"Best of the west" with ZERO chances of making it out of Quarterfinals. The only reason they're in the quarterfinals is because of the lucky draw against TL. ANY of the other teams would have destroyed FLY.
9 game day was huge! Shout out to yall for probably a 14 hour day and now the dive! Was sad though no NA/EU match all worlds. Malou should’ve drawn for end of Swiss smh. Can’t wait for the GenG game though!
@@nuffsaid069 HLE best in the tournament are you fucking real?? G2 also almost beat HLE with the triple baron game... LNG looked way better, same with Gen G....
FlyQuest represents everything The West stands for. A guy from Poland 🇵🇱 and a guy from Belgium 🇧🇪 decide “let’s form a team in NA”. They pick up two kids, one from Canada 🇨🇦 and one from the USA 🇺🇸. Then for the cherry on top they bring a talent from South Korea 🇰🇷. We are proud of the diversity of this team as it represents the diversity of western fans! It represents freedom! It represents the hope of all Western fans! Good luck boys.
RE: flyquest not scrimming eastern teams, Papa Smithy shared on caedrals stream that they hadnt yet when that quote was said, but then they started scrimming eastern teams the next day. they werent avoiding them, they just didnt have any yet
for real. they were SO dominant in LCS throughout the season I was so hopeful going into Worlds. The downward spiral after losing that Summer 2024 Final deflated them so hard. Umti looks extra tilted. :(
I think they should work on being more flexible. Impact has the skill to be a carry. Apa expanded his champ pool from ziggs and asol but still couldn't play any melee mids (kled doesn't count lol)
HLE averaged 4k gold lead in all 3 games. GenG does not draft garbage like Yasuo mid in this meta or run it down like HLE does. GenG 3-0 against the worst early game team.
My take is Flyquest might bring out Vi/Skarner in the Top lane as I feel those are great champions for bwipo as it allows him to dive in and make space also denying them from the enemy and creating flex pick. I feel also that Busio playing enchanters in last series is telling, I think we might see Soraka as they like comps that absorb engages and turn them around and soraka is queen when it comes to turning around fights.
I feel what Azael said about G2 and EU feeling gloom going into worlds. There were so many EU casters and G2 members saying that this was EUs last chance to win worlds.
It truly was. EU legit is known as the one team region. G2 is all they have. No one cares or even knows any of the other EU teams and Fanatic is just a drama pit
I think Zac could be a pick up by Fly either in top or jungle. Inspired could cover mid a lot easier with his long engage range which lets him get in the fight and disrupt. Zac can also manage itself in a dive with passive too.
I actually really like that you guys followed the lowkey vibes of the evening--kept things chill with no guest star--because I felt like that matched the melancholy vibes that we are all feeling about how horrible the NA vs NA End of Swiss matchup was followed by the NA vs LCK Doomsday Scenario draw...ugh. It's always a tough day being an NA fan because of the haters and airport memes and constant underdog status, but with this being potentially the last Worlds that "NA/LCS" will ever be attending in the form as it exists now, it just feels especially difficult to stay positive. Like dang, we can't catch even a small break, huh? Punching bag either way, every day... Despite that sentiment, I thought all 3 of you brought up a bunch of respectable points about the draws and how TL has a hope of sticking with their same roster (which I hope they do as well), and the hopium in regards to FlyQuest and how cool their pocket picks have been... Idk how much of these comments y'all even read, and I know I'm rambling on a bit here--but thank you. Thank you SO MUCH for this episode. It just means a lot to me to even feel a bit of a pick-me-up from The Dive. Y'all made me feel a lot less sad about how everything at Worlds has been going so far, just by chatting League with each other. ❤ Thanks for being honest and fair but also kind to our teams, too. You all 3 do a great job of finding that balance with every single episode!! I love and needed this content. 🙏🏻 Thank you again.
Syndra vs Ori was the matchup APA played earlier vs WBG where he tried to flash on Ori and got ulted back. That was a decent game for him otherwise. I think his problems aren't tied to the champion matchup, but how greedily he plays on an immobile character and he just gets punished on repeat
Kind of strange how people were blaming umti for this when APA would pick immobile picks like Syndra, play like he has full vision and back up just to die to the eventual gank/turn. Then people are like Wow umti trolled APA when APA is playing like a dog.
Literally TL couldn't adapt. APA's champ pool is a problem, Impact away from tanks isn't going to win internationally and Umti can't play anything other than tanks because TL's recipe to success all year was 3 tanks and 2 adcs
Impact,BUmTi and CoreFF all 3 of them looked pretty washed. At lot of APA problem were creating by BUmTi getting slap around by all Junglers he played against
APA doesn’t have a small champ pool anymore. He’s shown he can play a lot of different stuff. It’s unfortunate that the meta mids at worlds were just things he isn’t that confident on. Sometimes that happens, really hope he can get more comfortable on melee mids.
