Dragoons vs Immortals, are they a worthy successor? 【Daily StarCraft Brawl】

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024

Комментарии • 170

  • @spamhonx56
    @spamhonx56 2 года назад +389

    Dragoons, watching 2 immortals' pathing mess up seconds into the fight:
    *Yes, worthy successors indeed.*

    • @1wayroad935
      @1wayroad935 2 года назад +35

      Just like old times

    • @madumlao
      @madumlao 2 года назад +28

      They can still... how do you terrans say it... throw it down with the best of them!

    • @zes7215
      @zes7215 Год назад

      no such thing as inherix or etc

  • @Tya.
    @Tya.  2 года назад +238

    Some might ask why not stalkers, given they're literally on the same tier in LotV? And to that I say, dear reader, that look at the time I have to go

    • @Sk801Erik
      @Sk801Erik 2 года назад +37

      But immortals are literally just upgraded dragoons so it makes sense

    • @SuperColeman20
      @SuperColeman20 2 года назад +36

      @@Sk801Erik omg, in all these years I have never noticed an immortal is a litteral dragoon with turret slapped on it until you just said that.

    • @MrDdz
      @MrDdz 2 года назад +4

      Stalkers are dragoon v2. Remember, dragoon is the BW toss' all-in-one for anti air and ground. So is the Stalker.

    • @eddieblanton2981
      @eddieblanton2981 2 года назад +35

      @@MrDdz the Stalker is a Nerazim unit. The Khalai lost the ability to make Dragoons when they lost Auir, so they converted all the remaining Dragoons into Immortals to make them stronger since they could no longer make more. Once Auir was retaken, the Daelaam used the Dragoon tech to upgrade the Stalkers.

    • @MrDdz
      @MrDdz 2 года назад +4

      @@eddieblanton2981 yes lore wise. But game wise it is definitely the stalker that replaces dragoons for the role of the general massed unit.

  • @ZeroSOFInfinity
    @ZeroSOFInfinity 2 года назад +25

    Siege Tanks - "hey Hellbats, can you kindly form a human wall so we can blast these Zergs from afar?"
    Hellbats - "HELL YEAH!"

  • @xan1m440
    @xan1m440 2 года назад +108

    5/5 BOOYEAH
    The dragoon vs Immortal one was a *lot* closer than I had anticipated, though. I thought Immortals would obliterate them.
    Also, the stalkers against the hydras not having blink caught me off guard.

    • @Leonhart_93
      @Leonhart_93 2 года назад +11

      Those were co op Dragoons vs 1v1 Immortals who have barriers that last 2 seconds.

    • @emissarygw2264
      @emissarygw2264 2 года назад +4

      Yup hydras got Hella nerfed. They are pretty garbage now.

    • @brentkaz2915
      @brentkaz2915 2 года назад +4

      Dragoons were only balanced in sc1 because of the poor control. Now that the AI in sc2 doesn't derp around, they are way to good.

    • @DamnDaimen
      @DamnDaimen 2 года назад

      Yeah, dragoons are still anti armor, but they hit air. So dragoons are, pound for pound better.

    • @Leonhart_93
      @Leonhart_93 2 года назад +7

      @@DamnDaimen Yeah, the advantage of the Immortal was supposed to be the superior survivability, but that was nerfed several times by now as apparently hardened shields were too good (not that marine/zergling ever had a problem with that).

  • @Poo_Brain_Horse
    @Poo_Brain_Horse 2 года назад +100

    "Wow that's not a fair match for the Siege Tanks. They're already outnumbered 4 to... oh okay never mind."

    • @Bulmyeolja
      @Bulmyeolja 2 года назад +27

      A good example of a fight where a human player would have won; stutter stepping into the tank dead zone would have made the difference.

    • @laszlogasd
      @laszlogasd 2 года назад +5

      The tanks be like: "I like those odds."

    • @Tobeh
      @Tobeh 2 года назад +3

      I guessed Zerg for the last one and 3 seconds into combat said to myself “oh right ultralisks kinda suck”

    • @ohlookitisacat7404
      @ohlookitisacat7404 2 года назад +1

      @@Tobeh The "Build to lose" unit.

