I always felt that with Deadpool's 4th wall breaks he could literally and figuratively clap the Timelines Cheeks whenever he pleases so logic is sent to the void.
It's actually pretty simple how to make sense of it all. Here's how I look at it: although the Fox X-Men universe is given the designation of 10005, we have to remember that the TVA's own timeline here is after the events in the Loki series, which means timeline branches are no longer being clipped. 10005 wouldn't just be one long branch, it would have many branches of its own. Deadpool's timeline doesn't have to be on the same branch of 10005 as the film Logan or any of the other X-Men film's for it to still be considered part of 10005. 10005 is just the root branch of all those timelines. All the branches of 10005, however, would be impacted by the events of Logan because he is the anchor being for that entire universe, all its branches included.
Very simple and straight to the point. And makes it less depressing to know that all the events in the X-Men movies prior to Logan aren't guaranteed to lead to Logan lol.
Yeah, it makes for both a nice callback to X2 where Logan stabs Scott's car radio for playing it and for Wade dancing to it causing mayhem. It sets up how both are by default conflicting personalities.
@@GeneralBulldog54what actually happened is that Pyro turned on the radio in the car because he didn’t like uncomfortable silences and Logan turned it off and accidentally opened up the (for lack of a better term) X-phone that he used to call Jean and Storms
The Marvel wiki explained that the Deadpool movies were always part of the X-Men timeline, and earth 41633 is the timeline in Deadpool 2, until Deadpool goes back in time to save Venessa, which reverts everything back to the X-Men timeline.
An indication of the fact that Deadpool was aware of the existence of the 616 Earth was when he said to Cable "Zip it, Thanos!" In regards to how is Wolverine dead if the movie takes place in 2024, the answer is that not the whole movie takes place in 2024. If you remember from Loki, the tempad allows them to travel at any point in time. And because Wolverine's death was an absolute point, the tempad wouldn't allow Deadpool to change the events of that timeline and so it would only allow him to travel at any point after Logan's death.
Logan dying isn't a nexus event, right? Because a Nexus event is where the timeline changes from it's original path (for example when Loki escapes with the tesseract and then gets caugth by the TVA). Logan dying is supose to happen. So yeah, I guess Deadpool couldn't prevent Logans death because of that reason.
@@k1ss3c47I think the commenter meant "fixed point" to use the terminology of the MCU sorcerers. In the Sony spider verse movies they're called Canon events
Sometimes, the differences between universes in the multiverse vary wildly. Sometimes, the only difference is one tiny thing you’d never notice, and everything else matches closely.
"I can say without a doubt that there are an infinite number of universes. Some are just like our own.. but for one or two significant events, exactly the same." - Lex Luthor
That's how I always thought of it. There are also universes that can be wildy different but still have other major events take place the same way, with slight differences ofc, or no differences at all
2 things. 1. So why didn't Deadpool go for a Wolverine in timeline 10005 before the events of Logan? 2. If Cassandra Nova tapped into the mind of Wolverine and saw all of 10005 events, wouldn't that mean that Wolverine is a Nexus being for the fox franchise?.
1. I mean even in 2024 logan is alive, it wouldn't make a difference. 2. nexus beings are beings that exist in all universes. (ex scarlett witch). cassandra nova saw things that this wolverine might have experienced/will experience in his timeline, and also experiences of other wolverines in the multiverse through his dreams. does not necessarily mean he is a nexus being
to answer your first question because that wolverine was destined to be the reason his universe is destroyed. Logan was dying regardless because of the anumantium poison from the metal graphed to his bones. He had to get a wolverine who wouldn't suffer from the same poisoning
@@bencomics2123exactly. He was dying because the high fructose corn syrup mutant poison was suppressing his healing power to ward off the poisoning from his skeleton. "Worst" Wolverine's timeline apparently didn't have that happen because the humans took out the X-Men so didn't have to resort to poisoning the food chain.
The explanation is that it’s a vapid comic book movie and you’re thinking way too deep into it. Just enjoy it for what it is. Sure if this was Dune or a Nolan movie you could criticize the plot holes but the MCU has been doing stuff like this for over a decade now 😂
I just assumed when Deadpool got the tenpad from the TVA after he beat up paradox he can go anywhere with it which it explains why he can time travel to after Logan’s death
Deadpool is completely aware of the opinion of people in the real world, so he wouldn't dare to prevent the events of "Logan" because he knows that movie was pretty well received by the public. And even though, within universe Logan's death will happen in 2029, for DP it already happened, in the same year the movie was released in our timeline, which is proved by the intro of "Deadpool 2".
The way I see it, Deadpool is completely bound by story limits… unless it’s a cameo. Deadpool can break the boundaries of time and space but ONLY for a joke or a cameo.
Logan wasn't a bleak or dystopian future, Logan and Charles were just in a crappy situation. Everywhere they go -- farms, stores, hotel, etc. -- life is going on as normal for most people.
Dystopian doesn't necessarily mean decimated. Buying up food distribution to dose it with gene therapeutic drugs with the implied consent of the government is pretty dystopic.
ah u must be one of those guys that as long as most people doing their dailies in life means everything gucci. no poverty, no war, no climate change. yep okay
@@microscopic.caterpill An MCU flick is not an A24 flick. Sometimes it's nice to just sit back and be entertained for the sake of it. Not everyone cares about the comic lore or deviations from it.
Ryan Reynolds said it himself, he just wanted to make the film entertaining and comedy with lots and lots of nostalgia. Pretty sure films like avengers doomsday and secret wars will explain it.
No Happy did not know about the X-Men or even know Deadpool before that scene, plus The X-Men are in a whole different Universe. Watch the movie again, Deadpool traveled to the main Universe to try to become an Avenger and back to his afterwards.
So the definite timeline is: 1. First Class 2. Days of Future Past 3. Apocalypse 4. X-Men Origins Wolverine (Erased) 5. Dark Phoenix 6. X-Men 2000 7. X2 8. The Last Stand (erased) 9. The Wolverine 10. Deadpool 11. Deadpool 2 12. Days of Future Past (Prologue - erased, Ending) 13. Deadpool and Wolverine 14. Logan
@@dariannunez the movie opens in a post apocalyptic future set in 2023 before Logan is set back in time by Kitty Pryde to 1973. This prologue gets erased once they stop mystique from killing Bolivar Trask then being captured and experimented for the sentinals
Honestly, I think the Wolverine that we got in the movie is the Wolverine from the animated series. Last I checked, X-Men '97 was included in the MCU. It would explain the comic accurate suits, the fact that he's over 200 years old (as the Logan from the animated series is over 200 years), and that the X-Men were killed off by humans, as the tension of that is pretty high in that universe.
Time was happening all at once in the TVA, but Paradox’s whole drive is he doesn’t wanna wait 2000 years so he shouldn’t have to wait right? Its all already happening
I think it's more like watching the timeline break down while in the TVA opposed to seeing the events within the timeline over a thousand years. Cause they've seen and will see them all always. But if the power of that timeline dissapears that's more abstract. Like in loki watching the branches dying off
I have just chalked up that each universe has its own rules and regulations regarding continuity and timeliness and the 'Mutant' timeline is just maluable as much as it needs to be. While the 616 timeliness are far more strict and tight (even with recasts and hiccups on their timeline)
Saying he's been around for 200 years, even as Iwas seating and watching it, I'm like, Wolverine should remember Wade, then to some extent when they were in the unit together, finding that meteorite. A much younger wade to what we will then see of him.
Just because he knows how old he is dosen't mean he remembers anything that happened before stryker shot him with the bullet that took those memories away.
