Everyone needs a friend like Kobe! Knows that Meteos accomplished a personal goal but was too humble/didn't think it was big enough to talk about and brings it up for him.
The soft inting ban thing won't be easy. Hard inters dont get banned half the time. Quasi afkers who just afk farm or even just walk in and out of fountain dont get banned. It will be real hard to detect.
Agreed. It could be hard to tell for sure even with manual review whether a player is soft inting, or disagreeing with their team about the best strategy but still trying to win, or just having a bad game (especially at lower ranks). I think it would be completely impossible to do automatically.
While true, and how far they take it will be interesting, for now they've clarified they're looking at things like following the jungler and stealing camps. Things that haven't historically been automatically trackable and aren't hard inting, and by that definition fall under soft inting...for now. So I'm ok with the current new things they're adding to the automated system, but wary if it goes too far.
soft inting has been going on for YEARS. and it’s sad that we finally getting a discussion about it when the player base in NA is the lowest it’s ever been. reason why i quit the game is 9/10 games someone gets petty to the point where they will stop trying to win the game because they’re upset at their own teammate for bullshit
Yeah, and the worst part is it often still ruins the game even when the problematic person is on the other team. I quit league when I was about to queue and I literally thought “I’m probably not gonna enjoy this at all, and I’ll feel empty after”. Could also be that the game in general outstayed its welcome for me, but I think the constant tantrums and soft inting didn’t help.
@@MrAlihassanein think the older i got the less time i got to play and the less games i got and that just meant that even the few games i got, every game was filled with inters on either side and there’s just no escape
There’s a player I consistently run in to (I’m extremely low elo) and he always types “only I decide who wins this game” and will either 1v9 or soft int it’s so weird to see happen because he actually does it EVERY TIME I think riot needs to limit how much one singular player can negatively impact the game? Dunno if that’s possible
only at 16:00 in the video so idk if they mention this, maybe a good punishment for people "soft inting" could be to ban them from playing ranked? it could be like how CS does it where it scales from 24 hours, 3 days, a week, etc.? its just hard to really classify what "soft inting" is when people could genuinely be clueless about the game or just misplay.
Can't wait to continue getting banned by 5k dmg adcs, 3 kp junglers, and first time champ mids because I'm trying to create a competitive game against an enemy team with a team that is not competitive and die a lot because of it
Love how they reiterate the fact that if you’re normal, you have nothing to worry about. I’ve played over a decade and I get mad, I flame, I troll, but I’ve never gotten banned or chat restricted. It takes a lot to get you there and if you’re genuinely worried then maybe you are soft inting more than you think
I agree about soft inting. It's complicated and a lot of factors go into trying to objectively identify it to hand out hardware bans. I think a good baseline is to factor in the person's historical punishments and reports they've received.
People soft inting is what made me quit playing. Most of the time they also wouldn't surrender so you were stuck until the enemy finally decided to end the misery for you
That's true sometimes, but I actually think it goes the other way more often. A lot of my experience with "soft inting" is by players who want to surrender, but when their teammates disagree they stop trying to win the game (and ironically, THEY complain about being held hostage by their teammates). And often these are even in games where the enemy team has only a small advantage, not completely hopeless unwinnable ones.
@@joshuachartrand268 Id say at least 50% of my games end in an ff, whether it's mine or the enemy team. My perspective is definitely skewed because I really only play norms with friends these days, so there's no LP on the line. I'm sure that makes ff more likely.
@@rynejones8513that would be terrible because there have been many games where a team looks well behind but then manages to make a pick and take an objective once or twice and it completely swings the game back the other way
The goal of Leauge is to get farm, get kills, get vision or get objectives. A player can easily soft int by only participating in one of these tasks in a game, because they then aren't trying to bring their full value to their team and therefore make losing far more likely. But, since they are still doing *something* they don't get banned.
ive come across more toxicity in WoW Mythic+ Dungeons than I have in League. I am also in Iron/bronze so i probably just havent seen a whole lot of inting since we are all bad lol
If they do it at a hardware level, it will decrease the soft inters by a drastic margin. Most soft inters aren't smart enough to solve it or won't want to bother solving it. Just like when they cracked down on scripting. It decreased scripting significantly. Nothing is 100%, but any decrease at all is better than doing nothing
What if instead of banning people, each time a player soft ints they get points added to a hidden weight and the higher that weight is the more likely you are to get placed with people who also have a high weight. Slowly they'll be moved out of games with people who try and are respectful, but they can still play the game the way the want, but only with people who want to play the same toxic way. And if they have an epiphany and start to play better perhaps their number could go down and they could rejoin polite society.
i agree with azael more than kobe about the aggressiveness of punishments. if you incrementally increase punishment people adapt. if you go hard people stop BECAUSE it’s so serious.
