Thats great. I ran DR with TKO for years and when added power became clear I needed bia plys. Went Hoosier QTP as MT disc. the size I need for 69 Mach1
It looks like you were spinning the rears some on your launch. Put a 2" wide white mark on the sidewall then put wifey to work video taping the rear tire when you launch. You'll be able to see how much tire spin there is then you can drop the pressure. Also the sun hitting one tire and not the other will vary the pressure as someone said.. Also skinnier tires in the front will make a difference in your ET. less rolling resistance and also less unsprung weight. The bigger and wider a tire obviously the heavier it is. Don't know if that was bracket or elims or just fun n grudge but when that yellow light flashes you nail it. You wait for the green you give 0.5 secs. away. It may not seem like much but 0.5 on the tree is 0.5 at 1,320 ft. and at 120 mph that's 88 feet! It's 88 feet you just gave away! If you would have reacted on the yellow and cut a .430 light (which IS very good) you would have welded his ass to the tree holeshotted the shit out of him and beat him by .001". Good point on the arm position. Keep it matted when you shift just stab the clutch and don't miss. Lots of practice.
I started using these tires back in the late 90s and the 60 foot times are consistent as hell(low 1.70s) Unless the track is for shit, they always hook. Going out there 2-3 times a month I could get a full two seasons out of them. After 20 years, Im trying to talk myself into some type of drag radial,..,..hoosier, MT, but I hate to part with something that I know works. Bias plies hook no matter what the temperature is. THey're not fussy like radials and like the guy in the video says, they are stable in the top end. 16-18 lbs works fine for me. So many different opinions out there that I dont know what to believe regarding ET street bias plies vs drag radials. I drive these to the track (35 miles) have been caught in the rain and they really dont handle much different than the street radials. (car is a 86 cutlass) I also run the 215/50/15 BF goodrich radial up front with the bias plies in the back, handles just fine. Probably made over 800 runs down the track with this combo.
The rolling resistance part i keep hearing people say is a half truth at best. Because a bias ply counts on rpm's producing centrifical force. That straightens out the side walls keeping the tire round. It only has only more rolling resistance at low rpm's. BTW: yes I know centifical, centrifugal, and centripetal force are not actual forces, but illusions of force caused by gyroscopic effects. Also that centrifical it self is not even considered a word in the dictionary.
Outstanding you did your homework. Sway is more in over 28" tires at low tire pressure. Right on, the wild shift steering sway. Also panicking with a little sway turn into trouble. With big aka tall tires when you let off can be it's on adventure at 140+ mph. My car throws in a Max up grade IRS 78 Corvette with stroker big block, dual stage3 NOS and 66 yrs old! Sway lol I was thinking that's normal at my age and fun. Great video young man with some real wisdom!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😇😇😇
They are not made to be driven on the street. A bias ply tire will shake with groves/imperfections in the road and wear VERY quickly and unevenly. These are made solely for the track... so drive there on the street tires, and swap them in the pit area before you start making passes... when its time to leave swap back to your street tires.
You have an example of "one". 1 car with 1 tire, thats it. Try running several different suspension types and tires then get back to us. Those tires you have are TINY. When you get into much larger side walls and especially very low pressures, where you really get the side walls to, "wrinkle" then you will see the difference. Your car is no where near the tire size or power level for you to understand...
Sweet stang. I see your from B.C. I'm from Kelowna. Just started racing myself at end of last year. Hope to make it to a race there at mission. My closest tracks are at Thunder Mountain and Osoyoos. Good luck this year !!!!
I have a skinny up front with ET street r bias ply out back and the sway on the street is for real. I agree with you 100% about hand position. Anyway… I’m a stick car, and I actually prefer ET Street SS on the car even with 900/750. Just grips better on the street than the bias ply In my opinion.