The events of Age of Apocalypse and Origins actually happen at the same time in different timelines so the team with Liev Schreiber Sabertooth, Blob, Will i am etc existing after Days of future past is ambiguous but it's more likely that Stryker spearheaded the Weapon X programme as we see it in Age of apocalypse instead.
I love that we’re trying to dissect the timeline/time travel logic of the immortal comic book character who interacts with reality and is basically a 4th dimensional being lol
It all makes a lot more sense if you look at it from the meta perspective that a "Timeline" is a Franchise and an "Anchor Being" is your lead actor/character that holds that franchise together. The X-Men movie franchise/timeline is dying/dead without Wolverine.
DOFP and Logan will always be separate in my mind because if all of Logan's efforts in DOFP just lead to Logan's bleak events... That just ruins everything. Mutant kids were running around the mansion so that contradicts lines in Logan that claims that no mutants have been born in decades.
No Logan means that after those kids grew up none of them were unable to have mutant children as they were wiped out and no other mutant children were born
So when Deadpool does the montage of finding Wolverines, he is using a TVA device which as Loki established does jump time and space really easily. Skeleton Logan and the main Logan in this movie are not from the same universe. The Cassandra finding memories that shouldn't belong is Strange - but could be not only living moments but dreaming moments as in the Multiverse of Madness explains. At the moment Marvel does have a problem that if there is an answer for every logic misstep, then nothing feels at stake anymore.
Or or hear me out the wolverine in the movie went through the same set of events as the original wolverine. A lot of marvel comics have universes similar to 616 before a event happen or everything was like 616 until...
Y’all both right but why would marvel give “bad”wolverine Logan memories if there two different variants ?? Nd lost there teams two different ways ?it doesn’t make sense but ig Cassandra was tryna give him Logan past memories idk it didn’t make sense as a marvel fan but as a movie watcher it’s enjoyable
Why shouldn't they belong? This Wolverine most likely had the same story as the wolverine we know. The scenes from Logan could be after all the X-Men are killed and he started killing and let himself go (by this i mean how he looks, his beard etc)
Probably the event that makes the difference between the two timelines was the way the Xmen got killed. In DaW, the Xmen were killed by humans. In Logan, the Xmen were killed by Charles when he had a telepathic seizure. Everything before that happens exactly the same for both "Logans".
My son and I absolutely loved this movie!!!! I haven’t left the theater feeling so pumped and excited in a very long time. It truly is a wonderful movie! Seeing some of the favorites from my childhood back in uniform on the big screen was amazing
@erikvoss I have a crazy theory...maybe...just maybe (go with me here)...it could be due to the fact of Logan's long-life and acquiring these visions or entanglements through his dreams. Since we learned in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness when you dream, you see the other variants of yourself, that it could've somehow been tied up when Cassandra Nova pried into his head. The reason I think this may be the case is because of what happen to Nebula in Endgame. Now the point, they're in the void, Wolverine hadn't been in another universe to "entangled" his mind, maybe time with telepaths like Charles and Jean after Days of Future Past rubberbanded them altogether...and that's my theory
Cavill can bring a cold, calculating demeanor to the character, showcasing Sinister’s intelligence and manipulative nature. And coming from DC's universe, his interactions with other characters should be marked by a sense of superiority and a deep understanding of their weaknesses
Exactly, timelines can run very close to each other. This movie could've still had a Wolverine that died a heroic death similar to Logan but with slightly different circumstances.
Why no one is talking about the opening scene of Deadpool 2 when Deadpool addresses that the wolverine is dead in his universe?. He did not travel back to the past then.
One thing I didn’t get was if Deadpool and Wolverine is set in 2024 and Logan died in 2029 why does wade need to go in search of a Logan when there already exists one in his universe
@@malachibanks6357Then I think they should have made the Deadpool movies be their own universe and have the fox universe be set in 2036, which is 7 years after the 2029 setting in Logan (2017) OR they should have made the Logan movie be its own universe and let the Deadpool movies be in the same universe as the other Fox movies.
Yeah when I saw this in the movie theater I was like wait a minute if Logan death hasn’t happened and DeadPool is in the TVA finding this out (well he already knew about Logan’s future death) and he could’ve gotten this Logan\Wolverine at his current timeline. But I guess since they didn’t want to touch on this version of Wolverine they said ok he’s off limits. Well since now the MCU is all about the multiverse they can hand pick random wolverine’s from out of the multiverse. And make him appear in other movies until he’s 90!!! Maybe we can get a full depth commentary when the film is out on DVD.
I think Gamit said it best … actually, the best thing from Multiverse of Madness is the concept of dreams being conduits | glimpses into other universes - especially if you dream about plot holes
Cavill’s natural charisma can be used to make Sinister both charming and terrifying. This duality would make him a compelling villain, capable of both subtle manipulation and outright intimidation
Guys, it's very simple. Don't over-complicate it. Logan was released in 2017, set in 2029 timeline, which is the revised DOFP timeline. Yes, Logan is part of post DOFP timeline. Deadpool 2 was released in 2018, set in 2018, the events of Logan would have still happened in 2029, BUT in deadpool 2, Wade uses cable's time travel device a lot through the movie and in the post credits, which could have changed lot of events in post DOFP timeline. Events like Logan could have happened in 2020 or 2022. Many things could have changed.
Then how are the three X-Men that’s been with Wade in his films still around if they’re meant to be dead as a result of Xavier’s seizure that kills most of the mutant population.
Set up Sinister as a recurring villain, whose plans and machinations span multiple films. This would allow Cavill to explore the character’s depth over time, making him a persistent threat to the heroes.
Cavill’s imposing physique would be accentuated with a sleek, dark costume featuring Sinister’s iconic red diamond on his forehead and chest. The costume could blend Victorian elements with modern technology, reflecting his long history and advanced knowledge so dark it comes from the DC universe.
I loved this movie, moreso even than the second one. Deadpool's humor was great, his and Wolverine's chemistry was amazing, and Hugh's acting added a welcome gravitas and seriousness when needed. Their argument and fight in the care showcased how good both their characters and their acting works with each other. And the film overall worked really well. The whole theater kept laughing out loud over and over. And that opening sequence is probably the best one I've seen since The Two Towers.
Why was Deadpool doing the spiderman thwip, thwips in the van? Where was Blades trench coat, unique katana and gun? Why did Wolverines costume lose more and more arm material as the movie progressed? I loved the movie and I'm going to go see it again and again, but little nagging questions such as these pulled me out of the story telling wondering, why?
@@MECHFILMS_or maybe the writers just overlook it and did not take any “multiverse” logic seriously.. i mean its a deadpool movie, people will just stress their mind out if they think too deep about this stuff 😂
I think the reason why "worst" wolverine has visions from the other Wolverines when Nova tap his mind, is because in the movie X-men origins : Wolverine 2009, that Wolverine always have nightmares that haunts him. Maybe its not his nightmares but other variants actual life that he is dreaming. Meaning Wolverine has this so called link of bad memories from all the other Wolverines.
It made no sense to me i gotta watch it a couple more times but it was stillva great movie . It makes sense cause the whole X-Men universe definitely was already messy
10:22. The plot hole can be fixed really easily. Colossus is seen eating cereal in the first Deadpool. And we know from LOGAN that Essex Corp. has been putting the Mutant cure in food and drinks to suppress mutants from gaining their powers. The X-Men are all young in 2018 but age rapidly in 5-6 years because of their diets and food affecting their genes/powers that keep them youthful: hence why they are as old as they were in the OG trilogy by the time of 2023/DOFP
They do have the Blackbird, and they could have gotten authorization from Charles to attend Wade's birthday to "Check up on him" Maybe Colossus would have brought up the subject of Wade taking another shot at the X-Men before the TVA arrived. With the arrival of the alternate Logan and X-23, Charles with his knowledge of alternate timelines from X-Men Days of Future's Past, could have just told Colossus to leave Logan be with Wade Wilson while he figures out possible ramifications to his own timeline,before telling his Logan and X-Men what's going on.
