There’s a story where some nobles are walking through a mansion on Terra, and there’s a big stone jutting out of the floor. It was the peak of Mt. Everest.
I just ran the math. Modern Tokyo has a population density of 6,402 people per square kilometer. At that level of density, the contiguous US could house about 50 billion people. Make it worse and add the entirety of Russia, and half a trillion is believable. On a planet with no oceans, that is definitely doable, space-wise. Resources would be a different story.
It's possible if you just imagine Terra being a veritable black hole of resources, not just of material needs but also of manpower, because almost every person under the Imperium wants to go on a pilgrimage to the birthplace of mankind and perhaps see a glimpse of the Emperor or His palace (not knowing not even their 7th generation grandchildren would have the possibility of even entering the Sol system, probably). All that corpse starch....yummers.
Oh, never mind Tokyo, when you apply the population density statistics of the Kowloon Walled City, hive cities become even more dystopianly feasible. Admittedly, the whole hive might not be set up in that fashion, but enough of it could be to allow for such horrendous overpopulation.
yup, resources - and heat dispersal.. You could fit all of humanity currently alive into a single cube of one kilometre side length, or into the area of Lake Constance (greatest lake of central/western Europe) if it was a dry, flat plane. That's surprisingly little space, especially in context of the impact we have on our ecosphere.
@@kai_plays_khomus 1km 3 = 1 trillion liters, and a human body occupies roughly 60-80 liters... so that's about 15 billion bodies... hell, if you shoved all of humanity into a 1km3 cube with zero gravity, you might even have room to swing your arms around given that humanity would occupy a little bit more than half that space.
@@TealWolf26 Nope it doesn't. 10-15% of Hive cities holding half a billion people doesn't constitute 80% of the population. There are a lot of planets which also hold billions of people and don't look like the Hive world. An example is the Fortress world (makes sense) or Shrine world (Shrine world really has a lot of people) or civilized world (which is the most common world holding billions of people and don't look like Hell hole)
To expand on something Kirioth touched upon, even though Hive Worlds only make up around 10 to 20% of Imperial worlds, they contain most of the human population. So even if the majority of Imperium worlds were actually pretty pleasant (which is a pretty big if), statistically speaking this hellish existence is the most common human experience.
My 2 favorite things about Hive Cities where when a Tau diplomat saw one and had and existential crisis as he realized that this single city had the equivalent to the *entire* Tau Empire housed in it. The other is when some was at the under-hive, I think itself Necromunda, his guide brought him to a pile of waste the size and height of a multi story building. The guide then grabbed a piece off and ate it before encouraging him to do so. The was tased better than anything he had beaten in a long time, let alone since arriving on the planet.
There is still multiple oceans worth of water on Terra. Its just that it has all been processed and recycled into potable water in massive reservoirs underground.
The democratic hive city is in Necromunda!! Gothrul's Needle is called. The wiki states "Gothrul's Needle is ruled by that most dangerous and pernicious of governmental forms: democracy. "
Recently reread Necropolis (the third Gaunt's Ghost novel) which takes place almost entirely within a Hive City called Vervunhive. And I distinctly remember a section where the leaders of Vervunhive were questioning how their enemy managed to muster a force in the millions, and then Gaunt realizes that they aren't fighting just the soldiers, but the entire population of a Hive City that turned to chaos. And the ludicrous scale of the battle and the destruction also stood out to me.
Am currently re-reading Necropolis too, can confirm. It's also one of the best examples ever of the "indomitable human spirit" in Imperial Guard writing. Lots of self-sacrificing heroism not just from the soldiers, but citizenry too. Good book in a Good series.
@@vegladex Larkin taking the mask off one of the enemy soldiers and going into a screaming fit realizeing he's likely just killed a horribly mutated child or something.
I have a headcanon for what happens to a person's body who dies in a Hive City. Vis a vis, their place in the wider supply chain. Imagine: A manufactorum worker has a heart attack on the assembly line, due to overwork, and keels over dead. His neighbors can't stop working, so they just have to keep at it until the overseers notice. When this happens, their body is dragged off the line by members of the Corpse-taker Guild. Workers in this guild also prowl the streets, and bang on hab-block walls shouting "bring out your dead!". Our poor line worker is strung up in a refrigerated meat wagon, his blood decanted into a drum as he and dozens of other dead people are moved to a base of the Flenser's Guild. The Corpse-takers pocket a fee for both removing bodies and delivering them, as well as for selling drums of blood to the Blood-Mealers Guild. (More on them in a minute). The Flensers proceed to do their job. Carefully partitioning the worker's body into its component parts. Representatives of a half dozen guilds are always on site to collect their due. Blood for the Blood-Mealers, to be rendered down into bloodmeal, a kind of fertilizer. Skin is flayed and supplied to the Tanners Guild, who either tans the hide into leather or stretches and treats it into parchment to supply the ever-hungry Administratum. Muscle and organs go to the Grinders Guild, who naturally grinds it all down and supplies it for processing as Corpse Starch (along with whatever slime and algae can be scraped off the walls to eventually make food). Hair is shaved and given to the Wig-Makers and Brush-Binders Guilds. The Water Guild finishes furiously arguing over percentages with every other guild, and sucks their allotment of the body's moisture. Most of the skeleton is given to the Bone-Mealers Guild, also for use as fertilizer. (Bonemeal, bloodmeal, feces, and urine from the city's sewage system ALL gets pumped onto the spaceships that brought food, for their return trip to the agri-worlds). The skull naturally goes to the Decorators Guild. (Where did you think the skulls piled inside alcoves on all the GW terrain came from? Not all of them are loyal Mechanicum servants used as Servo-skulls. Skulls are abundant, and the Imperium is a death cult. Of course they use skulls in ALL of their decorating). By the end, the poor line-worker's wife better have received a lock of his hair prior to his death. Because there is NOTHING left of her husband once everyone is done taking their due. Also understand that at every point in this journey, someone is getting "their cut", bribes are received, and Guild gangs have punch-ups and gunfights over territory and rights to pinkie toes. On the economies of scale Hives operate at, the loss of individual digits can represent enormous revenue and supply shortfalls if that pattern repeats often enough. (Hence why the Water Guild is so bellicose about getting every ounce of moisture they can get).
@@vegladexI'd suggest reading the dark heresy rpg book. The suggested setting for the beginner campaign and most of FFG's published campaign's is a hive called Desoleum which is pretty fleshed out down to cultural differences between the nobles, mid hivers, under hivers and sump dwellers. Desoleum itself operates on a weird system of oaths where people swear fealty to their direct superiors by exchanging cogs in Clockwork apparatus. The more important you are the bigger your cog with the planetary governor having one the size of a room. The rpg book goes inti the various guilds, how the various manufacturums have "bond gangs" that chase down people not turning up for work and how hours of work are used as currency, for example you can indebt yourself to a tap house or bar in exchange for time off from your job to enjoy some brief drinking and gambling
@@vegladex I'm imagining it now. First chapter, we're introduced to the line worker. It ends with them keeling over dead. The rest of the book follows the corpse as it's "processed" through a chain of different hands. Each character introduced gives us a window into a different guild, as each uses the poor man's corpse as a means of acquiring coin. Unfolding a complex web of guild politics. Before the climax of a dispute over water percentages spirals out into a full blown gang war. In the end, all the corpses left behind by the fighting are loaded into the Corpse-taker wagons, and the whole process begins again. And also the worker's wife finally comes home from work, and learns from the wife of one of her husband's coworkers that he died.
