Man. Can I just say how much I appreciate y'all so much Azael and Kobe. I feel like I've been watching the dive since i started watching league in 2016. You guys are the absolute best. It's been so sad the last few years watching the lcs scene dry up, players retire that we loved, not the greatest NA results, and teams leaving. But Kobe and Azael are always there consistantly. I'd throw Jatt in there too. It's so great to rely on y'all and I'm always happy you're still here. Please never leave. Y'all the GOATS ❤
"Best of the west" with ZERO chances of making it out of Quarterfinals. The only reason they're in the quarterfinals is because of the lucky draw against TL. ANY of the other teams would have destroyed FLY.
9 game day was huge! Shout out to yall for probably a 14 hour day and now the dive! Was sad though no NA/EU match all worlds. Malou should’ve drawn for end of Swiss smh. Can’t wait for the GenG game though!
RE: flyquest not scrimming eastern teams, Papa Smithy shared on caedrals stream that they hadnt yet when that quote was said, but then they started scrimming eastern teams the next day. they werent avoiding them, they just didnt have any yet
Huge respect for Azael since he showed up, and can proudly say he's right now my top 1 caster. Really passionate about the game, he is biased towards NA, but not as Vedius and some other casters where they'd literally go full delulu mode. He DOES call out NA teams when they make shitty mistakes or plays, but he also praises them when they're worth being praised. Really awesome, depth knowledge guy, yuuge respect from me!
@@nuffsaid069 HLE best in the tournament are you fucking real?? G2 also almost beat HLE with the triple baron game... LNG looked way better, same with Gen G....
for real. they were SO dominant in LCS throughout the season I was so hopeful going into Worlds. The downward spiral after losing that Summer 2024 Final deflated them so hard. Umti looks extra tilted. :(
I think they should work on being more flexible. Impact has the skill to be a carry. Apa expanded his champ pool from ziggs and asol but still couldn't play any melee mids (kled doesn't count lol)
FlyQuest represents everything The West stands for. A guy from Poland 🇵🇱 and a guy from Belgium 🇧🇪 decide “let’s form a team in NA”. They pick up two kids, one from Canada 🇨🇦 and one from the USA 🇺🇸. Then for the cherry on top they bring a talent from South Korea 🇰🇷. We are proud of the diversity of this team as it represents the diversity of western fans! It represents freedom! It represents the hope of all Western fans! Good luck boys.
I think Zac could be a pick up by Fly either in top or jungle. Inspired could cover mid a lot easier with his long engage range which lets him get in the fight and disrupt. Zac can also manage itself in a dive with passive too.
I actually really like that you guys followed the lowkey vibes of the evening--kept things chill with no guest star--because I felt like that matched the melancholy vibes that we are all feeling about how horrible the NA vs NA End of Swiss matchup was followed by the NA vs LCK Doomsday Scenario draw...ugh. It's always a tough day being an NA fan because of the haters and airport memes and constant underdog status, but with this being potentially the last Worlds that "NA/LCS" will ever be attending in the form as it exists now, it just feels especially difficult to stay positive. Like dang, we can't catch even a small break, huh? Punching bag either way, every day... Despite that sentiment, I thought all 3 of you brought up a bunch of respectable points about the draws and how TL has a hope of sticking with their same roster (which I hope they do as well), and the hopium in regards to FlyQuest and how cool their pocket picks have been... Idk how much of these comments y'all even read, and I know I'm rambling on a bit here--but thank you. Thank you SO MUCH for this episode. It just means a lot to me to even feel a bit of a pick-me-up from The Dive. Y'all made me feel a lot less sad about how everything at Worlds has been going so far, just by chatting League with each other. ❤ Thanks for being honest and fair but also kind to our teams, too. You all 3 do a great job of finding that balance with every single episode!! I love and needed this content. 🙏🏻 Thank you again.
46:54 i want to see some swain, in either mid or support. The comps at worlds so far have been so dive heavy i'm actually shocked no one has picked him up.
26:20 Anyone saying someone's bad for doing bad on a unique pick isn't an opinion worth listening to imo! Unique picks should be celebrated not used for flame. Inspired Amumu and Nunu, G2 with the Yasuo Sylas, APA with the Kled, I loved each and every one of these and they made the games way more fun to watch!
My bet is on Busio to pull out the Karma. He’s already shown some enchanters like Lulu and Senna against TL and he loves his mages. Karma also synergizes super well with Olaf which I think we will 100% see.
Syndra vs Ori was the matchup APA played earlier vs WBG where he tried to flash on Ori and got ulted back. That was a decent game for him otherwise. I think his problems aren't tied to the champion matchup, but how greedily he plays on an immobile character and he just gets punished on repeat
Kind of strange how people were blaming umti for this when APA would pick immobile picks like Syndra, play like he has full vision and back up just to die to the eventual gank/turn. Then people are like Wow umti trolled APA when APA is playing like a dog.