Deadpool and Logan belong to the same universe. Pulled the OG x-men’s Wolverine to go on a void adventure. Hence all the cameos are the OG trilogy characters. Not that deep tho
Dont get me wrong ... I liked the movie ... but this whole multiverse and timelines thing is a mess not only for Marvel but for all movies that deals with time travel ...
I always figured that since Deadpool went back to kill old Deadpool from Origins, himself before Green Lantern, etc in D2 that he could always jump back and forth in time, so seeing him in Logan wasn't much of a jump in logic. In addition, when Paradox showed DP his dying timeline, the white line was travelling backwards, suggesting it doesn't matter when an anchor being died, the death of the timeline would travel both forward and backward along that timeline.
Yesss, this was my first thought coming out of the cinema I was looking at how it connects in the timeline. But I always assumed the Deadpool films fit in the X-men universe, same with Logan.
Does it actually say that 10005 is the main Fox X-men timeline? Or just that it’s the universe where Logan & Deadpool take place (also allowing that the events of Logan could occur in multiple universes)?
Deadpool 1 set in 2026 Deadpool 2 set in 2028 Deadpool And Wolverine set is 2034 Explains Logans corpse Stefan is an aged Collosus X Men camoes in DP2 is a tease for Dark Phoenix
two variants can have some memories in common, as they become separate entities after the NEXUS event has happened. Loki and Loki from Loki series have similar childhood memories, but they are not the same entity anymore. It is about free will, and circumstances.
The idea that multiple Wolverines are existing at the same time does not make sense. The TVA states the world is ending due to the anchor being being dead, but from a universal, all-seeing perspective that the TVA has, Logan has always been dead AND alive, as there's points in time both versions of the characters have existed if you observe the entire timeline at once. That then concludes, either the world cannot possibly be ending, due to Logan still "being alive", or that anchor beings have a special characteristic of once they die, they are erased from any points in time other than their death (kinda like how Peter Parker is erased from all memory, Logan is erased from all time. He still existed, but isn't 'present') And once they are fully dead, their remains are just objects devoid of life, persisting forever (which is how Deadpool can desecrate his corpse)
@loganblevenson Honestly, time in the TVA has stopped making sense. What you said is true, the timeline should already be gone from their perspective. It's not like they are now about to witness what will happen. And the concept of an anchor being makes no sense too. What happens in the years before such a being is born. Why does the death of one individual just lead to the whole universe dying? So must the individual be immortal all the time?
Another way of explaining this stuff is that Deadpool's time travel shennanigans set back the events of logan by some years. Like it happened in 2019 instead of 2029 and mutant kind has recovered in the 5 years since then.
Youre telling me Mutants were driven to extinction, and Logan and Xavier aged into super old people in just five years? Sure buddy. Simple explanation is that they didn't think about it.
Well, Xavier would’ve been almost 100 in 2029, and Logan’s healing factor slowed (aging process quickened) because of adamantium poisoning and an ability-dampening thing that was added to corn, which is what makes the alcohol he drinks. So it is entirely possible for them to have aged up that much.
@@zaarthwrencould be, but honestly even if you think about it, it doesn't make sense... from 2024 a healthy utopian timeline to 2029 a dystopian timeline? Math ain't mathin.
Well yea because that’s what was written in Logan, the corn syrup caused a decay in mutant births as well as poisoned the already living ones, he actually explained it quite well in his videos on it
@@yourfavoritedearjordan23 It's also stated in this video and the movie that the extinction was very gradual so people didn't notice. I'm sorry but five years isn't gradual
OR...This movie wasn't in 2024 at all. He jumped BACK to Earth-616 in 2018 because his goal was specifically to be on the Avengers team with Captain America/Steve Rogers( as evidenced by him fan-boying over Steve Rogers the whole movie). Then after he was turned down, he went to his own universe (and time) and THEN 6 years passed. It's in the future relative to us like the MCU is.
I'm with you. At no point during this movie did I think about the logic of the timeline. It's Deadpool. It doesn't matter. This flick was just a helluva good time.
Thats how I was with FoX-men. I just enjoyed the ride and had some fun trying to fit stuff in but the MCU really made everyone have to fit some pre-planned cannon. Sadly its the MCU strict timeline that (for me) bogs down Deadpool because the other 2 Deadpools always was outside of the timeline (hense mentioned Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart etc. )I feared that the MCU would try to cap that down and to some extent they did and here we are lol
I was thinking that we know with Logan in '29 there are no mutants left. The TVA went back a few years of that timeline to find Deadpool because DP is not anymore by '29. This helped me to get a bit of clarity about the timelines and by DP going to 616 and 6 years back we know the TVA can see time as a whole and DP can travel to different times in any timeline.
The X-Men timeline has always made sense to me and I'm of the opinion that there aren't really any plot holes whatsoever (if you pay attention) but the one thing I struggled with trying to make sense of in Deadpool & Wolverine was why did MCU Wolverine have 10005 Logan's memories, and your explanation about the multiverse dreams from Multiverse of Madness completely fixed it for me and I can't believe I didn't put the piece it together myself sooner. It might be a reach but it's atleast a logical one, I assumed the whole multiverse dream thing was just a MCU thing but if the fox universe is now kinda connected to the MCU now ofcourse there would be links like that. Well done.
Technically speaking, each timeline branches off from a specific point of the sacred timeline so, if you travel back far enough in any timeline you will enter the sacred timeline at the point of the branch off.
B-15 said that what they did by destroying the time ripper rebooted their timeline. Possibly changing the events that cause them to lose their anchor being. I think their act of sacrifice changed a key event in this timeline, ie Xavier passing away before his seizures took hold.
Very good analysis on the timelines here. It took me several days if not weeks to come to the same conclusion. I kinda get annoyed when people say, "Oh, it's Deadpool. It's not supposed to make sense." But this movie actually took the time to give us years and universe numbers and it actually makes sense. The 2 lingering issues here is the prequel Xmen showing up in Deadpool and technically all the prequel Xmen movies. Those actors never age even decades into their stories. I suppose we can shrug it off as suspension of disbelief. Or maybe we could also ignore Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix as not cannon since they don't seem to be referenced in other movies. I'm hoping at one point these plot holes get explained along with the ABC Studios inconsistencies. But since these universes aren't necessarily part of the sacred timeline, we can assume as audiences that those universes are adjacent to each other, not direct sequels.
I wonder if it comes down to each character just playing a myriad of different roles of themselves. So they basically know every story about themselves that ever happened. There are not actually multiple versions of anyone, just multiple roles played. Like one person incarnating into many different bodies to collect all the experiences from all those different roles more quickly than they could as an individual.
First off, I want to say I LOVED this movie, I wouldn't change a thing, but I'm still left with one big question... How was any Wolverine alive after 2029? Assuming every wolverine gets the adamantium treatment around the same time, wouldn't all wolverines eventually die from the adamantium poisoning in or around 2029? In the best case, the wolverine we got in this movie should also be suffering from Adamantiumitis
IIRC the Logan movie, it is explained that the food supply is treated with a poison designed to impair or damage the x-gene. I propose that it was the combination of poison and adamantium that did in this specific Logaon.
