I appreciate everyone has diferent opinions and these lists always cause alot of discussions and question marks for players missing. Ill always try my best to give reasoning and be fair to players, i always advocate my best for all players and dislike flowing with the "intangibles" as arguments, i think these lists can be formed in many different ways from current skill level heading into worlds, and if players surpass what theyve shown then i want that to be a focus point of how impressive their story or turn around is, similarly i want players with high expectations to be held accountable for poorer performances than current form and so as much as I can accept counter arguments for things this list just serves as a benchmark for me as to what i expect, and if things mix up and change as the tournament goes on for players in good or bad ways im excited to see that development. Ty all for supporting and watching the content, and whether you agree or disagree or differ in opinion feel free to also come back to this one day and point out how things turned out differently! I dont think im a perfect analyst but ill always try my best to paint a real picture so you have some grasp of where my head is for players leading into these massive tournaments
Thanks for all your content and commitment. It must be hard to keep up this rythm everyday. But what is our lives without passion to fully fill it? Salute.
I feel like after watching everything you've said you explained your position well enough so anyone should be able to have a proper discussion at least. But some will always just look at the result and be mad.
I was really worried for T1 coming into Worlds, but thankfully Caedrel rating Miky over Keria makes me much more confident. What skins do you guys think T1 will pick this time?
Same. Just annoying how people overrate G2. Almost like they didn't watch LEC or were too emotionally involved to make objective judgements of trash macro and laning.
All of the esports content I watch is from caedrel- I watch his vods instead of his videos so I can get the full games with his commentary. The way he approaches league as a viewer and "explainer" is great. Really makes league even more fun to watch. It just sucks that he cant keep this type of content going all the time. its just too much to keep up with for the whole season.
@@dims4417 mikyx literally made keria his son during all first series at msi, what the fuck are u saying.… average t1 fanboy who doesn’t even watch lck
Well, they were made with knowledge from summer split and regional playoffs. So placements do make sense. T1 smashing everyone at worlds with their " worlds homeground" buff isn't something you can predict, based on their playoffs.
@@KhoiNguyen-gl4kt my thought also.. every year it's "t1 fell off, faker aged out" and everyone acts shocked when they win worlds or make it to the finals
@@FutayuriShironeko No they do not. G2 players looked dog shit all summer. They lost a Bo5 to KOI. He literally said he put these guys in their top 5 for the "clutch factor" aka players who are never clutch and have been washed up since 2019.
really? peyz is better than guma, and you could argue with aiming for the 5th spot. dk throws everything to aimimg and hopefully he carries but sometimes chokes, whereas gumayusi is never really the carry 100% but will never have 0 impact. personally, guma at internationals is definitely on the list. but caedrel based it on summer form, and aimimg was definitely better then
heyy i dont know if you will read any of this but i really liked the long tierlist because it felt more real and i really got to see your thoughts on teams
ikrr i wish he didn’t listen to chat in this instance, because i got to watch the team tierlist live and i loved to listen how he thought through everything but chat kept complaining and kinda ruined it :(
@@Someone-si4jw faker didnt even picked any of the heroes he said lol. Faker didnt even play syndra or orianna so his still wrong in that part. no need to sck his D
@@Someone-si4jw his resume is like 6 finals appearance out of 8 years he's on worlds stage, won 4 out of 6, only rtrded streamers and commentators would ignore that kind of resume. Probably is like 95% negative, 5% avoiding the backlash of not putting into top 5
@@doublereel-real ADC is absolutely stacked on the top end for talent it really is insane, Aiming might be one of my favorite ad's period and he's not even top 3
You would think people will actually put respect on his name after gaping all adcs at worlds 2022 and 2023, but they never learn. If its still ziggs meta, I would agree hes not top 5, but anything else he will prove them wrong again.
"Mikyx over Keria" AINTNOWAY!!! Also, FAKER IS INSANE, HE IS THE REAL AND ONLY G.O.A.T.! The competition and comparisons are over, the media can try as much as they want but no one will ever reach his level.
