poisoning when you chop their tails
Venom.
My home brew is simple:
Dragons - intelligent, can speak, magic using, immortal
Wyvern - wild, animalistic, blows fire but not magic using, has a lifespan
Why make dragons immortal instead of them having a 4000-8000 year lifespans like they have in canon? that is effectivly immortal as most dragons get killed long before that
@@lollakasfamilianimi3246 why do they have to die? I bet many go into twilight phase. I can imagine an island of dragons in twilight all sleeping in magical peace.
neat, but what about a drake?
Same, except my Dragons have gone Full Imperium of Man(Dragon in this case).
0:27 I can already see a wave of comments arguing about this. But in my opinion what makes a true dragon no matter if it has 4 or 2 leg's is that it needs to fly,be able to grow to large sizes and breathe fire or another elemental power.
i think he just argues in DnD terms other worlds can call big fire breathing lizard a dragon but in dnd they would not be considered dragons
@@godjohn1176 Yep
@@godjohn1176 Except around that time stamp in the original post he was saying that dragons in other media are not dragons because they don't fit into the D&D definition
@@barethor5869I think he is using definitions from dnd but I could be terribly wrong
I tend to go by the archaic definition of dragon and wivern, (not to be confused with wyvern).
Hey MrRhexx! Good vid I'm kind of in the same ballpark with these definitions! Nice job sourcing the artists on almost all the art, I wanted to let you know that the handy dragon-type chart at 0:09 is made by @Drakthug (not save for work warning)
"There's no reason to hunt an Adult Wyvern", Of course there is! So that you can then take it's eggs and hatch them for you're new pet baby wyvern!
As a D&D fan, I'm triggered when other D&D fans try to fit non-D&D dragons into D&D lore, such as those from Skyrim and GoT. Dragons outside of D&D need not conform to D&D's definition of what a dragon is, since a dragon is technically a fictional character, and thus lore (and by extent, dragons) can change between fictional settings.
Otherwise, nice video.
Wyvern Parent: Here's dinner. [drops living creature]
Wyvern Child: [stings creature]
Wyvern Parent: fucking gross!
Skim milk is water that's lying about being milk. There is only one thing I hate more than lying. Skim milk, which is water that's lying about being milk
*Wyverns are Kobolds that are lying about being Dragons. There is only one thing I hate more than lying. Wyverns, which are Kobolds that's lying about being Dragons.* 🗿
Sounds like the rats of dragons
Great video! Love all of them
Wyverns are real dragons and i will stand by that statement until my death
I think there should be made a difference. A 2 legged dragon is highly magical, perhaps it do not have a breath weapon but at least it should be highly magical. A wyvern is less magical, if it breaths fire it would be due to eating some elements to make it happen. It may have a spike with poison, or it may have screams that can damage. However it would have evolved to use more non magical means to fight. Making them a more boring cousin of the 2 legged dragons.
So basically what you're telling me, a battle between two adult Wyverns, is basically an extreme pissing match?
yeah just about right
More like flying bukake session
Like dragons in Skyrim battles are just debates
@@Kng-hv2qb very deadly debates I made a character who only fought with the voice using a glitch allowing me to use the voice unlimitedly
@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 Lol i want to do that
"Bulges drips and sprays all over the battle feild" had a bard like that in my last campaign.
I think most dms have had a bard like that, hell I've had a rogue like that, warlock too
“Squirting their venom into the other wyvern’s mouth”
Wyverns are officially the most inadvertently sexual monster in dnd
also having one appendage around which their existence revolves
you had a toxic bard?
pleease do a video about the PURPLE WORM, i would love to know more about it
Me too XD
The Purple Worm is a terrifying creature. I've seen many adventurers swallowed whole by them.
I use a Purple Worm to attack my wife every-night most times I roll critical failure.
@@spkt0r XD
I love how he completely glossed over that
MrRhexx you should just accept the fact that your the bonafide D&D zoologist on RUclips. Embrace it because this is great content
tmg says sup
Michael Landry you’re
He's the crocodile man of D&D
let's get him to pair up with a zoo tier for a dnd ranking.
Him and AJ Pickett
I love how you narrate all this like you have actually seen all of this. Your excited voice when you talk about facts is brilliant voice acting.
no he actually has.