In regards to this Wolverine's memories having memories from all the Wolverine and X-Men FOX movies, there's actually a few possibilities. I've thought about it and came up with 3 theories but I will just leave you with this one: - Just like in X-Men Days Of Future Past, the older Wolverine memories were sent back to younger Wolverine before being sent back to an alternate timeline in 2024. This Wolverine retains memories from both timelines. Using this film logic, it's not out of place to assume this Deadpool 3 movie Wolverine had the same life experiences as the other Wolverine in past films but his timeline diverged when the humans wiped out the X-Men and he went on a berserker rage killing spree. Ergo, he retains memories from both timelines. As for the memories from Logan, assume he survived the ordeal and instead of dying, he re established the X-Men before they got wiped out by the humans. It's not much of a stretch but it's possible in a multiverse of endless possibilities.
The other thing is that there are two Wade Wilsons on one timeline (In X-Men Origins and then Deadpool) But my headcannon is just that every inconsistency is just a slightly different timeline.
Since Deadpool can break the 4th wall he also has a third timeline - OURS - at the beginning of Deadpool 2 he starts the movie talking about "Logan's" death - not in his timeline but in our 'movie released, Hugh Jackman" timeline. So there is 1. Deadpool (the character timeline) 2. Other characters timelines in their respective movies and 3. The real life studio releasing movies timelines and the actors' timeline as they move through their careers.
And it doesn't make sense that the old cast are in the same universe as Deadpool. The cameo of coarse in DP2, but also because Colossos isn't the old cast version.
@@maxtylor1489I was thinking along those lines as well, but most of the bones in the body aren’t actually attached to other bones. They’re held apart by cartilage or ligaments, other connective tissues, so you’d think the adamantium replacement process would just target all bone.
At the end of the day (or this film in particular) whatever these two did on the Time Ripper, it merged the Fox-Xmen timeline into one. Whoever were left at the end are now the definitive beings of that timeline. So I assume there's now only one version of each characters on that world.
I guess my main issue with this theory is that Deadpool speaks of his universe's Wolverine in the past tense. And I guess I read that as underlying the scene where they jump back to Deadpool's world, the kid is shocked to see Logan, and Deadpool quips that Disney brought him back (though I suppose the kid could just be shocked to see a famous hero, and Deadpool is just being randomly meta as is his wont).
Cavillrine is the 616 (Sacred Timeline)"s Wolverine, the reason they got a different actor instead of Hugh is because the MCU is rebooting the X Men (For Earth 616), The OG X men is still very much there in the Earth 10005 and will be involved in the upcoming Avengers films.
I've put some thought into this and I'm willing to bet that the memories of worst Wolverine happen to be the same as Fox Wolverine because they happen to be canon events like the ones explored in the spider-verse animated movies
These timelines are confusing - Deadpool 2016
‘SO confusing’ actually 🤓☝️
Ryan Reynolds responded by saying...it's a moviecget a life needs and thank you for your money
Wtf are you talking about? As soon as you have time,and universe travel at your disposal,there is literally an infinite number of correct time lines.
As soon as you involve "f*** it" in a movie,none of it has to make sense,or does make sense...
People paying money for a movie,roes not make it a great movie.Use your head.People pay money for LOTS of useless things.
I kinda felt like a coherent timeline wasn't really a big priority for Deadpool but in a good way lol
Yeah. I think Ryan knows nothing can explain the years of confusing timelines, and only Ryan can make it humerous.
@@Prodigalzsonshut up
It's a celebration of the Foxverse so makes sense.
Yeah, they were just focused on making a great movie.
Exactly and trying to break it down it futile and shouldn't be worried about.
I always felt that with Deadpool's 4th wall breaks he could literally and figuratively clap the Timelines Cheeks whenever he pleases so logic is sent to the void.
Yeah and we can just consider the whole movie are not canon bcs it doesnt make any sense in the timeline
@dyoralexan9351 none Canon? Lmao they are all Canon deapool don't give 2 shts about ur Canon sht. He decides what's canon
Yes!
It's actually pretty simple how to make sense of it all. Here's how I look at it: although the Fox X-Men universe is given the designation of 10005, we have to remember that the TVA's own timeline here is after the events in the Loki series, which means timeline branches are no longer being clipped. 10005 wouldn't just be one long branch, it would have many branches of its own. Deadpool's timeline doesn't have to be on the same branch of 10005 as the film Logan or any of the other X-Men film's for it to still be considered part of 10005. 10005 is just the root branch of all those timelines. All the branches of 10005, however, would be impacted by the events of Logan because he is the anchor being for that entire universe, all its branches included.
THIS is the one
Yes. That’s why they showed Logan’s death affecting the entirety of the FOX-Men universe
That's good
Very simple and straight to the point. And makes it less depressing to know that all the events in the X-Men movies prior to Logan aren't guaranteed to lead to Logan lol.
Literally my mind the whole movie “BYE BYE BYE”
Yeah, it makes for both a nice callback to X2 where Logan stabs Scott's car radio for playing it and for Wade dancing to it causing mayhem. It sets up how both are by default conflicting personalities.
@@GeneralBulldog54what actually happened is that Pyro turned on the radio in the car because he didn’t like uncomfortable silences and Logan turned it off and accidentally opened up the (for lack of a better term) X-phone that he used to call Jean and Storms
BEST BEST BEST Opening. watched twice because of Bye Bye Bye~ Bye bye!
Can’t get it out my head 😂
Same That Opening Scene was AMAZING.
The Marvel wiki explained that the Deadpool movies were always part of the X-Men timeline, and earth 41633 is the timeline in Deadpool 2, until Deadpool goes back in time to save Venessa, which reverts everything back to the X-Men timeline.
You use Wikipedia as your main source of information?
@@fako85Cavellrine is disappointed... tut tut tut
@@fako85it's the marvel wiki. Not a random Wikipedia page
That honestly makes perfect sense
oooohh this makes sense
An indication of the fact that Deadpool was aware of the existence of the 616 Earth was when he said to Cable "Zip it, Thanos!"
In regards to how is Wolverine dead if the movie takes place in 2024, the answer is that not the whole movie takes place in 2024. If you remember from Loki, the tempad allows them to travel at any point in time. And because Wolverine's death was an absolute point, the tempad wouldn't allow Deadpool to change the events of that timeline and so it would only allow him to travel at any point after Logan's death.
The 4th Wall Superpower allows him to know everything that the audience knows.
Ryan Reynolds is the messiah MJ if you’re feeling nasty
Logan dying isn't a nexus event, right? Because a Nexus event is where the timeline changes from it's original path (for example when Loki escapes with the tesseract and then gets caugth by the TVA). Logan dying is supose to happen. So yeah, I guess Deadpool couldn't prevent Logans death because of that reason.
@@k1ss3c47I think the commenter meant "fixed point" to use the terminology of the MCU sorcerers. In the Sony spider verse movies they're called Canon events
@thugpug4392 Yes, that is what I meant, sorry. I will correct it.
Sometimes, the differences between universes in the multiverse vary wildly. Sometimes, the only difference is one tiny thing you’d never notice, and everything else matches closely.
"I can say without a doubt that there are an infinite number of universes. Some are just like our own.. but for one or two significant events, exactly the same." - Lex Luthor
That's how I always thought of it.
There are also universes that can be wildy different but still have other major events take place the same way, with slight differences ofc, or no differences at all
Basically the first one is what alternate universes are and the second one is what parallel universes are
Kind of like that one Rick and Morty line about everything’s the same except how people say Parmesan
@@phenylanz3416 Sort of, but they're all alternate universes. "Parallel universe" is just a very similar alternate universe.