The caps quirk you discussed immediately made me think of a game he played at MSI where he was Oriana against ASol, I think against T1? Where he used her passive to get a solo kill really early, like level 4ish. Just crazy how often he sees those angles
bruh leaving out guma is like forgetting he plays debuffed 24/7 from draft / support caring about him / Mid jg caring about him / Coaches caring about him / Win condition maker probably the reason T1 went to wrolds along with zeus against momentum based lck teams that could probably be here like fear x , kt and kdf
As a GEN fan, I’d say GEN comms are pretty evenly distributed and-getting a bit off topic here as my main point to make would be about Lehends-something people might not know is how involved Peyz is in calls. I think he’s all-around actually the most vocal in comms, which is exceedingly rare given age hierarchy structures in SK (I think this speaks toward team synergy and communication). wrt Lehends calls, I would say he makes extraordinary calls based on opponent psychology-for example, you might remember LCK Spring finals where Lucian (Peyz) catches out Xin Zhao (Oner) with a blind ult into brush, forcing him to back, which allows GEN to start Baron. Things like that are entirely Lehends calls (it’s a Peyz action, but it was off Lehends’ explicit call; there is proof of this on the GEN RUclips channel’s comms videos). You might also remember in MSI where bot lane (Kalista Blitz) stopped recall and took the risk on waiting for enemy top TP. That too would be a Lehends call (evidenced by GEN YT’s released comms).
@@jaybonline I think he's not as bad as he seems. He chalks up a lot of deaths saving teammates, but that's saving teammates and very much his duty as a support, although I'd also say that he's a bit greedy in general when it comes to holding Flash. He postures a LOT while warding and sometimes that gets him caught (others it's an opportunity for his team to collapse), but I think it only looks as bad as it does because he has to cover for situations like when comp doesn't have enough frontline, he has to step up as Renata, things like that.
I'm sure Lehends is Geng shot caller. I saw Geng IG story they called Lehends their Captain. Geng have Kiin Canyon and Chovy in their team but Lehends is a captain so he must be really good.
@@theghost9219 Lehends is the (reluctant) team captain, but from the comms they release on their page calls are very evenly distributed. While I find and agree that a large quantity of their most interesting and creative (imo) macro plays are commandeered by Lehends, in this team there isn't a singular designated overall shot caller like, say, KT has (BeryL).
Yeah, caedrel is always trash when making tier list. Imagine saying syndra and orianna when almost all of them didn't touch it. Don't argue when I said almost cause only two players touched syndra
If you see that after Faker doing with Choky at semi-finals midlane 10% hp sylas vs full HP ahri , Kill Choky at base and Choky only kill the minions haha 😅
Zika once again is criminally underrated - he improved so much this year, single handily won games from behind and the reason why LNG made it to worlds , and easily LNG’s best player well deserving to be 4th / 5th imo.
No offense but the only one western player who was deserved top 5 was Caps , putting MykiX while the only champ work for him against east team was poppy and only work for first game just because surprise factor , i highly doubt MykiX deserved top 5 spot
I agree with this one, Caps for sure is top 5 and only western player in top 5s. I would have placed Mikyx 6th in the list and Keria 5th but im happy some "analysts" are putting Miky 5th still.
You mentioned T1 (especially Zeus) in draft tends to linger on champions when they should drop them. This I think is a Kkoma thing - it was a problem back in the days as well. Last year with Tom this wasn't a problem - he let them "play" way more and this suits T1 well, when they are allowed to have "fun" with the game
I just read somewhere that even though Tom does the drafts, he is limited by fitting into a set strategy presented to him by Kkoma whereas last year, he was able to let the players draft and play more freely. This year even if they lose a game badly, they play almost the same draft in the next game, because of an overall strategy set by Kkoma
Caedrel should never do tier listing again, all of these takes were UTTER TRASH, he didn't even consider how these individual players play under pressure.
T1 is a very stylish and flashy as well as entertaining team because not only are they brilliant players but they like to pick fun champs and it makes it far more enjoyable to watch them
I get you are ranking players based on the summer split performance, but you can't deny SKT T1 factor on the worlds, especially when the meta has deviated a bit from the AD mids. Faker is a backbone of T1, he was struggling in summer split and T1 was as well. If Faker, with the different mid meta, stands back up on his feet for worlds, T1 will surprise you and your rankings by a lot.
I think with the recent patch being such a disruptor, Faker might return to form on some of his older comfort picks. If he does he might retire after this tourney too. Great list, looking forward to worlds!
Am I the only one that would be happy for more in-depth? It's always interesting to see Caedral break down individual players and their playstyles. Thank you so much for the fantastic insight!
So stoked for all your worlds content! Quick request, when you tap/hit the table it sounds pretty loud in earphones, maybe you can use some foam at the point where the mic stand connects to the table? If it's just me dw about it though!