I'm not sure it's acting, I think he's genuinely excited about these facts.
Sometimes i forget this is all fantasy just because of the amount of lore put into it.
I fell like i watching discovery channel
diego andres imagine Steve Erwin meeting a wyvern. “Now whatcha gotta do is jump on its back and wrestle it into submission. It’s so beautiful”
Mr. Rhexx: Adult wyverns settle their differences and territory disputes in the most bizzare of ways...
Me, seeing the picture at 6:34: ...please say dance battle....
My thought exactly.
That would make it kinda realistic
I want hydra next and also i want that dragons chart.
@@hay1lao ye
This video gave me a good idea for a one shot: a town has an old wyvern that they tamed and colected their poison to keep the town safe from other wyverns, but this wyvern is almost dying of old age, so you need to find a wyvern's nest and rob an egg
That's a good idea
Welp, I'm stealing this
Issue chaotic monster hunter egg quest shenanigans
I like this
"the wyvern farm", new dnd concept
Milking Wyverns 😉
Jaimgames Might be new to dnd, definitely not new to fantasy.
A cool background for a noble PC could be that he or she is from a long family of wyvern breeders. Thanks for the idea!
Uhhhhhh no
So you're telling me Wyverns are big Splatoon fans. Interesting.
You're a kid now, You're a squid now, You're a draconic beast now
Oh hi!
Explaining the wyvern Poison and it’s stinger just sounded so dirty
Bro, the fight description...
Ah, I see you're a Bard as well
People always ask wyvern but never howvern =/
I wish I didn't chuckle
I do you one better, whovern?
@@marcopohl4875 whatvern
@@nunyabusiness168.
@@marcopohl4875 oh
The last portion about why there’s little to no reason to hunt wyverns is fascinating. Thank you.
Do one about Drakes, they're so underated.
They are rather underrated and misinterpreted too for example the Lord Of The Rings drakes are actually Wyverns since drakes are basically four legged WINGLESS dragons in a nutshell at least.
So wyverns two legs with wings, dragons four legs with wings, Drake four legs no wings?
@@ReptarTheUgly, Pretty much, and they're good draconic dogs too lmao
I love their memes!
@@caseyjamesgarland7029 whoa, hold on now, are you saying that J.R.R. Tolkien, the grandfather of all things fantasy, got dragons wrong?
Wyvern Poison to another Wyver is basically the human equivalent ofa fart from other people.
So Wyverns fart into each other's mouths for domination.
This needs to be a combat sport.
Guarantee someone would push too hard and dump ass in open mouth
@@colbygarcia8766 hahaha
Wyverns, and generally any generic dragon interpreted with 2 wings and hind limbs, were considered dragons until heraldic Europe wanted to differentiate their iconography with continental dragons (the generic 6-limbed or winged quadrupedal dragons we all know and love) when using them on royal crests and symbols. Though not in DnD, I still consider Wyverns are dragons.
I think the tail spike makes wyverns different from other 2 legged dragons though.
@@zhoupact8567 Some dragons were also described having spiked tails, like Zmey and Khala from slavic traditions.
Hm... >.> Ok not spike stinger then. I would think plenty of dragons have a bunch of spikes on their tail to slam slam creatures with.
The wyverns also do not tend to have breath weapon, and in general is less magical. I am sure some fine lines could be drawn there, but its not as if it matters if the 2 blend into each other a little bit. They would still just be different classifications of dragon-kind.
@@zhoupact8567 True, I'm not talking about the DnD universe, Wyverns in that game are not dragons, that's how they were written. In general european mythology they count as dragons. Also, not every dragon in mythology had a 'breath weapon'.
He said they weren't _true dragons_ which is not the same thing as you are arguing. The MM defines what is and is not a _true dragon._ The MM specifically says that the wyvern is a dragon although it is not in the same category as true dragons.
Makes me wonder how squadrons of wyvern riders train them so that they can work together. Especially if they’re all tossing poison at the enemy.
They’re dumb but they have WIS, if enemy attack, they don’t really care, they just go for the kill
How do wyverns interact with true dragons? And what do dragons think of them?
