@@Jetashii not really it definetely helps but u don't really need it to play well and be consistent look at yamato for example although he rages very frequently his fundamentals are still very good so he naturally just climbs
"who gives a shit about potential?' i absolutely love that quote. i had a football coach in high school that used to always say "potential just means you haven't done anything yet." Potential means absolutely nothing if you dont live up to it.
I agree that you don't want to use that word (potential) to make you feel like you accomplished something or the journey of improvement has been completed, but when I'm down in the dirt, remembering that i have potential, not only to reach my goal, but potential to get my ass moving towards that goal, is a shining light in a dark corridor.
@@pentabuzz149 exactly my point. Drives you to get up and go do something. But you don’t want to be left with nothing but potential when it’s all said and done.
40k games in gold isn’t free even if he didn’t flame. There is no way my mental could handle that shit, and whatever remained from this player after this more than me cuz I’ve left the game multiple times after having been hardstuck plat for 6 seasons before I Uninstalled realizing I’m wasting my time without further improvements.
@@yasserraghib3045 Lets flame everyone who isn't faker for not being faker, and also flame faker because he's somehow not absolutely perfect. Yeah, that seems perfectly logical.
to be fair maining a champ dosent mean that you think that said champ is well designed. i mained lethality yi when it was a thing, i would never say that this lethality yi build was well designed
Rav is a low elo league content creator who used to be pretty popular, I still like his skits/commentary but he's definitely lower than plat. He's an ADC main and his recent video tested the theory of "adc being coinflip in low elo." He hired a high elo duo ADC and soft inted on support in order to prove his point: Neeko supp purposefully take terrible trades, going afk, missing abilities, etc. Guess what happened... He got carried by the high elo duo partner and the guy was even having fun! Rav's take got totally destroyed.
I loved that video, it really showed that there's more to the game than just "being skilled". The high elo guy he paid had a good mindset and KNEW he had the keys to unlock a victory.
@@fiethsing9988 I am mechanicly one of the best players at my champion because I onetrick him but I can also say that I play only like 50 games a year now which is way to little to get any high rank I just get into plat and stop playing I also have been D1 when I actually played 2000 games instead of 50 games a year but that might be because I avarage like 1 death a game on my onetrick
I really enjoyed and benefited from this episode. I was G4 (am now P2) last season, and I had an atrocious relationship with the game, making boatloads of mistakes every game. Your podcast helped me greatly with attitude towards the game, and now I'm improving steadily each week. Thanks for all the content!
I'm a GM player on EUW and watching this gameplay and how this player thinks about the game opened my eyes to a whole 'nother world of viewing the game. Like I had no idea someone can be, and I don't have another word for this, dense and stupid in their way of thinking about the game, or anything in life, really, thinking they are at the level of a challenger player when very obviously they are in the exact rank they belong into, not admitting to any flaws in their gameplay and thus never having anything to improve on, according to their thinking. I guess I thought maybe this was possible with people who played the game for 1-2 years. But with 40k games - jesus. It's like the only thing he learned in those games is how to operate champions mechanically and that's it, he has the macro-level knowledge of a beginner bot.
I think that the problem here is that it does not matter how many games you are playing if, ultimately, you are not intentional about improving. If you study how grandmasters in chess improve at their game, you see that 80% of their time is studying, practicing tactics, game endings, playing against themselves, and the other 20% is actually playing those games. In League I think this is more difficult (sure, you can practice combos, last hitting, clearing jungle camps, review your own games, watch other people play and take notes) and most people learn by playing many games. People like this show you that you need some self-reflection to become good at anything.
Just as a side point, now you also understand the massive flaw in democracy, when you realise how many people are fickly in their thinking, which is why socrates and greeks thought that universal democracy was so flawed.
👏👏👏👏 It is sad that it seems quite lot of people share that kind of.... persistent stupidity . You can recognize thrm in game : they ping YOU because you actually do the good thing 🙂. That's 1 red flag 😆
yes, because according to every metric he knows or cares about, he is a good player. kills, trades, matchuls etc. But he simply doesn't know how much he doesn't know. Macro, farming, wave manipulation, proper roaming, realizing that gold and impact don't just come from kills. this guy could learn a lot from the baus
Ah yes, the "Don't mention my champ pool, champs are easy to learn" guy. Meanwhile, I can't even consistently CS properly when switching between champs because the auto attack wind ups are different. Also, I find it hilarious that after all this talk about champion mastery not mattering...the first thing he does is E around the turret and not hit ASol with it at all.
@@catwif as a former gold Akhan (gold 1 though) I think his mechanics were horrible. for me the mechanical mistakes are never the issue, it's my awareness and taking stupid ego fights and then (I guess this is where the mechanics come in) not dodging abilities
It is crazy how little some players respect cs as a way to win lane. You don't have to over force solo kills if you consistently can have a 10-20 cs lead by farming and forcing bad backs.
Some champions farm better. And if all players gonna farm it would be boring and nothing will be changed but the scaling properties of the late game. You need to trade in order to win. For some champions.
@@qazweriopkoilj xd iron take any champ should be able to perfectly cs if you are not bad, as a early game champ you can win by denying cs xp and getting huge eco and pressure advantages… kills are actually worth not much
@@qazweriopkoilj No, what he meant was, if you are a champion with an early advantage, you should use that advantage to gain a cs lead. The match-up in this specific game is a very good example, he should NEVER be behind in cs to sol.
Cs is the king in this game , its above all else , above mechanics , above jungle tracking even above macro it doesnt matter if you have all these things if your farm is shit then you wont have the damage or stats to capitalize on them , as a varus mid main i start cull every game and prioritize wave above all else, those dumb river fights bot and jungle keeps taking? You just have to ignore it and focus on you no one is going to help you if your not going to help yourself , farm well make smart decisions and carry the game league is that simple
This actually really helped me to realize the coin flippy-ness of certain ways of playing. It didnt really super occur to me before that even if something happens to work out in your favor doesnt mean it was a good idea/playstyle, and that if you habitualize decision making like that itll make your game outcomes way more random
Blaming others for things that go wrong in your life is a miserable way to live. I just hope this delusional attitude is confined to his game. Gotta take a long hard look and do some self reflection my guy. Try and take some responsibility. Blaming his team, blaming Riot.... You'll realize that taking responsibility for outcomes in your life will be fullfilling and empowering, because these things are actually not all your teams fault and not all Riot's fault. Some? Sure. All of it? No. They're not the reason you're stuck in silver and gold with 40k games my man.
"not all your teams fault and not all Riot's fault. Some? Sure" I think in these cases you shouldnt even say to them that some of it might be his teams fault or riots fault. just don't mention that and keep it all on self reflection. They might remember that sentence best of all. And in the end I think if you look at the bigger picture you have 0% of it to blame on teammates or riot. Sure if you really focus on a specific time in a particular game for example your team makes a bad dive or there is a bug that makes you lose a fight you are not to blame (which you shouldn't mention to delusional people I think) But when you look at a whole season or your whole rank in general you just cant blame anything else besides yourself But that's just my take on it and I'm willing to change my stance
I have good mentality have never flamed anyone in league because I understand we all make mistakes only thing I can get pissed about is if someone bans my champion which I am howering from my team I just play then Soraka mid or top I still try but that is my reserve champion if the player on my team bans my champion only if it happens from my team.
@@LinardsZ "I have good mentality" "if someone bans my champion which I am howering from my team I just play then Soraka mid or top" these two sentences cant be combined
@@Legendaryium They can be if you are only Supportive champion player my main is Zilean so Soraka is just my backup I dont die on her at all if I play her and it is only thing which I do which might tilt my teammatws I dont write or spam ping I use her ult us Karthus ult for teammates on bot top if they need it which is very usefull to have
He says it doesnt take a lot of games to learn a champ but then he does this: 48:49 I played a ton of akshan, and his E is a never ending learning process. You cannot ever learn everything about his e, the way it interacts with the environment and how to angle, it is just too hard to master it entirely, but the more you play the better you get. For example, at this timestamp, if he puts his E on the left wall, and swings with his body towards them instead of away, he gets both easily. And if they flash away you can easily hop of your e (you get a tiny dash when you let go) and kill them into a reset. -> This just showcases that his idea of "champs are easy to play" is just invalid. An akshan with more games will get a double there, 99 times out of 100. Also 55:00 is a perfect example of him never using his single passive to kite. When akshan attacks and cancels his second auto, he gets a lot of movement speed. If he attacks xayah once and Qs her, he can just outrun her and never die. He never does this all game. Good KDA and no good winrate means you don't know your wincon, and while he is right, that a champ is easy to learn mechanically, knowing how to best pilot the game it'self and close the game, takes a lot more games on that champ. 21:10 is giga high risk since aurelion still has flash, you never kill without dying. But his e shoulda hit the wall too instead of the tower so he would rotate closer to aurelion. Played a ton of aksha, climbed from gold 4 to plat 1 with it last season (100 lp but failed my promos xd) Either way, one thing I learned was that solo kills are sometimes not even worth it. Often times I'd get a solo kill, then back and find that my jungler is fighting and I'm not ther ebecause I needed to reset. It gets even worse if I brought ignite and enemy mid brought tp. The kill suddenly becomes a net loss. So I played more patient and usually just played for prio. So instead of diving, I'd hover my jungler.
