Daredevil: Is the Ben Affleck Version Underrated?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- 2003’s Daredevil opened with a lot of hype. The buzz leading up to the film suggested it would be a gritty take on the character that writer-director Mark Steven Johnson promised would live up to some of the more famous runs from the comic, with Joe Quesada’s take from Guardian Devil a particular influence. Yet, fans were wary, especially when Ben Affleck was cast in the lead.
All that said, in the lead-up to the film, word began to leak out that Affleck was actually great in the part, with early reports praising his chemistry with co-star Jennifer Garner, who played Elektra, and who Affleck would later marry. Yet, when the movie came out, many fans were left scratching their heads, with Elektra doing martial arts to Evanescence and Affleck’s weird leather jumpsuit not matching their dark and edgy vision promised.
In the end, the film was slain by critics and fans, with even Affleck himself eventually disowning it. However, it still grossed enough money to lead to an Elektra spin-off for Garner, which would ultimately be considered one of the worst superhero movies ever, and finally, put this franchise out of its misery.
While Daredevil’s R-rated director’s cut has its fans, many agree that the definitive Daredevil remains the Charlie Cox version, who’s on his way back to screens with the Marvel Phase 6 project Daredevil: Born Again recently announced. To celebrate that news, let’s look back at the 2003 Ben Affleck version and see if it's as bad as everyone remembers. This episode of Marvel Revisited is written, narrated and edited by Kier Gomes, and produced by Adam Walton. Do you have a soft spot for Daredevil (2003)? Let us know in the comments!
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It's amazing how Daredevil shows you how a black actor got the role of Kingpin not because of diversity. Because the late great Michael Clarke Duncan was a awesome actor who nailed the audition
So I guess that any time a black actor gets casted in an originally white role these days, it's always "MUH DIVERSITY!!", even if the actor is good and nails the character
@@NobleRaider2747 Course it's diversity. If a Asian actor was cast as Black Panther the Woke leftists won't say because that's racist. A Spanish actress is playing Marilyn Monroe and James Franco is playing Fidel Castro. See how some things don't change in Hollywood and some things do change because the Woke leftists says it's racist having a white American actress playing Marilyn Monroe but it's ok for a white American actor to play Castro
@@NobleRaider2747 These Woke leftists wants segregation when it comes to voice actors. Black voice actors must only voice black characters. Asian voice actors must only voice Asian characters etc
@@NobleRaider2747 absolutely, because the right can't think past hate.
@@leejohnstone4663 you lost me the moment you started saying "woke leftists"
The director's cut was so much better than the theatrical release of "DD" (2003) in terms of both length & story and should've been the version seen on the big screen back then !
Truth
100% agree and it should have been mentioned here.... it clears up all the change is atmosphere/light v dark tones.... It's a dark film and works very well that way
absolutely!
Totally, the person at Marvel that was incharge at the time, I forget his name, and good riddance, but I remember he made the decision to cut the movie down, and we ended up with the steam pile of the theatrical release. You watch the director's cut of the movie, and its almost a completely different movie. It actually has heart, you love who you love and you hate who you hate. Even the side stories like that of Coolio's character. Just build up the narrative to "Who is Matt Murdoc." To rip it out like they did in the theatrical cut, after seeing the director's cut realize just how much of a gaping whole it leaves.
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My thoughts EXACTLY ! We... as a result... were robbed of a direct sequel to "DAREDEVIL" (2003) ! And... because of the incompetence of the idiot(s) who decided to butcher the film... the general audience will (forever more) have a low opinion of Ben Affleck's DAREDEVIL and all ! Talk about sabotage !
Michael Clarke Duncan's king pin is just amazing, he does a masterful job of being both the street brauler and social elite. He's constantly imposing, rip
The director's cut fixed a lot of problems. I'm not saying directors should have their way all the time, but I can't see why studios don't let better edits of the movie come out instead of the theatrical ones which aren't as good. The best version of the movie possible should always come out
Hiring a director then letting 'suits' with no direct cinematic experience hack it to bits is a little like hiring Michaelangelo to do your interior design then changing all his suggestions because the boss said so
money
Absolutely, the director's cut is so much better than the chopped up mess that was the theatrical version.