    • @maksimkachar843
      @maksimkachar843 Год назад

      @@laszlogasd then it is a fair fight

  • @Leonhart_93
    @Leonhart_93 2 года назад +18

    Those look like co op Artanis Dragoons vs 1v1 Immortals. Artanis' Dragoons are beasts because their shields regen during combat AND at a 2x rate. Meanwhile, the barrier pf 1v1 Immortal lasts whooping 2 seconds instead of the co op 10.

  • @hyperN1337
    @hyperN1337 2 года назад +35

    Every time I see Abathur send roaches vs siege tanks.
    "How many times do we gotta teach you this lesson old man?"

  • @Darkside007
    @Darkside007 2 года назад +33

    It's nice to see a series of fights *not* decided by blink micro.

  • @Dangerpurple
    @Dangerpurple 2 года назад +11

    I usually think Stalker as replacing the Dragoon, and Immortal replacing the Reaver

    • @TheNobody1324
      @TheNobody1324 2 года назад +2

      The Colossus replaces the Reaver, since the Colossus is a siege unit while the Immortal is not. Immortal doesn’t really replace anything gameplay wise

    • @xanderbackus447
      @xanderbackus447 2 года назад +3

      @@TheNobody1324 immortal and stalker both kind of replace different aspects of the dragoon. The dragoon was a heavy AA and AG ranged support unit used for both versatility in facing mixed enemy compositions and power in breaking heavy ground forces. The stalker is a faster, lighter, softer-hitting ranged AA and AG support unit used for versatility against mixed compositions, while the immortal is a slower, heavier, harder-hitting ranged AG support unit used for breaking heavy enemy ground compositions.
      TLDR the dragoon was split into two units; the stalker for fighting medium-strength air and ground forces and the immortal for kicking the shit out of heavy ground comps.

    • @Nevermore2790
      @Nevermore2790 11 месяцев назад

      Colossus, but also the Disruptor replaces the Reaver.

  • @kk4649k
    @kk4649k 2 года назад +7

    0:39 if stalkers blink micro’d like they did in other videos Protoss would’ve won.

  • @MrEDK1985
    @MrEDK1985 2 года назад +3

    "Where's the love?"
    "You know what I like."
    😆

  • @2010Zanoza2
    @2010Zanoza2 2 года назад +13

    Dragoons are great loss of the SC2 cause they were long range anti air unit and long range anti land unit, Stalkers are short range with small damage. Immortals are expensive and anti land only.

    • @walden6272
      @walden6272 2 года назад +3

      They should add an upgrade for stalkers to morph into dragoons.

    • @DrownedInExile
      @DrownedInExile 2 года назад +3

      Weren't Immortals originally supposed to have anti-air, but got removed? They still have the animation where they point their cannons upwards.

    • @2010Zanoza2
      @2010Zanoza2 2 года назад +2

      @@DrownedInExile Originally immortals had shields that are decreased all the damage to 20 maximum. If they had anti-air for this configuration, it was totally imbalanced. Thors and colossus are useless compared with immortals with anti-air and shields. That's why AA ability was removed firstly after the first wave of tests.

    • @free2chasehappy
      @free2chasehappy 2 года назад +2

      Was one of the saddest day when they drop the Dragoon and gave us Stalkers. Stalkers have great mobility with blink but that is about it...

    • @joseantoniomelgarflores6943
      @joseantoniomelgarflores6943 Год назад

      You are right!

  • @lorddryp
    @lorddryp 2 года назад +13

    Dragoons are so cool units, main fire power in SC1. Shame they removed them from multiplayer.

  • @momom6197
    @momom6197 2 года назад +1

    Man those were tough ones today! Incredibly tense but still extremely fast-paced, I love it!

  • @samueltrusik3251
    @samueltrusik3251 Год назад +3

    It is good to see the Immortals and Dragoons be so perfectly matched. It is kinda poetic.