Aside from the obvious mechanical issues too, he doesn't seem to understand the champion's identity on a broader scale (which the guys touch on). Champ mastery isn't just "can i press 4 buttons" its about knowing what your champ wants to do and when. When you're strong, your power spikes, your identity, how to play teamfights... he seems totally lost on all these counts. The sad part is akshan is probably one of his BEST champs since he mained it a few years ago. If this is his level of mastery on akshan, i dread to imagine how trash he is on the 60 other champs he's played 1 time this season. And wonders why he can't climb, lol.
yea i spotted that frrom the first play at 21:10, any akshan whos done their homework on the champ knows you don't hook the tower there, you hook the wall, and he would brush right up aghainst asol and melt him, even with flash would prob get the kill
I don't even play akshan and I recognized that's what he should've done because geometry. I understand that people make mistakes in the heat of the moment but with him being an Akshan main with THAT much ego? He's an idiot.
@@Sepums came here to say exactly this, it's not just knowing Akshan to some extent, it's also your intuition and ability to detect certain patterns in unknown/unexplored environments
Your rant at the end was an absolute banger. I've had a rough couple of days in solo queue. Now I'm excited to get home and take one step at a time and really simplify my way back into the goal of consistency. Tonight will be all about getting farmed up getting all the exp I can, and looking for opportunities rather than forcing them. Thanks again, boys!
@@Tyotyo999 Honestly i would still fear that person as anyone who plays 10k games a season and still be low elo on 1 champion is either trolling to stay in the elo, has extreme bad luck, or has picked the worst champion in the game. But either way i still would not want them on my team, as holy shit how? No matter how bad you are or who you are you will not be silver if you played that many games on a single champion even if it is not in 1 season unless you got ranked Silver then just played norms for the rest of it, but that is the only way without intentionally trolling just to stay in the rank as till you get to Diamond or Emerald it is a numbers game. As in if you play enough games even if you are shit you will rank up to the average rank of all players which is around gold or plat Like a lot of low elo people are only low elo because they don't play enough games a season and that's literally it
As a low elo top lane main who understands how valuable gold and xp are, i regularly face opponent's who play like that Akshan and I always thank them for creating chaos while all I do is get solo xp and gold and end up being 1-2 items and 3+ levels ahead of everybody else so I can then just 1v5.
@@MrCotter99only a few more games and he will reach t1 levels of games played, difference is t1 gets payed for it and he's challenger or high masters level even on the line he hasn't played in a while
I played with this person 3 days ago, he was playing rumble and I was playing jhin ADC. He was extremely toxic and was nonstop typing about how if he got on a Smurf account he could easily get to diamond. We ended up winning but woah to see him in an episode from 4 months ago is crazy.
40,000 games!? At 30 minutes a game, that’s 1.2 million minutes! That’s almost 900 days or almost 3 years straight of constantly playing games, not counting queue times! Did this guy really have 40k games!?
hey man I have some ADC vods in my youtube profile playing in masters tier, feel free to add comments if you want to take a look at them and have something to add - or any questions about the decisions I made in the game
Champ mastery (the stat tracked by league/riot) is not an accurate representation of champ mastery (the abstract concept). There's a reason why there is a 1000000+ singed onetrick in every division. Those hours spent can only maybe correlate understanding, but in no way do they dictate it. Some hours that a person will spend on a champ will mean more or less than others' hours.
Those parting words about the highs and lows really sang to me. This podcast is very high quality in terms of being able to break down the minute to minute mental effects of league and I am so glad I found this. Thank you, Curtis. Thank you, Nate.
This guy needs a reality check...but my main issue with him is that he's toxic, he was toxic to all of the people who commented under his post, the people here (when he started to argue and be rude first) and Curtis and Nathan themselves. That's not how you interact with other humans. He's just lashing out a lot. Nobody gives a damn abt some Season 5 game, focus on the here and now and stay realistic about your level of play. If there's one thing I learned in the MLS, it's that.
You know there's a way to play League with 80+ champs a season, mechanics max, constant fighting, and no objective or win cons already built into the game. It's called ARAM. I bet if Riot added ranked ARAM he would switch to that. But as is his ego is getting in the way because he wants the rank attached. Or maybe he should just accept playing the game for fun only. Either way he'd probably be happier.
I have 7k arams played and i would never ego pick a random champ in ranked only because i might have 100+ games of that champ in aram because the rift is COMPLETELY different, i wouldn't fucking know how to win the game with that champ apart from how to skirmish and teamfight with it because that's all what aram is about, i don't understand how he has this immense ego, i could probably be better at his entirely champion pool than him considering the time i invested but holy shit i would be delusional to consider myself better than any serious champion X main.
As a fervent ARAM player, I say YES to ranked ARAM :D. It is cobstant fights, it is no problem to die, and make you focus strongly on mechanics... ! But it has its own strategy and their is manner to play to be able to win. Exemple : you have to master the timing to die. Exemple : at 20 min +, after a push ending with 1/4 life, it is way better to die undertower of ennemy base. You will respawn right in time to defend yours. But if you don't die and stay 1/4 life... you can make the team lost the fight, and the game, because at min 25 you can often finish in one push after an ace. Bref, ARAM is life :)
itd be a shame if yukineko felt like they were enemies after this essentially just got a bunch of free coaching Id love to be the next subject of one of these haha
@@ardvarksimmons Well people don't like being told they are wrong especially if they have not asked Hell a lot of the times if you want experience on shot calling spam pings and eventually people will follow or listen to the pings. Actually it is a good idea to spam ping anyways to climb AS LONG as you are not being toxic about spam pinging such as question mark above someone that just died
Whooo boy, I'm glad I clicked on this recommended video. As someone that spends far more time on the League subreddit than I should, this whole thing was cathartic as all get out. I'm trash at this game. I know I am, I have no desire to improve. I can accept that this is my spot on the ladder cause I have no hands and no wrinkles on my brain. But if you're in a game with me, there's a reason for it, dawg. You belong in my game. The bit at the end there is something I needed to hear because I'm currently going through that guilty, down period. I see it for what it is, I can deal with it and come back from it now. Thanks, dudes.
i mean it is and it isnt. game balance is a significant factor, so the champs u play, the role u play in league determines your rank for most ppl playing, if i play annie instead of ryze my elo will be inflated. also u can get lucky or unlucky on a climb, like neace for example. u may get elo inflated by your teammates (short term), your champ pool and your role... thats alot within the meritocracy. not everyone has enough hours to grind out their "true" rank or elo if they are temporarily handicapped by game balance and unfair matchmaking
@@mortystraphouse5077 Statistically, only in extremely rare cases will you get "unlucky" matchmaking for a long series of games. And game balance and champ choices might make a difference, but the truth is league is a fairly well balanced game maybe a champ makes you go a few hundred lp higher but on the whole journey your skill is gonna make orders of magnitude more difference. And the role stuff is just pure cope.
@@anotherrogue8371 sure but lets say support and jungle have high impact. If the support and jungler on the other team also have high impact how does that make it easier for you to win?
Locked screen led to critical missed information about mid wave states and bot roams, really holding them back in losing out on critical information constantly.
As a player who has achieved both Rank 1 PvP titles and Hall of Fame on retail raiding, the difficulty between WoW and League is not even close. League is the harder game.
Idk how you can say that league is harder. They are DIFFERENT. One is a moba, the other an mmorpg. You CANNOT compare them. As a good player, you should know this.
Yes its harder, ignore the other comment. If you compare diablo 4 and starcraft 2, them are two different things but clearly one is harder that the other because the skill ceiling and limit, his point is not right. I like to compare league with chess that also u need skill to move your piece.
@@huggablepenguin1465you don't need to compare them to say one is harder, league is just objectively harder. just like CSGO is objectively harder than COD
I love coming back to this one. I’m trying to pass my Masters peak last season, and I play norms to warm up. A lot of guys flame me after a norms game saying stuff like: “Diamond??? That’s trash bro!” While being plat IV “You abuse --, you aren’t good!” “Getting your rank is just luck” People are hilarious. Dunning Krueger in full effect
"league isnt a complex game and playing the champs isnt hard" > proceeds to fail the most basic tasks in lane and fails a dive level2 due to lack of champion mastery > "how was i not in range"
No mentioning any of the failed basics, but for an "Akshan main" (even few years ago) this guy lacks in almost all possible mechanical skills, to the point that an amateur Akshan player like me questions where his 100k+ mastery points even are: - he doesnt hookshot out of base, or on the way to lane - misses Q alot, even on minions - uses W while in vision - doesn't know how to do hookshot tower dives (to the wall by the tower, so the enemies are in range, not onto tower barely reaching anything) His skill level stays at "yeah I've red his abilities", but he really struggles to realize any non-obvious potential uses of this champs kit. Also what are these wack runes, like part laning/part roaming/part vamp with random Trascendence - not comitting to anything.
No communication with pings combined with locked cammera. Even on league of graphs statistics u can see he never pings. Even if his teammates were mindreades it would not help because he himself probably does not know what his intentions are. Could explain all the coin-flip plays.