That is an amazing write-up of a corpse's journey after death, and fits so well into The Imperium's lore. So much bureaucracy and grim darkness, and the casual dehumanizing treatment of a human corpse, it's really nothing more but a simple resource. I imagine it'll be shot like the bullet scene in Lord of War.
This comment isn't even low on likes by this video's standard, and I still think it's underrated. You could be paraphrasing a private Games Workshop lore book and we would never know.
38:20 In the first Dawn Of Fire novel Avenging Son a scribe is trying to get to a high ranking Munitorum member with what she believes to be a dire prophecy from her copy of the Emperor's Tarot. She runs into a gang war between "Parchment Gangs" which are gangs of armed civilians whose primary criminal means is the theft, laundering and selling of truckloads of old parchment from different departments to new ones because Terra has a constant paper shortage to the point where people make a living off of stealing and selling it.
There's rich, and then there's "Rich enough to augment your body and buy a powerful enough powersuit to HUNT fucking GENESTEALERS for SPORT" There's a whole separate board game from GW literally all about how Genestealers and Space Marine Terminators are a roughly equal match for each other.
@@captainflapjax7240 The way Genestealer cults work is that there's one Tyrannid who is the Genestealer Patriarch and then everyone else is a genestealer/whatever hybrid. If you look at Malstrain Genestealers (like the actual kit) they have humanish heads, meaning they're hybrids, the equivalent of the Hybrid Metamorphs in a normal genestealer army
Now, in fairness, the point of Spacehulk is that Terminators and Genestealers are roughly equal... In the narrow confines and twisty passages of a Spacehulk. Even by the rules of Spacehulk, Terminators would wipe the floor with the Genestealers if they were in a big open room with no cover for the Genestealers to hide behind, instead of a bunch of corridors full of corners and with adjoining vents for the Generstealers to move through where Terminators can't follow. On the other hand, Genestealers are so ridiculously effective at those kinds of ambush tactics that when Genestealers have the opportunity to use them, Space Marines need Termie armour just to equal them.
I don't think they know Australia is the land down under even after singing land down under by man at work an Autralian band or you know how autralia is on the other side of the world. Conclusion: they toopid
I see two products of the American education system living up to our lack of expecations (they know nothing of the world outside their own US state) and a Brit who denies the existence of their penal colony! *Expecations met.* 🤣 Besides, Australia is not a real place. It's just propaganda spread to trick people into going to Catachan. 💀
First Isyander and Koda, now AdRic? Glad to see these shitholes get love. Ave Imperator Aeternum pls don’t kill me mister inquisitor monitoring my cogitator.
@@jadenthane7196 i'd absolutely love to see I&K work with ADRIC, that'd be so funny to watch. Also still waiting for a PancreasNoWork guest episode for Eldar lol
37:13 My idea for the water situation on Terra would be that they've incorporated all natural water bodies and sources into Terra's infrastructure so while they're still is 'some' water it's just held in gigantic cisterns and reservoirs hidden beneath the layers of infrastructure and urban sprawl. Then from there everything gets used, reused and recycled. Though I can absolutely imagine the idea of a water world whose only purpose is supplying potable water to Terra and other star systems.
13:21 GW are actually quite low on their numbers, someone calculated that 1 arcology every square mile that has the ability to produce its own food gives earth a population capacity of 100 QUADRILLION people, with the equivalent of a studio apartment to live in EACH as any closer living conditions would cause us to cook eachother alive with our own body heat.
@@Alzir-n9m highly efficient hydroponics with genetically modified, very high yield crops? as for general effect on population? probably not that different from living in very high-density areas like hong kong
A person only requires 1 square meter of growing space to meet their nutritional needs if it's used efficiently. There's also the burgeoning potential of lab/vat grown meats. Forgot to mention that each of these arcologies were cylindrical towers of 5k floors, partially underground and 500 meter diameter. That gives more than 1 mile between each of the towers that can be used for anything, growing bulk crops, parklands, wild forestry etc.
@@Alzir-n9m it probably helps that a Hive City's sum population density is probably not nearly as dense as a modern city like New York or Tokyo, with huge voids from there being nothing (old vent tunnels, radiation/chemical leaks killing everything, used for food production, etc.)
They COULD produce their own food, but the Imperium probably doesn't let them for the same reasons Stalin managed the economic productions of the Soviet Union. Two reasons: first, it allows centralized management to promote certain industries above others, and second, it keeps the "colonies" dependant on the central controlling power to enable their own survival, thus reducing the likelihood of rebellion!
The lower levels of Terra’s hive is dangerous that basically no one (except the custodis) can survive traveling through it. So I would assume no normal human has seen the real ground
The interesting thing is, at least from what I've read and listened to, because they don't ever get mentioned often, the lowest sections of a hive are so dangerous, at least in part, because things that at least used to be human do in fact live down there.
We getter get a proper video on Necromunda and the Malstrain. I desperately want to see DK's reaction to the knowledge that they're just knowingly keeping the Malstrain around because "theoretically" surely they can't become a long term problem.
want a tiny dash of extra lore? I know you do while not exactly a revelation, the hive cities are often built in specific clusters: This close(ish) proximity allows the hive cities to create massive systems that ferry resources between the hives, and in turn can create essentially planetry scale factories, with resources flowing from one place to be used in factories in the other A random example is from one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books in which heretic forces surprise attack a hive via the massive fuel pipes underground from an already destroyed hive
There is a side quest in the Rogue Trader CRPG where you can travel to a hive city on a planet that had it's star stolen like a week ago, so naturally it's all but abandoned or in the process of dying, but one thing that confused me about it is just how fast it started to freeze over from lack of a star. Sure on the surface it makes sense that with no star to heat the planet the planet would freeze and die. But the atmosphere on hive worlds are already so poisonous and inhospitable that hive cities are practically just as self-contained as a space station already, so I figure they wouldn't really be impacted all that much by the lack of a star.
Nah, they aren't designed to heat the entire complex to that extent. A star is basically the only heat energy source for every planet, it's like loosing your heating in the winter.
@fluffynator6222 depends on where your central heating comes from, but yeah, the surface would cool pretty quickly. Underground could stay warm for quite some time though.
I know Hive Primus in Necromunda has a heat sink running the height of the hive and far below the surface to use geothermal for energy/heat. They’d barely notice if the sun went out.