Has Meteos been watching T1? They look shaky in their games? Sure, but if you're comparing what they're showcasing now to LCK playoffs or regionals, they're a completely different team. I highly doubt Metoes watched LCK.
Also T1 is the only team beside GenG that has looked good in red side. T1 has played the most red side games compared to anyone in Knockout stage. Hell, I would wager all of 16 teams considering they had a single blue side game vs Pain Gaming. T1 also lead the tournament in GD@15 by 900 over 2nd place. Meteos showing why he fell off and was booted out of LCS.
i'm not going to lie, i think meteos tunneled too hard on his 'the tahm kench thing was overcooking for the sake of overcooking' angle. corejj is not a moron, and he's not someone who panics for no reason under pressure this late into his career, the guy's a world champion for god's sake - it's not that kind of 'ooh stupid decision due to pressure' choke. things you need to consider 1) kench scales amazing with max HP, and very well with size bonuses - heartsteel is naturally his best item thanks to giving both those things AND opportunities to scale even more. size bonuses give kench increased max range AND projectile speed on Q (which also has *double* bonus HP scaling - once from its own ratio, once from applying passive which has a bonus health ratio). this is a huge bonus for kench's ability to make picks, especially against opponents with high MS (we'll revisit this) 2) corejj is playing kench with a jhin ADC and a starved syndra against a k'sante, skarner team with orianna and lulu backing them up. there is ZERO chance that any standard item purchases (including locket, zeke's) will make ANY difference when the fundamental problem is that your carries simply start doing zero damage as time goes on. what's the solution here? PLAY TO MAXIMIZE THE CHANCE OF MAKING PICKS - you have absolutely no way to win grouped teamfights. note that the targets you want to pick off will have high MS thanks to Ori W and/or Lulu W, making longer range, faster Q VERY VALUABLE 3) there are literally only 3 ways to increase size via items - heartsteel (which he had), sterak's gage (not realistic to begin with + heavily wasted gold value), ELIXIR OF IRON. not to mention the other bonuses it gives like the max HP (great on kench as said) and the passive that *allows your team to follow up on picks and engages faster*. 4) purely in terms of value for gold, elixirs are actually the most efficient items in the game. just as a heads up, unless you have a legendary item completion ready, if you have 500-1k gold and feel that a critical, game-swinging fight (e.g. a fight over Elder) is about to happen in the next 2-3 minutes, BUYING AN ELIXIR IS ALWAYS MORE VALUABLE THAN JUST ANOTHER COMPONENT. this goes DOUBLE for supports in pro with their limited income where they're unlikely to finish multiple big items anyway (although we already discussed how there wasn't any item buy for Kench that would save this game) Putting that all together, CoreJJ realized that there was no item he could build that would fundamentally change the doomed scaling on TL's side. So after his Heartsteel he made the call to perma use Elixir of Iron as a hail mary to maximize the small chance of TL finding any kind of pick, THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY THEY COULD MAKE IT BACK INTO THE GAME. It's not like he just got obsessed with finding a way to abuse some sort of Tahm Kench size cheese just for the hell of it. I'm not even a TL fan (see name), but I just don't like when someone like Meteos who really should know better runs with a lazy narrative. Man was a former pro and is well aware that pros usually have SOME reasoning behind their item decisions, EVEN IF IT'S BAD REASONING. Dunno why he would choose now to start acting like it's realistic that any pro - let alone a former world champ - would just arbitrarily decide to cook some ridiculous tech *for no reason at all*. Weak stuff from him on that topic this time
I feel what Azael said about G2 and EU feeling gloom going into worlds. There were so many EU casters and G2 members saying that this was EUs last chance to win worlds.
It truly was. EU legit is known as the one team region. G2 is all they have. No one cares or even knows any of the other EU teams and Fanatic is just a drama pit
@Richardlizhu the EU fans and casters forget that 2019 was 5 years ago. G2 keeps running the region because of how incompetent every other org is. EU has just been steadily declining year after year
My take is Flyquest might bring out Vi/Skarner in the Top lane as I feel those are great champions for bwipo as it allows him to dive in and make space also denying them from the enemy and creating flex pick. I feel also that Busio playing enchanters in last series is telling, I think we might see Soraka as they like comps that absorb engages and turn them around and soraka is queen when it comes to turning around fights.
HLE averaged 4k gold lead in all 3 games. GenG does not draft garbage like Yasuo mid in this meta or run it down like HLE does. GenG 3-0 against the worst early game team.
I can see Inspired pulling out a Zac. Also an Ivern Rengar combo would be pretty crazy. Or maybe like a Khazix or Belveth could be viable in jgl. Not sure how deep the cooks will actually go though.
The problem is mid, since Yone is beating everything. I'd love to see Quad be the spot to cook from, then; either Ziggs (farm around the spectral form) or Nocturne (farm everyone else while Vedius pops off).
