How hard Did Lenny's Death Hit Arthur? | Red Dead Redemption 2
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Let's not forget: Lenny was the only one who told Dutch, in his face, that his anarchist ideas were based on some pseudo-philosophy that weren't even that impressive compared to other writers of the time. Lenny was apparently more well read than Dutch, and far more intelligent to not hook his entire personality around one writer.
Lenny was arguably the smartest member of the gang, it was clear he wasn’t just knowledgeable but very perceptive and eager to learn.
There's a dialogue with Hosea where he basically suggests Lenny to drop the Outlaw life and become a lawyer
Less forced conclusion is that nobody really cared. Hosea and Arthur knew Dutch much earlier, so maybe he wasn't much a philosophy guy before late 1880's, and they treated all his charismatic stuff like a trick, and others described their motivation in lots of dialogues around the camp or in direct conversations with Arthur. Lenny was the only one who cared about Dutch views, so he was the only one who disputed.
@@makb_the_striker Yeah, too bad that Dutch didn't expect him to debate. He was too used to be around unread lowlives who just accepted any word he spitted as the truth. If Dutch was more open he perhaps could have found some balance in Lenny's ideas about things.
@@makb_the_strikereh I think that’s a well presented take, but a bit too meta for the gang, I think it’s as simple as it seems, they believed Dutch’s BS and stayed in cognitive dissonance long enough to go down with Dutch, many of them anyway.
I forgot where I heard this quote, but it’s a good one.
“When Sean died, the fun stopped. When Hosea died, the hope ended. When Lenny died, the misery started.”
For Arthur it was like losing your two little brothers and your dad or close uncle all in quick succession
@@mubs2685Arthur says in his journal he actually cares about Hosea more than Dutch
Dont forget about poor Kieran.
When Grimshaw died, it ended the gang. 😤
Even tho gang was already ended 😂
The saddest part about Lenny's death is that he was just 19 years old
That's messed up
I thought he was in his 20s
@@imjustin412well if you pay attention on a side hustle mission with him Arthur’s mentions your not even 20 when Lenny said he wasn’t a member in the shady belle house but a side gang outside
Exactly, he was literally just a kid trying to make a living
Damn, 19 going on 40
Lenny was the only person in the camp that I considered as a best friend to Arthur. He was wise beyond his years, and very capable of contributing to the gang. Not only that, his optimism balanced out Arthur’s pessimism without coming off as annoyingly obnoxious.
Lenny’s death was one of the most tragic in the entire game. I know for a fact that he would’ve had Arthur’s back at the end of the story.
id say hosea is the most tragic, apart from arthur
@@dankdracula6089 I disagree, Hosea was running on borrowed time. Yes his death was tragic and very sad, but Lenny had much more life ahead of him. There’s nothing sadder than a person dying before reaching their full potential.
And I said “One of” not “the most tragic”
@@OGStarlightKY It get's even more tragic when you pay attention to the goings on in camp and notice that Lenny spends a LOT of time hanging out and conversing with Hosea.
@@Marcus21H Yeah bro, that hit me right in the feels.
@@OGStarlightKY same
We all loved Lenny.
Exactly he was the best member of the whole gang in a sense
@@neighborhoodturnthe was, just before Charles, then Hosea imo
We sure did. Sadie, Charles and John too. These are "people " I want to sit and have some coffee or a knock of bourbon with
@@tikkidaddy even though Sadie is crazy.
We still do😢
I imagine Lenny would have joined Sadie and Arthur in the rescue of Abigial had he lived. I think Lenny was loyal to the gang and had respect for Dutch, but the Bronte murder might have shaken him and Dutch basically abandoning her to the Pinkerton's would have sealed him choosing Arthur over Dutch. Either he joins in the rescue or he sends him and Tilly to protect her and Jack while Arthur and Sadie rescue Abigail. Either way, Lenny for sure survives into the post game as I think Arthur would have been hell bent on making sure he was among them that survived.
Honestly with the exception of Molly and *maybe* Sean, most of the characters who die or flee would’ve sided with Arthur. Sean’s a maybe because he and Javier are very similar in their loyalty to Dutch, but I think Sean is just a bit closer to Arthur and would’ve edged out the other way as opposed to Javier who just barely edged out in Dutch’s favor.