Well. Considering that wyverns do speak draconic, and that they taste terrible, wyvern flies into dragon turf. Dragon either enslaves the wyvern if that is in their nature, or roars out “GTFO!!!!” to which the wyvern pisses off as to not get obliterated. Either way a dragon would not likely tolerate a free wyvern in their turf since the wyvern is so inferior and is something that will consume food they could other wise be eating while being undesirable as food themselves (therefore removing net resource from the territory).
"No one has figured out how to cure Wyvern skin", huh? Tell that to the Hunter's Guild blacksmiths
Ayeee.
So Wyvern battles are just matches of Splatoon?
Turf War or Splat Zone?
I JUST had a session where my players found some wyvern venom and had the possibility to go hunt one. This came at the perfect time!
D&D writers need to learn the difference between "poison" and "venom".
If it bites you and you die, it's venom.
If *you* bite it and die, it's poison.
This is an extremely simple concept, I really don't understand how anyone gets it wrong.
@ That may be so, but WotC is an American company. The English Monster Manual shouldn't have such a basic error in it.
Language is fluid and as long as the message is conveyed it literally does not matter at all. Ask any English professor or linguist and they will agree with me. Get off of your linguistic high horse and find something actually important to care about.
Just an Average Dragon wyverns have poisonous blood so even following this logic, wotc is still technically correct.
Also, one more minor point for all of you biology nerds, and I know this is a nitpick but
wyverns are fictional creatures and do not exist in reality.
@@buttface1202 I'll choose to care about whatever I damn well please, and WotC is still wrong.
So concerning taming the wyverns....you said they have an instinctive hatred for poison of other of their kind. Does that mean taming and breading Wyverns en masse, as in creating a Wyvern "cavalry" is simply impossible to accomplish?
Nope. You could take the babies and destroy their sense of smell with heated irons.
@@MeepChangeling thats some chaotic neutral right there
Somehow during the vid got numerous gachimuchi flashbacks
Mostly in "dominance by trying to force-feeding the venom" section
You know, "Swallow my..." and all of that
I twitched every time the venom was described as poison. They ain't synonyms.
Zoogoo40 “It’s incredibly poisonous” ok so I won’t eat it.
It is used as both. The wyvern x wyvern fights try to get the other to ingest it for example. I'd call it toxin or something
tree guy You got a good point there. Toxic/Toxin would be a better descriptor for how it works, since it can kill through ingestion and injection.
@@josephcole8102 Our venom isn't toxic to ingest, and contrary to what the video says, doesn't have much of a taste at all.
It's just deeply insulting and disgusting, like if you were forced to drink another human's saliva.
@@aspthewyvern3622 the video said wyverns are immune to wyvern toxin but whatever. Shouldn't something with an int as low as a wyvern be unable to use RUclips
Yay! Now we just need videos for the Linnorm, Lung, Pyroclastic, Ferrous, Shadow, Song, and Gem Dragons. (I’m probably forgetting a few types.)
Drakes, kobolds
Wyverns, technically are just a classification of the species of dragon. But I guess the story/lore is different from most other fantasy classifications.
Saying Wyverns aren't Dragons because they don't have front legs is like saying that Bulldogs are real dogs because they have no tail. D&D trippin'.
TRUE Dragons. Wyverns are a form of dragon, but they do not possess the traits necessary to count as a true dragon.
D&D isn't trippin, and I guess by that reason, can you help me? USA is keeping a bunch of humans called apes and monkeys in cages, and they are in pain! USA be trippin' yo!
it is a VENOM not a POISON (great video though!)
Where did you get that chart about wyrms,Drakes,and wyverns
Google
dionje5TV thanks
Say "this isn't a Dragon is a Wyvern" is the same thin as say
"This isn't a Dog is a Bulldog"
I'd love to be a person who's whole goal is to make a new spieces of draconid a fire breathing, intelligent (barely), (fairly)tamable , wyvern.
I used to watch a lot of animal planet as a kid, and I remember how certain kinds of raptor birds would fight by flying at each other really high up, clutching each other with their claws, and biting each other as they plummeted towards the ground, separating before they hit and repeating the process until one died or gave up, I imagined a confrontation between wyverns would be similar, except with tail sting attacks instead of biting.