@ZephraFPS idk. APA only plays split push. Corki, tristana and ziggs were his most played champs (over 5 games) Neeko (4) taliyah(3). And that was summer alone. People like to glaze over the fact that TL took a game off of T1 and all that but wasn't that when t1 had all that ddos problem and couldn't practice? If APA could play anything other than splitpush, I'd say they might be in a good spot. NA was just horrible and I wouldn't be surprised if they go full Korean next year importing mid and having berserker get a green card. People will be like yeon wasn't a problem but if the possibility arises where they can field a 5 man Korean team, they will do it
Flyquest is soooo cooked they have a terrible bot lane and their early game is dogshit. Gen g will not let them off the hook the way TL did. Fly is gonna get dog walked.
@@theelectricant98 they're bot lane got dog walked by TL bot lane buddy think about what's gonna happened when they mean Gen G bot lane 😂😂 the difference is Gen G will not let up and that's not the only difference. Chovy and Canyon aren't gonna go 1-10 against the Fly mid jg. Flyquest is fucked just watch.
26:20 Anyone saying someone's bad for doing bad on a unique pick isn't an opinion worth listening to imo! Unique picks should be celebrated not used for flame. Inspired Amumu and Nunu, G2 with the Yasuo Sylas, APA with the Kled, I loved each and every one of these and they made the games way more fun to watch!
Has Meteos been watching T1? They look shaky in their games? Sure, but if you're comparing what they're showcasing now to LCK playoffs or regionals, they're a completely different team. I highly doubt Metoes watched LCK.
Also T1 is the only team beside GenG that has looked good in red side. T1 has played the most red side games compared to anyone in Knockout stage. Hell, I would wager all of 16 teams considering they had a single blue side game vs Pain Gaming. T1 also lead the tournament in GD@15 by 900 over 2nd place. Meteos showing why he fell off and was booted out of LCS.
I can see Inspired pulling out a Zac. Also an Ivern Rengar combo would be pretty crazy. Or maybe like a Khazix or Belveth could be viable in jgl. Not sure how deep the cooks will actually go though.
I know they did sweeping changes to move adcs out of mid lane, did they nerf Zeri she seemed really strong before but now nobody picks her even as a flex pick abd Quad had a nasty game against TL on her.
I loved that APA went for the Kled pick. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. it is fun to see non meta champions coming out. Hopefully APA practices some mele champs for next year.
I don’t know why people act like Fly did well against HLE lmao. They literally were down 5k gold pre 20 min in their win, when nunu is an early game champ. HLE lost the game because of their mistakes at Baron. There’s still no team even close on the level of Eastern teams other than G2.
being able to come back from a gold deficit against an exceptionally good team is just as hard as being able to get a significant gold lead and keep it. if they can be competitive they can win. they just need to make good decisions.
This is something I will agree with. People keep saying wow Flyquest threw but ignore HLE had a 4k and 5k gold lead in game 1 and 2 then threw. The fact people think this is a good sign for FQ is hilarious.
It's sad for TL that they nerfed the style they were exceptional at all year just in time for worlds. I was excited for Kled but not as much as I was for Nunu. Champ is literally game warping and it was just dropped. Worst case scenarios are that it's banned from you, but then so what you grab an OP. Didn't even realize I went from TL criticism to Fly so fast haha.
I don't have an issue with him using the Kled. But I'm not sure if I agree with Azael on liking high risk-high reward if the risk occurs 4 minutes into the game and the game is just over because it flipped tails.
Who should Gen G ban vs Fly? No one. I want to see Gen G be cocky AF and just say "play whoever you want, we'll still win" and then either prove it or have it bite them in the @ss. Either way it's great entertainment.
@@mwbwyatt I agree, actually. Plus, it's worlds - you don't screw around like that just as a general rule. But it would be more entertaining if they did get cocky (esp if Fly actually does well) :)
1) No excuse losing on blue side with 61% win rate atm. 2) Riots backfire keep changing rules trying to make western teams easier to qualify to quarter (& it did help NA twice now with NRG & FLY). So don't complain.
Im so glad meteos brought up how teams also need to play around their laners. APA was dicking quad in game 1 before he got ganked 3 or 4 times but all people will see is the 0-6 score line.
He got dicked because he picked an immobile mage and kept over extending with no vision. Xin is not going to gank a Oriana that isn't low and being shoved to her tower. Hell, they don't even win the 2v2.
The only reason I'd cheer for flyquest is for massu and quad, they're good kids. TL kinda won LCS in spring and regular season in summer with great drafts and lane swapping. everyone caught up to them in lane swapping and their drafts were kinda garbage all worlds. It seems like they just overcooked everything. Flyquest was just better. Even being a TL fan, I can certainly admit flyquest was the better team by the end of the year. Impact is a monster on k'sante, why he wasn't perma on k'sante the entire time was insane. Also, jhin needs to sit out a bit. There are so many comps he just doesn't work well against.
Bro if you can't watch live don't complain about spoilers. People want to talk about it. It's on you to avoid content until you watch. Don't go on RUclips
These guys will never say it. But APA just isn’t good. Not being able to play the core Mid Mages, can’t play Yone, not good at adapting to the meta. You’re niche picks can’t be your only tool
There is nothing much going for them content wise. Hey guys look he is bantering (ignores he is just picking a hard lane winning match up where his jungle/support are just playing for mid).