I'll have to check it out.
Studios should be held to EXTREMELY high standards before meddling with a directors wishes for the cut.
Almost every big intervention ended up making the result almost unwatchable...
As much as I love Vincent D'Onofrio's version of the Kingpin in the MCU show, I think Michael Clarke Duncan's performance as the character is so underrated.
#RIPSEXXYCHOCOLATE #MichaelClarkeDuncan
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Very true
Physically yes, you simply cannot have a human actor more embody the power that is old tubby himself the Kingpin, and the only race swapping an a White actor that hasn't bothered me as a cheap and lazy attempt.
But mentally and spiritually? He stinks. He lacks none of the intellect or brooding nature within the genius that is Wilson Fisk. He comes across one dimensional and slow Why I dont do comic live action, you can never capture as effectively as what a good artist cannot
Yeah, he actually exudes menace and power. D'Onofrio plays him as a man child, and just looks like an obese old man. Not solid muscle.
Wow. How sad! I can't believe you didn't mention the director's cut. Which many found to be a massive improvement
Considering they cut out the Coolio subplot that actually ties the whole thing together.
@@mainstreetsaint36 Exactly.
The Director's Cut is the best version, but the theatrical version was fine. Michael Clarke Duncan and Colin Farrell were the best parts of this movie in my opinion.
Michael Clarke Duncan is/was a legend
I agree, I’ve always thought that
I think Collin Farrel was the worst part of the movie to be honest
Yeah but Jennifer Garner as Elektra is terrible.
But shes really hot in that movie so it kinda works out
The movie is rated. Neither under or over. Some portrayals were done well. As far as the dark approach from the franchise? Today it would be considered a breath of fresh air in this genre. Worthy of Affleck doing another for the character with much better refinement with todays tech.
this movie is certainty a movie
Get Affleck a modern 3D body scan & a fabric-plate armor by today's tech & he'd still be a great DD.
Ben was willing to suit back up to play Batman (he doesn't get proper kudos for that either). I'd bet he'd be up for it. Not slamming Charlie Cox. HE does a PHENOMENAL job in the series! But he also had an extended period to completely flesh out his take on Hornhead. TV series & movies are (mostly, if one completely buys into the Franchise U approach) different beasts. Episodic storytelling gives one the ability to learn about the role & find new, interesting ways of portraying a role.
KINGPIN actually made his first live action appearance in 1989 "The Trial of the incredible Hulk" film. Played by John Rhys-Davies.
Good TV movie 👍
it was also Daredevil's first live action appearance as well
@@marlonclark1896 you speak the truth.
One minor thing: Michael Clarke Duncan's Kingpin isn't the first live-action Kingpin. First big-screen adaptation, yes, but John Rhys-Davies played the character in the The Trial of the Incredible Hulk TV movie. That said, I've always liked Duncan's portrayal of the character.
The Directors cut wasn’t a bad film. I actually still have it on DVD and remember watching it a lot of times
I felt the Ben version wasn't to shabby. It wasn't up to the stands or modern day superhero movies, but I liked it when I saw it many years ago. It was no Spider-Man 2, but it was entertaining and Ben did good in the role. It doesn't hold up per se, but is still good for popcorn fun.
I loved the daredevil movie until the TV show came along and blew it away by comparison but it was great for its time.
The directors cut of this film is absolutely underrated as shit. More Coolio is never a bad thing 💯👌 R.I.P. 🙏
You're forgetting about 1989's , "The Trial of the Incredible Hulk". That was Daredevil's first onscreen appearance, as far as I know.
Yep with the badass black suit. I liked that performance even better than affleck
@@TheVioletBunny That was when I found my deep appreciation of him. Also the first time I heard about, "Hell's Kitchen", I'll never forget that.
Hey the funniest part is this guy covered the trial of the hulk and didn’t even mention that in this …
ruclips.net/video/jU15KNV-3r4/видео.html
Same with Kingpin. John Rhys Davies played him in it first.