Literally TL couldn't adapt. APA's champ pool is a problem, Impact away from tanks isn't going to win internationally and Umti can't play anything other than tanks because TL's recipe to success all year was 3 tanks and 2 adcs
Impact,BUmTi and CoreFF all 3 of them looked pretty washed. At lot of APA problem were creating by BUmTi getting slap around by all Junglers he played against
APA doesn’t have a small champ pool anymore. He’s shown he can play a lot of different stuff. It’s unfortunate that the meta mids at worlds were just things he isn’t that confident on. Sometimes that happens, really hope he can get more comfortable on melee mids.
@ZephraFPS idk. APA only plays split push. Corki, tristana and ziggs were his most played champs (over 5 games) Neeko (4) taliyah(3). And that was summer alone. People like to glaze over the fact that TL took a game off of T1 and all that but wasn't that when t1 had all that ddos problem and couldn't practice? If APA could play anything other than splitpush, I'd say they might be in a good spot. NA was just horrible and I wouldn't be surprised if they go full Korean next year importing mid and having berserker get a green card. People will be like yeon wasn't a problem but if the possibility arises where they can field a 5 man Korean team, they will do it
The big issue with Inspired having some crazy pick strategy is he isn’t facing Peanut, he’s facing Canyon. Peanut is much more a very intelligent pathing advantage jungler - getting small incremental leads for his lanes. Canyon is a carry jungler. He will pick something aggressive like Nidalee and Inspired will not be allowed to play the game if Inspired picks something like Nunu
Tough to see TL go out with a whimper like that after a great year overall. It's never really any single player's fault, but it's hard for me to not look at APA. His limited champion pool continues to be a liability at the international level, where adaptation is a must, and he seems to frequently misposition and misexecute plays when the pressure is on. He's not a bad player, he just seems to lack that extra gear that the greatest players seem to have.
@@yeeticusfinch4377 I feel like although karthus needs to farm and may have some difficulty contesting early objectives he obviously hyper scales and even if he gets picked or killed he still delivers his damage.. seems like a great easy way to have late game insurance
I know they did sweeping changes to move adcs out of mid lane, did they nerf Zeri she seemed really strong before but now nobody picks her even as a flex pick abd Quad had a nasty game against TL on her.
Thank goodness, the team we sent to quarters actually has a small chance. I wouldn't say Flyquest has a GOOD chance of making it out of quarters, but at least they have a chance. Liquid's only chance at beating a good team in this meta would've been for all five opposing players to come down with severe covid but still insist on playing.
Who should Gen G ban vs Fly? No one. I want to see Gen G be cocky AF and just say "play whoever you want, we'll still win" and then either prove it or have it bite them in the @ss. Either way it's great entertainment.
@@mwbwyatt I agree, actually. Plus, it's worlds - you don't screw around like that just as a general rule. But it would be more entertaining if they did get cocky (esp if Fly actually does well) :)
I don’t know why people act like Fly did well against HLE lmao. They literally were down 5k gold pre 20 min in their win, when nunu is an early game champ. HLE lost the game because of their mistakes at Baron. There’s still no team even close on the level of Eastern teams other than G2.
being able to come back from a gold deficit against an exceptionally good team is just as hard as being able to get a significant gold lead and keep it. if they can be competitive they can win. they just need to make good decisions.
This is something I will agree with. People keep saying wow Flyquest threw but ignore HLE had a 4k and 5k gold lead in game 1 and 2 then threw. The fact people think this is a good sign for FQ is hilarious.
I don't have an issue with him using the Kled. But I'm not sure if I agree with Azael on liking high risk-high reward if the risk occurs 4 minutes into the game and the game is just over because it flipped tails.
Hey guys! Watch every episode, either here or on Spotify! But please stop doing a random 20 second preview at the beginning of the RUclips vids - just get into it. I hate the spoilers of a cool part of the conversation. Maybe its just me, idk. Otherwise, love it! Keep it up!
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I loved that APA went for the Kled pick. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. it is fun to see non meta champions coming out. Hopefully APA practices some mele champs for next year.
Bro if you can't watch live don't complain about spoilers. People want to talk about it. It's on you to avoid content until you watch. Don't go on RUclips
It's sad for TL that they nerfed the style they were exceptional at all year just in time for worlds. I was excited for Kled but not as much as I was for Nunu. Champ is literally game warping and it was just dropped. Worst case scenarios are that it's banned from you, but then so what you grab an OP. Didn't even realize I went from TL criticism to Fly so fast haha.
THANK YOU KOBE AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED GETTING THE MIC
100% agreed
Azael is the name of the bald dude
@@rard431 This guy's name sounds like a future champion
It even draws camera focus. It's so great
You know meteos is a real jungler when he says Nunu AND Willump
I don't know. He seems to say he doesn't know a lot.
