How to watch pro Dota 2 games for League Of Legends players --- The International 12 is here!
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2023
- EDIT:should have mentioned Smoke Of Deceit, a limited consumable that grants AOE Camouflage. Similar camo rules to that in League.
EDIT 2: BSJ released an amazing analysis of the formula for this patch: • This is how NA took do...
Are you a League of Legends player wondering what is going on in the Dota world? Want to watch some pro Dota 2, especially around Worlds and The International? This is the video to help you out.
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This is probably the best dota for league players video I've ever seen. Tons of information in 12 minutes. Very efficient analogies.
I feel like I have better ones, but this one is like... good for viewers I think ;)
I really want to work with Valve on an official level to welcome new players to Dota. How cool it would be to run The International New Player Stream someday! Or like.... a way to bridge the intro gap from League Of Legends.
Valve, I have a master's in CS, 2 years at amazon, 15 years dota exp... are you hiring?
If that happens u will be a good fortune upon dota 2 my friend ❤❤
keep building your channel and community bro.. u dont need to contact valve.. they will contact you.. and if they not.. iam sure big org will happily work with u
@@YudhaLeonhart @ziadahmad2440. Thank you for the kind words!
I can think of no one better for the job.
After watching a Worlds vs Ti grand final comparison, Ti is way more entertaining to watch.
yep
I think it depends on how aggressive teams at Worlds play. Some years are bored but last year was really exciting!
If u see TI grand final via true sight, yep it is more entertaining. To look how both teams plan to outscale the opponent is a pleasure to watch
@@mohamadikhwan4393 the only TI finals that has been boring asf was Tundra and Newbie matches, other than those was an all out brawl especially the Wings Gaming run.
@@TZAR_POTATO unfortunately brother, Dota is more consistent to watch. A minor tier 2 Dota tournament is more interesting than a worlds
I'm long time league player and been trying for some time to get into dota (watching rather than playing), love your content so much, makes things much easier for me
you are my target audience!
when i first started playing dota i watched alot of purge(now ex-dota pro) and later singsing (again now ex pro) purge made alot of guides and a few meme games (critstal maiden for one) and singsing is an entertaining streamer. i would suggest also checking them out purge to learn about the game and singsing if you have an ok understanding of the game
support in dota is just such a fun minigame in teamfights kiting scary as fuck carries with all the active item tools at your disposal. its just so gratifying to get to use several rounds of your spells, safe a few allies, and at the end feel like an actual hero. in league it just feels like youre a bodyguard who has to take bullets for the cores
i am a support main in dota and i enjoy it since i have so many options to do things other then sit in lane with a core. stacking, pulling, harassing, counter ganking, rune guarding you can always have a clear objective in mind.
@@slycat123123 the portal made it even better, having tp ready for countergang middle or something is so important, and now you can also rotate from sidelane to sidelane without needing to use tp cd
@@Nightknight1992 unfortunately i havent been able to properly experience the use of portals much. low playtime for past few years but i still love dota and hope to be able to enjoy playing it again.
6:17 This is my biggest gripe with LoL. The lane xp is so high priority and the map has so little going on that leaving your lane is commonly a bad idea, turning the game into laning simulator for extended periods of time.
TP scrolls also open up the map more and give coordinated plays more power.
For sure... I mean there's a reason people call top lane The Island.
Dota actually had this problem on previous Pro matches as they tend to boil down on "who is better farmed". They change it now so Kills gets more bounty and XP, even assisting on a kill as well. Ideally you want your team to group up and get a opportunistic kill. and get into teamfights as it will give you better Gold/XP over time.
However the other team will do so as well so picking team fights as an ADC is a matter of risk and reward. like
Do you have enough item to survive this teamfight. something like that
This is why I stopped playing LoL, 20 mins of farm for 5 mins of interaction is closer to a social experiment than a game.
This is only really an issue with specific champions who are incentivized to neutralize lanes. Otherwise if both players are just handshaking lane, someone or both players are doing something wrong or it’s an issue with the meta.
I'm going to TI this year, going to be my first. Looking forward to it.
We might cross paths!