I still think TL would have had a better chance at making it past quarter finals. However I fear APA just isn't good enough. I just hope FLY and TL don't completely blow up their rosters like NA tends to do
Yep apa is not it. They have 2 import slots for mid/jungle. Even somebody like clozer from the lck could be huge. You can’t risk a entire year on apa again. Also anyone in their right mind rather plays with a actual monster like bdd or rookie instead of apa which biggest strength is to type. He abused ziggs and aurelion in their completely broken state. He offers nothing
Why is azael talking about G2 not being so strong because they dont have another team in the region while NA hase TL FLY and C9. NA has beat 0 LCK or LPL teams. Dont rewrite history. NA reached top 8, but has not shown that they ARE top 8.
Because eu looked uncharacteristically weak this year. He was speculating on some ideas for why they look so weak when they historically were much more competitive against Eastern teams
I understand that, but they still looked the most competitive against Eastern teams. They got rolled by t1, but other than that they won against weibo and blg was so close. I don't want to take away from fly in their game with hle, but I really think g2 lategame and teamfighting got waaay better than last year. Early game went down but mid and late game got waaay better.
The HLE vs FLY match is more proof that the west have better drafting but it only matters so much when the east just hands diff too hard. How they played against nunu would get you bombarded by flame in soloq
I feel like Azael point of "if you want to win worlds.. well you have to face the hard teams" is just dumb We are still in Swiss and Swiss = Group stage How many times have teams ramped up through worlds into going deep or winning? Like sure eventually your gonna have to beat top teams.. but not have 4 out of 5 games/series be against probably the best teams in the world (hle/blg/t1/wbg) But in 2019 if FPX had a half decent group they might have gone out in groups.. I can tell you if they faced the equivalent of HLE, WBG, T1, BLG early on.. they probably just go out (like in 2021) And that's the problem.. i think if G2 had got through.. i'd like to see a b05 vs LNG/WBG/HLE/DK.. i don't think these teams are obviously better.. it would also have been a tragedy if G2 clutched up and won.. because BLG are also so much better then the other 4 teams in 2-2 bracket There needs to be some kind of better seeding going forward
Hey guys! Watch every episode, either here or on Spotify! But please stop doing a random 20 second preview at the beginning of the RUclips vids - just get into it. I hate the spoilers of a cool part of the conversation. Maybe its just me, idk. Otherwise, love it! Keep it up!
Flyquest went 3-2 overall. Lost 2 vs korean team and won 3 vs pacific, vietnam and NA. xD They are vs GenG first round Knockouts. Idk stats dont tell story I guess. More luck than skill here.
Azael I get the argument for risky picks being exciting and need. Those picks come in when standard meta isn’t working or when the other team is way better than you on meta. They showed in game 2 they can win normally. Why risk it then?
I love the dive but can we please stop spoiling the weekend series in the title? It pops up at the top of my reccomended as I’m trying to go watch the vods :(
NA/EU teams have to stop trying to beat Korean/Chinese teams at their own game. NA/EU actually won some games when they brought their own creative twist to the game. The East teams showed that they were fallible against non-meta.
people have said this for years, but another thing is that NA/EU teams have shown they CAN consistently get AHEAD of better teams. but its like, they KNOW theyre ahead, and they know how good the other team is, so they have to constantly make better plays and they misstep and all it takes is one mistake and theyll close the game over it.
@@ovs4744 Do you not understand how the formats work? Since it's been changed an LEC team has never advanced past Swiss lmao it's not that hard to comprehend
I thought Orianna Nocturne is a good combo. It's unlucky that they lost but the combo is good and them locking that duo in isn't the reason they lost. Sure they could've picked something else but its not like they picked something disorganized.
Exactly, on the last episode the boys were talking about how the combo was so broken it needs to be nerfed lol, it's for sure a reasonable draft strategy
The problem isn't the combo, the problem is drafting it on 1+2 pick while giving over something like skarner while also letting the enemies know what you want to do so they can draft carries with self peel into it
Era of NA prodigies and big names feels like it’s ended. Now we’re out searching and training new talent. We will need a few years to regain that former strength because tbh we do feel like a weak region rn. EU too… disregarding G2
There’s a reason the rookie Massu is in the worlds video. And don’t sleep on Busio. 2nd Worlds in a row NA placed better than EU wild timeline we’re in rn.
GenG will stomp them. Don't be deluded, DrAmer1can. Also G2 won more games vs Asian teams than the whole of NA combined, went the furthest from the west at MSI and had by far the hardest road out of swiss stage and still almost made it. NA is still trash.
@@DrAmer1can last year yes. This year no. Na hasn't looked even remotely good apart from the hanwha series with fly and have lost quite a few games with minor region teams and the only reason they are at quarters is because they played each other. Meanwhile g2 had to face t1 and blg..