I truly feel every other character that wasn’t around for the final confrontation (again, barring Molly who probably wouldn’t have sided with either) would’ve sided with Arthur.
I would've loved to have seen Lenny live into the epilogue helping John and everyone build the ranch. Some good wholesome family time.
@@mistertwister2000 he hated Micah too I know my boy would have sided with Arthur
@@mistertwister2000I think with Sean around that might have changed things a bit for Javier. He surely seemed indecisive in his choice to side with Dutch, but I think if all these other people siding with Arthur his choice might have been different.
Agreed rockstar should have given us multiple scenarios missed a gem here
Lenny was my personal favorite non playable character in the camp. He always had a certain independent streak, especially when it came to challenging Dutch on his reading habits. His and Hosea's deaths were definitely insanely traumatic for Arthur, especially with no time to grieve unlike Sean where after the assault on Braithewait Manor he had some quiet time to process. I feel like Lenny and Hosea's deaths were left for us to interpret as well as to closely connect their deaths and the Robbery's failure together was the proverbial death of the old gang as Dutch really just goes if the rails even further from there.
I think it hit extra hard coming so soon after Hosea’s. Hosea’s death is telegraphed pretty early in the story, I think most players assumed he would probably pass one way or another by the end of the game.
Lenny on the other hand was young and seemingly fine, and since we just had a major character death you wouldn’t expect yet another literally a few minutes later, especially when unlike the other character deaths Lenny doesn’t even get a cutscene so it truly comes out of nowhere.
Lenny's death not getting a cutscene worked especially well for maximum impact, I think.
@@zigedelic3909 yup. So many of us were convinced it was our fault he got shot on first time we played, but then as you see arthur leaning towards him and the "he's dead.." line with no fail screen... being forced to continue running and fighting with no second to process what happened...
The scene shocked me so much i was stressed that the game wouldve killed Charles offscreen when he sacrifices himself to lure away the authorities, and again i was afraid Javier would die in guarma (didnt play rdr1 first) because i was like "they killed lenny out of nowhere, another member could be next at any time now"
@@nctsgrassyes i remember the first time i played i thought charles would die 😅
@@nctsgrassBuilding on that, I replayed the entire mission to get a save right before Lenny dies so I could try and save him, even if you kill the dude who kills him before he shoots, Lenny gets sniped from somewhere else.
Five years later. Im still mad about lenny’s death. They could’ve at least gave him a cutscene.
I think that Lenny's death not getting a cutscene actually served to make it hit that much harder. Like, it really highlighted how quickly and easily a life could be snuffed out, but you have to keep moving.
@@zigedelic3909 I can respect that opinion. Im just a bit biased because Lenny was one of my favorite members.
@@WizGallo That's fair. Lenny was one of my favourites as well so I can understand that too
A way I'm thinking of how a cutscene could've been added was when after getting on the rooftops the cutscene starts of them running and Dutch or someone calls out to Arthur and he looks back for a second and then Lenny gets shot and then, cue the dead eye and proceed as normal with each member passing by or stopping for a bit.
It makes it so you cant try to shoot them before Lenny gets hit since you could realistically shoot the Lenny killer before he shoots.
Having no cutscene made it more impactful. He is a cool character, but for his life to be taken out of nowhere, make it scary that anyone is next. R.I.P Lenny, you are the second best friend to Arthur and your loyalty won’t be forgotten.
A detail about Lenny's death is how all gang members present had reacted to his sudden death.
-Arthur obviously stopped to check if Lenny was alive and had a moment to mourn for him.
-Charles stopped for a moment to check if Lenny was alive too, but didn't have time to mourn due to the situation so he kept moving
-Micah and Bill passed by Lenny's body, not even acknowledging his death but just running for their own lives.
-Javier didn't know what to do, I think he wanted to stop to check on Lenny but decided to keep moving due to panic.
-And finally Dutch, acknowledging that Lenny died but urging Arthur to keep moving.
I think this interaction foreshadows who each of them are;
-Obviously, Arthur was closer to Lenny the most, but each member's death hit him the most, He'd be willing to give his own life for any of them.
