flyquest killed it and fingers are crossed they keep the same squad next split because i personally felt like they just improved every single week the entire split and it made them the most fun team to watch in the lcs
Still props to TL. They kinda played at the level of the teams they played against. Really had solid games against the strong teams but couldn't finish. Played poorly against the poorer teams and scraped out wins. Tbh proud of both those teams repping us in the groups stages. 100T they're very young but hopefully bounce back.
haha kudos if you expected fly or hence TL to give any resistance to GenG giving them serious problems by taking 2 games i put that on a much higher shelf than beating tes or weibo (let's see how they do but yeah i expected TL to win agaisnt them and they didn't) still this GenG i had a feeling after losing the regional title they would step up and win worlds. Their meticulous way of the game feels like the worst matchup for the west and somehow they took 2 games very impressive
@@peytonsmith1062 As a TL fan I've loved this organic rivalry that's developed between them as two teams. made those matches so much more engaging to watch.
@@Vermoon_exe Yes and I cannot say for certain all of why they fell off but they at the very least made major cuts to coaching staff. So NRG, even though they kept their players, was a very different team after worlds 2023
Never before have I tasted the dream of a NA world championship. Thanks to FlyQuest I now expect more from NA. Was an epic match and they FINALLY gave the west some real hope. This team is on a different level
@CarlosCarlangas cool? they still showed more than any NA team has in years and pushed a team that should've run them over 3-0 to a game 5 there is still room to improve from there and gave us hope that at least one team in NA isn't a complete joke and can clearly compete internationally plus FLY might have the best adc the west has seen potentially ever and he's a rookie all you backseat critics in bronze need to chill out
@@CarlosCarlangas EU fan on an LCS channel hating on NA. *classic* 🤡 I hope life is treating you well. do you wake up every morning just to hate on NA? 🤡
Its crazy I feel like he's even better than Danny was, and most thought that Danny was like the peak that we would ever get for an NA rookie ADC. Massu said "oh ye of little faith" just 2 years later... maybe the gap IS closing 🤷
@@wardenxenon Danny was a fantastic Team fighter but really struggled in lane phase and EG basically made their entire strat about getting him thru lanephase. Massu doesnt have that same weakness while also being absolutely nutty at teamfights
@@peytonsmith1062 there’s a difference between not liking Massu and thinking he didn’t deserve to be in a worlds video. He’s a rookie who didn’t even attend 2023 worlds. I’ve always been a Bwipo fan and love FLY but I just thought putting a rookie in a video about the tournament which he didn’t attend was silly.
Always loving the dive! Thanks for the episodes boyyyyss. Flyquest truly gave me so much hope when they were up 2-1 I was so HYPE I couldn't stop yelling lmao. I'm still so proud of them for giving it their all in the end.
Everyone thought it was going to be a quick 3-0 and it was a close 3-2. Props to Gen G for taking down the NA titans. And finally giving hope to Korean Players that they can do anything.
I'm from Belgium and I've been supporting Bwipo for years. I've also supported Fly cause they gave players like Toucouille a chance. I now get to support the perfect combination.
Inspired's name is so fitting. There seems to be a trend of players around him performing at peak and I think it's due to his leadership, accountability, and knowledge from what I've seen in interviews. I hope he stays in NA for a long time, and I hope NA teams step up to continue to challenge each other in their own unique ways, like TL has likely made Fly much stronger everytime they outplayed them with lane swaps.
There's this interview with Thorin where Doublelift said (paraphrasing) that he no longer felt like it was possible for NA to win, and so he let his guard down against Uzi and felt alright losing to him. I really feel like this Flyquest team didn't show that level of respect at all to Gen G. It was great to see an NA team with confidence in all aspects of their play. Self belief goes a long way. Huge props to them, and I hope the roster sticks together.
Flyquest is the only NA team that did well cause Bwipo/Inspired have the balls and "delusion" to think they are as good as east teams and not fear them and play their usual game. We need this kind of attitude in all western players/teams. (and of course the rest of FlyQuest players played fantastic)
The narrative is definitely focused on Massu atm (with his story/being a rookie rightfully so), but I think Busio really popped off and played at such a higher level than we've seen him play at. Honestly, everyone on the team made mistakes, and on the contrary everyone had their moment, it didn't feel like any player was bringing the team down.
The other amazing thing for NA, is that these players (Massu, Busio, Yeon, APA, and Quad as well)... were NOT on the radar for best NA players at the start of 2023. The development has been very encouraging over this year!