@@cappinjocj9316 Hive primus also has a fuel guild ensuring that factories and vehicles are supplied with promethium. I have to imagine that the hive visited by the player character in Rogue Trader would have something similar, which would mean that the hive produces heat?
When you think about it, I'm kinda surprised with how little people are in these hive cities. Even those INSANE numbers are kinda low when you consider that they have more space and don't care about really anything. GW statistical writing back at it again.
@@Masterbaiter69420LUL The Emperor had started a reclamation project that was well on its way to regenerating Terra's oceans. That work was all destroyed by the Siege and afterwards the work was abandoned as too expensive and impractical. I think they were literally controlled-crashing asteroids onto the planet to do it.
I still think that explanation is stupid. They’d just evaporate the water, it would just then rejoin the water cycle which would rain back down and create the ocean again. Even if the entire planet blew up in a fireball the oceans would still just evaporate and then turn into ice meteors.
Bricky doing so many Dracula flow memes is just gold, at this point i imagine all imperial nobles living in high spires as just fucking variations of Dracula Flow D
Landunder builds on the underside because if they built on the top it become top heavy and flip over. I think of ice worlds when I think of Landunder but I could see some other mechanism for floating land masses with enough buoyancy to support a city hanging from the bottom. But I expect the idea came form a bad acid trip...
Us getting transported to a hive city and eating their foods is like a peasant from the 7th century eating foods of the 21st century, just die instantly.
Food from the 20th century wouldn't be harmful for a peasant from the 7th century. All they ate was rotten grain with rat shit in it, and maybe a rat if you were lucky.
1:13:28 man i was listening to this with my phone off to the side out of my periphery and i was psychically transmitted the fucking senator palpatine meme, its always been there
Regarding the number of people in a hive city, the entirety of the earths population (around 7.5-8b) could stand shoulder to shoulder in an area the size of los angeles. If eveyone had the space " to dance freely" (weird metric i know) theyd fill an area the size of rhode island. Hive cities are roughly country to continent sized. And layered up miles hight. So multiple billions isnt out of the relm of possibility if a hive city could actually be built
I was thinking "Didn't they JUST do a hive city video? Is this a re-upload?" And then I realized it was the OTHER 40k podcast with a complete newb to 40K being taught by someone well versed in 40K lore. I always found it funny they both have the same damn premise for a podcast and both shows are very funny. I'm a huge fan of both!
@jessedenton2561 I am to I was only joshing these guys, Koda and DK are so different in reactions even if both channels do the same content, it's a very different show. Plus Bricky and Isyander are also extremely different personalities.
there is another reverse build Hive planet but it is because the surface is way too cold, so the richer people live closer to the core where it is warmer.
"It is indeed that time of the month because Kirioth is here...." So Kirioth is essentially D.K's period? Or is he the period for all Adeptus Rediculous? I need answers!
@@hazardousmaterial5492 You could argue "that time of the month" could theoretically feed all chaos gods. Blood = Khorne, Periode cramps = suffering = slaanesh, it´s a repeating cycle, therefore change and the decay of the uterine lining feeds nurgle. The conclusion women are part of chaos undivided.
the hive city the gantry is wild it was sunken underground in an earthquake and dangles from steel wires in a cavern over a sump river, its ruled by gangs and looks so cool in the art
1:13:30 It's not like democracy is prohibited in the Imperium, that's what the High Lords of Terra are, the Triarchs and senate of Ultramar, the Iron Hands Iron Council, etc...
Somewhat democratic Hive-city is (or was) Vervunhive from Gaunt's Ghosts: Necropolis. As far as I remember, It was ruled by a parliament with Lower (where regular people could make their opinions known) and Upper(where 9 noble families actually make decisions) Chambers with elected Governor(from one of the noble families). Also, Tanith itself could have been democracy. Governor position was called Elector and its said that legendary Nalsheen forest-warriors overthrown Tanith's Tyrants long ago
I remember reading somewhere that the tip it mount Everest is in the imperial palace so for scale form the depth of the Marianas trench all the way to Mount Everest and higher is the imperial palace I wonder if the Bermuda triangle part of Tara is were psykers are born.
is there enough lore on materials to do an episode on them? living metal, wraithbone, auramite, ceramite, adamantium, rockcrete, etc? like how they're produced, what they are, and what they're used for?
Yep, more humans in hives than there are stars in the Milkyway, at least 2500 humans each from my math. 1 million worlds, 10% are hive worlds, 1000 hives per world, 1 billion souls per hive, 400 billion stars.
Terra doesn't have hive cities, at least to my knowledge. It is, and this is one of my favorite words, an ecumenopolis. The planet is a single city. On Holy Terra, the only city limits are the Imperial Palace itself. You can walk the equator and never leave the hive.
Love how Kirioth made the Red Dwarf reference just as I was thinking about it. I also love the line from the same show "We've recycled the water so much it's beginning to taste like Dutch lager."
BEST EPISODE EVER!!!! Kirioth episodes are the best!!!! Amazing chemistry all four of you. 10 out of 10. I listen to Leutin often and he was like a 5 or 6 out of ten. NO OTHER guest have been worth a single damn other than Kirioth and Leutin. Actually we need bo one ever except Kirioth!!!!
36:54 Whenever I see a setting say "We drained the oceans, Earth has no oceans anymore", I always want to grab the writer and ask WHERE THEY WENT. The amount of water in Earth's oceans is mind-boggling, and all of it wouldn't just disappear, it has to go somewhere!
Chemically speaking, water is water, no matter if it is recycled by human or by nature. Only differences can occur in ions (assuming that water is drinkable, not distilled only or has bacteria/viruses or other impurities)
I am so delighted we have finally gotten an episode scratching the surface of necromunda! There is so much more to unpack and I hope you all dive deeper
This ep got me down a bit. Back in the day if there was a number that seemed too big, too small or whatever, the response was to come up with creative ways for how it could maybe work anyway, and only as a last resort would be the okay that's dumb let's move on or y'know just blame Matt Ward or whoever. That was how we got the wonderful analysis of why the Imperium doesn't use asteroids to nuke planets, or 'Rocks are not 'free' citizen'. Instead here it's the first resort to just go 'hurr durr GW is dumb'. I still like the insane scale of 40k as it sells just how long, vast, and how mind-bendingly deep the time of 40,000 years would be, and the failed state of humanity it has resulted in. It's what sets it apart from other sci-fi settings like Star Wars or Trek. I'm now thinking that Douglas Adams wonderful rant about how mind boggingly big space is in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy should be required reading before getting into 40k.
Ehh, it's more the inconsistency. Like when they calculated how often they would be able to fire and it was 45min. We like big numbers, they just can't be stupid
38:00 a lot of 40K only makes sense if you assume super efficient air and water recycling technology, along with hydroponics and tube grown protein. In my head cannon hive worlds only have to import water and food to make up for the biomass of the people they ship off to the imperial guard.