I did nottt know about the stream for akshan passive, i just thought it was putely if u kill a marked target you get the revive. This passive does so much 😂😂😂
First video I've seen from you guys and enjoyed it. Very clear constructive criticism for lower elo players without being demeaning. I'm a D2 JG main so while I didn't learn much from this I found it entertaining and will check out your content.
i can't help but think that turning off indicators would help him hit some of those Q's. he probably has the quick cast with indicators turned on and that makes it so there's a slight delay from when you press/let go of the key to when the ability is used. no reason to have indicators when you have thousands of games in league and hundreds on akshan specifically
I would say those individual losses where he only plays the champ once and loses, those 20-30 games with no wins or low w/l ratio would have a massive effect on his climbing. That is the equivalent of a whole division, so low gold could have been low platt if he stuck to the champs he excelled at. I had the same thing as him, as i like to enjoy trying all champs (except draven and qiyana feel so clunky to me) but when i climbed very quickly i was spamming ww nocturne amumu and trundle jungle with very high winrates and climbed very quicly and found the higher elo games easier due to better teamwork, which is another thing i have in common with this guy, as we both are very teamwork orientated, so relying on bad or tunnel vision team mates would naturally be a disadvantage for us. Looking forward to the analysis.
This was interesting, this feels like the polar opposite of how I approach the game. They seem to over-focus a lot on kills and KDA, while I over-focus on minions and map pressure, and generally under focus on kills as I just find it more interesting & fun to try and create advantages in other ways. So it's super weird watching this and being unable to relate to their gameplay at all. I'm used to watching much higher level gameplay, from people who I assume have a more "balanced" mindset when it comes to things like kills vs CS and the risk vs reward and all that stuff, so I can usually relate to their decision making on some level, even if I am significantly worse. I'm not really a great player myself, probably a bit worse than this guy tbh (I just play for fun, so I'm not worried about it), I was already fascinated by how differently high elo players can approach the game, see Baus and other off-meta enjoyers for good examples, but I don't think I ever realized just how much more different it can get in lower elos.
bro this is inception level algorithm to me, i had forgotten about coach curtis until a video popped on my feed and made me think of a guy who had a similar quality of videos for jungler, i couldn't remember his name though. i remember watching his nunu and olaf guides, so glad i found him (nathan)! and it's awesome they're doing collab efforts lol
Often times players, high or low elo, know the "textbook" play. But when they are mentally disrupted, from teammates pings, enemy emotes, being ganked, being solod, etc., they start to play with ego instead. Taking coinflip trades and sometimes even obviously bad ones. The most obvious one is when one of your teammates die from a really stupid decision. The cost fallacy induces many players to take risks they otherwise would not take. Cut your losses and leave. This is what pro teams are so good at doing, even though small advantages matter so much more at the professional level. Its shocking to see how dreadfully unaware some people can be of their own decision making skills and the various factors that affect them.
I was gone from this game since 2013/2014 only occasionally playing arams since then but damn ... Your podcast and some other guides I've been watching jave actually explained to me why i was bad, i just thought i was somehow inferior to other players and couldnt understand how with decent/kinda good mechanics i couldnt win games and lanes when i was sometimes better thany opponent at 1V1's, theres such a deep level of understanding you actually gotta go through to understand why decisions are wrong/right that it actually makes this game so much more interesting! I used to be the "i counter this champion, how tf am i lossing to it?" Guy because i had zero understanding of how laning actually works and how situational matchups are, so thank you so much for that
being in iron is fair, you are just not good at the game yet - problem is when you think you are better than everyone in your games but somehow you can't climb out of your rank
@@VigilTheProtogen bronze and silver is not being experienced at the game. In my life i met 1 guy irl thats actually iron and he is like top 5 dumbest people i ve seen. Like i get if you are a complete beginner or new to video games as a whole, so u cant get out for a while, but to be stuck in that elo you have to be a bit different ngl. Think about it, on a fresh account, your starting mmr is around silver, to reach iron you have to drop 2 whole ranks from your starting point, i dont think i would be able to lose that much if i tried without getting banned. i know people who sell iron accounts and struggle for weeks to drop to iron by constantly trolling and inting games.There is a youtuber called JaySea or something that said it was harder for him to drop to iron(him and his friends were trying to lose games for months) than to reach challenger for the 1st time, thats wild. Maybe im wrong but i just dont get iron elo...
Another point is that he doesnt even play usual Akshan secondary runes which are Shield Bash to Boneplating, in this case rather Second Wind which would also help him to play super aggresively as he apparently wants to. I honestly believe he would be able to kill Asol in 27:22 with correct set of runes, especially because he wouldnt be as chunked as he was if he had Second Wind with Shield Bash in those bad trades before the incident happend. Saying from a perspective of a 400LP master player on EUNE, who mained Akshan for a whole season.
@@TYFLOL I didnt see if he had 2 adaptive force or attack speed I just reacted on main runes, but on Akshan you usually want to take Presence of Mind because of lack of mana with multiple uses of E in teamfights and also Triumph was quite drastically nerfed so I dont agree with that one. Also he shouldnt need biscuits in this match up, especially because it doesnt give you any value after the early game ends. Shield Bash and Second Wind have use in whole lenght of a game.
Love this, please more of those. This is really interesting to see for me as a gold player but I wonder because I'm not doing the mistakes he does but I'm in the same elo. This probably means I make different mistakes I can't really put my finger on but I also don't spam games as he does.
It does mean you make different mistakes. I'm gold 3 and my issue is that I'm hesitant on macro in the mid game. And I play too many champions. I'm now trying to main 2 champs (gwen and ksante) exclusively for now and trying to take notes on replays of what I should've done
@bullettime1116 Just got a notification of you replying to him. It's funny because reading my own comment after a few months I now see how much I really improved. Back then I still was gold but shortly before Emerald got introduced I hit plat for the first time. I then ranked into emerald and I now hover between Emerald 3-1. This video was probably the start of the change in my mindset and how I view the game, it took me a long time to get to this point but constantly telling myself that I deserve to be in the elo I am and that I'm not someone special who riot picked out to keep stuck really helped. I now am able to see my own mistakes and recognize them earlier, I stopped getting mad over my team and started observing the game from a broader sense. The game has been so much more fun thanks to Curtis and Nathan.
I love how Asol said Akshan was 3 levels behind because of permaroaming. His problems are so obvious people who aren't even on his team can see it easily.
Getting gold purely from kills is also really terrible for team economy. In the sense that shut down bounties go insanely high from kills. You could be up only 100g on your opponent, and have a 600g bounty, if your gold is all from kills and his is from farm and plates. And then you die with the bounty and now you are behind 500g in gold, dead on a long timer, and your opponent still has no shut down bounty. And you could be 9/2/3 stats, thinking you are so fed and ahead. And then go sprint it down at them without realizing they are now in the lead, and die again.
This is my first time watching you guys and it's been super interesting. I definitely learned some stuff. I feel like I'm in the opposite situation as that guy - I get really upset at myself and feel like I do everything wrong, but really struggle to improve to. I get really bogged down looking at my stats and seeing how low my average gold, kda, damage, etc. is. I feel like, aside from practice, I could really benefit from some coaching or something, but money is limited. For now I'll keep watching you guys' videos and hope I pick up a thing or two.
These guys are great, but there are probably some better channels strictly for coaching/gameplay. This channel is more about outer concepts of league like climbing, and how to approach it. Try to learn the fundamentals and take off from there. If You are a top laner, check out Alois, he is proven to be pretty much top 3 toplaners of EUW and best Riven onetrick. He teaches top fundamentals so well and is insane at the game as well as making climbing to masters iwth different top lane champions.
something i've noticed about low elo games is the second anything goes wrong at all (or even if it didnt go wrong they just think it did) they immediately take to chat and type out a whole novel
- fight with 1 level diff - no wave/camera control - Use E not to Escape/ finish but to poke - Miss at least 1/2 little items for lack of minions - Is aggressive with no sums - No sinc ping with his jun to really fight him Bro this is a bronze player that brute forced his way on gold with huge amount of games, nothing else to say
to the player who's the subject of the vid, don't take the comments made to heart, it was quite brave to upload ur gameplay w/ those claims and imo i see at as ur own unique cry for help. however! you must shed your old attitude. it was disrespectful to generalize the game when people playing in masters are nit-picking their own miniscule mistakes, what the coaches said about "know-it-all" mentality is very true - u will not grow if u do not give urself room to do so. you have more than alot of learning to do and, not to be rude but, i am shocked u managed g4 playing locked camera and getting 40 cs at 15 mins. if ur response to this is anything besides accepting that this is a massive red flag in gameplay means u will not progress no matter how many thousands of games u grind. challenger players consistently hit dia/masters with insane w/r because they have all of the fundamentals down perfect and are able to abuse that gap in skill and knowledge to turn around 99% scenarios in their games. u quite literally do not understand the rules of lol, which is completely fine and u should not be belittled over it; however, it is ur ego that is causing u to not improve. a few things that i feel r generating this hyper inflated ego (which u surpassing is vital to ur ability to get better at the game) are: 1) u seem to have won a lane phase or two against some high elo players, i guarantee with 100% certainty u would not be able to consistently win lane in challenger based on ur pov. 2) u have been very close to dia and fallen down to s4 which is a massive hit and i can only imagine how tilted u must have been. this tilt over loss of lp is what is causing u to play w emotions and not brain. 3) u have thousands of games played and cannot progress - this means u have built up many, many really crucial negative habits and, equally as important, many negative emotional responses (hence ur passive-aggressive typing). 4) u've played alot and seem "bored" causing u to play sloppy and have a poor mental. if u want to win u need to play every game like its promos for chall. my advice: 1) turn on experience number displays in settings so u can learn exp distance and remind urself when ur not in exp range. 2) when the game starts /deafen. when negative plays happen do not comment or ping on it. focus on ur own gameplay i guarantee u make a hundred mistakes/game 3) when disappointing losses like this one occur u MUST go and watch replay and figure out the critical mistakes u made that caused u to be unable to 1v9. 4) play just one or two champs. getting high elo is alot harder than u think. u may feel as though u have mastery over many champs but in reality u do not, this is just the reality of a game with as much variability as lol. ur biggest problem by far is ur mindset. feel thankful. i have seen ppl in with the right mindset and willingness to improve, unfortunately physiology holds them back. even though coaches lowkey roast u, u should feel blessed that the have shown u a very, very clear path to improvement. plat/dia is not out of ur reach if u just /deafen and focus on self.