Kobe's take on soft inting is 100% spot on. The way in which they are able to "detect" soft inting in game and roll out punishments is going to be massively important. How the hell are you going to ban someone for soft inting, let's say in iron and bronze elo, when 99% of games play out in a constant state of non-optimal play due to players just simply not being that good? I can foresee this system rolling out bans for a lot of these casual/normal players it's seeking to protect.
I love playing ADC champs but I refuse to play a 2v2 lane it’s just too much for my teeny tiny brain and I cannot trust rando supports to be on the same page as me ever
Support perspective here. If I am buying space, winning trades, and I identify that you can’t cs in an efficient manner with a heavy advantage. I will straight up leave you in an attempt to bring my CC and vision control to a player that gives us a higher chance of winning.
@@1638whatsuphello adc main here. When my support dies level 1 to a blitzcrank hook, comes back to lane, dies level 1 to a blitzcrank hook. Comes back and dies level 2 to a blitzcrank hook while I'm level 3/level 4 and leaves, I'm not sure what space they bought me.
I wonder if in regards to the red/blue side abuse for lp gain....maybe they need to make the time penalty for dodging longer with a larger exponential growth for successive dodges per day instead of just dodges in a row. They would have to take into account people taking troll picks/summoner spells to try and force others to dodge but that could be taken into consideration with the soft inting problem.
I would only be ok with shrinking the selection time if we had more time post comp chosen to update runes. A person being last pick when you don't know what your opposing laner is playing can be very disadvantageous if you're trying to update a rune page you want. There's just a lot of variance to champ select that I think makes the current time it takes a necessary evil. League is a complex game so having the time is to the benefit. But some of my champs have up to four rune pages that work with them IE Jayce can run, First strike, phase rush, conqueror or electrocute if you're feeling spicy. And I do realize there are some champs that can actually run the same setup every game no matter what.
4 out of 21 games were soft inters that I remember from the last 2 weeks. Probably more of these were soft inting, but I didn't notice as much because it didn't affect my lane, etc.
Love that Azeal made sure to make the point of how much it sucks to go through queue time, draft, and game just to have almost an hour wasted. So frustrating. As an attorney working crazy hours and living with a partner, sometimes all I have time for is 1 game. It fucking SUCKS when that’s ruined by some a-hole soft inter. And honestly, even on those rare days where I can spend a handful of hours playing, it is still a huge shot to the gut when even just one of those hours is wasted by these people. Get em out!
15:20 Azael describing the quintessential league experience. I don't get that many hard inters either. But i get soft inter baby raging run it into opponent fight fight fight kids every single game. Its absurd and ridiculous how common it is and, as Azael stated, it makes you NOT want to play the game.
The comments section of any league video is wild. As a 4 year veteran of the game now, the only reason i dont tell people to play the game is because of the insane toxicitiy in the game. Ive been told to off myself, ive been threatened with violence, ive been false reported, ive been hostaged, ive seen it all. But then the community is always like "the games dying because the metas bad and my teamates suck!"
Nah I think everyone knows it is toxic and that's a problem. I tell my friends to play but just don't play solo. If you're in it with a friend you can make soft inter games fun if you have the right mindset and don't take everything so seriously
Banger episode! 😍 the soft inting and dodgers were the reason that made me leave the game a few months ago, i just play my 5 placement keep gold+, get skin. leave the game again, or only play aram, champ select its a torture. The last second dodge, omg, hate those guys! 😂😂
maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like for the past couple seasons, its been a way better experience in solo queue. I see much less inting and many fewer afks. I'm in high gold/low plat
Every time meteos talks about soft inting. I think about meteos brand game the 0-25 what a game. I ran it down once and I only got to 18 before the game ended.
regarding blue side red side i wonder would it be better to be able to enable an option to have a wild rift mode where the red side can just be flipped to act like blue side
Thank you The Dive for focusing on soft inting!!! This is such a big problem that happens *all* the time on N.A. server, about 50%+/- of ranked games it feels like. (bronze/silver in my experience) This generally, but not always, involves someone who gives up at 5 - 10 min and then absolutely ruins the game for everyone. They may even Blame Game others for the loss. People who do this with some level of consistency, shouldn't be allowed to play ranked in my opinion. Maybe a month ban from ranked is needed.