Gotta love the retroactive fitting of movies into a timeline that was never meant to exist
The easiest solution is that the writers weren’t taking this timeline thing seriously.
Exactly
You mean FOX never took this timeline seriously.
Which is fine cuz Deadpool shouldn't make any sense.
No, mcu didnt. They made dp3 @@bobbysworld281995
Marvel already fixed all the timelines
McAvoy or Stewart?
These timelines are so confusing.
2 things.
1. So why didn't Deadpool go for a Wolverine in timeline 10005 before the events of Logan?
2. If Cassandra Nova tapped into the mind of Wolverine and saw all of 10005 events, wouldn't that mean that Wolverine is a Nexus being for the fox franchise?.
1. I mean even in 2024 logan is alive, it wouldn't make a difference.
2. nexus beings are beings that exist in all universes. (ex scarlett witch). cassandra nova saw things that this wolverine might have experienced/will experience in his timeline, and also experiences of other wolverines in the multiverse through his dreams. does not necessarily mean he is a nexus being
to answer your first question because that wolverine was destined to be the reason his universe is destroyed. Logan was dying regardless because of the anumantium poison from the metal graphed to his bones. He had to get a wolverine who wouldn't suffer from the same poisoning
@@bencomics2123exactly. He was dying because the high fructose corn syrup mutant poison was suppressing his healing power to ward off the poisoning from his skeleton. "Worst" Wolverine's timeline apparently didn't have that happen because the humans took out the X-Men so didn't have to resort to poisoning the food chain.
@@megaknight9928that’s literally not what Nexus Being means..
The explanation is that it’s a vapid comic book movie and you’re thinking way too deep into it. Just enjoy it for what it is. Sure if this was Dune or a Nolan movie you could criticize the plot holes but the MCU has been doing stuff like this for over a decade now 😂
I just assumed when Deadpool got the tenpad from the TVA after he beat up paradox he can go anywhere with it which it explains why he can time travel to after Logan’s death
But them why can't he travel to BEFORE Logan's death and try to stop him from dying
@@LAL7887 because I think it’s like a nexus event he had to die 🤷♂️
Deadpool is completely aware of the opinion of people in the real world, so he wouldn't dare to prevent the events of "Logan" because he knows that movie was pretty well received by the public. And even though, within universe Logan's death will happen in 2029, for DP it already happened, in the same year the movie was released in our timeline, which is proved by the intro of "Deadpool 2".
But he could have just travelled before 2029 in his time-line to save Logan before his death, why didn't he do that?
@@lieutenantwolf5437ok. Yeah it could be, but is deadpool even aware about this concept of nexus event?
The way I see it, Deadpool is completely bound by story limits… unless it’s a cameo. Deadpool can break the boundaries of time and space but ONLY for a joke or a cameo.
Logan wasn't a bleak or dystopian future, Logan and Charles were just in a crappy situation. Everywhere they go -- farms, stores, hotel, etc. -- life is going on as normal for most people.
I mean bleak for mutants not humans
Dystopian doesn't necessarily mean decimated. Buying up food distribution to dose it with gene therapeutic drugs with the implied consent of the government is pretty dystopic.
it was pretty bleak
ah u must be one of those guys that as long as most people doing their dailies in life means everything gucci. no poverty, no war, no climate change. yep okay
@@giiobskevin5323who tf said there were no wars, poverty, climate change??
I don’t want to think about it this hard. I just like the jokes and the explosion.
And the fight scenes!
Ye exactly
Well then enjoy that. It is deeper and deep thinkers know it
Sums up most of MCU’s fanboys.
@@microscopic.caterpill An MCU flick is not an A24 flick. Sometimes it's nice to just sit back and be entertained for the sake of it. Not everyone cares about the comic lore or deviations from it.
I think there’s no logical explanation, they simply didn’t plan ahead for all this
This was just to bring Deadpool to MCU and they did this. In future films, every timeline will be addressed
Ryan Reynolds said it himself, he just wanted to make the film entertaining and comedy with lots and lots of nostalgia.
Pretty sure films like avengers doomsday and secret wars will explain it.
After watching Deadpool and wolverine, I was thinking about how there had to be two wolverines in that time line now
There's also 2 captain america in 616..
And now 2 x23 in that timeline
SAME THING I SAID.
@@HollyMolly8982what do you mean
The fact that Happy knew about Deadpool nd The X men way before the events of Infinity war nd still didn’t call them for help gets me nuts !
I mean how was he meant to he can't call people through universes
He knows about the X-Force, not X-Men.😊
Dr Stange: “Is that everyone?”
Wong: “Like you wanted MORE?”
Deadpool, sitting at home, waiting by the phone….
No Happy did not know about the X-Men or even know Deadpool before that scene, plus The X-Men are in a whole different Universe. Watch the movie again, Deadpool traveled to the main Universe to try to become an Avenger and back to his afterwards.
This is first time he met Deadpool, why would he know about 10005?
He is not Dr Strange and this is May 2018
So the definite timeline is:
1. First Class
2. Days of Future Past
3. Apocalypse
4. X-Men Origins Wolverine (Erased)
5. Dark Phoenix
6. X-Men 2000
7. X2
8. The Last Stand (erased)
9. The Wolverine
10. Deadpool
11. Deadpool 2
12. Days of Future Past (Prologue - erased, Ending)
13. Deadpool and Wolverine
14. Logan
I think the wolverine (2013) should be added before dofp intro, then dofp pre-prologue
what does 12 mean what is days of future past prologue ?
@@dariannunez the movie opens in a post apocalyptic future set in 2023 before Logan is set back in time by Kitty Pryde to 1973. This prologue gets erased once they stop mystique from killing Bolivar Trask then being captured and experimented for the sentinals
Logan probably is a branched timeline after the events of Deadpool & Wolverine & vice versa.
Days of Future Past retcons all of the X-Men movies set after 1973, not just Last Stand and Origins.
How is this so difficult to understand lol
Honestly, I think the Wolverine that we got in the movie is the Wolverine from the animated series. Last I checked, X-Men '97 was included in the MCU. It would explain the comic accurate suits, the fact that he's over 200 years old (as the Logan from the animated series is over 200 years), and that the X-Men were killed off by humans, as the tension of that is pretty high in that universe.
Time was happening all at once in the TVA, but Paradox’s whole drive is he doesn’t wanna wait 2000 years so he shouldn’t have to wait right? Its all already happening
I think it's more like watching the timeline break down while in the TVA opposed to seeing the events within the timeline over a thousand years. Cause they've seen and will see them all always. But if the power of that timeline dissapears that's more abstract. Like in loki watching the branches dying off
I have just chalked up that each universe has its own rules and regulations regarding continuity and timeliness and the 'Mutant' timeline is just maluable as much as it needs to be. While the 616 timeliness are far more strict and tight (even with recasts and hiccups on their timeline)
Saying he's been around for 200 years, even as Iwas seating and watching it, I'm like, Wolverine should remember Wade, then to some extent when they were in the unit together, finding that meteorite. A much younger wade to what we will then see of him.
Just because he knows how old he is dosen't mean he remembers anything that happened before stryker shot him with the bullet that took those memories away.
The events of Age of Apocalypse and Origins actually happen at the same time in different timelines so the team with Liev Schreiber Sabertooth, Blob, Will i am etc existing after Days of future past is ambiguous but it's more likely that Stryker spearheaded the Weapon X programme as we see it in Age of apocalypse instead.