I dunno, I might be biased cause I like Tarzan so much, but I'd rate him even over Wei and 369 over Zeus, 369 has had some sick carry performances on Mordekaiser for example, I get the argumentation for Zeus being a better strong side top, but I think 369 does exactly what his teammates ask him to, and he can also be a very oppressive strong side laner, I think this guy has even potential to be Top 1 honestly, he seems untouchable Also where is my boy Scoot? :(
Canyon is the jungler you use in a stressful situation. Game 5 he will smite a minion and land a Nidalee spear or Lee sin Sonic wave and make a huge outplay with split second decisions. He is also creative. Very fun to watch.
@@samwisehuluberlu2210 imagine gapping every single ad last worlds and having the most consistent year among t1 players and then being told you dont watch others lol. I can tell you for a fact no ad besides aiming played lck better than guma.
@Terminus-ey9qm Viper was way beyond him on LCK. Same for Peyz. What are you bragging? On LCK, GenG and HLE pretty much dominated T1 all time. You can check numbers and stats also if you want.
You see, people like you are why T1 fans are seen as jokes these days. Faker before worlds played really badly compared to other mid liners, he constantly fell behind and hinted. saying this as a T1 fan myself
@@ripito-eo6rh hey he did play good but my point still stands and is still correct, he did play bad the rest of the season but glad he got his shit straight at worlds
@@roeidayan699because rtrds like you and the other streamers only has RECENCY BIAS, don't ever tierlist again caedrel, all of your takes, even if you exclude T1 was complete TRASH
@@trinityforce8006 damn you must be insanely stupid if you think a pro player cant be ranked based on his performance. Dude played badly so he got low tier. Lets say you play a game and theres a really weak weapon so it ranks low, then there is an update that makes it the best in the game, the old tier list still is correct because for the time it was made that weapon was ass. Stop bouncing on Fakes schlong and get a life
U should make a new tier list after worlds ends and compare with this one at a later stage. Every single year till now, most of tear lists were low accurate.
@Caedrel Looking back in retrospect, would you move Massu into the top 5? Performance in the tournament of course I know he hasn’t earned top 5 status yet looking forward
@Caedral how do you not have Impact in your tier list for top? He won LCS MVP this year, went undefeated in the regular season, was still playing well in finals, looked competitive against Zeus at EWC, and was way more consistent than Doran.
@@Shinkiro1025 you are right, but it was not his meta, he's still the best payer even if he didn't play well. In the worlds he could solo carry but not Zika
The Impact slander on the top lane top5 is crazy. Dude is having one of the best splits of his career and thats saying a lot for a guy like him, and he plays carries and tanks, even if he is historically more known for his tanks.
You'll be hard pressed to get any western player in any of the roles(Caps aside) if we're being real, it's just not the same game. The likes of Bin, 369, Kiin are in a different realm to Impact. And that's not disrespectful to Impact, he's a phenomenal player and TL are looking good and should make it out of Swiss
As far as Faker goes, he is still dealing with pain in his wrist and hand. Not even Faker could play at the very top with an injury. He'll always be a legend, though.
I appreciate everyone has diferent opinions and these lists always cause alot of discussions and question marks for players missing. Ill always try my best to give reasoning and be fair to players, i always advocate my best for all players and dislike flowing with the "intangibles" as arguments, i think these lists can be formed in many different ways from current skill level heading into worlds, and if players surpass what theyve shown then i want that to be a focus point of how impressive their story or turn around is, similarly i want players with high expectations to be held accountable for poorer performances than current form and so as much as I can accept counter arguments for things this list just serves as a benchmark for me as to what i expect, and if things mix up and change as the tournament goes on for players in good or bad ways im excited to see that development. Ty all for supporting and watching the content, and whether you agree or disagree or differ in opinion feel free to also come back to this one day and point out how things turned out differently! I dont think im a perfect analyst but ill always try my best to paint a real picture so you have some grasp of where my head is for players leading into these massive tournaments
😋
Thanks for all your content and commitment. It must be hard to keep up this rythm everyday. But what is our lives without passion to fully fill it?
Salute.
Bro you’re entitled to your opinion, and we watch because we want to hear YOUR read on the meta/teams entering worlds.
I feel like after watching everything you've said you explained your position well enough so anyone should be able to have a proper discussion at least. But some will always just look at the result and be mad.
No no, arguing is good, it puts us in worlds mood.
I was really worried for T1 coming into Worlds, but thankfully Caedrel rating Miky over Keria makes me much more confident. What skins do you guys think T1 will pick this time?
If by some weird ass miracle T1 wins, I want Caedrel to put Miky over Keria for the rest of their careers.