Ecumenopolises like Terra probably don't need to inport nearly as much water as you think. The ISS, built with 20th century technology, imports almost no water at all. By the time sewage passes through a modern municipal treatment plant, it's pottable water again! That's how good we are at recycling water! Now we can assume that Terra is going to loose water through evaporation and hydrogen leaching from the upper atmosphere, as well as any export products containing water, but with some blessings from the Omnisiah, and careful maintenance of the treatment facilities, it's not a problem at all!
Technically speaking, there arent any records of Chaos breaking out on hive cities. It has never happened, because Chaos doesnt exist. Technically speaking.
So, i know what you MEAN, but I'm picturing the Horus heresy ending with "Horus... My son... It was just a prank. There are no gods, my child. There's a camera right there"
1:05:04 I think the cities were built on the underside because building on top of the continent wouldn't allow for proper anchoring, but by building under the continent the cities are able to use buoyancy from the oceans to keep them securely attached he'd to the continent, they can now also build to make the anchor needed to build up.
The truly impressive thing is that these population figures are often less than a tenth of what you'd expect realistically. Re Terra's water supply, Bricky stumbled on the answer without realising. The water is in the system (and people) and constantly cycled through it (and them).
Would love tp see a follow-up episode where you talk about the different gangs on Necromunda! And maybe Kiripth can show some lf the whacky hanger-on charactets as well!
I read in one of the heresy era books that the peak of everest is like a big boulder sticking out of a metal ground. This being located Miles below the "surface". It'd be safe to say that terra has grown at least 30% in size
Water: During the Unification Wars one of the faction leaders (Minister Zu, don’t recall which polity) sold (stole?) the last ocean on Terra, earning her a death sentence from the Emperor - who oddly enough was generally otherwise willing to ally with a potential rival, but she got a hard death sentence instead. It’s mostly covered in Master of Mankind (iirc).
32:25 Fun fact: Assuming people start major colonization from Earth by the year 20 000, humanity would have to remove ~1.8 quadrillion liters of water (So an average lake) each day
I will say, this reminds me of how a friend of mine's setting Mortasheen is basically a hive city except things are pretty good for the people living there. Not because it's not a polluted warped nightmare, but because everyone's adapted to it over millions of years to the point where all the ecological disasters and warped nightmares of science ended up cancelling each other out into something resembling a functional ecosystem Tho despite the fact they're mostly grotesque mutant/posthuman mad scientists, the inhabitants actually pretty nice to purestrain humans if they can survive the city, tho they think they're a bit off their rocker for not mutating themselves.
I hope Kirioth does a video on civilized worlds. He starts by explaining how these planets still have natural forests and oceans, the skies aren't yet choked with smog of continent sized factories, and aren't a bad place to live. Then right when Bricky and DK start to lose the cynicism and like the sound of these planets, he pulls out a list of civilized worlds that show up in lore just to get destroyed by chaos/tyranids/orks/Imperium. Life on these worlds is peaceful, but that can change at any moment.
My 'theory' as to why they built upside down on Landunder is that they didn't want any of the land masses to become unstable, or maybe even capsize, so they built the cities underneath the waterline in order to keep the centre of gravity below the water. Like how big ships have a keel made of iron or lead so they don't flip over easily.
There’s a story where some nobles are walking through a mansion on Terra, and there’s a big stone jutting out of the floor. It was the peak of Mt. Everest.
That's the imperial palace since it was built in the Himalayas, that noble was probably atop like kilimanjaro or sumptin
Probably not Everest well unless that Noble lives in the Imperial Palace since the Entire Imperial Palace is built in the Himalayan mountain range
Unless it's supposed to be a piece of Mt. Everest that was hacked off and put there as a display piece instead of actually being where it normally is
@@gohunt001-5 indeed.. the Himalayas were flattened to make room for the palace.. so it could very well be a remnant of Mt Everest or K2
This is why you have to be careful about lore content on RUclips. People just say shit
I want to congratulate Shy on her restraint to not show Cleveland through this episode once.
Cleveland 'wishes' it had a standard of living like that of a hive city.
A hive city no matter how screwy is still a functioning city….Cleveland is not…
I just ran the math. Modern Tokyo has a population density of 6,402 people per square kilometer. At that level of density, the contiguous US could house about 50 billion people. Make it worse and add the entirety of Russia, and half a trillion is believable. On a planet with no oceans, that is definitely doable, space-wise. Resources would be a different story.
Thousands of years of industrialization and zero fucks about the natural environment would do it.
It's possible if you just imagine Terra being a veritable black hole of resources, not just of material needs but also of manpower, because almost every person under the Imperium wants to go on a pilgrimage to the birthplace of mankind and perhaps see a glimpse of the Emperor or His palace (not knowing not even their 7th generation grandchildren would have the possibility of even entering the Sol system, probably).
All that corpse starch....yummers.
Oh, never mind Tokyo, when you apply the population density statistics of the Kowloon Walled City, hive cities become even more dystopianly feasible. Admittedly, the whole hive might not be set up in that fashion, but enough of it could be to allow for such horrendous overpopulation.
yup, resources - and heat dispersal..
You could fit all of humanity currently alive into a single cube of one kilometre side length, or into the area of Lake Constance (greatest lake of central/western Europe) if it was a dry, flat plane.
That's surprisingly little space, especially in context of the impact we have on our ecosphere.
@@kai_plays_khomus 1km 3 = 1 trillion liters, and a human body occupies roughly 60-80 liters... so that's about 15 billion bodies... hell, if you shoved all of humanity into a 1km3 cube with zero gravity, you might even have room to swing your arms around given that humanity would occupy a little bit more than half that space.
I remember reading a statistic that while only 10-15% of planets are hive worlds, 80% of the entire human population lives on those.
Do most of the hive worlds pay their tithes via recruits then? Because their most numerous resource is mortal lives
Makes sense. It's just like the city/rural split. Just where those cities are planets.
@@TealWolf26 Nope it doesn't. 10-15% of Hive cities holding half a billion people doesn't constitute 80% of the population. There are a lot of planets which also hold billions of people and don't look like the Hive world. An example is the Fortress world (makes sense) or Shrine world (Shrine world really has a lot of people) or civilized world (which is the most common world holding billions of people and don't look like Hell hole)
To expand on something Kirioth touched upon, even though Hive Worlds only make up around 10 to 20% of Imperial worlds, they contain most of the human population. So even if the majority of Imperium worlds were actually pretty pleasant (which is a pretty big if), statistically speaking this hellish existence is the most common human experience.
Yeah, like 80% of the population lives on those 10-20% of planets.
My 2 favorite things about Hive Cities where when a Tau diplomat saw one and had and existential crisis as he realized that this single city had the equivalent to the *entire* Tau Empire housed in it. The other is when some was at the under-hive, I think itself Necromunda, his guide brought him to a pile of waste the size and height of a multi story building. The guide then grabbed a piece off and ate it before encouraging him to do so. The was tased better than anything he had beaten in a long time, let alone since arriving on the planet.