Dota2's teamplay is powered by spite for everyone thats not on their team. Trust in your team and you might win unless your carry sucks harder than your girl, then it's a lose.
wow i was just thinking about wishing a video like this existed and now it’s here!
I hammered it out in like 3 days because the tournaments already began!
I discovered your channel yesterday and i love it ❤
I played ~100h of DotA2 years ago, which is way inferior to my League playtime.
However, im still curious about the game, and your videos might be the tipping point to me reinstalling DotA2.
I find that your vids are relaxing, instructive and quite fun aswell! Please keep it up ❤❤
Will do. Thank you so much for being a watcher
Love your work man. keep it up. You are super underrated.
I appreciate that!
love the video! Very refreshing to see content about lol and dota and not lol vs dota. Keep up the great work!
Much appreciated!
You actually chose a great game for the showcase, 30k lead in gold is an absolutely crushing advantage and from what i know in league, thats basically an impossible lead to overcome in lol. Am i wrong? Thats like 6 big items difference
Team Spirit has a more late game based heroes and carry, Phantom Lancer can 1 v 5 in late game. Plus the carry heroes for the Dire are way too squishy
League to dota ggold conversion is roughly 2 to 1. So it's like 15k gold lead in Lead, which yeah that's crushing. .
Dota has more comeback mechanics in general, like you can comeback from a 100k gold lead and 1 hp throne
@@peppemotto1792kinda, but i think it was more about better team fight potential for ts and them just being a stronger team. And, now that i think about it, its just meta heroes against worse heroes. On top of that, ye, all of dire cant do shit to pl late game and thats just what happend
Gold lead after 40 mins aren't definitive of who will win in Dota. At that time, it's just the question of which team drafted and played better.
Comeback in Dota is quite real. Buybacks and severely punishing death time require teams to be absolutely careful, as 1 bad fights can mean gg. The game is dynamic, fun and at time, can be unpredictable. Hope you enjoy your stay at TI this year. We've got some really brawling heroes this season too so keep checking out for actions.
i play league and my partner plays dota. we’ll probably never come to the other side but i do like watching him play with his friends sometimes. he sent me this video and it was really nice to see a breakdown of “this in league is sort of like this in dota” and “this in dota is different than in league” so i didn’t feel so overwhelmed trying to understand everything. thank u!
My pleasure. Thank you for watching my video!
Very good and informative video! Keep it up.
Nice video, good job on helping the community grow! The more people watch/play Dota the better for the game! btw. I watched you being bullied by Slacks on TI stream :D
He set me up!
Imagine how League players will feel when you start covering the Arcade, the community mod making In-game area where you can play what has been created by normal people using only the Games engine! There are a lot of Dota players that only play the Arcade, thats how awesome it is!
And the sad thing is LoL is, there used to be a thing called Project Chronoshift if i remember correctly, was a fan made retro league game from season 1 that was cancelled by Riot themselves. I never played it but it must be fun relieving past memories playing league back from season 1.
The meme edits, the variety of music (i decided to write that comment after hearing DOS2 soundtrack :P), the great script. Such a fun video (even as watched by a 2013+ dota 2 player)
Even as a vet dota player, this video was excellent! I learned/reviewed a few things!
What could you learn from this that you didn't already know though??
@@TZAR_POTATO reminders about little details that had slipped my mind like engagement range being about the length of the screen, positioning tricks, etc.
I started playing dota probably in like 2008 with DotA 1 or DotA Allstars I was there in the beta in 2012, I've been on and off on dota since 2018 since I can not stand the game anymore but this content is refreshing
I learned a lot in this video. Thank you bro!
Bro got good work for make this video, easy to learn, keep it up bro 👍🙏
It's outrageous that you don't have more subs! Great video
Give me +1, and share my vid. I'll get 5k soon!
amazingly good content as always, Sir!
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The one thing that Dota is miles better than League is those active items.
AA's ult counter Necro, but then Necro can buy BKB and Eul to counter it, but then AA can buy hex to counter the counter.