I'd like to add the wyvern-dragon argument only exists in D&D. Mythologically speaking if it's a big freaking reptile (or even fish in some cases) it's a dragon.
there were also mythological dragons that have characteristic that were from other types of animals than reptiles and fish
It doesn't only exist in d&d. And by your logic, mythology speaking if it's a mammal it's a human.
@@zionthedragon8866 That isn't even close to what he is saying, and the idea of trying to differentiate them on what is ultimately a minor detail in the broad range of characteristics that have been attributed to dragons is a modern thing, these terms would have been used somewhat interchangeable based upon who was telling the story historically
@@barethor5869 actually, that's pretty close to what he was saying, and and something as big as limbs are minor? Ooh, so can you help me out? USA still has slavery by putting another type of human called apes in cages, and they need to be set free, also, watch out for rattle-gators, I heard they are pretty horny this time around. Also, some details attributed dragons are what gave the dragon it's name. But in all seriousness, yes your right, it is a modern idea that anything can be a dragon as long as the writer wants it to be. And these terms were used by the culture and/or country who made it in THEIR language.
@@zionthedragon8866 Yes, the number of limbs is a minor detail in the specific context of historical depictions, historically they had been depicted as having a wide range of limb configurations. I honestly can't tell your trying to say with this second part. The name dragon for a creature comes from a Greek word that had meant serpent or giant fish, wyvern comes from a root, the same one that would become viper, both are English terms used to name monstrous snakes or reptiles, but when describing them in more detail, as with many mythological creatures and monsters, different authors and story tellers would give them differing attributes. Historically a dragon could be anything a writer wanted it to be, it is a modern notion that a specific creature is a dragon and another was a wyvern based on a specific detail.
Will you cover the other chromatic dragons? (Yellow, Purple, Brown, and Orange) You should! They’re pretty cool Imo
Yellow... purple... brown... and orange? What? I've never heard of these chromatic dragons. There are reds, blues, greens, blacks, and whites, but... yellows? Oranges? Where are you getting this information? I've only seen dragons of those colors in Spyro games.
@@dragonwithamonocle this comment was made 4 months ago, lol. Yellow, purple, brown etc. colloured chromatic dragons do exist but are obviously very rare. This channel has mentioned them in other videos passingly. Look it up via forgotten realms lore if you haven't and are still interested
I'd love to have heard more about how to tame a Wyvern, much like you covered in the Gryphon videos, would be v helpful for something I've been planning in my campaign!
It always bothered me when someone's like "Skryim dragons are actually wyverns not dragons." Sure, by DnD standards they are but this is a different universe they can make a dragon whatever they want it to be.
Alex Bauschke even in most real world depictions a wyvern is two legged and arms with wings. It’s just more of what is thought of as a dragon in modern days.
@@ethanrajczak3041 I mean since dragons are a fictional species they are based on the world they reside which is why in things like Tamriel or GOT they don't have 4 legs and they wouldn't fit the schtick of wyvern either since Tamriel dragons have no stinger and are hyper intelligent.
And remember most of these things in some way are based on Tolkiens stories and in those literally every large evil lizard was a dragon. Glaurang had no wings, ancalagon the black had four legs and wings, and smaug had four legs and two wings in most depictions and just two legs and wings in others, there were "drakes" that had rear legs and front wings. So the idea that DnD is the best definition of what is which is silly. And like the OP said they take place in different worlds in different universes.
In the most realistic fantasy world there would be no such creature as "dragon with six limbs", because in reality no animal evolved that way, it's impractical.
Same goes for Centaurs - they would not be the result of evolution.
Agreed Skyrim ain't DnD they are definitely dragons.
Wyverns have a real world counter part in the bat winged dinosaur fossils they just found in China.
The dragons of Game of thrones and skyrim are real dragons because those universes say they are. You cant really apply arbitrary definitions to mythological creatures across universes. Example, many cultures on earth have dragons that dont have four legs
You are telling me that if I wrote about a fire breathing Corgi and called it a dragon that would actually be a dragon? Sweet
@@ettoregalante2066 Yes, there are many examples of dragons that look nothing like the common modern appearance
@@barethor5869 eh, those aren't dragons, never were until modern times. But yes, in YOUR fiction, you can call it what ever you want.