THANK YOU KOBE AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED GETTING THE MIC
100% agreed
Azael is the name of the bald dude
@@rard431 This guy's name sounds like a future champion
It would've been super hard for me to cheer on FLY, but Massu works so damn hard and is such a good kid. He deserves every accolade and win.
Massu the only likeable person on FLY the rest are just terrible
Busio is just vibing and Quad doesn't even speak. What's wrong with them?
@@Err-w1w Inspired is just crazy good and he knows it, respected. Bwipo has a weird manic episode it seemed like.
You know meteos is a real jungler when he says Nunu AND Willump
I don't know. He seems to say he doesn't know a lot.
I just want to tell the Dive Cast that you guys are awesome, love listening to the show on the way to work !
Flyquest brings the best of the west. 2 NA players. 2 EU players. 1 Korean player. This is basically the infinity gauntlet of North America
Lol
Well we saw the NA talent stacked mediocre gauntlet that was C9
Well played, you got a genuine laugh out of me.
"Best of the west" with ZERO chances of making it out of Quarterfinals. The only reason they're in the quarterfinals is because of the lucky draw against TL. ANY of the other teams would have destroyed FLY.
@@pjstartv6798 cope. Fly would be competitive and against all the other teams. probably lose to BLG. They did get it easy on the elimination draw tho
9 game day was huge! Shout out to yall for probably a 14 hour day and now the dive! Was sad though no NA/EU match all worlds. Malou should’ve drawn for end of Swiss smh. Can’t wait for the GenG game though!
NA’s last hope ❌ The West’s last hope ✅
They beat gam, psg, and tl to get here. They basically cheated, there is no hope here, there is only geng on sunday
They hung heavy with HLE whose looked the best in the entire tournament. Could be a miracle run.
@@nuffsaid069 HLE best in the tournament are you fucking real?? G2 also almost beat HLE with the triple baron game... LNG looked way better, same with Gen G....
@@nuffsaid069 HLE looks like lck 3rd seed both T1 and GenG look better
@@Jeff-uu9vou mad eurodork? where eu? in the uber? LOL SEETHE EU
Hope Fly perform like they did against hle 🙏
FlyQuest represents everything The West stands for. A guy from Poland 🇵🇱 and a guy from Belgium 🇧🇪 decide “let’s form a team in NA”. They pick up two kids, one from Canada 🇨🇦 and one from the USA 🇺🇸. Then for the cherry on top they bring a talent from South Korea 🇰🇷.
We are proud of the diversity of this team as it represents the diversity of western fans! It represents freedom! It represents the hope of all
Western fans! Good luck boys.
The mastermind behind the squad is PappaSmithy. That is especially important for Busio who is still liability more than asset.
LEC fans when their teams get knocked out and they try to hold your hand and sing Kumbaya LOL
I liked that comment , but I just wanted to let you know I think you're cringe.
Which player was born in Poland?
@@dookiehead-ll4jw Inspired
RE: flyquest not scrimming eastern teams, Papa Smithy shared on caedrals stream that they hadnt yet when that quote was said, but then they started scrimming eastern teams the next day. they werent avoiding them, they just didnt have any yet
Meteos is giving a real Pedro Pascal energy here, I like it
It's sad TL went out like that. I hope they keep most of the team together and keep building
Why they looked like shit
Umti is so gone its not even funny
for real. they were SO dominant in LCS throughout the season I was so hopeful going into Worlds.
The downward spiral after losing that Summer 2024 Final deflated them so hard.
Umti looks extra tilted. :(
I think they should work on being more flexible. Impact has the skill to be a carry. Apa expanded his champ pool from ziggs and asol but still couldn't play any melee mids (kled doesn't count lol)
@@polyfloralhoney Impact: picks Jax
Analysts: "Impact can't play carries"
Me. Impact is *literally* the reason T1 has a Worlds Champion Jax skin
As an NA fan I felt that Fly was our best chance in top 8, but as a TL fan I really wanted TL to win that bo3.
I love that you guys are still doing the dive at worlds… seriously thank you for the commitment
This feels like mom said "if you boys don't keep it down, everyone has to go home"
LETSGO FLYQUEST !!!
TIME TO FLY HIGH !!! 💚
Sending it full hopium. 3-2 fly. We almost got 2 games off HLE. Let's make some magic happen!
HLE averaged 4k gold lead in all 3 games. GenG does not draft garbage like Yasuo mid in this meta or run it down like HLE does. GenG 3-0 against the worst early game team.
I will go bald if Flyquest beats GenG
Kobe mic has arrived pog
My take is Flyquest might bring out Vi/Skarner in the Top lane as I feel those are great champions for bwipo as it allows him to dive in and make space also denying them from the enemy and creating flex pick. I feel also that Busio playing enchanters in last series is telling, I think we might see Soraka as they like comps that absorb engages and turn them around and soraka is queen when it comes to turning around fights.
Love the Kia ad with the NRG execs!!! Can't wait for NEXT year, "The Faithful Shall Be Rewarded!!!!"
Azazel's take at 00:25:30 is on point. Dont let the haters get you playing tanks mid.