You watched the Weshammer video too huh? Yeah a Pile of shit tasting fantastic sounds something out of the ordinary
@@ryanadams0922I no longer wish to live on this planet.
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@@ryanadams0922Is it actually a pole of feces? Hope not.
Like the entire Tau Empire? I was thinking "only" a entire Sept?
There is still multiple oceans worth of water on Terra. Its just that it has all been processed and recycled into potable water in massive reservoirs underground.
The democratic hive city is in Necromunda!! Gothrul's Needle is called. The wiki states "Gothrul's Needle is ruled by that most dangerous and pernicious of governmental forms: democracy. "
If it was a Genestealer cult then every arm gets a vote.
democracy is the will of the people. But people are fucking stupid.
36:11 the oceans are all in pipes inside the cities, filtered pure in ages long past and constantly recycled through the city.
Recently reread Necropolis (the third Gaunt's Ghost novel) which takes place almost entirely within a Hive City called Vervunhive. And I distinctly remember a section where the leaders of Vervunhive were questioning how their enemy managed to muster a force in the millions, and then Gaunt realizes that they aren't fighting just the soldiers, but the entire population of a Hive City that turned to chaos. And the ludicrous scale of the battle and the destruction also stood out to me.
Am currently re-reading Necropolis too, can confirm. It's also one of the best examples ever of the "indomitable human spirit" in Imperial Guard writing. Lots of self-sacrificing heroism not just from the soldiers, but citizenry too. Good book in a Good series.
@@vegladex Larkin taking the mask off one of the enemy soldiers and going into a screaming fit realizeing he's likely just killed a horribly mutated child or something.
I have a headcanon for what happens to a person's body who dies in a Hive City. Vis a vis, their place in the wider supply chain.
Imagine: A manufactorum worker has a heart attack on the assembly line, due to overwork, and keels over dead. His neighbors can't stop working, so they just have to keep at it until the overseers notice. When this happens, their body is dragged off the line by members of the Corpse-taker Guild. Workers in this guild also prowl the streets, and bang on hab-block walls shouting "bring out your dead!". Our poor line worker is strung up in a refrigerated meat wagon, his blood decanted into a drum as he and dozens of other dead people are moved to a base of the Flenser's Guild. The Corpse-takers pocket a fee for both removing bodies and delivering them, as well as for selling drums of blood to the Blood-Mealers Guild. (More on them in a minute).
The Flensers proceed to do their job. Carefully partitioning the worker's body into its component parts. Representatives of a half dozen guilds are always on site to collect their due. Blood for the Blood-Mealers, to be rendered down into bloodmeal, a kind of fertilizer. Skin is flayed and supplied to the Tanners Guild, who either tans the hide into leather or stretches and treats it into parchment to supply the ever-hungry Administratum. Muscle and organs go to the Grinders Guild, who naturally grinds it all down and supplies it for processing as Corpse Starch (along with whatever slime and algae can be scraped off the walls to eventually make food). Hair is shaved and given to the Wig-Makers and Brush-Binders Guilds.
The Water Guild finishes furiously arguing over percentages with every other guild, and sucks their allotment of the body's moisture. Most of the skeleton is given to the Bone-Mealers Guild, also for use as fertilizer. (Bonemeal, bloodmeal, feces, and urine from the city's sewage system ALL gets pumped onto the spaceships that brought food, for their return trip to the agri-worlds). The skull naturally goes to the Decorators Guild. (Where did you think the skulls piled inside alcoves on all the GW terrain came from? Not all of them are loyal Mechanicum servants used as Servo-skulls. Skulls are abundant, and the Imperium is a death cult. Of course they use skulls in ALL of their decorating).
By the end, the poor line-worker's wife better have received a lock of his hair prior to his death. Because there is NOTHING left of her husband once everyone is done taking their due. Also understand that at every point in this journey, someone is getting "their cut", bribes are received, and Guild gangs have punch-ups and gunfights over territory and rights to pinkie toes. On the economies of scale Hives operate at, the loss of individual digits can represent enormous revenue and supply shortfalls if that pattern repeats often enough. (Hence why the Water Guild is so bellicose about getting every ounce of moisture they can get).
I would actually read a whole Black Library novel based on this.
@@vegladexI'd suggest reading the dark heresy rpg book. The suggested setting for the beginner campaign and most of FFG's published campaign's is a hive called Desoleum which is pretty fleshed out down to cultural differences between the nobles, mid hivers, under hivers and sump dwellers. Desoleum itself operates on a weird system of oaths where people swear fealty to their direct superiors by exchanging cogs in Clockwork apparatus. The more important you are the bigger your cog with the planetary governor having one the size of a room. The rpg book goes inti the various guilds, how the various manufacturums have "bond gangs" that chase down people not turning up for work and how hours of work are used as currency, for example you can indebt yourself to a tap house or bar in exchange for time off from your job to enjoy some brief drinking and gambling
@@vegladex I'm imagining it now. First chapter, we're introduced to the line worker. It ends with them keeling over dead. The rest of the book follows the corpse as it's "processed" through a chain of different hands. Each character introduced gives us a window into a different guild, as each uses the poor man's corpse as a means of acquiring coin. Unfolding a complex web of guild politics. Before the climax of a dispute over water percentages spirals out into a full blown gang war.
In the end, all the corpses left behind by the fighting are loaded into the Corpse-taker wagons, and the whole process begins again. And also the worker's wife finally comes home from work, and learns from the wife of one of her husband's coworkers that he died.
That is an amazing write-up of a corpse's journey after death, and fits so well into The Imperium's lore. So much bureaucracy and grim darkness, and the casual dehumanizing treatment of a human corpse, it's really nothing more but a simple resource.
I imagine it'll be shot like the bullet scene in Lord of War.
This comment isn't even low on likes by this video's standard, and I still think it's underrated. You could be paraphrasing a private Games Workshop lore book and we would never know.
38:20 In the first Dawn Of Fire novel Avenging Son a scribe is trying to get to a high ranking Munitorum member with what she believes to be a dire prophecy from her copy of the Emperor's Tarot.
She runs into a gang war between "Parchment Gangs" which are gangs of armed civilians whose primary criminal means is the theft, laundering and selling of truckloads of old parchment from different departments to new ones because Terra has a constant paper shortage to the point where people make a living off of stealing and selling it.
There's rich, and then there's "Rich enough to augment your body and buy a powerful enough powersuit to HUNT fucking GENESTEALERS for SPORT"
There's a whole separate board game from GW literally all about how Genestealers and Space Marine Terminators are a roughly equal match for each other.
They're genestealer cultists, not genestealer genestealers
@pandoragoldspan7012 I thought they were hunting the Malstrains?