Yes you could have a dragon that looked like a corgi, if it is your universe with no predefined rules on what makes a dragon a dragon
@@90kalos1 and I agree, but if going off of the FIRST original, as intended during that era usage, archaic term, then I would not classify a corgi as a dragon, no matter how cute and cool they are.
Loving this series! Keep up the good work! (You should totally do a hydra series next)
Wait dude, Wyverns are still dragons, not true dragons but definitely dragons.
Pepega Clap
Yes they're dragons.
Not all dragons are quadrupeds.
It brings a smile to my face, how hard people try to define mythological creatures infamous for never having the same depiction in any two stories.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 with that logic eastern dragons which are usually depicted wingless aren't dragons.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 I'm talking about D&D dragons
Wywerns are dragons, saying the dragon of Skyrim isn’t a wyvern is like saying my dog isn’t a dog it’a a golden retriever.
Nop
In a campaign I'm taking part in my character actually managed to get leather from a Wyvern, which means a literal Troglodite managed to do the impossible and found a way to cure Wyvern hide.
Or your DM didn't know the wyvern physiology was useless as material. Or they did but home-brewed that because they didn't like it, which is fine.
One minor (okay, major) nitpick with this video... And that is your first 30 seconds.
It's a dragon, if whoever came up with the creature says it's a dragon. They are, at the end of the day, a made-up creature, and no hard physiological or biological boundaries exist, which would otherwise determine if X is a dragon or a wyvern or a pastel coloured pony.
So two legs and two wings. Does the author say it's a dragon? Well, then charts that some person on the internet made is irrelevant. The author is the authority, not Jane Doe or John Smith who made the chart.
It is one thing to make such statements in the context of a setting ("In Faerûn dragons look like X and wyverns look like Y.") where the setting itself has clearly defined the classifications and differences of various creatures and the like, and another entirely to say that the dragons of Game of Thrones or Elder scrolls: Skyrim are "Technically wyverns". Because they're not. The creators of those worlds says that they are dragons, and that is where the discussion stops.
Sorry about the rant, but that is one thing that annoys me to no end, people claiming authority and knowledge on what is and what isn't, in fantasy worlds they had no part in creating.
He said they weren't _true dragons_ which is not the same thing as you are arguing. The MM defines what is and is not a _true dragon._ The MM specifically says that the wyvern is a dragon although it is not in the same category as true dragons.
@@allenz7688 "That is why the dragons of Skyrim and the dragons of Game of Thrones, are considered to be 'technically wyverns, and not real dragons.'"
Starts at around 00:20.
The creators of said franchises says that they are dragons, therefore they are True Dragons. D&D Rules and such don't apply, because it's not the same universe. They ARE true dragons, and no amount of made-up schematic will change that.
I'm not arguing about how it is in D&D, but about how it is in other franchises. And with other franchises the author is the final authority, and their word is law. If George R.R. Martin referred to the likes of Drogon as a 'Wyvern', then he would be a wyvern. But he's referred to as a Dragon, so he is a dragon. My complaint is with Rexx trying to pass on the D&D rules as having authority over other franchises, which they just don't have.
@@1Kapuchu100 I can understand your beef to an extent, especially if you focus solely on his comments about the other authors. Also, the "traditionally, wyverns aren't dragons..." would be associated with British/Welsh history much more than other cultures. I understand the setup that @MrRhexx was going for, although he made the transition muddled in his presentation. George R.R. Martin's dragons would be "traditionally" wyverns in British/Welsh culture...[insert fluff text]...dnd uses this "traditional British/Welsh culture" categories to call wyverns not _true dragons._ The entire 50 second intro works together in context, but each individual segment of the intro is easy to tear apart out of context.
@@allenz7688 in the context of British and Welsh mythology, they would appear more like wyverns than dragons, yes, but his phrasing does not give this context, he just flat out says that they're not true dragons.
Jes Bendtsen : In the context of fantasy/folklore the oldest, presumably original, most prevalent manifestation of that folklore is the "authority". Ancient writings do somewhat differentiate between "proper" dragons and wyverns, casting wyverns (so far as I've seen) as a subclass of dragons. Even in a fantasy context, it's nice to have some degree of consistency when dealing with pre-existing concepts; otherwise things can become so muddled as to lose any semblance to the original concept. For example, some people are so enamored with "sparkling", kewl vampires that can have sex and children, that they have no notion of what vampires/nosteratu of classical folklore are; just like some D&D players sometimes forget the concept of color based dragons with corresponding breath weapons is a relatively new idea. It's good to have occasional reminders of "the classics".
dragons are the generic term. wyvern is a species of dragon, just throwing out a unpopular fact that not many know.