-Charles too cares for each member of the gang, obviously willing to sacrifice himself as seen later in the mission for them.
-Micah and Bill are only out for themselves, they do not care about the gang as much as the money and freedom involved with it.
-Javier is afraid, undecisive, and doesn't know who to trust, nor where to run.
-Dutch cares for his members as much as he cares losing a pawn, it hurts but in the end he gotta keep moving on from the loss and seek new opportunity.
To be the devil's advocate, Micah and Bill both passed Lenny after Arthur and Charles stopped to check on him and saying that he was dead. There simply was nothing they could do to make a difference at that point.
To be devils devils advocate there's a theory that Milton and micah were working together at this point and that's why he's the only one with a white suite
@@Onzo22 what reason did milton have to lie and say "after you boys came back from the caribbean" when it was before they even got to the caribbean
When Hosea died, i knew, the gang was over. Lenny's death nearly flew over my head, because of how hard I was hit by previous death, but in the back of my mind it only solidified the thought.
As someone with asburgers, or high functioning autism as some say, its rare for most any form of media to make me feel strong emotions. Whenever it does, I very easily become obsessed with it. Red Dead Redemption 2 easily made me feel the most emotion out of any game, movie, or show. I wish I could go back and play it again feeling the same emotions I felt the first time I played.
As another one with Asperger’s - this is exactly how I felt too. I really wish my first playthrough I took more slowly, did more side missions, but oh well.
Same case here! Guess RDR2 got through to us all.
@@spartanseth7392Ass burgers isn't a real disease lol, autism is also just a cope for being lazy lmao
Yea rd2 had one of the best stories I honestly can’t think of a game that can compare
In cowboy heaven we can still hear drunk Arthur calling out Lenny.❤
Ynnel
Man I love Lenny. Lenny and Hosea died so closely together that the gang didn't really have time to properly process or grieve and that makes each hit harder. Lenny was such a sharp person and aside Charles, the person Arthur relied on the most. I think had he lived he might have went in with Charles and Arthur on helping out the Natives, cause like Arthur said he was always up for helping out and he was smart enough not to lose his head.
knowing Lenny was meant for such a better life is what made his death even harder. he chose the outlaw life by killing the men who murdered his father, but all his father had ever wanted for him was to be a lawyer. Lenny was all set to be in College and become a lawyer. Lenny didn’t deserve the outlaw life, but in the end he is the one who chose it. Lenny was the hardest for me to mourn
His death hit me harder than the bullets that killed him. Rest in peace Lenny
I honestly think Lenny would have sided with Arthur if he survived
He 100% would have sided with Arthur, without a doubt.
basically all the members of the gang that would have sided with arthur died besides charles sadie and john
Plus wasn't Micah kind of mean to him?
@@couchman3216 more than kinda
@@couchman3216not just mean, straight up racist
I literally shouted ‘no’ so loud when his death occurred
Lenny died the most out of nowhere it wasn’t even a cutscene like sean
One my favourite characters. His death hit so many players hard. Just so well scripted and in-deth back story. Hosea too. Seeing them both meet their end in the same mission really signalled the rapid downhill of Dutch and his boys. Too me, Dutch's gang was closer to a cult then a traditional gang especially at the end.
The Gang in Arthurs eyes:
Dutch and Hosea = Fathers/Mentors
Mrs. Grimshaw = Mother Hen
The Women: Little Sisters
Sean, John, Bill, and Javier = Brothers
Jack and Lenny = Student/Son
Pearson = I like Food
Uncle = Lazy Fool
Strauss = German Guy
Trelawney = Magic Man
Reverend = Useless Annoyance
Kieran: Damn Odriscoll
Micah = Why Are You Even Here?