Ben Affleck's DAREDEVIL is so underrated, in my honest opinion. I enjoyed the movie. When the Director's Cut was released on DVD, I enjoyed it even more. It is the preferred version when I watch the movie again.
Just as Vincent D'Onofrio is the definitive Kingpin now, Michael Clarke Duncan was perfect as Wilson Fisk aka The Kingpin.
#RestInPeace Michael Clarke Duncan.
That playground fight definitely ranks up there with the basketball scene in Catwoman in terms of totally goofy ways to set up a superhero romance in what should otherwise be a dark and gritty film.
That was a low point for me in this flick!🤦🏻♂️🤣
Lol hes attacking a woman and shes fighting a blind guy. its cute ;P
I think '80s erotic thrillers did that better. 🤣😅😂🥰😍🤩😘😛
@@andrewboteler7522they meet, they hit it off, they hit each other, typical superhero love story stuff haha
I love this film. The director's cut that is. I will always defend Ben Affleck as Daredevil/Matt Murdock.
It was bland and booooooring a snore fest.😴😴😴😴💩💩💩💩
@@markusforsberg6741 go watch your Mcu and dceu flix white edgelord.
While everyone was freaking out when Ben was announced as Batman, I thought of this movie and his performance and was like, '...yeah, ok. I can see it'
@@Shawn4815162342 Still better than what MCU did to the character. They turned him into a joke and a goofball.
For what it was back in the day, I really enjoyed the Director's Cut of this film. I knew nothing of the character so went with it. The spin-off of Electra though......oh dear!!
Now we've had the Netflix version......I actually can't bring myself to watch the Ben Affleck version.
As Electra Jennifer showed all the emotions from A-C: bemused, befuddled or constipated. 🤢🤣
For me if you removed the park scene (aka the studio mandated Matrix style fight from every 2000's film), I really have no complaints about the Director's Cut. A few minor issues here and here (Elektra's performance could be better, the rubberman cgi) but imo it's a pretty good origin film. I truely believe if this version was released in cinemas we'd have had an Affleck Daredevil trilogy before hitting 2010.
I think they rushed Electras storyline just to have Jennifer in it for fight scenes as quickly as possible, given she was still in Alias at the time, seemed they wanted to show off her skills to fighting as well as emotional acting aka her crying ability
They forgot to give her a character tho, that’s why as much as I love her, Jennifer fell a bit flat in it
There was an earlier live action Daredevil - The Trial of the Incredible Hulk in 1989.
Kind of off topic, but Ben Affleck did a phenomenal job as Batman/Bruce Wayne. (All the dceu actors did great) He may not be the best to do it, but I would definitely rank him in the top 5 best actors to do it. The problem was the poor writing for the DC movies. People only hated on Ben Affleck because it was trendy to do so.
I think it was trendy to hate on him during Daredevil because people were so tired of that whole Bennifer thing (Lopez not Garner). I think it cast a shadow over the whole movie.
Completely agree. I think Afflecks Batman was a solid performance and would take it over the Kilmer and Clooney Batman any day of the week.
He’s actually one of my favorites, and probably my favorite looking version of Batman with his costume and overall imposing physique. I felt like he had a nice arc after watching snyder’s justice league.
@@mightymochi6320 as much as I enjoyed Robert Pattinson’s Batman, it’s truly a shame we never got the solo Ben Affleck Batman movie first
Phenomenal? What made him that?
My main problem with "Ben-Devil" is the no-killing aspect of the character is perhaps even more sacred than Batman's, as his Catholic faith is a major character trait.
1.He doesnt actually kill in the movie, he was under no obligation to rescue that guy.
2.In the comics he kills plenty. Hes not Punisher but will kill if necessary.
I love the Marvel movies of the 2000s
FACT CHECK: The first ever live-action Kingpin was John Rhys-Davies in The Trial of the Incredible Hulk (1989), which also introduced the first ever live-action Daredevil.
Ben Affleck Was A Phenomenal Daredevil And The Best Batman
Yes it is. It was trashed in reviews, but it was really good. And had an awesome soundtrack.
What isn't trashed in reviews nowadays? Especially in "genre movies" like Scifi or Superheroes the critics LOVE to show how "sophisticated" they are by trampling on every meter of celluloid that comes before them.