I think you guys didn't emphasize the gold enough. In the 20min mark the most important thing by far is that Asol is actually even/leading in gold. Which is absolutely insane as this Akshan is thinking hes fed or something. Actually he is about even in gold and wayyy far behind in xp...
Its so weird, bcs when your read this guys comments about the game, I had a weird deja vú feeling. THey all kinda sound the same (game isnt complex, people are just abusing broken champs/duo, etc.)
I really like this commentary. You two clearly know what you're talking about, and are able to analyze the game at a macro level, which is pretty impressive. The only slight criticism I have is that you keep saying the guy "got lucky". Don't get me wrong, he definitely got lucky a bunch, however, I don't feel like "the stars perfectly aligned" the whole game for him. When he got some kills in bottom lane, he went there when the opponents were overextending to his team's tower, that's not really luck. It was also mentioned that "he's taking all the kills", and I'm sure he took a few, but in a lot of the clips it looked like the adc died, and then he finished the fight by killing people solo or with the support. In one of the fights after caitlyn died, he finished the fight killing 2 people, and because of his passive, caitlyn got rezzed. There's a big difference between stealing/taking a kill from someone else (and depriving them of gold), and getting kills by finishing the fight. Just my 2 cents.
Playing on locked screen (immediate red flag) and playing a ton of yuumi in gold, there are your main issues to nip in the butt. Playing way too many champions and acting like you mastered them in 3 games, THAT is disingenuous.
He wins that level 5v6 fight if he just ya know... cancels his e and just autos him. He had bypassed all of A-sols abilities and just had to dodge ult at that point. Wild this guy can misplay so hard and then say that its the devs poor balancing. Know your limits... lol wait you dont bro you play every champ in the game.
I was getting close to have this type of relationship with the game a time ago. I was sorta aware i was doing something wrong but focused more on tue others than myself. Had the luck to find Nathan's academy and realized all the bad things I had. Nowdays I can finally say im a healthy spot with the game. League is just not for me, still I wanted to perform at certain level with the character i lile the most and I did it this season. Even if I no longer play it, I love all the discussion about it.
I'll give him just one thing -- he did actually try for a Baron call at 1:04:00 but Caitlyn had opted to go straight bot after getting revived so it didn't end up panning out. Too little too late, I know -- but I really do empathize with how having that happen can make you feel, especially when ahead. Playing in solo queue can suck because yeah, sometimes teammates will overstay/push other lanes rather than doing baron, they'll commit to bad plays, etc. etc... but before you go pointing fingers at teammates being the primary cause of your rank, you should hone all aspects of your own play as far as you can, and he clearly still has room for improvement on many fronts there. I've been playing since Season 2 and the highest I've ever peaked is G3, and while I certainly groan at a lot of the stuff I see happen in solo queue too, I overstay and greed for kills, overvalue plates, and don't review my games. I'm where I should be for the effort I put in. Thanks as always for the podcast, and I hope to see more episodes like this in the future! I'm one of those players who would much rather see individual game decisions evaluated with footage present. Personally, I'd love to see another episode like this, but focusing on a less roam-oriented mid laner like Lux or Orianna.
I hate everyone who plays like this. I’m just as bad but in a complete opposite way where I’m obsessing over every wave and often times giving up on plays where I might have been able to get a kill if I chased like a monkey for a couple more seconds. I hate team death match and it feels like some of the “rules” of league only apply when everyone else agrees to follow them. Managing waves correctly feels like a fools errand when the game has 20 kills at 10 minutes and the relative gold advantage you’ve created with careful wave manipulation is completely dwarfed by the gold gained by “I see fight I run to it and mash buttons”. 30 CS up means a lot more in a 5-8 score game than a 13-22 game. Caring about the wave state feels like being stuck inside studying for an exam while your friends are out getting drunk, only for the professor to postpone the exam anyways.
losing cs from waves doesn't matter but the xp is very important. always try and manipulate the wave to be crashed or have it crashed to you when you think a play is going to happen.
This is hard evidence that no matter what, when it comes to learning, mindset is everything.
Competitive games are 90% mental and mindset
No it's not, he's just bad.. you're both tards and the game is fixed. Engagement based match making and hidden mmr irrelevant to rank. Nuff said..
@@1v9Magick ‘before everything’ is a better way to put it. I’d say it comes first.
@@Jetashii not really it definetely helps but u don't really need it to play well and be consistent look at yamato for example although he rages very frequently his fundamentals are still very good so he naturally just climbs
Not true he might be schizophrenic.
"who gives a shit about potential?'
i absolutely love that quote. i had a football coach in high school that used to always say "potential just means you haven't done anything yet." Potential means absolutely nothing if you dont live up to it.
"Here lies a very promising old man" - David Foster Wallace
"potential just means you haven't done anything yet."
That is brilliant, I shall take this with me
The real potential is playing in the summoner's rift against anybody ,no matter what rank you have .
I agree that you don't want to use that word (potential) to make you feel like you accomplished something or the journey of improvement has been completed, but when I'm down in the dirt, remembering that i have potential, not only to reach my goal, but potential to get my ass moving towards that goal, is a shining light in a dark corridor.
@@pentabuzz149 exactly my point. Drives you to get up and go do something. But you don’t want to be left with nothing but potential when it’s all said and done.
this man used all chat more in one day than I have in the past 5 years
Bruh this guy is a genius. He just flamed a bunch of nerds and got free coaching for it.
love the way you put it ahaha
40k games in gold isn’t free even if he didn’t flame. There is no way my mental could handle that shit, and whatever remained from this player after this more than me cuz I’ve left the game multiple times after having been hardstuck plat for 6 seasons before I Uninstalled realizing I’m wasting my time without further improvements.
@@zemptaiMakes sense. This guy is just better than you.
@@yasserraghib3045 Lets flame everyone who isn't faker for not being faker, and also flame faker because he's somehow not absolutely perfect. Yeah, that seems perfectly logical.
@@ronnie9379 What does that have to do with my comment? I was picking at the guy for being hardstuck and suffering due to that
Aurelion Sol summed it up very nicely at the end.
"levels matter mr perma roam" lol
"I bet I'd do fine in challenger" 💀💀💀
I'd love to see how he plays Kat tbh.
He'd do fine in giving the enemy free wins 💀😂
imagine this guy playing against a player like Nemesis or any chall otps what would happen.... 💀
@@iagomarques5998Put him against some random Emerald guy and he starts pissing his pants minute 5.
"Nah, I'd win"
Ok Satoru gojo
This guy has the gall to say "ASol and Rengar are terribly designed champions" while he mained Yuumi
to be fair maining a champ dosent mean that you think that said champ is well designed.
i mained lethality yi when it was a thing, i would never say that this lethality yi build was well designed
yuumi is well designed. she was just overtuned at release
@@MiximumDennis xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I love your username lmao
@mechupaunhuevon7662 *cough* *cough* don't ask why I know this but it's by an artist called casemon
Rav is a low elo league content creator who used to be pretty popular, I still like his skits/commentary but he's definitely lower than plat. He's an ADC main and his recent video tested the theory of "adc being coinflip in low elo." He hired a high elo duo ADC and soft inted on support in order to prove his point: Neeko supp purposefully take terrible trades, going afk, missing abilities, etc. Guess what happened...
He got carried by the high elo duo partner and the guy was even having fun! Rav's take got totally destroyed.
I loved that video, it really showed that there's more to the game than just "being skilled".
The high elo guy he paid had a good mindset and KNEW he had the keys to unlock a victory.
hate that guy so much
@@fiethsing9988 I am mechanicly one of the best players at my champion because I onetrick him but I can also say that I play only like 50 games a year now which is way to little to get any high rank I just get into plat and stop playing I also have been D1 when I actually played 2000 games instead of 50 games a year but that might be because I avarage like 1 death a game on my onetrick
Can someone link this video so I can send it to a friend
@@WhyYouMad216 I gotchu ruclips.net/video/jadxnyFOhWM/видео.html
I really enjoyed and benefited from this episode. I was G4 (am now P2) last season, and I had an atrocious relationship with the game, making boatloads of mistakes every game. Your podcast helped me greatly with attitude towards the game, and now I'm improving steadily each week.
Thanks for all the content!