This is why I was happy Flyquest won not Liquid. FQ had the chance to do something amazing and they did something amazing... it wasn't QUITE as amazing as it could've been, but was still amazing.
@@peytonsmith1062 no I didn't. 'sybslays2740' is not the same person as 'seluhir8820'. I was responding to the person who responded to me. Perhaps some reading comprehension classes may help you in the future, so you can avoid doing something this dumb again?
Just a fact here, the MEME region, the "near Airport" region, the one ppl ALWAYS say shouldn't be considered a major region. Went blow for blow, with the highest-ranked team who was number 1 power ranking in the world. TL almost beating the GOAT at MSI and then THIS series Just let that sink in. NA is getting better and it's only a matter of time.
Massu was a fucking hero. Azael was kinda hemming over it but WITHOUT A FUCKING SHADOW OF A DOUBT THE ABSOLUTE BEST FUCKING NA ADC IVE EVER SEEN. Massu played like a fucking #1 korean adc. His reaction times hes patience his movements his extended fighting. No man. No doubt. That kid is a fucking hero. If he was on kaisa all 5 games i think we win 3-2. The game 5 kalista pick and sett pick both were rough. If they took a mordekiaser or ornn and a jinx or something that game would have been VERY different. I cant fucking wait to see massu more in the spring split in january. That kid is incredible.
Bro as an EU fan it's so freaking funny to see NA fans/casters going through the motions of almost beating an eastern team and just barely missing out. We feel you guys, that's the EU special.
I think one thing that needs to be said about T1's quarter's is they played three unique comps, even with previously played champs available. Guma was the only one with a repeat pick in the Xayah from game 2/3, and they looked comfortable and on the same page each time. Chronicler is right in that they looked like a shadow of themselves through Summer and the way they're showing at Worlds right now is night and day in comparison. Although I think GenG being pushed by FLY does better them, I do think (given T1's summer performance) getting the confidence from a convincing 3-0 also does them more good than the latter. This weekend is going to be a coin flip!
I didn’t love the baron but I think at that point they had no other option. Honestly the fiddlesticks just wasn’t able to do anything and the smolder was scaling too hard. I don’t really have the answer, I think they needed more scaling or something. But dang what a series, super proud of them!
A thing that's important to say is that the west as a whole is proud of FQ, regions fight yeah but when it comes to LCK and LPL everyone cheers for the western team.
NA continues producing great ADCs but Massu... that kid is different. A career-defining run at Worlds in his rookie year with an incredible backstory. That kid has the making of a star and potential legacy player. Flyquest better treat him very well.
If Fly sneaks that Baron they probably win the series. Gold was dead even at that point, 1 drag each. The series really did come down to the wire, but it wasn't fluky at all. I hope C9 can field a good roster, because having three strong teams at the top of the league makes every team better.
In regards to T1 vs GenG semifinals, just to refresh people's memories this has NOT been a good year for GenG comparatively to their previous ones. - Spring finals - GenG vs T1 - GenG barely win 3-2 - Summer finals - GenG vs HLE - GenG barely lose 3-2 - Worlds - GenG vs FLY - GenG almost get knocked out in Quarters for the 2nd year in a row and had to claw their way back into the series being down 1-2. Yes they did win MSI but Worlds and MSI are two entirely different beasts. Everything else they've participated in has looked questionable at best for GenG. Even after the GenG vs FLY series I still keep hearing people say that GenG is going to sweep over T1 and I'm here looking at GenG's track record this year which has managed to stay consistently unconvincing and I'm seeing a matchup that should end up being 50/50 or even 55/45 slightly T1 favored. It would be one thing if this GenG vs FLY series was a 1 off fluke bad day for GenG but it wasn't. 3-2 barely win in Spring, 3-2 lost in Summer. This has been GenG's year - incredibly unconvincing and yet I still hear people saying they are a hard favorite and are expected to stomp T1. T1 conversely has been playing well this Worlds and has only looked more and more stable and confident. I just don't understand the GenG bias for this year in particular.
It is for sure a better year compared to their prior year. Sure they won 2 lck last year but they ended up losing to both t1/blg and placing 4th at msi while being 1st lck seed. Also crash out at worlds in quarter as one of the favorite. This year, while they didn’t win both lck, lck gotten stronger this year domestically especially with hle roster. They still was really strong in summer and lost in the rematch to hle going to g5. They also won msi convincingly. This year is for sure better for them than last year. What I will say is that they don’t look as good vs Flyquest as they usually do so if they keep that form, I favor t1 since Idc about head to head record in a different meta.