@@captainflapjax7240 The way Genestealer cults work is that there's one Tyrannid who is the Genestealer Patriarch and then everyone else is a genestealer/whatever hybrid. If you look at Malstrain Genestealers (like the actual kit) they have humanish heads, meaning they're hybrids, the equivalent of the Hybrid Metamorphs in a normal genestealer army
Now, in fairness, the point of Spacehulk is that Terminators and Genestealers are roughly equal... In the narrow confines and twisty passages of a Spacehulk.
Even by the rules of Spacehulk, Terminators would wipe the floor with the Genestealers if they were in a big open room with no cover for the Genestealers to hide behind, instead of a bunch of corridors full of corners and with adjoining vents for the Generstealers to move through where Terminators can't follow.
On the other hand, Genestealers are so ridiculously effective at those kinds of ambush tactics that when Genestealers have the opportunity to use them, Space Marines need Termie armour just to equal them.
I can't believe they didn't make any Australia jokes about the inverted world. The place is literally a joke about Australia.
I don't think they know Australia is the land down under even after singing land down under by man at work an Autralian band or you know how autralia is on the other side of the world.
Conclusion: they toopid
I see two products of the American education system living up to our lack of expecations (they know nothing of the world outside their own US state) and a Brit who denies the existence of their penal colony!
*Expecations met.* 🤣
Besides, Australia is not a real place. It's just propaganda spread to trick people into going to Catachan. 💀
First Isyander and Koda, now AdRic? Glad to see these shitholes get love. Ave Imperator Aeternum pls don’t kill me mister inquisitor monitoring my cogitator.
The 2 of those should work with AR sometime
@@jadenthane7196 i'd absolutely love to see I&K work with ADRIC, that'd be so funny to watch.
Also still waiting for a PancreasNoWork guest episode for Eldar lol
I hope you can do an episode for other type of Imperial Worlds: Shrine, Feral, Medieval, Pleasure, Forge Worlds and so on.
@@Dracobyte Water World.
Disney
Forge Worlds are allready done.
@@vokkera6995 Sorry but 40k does not include diddling
@@Oroberus Except among Druckary and Slaanesh cults.
Hive city resident: This is my town, these are (not) my people.
37:13 My idea for the water situation on Terra would be that they've incorporated all natural water bodies and sources into Terra's infrastructure so while they're still is 'some' water it's just held in gigantic cisterns and reservoirs hidden beneath the layers of infrastructure and urban sprawl. Then from there everything gets used, reused and recycled. Though I can absolutely imagine the idea of a water world whose only purpose is supplying potable water to Terra and other star systems.
13:21 GW are actually quite low on their numbers, someone calculated that 1 arcology every square mile that has the ability to produce its own food gives earth a population capacity of 100 QUADRILLION people, with the equivalent of a studio apartment to live in EACH as any closer living conditions would cause us to cook eachother alive with our own body heat.
How on earth would you be able to reliably produce enough food and just general living effects for such a population though?
@@Alzir-n9m highly efficient hydroponics with genetically modified, very high yield crops?
as for general effect on population? probably not that different from living in very high-density areas like hong kong
A person only requires 1 square meter of growing space to meet their nutritional needs if it's used efficiently. There's also the burgeoning potential of lab/vat grown meats.
Forgot to mention that each of these arcologies were cylindrical towers of 5k floors, partially underground and 500 meter diameter. That gives more than 1 mile between each of the towers that can be used for anything, growing bulk crops, parklands, wild forestry etc.
@@Alzir-n9m it probably helps that a Hive City's sum population density is probably not nearly as dense as a modern city like New York or Tokyo, with huge voids from there being nothing (old vent tunnels, radiation/chemical leaks killing everything, used for food production, etc.)
They COULD produce their own food, but the Imperium probably doesn't let them for the same reasons Stalin managed the economic productions of the Soviet Union. Two reasons: first, it allows centralized management to promote certain industries above others, and second, it keeps the "colonies" dependant on the central controlling power to enable their own survival, thus reducing the likelihood of rebellion!
Fun Fact: a city planet like Terra or Coruscant is called an “ecumenopolis”.
they never played Stellaris
40:10 Necromunda has this for you, they are called the Water Guild and they even have minis that look awesome
The lower levels of Terra’s hive is dangerous that basically no one (except the custodis) can survive traveling through it. So I would assume no normal human has seen the real ground
You can see the peak of everest in one specific place
@ as far as I remember big Es palace is built on top of the Himalayan mountains. So still no normal human
The interesting thing is, at least from what I've read and listened to, because they don't ever get mentioned often, the lowest sections of a hive are so dangerous, at least in part, because things that at least used to be human do in fact live down there.
Ragnar Blackmane did so as well.
Why would the Mechanicus limit water reclamation from humans to criminals?
the moment when you realize all the horrors that chaos commits is chaos just trying to keep up with the imperium of man and Big E.
We getter get a proper video on Necromunda and the Malstrain. I desperately want to see DK's reaction to the knowledge that they're just knowingly keeping the Malstrain around because "theoretically" surely they can't become a long term problem.
The malstrain actively terrifies hive fleets.
Necromunda has a Water Guild, that does extract water out of corpses.
want a tiny dash of extra lore? I know you do
while not exactly a revelation, the hive cities are often built in specific clusters: This close(ish) proximity allows the hive cities to create massive systems that ferry resources between the hives, and in turn can create essentially planetry scale factories, with resources flowing from one place to be used in factories in the other
A random example is from one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books in which heretic forces surprise attack a hive via the massive fuel pipes underground from an already destroyed hive
There is a side quest in the Rogue Trader CRPG where you can travel to a hive city on a planet that had it's star stolen like a week ago, so naturally it's all but abandoned or in the process of dying, but one thing that confused me about it is just how fast it started to freeze over from lack of a star. Sure on the surface it makes sense that with no star to heat the planet the planet would freeze and die. But the atmosphere on hive worlds are already so poisonous and inhospitable that hive cities are practically just as self-contained as a space station already, so I figure they wouldn't really be impacted all that much by the lack of a star.
Nah, they aren't designed to heat the entire complex to that extent. A star is basically the only heat energy source for every planet, it's like loosing your heating in the winter.
@fluffynator6222 depends on where your central heating comes from, but yeah, the surface would cool pretty quickly. Underground could stay warm for quite some time though.
I know Hive Primus in Necromunda has a heat sink running the height of the hive and far below the surface to use geothermal for energy/heat. They’d barely notice if the sun went out.
@@cappinjocj9316 EXACTLY! that's what I'm saying.
@@cappinjocj9316 Hive primus also has a fuel guild ensuring that factories and vehicles are supplied with promethium. I have to imagine that the hive visited by the player character in Rogue Trader would have something similar, which would mean that the hive produces heat?
When you think about it, I'm kinda surprised with how little people are in these hive cities. Even those INSANE numbers are kinda low when you consider that they have more space and don't care about really anything. GW statistical writing back at it again.