Keria gonna slam the trophy on stage if he cant pick lux lol. (If he win of course)
@@luqmanhakim5291 truly a warcrime
@@zabbanThe warcrime was him doing it last year, when Keria had the best year of his career. Bro says he’s not bias, but how to believe him there😂
@@JQuill116 Garen skin
Mikyx over Keria xdd
xdd
Damn. Even G2 social media dude couldn't smoke whatever it took to make Caedrel do this tier list.
@@robertmusil1107 already know if he put Keria in we'd drop Keria over Mikyx xdd
xdd
🐕 💩 region
"ill make this video shorter" 54 mins later.
Tierlist was over 2 hours so it's not wrong
Well it's half the time from the last one
Yeah now stay with me 1 hour is shorter than 2 hours.
Caedrel really milking worlds content and I am all here for it
Same. Just annoying how people overrate G2. Almost like they didn't watch LEC or were too emotionally involved to make objective judgements of trash macro and laning.
I mean it’s the time of the year, it’s tradition
Do you like caedrel's milk?
@@robertmusil1107how are they overrating? Most people have them 5-6, which is fair
All of the esports content I watch is from caedrel- I watch his vods instead of his videos so I can get the full games with his commentary. The way he approaches league as a viewer and "explainer" is great. Really makes league even more fun to watch. It just sucks that he cant keep this type of content going all the time. its just too much to keep up with for the whole season.
The Mikyx over Keria AINTNOWAY continues
And then Keria gaps Mikyx over and over again.
@@dims4417 Keria Game 5 Finals 2022 Karma incoming
@@dims4417 mikyx literally made keria his son during all first series at msi, what the fuck are u saying.… average t1 fanboy who doesn’t even watch lck
@@j4vii_c msi !!! This is world ,, lol T1 players are js different
@@kennguyen134Mikeyx in finals incoming: oh wait
Bro these tier lists did not aged well. xDD
Well, they were made with knowledge from summer split and regional playoffs. So placements do make sense.
T1 smashing everyone at worlds with their " worlds homeground" buff isn't something you can predict, based on their playoffs.
@@FutayuriShironeko haven't they been doing that for 11 years and people still doubt them at worlds?
@@KhoiNguyen-gl4kt my thought also.. every year it's "t1 fell off, faker aged out" and everyone acts shocked when they win worlds or make it to the finals
My guy really put bin above the fucking worlds 2023 mvp and the g2 trashy supp above one of the best players to ever play league period
@@FutayuriShironeko No they do not. G2 players looked dog shit all summer. They lost a Bo5 to KOI. He literally said he put these guys in their top 5 for the "clutch factor" aka players who are never clutch and have been washed up since 2019.
not having Guma as your flex Jungler-ADC on top 5 is a crime
this
really? peyz is better than guma, and you could argue with aiming for the 5th spot. dk throws everything to aimimg and hopefully he carries but sometimes chokes, whereas gumayusi is never really the carry 100% but will never have 0 impact. personally, guma at internationals is definitely on the list. but caedrel based it on summer form, and aimimg was definitely better then
@@equinox85 all that yap just to not have any reading comprehension
@@equinox85I think Guma is better than light and probably better than aiming on internationals but we will see ^^
@@equinox85peyz is dependent too much on how good his teammates are
my favorite leblanc one trick showmaycuh was robbed of 1st
Disrespect to him is too big this year.
His Syndra is insane.
Shoemaker playmakingmaker
their jungler is too weak and without a world class jungler the midlane just doesn't look as good
@@yaooooo846lucid is crazy good lol
heyy i dont know if you will read any of this but i really liked the long tierlist because it felt more real and i really got to see your thoughts on teams
ikrr i wish he didn’t listen to chat in this instance, because i got to watch the team tierlist live and i loved to listen how he thought through everything but chat kept complaining and kinda ruined it :(
I agree with this it even felt short to me because i was so invested so me personally I'd enjoy long in depth video more
@@saljuqnaveed5958 yesss exactly
Same 😢😢
I really have a feeling putting miky over keria is gonna backfire again xdd
thats the plan
should've just put Rekkles 5 for fun
It did
LMAO
@@fergonzalez1246ir really did
This take on Faker aged well
He legit said that "probably a world faker will be top 5 this meta"
@@Someone-si4jw faker didnt even picked any of the heroes he said lol. Faker didnt even play syndra or orianna so his still wrong in that part. no need to sck his D
Extremely well
@@Someone-si4jw his resume is like 6 finals appearance out of 8 years he's on worlds stage, won 4 out of 6, only rtrded streamers and commentators would ignore that kind of resume. Probably is like 95% negative, 5% avoiding the backlash of not putting into top 5
@@Someone-si4jwworlds faker is almost always 1, rarely 2
Well done Caedrel not putting T1 players on the tier list to avoid leaking the script
I just realised how freaking STACKED this tournament is. Can't wait. Swiss stage makes it even better.
once again guma not being in the top 5 thanks caedrel on not jinxing my chad
That's not really because Guma isn't top tier, his competition is just absolutely insane. I don't know why we have so many cracked adc players.
