True, and its sad too. The UCI list is now stricter than the Olympics drug list. If we went back to the Lance Armstrong days, you' have to remove the top 10 or so riders.....it was that prevalent
I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and he's a legend. No shame in retiring now!!!
Ullrich and Basso both said on more than one occasion, if no one in the Peloton had been doping, Armstrong still would have won all 7 times. The guy was completely obsessed with winning the TDF to the point of psychosis. They used to call him "Robocop", because he attacked that Tour like an unemotional and purely focused machine.
He training days were like this several days a week for months. Nobody worked harder not even close. Guy was a killer. The doping was actually limited to small windows to avoid testing so...I don’t really get what all the fuss is about.
I agree. Beside all the BS (I condemed him too) he was the best. he wanted it the most. He was the bast strategist with the ultimate focus. Lance himself said that if Ullrich just would have made an effort he would not have won al seven. Ullrich did not prepare well for the tour and that's on him. He was to heavy at the start. Which is funny caus he was the only contender for Lance.
He looked Jan right in the eyes & basically said 'if you're coming then let's go' otherwise this tour is over for you. How epic would it have been if Jan had the legs to stay with him. It would've been the greatest stage duel of all time.
Actually Lance in a recent interview said he was really looking back for his teammate to see if he was going to attack with Lance!! But it was a great story he didn’t want to ruin it back when.
they need to silence the audio and come up with an appropriate over-dub focusing on "look what a top athlete can do to his world class competition, carefully doped by a doctor who knew exactly how much EPO and oxygenated blood to put into Armstrong, and not get caught." In consulting they call it "lessons learned." Keep the recording for posterity
@@kadecarthel5297 Yes they all doped but I wonder if they all doped as much and as often as Lance did? A few of his teamates have said that US Postal had the UCI in their pockets. Meaning they could ( & did) buy their way out of (+) test results. I don't think other teams had that much confidence or pull with the powers that ran the Tour.
For anyone who rides seriously or has ridden Alpe Du Huez , you know first hand that going up it like Lance does here almost totally out of the saddle is totally insane and super human.
@@haroldsmith7044 Read some of the books, his scheme was a multi million dollar doping scandal, no other riders had that attribute. Plus it's still cheating and he was rightfully banned for life.
Having cheated death, Lance finally took his training seriously and lost 30 pounds. They all doped, but dropping that excess weight was the real difference. If he hadn’t treated people so badly I would have nothing but respect for the man.
Yea, the weight reduction before the Tour was a key pivotal point to getting an optimal w/kg. More important than the EPO boosts. It was clearly evident with Jan who ended up being visibly too fat (for a world class cyclist) while having more watts than Lance.
Man I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and you're a legend Phil. No shame in retiring now mate!!!
It was interesting to hear Ligget., the one who infamously had the commentary about Armstong "going up the road like a motorcar" avoid instances in past Tours with Armstrong involved where racing was slowed for #1 or the Yellow Jersey. I understand why, but to say that's the 1st time he had seen the leader slow up while the #2 recovered from a crash was amusing.
At 0:30 you can see the devil. Behind him stomping his pedals you can also see the legendary El Diablo Didi Senft in his famous red devil costume running next to the side of the road. It is so poetic Armstrong attacked at that point!
Yes, the best CHEAT EVER! What about the few that weren't cheating ? Would he have been so dominant against ones that didn't cheat if he didn't dope? That's the point! We'll never know...... BECAUSE.....he . CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!
In those years everyone was doped, not only Lance Armstrong. Remember Ulrich, Pantani, Basso, etc.. So, between the doped guys, he still was the best..
Along with every other cyclist for the past 50-60 years. Singling Armstrong out as a cheater is stupid. Literally every single professional cyclist was and continues to do exactly the same things he did. Hell most of his biggest rivals during his run served suspensions at some point because they were caught. If you want to call out the entire sport because the entire thing is a sham that's legitimate. Trying to pretend everyeone else in those races wasn't doing the exact same things is not.
Rowgue51 agree with you and you just forgot that all of the sports are packed with ped's but there is a lot of money involved so everybofy keeps quiet,like soccer in eu perhaps or tennis or nba, you name it
A cheat is a cheat no matter how many others are cheating. Children look to champions for inspiration and copy them. We can do without Armstrong and all the rest because then real Champions will emerge. Almost every sport is now tarnished with drug abuse and doping but that’ll never make it acceptable. He’s a cheat end of story
Lovely to hear this old commentary, Armstrong was great in terms of entertainment and was one of the reasons I got into cycling, will always like him for that despite the doping
Lance had an extraordinary large heart however the most impressive thing he had was his lactate threshold. When guys lactates we're hitting 14 up the climbs Lance was only hitting 6 and 7 so he was no where near in the same pain as the others, plus he could recover so much faster.
@@OttoIncandenza Apparently they ALL doped so it was irrelevant. Unfortunately all we hear looking back was that Lance did and nobody else did but everyone did. And for the few that didnt, they didnt have what it took to win the GC anyway.