Terra = gold plated hive world with benefits.
and paying rent even if you live in the underhive :p
I know it's just a coincidence, but I always enjoy when AdRic and Lysander & Koda do the same subject back to back.
Terra lost its oceans or what remained of them when the siege of Terra occurred, they bombed the planet so much that it cooked the oceans
No! The ocean's where gone before the reunification war.
@@Masterbaiter69420LUL The Emperor had started a reclamation project that was well on its way to regenerating Terra's oceans. That work was all destroyed by the Siege and afterwards the work was abandoned as too expensive and impractical. I think they were literally controlled-crashing asteroids onto the planet to do it.
I still think that explanation is stupid. They’d just evaporate the water, it would just then rejoin the water cycle which would rain back down and create the ocean again. Even if the entire planet blew up in a fireball the oceans would still just evaporate and then turn into ice meteors.
42:01 the ad-mech made me immune to toxins … so that I can filter polluted water through my kidneys 😬
Bricky doing so many Dracula flow memes is just gold, at this point i imagine all imperial nobles living in high spires as just fucking variations of Dracula Flow D
Landunder builds on the underside because if they built on the top it become top heavy and flip over. I think of ice worlds when I think of Landunder but I could see some other mechanism for floating land masses with enough buoyancy to support a city hanging from the bottom. But I expect the idea came form a bad acid trip...
Us getting transported to a hive city and eating their foods is like a peasant from the 7th century eating foods of the 21st century, just die instantly.
And then you get turned into that food. Such is the circle of life!
Food from the 20th century wouldn't be harmful for a peasant from the 7th century. All they ate was rotten grain with rat shit in it, and maybe a rat if you were lucky.
@@AliceBowiethat's...not...at all what they ate.
It’s been said before and I’ll repeat it: “The worst place to live in that the British can imagine is just Latin America.”
I could see the rio area being a hive city in 40k, yeah.
1:13:28 man i was listening to this with my phone off to the side out of my periphery and i was psychically transmitted the fucking senator palpatine meme, its always been there
Regarding the number of people in a hive city, the entirety of the earths population (around 7.5-8b) could stand shoulder to shoulder in an area the size of los angeles. If eveyone had the space " to dance freely" (weird metric i know) theyd fill an area the size of rhode island. Hive cities are roughly country to continent sized. And layered up miles hight. So multiple billions isnt out of the relm of possibility if a hive city could actually be built
According to a buddy of mine the boeing warehouse in everett washington can get rain clouds or at least used to
Wow right after Isyander and Koda 2.5 hour hive city video, picking on the Little guys who just want a Ziggurat in Alaska.
I was thinking "Didn't they JUST do a hive city video? Is this a re-upload?" And then I realized it was the OTHER 40k podcast with a complete newb to 40K being taught by someone well versed in 40K lore. I always found it funny they both have the same damn premise for a podcast and both shows are very funny. I'm a huge fan of both!
@jessedenton2561 I am to I was only joshing these guys, Koda and DK are so different in reactions even if both channels do the same content, it's a very different show. Plus Bricky and Isyander are also extremely different personalities.
Shoot I have something in common with someone, what do I do next?
Only the *most* based watch both.
@Coralnstuff quick play victim like a certain Australian guy!
there is another reverse build Hive planet but it is because the surface is way too cold, so the richer people live closer to the core where it is warmer.
"It is indeed that time of the month because Kirioth is here...." So Kirioth is essentially D.K's period? Or is he the period for all Adeptus Rediculous? I need answers!
Do you think that women's "that time of the month" makes Khorne more powerful?
@@hazardousmaterial5492 You could argue "that time of the month" could theoretically feed all chaos gods. Blood = Khorne, Periode cramps = suffering = slaanesh, it´s a repeating cycle, therefore change and the decay of the uterine lining feeds nurgle. The conclusion women are part of chaos undivided.
the hive city the gantry is wild it was sunken underground in an earthquake and dangles from steel wires in a cavern over a sump river, its ruled by gangs and looks so cool in the art
1:13:30 It's not like democracy is prohibited in the Imperium, that's what the High Lords of Terra are, the Triarchs and senate of Ultramar, the Iron Hands Iron Council, etc...
The democracy hive you mentioned is on Necromunda. I think it's on the other side of planet to the Palatine Cluster.
Necromunda Necromunda Necromunda gangs!!!!! Or some kind of Necromunda dedicated videos
Somewhat democratic Hive-city is (or was) Vervunhive from Gaunt's Ghosts: Necropolis. As far as I remember, It was ruled by a parliament with Lower (where regular people could make their opinions known) and Upper(where 9 noble families actually make decisions) Chambers with elected Governor(from one of the noble families).
Also, Tanith itself could have been democracy. Governor position was called Elector and its said that legendary Nalsheen forest-warriors overthrown Tanith's Tyrants long ago
Thank you for posting
"There are no oceans" does not mean "no water". The water is just recycled and contained.
I remember reading somewhere that the tip it mount Everest is in the imperial palace so for scale form the depth of the Marianas trench all the way to Mount Everest and higher is the imperial palace I wonder if the Bermuda triangle part of Tara is were psykers are born.
is there enough lore on materials to do an episode on them?
living metal, wraithbone, auramite, ceramite, adamantium, rockcrete, etc? like how they're produced, what they are, and what they're used for?
I DID IT IT TOOK OVER A YEAR I have finally caught up to the current episode let’s fuckin gooooo
The name for what Terra is, is a ecumenopolis
This! It's a little frustrating no one remembers the concept. Have none of them played Stellaris?
Finally, the Cleveland episode.
16:55 that one hurt, that one definitely hurt...I could feel the awkwardness all the way down in South Africa
This episode should’ve been on Earth Day as a reminder of how hard we can really fuck up our planet. Or any planet for that matter.
Yep, more humans in hives than there are stars in the Milkyway, at least 2500 humans each from my math. 1 million worlds, 10% are hive worlds, 1000 hives per world, 1 billion souls per hive, 400 billion stars.
Finally we get a mention of Spyrer hunters! Yay!
Terra doesn't have hive cities, at least to my knowledge. It is, and this is one of my favorite words, an ecumenopolis. The planet is a single city. On Holy Terra, the only city limits are the Imperial Palace itself. You can walk the equator and never leave the hive.
with few exceptions like the Navigator Enclave or the polar Inquisition Base.
@kinagrill good point
The oceans of earth boiled away during the age of strife....
While that's true, its bizarre bc that doesn't take it out of the atmosphere
33:40 I think Terra is one of the most miserable worlds to live on in the Imperium, the population there have a 1000 yard stare and grayish skin.
Love how Kirioth made the Red Dwarf reference just as I was thinking about it. I also love the line from the same show "We've recycled the water so much it's beginning to taste like Dutch lager."
Shout out to Kirioth. What a top bloke.
yeah those posters look pretty great
My gangs got what it takes. Butcher’s got plenty, cutter’s got plenty.