How was Meteos saying “I wasn’t really thinking about EU, I don’t wanna punch down” and Kobe calling them a minor region not the cold open? That absolutely sent me. EDIT: My bad it was Azael not Kobe
@@XBezerkerX >has been bodies by EU junglers more times than he cares to remember Is this EU banter? The opposite is quite physically impossible to remember more times than he has been bodies. Also its factually untrue, Meteos is 3-2 vs Alliance, 4-4 vs FNC, and 3-0 UoL so 10-6 vs EU. Much of that from their IEM 9 win, where they 2-1 Alliance and 3-0 UoL
Regarding the best rookie discussion, Caps did make Worlds in his rookie year. That was 2017 FNC with the near impossible 0-4 group stage start into Quarters. Other than that, JackeyLove won Worlds in his rookie year (the first year he was an actual player for a team, and not just a temporary substitute at least). Meiko won LPL and MSI in his rookie split alone. Peyz won LCK both splits in his rookie year over ZOFGK, arguably the greatest roster of all time. Zven became the best ADC in EU (or at least matched Rekkles) and made Worlds Semis in his first split (back when teams could get promoted between splits). Chovy was probably the best player in the world for most of his rookie year in 2019 and only lost in Quarters at Worlds against defending champs IG. Even ShowMaker had a more impressive rookie season I'd argue, even though he didn't go international, but considering the difference in difficulty of qualifying for Worlds in LCK and NA, I don't think that detracts much in comparison to Massu. Massu did extremely well, but calling him one of the best rookies in history is going a bit far.
the smart thing about that game 5 is that gen g understood that most game 5s across the world goes late and they drafted a high scaling comp knowing that
12:00 Yeah, Meteos, that's exacty true. They were desperate, but they were right in their desperation. They were getting outscaled by an ultra stacked Smolder and they couldn't find ways to force good fights because GenG can just waveclear infinitely with Ziggs, Smolder and Rumble ults, so they don't ever have to interact until they want to. It was a desperation baron, but it was also the right call. They needed to be desperate and that was their best way into a winning position
Oner has had my backing since day 1. I even call him "T1 Jesus" because he came and saved T1 when they were at their lowest with Cuzz in jungle, he is THE ONLY JUNGLER T1 should have in my eyes.
After the 2017 T1 fiasco where players like Bang and Wolf got so burnt out playing so much league and doing all these other things for t1, they played awful. Even Faker got burnt out he didn't show it in his play as much. I assume that T1 would schedule around that better because this T1 roster has been around just as long as the core of Bang Wolf and Faker and we don't see them talking about it. So my assumption T1 as an org learned from its last dynasty and tried to improve it with this one.
Because that has already been disproven. If you’re not on vision, the scryer’s isn’t visible on the map. And the casters most likely knew this from the get-go but just us viewers didn’t and assumed GEN could see it.
I think we are all in agreeance that Flyquest was robbed of certain victory due to Azael being on the cast xD We love you Azael, but next time they ask you to cast NA at an international event, you say "cough cough I need a sick day, ask Kobe" xD
I think stixxay msi 2016 performance should also be up there with best rookie performances ever. That guy was smurfing and solo carrying clg to win lcs and then smurfed on the best players in msi only faling short to skt t1 in their most dominant era
I think Chovy has to perform beyond that, not just sit back win lane and wait for his teammates to popoff and just win. He has this habit of regressing into a roleplayer that just wins lane through CS advantages, I want to see him have some killer instinct and make plays for his team.
I wasn't mad at Fly for Game 5. I was more mad about the game vs Kassadin were they literally lost to a turret... twice. While Ori was low on Mana and had free time smacking on plates. It made me depressed.
I love how they were the villains after Jensen, then they get to worlds and bwipo puts a literal target on his head, but because they perform literally nobody gives a shit and we are just so damn proud 😂😂😂
Yeah I mean bipolar bwipo is very real me and my friends all still make fun of that situation. And I mean quad is a Korean Jensen pretty much so his micro is just better. But it felt bad to just force Jensen out still. I personally haven't forgotten or anything and quad didn't perform like I hoped but he did Smurf that zeri game with his movement and a quadra kill to finish.
as a t1 fan, i find it quite amusing that i can never quite tell if the lck casters and analysts kinda hate (is a strong word, more like *are tired of* i guess) t1 or not. i do understand it to a certain extent though, because they’re the ones who get the closest look at t1’s performance all year-round and as analysts who are meant to follow logic and analyze stats etc, it’s probably frustrating especially as a third party non-fan to observe logic not following t1 time and time again. and of course it’s true that there is a level of glazing around t1 due to their popularity that they might also find frustrating when current narratives around the team’s form don’t reflect their actual performance according to their observations at times. chronicler is lowkey melting during the t1 vs. geng segment and it’s hilarious. regardless, i like chronicler a lot because he’s very funny and i like his casting. also, the bit of sympathy being shown to the team as a whole and even chovy as well particularly by azael towards the end was nice, with bringing up their schedules and content obligations and such, the ddos stuff, the pressure that t1 and faker especially faces, and the criticism chovy receives.