Awesome to hear, keep it up Jonathan! - Nathan
At first glance I read this as "making battletoads of mistakes"
plat this split is just gold since emerald was added
@@Blue-Hoe thats not how that works. That would only be true if they removed iron
@@damperemu4445 you can look at the numbers they don’t lie lol. plus i’ve seen many hardstuck silvers get to plat or even emerald once it was added
I am surprised how you guys kept a straight face reading the quotes at the beginning of the video
it looked like curtis was biting his lip to not laugh xd
I'm a GM player on EUW and watching this gameplay and how this player thinks about the game opened my eyes to a whole 'nother world of viewing the game. Like I had no idea someone can be, and I don't have another word for this, dense and stupid in their way of thinking about the game, or anything in life, really, thinking they are at the level of a challenger player when very obviously they are in the exact rank they belong into, not admitting to any flaws in their gameplay and thus never having anything to improve on, according to their thinking. I guess I thought maybe this was possible with people who played the game for 1-2 years. But with 40k games - jesus. It's like the only thing he learned in those games is how to operate champions mechanically and that's it, he has the macro-level knowledge of a beginner bot.
consequence of maining akshan, one of the top tier champs for NOT learning macro
I think that the problem here is that it does not matter how many games you are playing if, ultimately, you are not intentional about improving. If you study how grandmasters in chess improve at their game, you see that 80% of their time is studying, practicing tactics, game endings, playing against themselves, and the other 20% is actually playing those games.
In League I think this is more difficult (sure, you can practice combos, last hitting, clearing jungle camps, review your own games, watch other people play and take notes) and most people learn by playing many games. People like this show you that you need some self-reflection to become good at anything.
Just as a side point, now you also understand the massive flaw in democracy, when you realise how many people are fickly in their thinking, which is why socrates and greeks thought that universal democracy was so flawed.
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It is sad that it seems quite lot of people share that kind of.... persistent stupidity .
You can recognize thrm in game : they ping YOU because you actually do the good thing 🙂.
That's 1 red flag 😆
@@Mindhumble misantropy rules!!!
At 1:07:15, you missed a funny detail, even the enemy Aurelion Sol points out that Akshan roamed too much and threw his lead.
Asked for a replay he sends one where he fails a dive lvl 2, what a guy
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This guy is just a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
yes, because according to every metric he knows or cares about, he is a good player. kills, trades, matchuls etc. But he simply doesn't know how much he doesn't know. Macro, farming, wave manipulation, proper roaming, realizing that gold and impact don't just come from kills. this guy could learn a lot from the baus
most low elo players exhibit this behaviour. They keep blaming everyone else and overlook themselves because they think they play so good.
lol and he basically stated that he believes micromanaging is a myth and those dont matter. to him all it matters are KDA.@@aliyutube
how? this guy has more experience than a fair amount of challenger players. are you talking about a modified DK effect?
@@anon1963thank you. I was thinking the same thing.
Ah yes, the "Don't mention my champ pool, champs are easy to learn" guy.
Meanwhile, I can't even consistently CS properly when switching between champs because the auto attack wind ups are different.
Also, I find it hilarious that after all this talk about champion mastery not mattering...the first thing he does is E around the turret and not hit ASol with it at all.
bro is a walking talking dunner kruger syndrome
I'm going through this right now, the dark side of being an OTP is that every other champion suddenly feels hard as shit lmao
honestly, his micro isnt so bad for a gold player
@@catwif His micro in general yeah but compare him to other gold Akshan's and they would beat him in a 1v1 any time.
@@catwif as a former gold Akhan (gold 1 though) I think his mechanics were horrible. for me the mechanical mistakes are never the issue, it's my awareness and taking stupid ego fights and then (I guess this is where the mechanics come in) not dodging abilities
It is crazy how little some players respect cs as a way to win lane. You don't have to over force solo kills if you consistently can have a 10-20 cs lead by farming and forcing bad backs.
Some champions farm better. And if all players gonna farm it would be boring and nothing will be changed but the scaling properties of the late game. You need to trade in order to win. For some champions.
@@qazweriopkoilj xd iron take any champ should be able to perfectly cs if you are not bad, as a early game champ you can win by denying cs xp and getting huge eco and pressure advantages… kills are actually worth not much
@@darkfyy So you are saying kayle and akali can farm the same way. Ok.
@@qazweriopkoilj No, what he meant was, if you are a champion with an early advantage, you should use that advantage to gain a cs lead. The match-up in this specific game is a very good example, he should NEVER be behind in cs to sol.
Cs is the king in this game , its above all else , above mechanics , above jungle tracking even above macro it doesnt matter if you have all these things if your farm is shit then you wont have the damage or stats to capitalize on them , as a varus mid main i start cull every game and prioritize wave above all else, those dumb river fights bot and jungle keeps taking? You just have to ignore it and focus on you no one is going to help you if your not going to help yourself , farm well make smart decisions and carry the game league is that simple
This actually really helped me to realize the coin flippy-ness of certain ways of playing.
It didnt really super occur to me before that even if something happens to work out in your favor doesnt mean it was a good idea/playstyle, and that if you habitualize decision making like that itll make your game outcomes way more random
Blaming others for things that go wrong in your life is a miserable way to live. I just hope this delusional attitude is confined to his game. Gotta take a long hard look and do some self reflection my guy. Try and take some responsibility. Blaming his team, blaming Riot.... You'll realize that taking responsibility for outcomes in your life will be fullfilling and empowering, because these things are actually not all your teams fault and not all Riot's fault. Some? Sure. All of it? No. They're not the reason you're stuck in silver and gold with 40k games my man.
"not all your teams fault and not all Riot's fault. Some? Sure"
I think in these cases you shouldnt even say to them that some of it might be his teams fault or riots fault. just don't mention that and keep it all on self reflection. They might remember that sentence best of all.
And in the end I think if you look at the bigger picture you have 0% of it to blame on teammates or riot. Sure if you really focus on a specific time in a particular game for example your team makes a bad dive or there is a bug that makes you lose a fight you are not to blame (which you shouldn't mention to delusional people I think)
But when you look at a whole season or your whole rank in general you just cant blame anything else besides yourself
But that's just my take on it and I'm willing to change my stance
I have good mentality have never flamed anyone in league because I understand we all make mistakes only thing I can get pissed about is if someone bans my champion which I am howering from my team I just play then Soraka mid or top I still try but that is my reserve champion if the player on my team bans my champion only if it happens from my team.
@@LinardsZ "I have good mentality"
"if someone bans my champion which I am howering from my team I just play then Soraka mid or top"
these two sentences cant be combined
@@Legendaryium They can be if you are only Supportive champion player my main is Zilean so Soraka is just my backup I dont die on her at all if I play her and it is only thing which I do which might tilt my teammatws I dont write or spam ping I use her ult us Karthus ult for teammates on bot top if they need it which is very usefull to have
@@LinardsZ but you do it out of spite
which doesn't get you anywhere or your teammates who didn't ban the champ you hovered
that akshan game was a really good game to show how behind you can be if you always prioritize roaming over cs and tempo
He says it doesnt take a lot of games to learn a champ but then he does this: 48:49 I played a ton of akshan, and his E is a never ending learning process. You cannot ever learn everything about his e, the way it interacts with the environment and how to angle, it is just too hard to master it entirely, but the more you play the better you get. For example, at this timestamp, if he puts his E on the left wall, and swings with his body towards them instead of away, he gets both easily. And if they flash away you can easily hop of your e (you get a tiny dash when you let go) and kill them into a reset. -> This just showcases that his idea of "champs are easy to play" is just invalid. An akshan with more games will get a double there, 99 times out of 100.
Also 55:00 is a perfect example of him never using his single passive to kite. When akshan attacks and cancels his second auto, he gets a lot of movement speed. If he attacks xayah once and Qs her, he can just outrun her and never die. He never does this all game.
Good KDA and no good winrate means you don't know your wincon, and while he is right, that a champ is easy to learn mechanically, knowing how to best pilot the game it'self and close the game, takes a lot more games on that champ.
21:10 is giga high risk since aurelion still has flash, you never kill without dying. But his e shoulda hit the wall too instead of the tower so he would rotate closer to aurelion.
Played a ton of aksha, climbed from gold 4 to plat 1 with it last season (100 lp but failed my promos xd)
Either way, one thing I learned was that solo kills are sometimes not even worth it. Often times I'd get a solo kill, then back and find that my jungler is fighting and I'm not ther ebecause I needed to reset. It gets even worse if I brought ignite and enemy mid brought tp. The kill suddenly becomes a net loss. So I played more patient and usually just played for prio. So instead of diving, I'd hover my jungler.
Aside from the obvious mechanical issues too, he doesn't seem to understand the champion's identity on a broader scale (which the guys touch on). Champ mastery isn't just "can i press 4 buttons" its about knowing what your champ wants to do and when. When you're strong, your power spikes, your identity, how to play teamfights... he seems totally lost on all these counts. The sad part is akshan is probably one of his BEST champs since he mained it a few years ago. If this is his level of mastery on akshan, i dread to imagine how trash he is on the 60 other champs he's played 1 time this season. And wonders why he can't climb, lol.
yea i spotted that frrom the first play at 21:10, any akshan whos done their homework on the champ knows you don't hook the tower there, you hook the wall, and he would brush right up aghainst asol and melt him, even with flash would prob get the kill
I don't even play akshan and I recognized that's what he should've done because geometry. I understand that people make mistakes in the heat of the moment but with him being an Akshan main with THAT much ego? He's an idiot.