Double post!!! Riot needs to ban people who show a statistically significant number of games that are soft inted over a certain number of games. So like out of 20 games, 5 or more are soft inted could be a sign. In determining what soft inting is, Riot should not only look at negatives such as a player with a large number of deaths. If a player is actively trying to moves for their team (meaning, gold positive plays) despite otherwise "bad performance", then they should be ok. Gold positive plays can include split pushing even though your team dies on the other side of the map. On the other hand, farming jg at minute 20-30 instead of taking towers or team fighting could be a sign of soft inting. As the hosts said, automating this system would be tricky though, I can imagine.
I wasn't around for league's early days, but I've heard a little about tribunal. Would something like having ur last 2 games that you got reports on be reviewed if you've received over 100 reports be similar to old tribunal?
I think there should be a minimum rank for the 'soft-inting' bans. As much as I agree that this is still a thing in my Plat game, half the time I feel like people are just dumb and don't know what the 'optimal' play is lol.
i think in order to fix soft inting they need to innact some type of system where the soft inter either is automated or through a vote like a surrender is subject to either minus lp gains or positive lp losses. Ive had many times where a player tried their hardest to int the game and make it unwinnable but myself snd my team win the game, that soft inter gets lp for that, then that helps them climb and stay in higher ranks, if you go 3/15 and your team wins the other players should get your lp divided up and you should get none, or if you lose vice versa.
I said this before and I think its worth restating. Riot needs to provide people with immediately feedback when it detends soft inting. It should always start with a warning and a suggestion to take a break or some other reasonable alternative. Most people who are soft inting are just TILTED and need to know they've been picked up by the system to either remind them that they cant just keep running it back or to at least just take a break so they can calm down from the tilt. So few players are hard committed to inting. They do it because in that moment they cant handle the overwhelming negative emotion and the only option they see is to play another game after to attempt to reclaim the sanity they lost, which is always a mistake for them, and it has the negative side effect of hurting the four people they have to play with next game.
Keep submitting these ideas to their open threads man, this is an ideal solution. Warnings before bans on a system like this. Imo this system is going to be best to hardware ban people that are smurfing AND running it down. People that are instantly swapping accounts after a chat restriction or a timeout.
Man i'd love a non League podcast from you guys, my favorite part is always the intro where you guys are talking about what you're been up to and games you're playing
Has a toplaner im scared of the ‘’soft inting’’ change because if you get dove on stacked wave, you are out of the game and the enemy team can choose to dive you repeatedly and then your 0/10 and the whole team is flaming
I have a 10 year old starting to play. Is he going to get hardware banned (including my account) for his play. Because sometimes it looks pretty awful.
Actually very likely if he is playing on your account as that is against TOS anyway. Make sure he has his own account and as long as his deaths are from him being actually bad and not him running it down in game you're good.
@@jimmic888 There's a chance he could get flagged as a deranking bot. Best bet is just to talk to him and make sure he is legit trying his best. Possibly give him some sit behind coaching to fix the bad habits. That way you get some fun parent kid bonding and your hardware is safe. It's what I'm looking forward to when my daughter is old enough to game.
I also mute all chat and it's the best to combat toxic players. Once people know they can't get under you skin bc you have mute chat, then it's obvious to see who's actually inting. The standing in the same area... I agree with KOBE 100%
Soft inting happens because it’s easier to feel agency throwing the game than playing to win… The prevalence of the behavior is a symptom of a core gameplay design issue. Spending time trying to identify and ban the behavior is a “band aid fix” and will only result in a different mini-game to feel agency in the game.
I think do the blind champ select and let double champs go. Let both Corkie's slowly poke at each other all game until one of them dies because they fell asleep first while both Lucian's smash their faces against each other bot lane to get the advantage. CHAOS REIGNS
For the swarm mode, I feel like I'm more likely to beat it and stop playing since I know it's going away. I wonder how stuff like thar will affect their metrics.
One day, Riot just needs to rotate the entire map so the you are going left or right instead of the classic DotA style map orientation. And I second Sneaky on just detaching pick order from side.