Dragons are not the generic term, serpent was. Wyvern is a cousin of dragon, just throwing out a true unpopular fact that is actually not known compared to this one. Sure modertimes anything can be a dragon, but back then not everything could. But people are free to make it how they want now-a-days.
Whatever makes you feel better
@@ikeblack3647 Same to you.
sorry for being right man. lol
@@ikeblack3647 be right that we can do what ever makes you or me better? Nah, it's ok.
Would love to know more about the purple warm plz.
So build an out house or rain shelter pavilion and spread it's poison under the roof and you have long lasting wyvern poison sent that does not just wash away.
The dragons in GoT and Skyrim are still dragons....not Wyverns, who are a pretty unique creature, and while they share some draconic ancestry, I would not consider them to be a subtype or categorical dragon species based simply on it's body parts. Many dragons in tons of stories have the same configuration of wings and no forelimbs. It's technically up to the person writing the lore what constitutes a Dragon, Wyrm, etc. That being said, I DO like the little dragon body type relation chart and I find it mostly accurate (as much as fantasy anatomy reference can be). Anywho... Continue.
Wyvern’s aren’t dragons in D&D. But they can be in other media.
Why not?
Maiq The Liar VII
One of the main differences between dragons and wyverns, is that dragons can breath fire, will wyverns can't. So the dragons from example GoT, are not wyverns.
Wyverns were once thought to be dragons until heraldic Europe wanted to differentiate their iconography with continental dragons (the generic winged 4-legged dragons we all know and love) when depicting them on royals crests and symbols. Even before the word Wyvern, a lot of traditional depictions of dragons featured them having 2 wings and 2 legs and not every dragon breathes fire.
@@kingdomofprussiaball7438 Except that was something DnD cooked up. It doesn't hold to every depiction of a wyvern.
I think wyverns and 2 legged dragons should be classed differently. The dragons in Game of Thrones breath fire naturally, I expect thanks in part to magic? A 2 legged dragon would be more magical I would say than a wyvern. It may not even have a breath weapon but it would have some cool magical abilities. A wyvern as I see it is more natural than a 2 legged dragon. At least in most cases. It will not have a natural fire, but may eat some special mineral that lets it shoot a bit of fire, but to a rather limited degree. Or they would have a poison tail. Perhaps screams that hurt once mind.
He said they weren't _true dragons_ which is not the same thing as you are arguing. The MM defines what is and is not a _true dragon._ The MM specifically says that the wyvern is a dragon although it is not in the same category as true dragons.
if dragons where to evolve from any living reptile or evolved from extinct reptile, the Wyvern shape is what it develop, since no vertebreat creature has more than four limbs.
Bug dragons.
@@nanman1562 Was that the actual name of a type in D&D or were you joking?
@@crazy13alex nah just a joke, though technically anything can be made into a draconic creature in DND.
Some monkeys have prehensile tails, essentially a sixth limb if the head is counted.
I want a "how to kill X"- manual! I'm planning on DMing and this would be valuable information to emerse my players
What about green dragons ¿? They could est their meat without being bothered by poison right ¿? Or they could “tame” them as well 😂
I don’t like it when people say “Dragons breath fire Wyverns spit Acid.” Because like what is the Dragon /Wyvern is a different element? Like water or earth. We all know dragons can be different elements.Right?...
It's worth noting that there isn't always a hard and fast distinction between types of dragons. Overly Sarcastic Productions made a Tropes Talk video about this, and they point out that "dragon" is more of a broad category of reptilian monsters rather than one specific type of creature. You can have dragons with four legs, two legs, no legs, wings, no wings, snaky bodies, lizard bodies, mammalian bodies, scales, feathers, fur, snake heads, one head, many heads, lizard heads, lion heads, goat heads, dinosaur heads (think Tigrex), and so on and so forth. Some European dragons had two legs but were still called dragons, and the term is broad enough to cover monsters like wyverns, the Hydra, Jormungandr, and even Typhon. When you do see hard and fast distinctions, it's typically in specific fantasy worlds with their own unique taxonomies, like D&D. If you go over to Game of Thrones or Skyrim, then there are no such distinctions, and it doesn't make sense to argue over what counts as a dragon, wyvern, or whatever else. If it's big, scaly, and scary, then it's probably a dragon.