You have to make good decision and you have to spend money to "counter" people. While in League, your enemy pick Teemo into your Garen. Then no matter what you do, you still got fucked
Some champions in LoL can't even be used anymore because they were weaker than the average and the meta is too strong. The balance is laughable.
finally. after a long time of waiting a new vid is out
Absolutely beautiful. Being able to highlight the ins and outs of Dota for LoL players is always amazing, especially doing it with this little time.
Something to mention is that mobility in Dota is far less built into a hero's kit than in League, and most spells are not skillshots, but instead based on clicking the enemy directly and the spell automatically targeting them. These two in combination means positioning is THE biggest factor in how successful you will be on most heroes.
As someone who plays heroes who have neither hard crowd control nor mobility, like Undying or Warlock, my positioning makes or breaks the game most times as support.
Shoutout to the LoL nerds. Great video to help people out :)
Pro dota is fucking insane so I hope everyone enjoys watching
Me too.
Support in Dota are more free than in LoL, you move way more across the map even in lower rating. Just like a Bard or a Pyke. Support are way more agressive in general and have raw damage/heal number baked into their kit with their CC and don't need specific items apart from like Aghanim Sceptor (specific item that empowered each heroes differents, usually the ultimate).
Playing Support in dota is actually very fun, extremelly pos 4 who have a huge variety of pick and is usually the roamer of the team. My personnal favorite is Earth Shaker. You can nuke peoples with a blink dagger if they are next to a big wave of creep or a stacked jungle camp.
I made the switch from League to Dota almost 10 years ago.
I was mostly unhappy with the direction of the League Meta.. High burst and high mobility were king in season 4 onward. I told myself I'd come back if they ever changed the meta up.
I tried League again this past week -- still high burst high mobility meta. Insane
Yeah, I stopped playing LoL because of this too. I was a fan of more slow champions, like Janna and Morgana, but there was always Zed or some Akali in enemy team that no matter what I did, I always died... Dota is so much better at this and gives so much item/spell variety to defend, avoid or counter these type of burst damage
@@elrennot supports are happy with aeon disk LUL
Still lane farming simulator as well and can die under one seconds because ridiculous damage burst. Some champions can't be played anymore because the meta is too strong. War almost never happen until 20 min passed.
Id say thats it worsens with each champion release xD
Well then hmm my first experience with watching Dota tournaments i remember watching it then being like "ahh with hell am i looking at here" XD only after playing Dota i started to understand more so my advice hey Give it a try.
Anyways another great video made by Tzar potato 😂 now i know what are some roles in Dota Keep it up
I was laughing while watching this. But not because I find it ridiculous.
Anyone else have that moment when they find something so goddamn accurate that they cant help but laugh? Or when something supposedly complex is being broken down to you by your mother like it was the simplest thing in the world? Yes thats what was cracking me JAJAJA
Very truthful and well made video sir, keep it up :D
Uh, thanks! Though, I have no idea why you laughed, I hope at least you had some fun.
My problem with watching league is the in game sounds of skills during team fight. I can't differentiate the skills being casted due to skills sounds feels the same to me. Dota twitch also enabled Dota Tool Tips where you can watch the hero networth, stats, and buyback status in stream. You dont have to wait for the observer to show it in game. And that's is made by the community too, in which Valve and other TOs paid for it as a feature so that viewers can us it for free. One thing I like about Dota Esports is the anticipation before engaging to fight. Smoke plays and wrap around gameplay in Rosh Pit area. High Ground Defend. And trying to gain vision before going to clash. They also let us know about unique stats achieve by the pro like fastest roshan killed. But the great thing about Dota Esports especially now is that 112 unique heroes already picked during Group Stage. That how depth and diverse the game is.
I am working on something something, about the sound design in the games... shhh, it might be some months before it's ready though.
@@TZAR_POTATO looking forward for it.
ooh boy let this boy cook! and i believe that no other mobas come close with dota sound design especially ECHO SLAM!! fuck i came every tiem@@TZAR_POTATO
@@TZAR_POTATO The sound design of spells in Dota 2 is really great. Noticeable sound with high impact for high impact spells (Reverse Polarity, Ravage, Blackhole) and items(BKB, Satanic, Linken).
Even smoke has a great sound feedback, mysterious/sneaky BGM when you are under smoke, and when the smoke pops, there is a clear BGM indicator that feels like "The jig is up".