@@doublereel-real ADC is absolutely stacked on the top end for talent it really is insane, Aiming might be one of my favorite ad's period and he's not even top 3
@@doublereel-real literally every ADC coming out of LPL/LCK this year is so insane, making a top 5 is very difficult
You would think people will actually put respect on his name after gaping all adcs at worlds 2022 and 2023, but they never learn. If its still ziggs meta, I would agree hes not top 5, but anything else he will prove them wrong again.
bro literally proved himself to be top 2 AD and hes not 2 last worlds and still disrespected
You didn't put supa as the best adc in the world,this has to be a troll tier list right?
Suuupa
Its crazy how faker was the best mid by far this tournament and won finals mvp
Caps > Faker, Mikyx > Keria AINTNOWAY 😂😂😂
Watching this after T1 Geng semis, somebody should have told Caedrel T1 was just gonna ignore the meta again this year
"Mikyx over Keria"
AINTNOWAY!!!
Also, FAKER IS INSANE, HE IS THE REAL AND ONLY G.O.A.T.!
The competition and comparisons are over, the media can try as much as they want but no one will ever reach his level.
Caps over Faker aintnoway
The caps quirk you discussed immediately made me think of a game he played at MSI where he was Oriana against ASol, I think against T1? Where he used her passive to get a solo kill really early, like level 4ish. Just crazy how often he sees those angles
He is the league of legends himself, no one in the world can see these angles other than him. GOAT for a reason!
@@CapstheTrueGOATofLoL649 He will always be my GOAT!
@@CapstheTrueGOATofLoL649caps over faker aintnoway
@@CapstheTrueGOATofLoL649 Nah guy more washed up than his hair line which says a lot.
bruh leaving out guma is like forgetting he plays debuffed 24/7 from draft / support caring about him / Mid jg caring about him / Coaches caring about him / Win condition maker probably the reason T1 went to wrolds along with zeus against momentum based lck teams that could probably be here like fear x , kt and kdf
Lol came back here after T1 vs TES... Age like Milk
As a GEN fan, I’d say GEN comms are pretty evenly distributed and-getting a bit off topic here as my main point to make would be about Lehends-something people might not know is how involved Peyz is in calls. I think he’s all-around actually the most vocal in comms, which is exceedingly rare given age hierarchy structures in SK (I think this speaks toward team synergy and communication). wrt Lehends calls, I would say he makes extraordinary calls based on opponent psychology-for example, you might remember LCK Spring finals where Lucian (Peyz) catches out Xin Zhao (Oner) with a blind ult into brush, forcing him to back, which allows GEN to start Baron. Things like that are entirely Lehends calls (it’s a Peyz action, but it was off Lehends’ explicit call; there is proof of this on the GEN RUclips channel’s comms videos). You might also remember in MSI where bot lane (Kalista Blitz) stopped recall and took the risk on waiting for enemy top TP. That too would be a Lehends call (evidenced by GEN YT’s released comms).
I agree 100%, Lehends is my favorite player and I think it's interesting that he's known as the primary shot caller when all of GEN are pretty vocal.
I'm a GenG fan too but I noticed that Lehends performing poorly since LCK SUMMER FINALS. . There is something wrong with him lately.
@@jaybonline I think he's not as bad as he seems. He chalks up a lot of deaths saving teammates, but that's saving teammates and very much his duty as a support, although I'd also say that he's a bit greedy in general when it comes to holding Flash. He postures a LOT while warding and sometimes that gets him caught (others it's an opportunity for his team to collapse), but I think it only looks as bad as it does because he has to cover for situations like when comp doesn't have enough frontline, he has to step up as Renata, things like that.
I'm sure Lehends is Geng shot caller. I saw Geng IG story they called Lehends their Captain. Geng have Kiin Canyon and Chovy in their team but Lehends is a captain so he must be really good.