Just do what they do in Wild Rift, which is rotate the map for red side, so both sides look like they’re playing blue side, except red side team has baron on bot and dragon on top. (They have “baron lane” and “dragon lane” instead of top and bot)
instant don't like the guy that wants to hardware ban soft inters. like its literally league of legends. he's acting like he is perfect. he's the first to be hardware banned tf. i will say this for the people in the back YOU CAN NOT FIX SOFT INTING. add voice coms, deal with it, or stop playing the game. it cannot be manually reviewed either cuz people may have different ideas of how to win league. but the minute you start making it feel like a prison then no one wants to play. HOW ABOUT WE MAKE THE GAME NOT FEEL AWFUL TO PLAY WIHEN IT HAS POTENTIAL.
Doubt Azael will see this, but I play a lot of survivors/bullet heaven games, and outside vampire survivors I played the most Soulstone Survivors. Compared to others in the genre, AoE size is totally uncappped leading to that screen clutter; make sure you turn effect transparency to like 30% and it makes it a LOT easier to see stuff. Especially if youre a summon build because those chaos golems make everything impossible to see.
The reality of the game, is that it takes so much to go right with things that are outside of your control in order for your team to win and even to just have a competitive game A lot of players carry over previous results into future games so if they are on a multi game losing streak, they’re more likely to get tilted when things go wrong All players want to win but are scarred by having great games ruined by other people To me, riot should focus on other ways to build LP besides wins/losses The game should be about focusing on your individual performance but riot doesn’t reward that
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Dont let this banger episode distract you from the fact that Meteos did, in fact, stand up Kobe on their plans to watch Dune 2 in cinema.
Pin this man. Never forget.
Meteos no ;_;
🚨🚨DRAMA ALERT🚨🚨
yea but did you see his new haircut! 🔥🔥🔥
People don’t forget!
Kobe's laugh when Azael said Poo-Poo Lasers was from the soul man.
This might be one of my favorite Dive moments! That energy is contagious.
time stamp?
@xOscarAx first time stamp in the video description actually
Everyone needs a friend like Kobe! Knows that Meteos accomplished a personal goal but was too humble/didn't think it was big enough to talk about and brings it up for him.
Time stamp?
@@r0flcopter @3:00
The soft inting thing reminds me of Meteos's 1-27 Brand game.
Meteos has really improved his speaking skills / expressing himself in an articulate manner - feels much smoother than previous episodes. Kudos!
Yeah he has! That's what he was working on when he dodged Dune 2 with Kobe. 😅
Thumbs up for "survivorship bias" 👍
I'm glad he's talking more, that was kinda my complaints about him being on here but I'm glad he improved :)
Yeah his English has gotten really good
We've gone full circle with going back to Tribunal review, lol, that's the only way to know fully if someone is 'soft' inting.
Thank you for keeping this podcast going during the break! Even just talking about the game of league, I still love tuning in
The soft inting ban thing won't be easy. Hard inters dont get banned half the time. Quasi afkers who just afk farm or even just walk in and out of fountain dont get banned. It will be real hard to detect.
meteos barber is grand theft stealing paychecks with that job
Soft inting is so subjective and impossible to actually define. I am with Kobe
well said.
Agreed. It could be hard to tell for sure even with manual review whether a player is soft inting, or disagreeing with their team about the best strategy but still trying to win, or just having a bad game (especially at lower ranks). I think it would be completely impossible to do automatically.
While true, and how far they take it will be interesting, for now they've clarified they're looking at things like following the jungler and stealing camps. Things that haven't historically been automatically trackable and aren't hard inting, and by that definition fall under soft inting...for now. So I'm ok with the current new things they're adding to the automated system, but wary if it goes too far.
soft inting has been going on for YEARS. and it’s sad that we finally getting a discussion about it when the player base in NA is the lowest it’s ever been. reason why i quit the game is 9/10 games someone gets petty to the point where they will stop trying to win the game because they’re upset at their own teammate for bullshit
Yeah, and the worst part is it often still ruins the game even when the problematic person is on the other team. I quit league when I was about to queue and I literally thought “I’m probably not gonna enjoy this at all, and I’ll feel empty after”. Could also be that the game in general outstayed its welcome for me, but I think the constant tantrums and soft inting didn’t help.