20 psi is a big reason you didn’t see sidewall flex. But if it works for you that’s great. I can’t imagine at that pressure you were taking advantage of the potential shock reduction provided by a bias ply tire mounted on a manual trans car. I’m concerned with your radials on the front and bias ply rears. M/T strongly discourages that practice. Relax in the car. Take your small twitch muscles out of the equation to avoid the shift jerk your concerned with. However, if your happy with the results that is all that matters. Remember to use a fabric tape measure to compare circumference on each tire from time to time! Check circumference inflated to 30psi.
You are correct. Have the tires pressures right did help a lot. The main reason I made this video was I could only find 1 video on RUclips on this topic. After having a successful day at the track I really wanted to share my experience with the community. Thanks for watching!
Aren't those tires also more comfortable to drive? (Updated) I checked, it's more about the old-timers tires, those are very comfortable, much softer to drive.
Hey, Sean. Dave from Seattle here. Can you recommend a good tuner/shop in BC? My 2017 blown mustang gt needs correction for misfires and imrc stuck open. I think its the tune but I cant rule out vacuum or exhaust leaks. Hard to find the "right Guy" locally. everyone is super busy too. Thoughts?
David Strachan I am editing a video and planning to upload tomorrow. I think it will answers all of your questions. Look for the video tomorrow. Thanks for the comment!
I was getting same 60ft on 20s pirelli p zeros 265s 2015 gt 6mt convertible. Very low 1.924. 1.880 with those tires you need to practice more launches.
You should put 8lbs in those tires and after your burn out the temp will raise the air pressure to 10-11lbs Two reasons you didn’t have mush “sway” you ran to much air in them so if you put in 20lbs to start after your burn out the pressure Would raise 2-3 psi. Due to heating of the air inside the tire. Second reason is those are 17” wheels an fairly small diameter tires with less side wall then guys to talk about sway on the top end
When he's not running any power to the wheels, it won't matter. Always stop lowering pressure when you get 100% bite. Lowering it past that, will just increase rolling resistance.
Alright maybe I'm confused - but you say that you're running 26x11.5x17 Mickey Thompson ET Street Bias tires? Mickey Thompson does not list that size in the BIAS ET Street on their own website. The MT ET Street R lists that size - but it's a radial.
Hi CB JM. They discontinued this tire last year. The Bias ET is the replacement now I believe. If your running a manual transmission that’s the tire to get. Thanks for watching!
This is where I got lost Cause I was shopping for a bias ply tire And was told these mickeys were the way to go There are 315/50/r17s Car is a six speed and I’m terrified to put em on and snap my axles or ds But I’m mostly a street and no prep guy Am I risking it or go Hoosier bias
Nonprep is fine, I throw them on for fun to run around town stop light to stop light. With a 4.09 rear I can leave the line and hook on the street pretty easily at 4-4.5krpm
radial front tyres are more direct so if you do get a back end sway you have more chances of steering out from the wall thats with radials on the back also if you have bias ply tyres on the back and radials on the front any type of flex in the bias ply tyre at the rear you will arse end the car into thewall its a fact.what you said is not correct
Its the sidewall height. With those...are they truly rinkle wall? They only have a half inch of movement. Another example of someone with to much money and try a professional sport.
Can you pls make sure of the size cuz I'm on the border line to buy new drag tires also what gears do you run and do you have to shift to 5th? I got 275s on the front so I hope it works for me too lol
+karam rammo no problem. They are 26x11.5x17. On the 1/4 mile I did have to shift into 5th at the end. The car is running the stock 3.73 gears that the boss comes with. Compared to the 285 stock on the car they are little taller. Not by much though. Thanks again for the questions.
Thank you very much for your quick responce. Your content is so on point and very informative and also very confidance inspiring. Now I'm more confertable buying bias ply over a radial. Also my personal opinion is that being a 17" tire with a lower profile tire it actually helped with the sway.
karam rammo thank you so much. I wanted to make this video to help others as I was worried about running this tire as well. Can't wait for next season to come!
Sean, did you run bias ply up front also, or radials? I'm pausing the camera at certain frames to try to see the front tire and can't make it out haha. I ask because that's the great controversy and I really want to leave my street radials up front when I run the MT Street Bias Ply on rear.
