3:40 They drive through each stage in a civilian car and write down the schedule. The schedule includes turns, jumps and everything to watch out for. That's all. They only drive at racing speed during the actual race. They have to know where and how much to brake the first time. So it's true that sometimes some of the stages are driven twice during the entire competition, so they already know during the second drive. But before the first one, they only have a schedule that they write down themselves. each crew for themselves. Then they just get information from the team's weather spotters about whether it's raining and the like for the choice of tires.
This Schedule that they make is more commonly known in rallying circles as the Pace Notes. As for the flames coming from the exhausts, they force a lot of fuel through those engines, and not all of it gets burned in the cylinders, so the excess gets forced into the exhaust system, which of course is very hot, which ignites the fuel, resulting in the flames that you see.
There was a time when some international rally's were driven blind. Many rally's in the UK are either driven blind or use what we call tulips which are notes of the route. I used to compete in road rally's where the route was not released until 1 hour before the start, or blind. That tested the drivers.
We are here for your reaction so your talking is fine, as is going back to watch again. We like to see you just as impressed/amazed as we are. We particularly like that you pause to amplify your reaction or ask a question and you don't interrupt to try to pretend you know all about the activity - many other do the latter.
11:42 - Those ‘explosions’ are caused by unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust system. This is usually due to the engines running ‘rich’ - whereby the ratio of fuel-to-air has a higher amount of fuel than is usually combusted as part of a ‘stock’ internal combustion engine. It’s essentially an unintended consequence of the fuel-air mixture that the car has been set up for, and the explosion itself offers no performance ‘boost’ or anything like that. But it still looks and sounds cool.
Yes, that is one thing, but in this case it was anti-lag system. If someone doesn't know what it is: after letting of the throttle fuel is still injected to the ignition chamber to keep turbocharger spooling. Reaction for pushing throttle again with anti-lag is instant so you don't lose any time in race.
I think it's more due to the engine tuning. It's pushed to the extreme in terms of ignition advance. So some of the combustion is done with the valves open.
One thing I was told long ago that we all could learn from rally drivers, and other racing drivers is to always STEER as long as the car is moving. No matter if it's airborne, tumbling around, spinning, or whatever it's doing, always try to have your hand on the steering wheel and steer. As long as the car hasn't stopped completely, you may still have a chance to influence where the car is going.
To answer your question about the conditions and turns etc. The Co driver reads the "pace notes" to the driver which tells the driver when to slow, how to turn and the conditions etc. The pace notes are very important. They can be adjusted on a daily basis, according to the weather and road conditions etc.
Following the comment before, the recce allows the co pilot to note rocks or tree stumps on bends or corners so you might hear them say "dont cut" which tells the driver not to get to close to the edge. So 3 left dont cut means medium left, hazard inside. 👍
Images from modern rallies or lower racing categories highlight just how skilled Group B drivers were, given that they raced cars with far less grip on the road and navigated courses surrounded by much larger crowds
Experience. A lot of it. It's actually a team sport. The co-driver/navigator reads notes to the driver, throughout the course. Usually, corner direction (left/right), corner type, speed, etc. Jumps, change of surface and/or conditions (wet/dry/gravel/sand) ... and so on and so forth.
Some iconic cars there. For me the ice/snow drivers are masters. I could watch them forever. My ex boss used to drive these and he said 'practice' was high speed driving, narrow country lanes and dirt tracks at night with your lights off.
Yes it was good footage of the art of rally driving. There are those out there who reckon rally drivers are the best drivers on the planet, and I do tend to go along with that, though there are a lot of great drivers in other categories.
I have done about everything in rallying. Driver, co-driver, mekanic, Marshall and spectator. To be good at every surface and condition, you need a lot of experience and a natural talent. Its when it extremely slippery that you see who has got that. And yes rally spectators are mostly crazy 😅. I have in the action. Pushing a rallycar back on the road, when other cars are racing by.
6:29 Drivers get a feel for surface conditions, as well as making educated guesses, given their knowledge and experience. You pretty much never take any 2 corners the same way. On low grip surfaces, most of the steering is done through weight transfer and application of power - if you look closely, they keep the front wheels pretty much straight as they go through hairpins, because the steering for the corner has been done before they even entered into it.
Me [watching this, every 15 seconds]: “Concentrate Samir!! Samir… You’re breaking the car! You need to listen to me Samir! Triple Caution, Samir! TRIPLE CAUTION!!”
A quick hello from Ajaccio, the country of Napoleon Bonaparte, where I have attended many rallies. For the passages on the "specials", they officially have one or two passages at normal speed, like all drivers, to adjust the notes on the turns and possible modifications to the route.
In response of your question, they just don't practice in the course before the race. They have to be directed by their co-pilots, giving them indications about type of terrain, closer or open curve, interior or exterior. Just watch any rally championship
Thankfully these days serious injuries are rare, and death veey rare. While the cars look like road cars, rhe safty cells are up there with indy, nascar, F1. Sideways in to a tree or mutiply rolls and drivers are ok. Saftey really became a big thing durig the 80's, and has been one of the biggest areas the sport had advanced in.
Such an interesting fact, this "Russian car" is a licensed production of the Italian Fiat 124. It is no secret that the USSR bought a license from Fiat. In Poland, a more luxurious version called Fiat 125 p was produced under license. Both cars had the same floor pan
@smiechuwarte-qt8pn vaz-2101, 2103, 2104 was made with help of fiat. This car was either vaz-2105 ot 2107. It is a further (last) modification of fiat-based platform.
5:50 they drive on asphalt/paved roads, gravel, mud and snowed on gravel roads, which are pretty much all public infrastructure usually. Also, these rally cars have a very high safety requirement, so deaths in crazy crashes are almost impossible.
I forget which rally driver it was, but Top Gear did a bit with James May where they tried to Rally in a 2 tonne Bentley (with James as co-driver) and James very solemnly asks, when talking about him giving the course notes, "What if we do....crash" and the Driver deadpan says to him "First, I'll check to see if you're alive, then I'll ask you to apologize (for getting the course notes wrong)". That clip of them crashing, and the Driver's first instinct was to try and get the car running again, just really reminded me of that for some reason 😂
7:14- those fences are double-edged swords, both literally and metaphorically. On the one hand they provide some feeling of safety while they keep you separated from cliffs and things like that. But while that is true, provided their toughness, on the other hand their ends are so sharp that they can literally work as swords, been particularly dangerous for bike and motorbike raiders. More than one got some limb amputated because of them. Seriously, they should do something to make them less dangerous, by making their ends blunter.