Yeah I can understand that. As not a T1 fan, I find the amount of constant glazing by T1 fans to be the most annoying thing in all of LoL esports (both when they're doing well or poorly at the moment).
@@derekmarshman6154A fan of any team wouldn’t support their team losing. They would be fine with their team losing if they like another team in the tourney as well. That is like a Real Madrid fan going I hope we lose the next game. This isn’t exclusive to t1.
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flyquest killed it and fingers are crossed they keep the same squad next split because i personally felt like they just improved every single week the entire split and it made them the most fun team to watch in the lcs
they were unquestionably the most interesting team to watch at worlds even.
Flyquest is what we expected TL to be this worlds. Props to flyquest to spike the way they did and give NA fans real hope.
TL could have been better imo but they really didnt execute well at all and i think they got tilted from it
Still props to TL. They kinda played at the level of the teams they played against. Really had solid games against the strong teams but couldn't finish. Played poorly against the poorer teams and scraped out wins. Tbh proud of both those teams repping us in the groups stages. 100T they're very young but hopefully bounce back.
TL FRAUD 😆
haha kudos if you expected fly or hence TL to give any resistance to GenG giving them serious problems by taking 2 games i put that on a much higher shelf than beating tes or weibo (let's see how they do but yeah i expected TL to win agaisnt them and they didn't) still this GenG i had a feeling after losing the regional title they would step up and win worlds. Their meticulous way of the game feels like the worst matchup for the west and somehow they took 2 games very impressive
Props to flyquest to go out fighting
FLY was so fucking good. Massu has developed well. After their performance against GEN, I just know FLY will shit on TL next year 😂
@peytonsmith1062 i hope they keep pushing each other. If we had a 1 region team we'll just be LEC
@@peytonsmith1062a lot of teams fall apart after a good performance at international stage, hope Fly keep the same team for more years
@@peytonsmith1062 As a TL fan I've loved this organic rivalry that's developed between them as two teams. made those matches so much more engaging to watch.
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Yes and I cannot say for certain all of why they fell off but they at the very least made major cuts to coaching staff. So NRG, even though they kept their players, was a very different team after worlds 2023
Never before have I tasted the dream of a NA world championship. Thanks to FlyQuest I now expect more from NA. Was an epic match and they FINALLY gave the west some real hope. This team is on a different level
Too bad they lost like they always do
@CarlosCarlangas cool? they still showed more than any NA team has in years and pushed a team that should've run them over 3-0 to a game 5 there is still room to improve from there and gave us hope that at least one team in NA isn't a complete joke and can clearly compete internationally plus FLY might have the best adc the west has seen potentially ever and he's a rookie all you backseat critics in bronze need to chill out
@@CarlosCarlangas LEC fan still crying in Swiss stage lmao that's sad man
@@CarlosCarlangas Just like when Misfits went 5 games against T1?
@@CarlosCarlangas EU fan on an LCS channel hating on NA. *classic* 🤡 I hope life is treating you well. do you wake up every morning just to hate on NA? 🤡
The Massu glazing is actually so deserved. Love hearing him get so much love and recognition ❤️
Its crazy I feel like he's even better than Danny was, and most thought that Danny was like the peak that we would ever get for an NA rookie ADC. Massu said "oh ye of little faith" just 2 years later... maybe the gap IS closing 🤷
Definetly he seams like such a humble cool dude too
@@wardenxenon Danny was a fantastic Team fighter but really struggled in lane phase and EG basically made their entire strat about getting him thru lanephase. Massu doesnt have that same weakness while also being absolutely nutty at teamfights
So proud and honored to be a fan of FLY. Hold your heads high, boys! Also, so glad to see Chronicler on here!! Love the 'stache, man!
I’d like to formally apologize to Massu he absolutely deserved to be in the worlds music video
Doesn't matter if you think Massu didn't deserve to be in that MV. You're a random.