@@thanhdohuu9473 sign of a real jungler main. clueless on everything but their camps
@@IzzyG_XIV haha seriously.
Man. Can I just say how much I appreciate y'all so much Azael and Kobe. I feel like I've been watching the dive since i started watching league in 2016. You guys are the absolute best. It's been so sad the last few years watching the lcs scene dry up, players retire that we loved, not the greatest NA results, and teams leaving. But Kobe and Azael are always there consistantly. I'd throw Jatt in there too. It's so great to rely on y'all and I'm always happy you're still here.
Please never leave. Y'all the GOATS ❤
It would've been super hard for me to cheer on FLY, but Massu works so damn hard and is such a good kid. He deserves every accolade and win.
Massu the only likeable person on FLY the rest are just terrible
Busio is just vibing and Quad doesn't even speak. What's wrong with them?
@@Err-w1w Inspired is just crazy good and he knows it, respected. Bwipo has a weird manic episode it seemed like.
@@PlsDontReadThis123 he’s just an angry child. Mad that EU got dominated yet again
I just want to tell the Dive Cast that you guys are awesome, love listening to the show on the way to work !
I just want to say - I appreciate you guys taking the extra time to put out this content when you are so bagged from the day. Cheers~
Flyquest brings the best of the west. 2 NA players. 2 EU players. 1 Korean player. This is basically the infinity gauntlet of North America
Lol
Well we saw the NA talent stacked mediocre gauntlet that was C9
Well played, you got a genuine laugh out of me.
"Best of the west" with ZERO chances of making it out of Quarterfinals. The only reason they're in the quarterfinals is because of the lucky draw against TL. ANY of the other teams would have destroyed FLY.
@@pjstartv6798 cope. Fly would be competitive and against all the other teams. probably lose to BLG. They did get it easy on the elimination draw tho
9 game day was huge! Shout out to yall for probably a 14 hour day and now the dive! Was sad though no NA/EU match all worlds. Malou should’ve drawn for end of Swiss smh. Can’t wait for the GenG game though!
Hope Fly perform like they did against hle 🙏
RE: flyquest not scrimming eastern teams, Papa Smithy shared on caedrals stream that they hadnt yet when that quote was said, but then they started scrimming eastern teams the next day. they werent avoiding them, they just didnt have any yet
Huge respect for Azael since he showed up, and can proudly say he's right now my top 1 caster. Really passionate about the game, he is biased towards NA, but not as Vedius and some other casters where they'd literally go full delulu mode. He DOES call out NA teams when they make shitty mistakes or plays, but he also praises them when they're worth being praised. Really awesome, depth knowledge guy, yuuge respect from me!
No idea what you're talking about Vedius shits on G2 when they make mistakes all the time. Now it sounds like you have an NA caster bias xD
@@XBezerkerX Yeh, i do thowards Azael... Read it again, every caster has bias towards their region, they just go delusional way to often
NA’s last hope ❌ The West’s last hope ✅
They beat gam, psg, and tl to get here. They basically cheated, there is no hope here, there is only geng on sunday
They hung heavy with HLE whose looked the best in the entire tournament. Could be a miracle run.
@@nuffsaid069 HLE best in the tournament are you fucking real?? G2 also almost beat HLE with the triple baron game... LNG looked way better, same with Gen G....
@@nuffsaid069 HLE looks like lck 3rd seed both T1 and GenG look better
@@Jeff-uu9vou mad eurodork? where eu? in the uber? LOL SEETHE EU
It's sad TL went out like that. I hope they keep most of the team together and keep building
Why they looked like shit
Umti is so gone its not even funny
for real. they were SO dominant in LCS throughout the season I was so hopeful going into Worlds.
The downward spiral after losing that Summer 2024 Final deflated them so hard.
Umti looks extra tilted. :(
I think they should work on being more flexible. Impact has the skill to be a carry. Apa expanded his champ pool from ziggs and asol but still couldn't play any melee mids (kled doesn't count lol)
@@polyfloralhoney Impact: picks Jax
Analysts: "Impact can't play carries"
Me. Impact is *literally* the reason T1 has a Worlds Champion Jax skin
FlyQuest represents everything The West stands for. A guy from Poland 🇵🇱 and a guy from Belgium 🇧🇪 decide “let’s form a team in NA”. They pick up two kids, one from Canada 🇨🇦 and one from the USA 🇺🇸. Then for the cherry on top they bring a talent from South Korea 🇰🇷.
We are proud of the diversity of this team as it represents the diversity of western fans! It represents freedom! It represents the hope of all
Western fans! Good luck boys.
The mastermind behind the squad is PappaSmithy. That is especially important for Busio who is still liability more than asset.
LEC fans when their teams get knocked out and they try to hold your hand and sing Kumbaya LOL
I liked that comment , but I just wanted to let you know I think you're cringe.
Which player was born in Poland?