@@MrAlihassanein think the older i got the less time i got to play and the less games i got and that just meant that even the few games i got, every game was filled with inters on either side and there’s just no escape
@@999dawnfmpeople didn’t quit league in NA because of soft inters lmao
@@ovs4744 re read my comment
You have to double as a therapist while playing this game lmao
There’s a player I consistently run in to (I’m extremely low elo) and he always types “only I decide who wins this game” and will either 1v9 or soft int it’s so weird to see happen because he actually does it EVERY TIME I think riot needs to limit how much one singular player can negatively impact the game? Dunno if that’s possible
only at 16:00 in the video so idk if they mention this, maybe a good punishment for people "soft inting" could be to ban them from playing ranked? it could be like how CS does it where it scales from 24 hours, 3 days, a week, etc.? its just hard to really classify what "soft inting" is when people could genuinely be clueless about the game or just misplay.
The problem with this is that smurfs exist so it doesn't really stop the behavior.
New drinking game: Everytime Kobe says “These types of things” take a shot.
Edit: I died from alcohol poisoning
Hypothetically, if Riot decides to ban people for soft inting retroactively, Meteos will get banned.
Cool episode, definitely makes me want to tune in whenever the LCS is back😂
Where is the discussion on TL this past weekend????
They are pretending like EWC doesnt exist
@@TOGS355 We had TL 2-0 FNC and then take a game off SKT. This should be discussed....
@@joshuacharles7769 The tourny is too controversial, it's just not worth it
what an INSANELY good episode
Can't wait to continue getting banned by 5k dmg adcs, 3 kp junglers, and first time champ mids because I'm trying to create a competitive game against an enemy team with a team that is not competitive and die a lot because of it
No discussion on ewc? Was looking forward to them talk about tl and fly quest there.
Love how they reiterate the fact that if you’re normal, you have nothing to worry about. I’ve played over a decade and I get mad, I flame, I troll, but I’ve never gotten banned or chat restricted. It takes a lot to get you there and if you’re genuinely worried then maybe you are soft inting more than you think
Kobe being a voice of reason. There are going to be way too many false positives for soft inting bans I think
Azael has the right idea, I muted all chat back in 2012 when I first started playing and have never turned it back on since.
I agree about soft inting. It's complicated and a lot of factors go into trying to objectively identify it to hand out hardware bans. I think a good baseline is to factor in the person's historical punishments and reports they've received.
I’d listen to the dive even if LCS wasn’t a thing. I just like listening to y’all
People soft inting is what made me quit playing. Most of the time they also wouldn't surrender so you were stuck until the enemy finally decided to end the misery for you
How often would you FF a game? What percentage
That's true sometimes, but I actually think it goes the other way more often. A lot of my experience with "soft inting" is by players who want to surrender, but when their teammates disagree they stop trying to win the game (and ironically, THEY complain about being held hostage by their teammates). And often these are even in games where the enemy team has only a small advantage, not completely hopeless unwinnable ones.
@@joshuachartrand268 Id say at least 50% of my games end in an ff, whether it's mine or the enemy team. My perspective is definitely skewed because I really only play norms with friends these days, so there's no LP on the line. I'm sure that makes ff more likely.
@@rynejones8513that would be terrible because there have been many games where a team looks well behind but then manages to make a pick and take an objective once or twice and it completely swings the game back the other way
While I might acknowledge others are better, Brotato is my favorite Bullet Heaven.
The goal of Leauge is to get farm, get kills, get vision or get objectives.
A player can easily soft int by only participating in one of these tasks in a game, because they then aren't trying to bring their full value to their team and therefore make losing far more likely.
But, since they are still doing *something* they don't get banned.
Why not bring back Tribunal for those with good account standing?
ive come across more toxicity in WoW Mythic+ Dungeons than I have in League. I am also in Iron/bronze so i probably just havent seen a whole lot of inting since we are all bad lol
I wonder what percentage of soft inting is targeted, and if an anonymous mode might be useful in League.
16:55 That's Clint "Isn't league for angry people?" Stevens. That's quality
Punish Soft Inters, but what to do about a HARD INTER like Bwipo?
Did not expect Clint Stevens to be brought up here of all places lmao
If they do it at a hardware level, it will decrease the soft inters by a drastic margin. Most soft inters aren't smart enough to solve it or won't want to bother solving it. Just like when they cracked down on scripting. It decreased scripting significantly. Nothing is 100%, but any decrease at all is better than doing nothing
What if instead of banning people, each time a player soft ints they get points added to a hidden weight and the higher that weight is the more likely you are to get placed with people who also have a high weight. Slowly they'll be moved out of games with people who try and are respectful, but they can still play the game the way the want, but only with people who want to play the same toxic way. And if they have an epiphany and start to play better perhaps their number could go down and they could rejoin polite society.