All esports are fun to watch especially if you understand, thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a nice work!, Would you mind to make a video talking amd comparing the damage apart on both games? It could include attack speed, magic damage, armor, magic resistance etc.
Edit: I do this question because I feel that dota 2 has a lot more damage in mid late game from heroes like alchemist, troll warlord terrorblade etc, than in league which it could do the game more diffcult for new players, I'm trying to compare this kind of things by basic stats and simple maths, like the attack speed in both games, the most of cases i use to feel that dota 2 has insane attack speed and damage on a lot of heroes, which in league the damage is more from spells. I think it could be an interesting video and could help new players to understand each other the games.
Also the castors good casting skills when putplayed moment or op dodging moves
Well done on all the bits man iconic dota stuff man the intro the blue stell blink scenes just all good content man, been playing dota for 16 years and lol for like 9 months but just play aram hahahaha all mid lets fight
Much appreciated
Woderful video, thank you for making it!
Thank you for watching it!
Hey I love your riddle on TI good job
Excellent music choice. Massive Attack is massively underrated.
Is it underrated? I feel like it's pretty loved!
nice, new vids from the emperor potato
Hope you enjoy!
영어 ㄹㅇ 하나도 모르고 할 줄도 모르는데 개인적으로 굉장히 좋은 영상이네요 굿~
20대 중반이지만 ㄹㅇ 도타2 열심히 하고 게임 많이하면서 프로 도전하고싶지만 재능+나이 두개 때문에 포기 해야겠네요 흑흑....
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프로팀이 없는 한국 게임의 문제점은 언어장벽인 것 같아요. 도타 프로에 진출한 한국인들은 대부분 영어를 잘해서 도움이 많이 됩니다. MVP Phoenix만 오늘날에도 살아 있다면 T1은 큰 이름을 얻는 대신 완전한 한국 Dota 팀을 구성했어야 했습니다. 한국 선수들에게 많은 도움이 될 것 같습니다. MVP Phoenix 선수의 대부분은 이제 코치입니다. 현재 프로로 활약하는 한국인은 단 2명이다. 코르단과 두부.
Omg hes back lets gooo!!!
I've been lazy sorry! Going on a trip soon, so next one will be in like... a month?
Miss playing dota as Pos4/5 😢
I really like the utility items, heroes with complexity, team fight with skill synergies.
Initiates damn miss that
Few notes:
1. Attack Damage Carry (ADC) is inaccurate because some carries build magical damage only.
2. You always type "gg ez" after you win.
3. The role of each hero is not certain. Most heroes can be played as multiple roles.
4. Blink and BKB are not as overpowered as you think. Sometimes you don't buy them (e.g., some heroes have BKB and blink as their skills, sometimes you prioritize other things like damage).
For a league players is imba
Magic imune and cc cause their champs often get burst of magic
And blink dagger for the league is spell that have long cooldown with a short range
@@rezarifaldi6617 yes but blink in LoL is free (actually it costs real money, right?) In Dota, you have to pay 2250 gold, which is a lot.
yeah, but apc doesnt roll off the tongue quite as well as adc
"adc" is close enough to be useful, most pos 1s can be accurately described as "attack damage carries" anyway, with a few exceptions like Spectre (who gets a lot of her damage from dispersion/blademail/radiance, but still rightclicks hard enough) and some meta-specific weirdos like pos1 Pudge
There is a reason why BKB keep getting a constant nerf up till the point its cheap 3950 gold for MAGIC and CC immune its your 2nd prioritized item for carry so not calling BKB is imba or broken is...kinda showed you where you are
P.S : yes i do know the current state of BKB is fucked up no more magic immune only CC immune with debt system where if you get stunned after your bkb done if the status are there you have to pay the rest of the stun duration
dota pro play is so much better thn league it's crazy that people even bother with league
One is easier to understand than other, theres so much VFX going on I have really hard time understanding whats going on
And yet the game is dying. This elitism really is pathetic.
@@ratas258 yeah, can't watch lol due to how many quick, flashy, similarly sounding spells there are
@@Midaspl likewise, dota
@@ratas258 Well... Nope. Dota has pretty unique sound and visuals for each spell. Lol rehashes same 'swoosh' sound dozens of times...