Hi Lance. I was running the stock wheels and tires in that video. I am planning on running a front runner (skinny) up front this year. I have also heard mixed things about this combo. We will see how things go this year. Thanks for watching!
Sean MgGuigan Get those anchors off it up front. Those stock rims are heavy as hell and those tires are too. When going to a dot approved non-slick drag tire in the rear like you have, whether it being a bias ply or radial, the right fronts can give you almost as big of an advantage. If you stick a set of M&H Racemaster Muscle Car Drag fronts in 26x4.50-17 up front, you'll shave at least a quater off your time. It will also make your car be more controllable on the highway. Running wide radials with bias ply tires in the back, is always a recipe for an unstable car when cruising. However, it goes without saying that running the skinnies will of course reduce your steering response and breaking abilities.
How many PSI you running in those 44psi at the track you should be running them between 6-10psi, the skinny front isn’t to get rid of the sway it’s to get better RT’s and the psi on the fronts should be 42-45psi
*Installed and tires balanced perfectly as we all know some MT's do and some dont.💡💡 **allabout.wiki/Mickey** These look amazing and perform just the same. Not to loud not to quiet. Love the look, would recommend.*
Bias Ply tires are GREAT for the track. Most of these "issues" from internet gurus comes from people attempting to street drive and street race them in a manner many do with say standard ET street Radials.. Bias Plys on the street isn't a NoGo per say but definitely. NOT smart
Be patient. I did the same thing. Spent months looking for the right car and found this one. This would be my Third Mustang I have personally owned and I have been in love with them since I was a kid.
Sway? Don't even think of using MT's only in back on a Z06/Z07/ZR1 with run flats or similar high hp, lower weight, better balanced cars. They can be dangerous. On a low power car like this Mustang, they may be better but caution.
Your tire man will tell you not mix bias ply tires and radials on your car, it's one or the other, or you will feel your rear end shift at random times while on the highway.
Boy you must be a poor driver. If you grip the wheel that hard and can't keep it steady you must no have much experience. Your instructions aren't online because they are foolish. Of course if you're only going 100 you are either a slower car or running eights.
Thanks for clearing that up i thought it was a $50k ferrari
prancing pony !
Thats great. I ran DR with TKO for years and when added power became clear I needed bia plys. Went Hoosier QTP as MT disc. the size I need for 69 Mach1
It looks like you were spinning the rears some on your launch. Put a 2" wide white mark on the sidewall then put wifey to work video taping the rear tire when you launch. You'll be able to see how much tire spin there is then you can drop the pressure. Also the sun hitting one tire and not the other will vary the pressure as someone said.. Also skinnier tires in the front will make a difference in your ET. less rolling resistance and also less unsprung weight. The bigger and wider a tire obviously the heavier it is. Don't know if that was bracket or elims or just fun n grudge but when that yellow light flashes you nail it. You wait for the green you give 0.5 secs. away. It may not seem like much but 0.5 on the tree is 0.5 at 1,320 ft. and at 120 mph that's 88 feet! It's 88 feet you just gave away! If you would have reacted on the yellow and cut a .430 light (which IS very good) you would have welded his ass to the tree holeshotted the shit out of him and beat him by .001". Good point on the arm position. Keep it matted when you shift just stab the clutch and don't miss. Lots of practice.
I started using these tires back in the late 90s and the 60 foot times are consistent as hell(low 1.70s) Unless the track is for shit, they always hook. Going out there 2-3 times a month I could get a full two seasons out of them. After 20 years, Im trying to talk myself into some type of drag radial,..,..hoosier, MT, but I hate to part with something that I know works. Bias plies hook no matter what the temperature is. THey're not fussy like radials and like the guy in the video says, they are stable in the top end. 16-18 lbs works fine for me. So many different opinions out there that I dont know what to believe regarding ET street bias plies vs drag radials. I drive these to the track (35 miles) have been caught in the rain and they really dont handle much different than the street radials. (car is a 86 cutlass) I also run the 215/50/15 BF goodrich radial up front with the bias plies in the back, handles just fine. Probably made over 800 runs down the track with this combo.