That sounds good except also ban the inters
Prisoner island systems like that just don't work
i agree with azael more than kobe about the aggressiveness of punishments. if you incrementally increase punishment people adapt. if you go hard people stop BECAUSE it’s so serious.
Kobe's take on soft inting is 100% spot on. The way in which they are able to "detect" soft inting in game and roll out punishments is going to be massively important.
How the hell are you going to ban someone for soft inting, let's say in iron and bronze elo, when 99% of games play out in a constant state of non-optimal play due to players just simply not being that good?
I can foresee this system rolling out bans for a lot of these casual/normal players it's seeking to protect.
That Adc/support scenario legit happens so often as an Adc main this shit is on my last nerve and im going to jungle
I love playing ADC champs but I refuse to play a 2v2 lane it’s just too much for my teeny tiny brain and I cannot trust rando supports to be on the same page as me ever
Support perspective here. If I am buying space, winning trades, and I identify that you can’t cs in an efficient manner with a heavy advantage. I will straight up leave you in an attempt to bring my CC and vision control to a player that gives us a higher chance of winning.
@@1638whatsuphello adc main here. When my support dies level 1 to a blitzcrank hook, comes back to lane, dies level 1 to a blitzcrank hook. Comes back and dies level 2 to a blitzcrank hook while I'm level 3/level 4 and leaves, I'm not sure what space they bought me.
I wonder if in regards to the red/blue side abuse for lp gain....maybe they need to make the time penalty for dodging longer with a larger exponential growth for successive dodges per day instead of just dodges in a row. They would have to take into account people taking troll picks/summoner spells to try and force others to dodge but that could be taken into consideration with the soft inting problem.
I would only be ok with shrinking the selection time if we had more time post comp chosen to update runes. A person being last pick when you don't know what your opposing laner is playing can be very disadvantageous if you're trying to update a rune page you want. There's just a lot of variance to champ select that I think makes the current time it takes a necessary evil. League is a complex game so having the time is to the benefit. But some of my champs have up to four rune pages that work with them IE Jayce can run, First strike, phase rush, conqueror or electrocute if you're feeling spicy. And I do realize there are some champs that can actually run the same setup every game no matter what.
4 out of 21 games were soft inters that I remember from the last 2 weeks. Probably more of these were soft inting, but I didn't notice as much because it didn't affect my lane, etc.
Love that Azeal made sure to make the point of how much it sucks to go through queue time, draft, and game just to have almost an hour wasted. So frustrating. As an attorney working crazy hours and living with a partner, sometimes all I have time for is 1 game. It fucking SUCKS when that’s ruined by some a-hole soft inter. And honestly, even on those rare days where I can spend a handful of hours playing, it is still a huge shot to the gut when even just one of those hours is wasted by these people. Get em out!
as someone who doesn't usually expand my games that I play... You made me excited to at least try swarm!
I just wish Riot refunded LP when someone trolled your game and got banned for it.
I’m sorry but what’s the point of bringing on a Rioter if all they’re going to say is corporate jargon?
There is a lane phase in wild rift just maybe not quite as long
Shadow of the Erd definitely does have an ending cinematic, don’t know what Azael is saying
Meteos on the dive let's go!
15:20 Azael describing the quintessential league experience. I don't get that many hard inters either. But i get soft inter baby raging run it into opponent fight fight fight kids every single game. Its absurd and ridiculous how common it is and, as Azael stated, it makes you NOT want to play the game.
Why isn't anyone mentioning that they replaced meteos with Jensen
The comments section of any league video is wild.
As a 4 year veteran of the game now, the only reason i dont tell people to play the game is because of the insane toxicitiy in the game. Ive been told to off myself, ive been threatened with violence, ive been false reported, ive been hostaged, ive seen it all.
But then the community is always like "the games dying because the metas bad and my teamates suck!"