About weather conditions. You just have to learn how to drive them. You can go to schools and learn techniques but then you just have to practice, practice, practice. Note ... sideways is a braking procedure. My basic technique ... brake and start a rotating slide entering the corner. So I turn before the corner apex. Coming out of the corner I want to be headed straight down the road making the straight as long as possible. Sideways after the apex is slow. Of course, sometimes it just happens. Some of the corners you thought were good were less than best. Sideways is slow. Some of these scenes were not races but demonstrations for the fans. Lots of spinning tires and rev limiter pops. The flames out the exhaust are build up of fuel. Often from anti lag systems for turbo chargers where fuel is fed into the turbo to keep it spinning. Some spectators think they are participants. When driving I treat them like rocks in the road. Try to avoid but once in a while you hit one. Just kidding. Hitting someone is my nightmare. Luckily we don't have these huge crowds in the US.
6:38 It is automatic, depending the grip you have. If it is wet, you adapt quickly to that. It is more like how you apply break than picking breaking points. Again, it depends on the grip you have, automatic, the break is more aggressive if you feel the grip is low. I do not do rally, but I am a simracer and I tried karts on wet and dry.
All three surfaces have to be learned...and you left out gravel. Experience, a superlative navigator and reflexes like a rattlesnake on crack are all you need. This is real racing at the top end. A suggestion, look up and watch anything with Sebastian Loeb in it. World's best for years now. He also does Paris-Dakar. They don't actually run Paris to Dakar any more because the terrorists finally got to be too much of a problem.... Paris-Dakar makes Baja look like a Sunday romp. And the support trucks have to be _fast._
The WRC rally is a series of races like Rally Italy and Rally France, Rally Finland and so on… The events are mostly driven in the same area of certain country and the tracks are usually the same to previous seasons, they alter some sections every season but in all tracks stay the same, so best rally drivers know most of the road, they have a introduction drive trough the track to make notes of the whole track and especially the changes from previous season… but they pretty much know the track, even though they are masters of driving and they are familiar with the track they still need a copilot/navigator to make the best time they are capable of.
When it comes to tinkering you can set up the best rally cars i loads of wayl. You got tyers for all kind of gripp, from strudded, to gravel and eaven slicks. You also set the tyers air pressure to preforme as good as possible. Then you got the pre loade suspention that you can set to push down the tyers rubber in holes or at other places that the rubber might loose contact wit the surface. If you hit a curve the tyers won't be lifted from the surface as much as it would without the preloaded suspention. The same gos for transmission and brakes. So there is a lot of tinkering done to the better cars in rally. You can set them up as much as a F1 car in many ways.
the Hungarian white Lada at 15:00 with a zero number, the car running in front of the field, they don't officially measure the time, they typically drive for the public, here for example it must have had winter tyres on it, which can be driven spectacularly because it's very slippery,,, not very fast :D the 60km/hour is typically an urban limit, obviously on a closed road it doesn't matter
It should be noted that the recon drive is at leagel speeds, and often the day before. So on dirt and gravel espicaly what postion you run can completly change the state of the surface as can any rain. The drivers drive to their co drivers notes. If the co driver on the recon driver has noted. "Flat left cut in to 4 right" Driver has their foot flat to the floor in to the left cutting on to the grass/edge and eases up for the right. Even if its a blind corner they go in fully commited and fully trusting their co driver. It really is a sport of trust and understanding of skills between them. Because thr co driver had to know exactly what the driver is capable of as he writes the pace notes, and remember as he writes them that he will be sitting in yhe car next to the guy who has tomfollow them 😊
There is an interview with a french pilot breaking down the difference between asphalt, dirt and snow on youtube. Don't have it at hand sadly but pretty sure you can find it. And don't worry those cars are the safest cars ever. The way they are strapped in those cars, you could throw them off a cliff and they'd come unscathed...
11:28 Those lil fires/pops aren't boosters are anything like that. The easiest way to explain it is as my dad explained to me as a child, and the more immature you are, the easier it is to remember. A car, or combustion, engine works on one simple premise. ""Suck, squeeze, bang and blow". Fuel enters the cylinder by being sucked in, it then gets compressed, or squeezed, and then ignited, hence the bang which lifts the piston again which draws in more fuel to repeat it. And the blow is the exhaust. Now, if you don't have enough fuel entering the cylinder, you're missing out on power, and if too much is entering the cylinder, that's called "running rich". If too much fuel enters the cylinder, not all of it can be burnt off in the time it takes to bang and blow, so it's still burning when it leaves the exhaust. Hence the lil fiery pops!
My father ran many years the morocco´s rallye with a Fiat 850 sports coupé in the 80s. One of the most hardest rallye for the cars and the pilots. About the insane public we europeans are in this way. You should watch football soccer, basket ball, hand ball fans in Europe.
Some of the top rally drivers are from Finland. Been over there several times on business and have a few Finnish friends. Good dudes, but they can take batsh!t crazy to a whole different level. No surprise that they love Rallying and drive like freakin' maniacs.
On first drive, the driver reads the turns and other info to the co-driver, who is making notes in his book, based on system they agreed to use. This is repeated on 2nd drive, when co-driver is making remarks and fixing what was wrongfully marked in first drive. They have to follow "speed limits" so they are not allowed to practice any of the stages. Notes are also allowed to be corrected before the race if the team is using a "front car". Usually the notes are also corrected after the stage mainly for two reasons: next season or cause typically some stages are driven two times during the same rally (opposite directions). Tyres/wheels have also a huge role and how they are "set up" especially for mixed conditions, weather, surface...etc. The total number of tyres is limited and they can only carry two tyres within the car. And the rules are changing every year.