The rolling resistance part i keep hearing people say is a half truth at best. Because a bias ply counts on rpm's producing centrifical force. That straightens out the side walls keeping the tire round. It only has only more rolling resistance at low rpm's.
BTW: yes I know centifical, centrifugal, and centripetal force are not actual forces, but illusions of force caused by gyroscopic effects. Also that centrifical it self is not even considered a word in the dictionary.
Outstanding you did your homework. Sway is more in over 28" tires at low tire pressure. Right on, the wild shift steering sway. Also panicking with a little sway turn into trouble. With big aka tall tires when you let off can be it's on adventure at 140+ mph. My car throws in a Max up grade IRS 78 Corvette with stroker big block, dual stage3 NOS and 66 yrs old! Sway lol I was thinking that's normal at my age and fun. Great video young man with some real wisdom!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😇😇😇
Sitting there burning out and bouncing off your limiter will for sure warm things up a bit!
No sway at strip I’m talking hwy,,, I almost totaled my car driving them on street
They are not made to be driven on the street. A bias ply tire will shake with groves/imperfections in the road and wear VERY quickly and unevenly.
These are made solely for the track... so drive there on the street tires, and swap them in the pit area before you start making passes... when its time to leave swap back to your street tires.
Yup, that's what i been doing for years, it's always worked for me👏🏽👍🏽😎
1st timer here. Great information. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
You have an example of "one". 1 car with 1 tire, thats it. Try running several different suspension types and tires then get back to us. Those tires you have are TINY. When you get into much larger side walls and especially very low pressures, where you really get the side walls to, "wrinkle" then you will see the difference. Your car is no where near the tire size or power level for you to understand...
Sweet stang. I see your from B.C. I'm from Kelowna. Just started racing myself at end of last year. Hope to make it to a race there at mission. My closest tracks are at Thunder Mountain and Osoyoos. Good luck this year !!!!
Thank you!
I have a skinny up front with ET street r bias ply out back and the sway on the street is for real. I agree with you 100% about hand position. Anyway… I’m a stick car, and I actually prefer ET Street SS on the car even with 900/750. Just grips better on the street than the bias ply In my opinion.
20 psi is a big reason you didn’t see sidewall flex. But if it works for you that’s great. I can’t imagine at that pressure you were taking advantage of the potential shock reduction provided by a bias ply tire mounted on a manual trans car. I’m concerned with your radials on the front and bias ply rears. M/T strongly discourages that practice. Relax in the car. Take your small twitch muscles out of the equation to avoid the shift jerk your concerned with. However, if your happy with the results that is all that matters. Remember to use a fabric tape measure to compare circumference on each tire from time to time!
Check circumference inflated to 30psi.
What is a good psi for daily driving mickey Thompson et street ss radials??
@@mustangdanny97 sorry bro. I don’t have that info. On the street I’m using Nittos @ 28 psi.
Great videos man! You're waaaayyy ahead of the game for less than 200 subs lol. Cheers from Arkansas!
+Zach Childers thanks that means a lot!
Try doing 2nd gear burnout next time!! U can do a shorter 1 and heat them quicker
Very informative. Nicely presented. Love the editing Sean. Well done.
Thanks! much appreciated.
Excellent info. Thanks.
I know your fuel mileage is better. That's fun too!
Good info thanks.
Thanks Sean , Love the car and info.
Mike
Thanks 👍
I cut 1.5s on 18s drag radials stick corvette. Thought you would do better than 1.8s
Drag radials wrinkle too I’m in the 10’s on a v6 and a v8
Nice video awesome to see some guys online that a local. I'll be sure to see you at mission come race season.
Thanks! I can't wait till the season begins again.
when you are swaying like that on a drag radial your air pressure is probably off and not the same in each tire -
You are correct. Have the tires pressures right did help a lot. The main reason I made this video was I could only find 1 video on RUclips on this topic. After having a successful day at the track I really wanted to share my experience with the community. Thanks for watching!
Aren't those tires also more comfortable to drive?
(Updated) I checked, it's more about the old-timers tires, those are very comfortable, much softer to drive.