@@dookiehead-ll4jw Inspired
Azazel's take at 00:25:30 is on point. Dont let the haters get you playing tanks mid.
As an NA fan I felt that Fly was our best chance in top 8, but as a TL fan I really wanted TL to win that bo3.
Meteos is giving a real Pedro Pascal energy here, I like it
I thought the same thing... need a side by side photo
I love that you guys are still doing the dive at worlds… seriously thank you for the commitment
LETSGO FLYQUEST !!!
TIME TO FLY HIGH !!! 💚
Here's a giga cook - Fly baits geng into picking kalista and Busio, he who broke out the azir support, whips out the support vex.
Bwipo Singed is my Flyquest cooking suggestion.
I said bwipo on Warwick lol I'm a huge arcane fan and season 2 is going to be insanely good I bet
@@hyskylife hopefully, Bwipo gets a cameo.
He also likes Rengar Top I heard 😁
I think Zac could be a pick up by Fly either in top or jungle. Inspired could cover mid a lot easier with his long engage range which lets him get in the fight and disrupt. Zac can also manage itself in a dive with passive too.
My crystal ball was Zac for most roles played. 😢
zac is probably a bwipo pick more than an inspired pick, id actually like to see inspired pick elise.
Love the Kia ad with the NRG execs!!! Can't wait for NEXT year, "The Faithful Shall Be Rewarded!!!!"
Nrg is leaving lcs reportedly 😢
I actually really like that you guys followed the lowkey vibes of the evening--kept things chill with no guest star--because I felt like that matched the melancholy vibes that we are all feeling about how horrible the NA vs NA End of Swiss matchup was followed by the NA vs LCK Doomsday Scenario draw...ugh. It's always a tough day being an NA fan because of the haters and airport memes and constant underdog status, but with this being potentially the last Worlds that "NA/LCS" will ever be attending in the form as it exists now, it just feels especially difficult to stay positive. Like dang, we can't catch even a small break, huh? Punching bag either way, every day...
Despite that sentiment, I thought all 3 of you brought up a bunch of respectable points about the draws and how TL has a hope of sticking with their same roster (which I hope they do as well), and the hopium in regards to FlyQuest and how cool their pocket picks have been... Idk how much of these comments y'all even read, and I know I'm rambling on a bit here--but thank you. Thank you SO MUCH for this episode. It just means a lot to me to even feel a bit of a pick-me-up from The Dive. Y'all made me feel a lot less sad about how everything at Worlds has been going so far, just by chatting League with each other. ❤ Thanks for being honest and fair but also kind to our teams, too. You all 3 do a great job of finding that balance with every single episode!! I love and needed this content. 🙏🏻 Thank you again.
I know Humanoid "played" it, but Quad might pull out Swain. He's played it in CQ a bit. 🤔
Kobe mic has arrived pog
flyquest can fucking do it! lets fucking go!
46:54 i want to see some swain, in either mid or support. The comps at worlds so far have been so dive heavy i'm actually shocked no one has picked him up.
I have a cat named Willump so when Inspired locked that bad boy in I was ecstatic 😂🥳
i wanna see Inspired on Ivern with Bwipo on Rengar (i also think if they were to do ori and use rengar as a pseduo nocturne would be even better)
This feels like mom said "if you boys don't keep it down, everyone has to go home"
Busio Azir to tilt GenG lol
It was a good run boys.
26:20 Anyone saying someone's bad for doing bad on a unique pick isn't an opinion worth listening to imo!
Unique picks should be celebrated not used for flame.
Inspired Amumu and Nunu, G2 with the Yasuo Sylas, APA with the Kled, I loved each and every one of these and they made the games way more fun to watch!
Oh and Bwipo Urgot!
the others i agree with but the kled was straight up running it down.
Picking Kled when Yone and Skarner was up is absolutely garbage level drafting skills and should never be praised
If we never innovate, how does the meta ever evolve?!
Soon as a team doesn't pick off meta, they have no style. Soon as they do, they're trolling the draft. The community is hilarious lol.
My bet is on Busio to pull out the Karma. He’s already shown some enchanters like Lulu and Senna against TL and he loves his mages. Karma also synergizes super well with Olaf which I think we will 100% see.
andy miller and NRG being in the ad despite leaving the LCS is absolutely killing me
I hear you meteos, I'll put my life savings on Fly
Syndra vs Ori was the matchup APA played earlier vs WBG where he tried to flash on Ori and got ulted back. That was a decent game for him otherwise. I think his problems aren't tied to the champion matchup, but how greedily he plays on an immobile character and he just gets punished on repeat
Kind of strange how people were blaming umti for this when APA would pick immobile picks like Syndra, play like he has full vision and back up just to die to the eventual gank/turn. Then people are like Wow umti trolled APA when APA is playing like a dog.