@@Sepums came here to say exactly this, it's not just knowing Akshan to some extent, it's also your intuition and ability to detect certain patterns in unknown/unexplored environments
You gotta be silver 2. Alsjan e is so easy to use; just intuitive but maybe that’s just me though
Your rant at the end was an absolute banger. I've had a rough couple of days in solo queue. Now I'm excited to get home and take one step at a time and really simplify my way back into the goal of consistency. Tonight will be all about getting farmed up getting all the exp I can, and looking for opportunities rather than forcing them. Thanks again, boys!
You guys are just being too hard on him. He beat that challenger player that one time, 8years ago, in a custom game 😂
As Bruce Lee once said: "I do not fear the man that plays 10 000 champions, I fear the man that played 1 champion 10 000 times"
It depends on the rank though. Someone who played 10k games on a champion and is still in silver is 100% dog shit at the game.
No. Not really.@@Tyotyo999
@@Tyotyo999 Honestly i would still fear that person as anyone who plays 10k games a season and still be low elo on 1 champion is either trolling to stay in the elo, has extreme bad luck, or has picked the worst champion in the game. But either way i still would not want them on my team, as holy shit how? No matter how bad you are or who you are you will not be silver if you played that many games on a single champion even if it is not in 1 season unless you got ranked Silver then just played norms for the rest of it, but that is the only way without intentionally trolling just to stay in the rank as till you get to Diamond or Emerald it is a numbers game. As in if you play enough games even if you are shit you will rank up to the average rank of all players which is around gold or plat
Like a lot of low elo people are only low elo because they don't play enough games a season and that's literally it
I’ve watched a lot of old LS reviews, and while you guys were reviewing this guy I could just hear LS calling him a sinner the entire time! Great pod!
As a low elo top lane main who understands how valuable gold and xp are, i regularly face opponent's who play like that Akshan and I always thank them for creating chaos while all I do is get solo xp and gold and end up being 1-2 items and 3+ levels ahead of everybody else so I can then just 1v5.
Yummi most played and lock screen player 😮
Two biggest red flags right off the bat lol
He only has 40,000 games! Can't expect him to learn how to play with screen unlocked yet
@@MrCotter99only a few more games and he will reach t1 levels of games played, difference is t1 gets payed for it and he's challenger or high masters level even on the line he hasn't played in a while
Doublelift...
I played with this person 3 days ago, he was playing rumble and I was playing jhin ADC. He was extremely toxic and was nonstop typing about how if he got on a Smurf account he could easily get to diamond. We ended up winning but woah to see him in an episode from 4 months ago is crazy.
40,000 games!? At 30 minutes a game, that’s 1.2 million minutes! That’s almost 900 days or almost 3 years straight of constantly playing games, not counting queue times! Did this guy really have 40k games!?
Hey guys adc main here, gotta say I love the podcast, it’s helped me a lot both in and out of game.
Ty so much
hey man I have some ADC vods in my youtube profile playing in masters tier, feel free to add comments if you want to take a look at them and have something to add - or any questions about the decisions I made in the game
@@vitorwindberg4212 sure man I'll check them out and learn a thing or two. Thanks
imagine if you learn stuff from this place hah just watch streams its 10x more useful
This guy is the bizarro baus
Getting absolutely wrecked by the bounty system and completely unaware of how gold is generated
This is by far my favorite type of League content to consume. I learn so much every time. I hope you guys make more of these replay analysis videos
Learned a lot too, I somehow got MUCH more from this breakdown than from hundres of (pekin woof) challenger games I like to watch.
The first step to learning something is admitting you don't know it.
Champ mastery (the stat tracked by league/riot) is not an accurate representation of champ mastery (the abstract concept). There's a reason why there is a 1000000+ singed onetrick in every division. Those hours spent can only maybe correlate understanding, but in no way do they dictate it. Some hours that a person will spend on a champ will mean more or less than others' hours.
I would love to see this guy coping playing in challenger and being a cannon minion every game
Nah Castor minion as Canon minions are better and worth more
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena you serious ? i can see him as canon minion in gold one
@@07ilyes Refresh my mind. What is this about again? A lot of comments and things i forget in a month when they are not important
“Levels matter mr. Perma roam”
Those parting words about the highs and lows really sang to me. This podcast is very high quality in terms of being able to break down the minute to minute mental effects of league and I am so glad I found this. Thank you, Curtis. Thank you, Nate.
This guy needs a reality check...but my main issue with him is that he's toxic, he was toxic to all of the people who commented under his post, the people here (when he started to argue and be rude first) and Curtis and Nathan themselves. That's not how you interact with other humans. He's just lashing out a lot.
Nobody gives a damn abt some Season 5 game, focus on the here and now and stay realistic about your level of play. If there's one thing I learned in the MLS, it's that.
You know there's a way to play League with 80+ champs a season, mechanics max, constant fighting, and no objective or win cons already built into the game. It's called ARAM. I bet if Riot added ranked ARAM he would switch to that. But as is his ego is getting in the way because he wants the rank attached. Or maybe he should just accept playing the game for fun only. Either way he'd probably be happier.
I have 7k arams played and i would never ego pick a random champ in ranked only because i might have 100+ games of that champ in aram because the rift is COMPLETELY different, i wouldn't fucking know how to win the game with that champ apart from how to skirmish and teamfight with it because that's all what aram is about, i don't understand how he has this immense ego, i could probably be better at his entirely champion pool than him considering the time i invested but holy shit i would be delusional to consider myself better than any serious champion X main.
As a fervent ARAM player, I say YES to ranked ARAM :D.
It is cobstant fights, it is no problem to die, and make you focus strongly on mechanics... !
But it has its own strategy and their is manner to play to be able to win.
Exemple : you have to master the timing to die.
Exemple : at 20 min +, after a push ending with 1/4 life, it is way better to die undertower of ennemy base. You will respawn right in time to defend yours.
But if you don't die and stay 1/4 life... you can make the team lost the fight, and the game, because at min 25 you can often finish in one push after an ace.
Bref, ARAM is life :)
Broken By Concept making enemies by just trying to help out the community
First is Neace and second is Yuikoneko 😂
itd be a shame if yukineko felt like they were enemies after this essentially just got a bunch of free coaching Id love to be the next subject of one of these haha
I would love for Curtis and Nathan to spend an hour and a half on helping me improve
"No good deed goes unpunished."
@@ekajjj but succesfully helping this guy will make them the best LoL soloQ coaches in the world 🤣
@@ardvarksimmons Well people don't like being told they are wrong especially if they have not asked
Hell a lot of the times if you want experience on shot calling spam pings and eventually people will follow or listen to the pings. Actually it is a good idea to spam ping anyways to climb AS LONG as you are not being toxic about spam pinging such as question mark above someone that just died
Whooo boy, I'm glad I clicked on this recommended video. As someone that spends far more time on the League subreddit than I should, this whole thing was cathartic as all get out. I'm trash at this game. I know I am, I have no desire to improve. I can accept that this is my spot on the ladder cause I have no hands and no wrinkles on my brain. But if you're in a game with me, there's a reason for it, dawg. You belong in my game.
The bit at the end there is something I needed to hear because I'm currently going through that guilty, down period. I see it for what it is, I can deal with it and come back from it now. Thanks, dudes.
The ranked system is absolutely a meritocracy. Love this review! Speaking hard truths. Hopefully this gent can humble himself enough to hear it.
i mean it is and it isnt. game balance is a significant factor, so the champs u play, the role u play in league determines your rank for most ppl playing, if i play annie instead of ryze my elo will be inflated. also u can get lucky or unlucky on a climb, like neace for example. u may get elo inflated by your teammates (short term), your champ pool and your role... thats alot within the meritocracy. not everyone has enough hours to grind out their "true" rank or elo if they are temporarily handicapped by game balance and unfair matchmaking
@@mortystraphouse5077 how can you be inflated by your role if every role has a 50% winrate.
@@mortystraphouse5077 Statistically, only in extremely rare cases will you get "unlucky" matchmaking for a long series of games. And game balance and champ choices might make a difference, but the truth is league is a fairly well balanced game maybe a champ makes you go a few hundred lp higher but on the whole journey your skill is gonna make orders of magnitude more difference. And the role stuff is just pure cope.
@@bentbeyondrepair
It's a lot easier to play some roles at a high elo level than others. Some roles have more impact than others, etc.
@@anotherrogue8371 sure but lets say support and jungle have high impact. If the support and jungler on the other team also have high impact how does that make it easier for you to win?
Dude plays locked screen. End of Review.
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I reached diamond 2 with playing mostly locked screen
I play 95% locked screen master 240
@@blackinpinkk2505 could be at least 500 if you unlock it then
He beats challengers on locked screen
Love the wholesome and useful "drama" in order to help us grow! Ty guys for the great content, as usual.
Locked screen led to critical missed information about mid wave states and bot roams, really holding them back in losing out on critical information constantly.
As a player who has achieved both Rank 1 PvP titles and Hall of Fame on retail raiding, the difficulty between WoW and League is not even close. League is the harder game.
Idk how you can say that league is harder. They are DIFFERENT. One is a moba, the other an mmorpg. You CANNOT compare them. As a good player, you should know this.
Yes its harder, ignore the other comment.
If you compare diablo 4 and starcraft 2, them are two different things but clearly one is harder that the other because the skill ceiling and limit, his point is not right.
I like to compare league with chess that also u need skill to move your piece.