Great video I'm subscribed
Hey, Sean. Dave from Seattle here. Can you recommend a good tuner/shop in BC? My 2017 blown mustang gt needs correction for misfires and imrc stuck open. I think its the tune but I cant rule out vacuum or exhaust leaks. Hard to find the "right Guy" locally. everyone is super busy too. Thoughts?
David Strachan I am editing a video and planning to upload tomorrow. I think it will answers all of your questions. Look for the video tomorrow. Thanks for the comment!
Great video dude. Well done
Appreciate it!
Was this a 26/10 or a 28/10.5?
Great video, great information!! Subscibed!
Thanks and welcome to the channel!
Nice video, However I can only say that you're review and advice aspects are based on a stock powered Mustang
What’s size are your tires in the rear
Great info. Thanks
Running tubes?
That 4 door grocery getter put it on you. 12.3 with a 2.2 60ft is no joke. That's a 11 second Charger. 392 or Hellcat?
What size tire you running
I was getting same 60ft on 20s pirelli p zeros 265s 2015 gt 6mt convertible. Very low 1.924. 1.880 with those tires you need to practice more launches.
how lol
Like the color. Wheels also. Nice boss.
Most of your sway doesn't come into play until 600whp cars.
You should put 8lbs in those tires and after your burn out the temp will raise the air pressure to 10-11lbs
Two reasons you didn’t have mush “sway” you ran to much air in them so if you put in 20lbs to start after your burn out the pressure
Would raise 2-3 psi. Due to heating of the air inside the tire.
Second reason is those are 17” wheels an fairly small diameter tires with less side wall then guys to talk about sway on the top end
When he's not running any power to the wheels, it won't matter. Always stop lowering pressure when you get 100% bite. Lowering it past that, will just increase rolling resistance.
Alright maybe I'm confused - but you say that you're running 26x11.5x17 Mickey Thompson ET Street Bias tires? Mickey Thompson does not list that size in the BIAS ET Street on their own website. The MT ET Street R lists that size - but it's a radial.
Hi CB JM. They discontinued this tire last year. The Bias ET is the replacement now I believe. If your running a manual transmission that’s the tire to get. Thanks for watching!
This is where I got lost
Cause I was shopping for a bias ply tire
And was told these mickeys were the way to go
There are 315/50/r17s
Car is a six speed and I’m terrified to put em on and snap my axles or ds
But I’m mostly a street and no prep guy
Am I risking it or go Hoosier bias
What size wheel?
Can you do launches with this tires on a non preped track? Would they work?
I have ET STREET R BIAS PLY from Mickey Thompson and I use them at a no prep event on Friday nights at my track and I hook
Nonprep is fine, I throw them on for fun to run around town stop light to stop light. With a 4.09 rear I can leave the line and hook on the street pretty easily at 4-4.5krpm
They sway on Hwy not drag strip
Where did you find that Rim all in black?
Just plasti dip. Nice and easy
radial front tyres are more direct so if you do get a back end sway you have more chances of steering out from the wall thats with radials on the back also if you have bias ply tyres on the back and radials on the front any type of flex in the bias ply tyre at the rear you will arse end the car into thewall its a fact.what you said is not correct
Its the sidewall height. With those...are they truly rinkle wall? They only have a half inch of movement. Another example of someone with to much money and try a professional sport.
To be honest with you the stock rear ends suck but it also have a lot to do with the driver
What was your 60ft an 1/8 et
1.88 60' and 12.59 ET. Yeah, not taking advice from that guy.
You just copied Alejandro Flores
Grayson Goss facts. Lol
Grayson Goss lol exactly what I was thinking
What size are the bias ply tires and are they the Mt et street type r? Thx
+karam rammo thanks for the question. They are MT ET Street. I believe they are 26.5x17. I would have to double check.