I feel what Azael said about G2 and EU feeling gloom going into worlds. There were so many EU casters and G2 members saying that this was EUs last chance to win worlds.
It truly was. EU legit is known as the one team region. G2 is all they have. No one cares or even knows any of the other EU teams and Fanatic is just a drama pit
Idk where that sentiment is even coming from, EU has never been farther from winning worlds, they didn’t even make it to playoffs
Bwipo Singed is my Flyquest cooking suggestion.
I said bwipo on Warwick lol I'm a huge arcane fan and season 2 is going to be insanely good I bet
@@hyskylife hopefully, Bwipo gets a cameo.
I think Zac could be a pick up by Fly either in top or jungle. Inspired could cover mid a lot easier with his long engage range which lets him get in the fight and disrupt. Zac can also manage itself in a dive with passive too.
My crystal ball was Zac for most roles played. 😢
zac is probably a bwipo pick more than an inspired pick, id actually like to see inspired pick elise.
I actually really like that you guys followed the lowkey vibes of the evening--kept things chill with no guest star--because I felt like that matched the melancholy vibes that we are all feeling about how horrible the NA vs NA End of Swiss matchup was followed by the NA vs LCK Doomsday Scenario draw...ugh. It's always a tough day being an NA fan because of the haters and airport memes and constant underdog status, but with this being potentially the last Worlds that "NA/LCS" will ever be attending in the form as it exists now, it just feels especially difficult to stay positive. Like dang, we can't catch even a small break, huh? Punching bag either way, every day...
Despite that sentiment, I thought all 3 of you brought up a bunch of respectable points about the draws and how TL has a hope of sticking with their same roster (which I hope they do as well), and the hopium in regards to FlyQuest and how cool their pocket picks have been... Idk how much of these comments y'all even read, and I know I'm rambling on a bit here--but thank you. Thank you SO MUCH for this episode. It just means a lot to me to even feel a bit of a pick-me-up from The Dive. Y'all made me feel a lot less sad about how everything at Worlds has been going so far, just by chatting League with each other. ❤ Thanks for being honest and fair but also kind to our teams, too. You all 3 do a great job of finding that balance with every single episode!! I love and needed this content. 🙏🏻 Thank you again.
I know Humanoid "played" it, but Quad might pull out Swain. He's played it in CQ a bit. 🤔
flyquest can fucking do it! lets fucking go!
After the Ivern earlier in the tournament and the Redemption Nunu, I am expecting Yuumi jungle will beat GenG. Baby proof Bwipo
Teemo jungle or bust! They will bring in the Curling Captain himself for the good sauce and cook up something special.
Syndra vs Ori was the matchup APA played earlier vs WBG where he tried to flash on Ori and got ulted back. That was a decent game for him otherwise. I think his problems aren't tied to the champion matchup, but how greedily he plays on an immobile character and he just gets punished on repeat
Kind of strange how people were blaming umti for this when APA would pick immobile picks like Syndra, play like he has full vision and back up just to die to the eventual gank/turn. Then people are like Wow umti trolled APA when APA is playing like a dog.
Literally TL couldn't adapt. APA's champ pool is a problem, Impact away from tanks isn't going to win internationally and Umti can't play anything other than tanks because TL's recipe to success all year was 3 tanks and 2 adcs
Impact,BUmTi and CoreFF all 3 of them looked pretty washed. At lot of APA problem were creating by BUmTi getting slap around by all Junglers he played against
Impact is insane at tanks and insanely bad at anything else. And that's not being talked about anywhere near enough by analysts.
APA doesn’t have a small champ pool anymore. He’s shown he can play a lot of different stuff. It’s unfortunate that the meta mids at worlds were just things he isn’t that confident on. Sometimes that happens, really hope he can get more comfortable on melee mids.
@@ZephraFPS playing different things doesn't mean you're good on them. And he's only being good at control mages.
@ZephraFPS idk. APA only plays split push. Corki, tristana and ziggs were his most played champs (over 5 games) Neeko (4) taliyah(3). And that was summer alone. People like to glaze over the fact that TL took a game off of T1 and all that but wasn't that when t1 had all that ddos problem and couldn't practice? If APA could play anything other than splitpush, I'd say they might be in a good spot. NA was just horrible and I wouldn't be surprised if they go full Korean next year importing mid and having berserker get a green card. People will be like yeon wasn't a problem but if the possibility arises where they can field a 5 man Korean team, they will do it
Hope? You mean tragedy. Or violation. If people call g2 believers delusional to win against blg, Fly quest believers gotta be on a whole other level
Flyquest is soooo cooked they have a terrible bot lane and their early game is dogshit. Gen g will not let them off the hook the way TL did. Fly is gonna get dog walked.
@@edgybravo4287their botlane is good, its bwipo inting them
@@theelectricant98 they're bot lane got dog walked by TL bot lane buddy think about what's gonna happened when they mean Gen G bot lane 😂😂 the difference is Gen G will not let up and that's not the only difference. Chovy and Canyon aren't gonna go 1-10 against the Fly mid jg. Flyquest is fucked just watch.
he is hopefull that they "make geng work for it" or that they win a game. No one expecting them to win the series lol
26:20 Anyone saying someone's bad for doing bad on a unique pick isn't an opinion worth listening to imo!