@@theghost9219 Lehends is the (reluctant) team captain, but from the comms they release on their page calls are very evenly distributed. While I find and agree that a large quantity of their most interesting and creative (imo) macro plays are commandeered by Lehends, in this team there isn't a singular designated overall shot caller like, say, KT has (BeryL).
Canyon is like Peanut's twin brother who is 8 seconds older
watching this after faker and keria were tournament mvp’s
just saw this live wtf FREE THE EDITOR
Cavani Timão era lo ultimo que pensé ver en los comentarios
Bwipo needs to review this for sure
bro chill 🤣
you massively underrate every t1 member. mark my words they win it again this year.
I think they will 3-0 geng
@@Palmerized It was just 3-1.
@@jacksterlling2213 3-0, 3-1 ? Close enough lol
Yeah, caedrel is always trash when making tier list. Imagine saying syndra and orianna when almost all of them didn't touch it. Don't argue when I said almost cause only two players touched syndra
Not having Rekkles as number 1 support is devastating.
TOP: Bin > Kiin > Zeus > Zika > Doran
JGL: Canyon > Peanut > Wei > Tarzan > Tian
MID: Chovy > Knight > Zeka > Caps > Creme
ADC: Viper > Elk > Light > Peyz > Aiming
SUP: Delight > On > Meiko > Lehends > Mikyx
GOAT thanks
lol knight over zeka lol
@@산맛he was probably right
No keria is criminal. Did Walter’s White meth just get shipped to Europe or what?
@@kris10renee15 perhaps, Faker wasn't on the top tier list
Imagine Faker not being on anyones to 5 pre-worlds but then turns his GOAT mode on when finals came. GG Finals MVP Faker
If you see that after Faker doing with Choky at semi-finals midlane 10% hp sylas vs full HP ahri , Kill Choky at base and Choky only kill the minions haha 😅
Zika once again is criminally underrated - he improved so much this year, single handily won games from behind and the reason why LNG made it to worlds , and easily LNG’s best player well deserving to be 4th / 5th imo.
Yeah bro but have you considered Doran? Clearly a very talented, clutch player! Who won't get exposed immediately in knockouts!
He didn't mentioned BrokenBlade and put Choky, Kekwa, Tight ahead of the GOAT Caps. He needs to meet his psych to check his mental health.
@@CapstheTrueGOATofLoL649😂😂😂.
Not considering faker whatsoever XD aged like fine milk my friend 😂
Just here for the deserved flame after g2 getting gapped by T1
No offense but the only one western player who was deserved top 5 was Caps , putting MykiX while the only champ work for him against east team was poppy and only work for first game just because surprise factor , i highly doubt MykiX deserved top 5 spot
I agree with this one, Caps for sure is top 5 and only western player in top 5s. I would have placed Mikyx 6th in the list and Keria 5th but im happy some "analysts" are putting Miky 5th still.
Also im confused he says he based on most recent form with playoffs meta but for someone reason mikyx get a pass because of msi performance wtf
@@ignvongola123eu biased baby
@@leevimasalin2301 no western player should be in top 5 with how shit the west was this year
Impact was absolutely cracked all year im shocked at the disrespect ngl
Here after G2 vs T1. Craps and MikyXD AINTNOWAY
You mentioned T1 (especially Zeus) in draft tends to linger on champions when they should drop them. This I think is a Kkoma thing - it was a problem back in the days as well. Last year with Tom this wasn't a problem - he let them "play" way more and this suits T1 well, when they are allowed to have "fun" with the game
Tom is still the drafting coach. Kkoma is just the face of T1 management
The thing is Tom is the one doing the drafts not Kkoma
if u actually watched the games you see tom on stage not kkoma
I just read somewhere that even though Tom does the drafts, he is limited by fitting into a set strategy presented to him by Kkoma whereas last year, he was able to let the players draft and play more freely.
This year even if they lose a game badly, they play almost the same draft in the next game, because of an overall strategy set by Kkoma
@@Toby_Jensensource: I made that up 😂😂
51:03 Mikyx over Keria AINTNOWAY
I think he realised his mistake after 2:0
@@fcvitoshasofia4481 surely next year he won't make the same mistake right xdd
@@victorhugo6190 nah let the curse continue
this tierlist is going to backfire so hard in quite a few positions...
It's a pretty basic tierlist
Based on summer form, I kinda agree with the tier list but I'm very positive that T1 will step up real hard in worlds 2024.
stepped up they did xdd
@ I’ve never doubted them. I always believe in them ❤️
T1 make you believe
@@iggiminami yea they did! I've never doubted them.