11:34 so the working principle of engines is that they have 4 how do i say it, four strokes: intake, compression expansion( combustion) and exhaust. So these combustions are result of excess fuel( when the fuel doesn't burn completely in 3rd stroke[combustion]) going out of the cilinder and burning(exploding) inside of the exhaust pipe
the engine block came off when the impact happens and got pushed back in the car by the barrier, until the spin spit it out again. The winter-tires might have some spikes added or the frozen tarmac is just as slippy as the hard snow.
You are not allowed to practice on the actual competition routes in the rally. Car testing is also usually done somewhere else, than at the fast pits of rallies. But you can familiarize yourself with the route in advance and make notes. From these notes, the co-driver then tells the driver what is coming ahead, whether there is a bend coming and in which direction and what kind of bend it is, or if there is, for example, a jump and what kind of jump and the distance to it. Also, if, for example, a jump should be run in the middle or one of the two sides, that can usually be found in the notes as well. And it's always a big help if the same driver pair has driven a certain rally in the previous year or sometime before, because at least some of the fast laps are at least for the most part the same every year, so you can use previous notes as a basis for your notes. For example, in the World Rally Championship, most of the rallies are the same year after year. Of course, a fast track can always change or they can be driven in a different direction sometimes, in which case, of course, you have to make possibly even completely new notes. Rally cars in themselves are relatively safe for the driver and co-driver. More often in rallies, you hear of dead spectators, on whom a rally car has derailed for one reason or another. And those derailments are not always caused by the driver's driving error or the fact that the co-driver accidentally gave wrong information about the road, but for example a rock thrown onto the road by the car in front can easily throw the car off the road even at the speeds that rally cars drive. Of course, sometimes drivers or co-drivers also die.
In snow, the speed practically does not slow down compared to a gravel road, because rally cars use tires specially made for snowy conditions, with a large number of spike-like steel studs. However, these tires are not good for icy asphalt surfaces, because the studs easily come off on this surface. So, as far as I can tell, these surfaces have their own tires In the rain and on wet surfaces, you may have to slow down a bit and drive more carefully.
Those flames coming out of the exhaust aren't intentional per se. It's a product of less restrictive exhaust systems and agressive engine mapping that leads to excess fuel igniting on the tip of the exhaust as it mixes again with oxygen while hot from the exhaust. Other reasons is ALS (Anti-Lag System), often used in turbocharged cars. It ignites fuel when off throtle to keep the turbo spooled, so when you hit the gas again you have inmediate power. This often leads to even more excess fuel, so it leaves the hot exhaust and combusts when mixed with oxygen. ALS or not, turbocharged cars often spir more flames than NA cars due to running rich on fuel, as the turbo can bring so much air when spooled, but it's not constant, so there are moments when more fuel than air is injected and that's the excess fuel that exits through the exhaust.
When you suddenly accelerate in a car with a turbo you get turbo lag the flames are a result of the anti lag system in the car to counter that lag and get quicker acceleration.
Wasn't just the block ripped out, it was the whole motor and transmission ripped out. The guy running out to flag down the next car probably stopped a fatality
OK so the weather and conditions driving and grip question. In the dry they use slick tyres with no "tread" it is actually all tread just no cuts or grooves. In the cold they use softer compound tyres and in hot conditions they use harder compound tyres... They also need to get hot to work which is also why they use different compounds of tyres and those tyres will last one or two stages in some cases so a set of tyres can be done in less than 100 miles. In the wet they use softer compound tyres with cut grooves to help disperse water and moisture as well as the groves helping heat the tyre up due to how the rubber around the cuts is flexing creating its own heat too. These tyres can offer as much if not more grip than your own cars tyres in the dry! On snow and ice they use narrow tyres to cut into the snow and they can also use studded tyres to cut into icy roads too. They get used to these tyres with experience and lots of practice so the driver has a feel for grip as he is driving and adjusts how he drives based on what he can see as well as feel through the car. The drivers use racing harnesses to hold them tight into the seat and this does help them feel what the car is doing too. My time racing Karts we used seats with almost zero padding and would be fitted to your body size to hold you tightly into the kart so you do get much much more feel than if the seat allowed your body to move around. We also used slick and rain tyres and even changing tyre pressures 2 or 3 PSi would make a massive difference to how the tyres would heat up and how they would grip too... The flames.. This is one of two things.. One is in a car without a turbo the engine is provided a small amount of fuel even when the throttle is fully closed when braking so that fuel can ignite in the red hot exhaust as soon as the throttle is opened. This is done so the driver never has a point where he applies the throttle and the injectors need to catch up to how his foot applies the throttle. Normal road cars are not as responsive or rev as highly but if you close the throttle in you road car then hit full throttle there is a momentary delay. They do not want this delay... Two is in turbo charged engines it is called anti lag. It is done a number of ways but the most dramatic way used to be in the Group B era where there was a small fuel injector and a spark plug in the exhaust system near the turbo. They would inject some fuel and make the spark plug fire quickly to burn this fuel if they added a very small amount of air through the system then the turbo would keep spinning at full speed like a small jet turbine. So when the driver opened the throttle again he would have full turbo boost. Now this would produce flames going into a corner on the group B cars and some very impressive flames too.. The more modern system does a similar thing to number 1 allowing the injectors to keep adding fuel and the hot exhaust would allow it to combust. But they would try to insulate the exhaust to help retain as much heat as possible to allow this fuel to combust. But modern anti lag systems lack that machine gun sound of the older much wilder Group B Anti Lag Systems. Sorry for the long post, I was in motorsport for over 20 years from club racing to F1 including WRC as an engineer with a company that made parts for every level of motorsport. I also used to race bikes and Karts..
Generally fire and pops from the exhaust are usually just unburnt fuel on engine brake getting ignited by the glowing red hot turbo, combined with almost no mufflers it gets exposed, so it is more of a side effect, not adding any power at all (but it looks and sounds cool). However exhaust fire and pops can be intentional during a launch to make the turbo spin up faster and to build boost pressure at lower rpms, but this is only used for launch, and/or a method of overcome the fact that you use a too large turbo that could not spin up by the normal exhaust gasses in a timely manner.
At least at the professional levels, rally racing is amazingly safe. At the WRC, there's only be 3 fatalities in the last 30 years. The Isle of Man TT (probably the deadliest sport event) rarely has 3 or more deaths almost every single year.