@@peytonsmith1062 Says the random. xD
@@peytonsmith1062 there’s a difference between not liking Massu and thinking he didn’t deserve to be in a worlds video. He’s a rookie who didn’t even attend 2023 worlds. I’ve always been a Bwipo fan and love FLY but I just thought putting a rookie in a video about the tournament which he didn’t attend was silly.
@@harboro4171 The worlds music video wasn't about 2023 worlds. It was a preview for this year, which is why FLY got featured at all.
@@peytonsmith1062 cringe comment
Always loving the dive! Thanks for the episodes boyyyyss. Flyquest truly gave me so much hope when they were up 2-1 I was so HYPE I couldn't stop yelling lmao. I'm still so proud of them for giving it their all in the end.
FlyQuest flying high, fighting fiercely, almost beating GenG, NA’s hopeium for next year rising immensely - great showing boys!
Everyone thought it was going to be a quick 3-0 and it was a close 3-2. Props to Gen G for taking down the NA titans. And finally giving hope to Korean Players that they can do anything.
I'm from Belgium and I've been supporting Bwipo for years. I've also supported Fly cause they gave players like Toucouille a chance. I now get to support the perfect combination.
Inspired's name is so fitting. There seems to be a trend of players around him performing at peak and I think it's due to his leadership, accountability, and knowledge from what I've seen in interviews. I hope he stays in NA for a long time, and I hope NA teams step up to continue to challenge each other in their own unique ways, like TL has likely made Fly much stronger everytime they outplayed them with lane swaps.
Couldn't be prouder of FlyQuest. I really hope our representatives from the Americas league next year can produce similar results internationally.
There's this interview with Thorin where Doublelift said (paraphrasing) that he no longer felt like it was possible for NA to win, and so he let his guard down against Uzi and felt alright losing to him.
I really feel like this Flyquest team didn't show that level of respect at all to Gen G. It was great to see an NA team with confidence in all aspects of their play. Self belief goes a long way. Huge props to them, and I hope the roster sticks together.
I felt so much pride watching that Fly v Gen G series. I’ve been cheering for them all year and it was amazing to see 💚 I’m excited for next year.
Flyquest is the only NA team that did well cause Bwipo/Inspired have the balls and "delusion" to think they are as good as east teams and not fear them and play their usual game. We need this kind of attitude in all western players/teams. (and of course the rest of FlyQuest players played fantastic)
The narrative is definitely focused on Massu atm (with his story/being a rookie rightfully so), but I think Busio really popped off and played at such a higher level than we've seen him play at. Honestly, everyone on the team made mistakes, and on the contrary everyone had their moment, it didn't feel like any player was bringing the team down.
Alan leveled up like crazy (I call him Alan cause we are such close friends)
From Kobe recording on his phone to Azael and Chronicler sharing a mic, Riot needs to squeeze out $100 in their budget for some hardware.
While I don't think the sharing the mic really affected anything, I definitely agree. Correct hardware shouldn't be hard
Naw fam, riot is a small start up company
competing. we just want them to compete. makes me so proud man. it's been rough out here since i started watching in 2015.
Btw just wanted to say ive enjoyed this entire season of the Dive. Probably my fav so far keep it up boys!
The other amazing thing for NA, is that these players (Massu, Busio, Yeon, APA, and Quad as well)... were NOT on the radar for best NA players at the start of 2023. The development has been very encouraging over this year!
No matter what, I will be proud of FQ this year!!!
This is why I was happy Flyquest won not Liquid. FQ had the chance to do something amazing and they did something amazing... it wasn't QUITE as amazing as it could've been, but was still amazing.
Yeah the way TL played at worlds GenG would've 3-0
@@sybslays2740 the way TL played at their peak, GenG would've 3-0.
@@seluhir8820 You answered your own comment 😂🤡
@@peytonsmith1062 no I didn't. 'sybslays2740' is not the same person as 'seluhir8820'. I was responding to the person who responded to me. Perhaps some reading comprehension classes may help you in the future, so you can avoid doing something this dumb again?
Just a fact here, the MEME region, the "near Airport" region, the one ppl ALWAYS say shouldn't be considered a major region. Went blow for blow, with the highest-ranked team who was number 1 power ranking in the world. TL almost beating the GOAT at MSI and then THIS series Just let that sink in. NA is getting better and it's only a matter of time.