Has Meteos been watching T1? They look shaky in their games? Sure, but if you're comparing what they're showcasing now to LCK playoffs or regionals, they're a completely different team. I highly doubt Metoes watched LCK.
Also T1 is the only team beside GenG that has looked good in red side. T1 has played the most red side games compared to anyone in Knockout stage. Hell, I would wager all of 16 teams considering they had a single blue side game vs Pain Gaming. T1 also lead the tournament in GD@15 by 900 over 2nd place. Meteos showing why he fell off and was booted out of LCS.
T1 are ramping, worlds is just their playground. I fully expect T1 to just show up and body GenG.
i'm not going to lie, i think meteos tunneled too hard on his 'the tahm kench thing was overcooking for the sake of overcooking' angle. corejj is not a moron, and he's not someone who panics for no reason under pressure this late into his career, the guy's a world champion for god's sake - it's not that kind of 'ooh stupid decision due to pressure' choke.
things you need to consider
1) kench scales amazing with max HP, and very well with size bonuses - heartsteel is naturally his best item thanks to giving both those things AND opportunities to scale even more. size bonuses give kench increased max range AND projectile speed on Q (which also has *double* bonus HP scaling - once from its own ratio, once from applying passive which has a bonus health ratio). this is a huge bonus for kench's ability to make picks, especially against opponents with high MS (we'll revisit this)
2) corejj is playing kench with a jhin ADC and a starved syndra against a k'sante, skarner team with orianna and lulu backing them up. there is ZERO chance that any standard item purchases (including locket, zeke's) will make ANY difference when the fundamental problem is that your carries simply start doing zero damage as time goes on. what's the solution here? PLAY TO MAXIMIZE THE CHANCE OF MAKING PICKS - you have absolutely no way to win grouped teamfights. note that the targets you want to pick off will have high MS thanks to Ori W and/or Lulu W, making longer range, faster Q VERY VALUABLE
3) there are literally only 3 ways to increase size via items - heartsteel (which he had), sterak's gage (not realistic to begin with + heavily wasted gold value), ELIXIR OF IRON. not to mention the other bonuses it gives like the max HP (great on kench as said) and the passive that *allows your team to follow up on picks and engages faster*.
4) purely in terms of value for gold, elixirs are actually the most efficient items in the game. just as a heads up, unless you have a legendary item completion ready, if you have 500-1k gold and feel that a critical, game-swinging fight (e.g. a fight over Elder) is about to happen in the next 2-3 minutes, BUYING AN ELIXIR IS ALWAYS MORE VALUABLE THAN JUST ANOTHER COMPONENT. this goes DOUBLE for supports in pro with their limited income where they're unlikely to finish multiple big items anyway (although we already discussed how there wasn't any item buy for Kench that would save this game)
Putting that all together, CoreJJ realized that there was no item he could build that would fundamentally change the doomed scaling on TL's side. So after his Heartsteel he made the call to perma use Elixir of Iron as a hail mary to maximize the small chance of TL finding any kind of pick, THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY THEY COULD MAKE IT BACK INTO THE GAME. It's not like he just got obsessed with finding a way to abuse some sort of Tahm Kench size cheese just for the hell of it.
I'm not even a TL fan (see name), but I just don't like when someone like Meteos who really should know better runs with a lazy narrative. Man was a former pro and is well aware that pros usually have SOME reasoning behind their item decisions, EVEN IF IT'S BAD REASONING. Dunno why he would choose now to start acting like it's realistic that any pro - let alone a former world champ - would just arbitrarily decide to cook some ridiculous tech *for no reason at all*. Weak stuff from him on that topic this time
I feel what Azael said about G2 and EU feeling gloom going into worlds. There were so many EU casters and G2 members saying that this was EUs last chance to win worlds.
It truly was. EU legit is known as the one team region. G2 is all they have. No one cares or even knows any of the other EU teams and Fanatic is just a drama pit
Idk where that sentiment is even coming from, EU has never been farther from winning worlds, they didn’t even make it to playoffs
@Richardlizhu the EU fans and casters forget that 2019 was 5 years ago. G2 keeps running the region because of how incompetent every other org is. EU has just been steadily declining year after year
My take is Flyquest might bring out Vi/Skarner in the Top lane as I feel those are great champions for bwipo as it allows him to dive in and make space also denying them from the enemy and creating flex pick. I feel also that Busio playing enchanters in last series is telling, I think we might see Soraka as they like comps that absorb engages and turn them around and soraka is queen when it comes to turning around fights.
Sending it full hopium. 3-2 fly. We almost got 2 games off HLE. Let's make some magic happen!
HLE averaged 4k gold lead in all 3 games. GenG does not draft garbage like Yasuo mid in this meta or run it down like HLE does. GenG 3-0 against the worst early game team.
I will go bald if Flyquest beats GenG
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg yup, NA cope acting like HLE played their best and totally didn't make so many mistakes.