Flames in exhaust is because of the super hot exhaust and unburned fuel that go's to the exhaust (rally cars are adjusted mo rich because of the continius full throtlle and quick change in throtlle so there is unburned fuel going thru the exhaust
I've driven at 130mph on a long straight road and had to slow down because the brain just doesn't function that fast! These speeds, on these roads, in these conditions?!
You asked a question early on in the video Connor about how much practice rally drivers are allowed on rally route, the answer is NONE they arent allowed to study the route at all, that is why there is ALWAYS two people in the car, the first obviously is the driver, but his " passenger" has an active role too he/she is called a navigator in this Country and is just as important as the driver, (some other Countries and stupid TV commentators call them the "co" driver which is a misnomer as he NEVER gets to drive !) and has maps and pace notes out at all times and studies the route inch by inch in real time on the map relaying to the driver what bends are coming up, what corners, what hill crests they could become airborn on, where they could bottom out in a dip etc and keeps up a running commentary to the driver throughout the entire event telling him such things as what speed he ought to be doing how far away the next corner is, which way it turns what speed he can take it at and so on, most navigators inform the driver of the severity of a corner in terms of compass degrees e,g ninety left tight, or forty left open, flat over brow means cane it even though you cant see over a hill because it is safe on the other side, an example of this in action is at 10.30 in the video showing a navigator screaming instructions second by second to the driver. One thing that really does boil my pee is when some call it a rally "race" it isnt a race at all its a TIME TRIAL where you have to go from A to B at an average of thirty miles an hour and are timed on it.........the problem for the crew starts when you realise that they ALSO have to go through checkpoints at C, D,.E. and F FIRST, hence the hurry up bit, but the answer to your question is no the driver DOESNT get to practice. the fire you see coming out of the exhaust on that Escort Cosworth is unburnt fuel igniting after a deceleration from full boost in the exhaust pipes
Basically in rally, you have traction only on asphalt, only drifting otherwise, so in wet conditions its just full drifting lol rallye drivers are the best in the world
The difference between an 80's Stratos, maxxed out 3.8 liter naturally aspirated rally beast, & a modern 4 wheel drive, twin turbo, almost auto drive - 900HP - satnav pos unfailed H'wood 3rd gen missed opportunity C Actor.. Just joking.. I guess it's close.. minus the 4w drive..
These rally drivers start their careers as children in amateur children's races. For example, Pole Robert Kubica started driving karts at the age of 6.
3:51 they run a recce before the rally usually in a modified road car, also speeds are limited on the recce. On that they will tell the co-driver what pace notes they want for each corner but other than that they won’t see the track again until they drive it flat out on the actual rally
exhaust explosions are un-burnt fuel getting threw the engine and combusting with air on exit. they are run pretty rich (more fuel to air ratio than normal) because they don't have to worry about efficiency in the rules of this sport.
I have been a rally co driver reading out the notes for a driver and it’s probably a big difference for the driver i have race experience but not not in rally but I’d assume it’s the driver would have the same reaction but its different in single seaters then rally so honestly couldn’t tell you how much earlier it is
Stop apologising for stopping and commenting... send people who complain to the original video. You're MEANT to be 'reacting'! And your comments are always interesting, insightful, funny or at least thoughtful.
You're not a wimp. You underestimate however the amount of beer that flows since the previous day these footages were taken. Back where I'm from, the major rally events took thousands to go camping in the mountains for the whole weekend. A lot of beer consumed. It's like a festival. People get crazy. Plus the engine noise echoing through the valleys from miles away is 'scientifically proven' to pump more testosterone through your veins.
What tyres are those? None of the parts on those cars are commercially available - everything is specially made and designed for the events. A WRC rally car costs about $1 million USD and running a typical season is about $10m a year - a pittance compared to formula 1. Before the budget caps, top F1 teams like Ferrari and Mercedes were spending about $700 million per season to compete.
3:40 They drive through each stage in a civilian car and write down the schedule. The schedule includes turns, jumps and everything to watch out for. That's all. They only drive at racing speed during the actual race. They have to know where and how much to brake the first time. So it's true that sometimes some of the stages are driven twice during the entire competition, so they already know during the second drive. But before the first one, they only have a schedule that they write down themselves. each crew for themselves. Then they just get information from the team's weather spotters about whether it's raining and the like for the choice of tires.
It depends on the rally. In some cases, the teams are given stage notes, but in WRC, they drive the stages themselves.
@@akyhne Yes, that's true. Sometimes they get the schedule. But definitely not always.
This Schedule that they make is more commonly known in rallying circles as the Pace Notes. As for the flames coming from the exhausts, they force a lot of fuel through those engines, and not all of it gets burned in the cylinders, so the excess gets forced into the exhaust system, which of course is very hot, which ignites the fuel, resulting in the flames that you see.
@@paulsnowdon5210 It's called an anti-lag system to keep the turbos spinning.
There was a time when some international rally's were driven blind. Many rally's in the UK are either driven blind or use what we call tulips which are notes of the route. I used to compete in road rally's where the route was not released until 1 hour before the start, or blind. That tested the drivers.
We are here for your reaction so your talking is fine, as is going back to watch again. We like to see you just as impressed/amazed as we are. We particularly like that you pause to amplify your reaction or ask a question and you don't interrupt to try to pretend you know all about the activity - many other do the latter.
11:42 - Those ‘explosions’ are caused by unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust system. This is usually due to the engines running ‘rich’ - whereby the ratio of fuel-to-air has a higher amount of fuel than is usually combusted as part of a ‘stock’ internal combustion engine.
It’s essentially an unintended consequence of the fuel-air mixture that the car has been set up for, and the explosion itself offers no performance ‘boost’ or anything like that.
But it still looks and sounds cool.
Wasn’t that the anti-lag system?
Yes, that is one thing, but in this case it was anti-lag system. If someone doesn't know what it is: after letting of the throttle fuel is still injected to the ignition chamber to keep turbocharger spooling. Reaction for pushing throttle again with anti-lag is instant so you don't lose any time in race.
Ah cool, I stand corrected. Thanks for the info folks. 😊👌🏼
I think it's more due to the engine tuning. It's pushed to the extreme in terms of ignition advance. So some of the combustion is done with the valves open.