I hope the chosen one - LucidAlGaib will show up at worlds
This video has aged really badly XD
just like his hairline xdd
Caedrel: *doesn't rank Faker top 5*
Faker: And I took that personally
looking back, t1 barely have any player in caedrel list, i can understand why, but they're just a different beast in worlds
Caedrel should never do tier listing again, all of these takes were UTTER TRASH, he didn't even consider how these individual players play under pressure.
caedrel need to do an upate on this list. it would be interesting
Turns out its actually a Pyke support meta.
T1 is a very stylish and flashy as well as entertaining team because not only are they brilliant players but they like to pick fun champs and it makes it far more enjoyable to watch them
Showmaker will show yall who is the boss again :)
I get you are ranking players based on the summer split performance, but you can't deny SKT T1 factor on the worlds, especially when the meta has deviated a bit from the AD mids. Faker is a backbone of T1, he was struggling in summer split and T1 was as well. If Faker, with the different mid meta, stands back up on his feet for worlds, T1 will surprise you and your rankings by a lot.
now we know why t1 really won worlds
Scout belongs in the top five imo
It’s nothing new, T1 being underestimated as always, and they will prove as always. I dont even know how people continue not to understand
I think with the recent patch being such a disruptor, Faker might return to form on some of his older comfort picks. If he does he might retire after this tourney too. Great list, looking forward to worlds!
Left out faker the goat now hes got 5 rings gg
This list was completely accurate. Technically the list is correct, without factoring in choking.
Clearly wrong .
2023 wasn't ash lulu meta but T1 changed the meta to ash lulu meta
thanks sally for putting miky and caps in the list as a jinx for when they get knocked out 1-3 by 100t in swiss
That didnt age well
Going back to this when Keria dismantled GenG!
And hearing this clown says Mikyx > Keria
Am I the only one that would be happy for more in-depth? It's always interesting to see Caedral break down individual players and their playstyles. Thank you so much for the fantastic insight!
Mickyx over Keria?
It's insane that Keria was the best player on the 2012 meta when he was only 10 years old
Keria is btw the one who makes like 90% of T1 calls so this list is only playmaking biased? idk
So stoked for all your worlds content! Quick request, when you tap/hit the table it sounds pretty loud in earphones, maybe you can use some foam at the point where the mic stand connects to the table? If it's just me dw about it though!
This aged incredibly poor
Faker and T1 changed everything.
I dunno, I might be biased cause I like Tarzan so much, but I'd rate him even over Wei and 369 over Zeus, 369 has had some sick carry performances on Mordekaiser for example, I get the argumentation for Zeus being a better strong side top, but I think 369 does exactly what his teammates ask him to, and he can also be a very oppressive strong side laner, I think this guy has even potential to be Top 1 honestly, he seems untouchable
Also where is my boy Scoot? :(
MIKYX OVER KERIA AINTNOWAY
downloading this and listening during my walk. ill give my opinion on this tomorrow.
Mikyx cope is insane. Is there any other player that can be this bad 80% of the year and get rated only on his best plays? Lol.
Bad in a worse region at that
Ya faker
@@Brandon-wo9nh we saw T1 without faker
BeCaUsE MSI
@@Brandon-wo9nh faker wasn't in this list
Canyon is the jungler you use in a stressful situation. Game 5 he will smite a minion and land a Nidalee spear or Lee sin Sonic wave and make a huge outplay with split second decisions. He is also creative. Very fun to watch.
Guma not having top 5 is crazy he is so consistant even if the other guys int
Maybe you're not watching any other ADC. That's means you're just biased.
@@samwisehuluberlu2210say that again
@@samwisehuluberlu2210 imagine gapping every single ad last worlds and having the most consistent year among t1 players and then being told you dont watch others lol. I can tell you for a fact no ad besides aiming played lck better than guma.
@Terminus-ey9qm Viper was way beyond him on LCK. Same for Peyz. What are you bragging? On LCK, GenG and HLE pretty much dominated T1 all time. You can check numbers and stats also if you want.
Was delighted to hear in the beginning this one was gonna be shorter. And then I see 54mins 😭
Kiin so flexible he can play ksante/cuhsante/cuhhh sante/and the gay black champion forgot his name...
You forgot oksante, kasante.and casante.
It's ok he's still the best toplaner in the world even if he's a ksante one trick
@@jenkeized sure he is if the world=zimbabwe
gæsante
😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
never doubt T1 at Worlds...