Unique picks should be celebrated not used for flame.
Inspired Amumu and Nunu, G2 with the Yasuo Sylas, APA with the Kled, I loved each and every one of these and they made the games way more fun to watch!
Oh and Bwipo Urgot!
the others i agree with but the kled was straight up running it down.
Picking Kled when Yone and Skarner was up is absolutely garbage level drafting skills and should never be praised
If we never innovate, how does the meta ever evolve?!
Soon as a team doesn't pick off meta, they have no style. Soon as they do, they're trolling the draft. The community is hilarious lol.
It was a good run boys.
Busio Azir to tilt GenG lol
Question: do you think karthus is a good pick for inspired if Lilia is banned ?
If you can draft winning enough lanes to help defend from invades / contest crab i like it
In LCS, sure. Not vs Gen G. He's not going to have any lane prio and will just get steamrolled with co-ordinated invades
It would be even better if there were subtitles from the regions participating in the World Championship !!!!!!
If you want to know what FlyQuest is cooking, just tune into LS's stream, I'm pretty sure he's the source of the Nunu.
Though I'll add one of mine: Udyr jungle is disgusting, and it's technically a flex.
Has Meteos been watching T1? They look shaky in their games? Sure, but if you're comparing what they're showcasing now to LCK playoffs or regionals, they're a completely different team. I highly doubt Metoes watched LCK.
Also T1 is the only team beside GenG that has looked good in red side. T1 has played the most red side games compared to anyone in Knockout stage. Hell, I would wager all of 16 teams considering they had a single blue side game vs Pain Gaming. T1 also lead the tournament in GD@15 by 900 over 2nd place. Meteos showing why he fell off and was booted out of LCS.
The amount of delulu here is crazy lol
I can see Inspired pulling out a Zac. Also an Ivern Rengar combo would be pretty crazy. Or maybe like a Khazix or Belveth could be viable in jgl. Not sure how deep the cooks will actually go though.
APA really got exposed this tournament. The lack of ability to play Yone (and most melee champions) was extremely detrimental to the team.
damn soulmario mention. we are ogs here. any1 mentionning supermetroid?
I hear you meteos, I'll put my life savings on Fly
I know they did sweeping changes to move adcs out of mid lane, did they nerf Zeri she seemed really strong before but now nobody picks her even as a flex pick abd Quad had a nasty game against TL on her.
I don't know if Quad plays it or if it's even close to good right now, but I'd love to see some mid lane Vel'Koz at worlds.
I could see cooking some Maokai top for some Mao/Amumu/Rell engages and play to group and force an early soul and take fights in jungle chokes.
last hope is memeos' new moustache and goatee
Never wanna hear that TL were the real number one seed again
No one cares what you want
TL was the real number one seed!
😊
@@rainorshine6998 didn't asked what you think
C9 would've beat r7.....
So NA number 1 seed got eliminated by a minor region?😂😂😂😂
I loved that APA went for the Kled pick. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. it is fun to see non meta champions coming out. Hopefully APA practices some mele champs for next year.
Its' so funny how they still got the Kia AD with NRG owner on it even went they are out of the league LMAO
I don’t know why people act like Fly did well against HLE lmao. They literally were down 5k gold pre 20 min in their win, when nunu is an early game champ. HLE lost the game because of their mistakes at Baron. There’s still no team even close on the level of Eastern teams other than G2.
G2 stuck in Swiss two years in a row LOL
@@diaperamess NA hasn’t beaten an lpl or lck team since 2018 LOL
being able to come back from a gold deficit against an exceptionally good team is just as hard as being able to get a significant gold lead and keep it. if they can be competitive they can win. they just need to make good decisions.
cope and seethe
This is something I will agree with. People keep saying wow Flyquest threw but ignore HLE had a 4k and 5k gold lead in game 1 and 2 then threw. The fact people think this is a good sign for FQ is hilarious.
I wonder if Bwipo will play xin zhao top since he's been playing it in solo queue and says it's strong
SOULMARIO MENTIONED 🧙
It's sad for TL that they nerfed the style they were exceptional at all year just in time for worlds. I was excited for Kled but not as much as I was for Nunu. Champ is literally game warping and it was just dropped. Worst case scenarios are that it's banned from you, but then so what you grab an OP.
Didn't even realize I went from TL criticism to Fly so fast haha.
I don't have an issue with him using the Kled. But I'm not sure if I agree with Azael on liking high risk-high reward if the risk occurs 4 minutes into the game and the game is just over because it flipped tails.
It kind of surprises me that casseo isn't better into yone. I don't play either champ tho
Who should Gen G ban vs Fly? No one.
I want to see Gen G be cocky AF and just say "play whoever you want, we'll still win" and then either prove it or have it bite them in the @ss.
Either way it's great entertainment.
i think GenG will be a lot more respectful of FLY after their performances vs HLE rather than be cocky in drafts
@@mwbwyatt I agree, actually. Plus, it's worlds - you don't screw around like that just as a general rule.