  • @pacerrecap6386
    @pacerrecap6386 2 года назад +7

    Round2: Stalkers not blinking?

  • @josueantonio12
    @josueantonio12 2 года назад +15

    Why aren't stalkers blinking when taking hull damage?

    • @Nelforr
      @Nelforr 2 года назад +3

      In the Zealot+Stalker they didn't have blink but in the Colossus+Stalker they had according to graphics. I didn't see any blinks at all, so something is definitely wrong.

    • @dennisyoung6122
      @dennisyoung6122 2 года назад +1

      @@Nelforr In the Colossus+Stalker the Colossi also were getting targeted early despite being in the backline.

    • @maxchristopherson9909
      @maxchristopherson9909 2 года назад +5

      @@dennisyoung6122 that is normal thor behavior. They target air first for some reason. The stalker behavior was strange though

    • @SaulGoodman3D2049
      @SaulGoodman3D2049 2 года назад +2

      @@dennisyoung6122 Thor AI prioritizes air units over ground because that's primarily what they're meant to be countering. Because colossi are so tall they could be hit by AA and the thor's AA outranges its anti-ground, they attack the colossi first when they get in range.

  • @zmangkrd5312
    @zmangkrd5312 2 года назад +3

    Immortals, the epitome of putting a Thor upper half on the lower half of a dragoon shape wise.

  • @jimmyha1898
    @jimmyha1898 2 года назад +14

    Oh BABY my FIRST 5/5!! Those were some close fights. The Dragoons almost pinching out the win against Chadmortals. Just 1 more hit!! That one had me sweating buckets 😜

  • @mattender8323
    @mattender8323 2 года назад +13

    3:1 - overestimated Ultras… and inderestimated Tanks I guess

  • @jooseph
    @jooseph 2 года назад +2

    I would love to see ghosts launching nukes vs huge mass of whichever unit

  • @AverageDrafter
    @AverageDrafter 2 года назад +1

    I'm so used to Stalkers blinking that I literarily was unnerved by them just standing there and dying like everybody else.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 2 года назад

      it gladdens me. i really dislike the blink micro.

  • @Burt1038
    @Burt1038 2 года назад +1

    Comparing dragoons to immortals: obviously dragoons are an OP unit that's why their role in SC2 was split up into the immortal and the stalker. The only reason it was balanced in Brood War is because of the crappy unit AI. Same reason Goliath isn't in multiplayer either.

  • @TheSynrise
    @TheSynrise 2 года назад +2

    Are Thors the MVP of this entire series?
    Seems like they win almost every fight they're in

    • @jigokutsuushin
      @jigokutsuushin 2 года назад +3

      I don't keep track of the numbers, but Banelings, Siege Tanks, Thors, and Immortals are some of the most frequent winners I see.

  • @stephensloane2362
    @stephensloane2362 2 года назад

    Have you ever used firebats in your videos? Or stukovs Alexander? Great vids by the way.

  • @KILLKIDspeedrun
    @KILLKIDspeedrun 2 года назад +1

    You forgot to give the stalkers blink vs terran. It says they had blink. I lost 50$ on that one :(

  • @jonsku6662
    @jonsku6662 2 года назад +12

    Abathur: "Dislike-"
    Me: "What? Why?!"
    Abathur: "Swarm must compensate for.. weakness"
    Me: "Oh, you weren't talking about the video..."
    Abathur: "... What?"

  • @KingOfMadCows
    @KingOfMadCows Год назад

    Dragoons did much better than I expected. They can also attack air, so that's an advantage over Immortals.

  • @genoxz7226
    @genoxz7226 2 года назад

    marauder-im in a world of hurt
    ghost - you're on
    marauder - wheres the love
    ghost - you know what i like
    SUS

  • @Wuckadetscha
    @Wuckadetscha 2 года назад

    4/5 did bet that ghost would have gotten the win, epic music.

  • @Juice-chan
    @Juice-chan 2 года назад

    Siege Tanks & Battle Cruisers. My favourite units.