Good video, but you're wrong when you say that there is a tradinional distintion between dragons and wyvern: that only comes in modern fantasy, but in legends and myths they'd be just slightly different dragons.
Ironically that distinction comes from DnD. So he's not wrong saying Wyverns aren't dragons in that context. But when speaking of the Dov from Tamriel and Westeros dragons, he was dead fucking wrong.
Venom.
Biggest bugaboo with dnd. You can calc em the same just make the distinction
Your content is actually really helpful in a secondary way that you probably didn't even intend, which is that it makes Intelligence a far more useful ability than it currently is.
A lot of the time Int is seen as a dump stat because the Monster Manual doesn't really gives any type of monster weaknesses that could be handy to know when confronting one, it's just hack and slash through it (Not saying that for 100% of the time, of course). But when your characters Int checks actually reveal that, say, a Red Dragon is going to avoid using its fire breath if there is a chance it will destroy potential treasure, or that a Wyvern is revolted by the presence of other wyvern venom, and will fly away if any ends up in its mouth, then it actually makes having an intelligent character in the party a lot more useful.
Keep it up!
A dragoness I know mated with a male wyvren just to find out the results. How long will it be until the eggs hatch?
DnD is the exception rather than the rule, a wyvern is simply a sub category of dragon in the same way a drake, a cockatrice and Chinese dragons are. In terms of real life definitions think of dragon as a broad family grouping.
Nah bro. You can't lump everything together as a group. Real ancient mythologies make distinctions. Im not saying DnD is 100% correct, but wyverns, dragons, drakes, dracons, etc. Are all different in form and habits
That could be a quest from a group of adventures, finding and bring back a wyvern egg for a city that uses its poison and needs a replacement as their wyvern is getting old or has died.
Your videos are really good, like seriously, should I ever be a GM, I will consult your videos again for these info's. I think they are well made and easy to understand. So good work
MrRhexx, liked your explanation of the difference between Wyverns and Dragons. In the past, I made a video on this very difference. Cheers.
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Worth mentioning that Wyverns were almost exclusive to British heraldry (and only since the 16th Century) before DnD popularized it as the name for a two-legged dragon.
In other European countries dragons were represented with both two and four legs (and with no legs or no wings). Even in the British Isles you can see writers like Tolkien referring to what DnD players would call Drakes or Wyverns as dragons.
So. Yes. Game of Thrones and Skyrim dragons are dragons.
Great vid, though a slight critique on your opening remarks, Wyverns are actually Quadrupedal and high fantasy Dragons are Hexapedal (Wings are limbs). The Wyvern body type is actually a more natural body plan if dragons were to evolve on Earth or along with all the other Quadrupeds in a setting.
I have a few questions...
1, I know dragons have the highest compatibility for interspecies breeding. How do other species of draconic fair with this feature?
(I'm fascinated with playing God and cross breeding)
2, How do wyverns fair at swimming? Would they use their wings to prepel themselves or would they fold them up and swim like a crocodilian? Are their bones hollow and make sinking near impossible as well as being able to go underwater? Would their body act as a buoy and deny them the ability to chase after their prey if it got far enough underwater?
3, If I have this correct, plants and other flora has poison, but animals that use a chemical pathogen in a bite, fang injection or stinger is a venom. So a wyvern would be considered venomous, whereas a giant carnivorous plant would be considered poisonous. I just thought this little tidbit of info might be useful to whomever reads it.
4, How does the mother react to the hatchling's venom? Do her maternal instincts overpower her disgust? What role does the father play in the hatchling's life? Are wyverns monogamist and only stick to one mate unless it's killed? If it is and it's mate is killed, does it go through a grieving. And choose not to mate for a certain amount of time? Would it take revenge on whomever killed it's mate then grieve?