TBH, I think it should be standard practice that when an actor (or writer, director, costume/set designer, etc.) takes on a project involving an existing property (comic, book, cartoon, etc.) they should consume the existing media of it to get a better idea about the character.
Be interested to see JoBlo do a WTF cover of Elektra.
I love daredevil director’s cut it’s in my top 12 favorite comic book movies
I've always liked this movie since it first came out.. some parts i love..it's not a classic but i love Ben Affleck in pretty much everything and i think he did a job in this movie..so did Michael Clarke Duncan...it's a lot better than most give it credit for
How do you guys always do this? You somehow always get me to rethink movies and actors I'd written off. I'm happy you do it, but always surpised.
Bullseye did not kill the old woman on the plane, in either version. If you pay attention, you can hear her snoring when the stewardess comes around.
The director's cut felt more like a real movie with a heart in the form of the wronged man. The theatrical cut was just a series of music videos. And what kind of lawyer was Matt? He was prosecuting and then was a civil lawyer? Huh? And why not just adapt Man without Fear? Hell, the Daredevil adventure in Trial of the Incredible Hulk was a better paced and informative story-AND THAT FILM HAD DD AS A SIDE CHARACTER!!! And finally, Jack Kirby was NOT a DD creator! Bill Everett was the artist who co-created DD.
Love the collector edition probably one of my favourite pre MCU films. Kind of a poor man’s Spider-Man hoped for a sequel but alas only got Electra but overall a very good first try, thank god for the series with Coxx though,great video Cheers!
Michael Clarke Duncan was kingpin. There isn’t another actor more perfect for a role then this. RIP mr Duncan.
The music score alone makes it a great movie
I love the Netflix version of Kingpin just like everyone, but I have always thought Michael Clarke Duncan have the definitive performance of the character. He’s so easy to hate, so fun to watch, and so much more physically intimidating than the Netflix version. You actually get scared of his presence in a room. One of the few things this movie does better than the modern iteration of Daredevil, IMO.
Affleck DIDN'T play Superman, he played George Reeves
I know it is mostly hated, but I like the original Daredevil and Electra. I think the notorious fight scene was fun.
"I'm not the bad guy." Had so much meaning in this movie, what he says to Kingpin at the end of their fight. JoBlo doesn't talk about it but part of the film you see that Daredevil has leaned more to the devil side viciously beating a criminal, only to realize that he was doing this infront of that man's son. Later after that scene Matt is standing in the rain looking down saying. "I'm not the bad Guy." As if trying to remind himself even that he is the hero. But this life has taken its toll on him, and he has to wonder. "Am I the bad guy?"
You watch the story through, and it comes back at the end when he decides that he Might Judge and Jury, but he will not be an Executioner anymore. With the last full line to Kingpin. "I'm not the the bad guy. Court's Adjourned." He throws down Kingpin's cane, and to me with a sound reminiscent of a gavel being hammered at the end of Court Proceeding from the Judge.
The coffee swap still makes me laugh 20 years later lmao it's just so mean and hilarious.
Netflix was the best place for daredevil. Disney is gonna make a watered down pg-13 version. Not to mention the same thing is gonna happen to Blade. Some marvel properties should not be in disney hands if you ask me.
None of them should be. Marvel Studios with distribution by Paramount were doing fine. Imagine the behemoth they would be today without Disney. They could release whatever rating film they wished so could cover the more adult characters without watering them down. Disney got Marvel for a steal at £4 billion.
Disney is a s-hole now. They don't care about making good films, only pandering and it is and will be their downfall. They're already seeing poor returns on Marvel properties and getting mediocre reviews on new content.
I gave up watching Marvel after Endgame. I have Blade 1 and 2 on bluray and I can always watch the first 3 phases whenever I want.
The Ben Affleck version is underhated
I remember watching this and being totally disappointed with the fight between Daredevil and Kingpin. It felt too short and Kingpin went down too fast, I thought. He was supposed to be the big baddie but Bullseye's fights were better making Kingpin seem to be an also ran as a villain. Other than that, thought it was a good popcorn movie.