Zika being below doran is absurd when every analyst say zika is miles better. Zika is once again being forgotten about
before you make your rankings, reminder that the last time a team without koreans won was season 2,
12 years ago
Make it 13 YEARS AGO XDDD
UH OH MIKYX > KERIA MEMES ONCE MORE
I like the respect you gave for wbg light. He is playing insanely well so far
I would have enjoyed seeing every player getting ranked but still good vid
I like that you have both short and long form content. It was long, but I liked your team tier list and analysis.
I am sorry but what kind of struggle T1 has at mid lane? oh right, having a Goat at mid lane is a fvcking struggle
You see, people like you are why T1 fans are seen as jokes these days. Faker before worlds played really badly compared to other mid liners, he constantly fell behind and hinted. saying this as a T1 fan myself
@@roeidayan699faker 5th chip bum he owns u
@@ripito-eo6rh hey he did play good but my point still stands and is still correct, he did play bad the rest of the season but glad he got his shit straight at worlds
@@roeidayan699because rtrds like you and the other streamers only has RECENCY BIAS, don't ever tierlist again caedrel, all of your takes, even if you exclude T1 was complete TRASH
@@trinityforce8006 damn you must be insanely stupid if you think a pro player cant be ranked based on his performance. Dude played badly so he got low tier. Lets say you play a game and theres a really weak weapon so it ranks low, then there is an update that makes it the best in the game, the old tier list still is correct because for the time it was made that weapon was ass. Stop bouncing on Fakes schlong and get a life
i'm getting dejavu with this list with the 2023 tier list where all got backfired
U should make a new tier list after worlds ends and compare with this one at a later stage. Every single year till now, most of tear lists were low accurate.
I like this idea
@Caedrel Looking back in retrospect, would you move Massu into the top 5? Performance in the tournament of course I know he hasn’t earned top 5 status yet looking forward
Caps over Faker xdd
So funy right??
@Caedral how do you not have Impact in your tier list for top? He won LCS MVP this year, went undefeated in the regular season, was still playing well in finals, looked competitive against Zeus at EWC, and was way more consistent than Doran.
This didnt aged well
Glad to hear you take some feedback from the last one. I agree that the tier list video was pretty long. It was still a good watch though!
Zika is so underestimated
He has progressed enormously this year and is surely the best player in LNG
Scout IS better
@@Thedeadyou Scout have play worst than Zika and Gala during PO and Regional Finals
@@Shinkiro1025 you are right, but it was not his meta, he's still the best payer even if he didn't play well. In the worlds he could solo carry but not Zika
Always noticed Mikyx's impact that people seem to miss, glad i'm seeing the same things as an analyst on this
The Impact slander on the top lane top5 is crazy. Dude is having one of the best splits of his career and thats saying a lot for a guy like him, and he plays carries and tanks, even if he is historically more known for his tanks.
He's playing in the lcs can he do it in lpl and lck?😂
@@jowersonmontino2390yeah probably tbh
You'll be hard pressed to get any western player in any of the roles(Caps aside) if we're being real, it's just not the same game. The likes of Bin, 369, Kiin are in a different realm to Impact. And that's not disrespectful to Impact, he's a phenomenal player and TL are looking good and should make it out of Swiss
@@nigamnation sir he cant, i love but impact let him enjoy his retirement/games in lcs
Impact is a legend, but it doesn't make sense to say he can be in the top 5
Gotta love Caedrel picking all 8 eastern adcs into the list. Great analysis :D
Mikyx over keria meme is revived. Cant wait to see mikyx choke like every international he has been in past few years.
It's not choking when that is just his level
My own tierlist:
TOP: Bin > Kiin > Zeus > Zika > Doran
JGL: Canyon > Tarzan > Wei > Oner > Peanut (yes, choker)
MID: Chovy > Knight > Faker > Zeka > Creme
ADC: Elk > Peyz > Guma > Viper > Light
SUP: Keria > Delight > Lehends > Crisp > Meiko
Gumas way ahead of peyz and elk
@@allgames5556 after today faker way ahead of chovy too and oner way ahead of canyon, I am T1 fan and try not to be bias
the oner disrespect in unreal after he gapped all those junglers for 2-3 worlds besides maybe peanut
zeus easily the best top in the world. keria the best support all time.
As far as Faker goes, he is still dealing with pain in his wrist and hand. Not even Faker could play at the very top with an injury. He'll always be a legend, though.
mikyx over keria aint no way
Wow two G2 players in the top 5 lists that must mean they will make quarterfinals!
this ages well
Ahh man if only he did this after the GenG vs T1