W
Lenny’s death shocked me. I remember screaming “fuck you dutch let me grieve, I’ll kill everyone of these Pinkerton ass holes I’ll run when I’m ready.” His death and hoseas really make the game kinda hard to replay. I don’t wanna lose them again. Take micha
Try replaying the game seeing the characters knowing they won’t be there anymore
One piece of dialogue l always liked was Lenny telling Arthur how he felt accepted in the group and liked how there wasn't any racism as opposed to different places he visted. Arthur says he never noticed that when also going to different places and Lenny says no offense Arthur but you wouldn't have because he has a different perspective. And Lenny talks about how he'd get stared down by strangers and would have to think about watching his back around them. So I like Arthur getting this new perspective that he never thought of before and hearing Lenny out
Arthur doesn’t see Racism, because he see people as people. And even Arthur has no hard feelings to the people he has killed. Arthur see everyone in the gang as family, but the better way to see Arthur is ,he does what he feels is right, without being an asshole about it. To Lenny, he is family, and family will protect each other blood or no blood related.
In my opinion Lenny Hosea and Kieran didn't deserve what happened to them
Agreed. Kieran especially, the guy just wanted friends
@@Nico42048 Yeah I wanted to be his friend but even when I tried to greet him Arthur would still be a bit aggressive
The scene that gets me is Lenny talking about the racism that Arthur wouldn’t be able to see.
Him dropping the hard n-word shocked the hell out of me the first time 😂
Your writing and editing style is awesome you should try branching out into different topics that might draw in more people than just red dead 2
Thats so kind of you to say, that really means a lot to hear. You think so?
@@CynicGTAFor sure man.
I really liked this video. I didn't really catch that when I played (I only just beat it early this year) about the effect that it had on Arthur deeper than what I noticed because I didn't realize how badly the game was going to end so much of the early game I wasn't looking at it like that. I'm rambling. Great video cynic
hosea and lenny are my two favorite characters other than arthur and we lost both of them in the same mission
I think it's significant Abigail makes sure to tell Dutch they got Hosea's body, while it is up to Sadie to tell Arthur they got Lenny's. Basically they told the person who would care most.
Lenny is my top 3 favorite characters. I really wanted rdr 3 to be from Lenny's perspective before he met Dutch. There's dialogue where he says he's killed several men and was on the run before he met Dutch.
My man 💪🏽 been waiting for this
I think Lenny's death hit Arthur harder than he let on, because Lenny was the second youngest in the gang next to Jack. In a way, i think that ended up allowing him to form a sort of parental connection to Lenny, making ot semi akin to Arthur, in the past, discovering the death of his girl and son.
Finally a video about Lenny and Arthur
The gang deaths just solidify why Arthur is soo torn when Mary reaches out to him. Hosea, Lenny and Sean are perfect examples of what he's trying to avoid. Everyone he cares about is at risk.
I love this account! Keep the RDR content coming!! ❤
Some real, _real_ intimate moments with Lenny.
Cynic i love your videos. Your ideas are always original and creative, unlike some other red dead channels. The way you format your videos makes it an easy watch and ur thumbnails always catch my eye. Your definitely going to go far in this game bro keep it up
Stay confident w this bro, watching your videos i can literally FEEL the effort put in to them. They have a professional feel to them
I loved Lenny dude. I feel like Arthur viewed him like a little brother at least that’s the vibe I got from their interactions. The same he felt about John that’s why he was so mad at John when he left the group because he felt betrayed because family is everything to Arthur, Family and Loyalty.
Legend has it that they are both getting blackout drunk together in the great saloon in the sky
One small detail is that after Lenny falls to the ground after being shot, Arthur is the only one to stop and grieve while the other gang members are trying to escape the Pinkertons
Lenny’s death deserved a cut scene. 😢
Although maybe the speed with which it happened was intentional, to pump up the stress of the situation.
I think hosea and Lenny's deaths were the point arthur started doubting dutch and also where his entire mood changed when he started falling into a bit of a depression as soon as the gang comes back from guarma,i believe it's because Arthur simply hasn't had time to grieve,he lost a close friend and one of the men who practically raised him.
Lenny was half Arthur's age so he would've seen him like an older son. In fact, it's possible that Arthur's son, were he still alive, would have been Lenny's age.
love your video and i believe i pulled an answer to your question/wish of wanting a cutscene or something more than what we got for lenny's death, out of my bottom!
Sean had a cutscene because it was a massive turn of events for the gang, an ambush and an end to their shenanigans in the town.