Good video but especially in TI the lanes are not SET they way you describe it. Teams can just switch top/ bottom when they think it’s beneficial, they can do a triple lane, normally you have a roamer that doesn’t have a set lane at all and there can be dual mid, like Tiny/Io or Gyro/Io in the past. Know some lol players and they also have problems understanding that landing. In lol it’s way more set, in dota aswell but mostly in low skill games. That’s why I wanted to mention it because in TI especially it’s very likely the lanes are not set.
Hi from Brazil, good job! 😄
Thank you for enjoying my riddle!
Bro, what song are you using starting around 50 seconds? Is it from Ghost in the Shell? It sounds so familiar, but I can't think of where exactly I heard it from before.
I can chime in! It's Massive Attack's song Teardrop :)
@@Marcus_will_son Oh shit thanks, it's the opening for House!
You need see the video Against the Odds, the best history of an esport team for me
thanks, as league player i need this
That's why I made it
ive always wanted to on some level get a bit into HoN but i was never able to to find a solid introduction into the game
Heroes in Dota sometimes don't have to follow their roles, you will often see carry being hard support and hard support being carry
true tigral
It also can use as bait.
u just described my ranked experience!
Buyback cost depends on players networth, it can cost 3-4K gold if your hero is packed with expensive artifacts. Support buybacks are the cheapest since they don't get much farm.
amazing video
Ty ty, I try my best!
i remember watching beginner friendly commentaries of some DOTA match from the official TI channel long ago and thought that it was very cool but they stopped doing it. I wonder if theres something similar nowaday
You should watch streamers like SingSing and Gorgc to follow tournaments rather than the officials channels, they are always chill with pro/ex-pros/high MMR players giving insights at a followable pace compared to shoutcasting in official channels
The reason casters pertain to positions as numbers is because the numbers signify their farm priority. 1 being the most prioritized and given space while 5 being the least and expected to be poor all throughout the match.
As a support mains, I can confirm. yeah DotA clash will often hunting the backline heroes like supports.
Their abilities is quite independent from item. Not many spell power items in DotA to farm. Making them dont need to farm, and their disables is already late game level even at early game. Many of supports skill is flashy and game changing, erase them first and you wont have to see those nasty stuff used on you. No items also means no durability, means easier to quickly deleted from the map. Easy to dispatch and dangerous to be left alone, those makes support as huge targets.
We saw how Ancient Apparition (the icy support hero in this video, the one that buys back) often get killed first, since he is one of potent hero with nasty skill sets. Disables, fast cooldown slows, AoE DoT, regen/heal nullify, global range, and instakilling ult. He also dies fast, almost instantly.
ADC in DotA is like a clean up and sweeper for the battle leftovers. All the battle usually revolve in the correct initiation and proper spell piling on a correct targets. Also all the match is about visibility which usually provided or negated by supports.
Supports also have the most fun gameplay in the game, IMO. Here is why:
- Since no need to farm, they basically the strongest heroes in the game for the first 10 minutes. All matches goes into minute 10.
- Some farming intensive ultra ADC might start their fun at minute 30, but us the supports already brawl at MINUS 10 second. Not all matches goes late game, coz Rush tactic meta.
- Supports role usually buys the strongest items in the game. Wards, Sentries, Smokes, and Dusts. Which is cool and respectable by average standard. Its easier to be MVP as support.
- Support get less blame in bad matches. Poor initiation usually Offlaners fault. Bad roaming and bad playmaking usually Midlaners fault. Bad farm and poor lategame usually Safelaner fault. These lesser blaming games is saving huge mental health for the players.
- The fact that "All Role" (more like "Huge chance become Support" Role) giving +30 MMR instead of +25, is a huge plus.