Can you pls make sure of the size cuz I'm on the border line to buy new drag tires also what gears do you run and do you have to shift to 5th? I got 275s on the front so I hope it works for me too lol
+karam rammo no problem. They are 26x11.5x17. On the 1/4 mile I did have to shift into 5th at the end. The car is running the stock 3.73 gears that the boss comes with. Compared to the 285 stock on the car they are little taller. Not by much though. Thanks again for the questions.
Thank you very much for your quick responce. Your content is so on point and very informative and also very confidance inspiring. Now I'm more confertable buying bias ply over a radial. Also my personal opinion is that being a 17" tire with a lower profile tire it actually helped with the sway.
karam rammo thank you so much. I wanted to make this video to help others as I was worried about running this tire as well. Can't wait for next season to come!
Put et radial pros on it either gonna go or break shit
Sean, did you run bias ply up front also, or radials? I'm pausing the camera at certain frames to try to see the front tire and can't make it out haha.
I ask because that's the great controversy and I really want to leave my street radials up front when I run the MT Street Bias Ply on rear.
Ahh nevermind, found where you said it, @ 5:23
Hi Lance. I was running the stock wheels and tires in that video. I am planning on running a front runner (skinny) up front this year. I have also heard mixed things about this combo. We will see how things go this year. Thanks for watching!
Sean MgGuigan
Get those anchors off it up front. Those stock rims are heavy as hell and those tires are too. When going to a dot approved non-slick drag tire in the rear like you have, whether it being a bias ply or radial, the right fronts can give you almost as big of an advantage. If you stick a set of M&H Racemaster Muscle Car Drag fronts in 26x4.50-17 up front, you'll shave at least a quater off your time. It will also make your car be more controllable on the highway. Running wide radials with bias ply tires in the back, is always a recipe for an unstable car when cruising. However, it goes without saying that running the skinnies will of course reduce your steering response and breaking abilities.
How many PSI you running in those 44psi at the track you should be running them between 6-10psi, the skinny front isn’t to get rid of the sway it’s to get better RT’s and the psi on the fronts should be 42-45psi
They last about 2 months on the street.
*Installed and tires balanced perfectly as we all know some MT's do and some dont.💡💡 **allabout.wiki/Mickey** These look amazing and perform just the same. Not to loud not to quiet. Love the look, would recommend.*
and quit turning your head to see other car, head makes wheel go , 2 hands on wheel at all times
U want drag radials not these unless u have a full drag car
False, if you have a manual transmission car you want a bias ply drag tire. Radials will break your drivetrain.
Bad information highl mile an hour an hour in a 400hp car down 1/4 lol 119 tops try going 150 and make a video on that
Drag radials have been 200 mph
I was running high 11’s in early 2k with a v6 lol
Any idiot who places his hand at 12 on a drag strip should be immediately banned.
Bias Ply tires are GREAT for the track. Most of these "issues" from internet gurus comes from people attempting to street drive and street race them in a manner many do with say standard ET street Radials.. Bias Plys on the street isn't a NoGo per say but definitely. NOT smart
+Gil Barnett well said.
Sean McGuigan you sir have a very nice Boss. I'm in the market for one now.. It will be Mustang #6 in my life. I cant wait to find the right one.
Be patient. I did the same thing. Spent months looking for the right car and found this one. This would be my Third Mustang I have personally owned and I have been in love with them since I was a kid.
Gil Barnett before radial tires were invented every car on the road ran bias ply tires with no problems.
sway issue comes from exaggerated under inflation... Just an opinion from cognitive thought process.
Sway? Don't even think of using MT's only in back on a Z06/Z07/ZR1 with run flats or similar high hp, lower weight, better balanced cars. They can be dangerous. On a low power car like this Mustang, they may be better but caution.
Mustang guys think they need maximum grip tires but get max grip with street tires lol
How about runnin 10s or 9s then making this video again. Bet ya won’t be saying the same.
Your tire man will tell you not mix bias ply tires and radials on your car, it's one or the other, or you will feel your rear end shift at random times while on the highway.
Boy you must be a poor driver. If you grip the wheel that hard and can't keep it steady you must no have much experience. Your instructions aren't online because they are foolish. Of course if you're only going 100 you are either a slower car or running eights.