Massu was a fucking hero. Azael was kinda hemming over it but WITHOUT A FUCKING SHADOW OF A DOUBT THE ABSOLUTE BEST FUCKING NA ADC IVE EVER SEEN. Massu played like a fucking #1 korean adc. His reaction times hes patience his movements his extended fighting. No man. No doubt. That kid is a fucking hero. If he was on kaisa all 5 games i think we win 3-2. The game 5 kalista pick and sett pick both were rough. If they took a mordekiaser or ornn and a jinx or something that game would have been VERY different. I cant fucking wait to see massu more in the spring split in january. That kid is incredible.
1 split of this Fly team, can’t wait to see them after a year together next worlds 💯
They had me on hopium after game 3. Well played Fly and good job holding on GenG
0:54 I was expecting Azael or Kobe to joke about Meteos missing going to the movies with Kobe lmao
Best of 3 is the reason the LCS could perform so well
Chronicler pulling off the stache.
Bro as an EU fan it's so freaking funny to see NA fans/casters going through the motions of almost beating an eastern team and just barely missing out. We feel you guys, that's the EU special.
I think one thing that needs to be said about T1's quarter's is they played three unique comps, even with previously played champs available. Guma was the only one with a repeat pick in the Xayah from game 2/3, and they looked comfortable and on the same page each time.
Chronicler is right in that they looked like a shadow of themselves through Summer and the way they're showing at Worlds right now is night and day in comparison. Although I think GenG being pushed by FLY does better them, I do think (given T1's summer performance) getting the confidence from a convincing 3-0 also does them more good than the latter. This weekend is going to be a coin flip!
It's fair to say Massu is NA's best ADC
T1 also finished 3rd at this year's MSI, not 4th.
Last year i spend over a thousand dollars to get all five jerseys thinking it was faker last worlds. I might need to buy 5 more this year.
When Kobe said FCK THAT GAP made me 😂😂😂😂
I didn’t love the baron but I think at that point they had no other option. Honestly the fiddlesticks just wasn’t able to do anything and the smolder was scaling too hard. I don’t really have the answer, I think they needed more scaling or something. But dang what a series, super proud of them!
A thing that's important to say is that the west as a whole is proud of FQ, regions fight yeah but when it comes to LCK and LPL everyone cheers for the western team.
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE KNIGHT & CHOVY SERAPHINE MID!!
NA continues producing great ADCs but Massu... that kid is different. A career-defining run at Worlds in his rookie year with an incredible backstory. That kid has the making of a star and potential legacy player. Flyquest better treat him very well.
People were D riding berserker but I found Massu and Yeon way more superior this year.
If Fly sneaks that Baron they probably win the series. Gold was dead even at that point, 1 drag each. The series really did come down to the wire, but it wasn't fluky at all. I hope C9 can field a good roster, because having three strong teams at the top of the league makes every team better.
1:00:20 T1 became 3rd at MSI this year, not 4th. Which means this roster's worst record is still being 3rd.
In regards to T1 vs GenG semifinals, just to refresh people's memories this has NOT been a good year for GenG comparatively to their previous ones.
- Spring finals - GenG vs T1 - GenG barely win 3-2
- Summer finals - GenG vs HLE - GenG barely lose 3-2
- Worlds - GenG vs FLY - GenG almost get knocked out in Quarters for the 2nd year in a row and had to claw their way back into the series being down 1-2.
Yes they did win MSI but Worlds and MSI are two entirely different beasts. Everything else they've participated in has looked questionable at best for GenG.
Even after the GenG vs FLY series I still keep hearing people say that GenG is going to sweep over T1 and I'm here looking at GenG's track record this year which has managed to stay consistently unconvincing and I'm seeing a matchup that should end up being 50/50 or even 55/45 slightly T1 favored. It would be one thing if this GenG vs FLY series was a 1 off fluke bad day for GenG but it wasn't. 3-2 barely win in Spring, 3-2 lost in Summer. This has been GenG's year - incredibly unconvincing and yet I still hear people saying they are a hard favorite and are expected to stomp T1. T1 conversely has been playing well this Worlds and has only looked more and more stable and confident. I just don't understand the GenG bias for this year in particular.
It is for sure a better year compared to their prior year. Sure they won 2 lck last year but they ended up losing to both t1/blg and placing 4th at msi while being 1st lck seed. Also crash out at worlds in quarter as one of the favorite. This year, while they didn’t win both lck, lck gotten stronger this year domestically especially with hle roster. They still was really strong in summer and lost in the rematch to hle going to g5. They also won msi convincingly. This year is for sure better for them than last year. What I will say is that they don’t look as good vs Flyquest as they usually do so if they keep that form, I favor t1 since Idc about head to head record in a different meta.