*im ancient at dotes and plat at league im prettty great at both games and respect how their gameplay works league in 2013 until now and dotes since 2008-2019 coz i quit*
ooc but as someone who play lol recently, maybe im missing something but the comeback mechanic feels non existence in that game. building are so easy to destroy in lol, im not gonna pretend that you cant shred buildings in seconds in dota but that only happen if you play specific heroes that main mechanic is to destroy building fast. in lol i feel like every single heroes can destroy building in sec in late game. this feels so bad especially because of the fact that you cant buyback in lol. defense mechanic base is also so limited in lol, in dota you have glyph, highground mechanic, trees to hide inside your base, tp scrolls, random buildings behind barracks so enemy creeps dont directly attack your ancient/base after destroying tower and barracks (those extra seconds can be crucial). lastly small things like attack range and cast range that can be super massive in dota , bigger map so make thing easier to flank enemy when they push, spells like hook and skewer that can bring enemies to your fountain.
Another things u need to spot, in dota theres no focused carry, the whole core (mid/carry/offlane) can carry the game. Unlike league mostly the carry who brings the win for the team is adc. Thats why beside saying as pos1-5 theres also said as core / support.
Sorry for bad english.
Mostly true but don't forget that in Dota the supports can also carrying the game. Once I was using Rubick 4, the enemy picked Enigma. We were losing the game and they about to go high ground, and my team being the usesless bunch they are. They group up and you guessed it, the Enigma blink and drop the Blackhole killing my mid and offlane. But I managed to steal the Blackhole and counter them with my Carry and pos 5. And after that we made a comeback.
Dota is such a complex game but holy shit it's really fun
@@Coram.Deo. yea a witch doctor can turn the fight with totem aghs
Worth to mention. In Dota you loose gold when you die, thats why it can be worth showing up 5 players and kill them, to delay that big item. Like some heroes you know save up early for a 3400 gold sword. having 3300 gold in bank and see a team collapse on you is painful.
Yup, thats about a 3 minute setback.
Holy fuck this video is so well made omg omg
Thank you! I'm rather small on the platform and I appreciate your view!
On the whole a good comprehensive video that covers most of the bigger concepts in simple ways that league players will be able to quickly understand. Although I'm sure some comments will give you shit for saying supports are the highest priority targets in teamfights, that's a lot easier for someone unfamiliar to quickly understand than something like:
"the highest priority target in teamfights will be whichever heroes have strong utility and teamfight skills balanced against how easy that hero is to burst before they can get their spells off as well as whether any other heroes have abilities that can save their teammates, except when there is a glass cannon type hero that constitutes a large enough percentage of the team's damage to require immediate focusing, but also accounting for any positioning errors made and how easy it is for each team to reach and focus priority targets"
which is arguably more accurate, but is needlessly confusing and most of the time just equates to "try and kill the supports asap" anyways.
What I would add to it, though, is more about map control and Roshan since those are such integral parts of almost every pro game. I don't think I've ever seen a game of pro league where one team takes almost complete control of the map and chokes the other team out of farm for minutes on end in order to accumulate enough of a lead to successfully force high ground, yet that's something that happens very frequently in pro dota. And the late game roshan items, refresher shard and aghs, can sometimes be just as important as the aegis for gaining enough advantage to take high ground. Plus I don't think you mentioned that sometimes rosh is just used as a bait to force a turtling team out of their base to fight, which sometimes ends up being more important than the rosh items themselves.
Granted, I haven't watched all that much pro league, cause I always end up getting bored after a few games when I try and get into it. Way too much nothing happening and nowhere near enough strategy involved. Hell, my favorite part of a pro dota game is the draft, while the league draft puts me to sleep. At least in dota when there is a low kill game the casters will talk about what each team's line-up is playing for and what item timings they are likely to play around. I know league has less of that, but even then I feel like casters are more focused on trying to hype up the absolutely nothing happening (a hard job they attempt admirably) than do in-depth analysis of what little strategy and macro plays are going on.
Yup, always kill supports first. They are easy to kill and would make fights easier if they are dead. Good supports though keep skill and hiding.