@@mateuszprzybylski5489 Can I make one little point, rally cars don't 'race'. It might sound trivial, but race cars race, rally cars do not.
One thing I was told long ago that we all could learn from rally drivers, and other racing drivers is to always STEER as long as the car is moving. No matter if it's airborne, tumbling around, spinning, or whatever it's doing, always try to have your hand on the steering wheel and steer. As long as the car hasn't stopped completely, you may still have a chance to influence where the car is going.
To answer your question about the conditions and turns etc. The Co driver reads the "pace notes" to the driver which tells the driver when to slow, how to turn and the conditions etc. The pace notes are very important. They can be adjusted on a daily basis, according to the weather and road conditions etc.
Following the comment before, the recce allows the co pilot to note rocks or tree stumps on bends or corners so you might hear them say "dont cut" which tells the driver not to get to close to the edge. So 3 left dont cut means medium left, hazard inside. 👍
Images from modern rallies or lower racing categories highlight just how skilled Group B drivers were, given that they raced cars with far less grip on the road and navigated courses surrounded by much larger crowds
8:25 The "insane" guy, is an official, who has to stop the car. But he should have done it a bit differently.
8:08 happens in Italy. The Viewers say È il motore = this is the engine
Experience. A lot of it. It's actually a team sport. The co-driver/navigator reads notes to the driver, throughout the course. Usually, corner direction (left/right), corner type, speed, etc. Jumps, change of surface and/or conditions (wet/dry/gravel/sand) ... and so on and so forth.
Some iconic cars there. For me the ice/snow drivers are masters. I could watch them forever. My ex boss used to drive these and he said 'practice' was high speed driving, narrow country lanes and dirt tracks at night with your lights off.
Yes it was good footage of the art of rally driving. There are those out there who reckon rally drivers are the best drivers on the planet, and I do tend to go along with that, though there are a lot of great drivers in other categories.
You..."guys I don't wanna watch someone die".
You.... Rewind immediately and lets have another look!! 😂😂👍🏻
I noticed that also! hah
I have done about everything in rallying. Driver, co-driver, mekanic, Marshall and spectator. To be good at every surface and condition, you need a lot of experience and a natural talent. Its when it extremely slippery that you see who has got that.
And yes rally spectators are mostly crazy 😅. I have in the action. Pushing a rallycar back on the road, when other cars are racing by.
Your reaction video... there's no such thing as "pausing too much"... people complaining about that should just watch the original
6:29 Drivers get a feel for surface conditions, as well as making educated guesses, given their knowledge and experience. You pretty much never take any 2 corners the same way. On low grip surfaces, most of the steering is done through weight transfer and application of power - if you look closely, they keep the front wheels pretty much straight as they go through hairpins, because the steering for the corner has been done before they even entered into it.
Me [watching this, every 15 seconds]: “Concentrate Samir!! Samir… You’re breaking the car! You need to listen to me Samir! Triple Caution, Samir! TRIPLE CAUTION!!”
A quick hello from Ajaccio, the country of Napoleon Bonaparte, where I have attended many rallies. For the passages on the "specials", they officially have one or two passages at normal speed, like all drivers, to adjust the notes on the turns and possible modifications to the route.
In response of your question, they just don't practice in the course before the race. They have to be directed by their co-pilots, giving them indications about type of terrain, closer or open curve, interior or exterior. Just watch any rally championship
Thankfully these days serious injuries are rare, and death veey rare. While the cars look like road cars, rhe safty cells are up there with indy, nascar, F1.
Sideways in to a tree or mutiply rolls and drivers are ok.
Saftey really became a big thing durig the 80's, and has been one of the biggest areas the sport had advanced in.
The white car at 14:22 (by the 60 km sign) is a Lada, and old Russian car. I had 3 of those cars through time. I wish mine was this fast.
Such an interesting fact, this "Russian car" is a licensed production of the Italian Fiat 124. It is no secret that the USSR bought a license from Fiat. In Poland, a more luxurious version called Fiat 125 p was produced under license. Both cars had the same floor pan
@smiechuwarte-qt8pn vaz-2101, 2103, 2104 was made with help of fiat.
This car was either vaz-2105 ot 2107. It is a further (last) modification of fiat-based platform.
@smiechuwarte-qt8pn Same basis, but the 125 (125p) was a bigger car than the 124/Vaz/Zhiguli/Lada.
Love group B rallying
If you didn´t already - watch some footage from Group B...
Nope you dont yap to much, A it’s a reaction channel, B its funny to hear you try to talk :D You sure you speak English yeah ?! 😏
great vid as always!
If you've not already done so, have a look at Group B rallying from the 80s. Insane cars and drivers and even more insane crowd.
11:42 These fires is also called "backfire", common in "rich" with fuel turbo engines. Also with anti-lag system you can notice it.
5:50 they drive on asphalt/paved roads, gravel, mud and snowed on gravel roads, which are pretty much all public infrastructure usually. Also, these rally cars have a very high safety requirement, so deaths in crazy crashes are almost impossible.
10:39 did no-one see the animals on the left side of the road that the car barely missed?
During the eighties we lived for this, it's called 'living on the edge' and it is the ONLY way to live!
I forget which rally driver it was, but Top Gear did a bit with James May where they tried to Rally in a 2 tonne Bentley (with James as co-driver) and James very solemnly asks, when talking about him giving the course notes, "What if we do....crash" and the Driver deadpan says to him "First, I'll check to see if you're alive, then I'll ask you to apologize (for getting the course notes wrong)". That clip of them crashing, and the Driver's first instinct was to try and get the car running again, just really reminded me of that for some reason 😂
Mika Hakkinen maybe(ex F1 driver)
7:14- those fences are double-edged swords, both literally and metaphorically. On the one hand they provide some feeling of safety while they keep you separated from cliffs and things like that. But while that is true, provided their toughness, on the other hand their ends are so sharp that they can literally work as swords, been particularly dangerous for bike and motorbike raiders. More than one got some limb amputated because of them. Seriously, they should do something to make them less dangerous, by making their ends blunter.