The tonal changes as far as battle tactics being dancing or rage makes sense. After the first fight elektra stated her father had her train with a different sensei every year after she turned 5.
I love Daredevil 2003, it's my favorite.
I loved the director’s cut.
Loved it. Perfectly cast. Cane out a little after Rami's Spiderman, but this was much more dark and gritty. I had a lot of fun with this film
I’m surprised The Trial of the Incredible Hulk was never mentioned.
John Rhys-Davies played the first live action Kingpin in The Trial of the Incredible Hulk
Throwing a blunt object that far to impale some through the chest would take superhuman strength.
The first live action Daredevil was in the movie with Lou Ferigno and Bill Bixby "The Trial of the Incredible Hulk" Daredevil is played by Rex Smith.
Despite all the hate this film gets, I like pretty much everything about it except everything concerning Bullseye.
Yeah, Bullseye should have been more like "Godfather meets Saw".
Now I want the DC multiverse of "Batman vs Superman; Oops, all Affleck!" of the entire Justice League played by Ben Affleck.
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Ironic how he called this movie humiliating. “Hello, darkness, my old friend…”
Ang Lee's Hulk is underrated
Thanks alot for the content lately y'all been picking great stuff to cover all around lately great job everyone that works on these
Agreed, the director cut filled in charactersand the story . The opening fight scene was quite good 👍🏽
I recently rewatches Daredevil for the first time in years and it was a lot better than I remembered. There’s the obvious 2000s cheese (which admittedly as I get older I kind of love as I have nostalgia for that period) but it’s got some great stuff going for it, Ben is great, the action is superb and I love how dark it gets at times. It’s definitely best to watch the directors cut.
Lest we forget, that the soundtrack led by Evanescence was the probably the biggest hit of the film. Oh the the days that when a film broke the $100 million sales barrier the considered a hit, seems so antiquated by modern standards now.
16:18 - "witnessing".... poor choice of words
I've _always_ felt this was HIGHLY underrated & misunderstood. To this day, I still haven't seen the 'Director's Cut,' though. Is it *really* the _'better'_ version?
Yes. At least from what I remember, because it has been a while.
Anyone that watched it will usually tell you it's better than the theatrical cut. I won't spoil too much. The directors cut has scenes with Matt Murdock trying to solve a case which wasn't in the theatrical cut.
@@jaspermcminnis5538 I see. Now that you mention it, I believe I saw bits & pieces of the Director’s Cut a while ago. I’m gonna be tracking it down now.
Director’s Cut >>>>>>>> Theatrical Cut
This was not the first live action outing. 1989 "The Trial of the Incredible Hulk" was and It was awesome for the time.
Every dark superhero movie basically turns the lights off.
Great episode but this was not the first live action outing of Daredevil that was the 1989 tv film The Trial of the Incredible Hulk
They should bring back Colin Farrell as Bullseye with Deadpool
as they have lots of crazy hijinx together
...And give him a "bloody costume," like his comic book version!
I always liked it, and Im a DC fan for transparency. I got the blue ray of The Directors Cut which I like more and is my go to version now.
I don't understand all the Hate. Great Costume, Great Kingpin, Goofy fun Villains, Rockin Soundtrack... Ben can't catch a break
Blade 1 and 2, x-men spiderman and daredevil will always have special place in my heart bekuhz they were the first comic book movies that I saw and loved growing up
No matter what Ben Affleck Daredevil was amazing and I'm enjoying to. Watching it. Because without Ben Affleck Daredevil movie we will never saw the best of Charlie Cox Daredevil series. 😌🙌❤️🙌
Both the Blade series and DareDevil really set the standard for superhero films today. Without these early iterations, we would never have had Avengers, so I like to give credit where credit is due. This movie is just fine!
John Rhys-Davies was the first live action Kingpin. Rex Smith was the first LA Daredevil. It's called Wikipedia. Use it.
THE GREAT MICHAEL CLARK DUNCAN🎬🎥💐
Nicely done. Great delivery. Thank you.