Holy shit, do all Dota players have brain cancer? Reading this shit gives people Ebola. If your brain cannot comprehend what is happening in League of Legends then that is the fault of your parents inbreeding, not LoL. I guess it's no coincidence that Dota players cannot even get basic grammar right. Dota players be like: RTS so easy, only press button, not like Dota, RTS so easy I sleep. While League of Legends, Starcraft 2 and the like are Hyper Competitive games where every micro second matters and is of greatest importance. League of Legends players are toxic and I guess Dota players had somebody shart in their head instead of a brain. Even Rock-Paper-Scissors has many complexities that I guess not everybody has the mental abilities of comprehending. When somebody cannot understand a Hyper Competitive game like League of Legends or Starcraft 2 that is a self tell that they have a shart brain. And I don't want any of that on my clothes.
What are the songs used in the video?
I will told about offlaner, Offlaner is not tank because Dota not have tank role like LoL. In dota we have more a lot of positions in game maybe tank is carry or mid. Not all in carry in this game, core player can do carry together or sometimes supports can do carry item too if they can for help make some more damage for team.
Wow great content, now i want the opposite make me curious haha
You and me both!
Following up the video, if you are a league player or a new player and is trying out dota, please dont queue pvp immediately. Try the guide first, then play vs computer, and then when you think you have your 1. Hero, 2. Gameplan, 3. Mental, ready, you can finally try the pvp game.
Very well done video.
How bout a video about "how to watch worlds for dota players"?
Eventually! It's way WAY harder to collect footage from LoL because there's basically no way to get in game replays of pro games... like...at all.
Ngl you should rebrand this into a full on guide for league->Dota because (as a league player for 2 years now that converted to dota this week) i learnt more from this video than any other guide.
More than my actual guide video?!
@@TZAR_POTATO kinda, you explain dota to league players like we're children who've never touched mobas in our life in your actual guide. Here we're able to translate what we actually know from league into dota.
@@Bringpos in that case, I'll keep the current video names. Thanks for the feedback.
thanks
The problem for worlds for me is that the first 5 mins to 15 mins is so damn boring hahaha everyone farming only nothing really going on in the map until the support landed a stun. Not enough macro gameplay in the game. I really try to have fun watching it but its too stagnant at times.
I like watching with a friend, but less so solo. Dota though, oooooh yeeeeaaah the endorphins.
Omg i am used to writing gg in lol after a win so yesterday i was in front of the enemy aincient, almost dead and as a good manner i type gg in all chat and i almost ff by accident
“My home.”
Then proceeds to roast Seattle. 😂😂😂
i do say "my precious city of debauchery "
When you live in Seattle long enough, you will learn to hate it.
t. Seattleite
I mean... it's been a while for me, still love it though. @@btfo420
One correction is support aren't high priority, its the opposite. Carry are prioritize, the reason why AA is being out in the open is a trade off of being the first contact against the enemy through vision and spell resources being used. Like you said a buyback can be used, but a support bb is less resources intensive as its calculated by hero level. Position 1-3 will be always highest priority and depending on team composition losing one can destroy the team combo spells.
Found the 2k.
@@alZiiHardstylez oh no
@@alZiiHardstylez HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a burn, i mean you're not wrong...
@TimeManInJail A good support player will fck up your team thats why support should be priority but if you play low mmr people in low mmr doesnt care on support even winning all they want to do is killing more heroes.
Tbh, it's not like that the support heroes are a priority. It's more like prioritizing which hero has the most annoying skill, then those has to get rid of quickly.
If by comparison, the one who show on the vision first were PL, then i doubt SR would make a move at all. They would still try to find AA, phoenix or ES and quickly kill them as those heroes will be annoying if the fight goes on as full team.
But yeah, sometimes some support are not a priority in a team fight such as NP, weaver, treant and other because their CC skill is limited or because they need items to utilize their role.
Tzar post a video, I watch it.
Simple.
TY for being a fan
I've been playing League for 10 years now and while I haven't really tried Dota, I've been watching TI every year since 2015 when EG won. Every time though I'm left with one single thought, "I'm never complaining about champion balance or wombo combos ever again!". Also, are the average Dota games SUPPOSED to be near an hour or more long or is that just a case of teams at TI being even with each other?
They are generally much shorter, but this year something happened with the meta that made them pretty long. Also, they lowered the gold per lane creep quite a bit in the lategame.
hope this helps a lot of people
Me too...
man idk why but dota pro scene is so much better. i cant get invested in leagues pro scene to save my life. but i think dota is the better spectator sport like star craft. so much fun watching how the best of the best clash
I fee you.
does anyone know the title of the song at 0:50 timestamp
7:35 I need that meme. Whats it called?