Tyres are either Goodrich, Pirelli, Bridgestone depending who's sponsoring the event
About weather conditions. You just have to learn how to drive them. You can go to schools and learn techniques but then you just have to practice, practice, practice.
Note ... sideways is a braking procedure. My basic technique ... brake and start a rotating slide entering the corner. So I turn before the corner apex. Coming out of the corner I want to be headed straight down the road making the straight as long as possible. Sideways after the apex is slow. Of course, sometimes it just happens. Some of the corners you thought were good were less than best. Sideways is slow.
Some of these scenes were not races but demonstrations for the fans. Lots of spinning tires and rev limiter pops.
The flames out the exhaust are build up of fuel. Often from anti lag systems for turbo chargers where fuel is fed into the turbo to keep it spinning.
Some spectators think they are participants. When driving I treat them like rocks in the road. Try to avoid but once in a while you hit one. Just kidding. Hitting someone is my nightmare. Luckily we don't have these huge crowds in the US.
6:38 It is automatic, depending the grip you have. If it is wet, you adapt quickly to that. It is more like how you apply break than picking breaking points. Again, it depends on the grip you have, automatic, the break is more aggressive if you feel the grip is low.
I do not do rally, but I am a simracer and I tried karts on wet and dry.
All three surfaces have to be learned...and you left out gravel. Experience, a superlative navigator and reflexes like a rattlesnake on crack are all you need. This is real racing at the top end. A suggestion, look up and watch anything with Sebastian Loeb in it. World's best for years now. He also does Paris-Dakar. They don't actually run Paris to Dakar any more because the terrorists finally got to be too much of a problem.... Paris-Dakar makes Baja look like a Sunday romp. And the support trucks have to be _fast._
The exhaust boosters is even funnier than the rainy time roads...now I have to subscribe.
The WRC rally is a series of races like Rally Italy and Rally France, Rally Finland and so on…
The events are mostly driven in the same area of certain country and the tracks are usually the same to previous seasons, they alter some sections every season but in all tracks stay the same, so best rally drivers know most of the road, they have a introduction drive trough the track to make notes of the whole track and especially the changes from previous season…
but they pretty much know the track, even though they are masters of driving and they are familiar with the track they still need a copilot/navigator to make the best time they are capable of.
Cars are designed to crumble on impact except for the main cabin which is reinforced with a roll cage
When it comes to tinkering you can set up the best rally cars i loads of wayl. You got tyers for all kind of gripp, from strudded, to gravel and eaven slicks. You also set the tyers air pressure to preforme as good as possible. Then you got the pre loade suspention that you can set to push down the tyers rubber in holes or at other places that the rubber might loose contact wit the surface. If you hit a curve the tyers won't be lifted from the surface as much as it would without the preloaded suspention.
The same gos for transmission and brakes. So there is a lot of tinkering done to the better cars in rally. You can set them up as much as a F1 car in many ways.
the Hungarian white Lada at 15:00 with a zero number, the car running in front of the field, they don't officially measure the time, they typically drive for the public, here for example it must have had winter tyres on it, which can be driven spectacularly because it's very slippery,,, not very fast :D the 60km/hour is typically an urban limit, obviously on a closed road it doesn't matter
They use wets drys sleeks and snow ❄️ tyres for different roads 😮 and can do around 200 miles a hour. Powermonger 64 Belfast Northern Ireland
“Hey guys . . . last pause . . last pause” Pauses 2.3 pico seconds later (makes me smile).
It should be noted that the recon drive is at leagel speeds, and often the day before.
So on dirt and gravel espicaly what postion you run can completly change the state of the surface as can any rain.
The drivers drive to their co drivers notes.
If the co driver on the recon driver has noted. "Flat left cut in to 4 right"
Driver has their foot flat to the floor in to the left cutting on to the grass/edge and eases up for the right.
Even if its a blind corner they go in fully commited and fully trusting their co driver.
It really is a sport of trust and understanding of skills between them. Because thr co driver had to know exactly what the driver is capable of as he writes the pace notes, and remember as he writes them that he will be sitting in yhe car next to the guy who has tomfollow them 😊
There is an interview with a french pilot breaking down the difference between asphalt, dirt and snow on youtube. Don't have it at hand sadly but pretty sure you can find it. And don't worry those cars are the safest cars ever. The way they are strapped in those cars, you could throw them off a cliff and they'd come unscathed...
hello, the Rally in Europe is quiet and safe now (finally lol). Look at category B in the 80s and 90s. That was madness!
11:28 Those lil fires/pops aren't boosters are anything like that. The easiest way to explain it is as my dad explained to me as a child, and the more immature you are, the easier it is to remember.
A car, or combustion, engine works on one simple premise. ""Suck, squeeze, bang and blow". Fuel enters the cylinder by being sucked in, it then gets compressed, or squeezed, and then ignited, hence the bang which lifts the piston again which draws in more fuel to repeat it. And the blow is the exhaust.
Now, if you don't have enough fuel entering the cylinder, you're missing out on power, and if too much is entering the cylinder, that's called "running rich". If too much fuel enters the cylinder, not all of it can be burnt off in the time it takes to bang and blow, so it's still burning when it leaves the exhaust.
Hence the lil fiery pops!
My father ran many years the morocco´s rallye with a Fiat 850 sports coupé in the 80s. One of the most hardest rallye for the cars and the pilots. About the insane public we europeans are in this way. You should watch football soccer, basket ball, hand ball fans in Europe.
Some of the top rally drivers are from Finland. Been over there several times on business and have a few Finnish friends. Good dudes, but they can take batsh!t crazy to a whole different level. No surprise that they love Rallying and drive like freakin' maniacs.
13:21 Swedish team. Saying "There was a stop" followed by "are you feeling ok?" Cool as cucumbers.
On first drive, the driver reads the turns and other info to the co-driver, who is making notes in his book, based on system they agreed to use. This is repeated on 2nd drive, when co-driver is making remarks and fixing what was wrongfully marked in first drive. They have to follow "speed limits" so they are not allowed to practice any of the stages. Notes are also allowed to be corrected before the race if the team is using a "front car". Usually the notes are also corrected after the stage mainly for two reasons: next season or cause typically some stages are driven two times during the same rally (opposite directions). Tyres/wheels have also a huge role and how they are "set up" especially for mixed conditions, weather, surface...etc. The total number of tyres is limited and they can only carry two tyres within the car. And the rules are changing every year.