But it would be more entertaining if they did get cocky (esp if Fly actually does well) :)
why did they force this to come out now when there's a literal week break? let them do it tomorrow ffs
The only way fly win vs gen g is if they win the bot lane. If they can win bot it will make the game way more real for them
Kobe with a mic 😤
Sion support double jungle is my suggestion 46:04
1) No excuse losing on blue side with 61% win rate atm. 2) Riots backfire keep changing rules trying to make western teams easier to qualify to quarter (& it did help NA twice now with NRG & FLY). So don't complain.
Im so glad meteos brought up how teams also need to play around their laners. APA was dicking quad in game 1 before he got ganked 3 or 4 times but all people will see is the 0-6 score line.
lmao
if that happened to me in soloq i'd be raging LOL
He got dicked because he picked an immobile mage and kept over extending with no vision. Xin is not going to gank a Oriana that isn't low and being shoved to her tower. Hell, they don't even win the 2v2.
Nunu is supposed to be a strong pick. LS has said this over and over again.
Flyquest got gifted a quart birth. Can't wait to see mid get gapped.
some of the games is already over before the it even starts just by the draft alone
The TL Kled pick was so odd in my eyes, why would you instalock it into a Yone? Seems like such a bad matchup. It just screamed desperation to me.
Could we maybe not spoil very recent results in the titles?
I think the way to win these games against the east you have to pick a objective control tanky jungler Scharner is OP new new was good
The only reason I'd cheer for flyquest is for massu and quad, they're good kids.
TL kinda won LCS in spring and regular season in summer with great drafts and lane swapping. everyone caught up to them in lane swapping and their drafts were kinda garbage all worlds. It seems like they just overcooked everything. Flyquest was just better. Even being a TL fan, I can certainly admit flyquest was the better team by the end of the year.
Impact is a monster on k'sante, why he wasn't perma on k'sante the entire time was insane.
Also, jhin needs to sit out a bit. There are so many comps he just doesn't work well against.
Love you guys but please dont put spoilers on titles for those who can't watch the recording within a day :(
Bro if you can't watch live don't complain about spoilers. People want to talk about it. It's on you to avoid content until you watch. Don't go on RUclips
@@Suge67 to be fair, people watch the game vods on youtube and their eyes can catch titles that spoil while looking for them or just opening the site.
Homie its a tournament, if you can’t watch it then you don’t care.
@@Suge67 hey dum dum have you considered RUclips is the place I watch the replay?
@@Tecmaster96 not all of us sit at home every weekend like you
i think given the meta, good chanpions could be ryze syndra cassio galio. orianna. xin ivern . renekton oalf- ill be hard
I think we are gonna see Kog'maw make an appearance
These guys will never say it. But APA just isn’t good. Not being able to play the core Mid Mages, can’t play Yone, not good at adapting to the meta. You’re niche picks can’t be your only tool
There is nothing much going for them content wise. Hey guys look he is bantering (ignores he is just picking a hard lane winning match up where his jungle/support are just playing for mid).
What if FLY cook Nocturne jungle + Fidd support or Nocturne Top + Fidd jungle? xdd
I still think TL would have had a better chance at making it past quarter finals. However I fear APA just isn't good enough. I just hope FLY and TL don't completely blow up their rosters like NA tends to do
Yep apa is not it.
They have 2 import slots for mid/jungle.
Even somebody like clozer from the lck could be huge.
You can’t risk a entire year on apa again.
Also anyone in their right mind rather plays with a actual monster like bdd or rookie instead of apa which biggest strength is to type.
He abused ziggs and aurelion in their completely broken state.
He offers nothing
46:30 Bwipo Gangplank!! Trust me, totally unbiased
Where is the Inspired permaban Lilia
If there is an angle, Morgana jungle could full fill a similar role to Ivern. What that angle is I dunno.
Single target engages are the best spots for Morgana.
Vi nautilus, because they do take a bit until they hit so it’s very easy to react to
Why is azael talking about G2 not being so strong because they dont have another team in the region while NA hase TL FLY and C9. NA has beat 0 LCK or LPL teams. Dont rewrite history. NA reached top 8, but has not shown that they ARE top 8.
Because eu looked uncharacteristically weak this year. He was speculating on some ideas for why they look so weak when they historically were much more competitive against Eastern teams
I understand that, but they still looked the most competitive against Eastern teams. They got rolled by t1, but other than that they won against weibo and blg was so close. I don't want to take away from fly in their game with hle, but I really think g2 lategame and teamfighting got waaay better than last year. Early game went down but mid and late game got waaay better.
Honestly G2 should pick up inspired.
Udyr for Inspired.