Could you imagine a game with Inspired's Ivern and Bwipo's Rengar with a like a Swain mid.
I can see Inspired pulling out a Zac. Also an Ivern Rengar combo would be pretty crazy. Or maybe like a Khazix or Belveth could be viable in jgl. Not sure how deep the cooks will actually go though.
The problem is mid, since Yone is beating everything. I'd love to see Quad be the spot to cook from, then; either Ziggs (farm around the spectral form) or Nocturne (farm everyone else while Vedius pops off).
Literally TL couldn't adapt. APA's champ pool is a problem, Impact away from tanks isn't going to win internationally and Umti can't play anything other than tanks because TL's recipe to success all year was 3 tanks and 2 adcs
Impact,BUmTi and CoreFF all 3 of them looked pretty washed. At lot of APA problem were creating by BUmTi getting slap around by all Junglers he played against
Impact is insane at tanks and insanely bad at anything else. And that's not being talked about anywhere near enough by analysts.
APA doesn’t have a small champ pool anymore. He’s shown he can play a lot of different stuff. It’s unfortunate that the meta mids at worlds were just things he isn’t that confident on. Sometimes that happens, really hope he can get more comfortable on melee mids.
@@ZephraFPS playing different things doesn't mean you're good on them. And he's only being good at control mages.
@ZephraFPS idk. APA only plays split push. Corki, tristana and ziggs were his most played champs (over 5 games) Neeko (4) taliyah(3). And that was summer alone. People like to glaze over the fact that TL took a game off of T1 and all that but wasn't that when t1 had all that ddos problem and couldn't practice? If APA could play anything other than splitpush, I'd say they might be in a good spot. NA was just horrible and I wouldn't be surprised if they go full Korean next year importing mid and having berserker get a green card. People will be like yeon wasn't a problem but if the possibility arises where they can field a 5 man Korean team, they will do it
The big issue with Inspired having some crazy pick strategy is he isn’t facing Peanut, he’s facing Canyon. Peanut is much more a very intelligent pathing advantage jungler - getting small incremental leads for his lanes. Canyon is a carry jungler. He will pick something aggressive like Nidalee and Inspired will not be allowed to play the game if Inspired picks something like Nunu
It’s crazy how FLY of all teams is the best Western team
I could see cooking some Maokai top for some Mao/Amumu/Rell engages and play to group and force an early soul and take fights in jungle chokes.
If you want to know what FlyQuest is cooking, just tune into LS's stream, I'm pretty sure he's the source of the Nunu.
Though I'll add one of mine: Udyr jungle is disgusting, and it's technically a flex.
APA really got exposed this tournament. The lack of ability to play Yone (and most melee champions) was extremely detrimental to the team.
I don't know if Quad plays it or if it's even close to good right now, but I'd love to see some mid lane Vel'Koz at worlds.
damn soulmario mention. we are ogs here. any1 mentionning supermetroid?
Tough to see TL go out with a whimper like that after a great year overall. It's never really any single player's fault, but it's hard for me to not look at APA. His limited champion pool continues to be a liability at the international level, where adaptation is a must, and he seems to frequently misposition and misexecute plays when the pressure is on. He's not a bad player, he just seems to lack that extra gear that the greatest players seem to have.
Question: do you think karthus is a good pick for inspired if Lilia is banned ?
If you can draft winning enough lanes to help defend from invades / contest crab i like it
In LCS, sure. Not vs Gen G. He's not going to have any lane prio and will just get steamrolled with co-ordinated invades
Karthus is nerfed and kinda weak
@@yeeticusfinch4377 I feel like although karthus needs to farm and may have some difficulty contesting early objectives he obviously hyper scales and even if he gets picked or killed he still delivers his damage.. seems like a great easy way to have late game insurance
last hope is memeos' new moustache and goatee
why did they force this to come out now when there's a literal week break? let them do it tomorrow ffs
After the Ivern earlier in the tournament and the Redemption Nunu, I am expecting Yuumi jungle will beat GenG. Baby proof Bwipo
Teemo jungle or bust! They will bring in the Curling Captain himself for the good sauce and cook up something special.
I know they did sweeping changes to move adcs out of mid lane, did they nerf Zeri she seemed really strong before but now nobody picks her even as a flex pick abd Quad had a nasty game against TL on her.
TL is a big fish in a small pond. FLY just DIFFERENT!
Sion support double jungle is my suggestion 46:04
SOULMARIO MENTIONED 🧙
Thank goodness, the team we sent to quarters actually has a small chance. I wouldn't say Flyquest has a GOOD chance of making it out of quarters, but at least they have a chance. Liquid's only chance at beating a good team in this meta would've been for all five opposing players to come down with severe covid but still insist on playing.
Eu got felted this tournament, now we can watch them seethe and cope over this till next international
EU looked so bad but G2 looked amazing in that last series. I wanted to see them get through, they were the west's best chance.