BEST EPISODE EVER!!!!
Kirioth episodes are the best!!!!
Amazing chemistry all four of you. 10 out of 10. I listen to Leutin often and he was like a 5 or 6 out of ten.
NO OTHER guest have been worth a single damn other than Kirioth and Leutin.
Actually we need bo one ever except Kirioth!!!!
36:54 Whenever I see a setting say "We drained the oceans, Earth has no oceans anymore", I always want to grab the writer and ask WHERE THEY WENT. The amount of water in Earth's oceans is mind-boggling, and all of it wouldn't just disappear, it has to go somewhere!
Chemically speaking, water is water, no matter if it is recycled by human or by nature. Only differences can occur in ions (assuming that water is drinkable, not distilled only or has bacteria/viruses or other impurities)
I am so delighted we have finally gotten an episode scratching the surface of necromunda! There is so much more to unpack and I hope you all dive deeper
This ep got me down a bit. Back in the day if there was a number that seemed too big, too small or whatever, the response was to come up with creative ways for how it could maybe work anyway, and only as a last resort would be the okay that's dumb let's move on or y'know just blame Matt Ward or whoever. That was how we got the wonderful analysis of why the Imperium doesn't use asteroids to nuke planets, or 'Rocks are not 'free' citizen'.
Instead here it's the first resort to just go 'hurr durr GW is dumb'.
I still like the insane scale of 40k as it sells just how long, vast, and how mind-bendingly deep the time of 40,000 years would be, and the failed state of humanity it has resulted in. It's what sets it apart from other sci-fi settings like Star Wars or Trek.
I'm now thinking that Douglas Adams wonderful rant about how mind boggingly big space is in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy should be required reading before getting into 40k.
Ehh, it's more the inconsistency. Like when they calculated how often they would be able to fire and it was 45min. We like big numbers, they just can't be stupid
The ping pong you guys do with Isander and Koda makes me happy
Closest probably to a Hive City experience in earth was probably the Kowloon Walled Citt that was demolished in the 90's in Hong Kong.
1:18:35 Did he just doxed himself? Or did Shy?
38:00 a lot of 40K only makes sense if you assume super efficient air and water recycling technology, along with hydroponics and tube grown protein. In my head cannon hive worlds only have to import water and food to make up for the biomass of the people they ship off to the imperial guard.
Ecumenopolises like Terra probably don't need to inport nearly as much water as you think. The ISS, built with 20th century technology, imports almost no water at all. By the time sewage passes through a modern municipal treatment plant, it's pottable water again! That's how good we are at recycling water!
Now we can assume that Terra is going to loose water through evaporation and hydrogen leaching from the upper atmosphere, as well as any export products containing water, but with some blessings from the Omnisiah, and careful maintenance of the treatment facilities, it's not a problem at all!
"they aren't margaritas... that's urine recyc...
😂
Hm. Only days after Isyander and Koda's hive city episode?
HMMMMM
Future guest stars, perhaps?
I don't think I've ever bought something so fast
Still not a fan of how the outro music ends, I keep worrying that I'm having a technical fault
Bruh, Isyanders face rn 💀
Technically speaking, there arent any records of Chaos breaking out on hive cities. It has never happened, because Chaos doesnt exist. Technically speaking.
So, i know what you MEAN, but I'm picturing the Horus heresy ending with "Horus... My son... It was just a prank. There are no gods, my child. There's a camera right there"
@ayanleman New headcannon, that's actually why he wanted Russ to bring Magnus back to Terra, but the prank went too far off the rails.
1:05:04 I think the cities were built on the underside because building on top of the continent wouldn't allow for proper anchoring, but by building under the continent the cities are able to use buoyancy from the oceans to keep them securely attached he'd to the continent, they can now also build to make the anchor needed to build up.
The truly impressive thing is that these population figures are often less than a tenth of what you'd expect realistically.
Re Terra's water supply, Bricky stumbled on the answer without realising. The water is in the system (and people) and constantly cycled through it (and them).
Ordered my first poster and hoodie I'm a tank my friends
"I JUST WOKE UP IN A STEEMY MOOD YEA, CUS I LIVE, IN A SHITOLE!"
-Terran Citizen 2nd millenium
I love how they keep releasing posters that I would love to have but I would be afraid to show anyone else.
Would love tp see a follow-up episode where you talk about the different gangs on Necromunda! And maybe Kiripth can show some lf the whacky hanger-on charactets as well!
I read in one of the heresy era books that the peak of everest is like a big boulder sticking out of a metal ground. This being located Miles below the "surface". It'd be safe to say that terra has grown at least 30% in size
Water: During the Unification Wars one of the faction leaders (Minister Zu, don’t recall which polity) sold (stole?) the last ocean on Terra, earning her a death sentence from the Emperor - who oddly enough was generally otherwise willing to ally with a potential rival, but she got a hard death sentence instead. It’s mostly covered in Master of Mankind (iirc).
I'm sad you didn't mention the first ogryn psyker on Necromunda
32:25 Fun fact: Assuming people start major colonization from Earth by the year 20 000, humanity would have to remove ~1.8 quadrillion liters of water (So an average lake) each day
I will say, this reminds me of how a friend of mine's setting Mortasheen is basically a hive city except things are pretty good for the people living there. Not because it's not a polluted warped nightmare, but because everyone's adapted to it over millions of years to the point where all the ecological disasters and warped nightmares of science ended up cancelling each other out into something resembling a functional ecosystem
Tho despite the fact they're mostly grotesque mutant/posthuman mad scientists, the inhabitants actually pretty nice to purestrain humans if they can survive the city, tho they think they're a bit off their rocker for not mutating themselves.
I need a game where you either build or survive in a hive city. I think itd be neat.
Imagine a hive world is so heavily buried by ash that even tyranids see it as dead.
1:20:09 your tea privileges have been rervoked, Kirioth!
I hope Kirioth does a video on civilized worlds. He starts by explaining how these planets still have natural forests and oceans, the skies aren't yet choked with smog of continent sized factories, and aren't a bad place to live. Then right when Bricky and DK start to lose the cynicism and like the sound of these planets, he pulls out a list of civilized worlds that show up in lore just to get destroyed by chaos/tyranids/orks/Imperium. Life on these worlds is peaceful, but that can change at any moment.
"and then the flesh is flayed from your bones and then your bones are disintegrated, where do you think you are?"
Rochdale?
Makes you wonder if that "small" noble population is what keeps Hive Cties from falling to Nurge instantly. Cause they do sound like Nurge paradises.
@1:05:00 it's a buoyancy problem. You can't build 100billion tons of city on something that floats, but you CAN build airtight below it like a boat.
My 'theory' as to why they built upside down on Landunder is that they didn't want any of the land masses to become unstable, or maybe even capsize, so they built the cities underneath the waterline in order to keep the centre of gravity below the water. Like how big ships have a keel made of iron or lead so they don't flip over easily.