11:34 so the working principle of engines is that they have 4 how do i say it, four strokes: intake, compression expansion( combustion) and exhaust. So these combustions are result of excess fuel( when the fuel doesn't burn completely in 3rd stroke[combustion]) going out of the cilinder and burning(exploding) inside of the exhaust pipe
the engine block came off when the impact happens and got pushed back in the car by the barrier, until the spin spit it out again. The winter-tires might have some spikes added or the frozen tarmac is just as slippy as the hard snow.
@4:16 it’s rally Germany
That dash cam style footage is frantic...
They flick the handbrake on to make the back slide out. That's how they do the U bends.
Seriously, we don't mind the pausing. We get to see those crazy manoeuvres.
You are not allowed to practice on the actual competition routes in the rally. Car testing is also usually done somewhere else, than at the fast pits of rallies. But you can familiarize yourself with the route in advance and make notes. From these notes, the co-driver then tells the driver what is coming ahead, whether there is a bend coming and in which direction and what kind of bend it is, or if there is, for example, a jump and what kind of jump and the distance to it. Also, if, for example, a jump should be run in the middle or one of the two sides, that can usually be found in the notes as well.
And it's always a big help if the same driver pair has driven a certain rally in the previous year or sometime before, because at least some of the fast laps are at least for the most part the same every year, so you can use previous notes as a basis for your notes. For example, in the World Rally Championship, most of the rallies are the same year after year. Of course, a fast track can always change or they can be driven in a different direction sometimes, in which case, of course, you have to make possibly even completely new notes.
Rally cars in themselves are relatively safe for the driver and co-driver. More often in rallies, you hear of dead spectators, on whom a rally car has derailed for one reason or another. And those derailments are not always caused by the driver's driving error or the fact that the co-driver accidentally gave wrong information about the road, but for example a rock thrown onto the road by the car in front can easily throw the car off the road even at the speeds that rally cars drive. Of course, sometimes drivers or co-drivers also die.
In snow, the speed practically does not slow down compared to a gravel road, because rally cars use tires specially made for snowy conditions, with a large number of spike-like steel studs. However, these tires are not good for icy asphalt surfaces, because the studs easily come off on this surface. So, as far as I can tell, these surfaces have their own tires
In the rain and on wet surfaces, you may have to slow down a bit and drive more carefully.
Those flames coming out of the exhaust aren't intentional per se. It's a product of less restrictive exhaust systems and agressive engine mapping that leads to excess fuel igniting on the tip of the exhaust as it mixes again with oxygen while hot from the exhaust. Other reasons is ALS (Anti-Lag System), often used in turbocharged cars. It ignites fuel when off throtle to keep the turbo spooled, so when you hit the gas again you have inmediate power. This often leads to even more excess fuel, so it leaves the hot exhaust and combusts when mixed with oxygen.
ALS or not, turbocharged cars often spir more flames than NA cars due to running rich on fuel, as the turbo can bring so much air when spooled, but it's not constant, so there are moments when more fuel than air is injected and that's the excess fuel that exits through the exhaust.
When you suddenly accelerate in a car with a turbo you get turbo lag the flames are a result of the anti lag system in the car to counter that lag and get quicker acceleration.
2:55 My man just pre-yote his shoe in preparation for death.
Each corner is taken on its own merit so different corners require different techniques
Wasn't just the block ripped out, it was the whole motor and transmission ripped out. The guy running out to flag down the next car probably stopped a fatality
OK so the weather and conditions driving and grip question. In the dry they use slick tyres with no "tread" it is actually all tread just no cuts or grooves. In the cold they use softer compound tyres and in hot conditions they use harder compound tyres... They also need to get hot to work which is also why they use different compounds of tyres and those tyres will last one or two stages in some cases so a set of tyres can be done in less than 100 miles. In the wet they use softer compound tyres with cut grooves to help disperse water and moisture as well as the groves helping heat the tyre up due to how the rubber around the cuts is flexing creating its own heat too. These tyres can offer as much if not more grip than your own cars tyres in the dry! On snow and ice they use narrow tyres to cut into the snow and they can also use studded tyres to cut into icy roads too. They get used to these tyres with experience and lots of practice so the driver has a feel for grip as he is driving and adjusts how he drives based on what he can see as well as feel through the car. The drivers use racing harnesses to hold them tight into the seat and this does help them feel what the car is doing too. My time racing Karts we used seats with almost zero padding and would be fitted to your body size to hold you tightly into the kart so you do get much much more feel than if the seat allowed your body to move around. We also used slick and rain tyres and even changing tyre pressures 2 or 3 PSi would make a massive difference to how the tyres would heat up and how they would grip too...
The flames.. This is one of two things.. One is in a car without a turbo the engine is provided a small amount of fuel even when the throttle is fully closed when braking so that fuel can ignite in the red hot exhaust as soon as the throttle is opened. This is done so the driver never has a point where he applies the throttle and the injectors need to catch up to how his foot applies the throttle. Normal road cars are not as responsive or rev as highly but if you close the throttle in you road car then hit full throttle there is a momentary delay. They do not want this delay...
Two is in turbo charged engines it is called anti lag. It is done a number of ways but the most dramatic way used to be in the Group B era where there was a small fuel injector and a spark plug in the exhaust system near the turbo. They would inject some fuel and make the spark plug fire quickly to burn this fuel if they added a very small amount of air through the system then the turbo would keep spinning at full speed like a small jet turbine. So when the driver opened the throttle again he would have full turbo boost. Now this would produce flames going into a corner on the group B cars and some very impressive flames too.. The more modern system does a similar thing to number 1 allowing the injectors to keep adding fuel and the hot exhaust would allow it to combust. But they would try to insulate the exhaust to help retain as much heat as possible to allow this fuel to combust. But modern anti lag systems lack that machine gun sound of the older much wilder Group B Anti Lag Systems.
Sorry for the long post, I was in motorsport for over 20 years from club racing to F1 including WRC as an engineer with a company that made parts for every level of motorsport. I also used to race bikes and Karts..