How was Meteos saying “I wasn’t really thinking about EU, I don’t wanna punch down” and Kobe calling them a minor region not the cold open? That absolutely sent me.
EDIT: My bad it was Azael not Kobe
Even funnier that Meteos has been bodies by EU junglers more times than he cares to remember xD
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>has been bodies by EU junglers more times than he cares to remember
Is this EU banter? The opposite is quite physically impossible to remember more times than he has been bodies.
Also its factually untrue, Meteos is 3-2 vs Alliance, 4-4 vs FNC, and 3-0 UoL so 10-6 vs EU.
Much of that from their IEM 9 win, where they 2-1 Alliance and 3-0 UoL
@@zym6687 actually real ones remember Meteos lee/elise bro
@@zym6687 Ah the classic EU vs NA. I said EU junglers, which NA teams have been stealing for.. 8 years?
@@XBezerkerXif we steal them they aren't eu anymore. seethe loser.
I hope t1 win. T1 Fighting!!!
Regarding the best rookie discussion, Caps did make Worlds in his rookie year. That was 2017 FNC with the near impossible 0-4 group stage start into Quarters. Other than that, JackeyLove won Worlds in his rookie year (the first year he was an actual player for a team, and not just a temporary substitute at least). Meiko won LPL and MSI in his rookie split alone. Peyz won LCK both splits in his rookie year over ZOFGK, arguably the greatest roster of all time. Zven became the best ADC in EU (or at least matched Rekkles) and made Worlds Semis in his first split (back when teams could get promoted between splits). Chovy was probably the best player in the world for most of his rookie year in 2019 and only lost in Quarters at Worlds against defending champs IG. Even ShowMaker had a more impressive rookie season I'd argue, even though he didn't go international, but considering the difference in difficulty of qualifying for Worlds in LCK and NA, I don't think that detracts much in comparison to Massu. Massu did extremely well, but calling him one of the best rookies in history is going a bit far.
the smart thing about that game 5 is that gen g understood that most game 5s across the world goes late and they drafted a high scaling comp knowing that
12:00 Yeah, Meteos, that's exacty true. They were desperate, but they were right in their desperation. They were getting outscaled by an ultra stacked Smolder and they couldn't find ways to force good fights because GenG can just waveclear infinitely with Ziggs, Smolder and Rumble ults, so they don't ever have to interact until they want to. It was a desperation baron, but it was also the right call. They needed to be desperate and that was their best way into a winning position
They played THEIR game
Oner has had my backing since day 1. I even call him "T1 Jesus" because he came and saved T1 when they were at their lowest with Cuzz in jungle, he is THE ONLY JUNGLER T1 should have in my eyes.
Great episode! As always.
35:45 NIP was not the worst team in the LPL, they were around 4-6th best out of 17????
CHRONICLERRRRRRRR
I love Oner!
NA - Semi’s is the target now. We made Quarter’s twice. Now aim for the next stage.
41:46 I think this is the first time I've ever heard Chronicler swear for real haha
The make us believe.
sadge, that shit was amazing to watch even though it didnt go our way in the end
I love Chronicler
Inspired and Massu make me have hope for NA
Massu has to compete against the OG C9 rookie year, which is definitely close.
We got the next MSF vs SKT,
I've been saying this as an EU Fan since FLY was up 1-0
C9 should be so mad seeing that LS was right about how to be competitive internationally.
What’s the incident Kobe’s referring to at 1:13:23?
Faker bang his head to the wall during lck, I think.
Kobe was cracking me up the first 10 minutes
After the 2017 T1 fiasco where players like Bang and Wolf got so burnt out playing so much league and doing all these other things for t1, they played awful. Even Faker got burnt out he didn't show it in his play as much. I assume that T1 would schedule around that better because this T1 roster has been around just as long as the core of Bang Wolf and Faker and we don't see them talking about it. So my assumption T1 as an org learned from its last dynasty and tried to improve it with this one.
From enemy of the LCS fans to NA's entire tank of copium. Fly truly on a Quest for greatness if they can get even better
as someone who didnt watch anything but the games, I was not expecting Gen Z Chronicler
The gap may not be closed, but this felt like the closest its been in a while
has anyone got the link to the oner vid doco ?
Did I miss it or did Kobe not bring up the fact that he called FLY would lock in Fiddlesticks vs GenG?
I'm surprised you didn't mention Bwipo hitting the scryers bloom towards baron which seemed to tip off GenG to Fly doing the baron.