Who should Gen G ban vs Fly? No one.
I want to see Gen G be cocky AF and just say "play whoever you want, we'll still win" and then either prove it or have it bite them in the @ss.
Either way it's great entertainment.
i think GenG will be a lot more respectful of FLY after their performances vs HLE rather than be cocky in drafts
@@mwbwyatt I agree, actually. Plus, it's worlds - you don't screw around like that just as a general rule.
But it would be more entertaining if they did get cocky (esp if Fly actually does well) :)
I think the way to win these games against the east you have to pick a objective control tanky jungler Scharner is OP new new was good
"might be a quick one" checks video length. Nearly 1.5h XD
I don’t know why people act like Fly did well against HLE lmao. They literally were down 5k gold pre 20 min in their win, when nunu is an early game champ. HLE lost the game because of their mistakes at Baron. There’s still no team even close on the level of Eastern teams other than G2.
G2 stuck in Swiss two years in a row LOL
@@diaperamess NA hasn’t beaten an lpl or lck team since 2018 LOL
being able to come back from a gold deficit against an exceptionally good team is just as hard as being able to get a significant gold lead and keep it. if they can be competitive they can win. they just need to make good decisions.
cope and seethe
This is something I will agree with. People keep saying wow Flyquest threw but ignore HLE had a 4k and 5k gold lead in game 1 and 2 then threw. The fact people think this is a good sign for FQ is hilarious.
People are severely sleeping on Sylas.
I wonder if Bwipo will play xin zhao top since he's been playing it in solo queue and says it's strong
I don't have an issue with him using the Kled. But I'm not sure if I agree with Azael on liking high risk-high reward if the risk occurs 4 minutes into the game and the game is just over because it flipped tails.
The only way fly win vs gen g is if they win the bot lane. If they can win bot it will make the game way more real for them
Sion so we can hit them with the death split push lets goo
i think given the meta, good chanpions could be ryze syndra cassio galio. orianna. xin ivern . renekton oalf- ill be hard
46:30 Bwipo Gangplank!! Trust me, totally unbiased
Yes
The Dive!!!
It kind of surprises me that casseo isn't better into yone. I don't play either champ tho
Hey guys! Watch every episode, either here or on Spotify! But please stop doing a random 20 second preview at the beginning of the RUclips vids - just get into it. I hate the spoilers of a cool part of the conversation. Maybe its just me, idk. Otherwise, love it! Keep it up!
Nah
I THINK THEY CAN DO NOCTURNE FIDDLESTICKS COMP. OR ORIANA NOCTURNE GALIO J4.
THEY CAN DO RENGAR SENNA, RENGAR IVERN . OLAF ENCHANTER. OLAF IVERN.
twisted fate ryze. SHEN
Its' so funny how they still got the Kia AD with NRG owner on it even went they are out of the league LMAO
The amount of delulu here is crazy lol
I loved that APA went for the Kled pick. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. it is fun to see non meta champions coming out. Hopefully APA practices some mele champs for next year.
Kobe with a mic 😤
cant wait to see fly get 3-0'd
23 mins avg game time
ohhhh yeaaaaaaa
Never wanna hear that TL were the real number one seed again
No one cares what you want
TL was the real number one seed!
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@@rainorshine6998 didn't asked what you think
C9 would've beat r7.....
So NA number 1 seed got eliminated by a minor region?😂😂😂😂
I think we are gonna see Kog'maw make an appearance
Nunu is supposed to be a strong pick. LS has said this over and over again.
Flyquest got gifted a quart birth. Can't wait to see mid get gapped.
some of the games is already over before the it even starts just by the draft alone
38:59 When you get side picked jungle and go 6/1/8
Love you guys but please dont put spoilers on titles for those who can't watch the recording within a day :(
Bro if you can't watch live don't complain about spoilers. People want to talk about it. It's on you to avoid content until you watch. Don't go on RUclips
@@Suge67 to be fair, people watch the game vods on youtube and their eyes can catch titles that spoil while looking for them or just opening the site.
Homie its a tournament, if you can’t watch it then you don’t care.
@@Suge67 hey dum dum have you considered RUclips is the place I watch the replay?
@@Tecmaster96 not all of us sit at home every weekend like you
It's sad for TL that they nerfed the style they were exceptional at all year just in time for worlds. I was excited for Kled but not as much as I was for Nunu. Champ is literally game warping and it was just dropped. Worst case scenarios are that it's banned from you, but then so what you grab an OP.
Didn't even realize I went from TL criticism to Fly so fast haha.
Imagine LS coaching Inspired and Bwipo! The cookery would be hot
Thresh from Busio incoming
i think inspired would play briar
It would be even better if there were subtitles from the regions participating in the World Championship !!!!!!
No way they don't replace Umti. I know APA played bad at worlds, but he was at least good all year. Umti was a loss condition for the entire season.
Where is the Inspired permaban Lilia