Generally fire and pops from the exhaust are usually just unburnt fuel on engine brake getting ignited by the glowing red hot turbo, combined with almost no mufflers it gets exposed, so it is more of a side effect, not adding any power at all (but it looks and sounds cool). However exhaust fire and pops can be intentional during a launch to make the turbo spin up faster and to build boost pressure at lower rpms, but this is only used for launch, and/or a method of overcome the fact that you use a too large turbo that could not spin up by the normal exhaust gasses in a timely manner.
I used to grass track and auto test when I was young. The trick on corners is to unbalance the car before the turn and it will come around for you.
At least at the professional levels, rally racing is amazingly safe.
At the WRC, there's only be 3 fatalities in the last 30 years.
The Isle of Man TT (probably the deadliest sport event) rarely has 3 or more deaths almost every single year.
4:46 me every time I open Instagram **instantly brings up 3 fatal crashes**
9:25 nevermind rip to the preppy dude that ate a Porsche splitter🤦♂️
Now watch a compilatiion with all the accidents.
That's really funny stuff !!
People flying around !!
Flames in exhaust is because of the super hot exhaust and unburned fuel that go's to the exhaust (rally cars are adjusted mo rich because of the continius full throtlle and quick change in throtlle so there is unburned fuel going thru the exhaust
There is a co-pilot who's telling the driver when is corner, wet or dry and speed.
It's not that easy as it looks.
Watch the Mini car sequence in the film "The Italian Job" (original). Stunt driving at its best
I've driven at 130mph on a long straight road and had to slow down because the brain just doesn't function that fast! These speeds, on these roads, in these conditions?!
4:35 Ah just Poland, nothing unexpected here 😒
National rallies usually are on many times used stages. Drvers and co-drivers are very familiar wth these stages. WRC event is different .
You asked a question early on in the video Connor about how much practice rally drivers are allowed on rally route, the answer is NONE they arent allowed to study the route at all, that is why there is ALWAYS two people in the car, the first obviously is the driver, but his " passenger" has an active role too he/she is called a navigator in this Country and is just as important as the driver, (some other Countries and stupid TV commentators call them the "co" driver which is a misnomer as he NEVER gets to drive !) and has maps and pace notes out at all times and studies the route inch by inch in real time on the map relaying to the driver what bends are coming up, what corners, what hill crests they could become airborn on, where they could bottom out in a dip etc and keeps up a running commentary to the driver throughout the entire event telling him such things as what speed he ought to be doing how far away the next corner is, which way it turns what speed he can take it at and so on, most navigators inform the driver of the severity of a corner in terms of compass degrees e,g ninety left tight, or forty left open, flat over brow means cane it even though you cant see over a hill because it is safe on the other side, an example of this in action is at 10.30 in the video showing a navigator screaming instructions second by second to the driver.
One thing that really does boil my pee is when some call it a rally "race" it isnt a race at all its a TIME TRIAL where you have to go from A to B at an average of thirty miles an hour and are timed on it.........the problem for the crew starts when you realise that they ALSO have to go through checkpoints at C, D,.E. and F FIRST, hence the hurry up bit, but the answer to your question is no the driver DOESNT get to practice. the fire you see coming out of the exhaust on that Escort Cosworth is unburnt fuel igniting after a deceleration from full boost in the exhaust pipes
Basically in rally, you have traction only on asphalt, only drifting otherwise, so in wet conditions its just full drifting lol rallye drivers are the best in the world
The difference between an 80's Stratos, maxxed out 3.8 liter naturally aspirated rally beast, & a modern 4 wheel drive, twin turbo, almost auto drive - 900HP - satnav pos unfailed H'wood 3rd gen missed opportunity C Actor.. Just joking.. I guess it's close.. minus the 4w drive..
Speed of revs ometimes allow air fuel mixture not to burn fully in cylinder and ignites in exhaust
Thanks for a new reaction!
2:55 you know what they say in gore communitites? "His shoes fell off so he didn't survived"
These rally drivers start their careers as children in amateur children's races. For example, Pole Robert Kubica started driving karts at the age of 6.
3:51 they run a recce before the rally usually in a modified road car, also speeds are limited on the recce. On that they will tell the co-driver what pace notes they want for each corner but other than that they won’t see the track again until they drive it flat out on the actual rally
This is called ADRENALINE 😊
USA-everything’s safe and simple and you have loads of guns.
What a time to be alive 😂
Yea, those "explosions" are not for show...
exhaust explosions are un-burnt fuel getting threw the engine and combusting with air on exit. they are run pretty rich (more fuel to air ratio than normal) because they don't have to worry about efficiency in the rules of this sport.
This is why we find Nascar a little tame
06:37 Same as cross country ski. Do your bst! (tiers). 08:25 Warnig of danger, its not nuts.
The flames are just unburnt fuel combusting inside the hot exhaust.
I have been a rally co driver reading out the notes for a driver and it’s probably a big difference for the driver i have race experience but not not in rally but I’d assume it’s the driver would have the same reaction but its different in single seaters then rally so honestly couldn’t tell you how much earlier it is
I can’t tell who’s job is more difficult, the driver, or the person screaming out directions at 100 mph
The flames are from unburned fuel and then ignites in exhaust system
Stop apologising for stopping and commenting... send people who complain to the original video. You're MEANT to be 'reacting'! And your comments are always interesting, insightful, funny or at least thoughtful.
You're not a wimp. You underestimate however the amount of beer that flows since the previous day these footages were taken. Back where I'm from, the major rally events took thousands to go camping in the mountains for the whole weekend. A lot of beer consumed. It's like a festival. People get crazy. Plus the engine noise echoing through the valleys from miles away is 'scientifically proven' to pump more testosterone through your veins.
Hello, I like your reactions, you have a lot of empathy
Those Quattros and the Lancias were good to see
11:45 just holy power
What tyres are those? None of the parts on those cars are commercially available - everything is specially made and designed for the events.
A WRC rally car costs about $1 million USD and running a typical season is about $10m a year - a pittance compared to formula 1. Before the budget caps, top F1 teams like Ferrari and Mercedes were spending about $700 million per season to compete.
No practice allowed. They can drive at normal legal road speed to make notes.
The guy fell over, nowhere near getting crushed
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