Nah I think everyone knows it is toxic and that's a problem. I tell my friends to play but just don't play solo. If you're in it with a friend you can make soft inter games fun if you have the right mindset and don't take everything so seriously
Banger episode! 😍 the soft inting and dodgers were the reason that made me leave the game a few months ago, i just play my 5 placement keep gold+, get skin. leave the game again, or only play aram, champ select its a torture. The last second dodge, omg, hate those guys! 😂😂
They need to ban whoever goes 10 deaths before 15min ngl
maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like for the past couple seasons, its been a way better experience in solo queue. I see much less inting and many fewer afks. I'm in high gold/low plat
Was this recorded before ESWC? Kinda shocked there was I mention of NA doing really well at that tourney.
They pretend like that tourney doesnt exist
Yooo shoutout ClintStevens
I was interested to hear what you guys thought about the World Cup
Every time meteos talks about soft inting. I think about meteos brand game the 0-25 what a game. I ran it down once and I only got to 18 before the game ended.
Do decreased champ select time for ranked games above a certain rank.
regarding blue side red side i wonder would it be better to be able to enable an option to have a wild rift mode where the red side can just be flipped to act like blue side
Never surrender. You don't get to say I'm holding you hostage when your the one soft Inting
Thank you The Dive for focusing on soft inting!!! This is such a big problem that happens *all* the time on N.A. server, about 50%+/- of ranked games it feels like. (bronze/silver in my experience)
This generally, but not always, involves someone who gives up at 5 - 10 min and then absolutely ruins the game for everyone. They may even Blame Game others for the loss.
People who do this with some level of consistency, shouldn't be allowed to play ranked in my opinion. Maybe a month ban from ranked is needed.
Double post!!!
Riot needs to ban people who show a statistically significant number of games that are soft inted over a certain number of games.
So like out of 20 games, 5 or more are soft inted could be a sign.
In determining what soft inting is, Riot should not only look at negatives such as a player with a large number of deaths. If a player is actively trying to moves for their team (meaning, gold positive plays) despite otherwise "bad performance", then they should be ok. Gold positive plays can include split pushing even though your team dies on the other side of the map.
On the other hand, farming jg at minute 20-30 instead of taking towers or team fighting could be a sign of soft inting.
As the hosts said, automating this system would be tricky though, I can imagine.
I wasn't around for league's early days, but I've heard a little about tribunal. Would something like having ur last 2 games that you got reports on be reviewed if you've received over 100 reports be similar to old tribunal?
Kobe the voice of reason
I think there should be a minimum rank for the 'soft-inting' bans. As much as I agree that this is still a thing in my Plat game, half the time I feel like people are just dumb and don't know what the 'optimal' play is lol.
With the soft inting first thing they would need to do is look at yummi the champ itself is soft inting
I feel like 90% of my games are just 20 min stomps in either directipn and it really kills the fun for me
i think in order to fix soft inting they need to innact some type of system where the soft inter either is automated or through a vote like a surrender is subject to either minus lp gains or positive lp losses. Ive had many times where a player tried their hardest to int the game and make it unwinnable but myself snd my team win the game, that soft inter gets lp for that, then that helps them climb and stay in higher ranks, if you go 3/15 and your team wins the other players should get your lp divided up and you should get none, or if you lose vice versa.
I said this before and I think its worth restating. Riot needs to provide people with immediately feedback when it detends soft inting. It should always start with a warning and a suggestion to take a break or some other reasonable alternative. Most people who are soft inting are just TILTED and need to know they've been picked up by the system to either remind them that they cant just keep running it back or to at least just take a break so they can calm down from the tilt.
So few players are hard committed to inting. They do it because in that moment they cant handle the overwhelming negative emotion and the only option they see is to play another game after to attempt to reclaim the sanity they lost, which is always a mistake for them, and it has the negative side effect of hurting the four people they have to play with next game.
Keep submitting these ideas to their open threads man, this is an ideal solution. Warnings before bans on a system like this. Imo this system is going to be best to hardware ban people that are smurfing AND running it down. People that are instantly swapping accounts after a chat restriction or a timeout.
Hot take discouraging people from playing League of Legends is a net positive on the world.
@@manashieldworld Hard agree. It's also probably a net positive for league players too lol.
Man i'd love a non League podcast from you guys, my favorite part is always the intro where you guys are talking about what you're been up to and games you're playing
Did lcs get cancelled? No games this weekend?
Has a toplaner im scared of the ‘’soft inting’’ change because if you get dove on stacked wave, you are out of the game and the enemy team can choose to dive you repeatedly and then your 0/10 and the whole team is flaming
what show matches were Kobe and Azael talking about in the intro?