Seraphine for massu
Yasuo for massu
Anivia for Quad
I don’t know if he’s any good, but the Pyke pick could always be the spicy pick Fly Quest could use like G2 did years ago
The HLE vs FLY match is more proof that the west have better drafting but it only matters so much when the east just hands diff too hard. How they played against nunu would get you bombarded by flame in soloq
They were 5k behind in the nunu game… they’re still much worse than eastern teams
This should say Flyquest, the west's last, best hope
I feel like Azael point of "if you want to win worlds.. well you have to face the hard teams" is just dumb
We are still in Swiss and Swiss = Group stage
How many times have teams ramped up through worlds into going deep or winning? Like sure eventually your gonna have to beat top teams.. but not have 4 out of 5 games/series be against probably the best teams in the world (hle/blg/t1/wbg)
But in 2019 if FPX had a half decent group they might have gone out in groups.. I can tell you if they faced the equivalent of HLE, WBG, T1, BLG early on.. they probably just go out (like in 2021)
And that's the problem.. i think if G2 had got through.. i'd like to see a b05 vs LNG/WBG/HLE/DK.. i don't think these teams are obviously better.. it would also have been a tragedy if G2 clutched up and won.. because BLG are also so much better then the other 4 teams in 2-2 bracket
There needs to be some kind of better seeding going forward
Hey guys! Watch every episode, either here or on Spotify! But please stop doing a random 20 second preview at the beginning of the RUclips vids - just get into it. I hate the spoilers of a cool part of the conversation. Maybe its just me, idk. Otherwise, love it! Keep it up!
Nah
Flyquest went 3-2 overall. Lost 2 vs korean team and won 3 vs pacific, vietnam and NA. xD They are vs GenG first round Knockouts. Idk stats dont tell story I guess. More luck than skill here.
where's eu though? in the uber on the way home? lol bye eu salty losers
Azael I get the argument for risky picks being exciting and need. Those picks come in when standard meta isn’t working or when the other team is way better than you on meta. They showed in game 2 they can win normally. Why risk it then?
I love the dive but can we please stop spoiling the weekend series in the title? It pops up at the top of my reccomended as I’m trying to go watch the vods :(
NA/EU teams have to stop trying to beat Korean/Chinese teams at their own game. NA/EU actually won some games when they brought their own creative twist to the game. The East teams showed that they were fallible against non-meta.
people have said this for years, but another thing is that NA/EU teams have shown they CAN consistently get AHEAD of better teams. but its like, they KNOW theyre ahead, and they know how good the other team is, so they have to constantly make better plays and they misstep and all it takes is one mistake and theyll close the game over it.
cool
Might be a quicker one... Proceed to talk for 1h24 hehe
Eu got felted this tournament, now we can watch them seethe and cope over this till next international
EU looked so bad but G2 looked amazing in that last series. I wanted to see them get through, they were the west's best chance.
Meteos really serious about growing his beard / dtache Xd
I respect the growth 💪
The reality is NA will only have beaten playins teams. Performing worse than last year.
Another reality is that NA has made it out of Swiss both years and LEC has never made it out of Swiss lmao so pretty similar to last year
@@ShawnBlaque LEC made it to worlds finals twice lmao what are u on about. LEC also has beaten LCK/LPL teams both years.
@@ovs4744 Do you not understand how the formats work? Since it's been changed an LEC team has never advanced past Swiss lmao it's not that hard to comprehend
@@ShawnBlaque No NA team has beaten an LPL/LCK team since 2018 lmao it's not that hard to comprehend
play in teams are also not as bad as they used to be, I mean mad lions lost to both to gam and psg talon
I thought Orianna Nocturne is a good combo. It's unlucky that they lost but the combo is good and them locking that duo in isn't the reason they lost. Sure they could've picked something else but its not like they picked something disorganized.
Exactly, on the last episode the boys were talking about how the combo was so broken it needs to be nerfed lol, it's for sure a reasonable draft strategy
The problem isn't the combo, the problem is drafting it on 1+2 pick while giving over something like skarner while also letting the enemies know what you want to do so they can draft carries with self peel into it
It's a good combo but maybe not something that fitted G2's strengths as it put Caps on a mid lanes that he cannot be proactive on.
Era of NA prodigies and big names feels like it’s ended. Now we’re out searching and training new talent. We will need a few years to regain that former strength because tbh we do feel like a weak region rn. EU too… disregarding G2
Sion so we can hit them with the death split push lets goo
There’s a reason the rookie Massu is in the worlds video. And don’t sleep on Busio. 2nd Worlds in a row NA placed better than EU wild timeline we’re in rn.
GenG will stomp them. Don't be deluded, DrAmer1can. Also G2 won more games vs Asian teams than the whole of NA combined, went the furthest from the west at MSI and had by far the hardest road out of swiss stage and still almost made it. NA is still trash.
Lol i don't know why you're acting like that is exclusively because of favourable draws...
@@GothPaoki what happened MDK? Last year?
@@DrAmer1can last year yes. This year no. Na hasn't looked even remotely good apart from the hanwha series with fly and have lost quite a few games with minor region teams and the only reason they are at quarters is because they played each other. Meanwhile g2 had to face t1 and blg..
@@GothPaoki not saying G2 had it easy. But if MDK didn’t flop to PSG and GAM your words would hold meaning. Quarters is Quarters it’s not free.