Different Wolverine
I love that we’re trying to dissect the timeline/time travel logic of the immortal comic book character who interacts with reality and is basically a 4th dimensional being lol
It all makes a lot more sense if you look at it from the meta perspective that a "Timeline" is a Franchise and an "Anchor Being" is your lead actor/character that holds that franchise together. The X-Men movie franchise/timeline is dying/dead without Wolverine.
As is the MCU without RDJ/Tony Stark.
DOFP and Logan will always be separate in my mind because if all of Logan's efforts in DOFP just lead to Logan's bleak events... That just ruins everything. Mutant kids were running around the mansion so that contradicts lines in Logan that claims that no mutants have been born in decades.
No
Logan means that after those kids grew up none of them were unable to have mutant children as they were wiped out
and no other mutant children were born
So when Deadpool does the montage of finding Wolverines, he is using a TVA device which as Loki established does jump time and space really easily. Skeleton Logan and the main Logan in this movie are not from the same universe. The Cassandra finding memories that shouldn't belong is Strange - but could be not only living moments but dreaming moments as in the Multiverse of Madness explains. At the moment Marvel does have a problem that if there is an answer for every logic misstep, then nothing feels at stake anymore.
Or or hear me out the wolverine in the movie went through the same set of events as the original wolverine. A lot of marvel comics have universes similar to 616 before a event happen or everything was like 616 until...
Y’all both right but why would marvel give “bad”wolverine Logan memories if there two different variants ?? Nd lost there teams two different ways ?it doesn’t make sense but ig Cassandra was tryna give him Logan past memories idk it didn’t make sense as a marvel fan but as a movie watcher it’s enjoyable
Why shouldn't they belong? This Wolverine most likely had the same story as the wolverine we know. The scenes from Logan could be after all the X-Men are killed and he started killing and let himself go (by this i mean how he looks, his beard etc)
Probably the event that makes the difference between the two timelines was the way the Xmen got killed. In DaW, the Xmen were killed by humans. In Logan, the Xmen were killed by Charles when he had a telepathic seizure. Everything before that happens exactly the same for both "Logans".
8:20 he mentions that no one ages in the Void but wasn’t Casandra Nova pruned as a baby and grew up only knowing the Void?
Gambit also stated that the void is all he's known as well.
@@mr.canadian155I think that was also a meta-joke as his version never even got out of pre-production talks
My son and I absolutely loved this movie!!!! I haven’t left the theater feeling so pumped and excited in a very long time. It truly is a wonderful movie! Seeing some of the favorites from my childhood back in uniform on the big screen was amazing
@erikvoss I have a crazy theory...maybe...just maybe (go with me here)...it could be due to the fact of Logan's long-life and acquiring these visions or entanglements through his dreams. Since we learned in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness when you dream, you see the other variants of yourself, that it could've somehow been tied up when Cassandra Nova pried into his head. The reason I think this may be the case is because of what happen to Nebula in Endgame. Now the point, they're in the void, Wolverine hadn't been in another universe to "entangled" his mind, maybe time with telepaths like Charles and Jean after Days of Future Past rubberbanded them altogether...and that's my theory
Cavill can bring a cold, calculating demeanor to the character, showcasing Sinister’s intelligence and manipulative nature. And coming from DC's universe, his interactions with other characters should be marked by a sense of superiority and a deep understanding of their weaknesses
I think events in Deadpool & Wolverine takes place in branched timeline because Wade saved his friends.
Exactly, timelines can run very close to each other. This movie could've still had a Wolverine that died a heroic death similar to Logan but with slightly different circumstances.
If i am not mistaken, isnt it possible for wolverine to share memories across multiverses? Referencing house of M.
Why no one is talking about the opening scene of Deadpool 2 when Deadpool addresses that the wolverine is dead in his universe?. He did not travel back to the past then.
That's just him being aware of the movie. Same as him recognizing that the yellow and brown Wolverine outfit is from the Wolverine v. Hulk story.
Exactly. Thats just deadpool breaking the fourth wall like he always does.
There was a Deadpool 2 ???
@@paulschacht9777💀💀
9:49 so does this lead to an incursion ? Like what happened to dark strange in multiverse of madness
One thing I didn’t get was if Deadpool and Wolverine is set in 2024 and Logan died in 2029 why does wade need to go in search of a Logan when there already exists one in his universe
Cause his logan is meant to die
@user-el6eh3er8c That's not why. The reason is because the writers promised not to undo Logan's death.
@@malachibanks6357Then I think they should have made the Deadpool movies be their own universe and have the fox universe be set in 2036, which is 7 years after the 2029 setting in Logan (2017) OR they should have made the Logan movie be its own universe and let the Deadpool movies be in the same universe as the other Fox movies.
"We have a plot hole"
...
"Deadpool's insanity"
...
*_"BRILLIANT!"_*
Yeah when I saw this in the movie theater I was like wait a minute if Logan death hasn’t happened and DeadPool is in the TVA finding this out (well he already knew about Logan’s future death) and he could’ve gotten this Logan\Wolverine at his current timeline. But I guess since they didn’t want to touch on this version of Wolverine they said ok he’s off limits. Well since now the MCU is all about the multiverse they can hand pick random wolverine’s from out of the multiverse. And make him appear in other movies until he’s 90!!! Maybe we can get a full depth commentary when the film is out on DVD.
This channel is best when it covers things they are truly passionate about. Well done
Anyone else catch when Deadpool called Hulk a “dull creature” like Loki 😭 then proceeds to get smacked like Loki
I think Gamit said it best … actually, the best thing from Multiverse of Madness is the concept of dreams being conduits | glimpses into other universes - especially if you dream about plot holes
Timelines all happen at once; Paradox doesn't want to "wait" for them to "play out?"
Cavill’s natural charisma can be used to make Sinister both charming and terrifying. This duality would make him a compelling villain, capable of both subtle manipulation and outright intimidation
Guys, it's very simple. Don't over-complicate it.
Logan was released in 2017, set in 2029 timeline, which is the revised DOFP timeline. Yes, Logan is part of post DOFP timeline.
Deadpool 2 was released in 2018, set in 2018, the events of Logan would have still happened in 2029, BUT in deadpool 2, Wade uses cable's time travel device a lot through the movie and in the post credits, which could have changed lot of events in post DOFP timeline. Events like Logan could have happened in 2020 or 2022. Many things could have changed.
This is the most probable answer
Then how are the three X-Men that’s been with Wade in his films still around if they’re meant to be dead as a result of Xavier’s seizure that kills most of the mutant population.
Set up Sinister as a recurring villain, whose plans and machinations span multiple films. This would allow Cavill to explore the character’s depth over time, making him a persistent threat to the heroes.
0:24 but it has to have happened cos his corpse is there lol… unless Deadpool went into the future for that?!
Cavill’s imposing physique would be accentuated with a sleek, dark costume featuring Sinister’s iconic red diamond on his forehead and chest. The costume could blend Victorian elements with modern technology, reflecting his long history and advanced knowledge so dark it comes from the DC universe.
Why was Thor crying? If Cassandra succeeded, Loki wouldn’t have any branch to hold.
I loved this movie, moreso even than the second one. Deadpool's humor was great, his and Wolverine's chemistry was amazing, and Hugh's acting added a welcome gravitas and seriousness when needed. Their argument and fight in the care showcased how good both their characters and their acting works with each other. And the film overall worked really well. The whole theater kept laughing out loud over and over. And that opening sequence is probably the best one I've seen since The Two Towers.
Rather than strengthen it would 2 Logans weaken the timeline and make it vulnerable to incursions as Reed said in MoM
Spock didn't have a problem with it
Why was Deadpool doing the spiderman thwip, thwips in the van? Where was Blades trench coat, unique katana and gun? Why did Wolverines costume lose more and more arm material as the movie progressed? I loved the movie and I'm going to go see it again and again, but little nagging questions such as these pulled me out of the story telling wondering, why?