(Part of playing God is having a thorough understanding of the nature of the creatures I would be experimenting with)
You are wrong. Wyverns are capable of biting and clawing each other, but they have Damage Reduction overcome by Magic, but the natural attacks of Wyvern do not count as Magic, unlike Dragons and Drakes. Dragons and Drakes likewise have Damage Reduction Magic, but unlike Wyverns, their natural attacks count as Magic. Wyverns, even captive/tame ones, live much longer than Humans, they even live longer than Elves, however, they do not live as long as Drakes nor Dragons, not as naturally long that is. With magic, anything can live as long as or longer than Dragons and Drakes.
Just the first few seconds and all wyverns are dragons but not all dragons are wyvern, so skyrim dragons are still dragons, but also wyverns, like a pitbull is a dog.
EDIT: I hate this about d&d and it's teminology, but it's venom, not a poison.
All venom is poison not all poison is venom. "Venom is a specialised poison that has evolved for a specific purpose" and its injected via bite or sting unlike poison which is consumed,inhaled, or soaked through skin. They are indeed not the same thing however the terms are generally used interchangeably by normal everyday people.
Here’s a good way to tell apart dragons and wyverns
In D&D, they are completely separate species. Four legs vs two
In real life, a wyvern is a subclass of dragon that has specific characteristics such as only two legs and two wings
in... real life?
OnetastyJoe
Lol. I meant in myths and legends from real life
A difference between a dragon and a wyvern?
Wyverns are a main KFC ingredient
actually a wyvern a specific type of dragon outside of D&D mythos that is just a "Winged Two-Legged Dragon With A Barbed Tail"
Did he just say Scarce like Scarf? That's... not how that word is pronounced. It's pronounced like Scare, except with an s sound at the end, like Scare-ss
Monster manual….. Me: Eddie Munson Bard, imma Clap me a WYVERN shreds out, Iron Maidens Wasting Love 😘🖤
Wyvern eggs missions in Monster Hunter seem to make more sense now.
Spoiled Princess: "I WANT A RATHALOS! CAPTURE ONE ALIVE!"
I mean isn't that the best part?
I think you've confused wyvern's with manticor's the manticor's stinger is its main weapon and it doesn't like the smell of other manticor's stingers.....
What you said about wyverns not being dragons was straight up wrong, wyvern is simple a subset of the general term dragon. In the same way that a drake is another type of dragon.
0:19 UNTRUE. That distinction is only applicable in universes that specify so. These is no legitimate grounds for saying Skyrim and Game of Thrones do not have real dragons.
Wyverns need to be poisonous god dammit. It’s not the number of limbs that fucking classify a dragon
SOOO much info. I love it, brother. Keep it up
I would love for you to start a series of videos about the playable races when you finish this one
please do a video on Drakes, I'm planning on taming a wyvern someday in D&D and this video really helped me formulate a plan, but I'd also like to have a pet drake
so the monster's nightmare in how to train your dragon was a wyvern?
Omg I was just thinking this
Smaug from the hobbit has 2 legs. U aint gunna tell me hes a huge smart magical firebreathing wyvern right?
Just realized something you can do in the next, what the manual doesn't tell you about tiamat.
Wyverns don’t have to have wings instead of legs. It can have wings and legs but 2 wings and 2 legs.
If it doesn't have a barb or spade on its tail it's not a wyvern, regardless of limb arrangement.
i am very confused... is it poison? like venom is injected while poison is ingested. venom is safe to ingest.
Ppl keep perpetuating wyverns as separate from dragons even though actual dragon legends don't exclude alternate anatomies. I wish ppl would stop misinforming others by extending fantasy categories to actual definitions. IDK why ppl can't see the flaw in excluding wyvern shaped dragons while also including anything monster serpent like from Asia and America as dragons, but wyvern shaped dragons are more populous in historic depiction and legend than their modern fantasy specification.
I think if a whyvern has a stinger, should they and those without not be classed differently? The "wester dragons" then being split into 2 legged or 4 legged dragons. >.>
I have a somewhat hard time accepting that some of the dragons I have always viewed as dragons suddenly as wyvern. >.> Not to mention, if I told Angelus she is a wyvern... Scary.
Sometimes they act like birds or bats and some of them they walk on fours or twos.