  • @achromicwhite2309
    @achromicwhite2309 2 года назад +1

    Did anyone else laugh at the final roach being blown off of the entire screen? xD

  • @94ionut
    @94ionut 2 года назад +1

    i do not take kindly to the fact that i have been lied to, the stalker colossi vs thor marines should've been a decisive protoss win... but the stalkers never blinked even though it showed they have the upgrade

  • @commentsaretrue4570
    @commentsaretrue4570 2 года назад +1

    What does the thing under the cost mean

  • @tomaO2
    @tomaO2 2 года назад

    -First match was annoying. Immortals should have won, except for bad pathing.
    -Second match was interesting. The marines got wiped out FAST, but the thors were just too tanky for the protoss, and ended up winning.
    -What the heck happened with that Marauder vs ghost match? The ghosts wiped out FOUR HUNDRED enemies, they actually outnumbered the maruders for a bit, but then their kills just dropped off like a stone, and the marauders ended up winning. Were they using the snipe special? It doesn't seem to show mana use for special abilities.
    -I liked the last fight. Hell bats gave enough time for siege to deploy, and it was fortunate that roaches don't do melee, so they got wiped.

  • @phongt324
    @phongt324 2 года назад

    isnt stalker was the one who replace dragoon as range tier 0 unit of protoss?

  • @cristianperezbrunet7944
    @cristianperezbrunet7944 2 года назад +1

    Dragoons were cheaper, are a Gateway unit and Attack air, so I take it as a big no no. I love Immortals anyways, cool antitank unit, a shame what they did to their shield passive tho :(

  • @skylerjr2648
    @skylerjr2648 4 месяца назад

    Marauder vs Ghost was satisfying. Regardless of outcome.

  • @gimmethegepgun
    @gimmethegepgun 2 года назад +1

    Heh, I forgot that Thors get to shoot Colossi with their anti-air attack.

  • @ZC.Andrew
    @ZC.Andrew 2 года назад

    I want to see mass male Ghosts vs mass female Ghosts, just so we can hear the ridiculous non-stop death yells from both sides.

  • @user-de5nd6oz6x
    @user-de5nd6oz6x 2 года назад +1

    Dragoons can shoot up and have a larger range, which is not taken into consideration in this test.

  • @furtivetef805
    @furtivetef805 2 года назад +2

    Ah, back from holiday. Two weeks worth of these videos await me!

  • @sebru
    @sebru Год назад

    Shouldn't it be adepts instead of stalkers?

  • @TheVoidIsCold
    @TheVoidIsCold 2 года назад +1

    If the roaches had moved like 2 steps forward they would have won. This is my biggest complaint with the series in general. The AI isn't very smart, so it does dumb thing like not stepping forward or not targeting enemies who have like 5 hp first

    • @momom6197
      @momom6197 2 года назад +3

      You think only AI is so dumb? I see we're not even in the same league!

    • @TheVoidIsCold
      @TheVoidIsCold 2 года назад

      @@momom6197 No I think humans are dumb too, but even a bronze league player like me can tell you that you should target units that have lower health and that you should step into the minimum range of siege tanks so they can't shoot you.

  • @davidjeanmichel8358
    @davidjeanmichel8358 2 года назад

    just got a pewpewgasm with the ghosts

  • @tacticalnukegaming8979
    @tacticalnukegaming8979 Год назад +1

    Thors never cease to disgust me

  • @WJen8
    @WJen8 2 года назад

    Holy moly I think this might be my first 5/5 on this channel. Nice 👍
    Almost wanna see one where I get 0/5 just to balance it out and to see quirky matchups 😂

  • @lyctriangle
    @lyctriangle 2 года назад +1

    Immortals are made from old dragoon parts and veteran protoss. Experience wins

  • @GatorWinup
    @GatorWinup Год назад

    Showing just one gets one has paid for.

  • @VasiliyOgniov
    @VasiliyOgniov 2 года назад

    Wait, why stalkers didn't blink?