But why does Cassandra age in the Void? If no one ages in the Void.
They wasn’t ready for this one
Maybe it depends the character
Yea we call that plot armor @@MECHFILMS_
@@MECHFILMS_or maybe the writers just overlook it and did not take any “multiverse” logic seriously.. i mean its a deadpool movie, people will just stress their mind out if they think too deep about this stuff 😂
Got put in the void later on
I think the reason why "worst" wolverine has visions from the other Wolverines when Nova tap his mind, is because in the movie X-men origins : Wolverine 2009, that Wolverine always have nightmares that haunts him. Maybe its not his nightmares but other variants actual life that he is dreaming. Meaning Wolverine has this so called link of bad memories from all the other Wolverines.
It made no sense to me i gotta watch it a couple more times but it was stillva great movie . It makes sense cause the whole X-Men universe definitely was already messy
10:22. The plot hole can be fixed really easily. Colossus is seen eating cereal in the first Deadpool. And we know from LOGAN that Essex Corp. has been putting the Mutant cure in food and drinks to suppress mutants from gaining their powers. The X-Men are all young in 2018 but age rapidly in 5-6 years because of their diets and food affecting their genes/powers that keep them youthful: hence why they are as old as they were in the OG trilogy by the time of 2023/DOFP
"These timelines are so confusing."
I love the how in Deadpool 2 the X Men are right behind him in the Mansion, after he said their never there in the first film..
So Colossus, teenage warhead and Yukio travel all the way from Westchester NY to Vancouver, Canada 🤔
They do have the Blackbird, and they could have gotten authorization from Charles to attend Wade's birthday to "Check up on him"
Maybe Colossus would have brought up the subject of Wade taking another shot at the X-Men before the TVA arrived.
With the arrival of the alternate Logan and X-23, Charles with his knowledge of alternate timelines from X-Men Days of Future's Past, could have
just told Colossus to leave Logan be with Wade Wilson while he figures out possible ramifications to his own timeline,before telling his Logan and
X-Men what's going on.
Big fast jet
Why do you think that's so hard in today's world? People fly all across the countries within a day.
I almost wonder if the "six years later" was a goofy jab at spiderman homecoming's opening that completely makes no sense with the timeline
Deadpool and Logan belong to the same universe. Pulled the OG x-men’s Wolverine to go on a void adventure. Hence all the cameos are the OG trilogy characters. Not that deep tho
Completely wrong
@@cgerdsxvi okay, tell me about it.
As someone going to write a fanfic of Logan after Deadpool 3 this helps me understand the timeline issue. Thank you!
Dont get me wrong ... I liked the movie ... but this whole multiverse and timelines thing is a mess not only for Marvel but for all movies that deals with time travel ...
Most movies and TV shows nowadays don't know the difference between alternate universe and alternate timeline.
Don't worry about timeline, timeline is already fixed
That’s kinda the thing about time travel though buddy…. It’s a mess.
Great recap! Very helpful. We'll be referencing this clip in our Deadpool & Wolverine episode tonight. Thank you!
Wait, people HAVE to age in the void though because cassandra was sent there as a baby
Amazing video! All your theories make sense and just fits really well with the writing for all of the timelines for Deadpool & X - Men 🤣
one thing still confuses me, how did adult Laura end up with Deadpool and wolverine in the end of the movie?
I assumed the TVA blipped them out of the void somehow. Deadpool did request that after they defeated Cassandra Nova.
Alioth wanted Deadpool and Wolverine. Not the others, so they probably survived
@@leogoga5832 alioth was hungry just looking for anything to eat
I always figured that since Deadpool went back to kill old Deadpool from Origins, himself before Green Lantern, etc in D2 that he could always jump back and forth in time, so seeing him in Logan wasn't much of a jump in logic. In addition, when Paradox showed DP his dying timeline, the white line was travelling backwards, suggesting it doesn't matter when an anchor being died, the death of the timeline would travel both forward and backward along that timeline.
Yesss, this was my first thought coming out of the cinema I was looking at how it connects in the timeline. But I always assumed the Deadpool films fit in the X-men universe, same with Logan.
Cassandra did age in the void and kid loki is a god so he could age very slowly
Does it actually say that 10005 is the main Fox X-men timeline? Or just that it’s the universe where Logan & Deadpool take place (also allowing that the events of Logan could occur in multiple universes)?
Deadpool 1 set in 2026
Deadpool 2 set in 2028
Deadpool And Wolverine set is 2034
Explains Logans corpse
Stefan is an aged Collosus
X Men camoes in DP2 is a tease for Dark Phoenix
Makes sense regarding the six years later stuff.
No
DP 2 happened in 2018, the cameos were only an inside joke. They werent like that in 2018, they obviously got older.
two variants can have some memories in common, as they become separate entities after the NEXUS event has happened. Loki and Loki from Loki series have similar childhood memories, but they are not the same entity anymore. It is about free will, and circumstances.
The idea that multiple Wolverines are existing at the same time does not make sense. The TVA states the world is ending due to the anchor being being dead, but from a universal, all-seeing perspective that the TVA has, Logan has always been dead AND alive, as there's points in time both versions of the characters have existed if you observe the entire timeline at once. That then concludes, either the world cannot possibly be ending, due to Logan still "being alive", or that anchor beings have a special characteristic of once they die, they are erased from any points in time other than their death (kinda like how Peter Parker is erased from all memory, Logan is erased from all time. He still existed, but isn't 'present') And once they are fully dead, their remains are just objects devoid of life, persisting forever (which is how Deadpool can desecrate his corpse)
@loganblevenson Honestly, time in the TVA has stopped making sense. What you said is true, the timeline should already be gone from their perspective. It's not like they are now about to witness what will happen.
And the concept of an anchor being makes no sense too. What happens in the years before such a being is born. Why does the death of one individual just lead to the whole universe dying? So must the individual be immortal all the time?
We have a wolverine and logan 😂
It’s a movie try not to think too deep or lose sleep over it.
Another way of explaining this stuff is that Deadpool's time travel shennanigans set back the events of logan by some years. Like it happened in 2019 instead of 2029 and mutant kind has recovered in the 5 years since then.
Youre telling me Mutants were driven to extinction, and Logan and Xavier aged into super old people in just five years? Sure buddy.
Simple explanation is that they didn't think about it.
Well, Xavier would’ve been almost 100 in 2029, and Logan’s healing factor slowed (aging process quickened) because of adamantium poisoning and an ability-dampening thing that was added to corn, which is what makes the alcohol he drinks. So it is entirely possible for them to have aged up that much.
@@NameisNick_or was just a heck of a rough five years lol
@@zaarthwrencould be, but honestly even if you think about it, it doesn't make sense... from 2024 a healthy utopian timeline to 2029 a dystopian timeline? Math ain't mathin.
Well yea because that’s what was written in Logan, the corn syrup caused a decay in mutant births as well as poisoned the already living ones, he actually explained it quite well in his videos on it
@@yourfavoritedearjordan23 It's also stated in this video and the movie that the extinction was very gradual so people didn't notice. I'm sorry but five years isn't gradual
OR...This movie wasn't in 2024 at all. He jumped BACK to Earth-616 in 2018 because his goal was specifically to be on the Avengers team with Captain America/Steve Rogers( as evidenced by him fan-boying over Steve Rogers the whole movie). Then after he was turned down, he went to his own universe (and time) and THEN 6 years passed. It's in the future relative to us like the MCU is.