Hosea had his cutscene because he was the soul, the second brain of the gang, plus how much his character contrasts with dutch's. On the note of dutch, Hosea had his cutscene to because that was the moment dutch got "unleashed" fully doing his way, as unreasonable as it may be.
Lenny, although very important to the gang and arthur (the player). Lenny's death was so unexpected, as in "we are on the temporary safety of the roofs". Then later in the game, no one could have time to process his death, and what little time there was for the dead... unfortunately Hosea takes the spotlight.
i am on the same exact boat, i want more to lenny and his death, but i want to put all of my trust on Rockstar, and believe that the best or only way for us to experience lenny's death, was like arthur and the gang, A.K.A. "it was so fast and now we gotta run!"
thanks for reading
I was absolutely heartbroken when he died, just so quick. Almost an insignificant death, he deserved at least a cut-seen
I don't remember Lenny. I don't play, listen to them. I never seen so many people come together and share so much enthusiasm for a game. It was so beautiful. Then. They won game of the year, greed set in. World started unraveling. Once. In a lifetime hope, turned to ash. I thought the World was getting better despite my pain. There was value and in the end it was a mirage. Like everything else.
You know I would love a deep retrospective on aurthers feelings towards the death of people or events
What weighed most on my Arthur was the fact that he was reloading his weapons when Lenny was killed, as if at that moment Arthur couldn't have saved Lenny because his weapons were out of ammunition.
Both Sean and Lenny’s death made me scream NOOOOOOO as if I was right there with them, what a fucking game
I was genuinely upset when Lenny died he ain’t get the most screen time but he was one if my favorite characters
I like to think Arthur and Lenny are drinking together in heaven getting into all kinds of mischief
Lenny’s death, while quick and not really cinematic, Arthur sat with him for a few seconds before running and almost looked like he was about to cry at his death
I related to Lenny the most in the game for obvious reasons. I really liked how they highlighted his role in the gang. It was cool seeing Arthur try to understand why he didn't like being in shady belle.
great video
Wow, you really just showed the Lenny on Lenny action with no censoring at all, on RUclips.
It's more likely that arthur See's lenny as how dutch would have seen arthur. In their younger years.
Feel like Lenny would've expanded the story more
I remember playing the Bank heist and restarting the mission like 3 times trying to save lenny until I realized that I couldn't save him
i remember restarting that mission multiple times trying to save lenny
I don’t think I could handle a cut scene of Lenny dying tbh
this game tore your heart out
I wish i could replay rdr2 like it was my first time again
They did Lenny so dirty the fact that he never got a cutscene after hosea was just wrong it makes him feel less important than everyone else
I think the lack of cutscene made Lenny’s death far
more shocking since all the previous deaths were in cutscenes and it’s just kind of video game logic that deaths happen in cutscenes
I forgot what mission and what npc it is he’s talking to but there’s a few times I remember him talking to someone about his grief with all the deaths in the gang, Lenny and Hosea he has a special kinda sadness you can hear in his voice almost like he don’t want to admit it’s real. That’s how I always saw him taking it. Lenny was too green and Hosea lived thru I would assume he thinks worse, so those two feel the most unreal to him maybe. But when he says their names there’s a tremble in his voice. Rodger Clark really killed this role, man’s great!
I never even noticed arthurs screams for Lenny's name when he gets shot, because I always tried to save him and try to get the gunmen before he died, I knew I couldn't but I would always try
The fact that it came so suddenly and bluntly made it hit so much harder for me. Second playthrough I tried my best to save him but you just cant.
RIP Lemny 😢you were truly the best of us
His death is very similar like the one in twd carl
lenny was such a good character, even if he was severely underutilized. i only wish we couldve gotten more missions showing us how cool he is. i still feel like he shouldve been one of the few gang members that lived 😭
Lenny and Sean were two of my favorite characters.
i like your channel!