  • @karlbergman5678
    @karlbergman5678 2 года назад

    You should have abathur beatbox at the end of one of these

  • @TheRooster1337
    @TheRooster1337 2 года назад

    What does the blue and red symbol mean? In the first round it says 2550 for immortals, and 2500 for dragoons

    • @ryapowa
      @ryapowa 2 года назад

      That is the time it takes to produce said units

    • @ryapowa
      @ryapowa 2 года назад +1

      That is the time it takes to produce said units

    • @TheRooster1337
      @TheRooster1337 2 года назад

      @@ryapowa Thanks but doesn't a immortal take 39 seconds to produce? 10 immortals should take 390 seconds then. What unit of time are they using for it to be 2550?

    • @ryapowa
      @ryapowa 2 года назад

      @@TheRooster1337 I wonder if it includes the techs then?

    • @ZC.Andrew
      @ZC.Andrew Год назад

      I believe it's the resource cost in the Direct Strike map

  • @daemonredfield3211
    @daemonredfield3211 Год назад

    Lets run this test again, but with Starcraft 1 pathing!

  • @elliejohnson2786
    @elliejohnson2786 2 года назад

    Stalkers not blinking?

  • @joltzerx4019
    @joltzerx4019 2 года назад

    Why didn't the stalker use blink in rd2? It also looked like the Thors were focus firing on the colossi

    • @JJ-qo7th
      @JJ-qo7th 2 года назад +3

      Thors prioritize their air attack when they can, I think. Their air attack is actually meaner than their ground attack.

    • @ZC.Andrew
      @ZC.Andrew Год назад

      @@JJ-qo7th It's not meaner, but it's longer ranged. The Thor will switch to its heavier-hitting AG attack when Colossi get close enough.

  • @biserrizov6863
    @biserrizov6863 2 года назад

    4/5 so close...the last one did me in :D

  • @free2chasehappy
    @free2chasehappy 2 года назад

    Immortal is a poor successor to Dragoons. Dragoons can shoot air and have better range. And you need 250 extra minerals to win... Add 2-3 zealots on the Dragoon side and there is no chance that the Immortals will win.

  • @Mexican00b
    @Mexican00b 2 года назад

    still waiting for bunker vs canon vs zerg one... OH OH OH, Put the old zerg defensive building too!

  • @JosueC730
    @JosueC730 2 года назад

    Inmortals can't replace Dragoons because they can't attack air.

  • @FlyingDominion
    @FlyingDominion Год назад

    4/5. Much better than usual for me.

  • @alphacentauri3069
    @alphacentauri3069 2 года назад

    Ok ok cool, but WHAT IF SIEGE TANKS COULD MOVE IN SIEGE MODE?!?!

  • @L3monsta
    @L3monsta 2 года назад

    Those roaches would have won if they engaged in melee combat

  • @yesiam4610
    @yesiam4610 2 года назад

    GAHHHH 2/5 started hot then blew it. Hellbats are so shit that even when I pick against them they let me down

  • @scrubadubdub1067
    @scrubadubdub1067 2 года назад +1

    Second 100%! 5/5

  • @reallyhightemplar4013
    @reallyhightemplar4013 2 года назад

    Dragoons are better than immortals simply because they attack air. If immortals did splash damage it would compensate for it, but they don’t

  • @user-iz2tq3dx5d
    @user-iz2tq3dx5d 2 года назад

    how to load a bunker with marina in the editor please help

  • @gokublack8342
    @gokublack8342 Год назад

    Roaches wouldve won had they gottten closer to prevent the tanks from shooting

  • @52flyingbicycles
    @52flyingbicycles 2 года назад

    4/5 why didn’t the stalkers use blink against the thors 😞

  • @Cyberium
    @Cyberium 2 года назад

    Stalkers in #2 didn’t blink away at all, I wonder why.

    • @Santisima_Trinidad
      @Santisima_Trinidad 2 года назад

      Presumably a combination of people complaining about blink "micro", and blink making stalkers worse in these fights. Turns out running away often isn't a good way to win battles

  • @Steelflex33
    @Steelflex33 2 года назад

    3/5- thought ghost would do better with the snipes than they did

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo 2 года назад

    admit you subtract a third of zerg's rightful lings just so protoss would win!
    but, if losing blink is the price, it's totally worth it.