Chess is an extremely mechanically intensive game@@TheLastGhostLegendario
@@huggablepenguin1465you don't need to compare them to say one is harder, league is just objectively harder. just like CSGO is objectively harder than COD
Really fail to understand what could possibly make WoW a hard game by any standards but I played it quite a while ago
I love coming back to this one. I’m trying to pass my Masters peak last season, and I play norms to warm up. A lot of guys flame me after a norms game saying stuff like:
“Diamond??? That’s trash bro!” While being plat IV
“You abuse --, you aren’t good!”
“Getting your rank is just luck”
People are hilarious. Dunning Krueger in full effect
1:07:55 “You’re not good at the game” this is the peak of the episode ❤
at around 7:30 it really just shows he knows nothing about high elo. "abusing duoing" like he doesnt know you cant even duo in high elo
"league isnt a complex game and playing the champs isnt hard" > proceeds to fail the most basic tasks in lane and fails a dive level2 due to lack of champion mastery > "how was i not in range"
No mentioning any of the failed basics, but for an "Akshan main" (even few years ago) this guy lacks in almost all possible mechanical skills, to the point that an amateur Akshan player like me questions where his 100k+ mastery points even are:
- he doesnt hookshot out of base, or on the way to lane
- misses Q alot, even on minions
- uses W while in vision
- doesn't know how to do hookshot tower dives (to the wall by the tower, so the enemies are in range, not onto tower barely reaching anything)
His skill level stays at "yeah I've red his abilities", but he really struggles to realize any non-obvious potential uses of this champs kit. Also what are these wack runes, like part laning/part roaming/part vamp with random Trascendence - not comitting to anything.
No communication with pings combined with locked cammera. Even on league of graphs statistics u can see he never pings. Even if his teammates were mindreades it would not help because he himself probably does not know what his intentions are. Could explain all the coin-flip plays.
Ive played since season 2, played thousands of games and this season I've gone from my peak of plat to bronze. Helpful video ty
I did nottt know about the stream for akshan passive, i just thought it was putely if u kill a marked target you get the revive. This passive does so much 😂😂😂
also it gives mana regen based on missing% of your mana when you run to guy who killed your teammate
First video I've seen from you guys and enjoyed it. Very clear constructive criticism for lower elo players without being demeaning. I'm a D2 JG main so while I didn't learn much from this I found it entertaining and will check out your content.
i can't help but think that turning off indicators would help him hit some of those Q's. he probably has the quick cast with indicators turned on and that makes it so there's a slight delay from when you press/let go of the key to when the ability is used. no reason to have indicators when you have thousands of games in league and hundreds on akshan specifically
I would say those individual losses where he only plays the champ once and loses, those 20-30 games with no wins or low w/l ratio would have a massive effect on his climbing. That is the equivalent of a whole division, so low gold could have been low platt if he stuck to the champs he excelled at. I had the same thing as him, as i like to enjoy trying all champs (except draven and qiyana feel so clunky to me) but when i climbed very quickly i was spamming ww nocturne amumu and trundle jungle with very high winrates and climbed very quicly and found the higher elo games easier due to better teamwork, which is another thing i have in common with this guy, as we both are very teamwork orientated, so relying on bad or tunnel vision team mates would naturally be a disadvantage for us. Looking forward to the analysis.
This was interesting, this feels like the polar opposite of how I approach the game. They seem to over-focus a lot on kills and KDA, while I over-focus on minions and map pressure, and generally under focus on kills as I just find it more interesting & fun to try and create advantages in other ways.
So it's super weird watching this and being unable to relate to their gameplay at all. I'm used to watching much higher level gameplay, from people who I assume have a more "balanced" mindset when it comes to things like kills vs CS and the risk vs reward and all that stuff, so I can usually relate to their decision making on some level, even if I am significantly worse.
I'm not really a great player myself, probably a bit worse than this guy tbh (I just play for fun, so I'm not worried about it), I was already fascinated by how differently high elo players can approach the game, see Baus and other off-meta enjoyers for good examples, but I don't think I ever realized just how much more different it can get in lower elos.
Yorick seems like ur character
bro this is inception level algorithm to me, i had forgotten about coach curtis until a video popped on my feed and made me think of a guy who had a similar quality of videos for jungler, i couldn't remember his name though. i remember watching his nunu and olaf guides, so glad i found him (nathan)! and it's awesome they're doing collab efforts lol
It would take a phd level of study to get to the higest level of anything regardless of how simple it is
this is the first time i been recommended this show, and i always like more coach curtis. time to get comfy.
Often times players, high or low elo, know the "textbook" play. But when they are mentally disrupted, from teammates pings, enemy emotes, being ganked, being solod, etc., they start to play with ego instead. Taking coinflip trades and sometimes even obviously bad ones. The most obvious one is when one of your teammates die from a really stupid decision. The cost fallacy induces many players to take risks they otherwise would not take. Cut your losses and leave. This is what pro teams are so good at doing, even though small advantages matter so much more at the professional level. Its shocking to see how dreadfully unaware some people can be of their own decision making skills and the various factors that affect them.
Watching this for a second time, it's surely the most captivating video you've ever made
Such a good episode this week. Little sad that it's OCE winter and Curtis is wearing long pants
Wait it's really winter in australia? God I should've paid attention in geography
I was gone from this game since 2013/2014 only occasionally playing arams since then but damn ... Your podcast and some other guides I've been watching jave actually explained to me why i was bad, i just thought i was somehow inferior to other players and couldnt understand how with decent/kinda good mechanics i couldnt win games and lanes when i was sometimes better thany opponent at 1V1's, theres such a deep level of understanding you actually gotta go through to understand why decisions are wrong/right that it actually makes this game so much more interesting!
I used to be the "i counter this champion, how tf am i lossing to it?" Guy because i had zero understanding of how laning actually works and how situational matchups are, so thank you so much for that
Damn this whole game was how not to play akshan, this guy is where he belongs. Amazing video as always
"Yuumi is a toxic champion"
YOU HAVE MY VOTE FOR PRESIDENT
Idk what's crazier, being in iron or having 40k games in gold lol dam
getting out of iron is actually pretty hard for someone thats brand new at the game ngl it was a struggle for me
being in iron is fair, you are just not good at the game yet - problem is when you think you are better than everyone in your games but somehow you can't climb out of your rank
Iron >> you don't have experience yet
40k games in gold >> you don't have intelligence yet
I mean the only reason why this guy isn't in iron is because of his mechanics, everything else on his gameplay is iron level for sure.
@@VigilTheProtogen bronze and silver is not being experienced at the game. In my life i met 1 guy irl thats actually iron and he is like top 5 dumbest people i ve seen. Like i get if you are a complete beginner or new to video games as a whole, so u cant get out for a while, but to be stuck in that elo you have to be a bit different ngl. Think about it, on a fresh account, your starting mmr is around silver, to reach iron you have to drop 2 whole ranks from your starting point, i dont think i would be able to lose that much if i tried without getting banned. i know people who sell iron accounts and struggle for weeks to drop to iron by constantly trolling and inting games.There is a youtuber called JaySea or something that said it was harder for him to drop to iron(him and his friends were trying to lose games for months) than to reach challenger for the 1st time, thats wild. Maybe im wrong but i just dont get iron elo...
One of the most educative videos I've seen yet
congrats on 10k!
Another point is that he doesnt even play usual Akshan secondary runes which are Shield Bash to Boneplating, in this case rather Second Wind which would also help him to play super aggresively as he apparently wants to. I honestly believe he would be able to kill Asol in 27:22 with correct set of runes, especially because he wouldnt be as chunked as he was if he had Second Wind with Shield Bash in those bad trades before the incident happend. Saying from a perspective of a 400LP master player on EUNE, who mained Akshan for a whole season.
Nah should've went triumph with boots biscuits and attack speed
@@TYFLOL I didnt see if he had 2 adaptive force or attack speed I just reacted on main runes, but on Akshan you usually want to take Presence of Mind because of lack of mana with multiple uses of E in teamfights and also Triumph was quite drastically nerfed so I dont agree with that one. Also he shouldnt need biscuits in this match up, especially because it doesnt give you any value after the early game ends. Shield Bash and Second Wind have use in whole lenght of a game.
nathan saying just relax brings tears to my eyes
Love this, please more of those. This is really interesting to see for me as a gold player but I wonder because I'm not doing the mistakes he does but I'm in the same elo. This probably means I make different mistakes I can't really put my finger on but I also don't spam games as he does.
It does mean you make different mistakes. I'm gold 3 and my issue is that I'm hesitant on macro in the mid game. And I play too many champions. I'm now trying to main 2 champs (gwen and ksante) exclusively for now and trying to take notes on replays of what I should've done
@@bullettime1116how is it going?
@DustyyBoi I improved and got better but because I'm an adhd gamer I got bored of league and I'll be back eventually
@bullettime1116 Just got a notification of you replying to him. It's funny because reading my own comment after a few months I now see how much I really improved. Back then I still was gold but shortly before Emerald got introduced I hit plat for the first time. I then ranked into emerald and I now hover between Emerald 3-1. This video was probably the start of the change in my mindset and how I view the game, it took me a long time to get to this point but constantly telling myself that I deserve to be in the elo I am and that I'm not someone special who riot picked out to keep stuck really helped. I now am able to see my own mistakes and recognize them earlier, I stopped getting mad over my team and started observing the game from a broader sense. The game has been so much more fun thanks to Curtis and Nathan.
@@anniekujo nice 👍
I love how Asol said Akshan was 3 levels behind because of permaroaming. His problems are so obvious people who aren't even on his team can see it easily.