I’ve played RDR2 way too many times to count and I’ve NEVER seen 3:48 and I wish I could go back to not knowing that existed
I really think that out of all of the gang, Arthur really liked Lenny, Sean, Charles, Hosea, and while it took a while to come around, John the most. Sure, he may have spoken roughly and a bit beratingly to Sean at times, but we hear that in the end, he really did like Sean after what happened in that shootout, and even was extremely furious in the moment after he was shot. He always seemed to get along with Lenny very well and seemed extremely devastated in the way he runs straight to Lenny and despite the situation still takes that moment for him, Hosea was practically his second father, Charles taught him a lot about how to hunt but also show respect in the hunt as well, and the reason I say John as well, was by the end of it, with Charles helping the Natives leave their camp, John became the one he trusted and relied on the most, even despite the justified dislike for him at the start.
Had Lenny survived the story, I could see him becoming a similar person to Hosea. Very intelligent and kind, but able to kill when need be.
His death shattered my soul.
I loved Sean,Lenny and Hosea sm specially Keiran
The moment where Arthur and Lenny go out and get drunk was a very heart warming moment
Lenny is my fourth favorite character, arthur, john, sadie, then lenny. Which i mean fourth place doesnt sound great, but honestly i just how lenny almost seemed to look up to arthur and arthur treated him with nothing but respect
I think it's really sad that both Sean and Lenny went out the way they did. I wish we did see what Arthur thought more about Lenny. I think Arthur loved Lenny more like a son than a brother. Hosea's death was the greatest lost that Arthur had, and I think it really overshadows Arthur's feelings about Lenny, and him reading Lenny's letter in Chapter 3 makes it more impactful that Arthur never got to see Lenny achieve his dreams that he wanted, and would talk about with Arthur.
Lenny wasnt just Orthurs boah, he was everyones boah.😢
Miss Grimshaw next
Lenny definitely was one of my favorites
3:56 played this game so many times and never knew that was a thing 😭😭😭
Lenny felt like the one true friend for Arthur in that gang, like brothers...
Every time I replay RDR2; I always make sure to talk to Lenny, Sean, Kieran, and Hosea as much as possible.
I specifically save Hosea’s missions as the best for last…mostly because Hosea sounds too much like my grandfather 😅.
Lenny is the only character I got drunk and lost control with. The only mission I've replayed more than twice. I wish Lenny would have made it to chapter 6. I wish there were more missions with Lenny. I wish Lenny would have been able to get the red dead redemption for Arthur. Lenny represented the last remaining hope in a world being lost to civilization.
3:45 how have I never seen this before 😭😭
Lenny was young also i woulda love for them to have him survive and been a character to be in another game or something he was great one of my favorites out the gang.
6:32 That "No! Lenny!" was honestly heartbreaking. Arthur's voice actor did an amazing job with this game, as did everyone else's. You can tell how much love was put into it by the cast and developers.
seeing everyone who was friends with arthur and had his back die one by one makes me think micah chose those specific people as targets so arthur would be alone with marston in the final confrontation
It was so shocking and quick , i reloaded because i thought there was a way to save him by foing something different. I knew he was in danger as soon as everything went belly up , i had him pegged for a tragic death some way, somehow, and it still sucked. Just blewn away
I was so hurt about Lenny
Lenny my boy!
Great rd2 channel
I remember the rooftop death of Lenny and having to leave him behind. It didn’t sit well with Arthur to leave his friend behind like that. It kind of made Arthur hold resentment towards Dutch more and see him differently. Morgan loses friends one by one and seeing the tribe unfold at the seams and knows Dutch is no longer a good or trustworthy leader of the gang since Dutch is only motivated by his short sighted personal gains at the expense of others.
Losing Lenny was worse than Hosea IMO: because Hosea was ready to pass the torch and knew he wasnt long for it (even if it wasnt how he thought he was going to die) Lenny was as smart and good a strategist as anyone in camp and he complimented a possible Arthur led gang perfectly. In Hoseas mind at least i think he Saw Arthur and John taking over the reins of the group and Lenny being their advisor (or their hosea) Charles and Sean etc being the main workhorses. (that said I also think He saw all of them as being able to get out of the life and go do something better either alone or together which they could have)
They did my man Lenny kind dirty honestly, I mean home boy had just started getting a name for himself and the he just gets blown away. Tragic
Lenny dies too quick like sean..
Sean *
When I first play this game, I load the game so many times to prevent Lenny's death