Try to search "Zoolander meme"
First ❤❤
Can you make video for dota player to watch worlds 2023?, cuz after watching worlds 2022 grand final it make me want to watch world 2023 from start to finish
Maybe someone else will make it for both of us to watch?
Honestly, league's spectator/replay mode is so bad, it would be such a chore to collect footage :(
you should also note that components dont get stronger when you combine them like in league
what ? all the strong Dota items are made from combining various components
@@pa1ntedhe means the stats are still almost the same. For BKB, the stats are still basically atk and Str from Mithril Hammer and Ogre axe as component.
@@Doflaminguard it really depends on the item.
what is the 1:30 music?
Wait is the triple safe meta just not a thing anymore? I vividly remember back like 10 years ago the core was always in safe with double support
yes
Tri laning is quite bad for the supports that scales the early game through damage skills.
Is stacking camps a bit broken?
Broken, in the same sense as farming lane creeps is broken. It's not overpowered any more than other gold sources are. After all, supports have to spend a lot of time to stack camps up to x4, x5, x6 sizes... and then, the camp becomes so hard to kill that it turns into a small team objective, requiring multiple heroes to clear it. Enemy teams can also find stacks and steal them. In the video, Arteezy, the Templar Assassin (The guy with a Chinese name, on the pink dire ADC) actually dies while stealing an enemy stack, thus thieving away lots of gold and exp)
It backfires if your cores cant kill it. Enemy can also steal that stacks by invading.
Tried playing league a few games but all the cool looking characters were behind a paywall so i never got really into it. Not sure if thats the case these days.
Still the case.
Champ price nowadays is based off of relative champion difficulty. You start off the game with enough currency to buy at least like 10 champs, way more than that if you are going for the cheap ones.
Man it's tripping me out that you're using the track from divinity 2 and teardrop from Massive attack i was literally listening to them just before watching this video
great minds like the same music... or something like that...
SUPER NICE VIDEO, but you missed top lane it should be offlane - safe lane. not safe lane - safe lane
Oh did I misspell it? aww
Very informative, I suggest doing the opposite. I also want to learn how to watch LoL competitively this worlds.
I dont think I will make such a video. The system by which replays work is so janky! But maybe...
x2
nice memes XD
Ty ty 😊
Bro why the only up speedrun song
...the what?
It's very funny to hear that the power of a full team is stronger than Dota than in League because it wasn't always the case. Like 8 years ago heroes were much weaker in general so spreading out and farming was much more important. It had cool strategic implications like split pushing being very strong. It was kind of a meme that league players would braindead run around the map as 5 but dota ended up going in that direction.
? new skills doesn't mean overpowered
As a league player like actual addict.. I always thought Dota 2 is slower in terms in average match.
Average matches are longer since its not easy to push into enemy bases. Unless the game was a stomp and the enemy already called GG early.
Yeah, dota matches are slower, and the moment to moment combat is also much slower. Fights will last a full minute in dota sometimes!
watch tundra games, and you will be annoyed how they can extend the game by pulling your creepwave away using couriers. without creepwave near tundras base, their buildings have backdoor pprotection. with backdoor protection you cant damage buildings
here i am, a dota player watching this vid
Enjoy!
Are you gonna attend the main stage?
no plans yet, maybe valve will invite me?
mmice
rats
My real problem with worlds is that you watch players that farm for 30 minute to only then fight for 5 .
Dunno why the meta is to farm that much since the very beginning of lol but they never change it .
It’s just the way the gold works. A kills is only worth 300g unless the player has some sort of streak going. So that’s like two waves or so I believe and you’re missing that for sure just leaving to tank somewhere and if you yourself don’t get the kill it feels like crap half the time.
Now Ti Prizepool Dropped so hard sadge 😢
Pros suggested it and they get what they want.
@@Doflaminguard 😢😢
I played dota for the last 10 years... Why am i watching this?
Did you like the vid? I mean, not the target audience but in you know....