  • @billjameson1254
    @billjameson1254 2 года назад

    Not terribly given that goons can shoot air.

  • @wnjbn8906
    @wnjbn8906 2 года назад

    Finally 5/5

  • @iamneil8271
    @iamneil8271 2 года назад

    5/5 finally

  • @ΜάριοςΛογιώτατος
    @ΜάριοςΛογιώτατος 2 года назад

    5/5 oh yea! i didnt except

  • @UnshotSpy
    @UnshotSpy 2 года назад

    I think dragoons are still way cooler in sound design though

  • @caimstear
    @caimstear 2 года назад

    2/5, zealots are sooooo good

  • @jacobjimenez3240
    @jacobjimenez3240 2 года назад

    For once, hellions don't lose? Insane

  • @OMIMreacts
    @OMIMreacts 2 года назад

    aww 4/5 because i overestimated ultras again

  • @minimalgrammar1276
    @minimalgrammar1276 Год назад +1

    4/5

  • @ОлегХореев
    @ОлегХореев Год назад

    So many dragoon shots wasted on dead targets...

  • @madumlao
    @madumlao 2 года назад

    Always bet on Thors and bio.

  • @pontypilat_0338
    @pontypilat_0338 2 года назад

    I overestimated zerglings too much. Actually they are just small pieces of shi*

  • @Rain-zo5bh
    @Rain-zo5bh 2 года назад +4

    I think on same costs Dragoons could've won

    • @JustAnOrdinaryDemon
      @JustAnOrdinaryDemon 2 года назад

      I mean they were even on gas, and immorals were just a little more expensive on minerals

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 2 года назад +1

      @@JustAnOrdinaryDemon one more dragoon and they'd win. in fact i think it's already a coin toss, run this a thousand times and they will both win a ton. i'd bet immortals win the majority still, but dragoons would win a lot too.

  • @chaotixthefox
    @chaotixthefox 2 года назад

    5/5 baby

  • @WuW0w0-m8m
    @WuW0w0-m8m 2 года назад

    So dragoon is actually a better unit….

  • @Sr.DudeGuy
    @Sr.DudeGuy 2 года назад +1

    Have a good day!

  • @tachodemierda
    @tachodemierda 2 года назад

    3/5

  • @hoangtrunganh
    @hoangtrunganh 2 года назад

    Terran 1 ♪

  • @scifitoilet
    @scifitoilet 2 года назад

    someone take away my terran card. I blasphemed and voted against the tanks.

  • @user-hn2mu6ut2v
    @user-hn2mu6ut2v Год назад

    Hate Zerg 😟

  • @johnkovacs1318
    @johnkovacs1318 2 года назад

    Again I wonk about sad pathetic AI, the Thors should have done the siege ability immediatly after getting into position and not sat there for a good second or two THEN just fired normally, the Roaches against the siege tanks should have moved in real close like and they would have won.

  • @fujisan0388
    @fujisan0388 2 года назад

    2/5

  • @bublebob
    @bublebob 2 года назад

    5/5 hellyee

  • @zes7215
    @zes7215 Год назад

    wrr

  • @trkms
    @trkms 2 года назад

    1. Imms 2. Mars 3. Ghost 4. Prot 6. Zerg

  • @matis8287
    @matis8287 2 года назад

    4/5, Dragoons actually suck

  • @user-zv3mc4lq8w
    @user-zv3mc4lq8w 2 года назад

    2/5😒

  • @jazzydominion1411
    @jazzydominion1411 2 года назад

    4/5! les go!

  • @MaxMikescrool1
    @MaxMikescrool1 2 года назад

    some might ask cus they're the big gay. Dragoons were replaced by Immortals and Stalkers.

    • @chaotixthefox
      @chaotixthefox 2 года назад +1

      Dragoons became Immortals.

    • @SaulGoodman3D2049
      @SaulGoodman3D2049 2 года назад +2

      @@chaotixthefox Dragoons became immortals in lore, they got replaced by stalkers in gameplay.