I have a 10 year old starting to play. Is he going to get hardware banned (including my account) for his play. Because sometimes it looks pretty awful.
Actually very likely if he is playing on your account as that is against TOS anyway. Make sure he has his own account and as long as his deaths are from him being actually bad and not him running it down in game you're good.
@@ElReyDeNoche he has his own account, but if it is a hardware ban that it would effect me as well. Maybe running it down in iron is not a big deal.
@@jimmic888 There's a chance he could get flagged as a deranking bot. Best bet is just to talk to him and make sure he is legit trying his best. Possibly give him some sit behind coaching to fix the bad habits. That way you get some fun parent kid bonding and your hardware is safe. It's what I'm looking forward to when my daughter is old enough to game.
I also mute all chat and it's the best to combat toxic players. Once people know they can't get under you skin bc you have mute chat, then it's obvious to see who's actually inting. The standing in the same area... I agree with KOBE 100%
Soft inting happens because it’s easier to feel agency throwing the game than playing to win…
The prevalence of the behavior is a symptom of a core gameplay design issue.
Spending time trying to identify and ban the behavior is a “band aid fix” and will only result in a different mini-game to feel agency in the game.
My only concern about soft int bans is if its done poorly. Itll dtart bamning people for playing badly
Would hardware bans be used for permabanning? If so then what happens if that computer is given to someone second-hand? They’re shit out of luck?
Kobe, Meteos and Johnny Sins with another banger episode
there's no way battlerite AND legion TD2 gets a shoutout on the dive! those games are hecking awesome
I think do the blind champ select and let double champs go. Let both Corkie's slowly poke at each other all game until one of them dies because they fell asleep first while both Lucian's smash their faces against each other bot lane to get the advantage. CHAOS REIGNS
Spoiling the last boss of Elden ring dlc for me was crazy meteos
Thanks for this comment just bought it 3 days ago
SOULSTONE SURVIVORS MENTIONED!! PEAK!!
I would love to just see the win rate of top lane on red side
For the swarm mode, I feel like I'm more likely to beat it and stop playing since I know it's going away. I wonder how stuff like thar will affect their metrics.
Kobe for sure is NOT paranoid from soft int’n bans because he’s a completely above board type of stand up player…. 😂😂😂
Whats the difference between a good and a bad haircut?
2 Weeks.
HOLY Clint Stevens reference. Come back Clonk
One day, Riot just needs to rotate the entire map so the you are going left or right instead of the classic DotA style map orientation. And I second Sneaky on just detaching pick order from side.
Just do what they do in Wild Rift, which is rotate the map for red side, so both sides look like they’re playing blue side, except red side team has baron on bot and dragon on top. (They have “baron lane” and “dragon lane” instead of top and bot)
instant don't like the guy that wants to hardware ban soft inters. like its literally league of legends. he's acting like he is perfect. he's the first to be hardware banned tf. i will say this for the people in the back YOU CAN NOT FIX SOFT INTING. add voice coms, deal with it, or stop playing the game. it cannot be manually reviewed either cuz people may have different ideas of how to win league. but the minute you start making it feel like a prison then no one wants to play. HOW ABOUT WE MAKE THE GAME NOT FEEL AWFUL TO PLAY WIHEN IT HAS POTENTIAL.
Doubt Azael will see this, but I play a lot of survivors/bullet heaven games, and outside vampire survivors I played the most Soulstone Survivors. Compared to others in the genre, AoE size is totally uncappped leading to that screen clutter; make sure you turn effect transparency to like 30% and it makes it a LOT easier to see stuff. Especially if youre a summon build because those chaos golems make everything impossible to see.
ClintStevens mentioned 💪
The reality of the game, is that it takes so much to go right with things that are outside of your control in order for your team to win and even to just have a competitive game
A lot of players carry over previous results into future games so if they are on a multi game losing streak, they’re more likely to get tilted when things go wrong
All players want to win but are scarred by having great games ruined by other people
To me, riot should focus on other ways to build LP besides wins/losses
The game should be about focusing on your individual performance but riot doesn’t reward that
Hot take discouraging people from playing League of Legends is a net positive on the world.
Azael speaks the truth so many times in this video.
Imagine a gaming PC cafe having all their pcs banned from league 😂
Soft inting needs to be punished.
I sometimes get mad at my draft so I'll play kalista who I have like 27% win rate on
What is Swarm?
I play games like meteos. I like a structured game - open world almost feels like there’s too much to do