Always a good monday
I wish someone would do this for top lane. Any suggestions?
Getting gold purely from kills is also really terrible for team economy. In the sense that shut down bounties go insanely high from kills. You could be up only 100g on your opponent, and have a 600g bounty, if your gold is all from kills and his is from farm and plates. And then you die with the bounty and now you are behind 500g in gold, dead on a long timer, and your opponent still has no shut down bounty. And you could be 9/2/3 stats, thinking you are so fed and ahead. And then go sprint it down at them without realizing they are now in the lead, and die again.
New player here. Excellent insight.
This is my first time watching you guys and it's been super interesting. I definitely learned some stuff. I feel like I'm in the opposite situation as that guy - I get really upset at myself and feel like I do everything wrong, but really struggle to improve to. I get really bogged down looking at my stats and seeing how low my average gold, kda, damage, etc. is. I feel like, aside from practice, I could really benefit from some coaching or something, but money is limited. For now I'll keep watching you guys' videos and hope I pick up a thing or two.
These guys are great, but there are probably some better channels strictly for coaching/gameplay. This channel is more about outer concepts of league like climbing, and how to approach it. Try to learn the fundamentals and take off from there. If You are a top laner, check out Alois, he is proven to be pretty much top 3 toplaners of EUW and best Riven onetrick. He teaches top fundamentals so well and is insane at the game as well as making climbing to masters iwth different top lane champions.
I love these case study videos.
something i've noticed about low elo games is the second anything goes wrong at all (or even if it didnt go wrong they just think it did) they immediately take to chat and type out a whole novel
Can't HURT ME FROM DAVID GOGGINS! I love that book!
- fight with 1 level diff
- no wave/camera control
- Use E not to Escape/
finish but to poke
- Miss at least 1/2 little items for lack of minions
- Is aggressive with no sums
- No sinc ping with his jun to really fight him
Bro this is a bronze player that brute forced his way on gold with huge amount of games, nothing else to say
right, literally rammed his way straight to gold
to the player who's the subject of the vid, don't take the comments made to heart, it was quite brave to upload ur gameplay w/ those claims and imo i see at as ur own unique cry for help.
however! you must shed your old attitude. it was disrespectful to generalize the game when people playing in masters are nit-picking their own miniscule mistakes, what the coaches said about "know-it-all" mentality is very true - u will not grow if u do not give urself room to do so. you have more than alot of learning to do and, not to be rude but, i am shocked u managed g4 playing locked camera and getting 40 cs at 15 mins. if ur response to this is anything besides accepting that this is a massive red flag in gameplay means u will not progress no matter how many thousands of games u grind.
challenger players consistently hit dia/masters with insane w/r because they have all of the fundamentals down perfect and are able to abuse that gap in skill and knowledge to turn around 99% scenarios in their games.
u quite literally do not understand the rules of lol, which is completely fine and u should not be belittled over it; however, it is ur ego that is causing u to not improve.
a few things that i feel r generating this hyper inflated ego (which u surpassing is vital to ur ability to get better at the game) are:
1) u seem to have won a lane phase or two against some high elo players, i guarantee with 100% certainty u would not be able to consistently win lane in challenger based on ur pov.
2) u have been very close to dia and fallen down to s4 which is a massive hit and i can only imagine how tilted u must have been. this tilt over loss of lp is what is causing u to play w emotions and not brain.
3) u have thousands of games played and cannot progress - this means u have built up many, many really crucial negative habits and, equally as important, many negative emotional responses (hence ur passive-aggressive typing).
4) u've played alot and seem "bored" causing u to play sloppy and have a poor mental. if u want to win u need to play every game like its promos for chall.
my advice:
1) turn on experience number displays in settings so u can learn exp distance and remind urself when ur not in exp range.
2) when the game starts /deafen. when negative plays happen do not comment or ping on it. focus on ur own gameplay i guarantee u make a hundred mistakes/game
3) when disappointing losses like this one occur u MUST go and watch replay and figure out the critical mistakes u made that caused u to be unable to 1v9.
4) play just one or two champs. getting high elo is alot harder than u think. u may feel as though u have mastery over many champs but in reality u do not, this is just the reality of a game with as much variability as lol.
ur biggest problem by far is ur mindset. feel thankful. i have seen ppl in with the right mindset and willingness to improve, unfortunately physiology holds them back.
even though coaches lowkey roast u, u should feel blessed that the have shown u a very, very clear path to improvement. plat/dia is not out of ur reach if u just /deafen and focus on self.
I have been looking for this podcast (not exactly this podcast but what this podcast is) for years
Why does your camera keep breaking?
Low budget podcast. - Nathan
I think you guys didn't emphasize the gold enough. In the 20min mark the most important thing by far is that Asol is actually even/leading in gold. Which is absolutely insane as this Akshan is thinking hes fed or something. Actually he is about even in gold and wayyy far behind in xp...
Its so weird, bcs when your read this guys comments about the game, I had a weird deja vú feeling. THey all kinda sound the same (game isnt complex, people are just abusing broken champs/duo, etc.)
What a fantastic Idea to have a League of Legends podcast. Best of luck to you two, I'm subscribing.
I really like this commentary. You two clearly know what you're talking about, and are able to analyze the game at a macro level, which is pretty impressive. The only slight criticism I have is that you keep saying the guy "got lucky". Don't get me wrong, he definitely got lucky a bunch, however, I don't feel like "the stars perfectly aligned" the whole game for him. When he got some kills in bottom lane, he went there when the opponents were overextending to his team's tower, that's not really luck. It was also mentioned that "he's taking all the kills", and I'm sure he took a few, but in a lot of the clips it looked like the adc died, and then he finished the fight by killing people solo or with the support. In one of the fights after caitlyn died, he finished the fight killing 2 people, and because of his passive, caitlyn got rezzed. There's a big difference between stealing/taking a kill from someone else (and depriving them of gold), and getting kills by finishing the fight. Just my 2 cents.
They called it lucky because he’s literally running in blind. He has no idea the wave state/ their abilities/ their health. He is getting lucky.
It's crazy how many people think champion mastery begins and ends at knowing how to use you abilities.
Playing on locked screen (immediate red flag) and playing a ton of yuumi in gold, there are your main issues to nip in the butt. Playing way too many champions and acting like you mastered them in 3 games, THAT is disingenuous.
saw the xaya chasing him, at 54:30. my only comment is, buddy, you're really losing into those players when ahead? that's 10000% you.
having a massive ego is worst than having a feeding team
Very nice episode, nice breakdown of everything and great tips in the end as well. Thanks for video! =)
He wins that level 5v6 fight if he just ya know... cancels his e and just autos him. He had bypassed all of A-sols abilities and just had to dodge ult at that point. Wild this guy can misplay so hard and then say that its the devs poor balancing. Know your limits... lol wait you dont bro you play every champ in the game.
I was getting close to have this type of relationship with the game a time ago. I was sorta aware i was doing something wrong but focused more on tue others than myself. Had the luck to find Nathan's academy and realized all the bad things I had.
Nowdays I can finally say im a healthy spot with the game. League is just not for me, still I wanted to perform at certain level with the character i lile the most and I did it this season. Even if I no longer play it, I love all the discussion about it.
I'll give him just one thing -- he did actually try for a Baron call at 1:04:00 but Caitlyn had opted to go straight bot after getting revived so it didn't end up panning out. Too little too late, I know -- but I really do empathize with how having that happen can make you feel, especially when ahead.
Playing in solo queue can suck because yeah, sometimes teammates will overstay/push other lanes rather than doing baron, they'll commit to bad plays, etc. etc... but before you go pointing fingers at teammates being the primary cause of your rank, you should hone all aspects of your own play as far as you can, and he clearly still has room for improvement on many fronts there. I've been playing since Season 2 and the highest I've ever peaked is G3, and while I certainly groan at a lot of the stuff I see happen in solo queue too, I overstay and greed for kills, overvalue plates, and don't review my games. I'm where I should be for the effort I put in.
Thanks as always for the podcast, and I hope to see more episodes like this in the future! I'm one of those players who would much rather see individual game decisions evaluated with footage present. Personally, I'd love to see another episode like this, but focusing on a less roam-oriented mid laner like Lux or Orianna.
This is the first episode I’ve seen of this podcast as it was recommended in my RUclips feed. I thought this was a great analysis and subscribed 👍🏻
Just goes to show that humility is a requirement to learn/improve 🙏
These podcasts are great! I am not able to be as optimistic as you two by half, but I enjoy hearing it.
I hate everyone who plays like this. I’m just as bad but in a complete opposite way where I’m obsessing over every wave and often times giving up on plays where I might have been able to get a kill if I chased like a monkey for a couple more seconds. I hate team death match and it feels like some of the “rules” of league only apply when everyone else agrees to follow them. Managing waves correctly feels like a fools errand when the game has 20 kills at 10 minutes and the relative gold advantage you’ve created with careful wave manipulation is completely dwarfed by the gold gained by “I see fight I run to it and mash buttons”. 30 CS up means a lot more in a 5-8 score game than a 13-22 game.
Caring about the wave state feels like being stuck inside studying for an exam while your friends are out getting drunk, only for the professor to postpone the exam anyways.
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losing cs from waves doesn't matter but the xp is very important. always try and manipulate the wave to be crashed or have it crashed to you when you think a play is going to happen.