Holy shit am I the only one who was able to watch this movie, understand the films logic and have fun?
Nah I got it too, but some people maybe overthinking things more than they are.
I'm right there with you brother
I'm with you. At no point during this movie did I think about the logic of the timeline. It's Deadpool. It doesn't matter. This flick was just a helluva good time.
Thats how I was with FoX-men. I just enjoyed the ride and had some fun trying to fit stuff in but the MCU really made everyone have to fit some pre-planned cannon. Sadly its the MCU strict timeline that (for me) bogs down Deadpool because the other 2 Deadpools always was outside of the timeline (hense mentioned Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart etc. )I feared that the MCU would try to cap that down and to some extent they did and here we are lol
Yeah
I was thinking that we know with Logan in '29 there are no mutants left. The TVA went back a few years of that timeline to find Deadpool because DP is not anymore by '29. This helped me to get a bit of clarity about the timelines and by DP going to 616 and 6 years back we know the TVA can see time as a whole and DP can travel to different times in any timeline.
Then how was there a whole orphanage full of mutant children in deadpool 2 if it was in the logan universe
2018 - 2003 = 15
They weren’t that young so maybe they were like (most young) 10 or something
9:50 they meet in Logan, one possibility gets captured and turned evil and that's where the fight scene comes in in Logan where he fights himself ;)
Wait so how is this Deadpool’s introduction to the MCU if the movie ends in Earth-10005?
I mean the end of The Marvels leaves Monaca in Earth - 10005
it's MCU the film/tv series franchise, not MCU the marvel earth
It’s the same thing earth 616 is the main universe in the MCU
Secret Wars will probably bring him back.
They meant as an introduction as a MCU film since it connects to the MCU because of the TVA
The X-Men timeline has always made sense to me and I'm of the opinion that there aren't really any plot holes whatsoever (if you pay attention) but the one thing I struggled with trying to make sense of in Deadpool & Wolverine was why did MCU Wolverine have 10005 Logan's memories, and your explanation about the multiverse dreams from Multiverse of Madness completely fixed it for me and I can't believe I didn't put the piece it together myself sooner.
It might be a reach but it's atleast a logical one, I assumed the whole multiverse dream thing was just a MCU thing but if the fox universe is now kinda connected to the MCU now ofcourse there would be links like that. Well done.
Technically speaking, each timeline branches off from a specific point of the sacred timeline so, if you travel back far enough in any timeline you will enter the sacred timeline at the point of the branch off.
B-15 said that what they did by destroying the time ripper rebooted their timeline. Possibly changing the events that cause them to lose their anchor being. I think their act of sacrifice changed a key event in this timeline, ie Xavier passing away before his seizures took hold.
Very good analysis on the timelines here. It took me several days if not weeks to come to the same conclusion. I kinda get annoyed when people say, "Oh, it's Deadpool. It's not supposed to make sense." But this movie actually took the time to give us years and universe numbers and it actually makes sense.
The 2 lingering issues here is the prequel Xmen showing up in Deadpool and technically all the prequel Xmen movies. Those actors never age even decades into their stories. I suppose we can shrug it off as suspension of disbelief. Or maybe we could also ignore Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix as not cannon since they don't seem to be referenced in other movies.
I'm hoping at one point these plot holes get explained along with the ABC Studios inconsistencies. But since these universes aren't necessarily part of the sacred timeline, we can assume as audiences that those universes are adjacent to each other, not direct sequels.
I wonder if it comes down to each character just playing a myriad of different roles of themselves. So they basically know every story about themselves that ever happened. There are not actually multiple versions of anyone, just multiple roles played. Like one person incarnating into many different bodies to collect all the experiences from all those different roles more quickly than they could as an individual.
First off, I want to say I LOVED this movie, I wouldn't change a thing, but I'm still left with one big question... How was any Wolverine alive after 2029? Assuming every wolverine gets the adamantium treatment around the same time, wouldn't all wolverines eventually die from the adamantium poisoning in or around 2029? In the best case, the wolverine we got in this movie should also be suffering from Adamantiumitis
IIRC the Logan movie, it is explained that the food supply is treated with a poison designed to impair or damage the x-gene. I propose that it was the combination of poison and adamantium that did in this specific Logaon.
@@jonsturgill6508 heyyyy, I like that!
@hypersloth117 thank you.
@4:12 god of mischief liking Deadpool ,,, seems legit!
I was hoping Peter was the anchor 😅
In regards to this Wolverine's memories having memories from all the Wolverine and X-Men FOX movies, there's actually a few possibilities.
I've thought about it and came up with 3 theories but I will just leave you with this one:
- Just like in X-Men Days Of Future Past, the older Wolverine memories were sent back to younger Wolverine before being sent back to an alternate timeline in 2024. This Wolverine retains memories from both timelines.
Using this film logic, it's not out of place to assume this Deadpool 3 movie Wolverine had the same life experiences as the other Wolverine in past films but his timeline diverged when the humans wiped out the X-Men and he went on a berserker rage killing spree. Ergo, he retains memories from both timelines. As for the memories from Logan, assume he survived the ordeal and instead of dying, he re established the X-Men before they got wiped out by the humans.
It's not much of a stretch but it's possible in a multiverse of endless possibilities.
The other thing is that there are two Wade Wilsons on one timeline (In X-Men Origins and then Deadpool)
But my headcannon is just that every inconsistency is just a slightly different timeline.
Since Deadpool can break the 4th wall he also has a third timeline - OURS - at the beginning of Deadpool 2 he starts the movie talking about "Logan's" death - not in his timeline but in our 'movie released, Hugh Jackman" timeline. So there is 1. Deadpool (the character timeline) 2. Other characters timelines in their respective movies and 3. The real life studio releasing movies timelines and the actors' timeline as they move through their careers.
And it doesn't make sense that the old cast are in the same universe as Deadpool. The cameo of coarse in DP2, but also because Colossos isn't the old cast version.
I’m wondering more about two things:
1. Why aren’t Wolverine’s teeth Adamantium?
2. How did DP break apart Wolvie’s skeleton to fight with?
Yeah, I never thought about the teeth until we see them on the skull. Maybe they’re cosmetic?
teeth are not connected with bones they are held by gums . only wolverine main frame was coated with admintinum
@@maxtylor1489I was thinking along those lines as well, but most of the bones in the body aren’t actually attached to other bones. They’re held apart by cartilage or ligaments, other connective tissues, so you’d think the adamantium replacement process would just target all bone.
At the end of the day (or this film in particular) whatever these two did on the Time Ripper, it merged the Fox-Xmen timeline into one. Whoever were left at the end are now the definitive beings of that timeline. So I assume there's now only one version of each characters on that world.
I guess my main issue with this theory is that Deadpool speaks of his universe's Wolverine in the past tense. And I guess I read that as underlying the scene where they jump back to Deadpool's world, the kid is shocked to see Logan, and Deadpool quips that Disney brought him back (though I suppose the kid could just be shocked to see a famous hero, and Deadpool is just being randomly meta as is his wont).
Cavillrine is the 616 (Sacred Timeline)"s Wolverine, the reason they got a different actor instead of Hugh is because the MCU is rebooting the X Men (For Earth 616), The OG X men is still very much there in the Earth 10005 and will be involved in the upcoming Avengers films.
6:24 correction there, universe-10005, 3 zeros not 2
we can think thats theres only omw wolverine at the end of DandW, because it is already a branched timeline after the climax of that film.
I've put some thought into this and I'm willing to bet that the memories of worst Wolverine happen to be the same as Fox Wolverine because they happen to be canon events like the ones explored in the spider-verse animated movies