Because that has already been disproven. If you’re not on vision, the scryer’s isn’t visible on the map. And the casters most likely knew this from the get-go but just us viewers didn’t and assumed GEN could see it.
MASSU MY GOAT
I don't even want NA to win worlds someday for me anymore, man. I want NA to win worlds for Kobe.
no way you got Pedro Pascal on the show, so this is where Riot allocates their funds
Best NA rookie year is Ballz no question
busio my goat
I think we are all in agreeance that Flyquest was robbed of certain victory due to Azael being on the cast xD We love you Azael, but next time they ask you to cast NA at an international event, you say "cough cough I need a sick day, ask Kobe" xD
Dude Quad had a CLEAN xeri. Give him some credit 26:50
Hopefully after this performance broadcast will stop talking about Massu like he's just an asset to his amazing dad
I think stixxay msi 2016 performance should also be up there with best rookie performances ever. That guy was smurfing and solo carrying clg to win lcs and then smurfed on the best players in msi only faling short to skt t1 in their most dominant era
I think Chovy has to perform beyond that, not just sit back win lane and wait for his teammates to popoff and just win.
He has this habit of regressing into a roleplayer that just wins lane through CS advantages, I want to see him have some killer instinct and make plays for his team.
I believe in T1!
glaze is a bit overdone. c9 vs afreeca felt WAY better bc they actually won
Where is the divephoria?
everyone yawning when meteos talks lol
I wasn't mad at Fly for Game 5. I was more mad about the game vs Kassadin were they literally lost to a turret... twice. While Ori was low on Mana and had free time smacking on plates.
It made me depressed.
I love how they were the villains after Jensen, then they get to worlds and bwipo puts a literal target on his head, but because they perform literally nobody gives a shit and we are just so damn proud 😂😂😂
Yeah I mean bipolar bwipo is very real me and my friends all still make fun of that situation. And I mean quad is a Korean Jensen pretty much so his micro is just better. But it felt bad to just force Jensen out still. I personally haven't forgotten or anything and quad didn't perform like I hoped but he did Smurf that zeri game with his movement and a quadra kill to finish.
Anybody else think meteos was falling asleep? I know he said he took a small nap
Yeah, my gf is Chinese (from Hangzhou) and she really knows nothing about League basically, but she still knows TheShy, Uzi and Faker
its 9-1 Odd for T1 vs GenG
Massu was regularly losing lane on Kallista into hyper-scalers? What's with the gymnastics to hype him up?
The Dive!!!
as a t1 fan, i find it quite amusing that i can never quite tell if the lck casters and analysts kinda hate (is a strong word, more like *are tired of* i guess) t1 or not. i do understand it to a certain extent though, because they’re the ones who get the closest look at t1’s performance all year-round and as analysts who are meant to follow logic and analyze stats etc, it’s probably frustrating especially as a third party non-fan to observe logic not following t1 time and time again. and of course it’s true that there is a level of glazing around t1 due to their popularity that they might also find frustrating when current narratives around the team’s form don’t reflect their actual performance according to their observations at times. chronicler is lowkey melting during the t1 vs. geng segment and it’s hilarious. regardless, i like chronicler a lot because he’s very funny and i like his casting.
also, the bit of sympathy being shown to the team as a whole and even chovy as well particularly by azael towards the end was nice, with bringing up their schedules and content obligations and such, the ddos stuff, the pressure that t1 and faker especially faces, and the criticism chovy receives.
Yeah I can understand that. As not a T1 fan, I find the amount of constant glazing by T1 fans to be the most annoying thing in all of LoL esports (both when they're doing well or poorly at the moment).
My biggest hope is that FLY makes no roster changes. I love the team and I want to see the play together for at least another full year.
as big of a T1 fan as I am, a Wrestlemania Once in a Lifetime, Chovy vs Knight BO5 for their first world championship would be absolutely crazy
bro ur not a t1 fan
@@todayont1744Clearly. T1 maniacs would refuse to watch finals if their babies weren't in it.
@@derekmarshman6154A fan of any team wouldn’t support their team losing. They would be fine with their team losing if they like another team in the tourney as well. That is like a Real Madrid fan going I hope we lose the next game. This isn’t exclusive to t1.
@@todayont1744 thanks for letting me know what i am and am not
@@tofupowdaT1 won let's fucking go🤣🤣
does reckless get mobbed in public as well for being t1?
I love crony moustache, I wish I can look as good
if next year meta has no lane swap, things would go back to normal🤣🤣
JUNGLE DiFF