You are technocally wrong. The 1st live action movie kingpin was in trial of the incredible hulk in the 80s
@6:47 "its cringe but some peas in the stew" 🤣😂
13:46 bullseye's arrival, lol. I totally forgot about that scene, made my day
I would had loved seeing Penelope Cruz as Electra in this.
Before I say this, let me say that I’m enjoying the video very much. That said, this isn’t the first live action showing of daredevil as he appeared years earlier before this film as part of the bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno, Siri‘s, the Incredible Hulk in the TV movie “trial of the Incredible Hulk.“ There, Matt Murdock was played by Rick Smith. And the kingpin was actually played by, the dude that played Sala in the Indiana Jones movies.
Is the Ben Affleck version of Daredevil underrated?
No. It's still awful. There, I saved you all twenty minutes.
Who greenlit this?
Wow! This review really made me want to check the movie out despite all the negative reviews I heard everywhere for so long! It really seems very intriguing!
I think John Rhys-Davies was the First live action Kingpin in the Hulk-Daredevil Movie in the 80's🤔
This movie is one of those were you have to accept it's style to like it. It's both cool and silly at the same time, and it works great for me. There's a lot of cool shots throughout the movie and the action is awesome. Something they really understood with the Directors Cut as most, if not all, action scenes are longer and more exciting. The Director's cut has so much more substance aswell, so if you are not watching that, why even bother?
I love this movie and it made Daredevil my favorite Super Hero as a kid. Still doesn't compare to the great Netflix series, but it's a fun watch.
WOW.This was a very GOOD review of a mediocre film,learned a lot.It made 179 million dollars ???? Had a planned sequel ??? Didn't know any of these things,I saw this film when it came out ( I'm a HUGE DD fan ) I was very disappointed. Affleck has come a LONG way as an actor/director since this time ( 2003) I have both versions of DD movies,the director's cut I don't remember very well ( it's been some time since I've last seen it )This was a nostalgic ride for me,enjoyed it.
If you are an unadulterated and *UNAPOLOGETIC* lover of all things that are the late 80s/early 90s *"pathos & ethos"* tragedy fueled Frank Miller DD run, then you absolutely love the DIRECTORS CUT with a great subplot featuring an innocent murderer played by a wonderfully incompetent COOLIO...
It really is a fun and entertaining snapshot of that period in comics
Good video
Too bad that Affleck guy didn't return to superhero movies lol
The Director's Cut smoothed out the tonal issues and created a more cohesive viewing experience. Affleck was good, but he makes a better Batman.
dont care what people say about this movies. This movies is awesome!
6:36 early 2000s soundtracks were great, I miss those
I enjoyed this and added it to my bluray collection. The inner city grittiness, and Bullseye & Fisk were awesome villans. Plus we get Elektra with a montage ft Evanessence!
Vincent D'Onofrio was suprisingly great as Kingpin - my problem with his performance was always his voice however. It wasn't as powerfull as Duncan's voice by a longshot. In fact his voice made him sound week at some moments (yeah, followed by his outburst of rage - so in the end he was more menacing then Duncan, I know). Still, Duncan's performance is more near to the comics for me.
With Donofrio I kind of just pity him and have to pretend he's strong. With Duncan I feared him, and you can just feel his oversized muscles ripping through the screen.
Yes it’s very underrated, there are so many awesome scenes in this movie, and the playlist ? Spot on !
I remember liking it this movie when it came out, but then again I was 14
The Director's is probably one of my favorite CBM.
Just finished this movie last night for the first time since I was like 10, dope review, I'm glad I came across it. If you haven't done Hulk (2003) yet you definitely should
I can’t believe Aj Soprano bullied a young daredevil. Idk where he learned this behavior from 🤔
Like many others I felt the Director's Cut was far superior to the Theatrical edit and adored the playful scenes as well as the dramatic tone.
I always enjoyed this film, it's not perfect but it's nowhere near as bad as everyone make it up to be.
Also, the director's cut is the only version to watch.
This video actually features the theatrical version, which I recommend to stay away from. It's not good.
This movie is more Of Its Time than anything else. I understand the observations of weird tonal shifts, but they don't bother me. Comic books do that sometimes.