Actually Ullrich was perhaps the strongest but his penchant for grinding up the hills in a high gear hindered. His abiliyy to react quickly enough to Armstrongs high cadence and low gear style.
It did not matter, that was just the cadence he was generating the best output. He put down more torque vs less torque spinning faster to achieve the same. Recall his background was that of a short run time trialist and bunch sprinter during his youth. The main issue is that Jan was too fat. His extra heft lead to a lower w/kg rating that lead to major problems in the mountains over sustained lengths.
What did they say watts/kg was required to win this stage at 30 min threshold? 6.3 w/kg? At my wt of 87 kg, I would have to maintain 540+ watts/30min. I cant sustain that for more than a few minutes. Even with religious training, Im lucky to even sustain 340 watts for 15 minutes.
Most professional riders are 15-20 kg lighter than you are. They have around 400-450 watts. Plus, they spend 30+ hours a week training. Us normal humans have work and other obligations. I'm lucky to get 12 hours a week.
I'm not sure this stage was measured but on the Alpe' stage where it was a time trial they have Lance's time up the mountain at 6.97w/kg. Essentially 7w/kg for about a little over half an hour. And, that was near the end of the Tour so fatigue had already made its way in.
I was a huge Armstrong fan. He was the reason I got turned on to the TDF. It was so sad that he was found out to be cheating. Maybe they all were. But he was the guy that was winning. So they focused on him.
I love how the commentators immediately interpret "he looked straight into his eyes and said hey im going are u coming" . When lance later said he was just looking for his teammates incase this attack failed.
Excellent climbing performance and poker face all day long (dope or not). Incredible to watch. Sorry if 90's and 00's cycling offends you. I'm sure most who complain never raced a bike.
It's not about certain decades of cycling being unpopular. It's about these riders being held up as equal or superior to the all-time greats who were not doping because it was not available to the level of med technology that Armstrong had or because they simply considered it wrong to use PED's. You gotta admit that Armstrong accelerating on Alpe DHuez like that at the end of a 6 hour day makes his use of drugs so obvious it's almost comical. After he was exposed and had to ride clean, he struggled up these tough mountain climbs.
@@tennsmoothie If you think that the all time great cyclists like Eddy Merckx didn’t use performance enhancing drugs then you’re seriously mental. They used mostly amphetamines before blood doping was a thing. The UCI just used to not have as strict of requirements for riders.
Look dope was equal, what the other riders didn't have was the road set to be what he became. Period! He had it, he knew they trained lazy. Dude without dope and given that focus and his hard work he would have been top 5 natural. Dudes the hardest, ambitious, that had all a gain to be the best, he is the best of the tour. I lol now like I did then at Jan, Jan and the rest except Beloki where happy with riding they hated training and they were thinking about there paper thin career against the vultures that owned them . Lance was free
If you look closely this was the year and bike that Lance used an old school brake only on the left side instead of the STI intergrated shifter. Pretty sure he had a downtube shifter ( friction or SIS ) to control the RD. Phil and Paul mentioned this, don't know if it was just for the weight savings or what. Lance used the same on other climbs.
American's put the rear shifter/brake on the right. By that line of logic, the friction shifter would have control the FD for an American rider, ie Lance.
Steve Bullard Most pro riders switch to downtube shifters for climbing stages. When you are going uphill you do not want chain rub or sprocket rubbing noises. Down tube shifters allow for less chain rub on FD and RD because there is no indexing to reset. It is also much lighter as well. A big advantage of down tube shifter is also you can cross chain to gear combos not possible with sis or di setups. You can see here he is on the big ring but using a bigger sprocket due to the down tube shifters allowing those bigger combos.
What an EPIC stage this was. Who cares If they were doped? It was such a great Tour and this unbelievable stage. These two guys still were the Best of them all. And will ever be!
Right!! If they ALL doped doesnt that just level the field anyway. And the ones that werent, if there was any, didnt have what it takes to win anyway. Lance rode the miles, he changed every aspect to the Tour, he trained harder and using meds or not he was not going to lose because he was physically stronger than anyone, physically and mentally. The tactics were like no other sport!! The way he played possom, or the look at Ullrich to see if he was able to follow then launch like a mad man! He broke the will of everyone, and if someone tried Lance went harder until they gave up. Lance was the Tour. His team helped too but he was just better.
@@kingtungstenworldwide4472 He didn't train harder, he had a team of scientists making better drugs. That doesn't make him better - you can argue his suppliers were better, but he was not.
@@margusmikson794 I always have my eye on cadence. It's something I always look at ironically and I didn't notice any really high cadence. I am ALWAYS fascinated these guys push such big gears in the high mountains so I didn't see a really high cadence. Nothing like how Froomey rides. Thats a super high cadence. I did notice some lower gears being used on occasion but they were at an almost 20% incline. I just didn't notice a really high cadence. When I refer to "high cadence" I'm basing it from Froomeys style of cadence. Very high
@@starlitshadows I don't really know why I say this but a higher cadence is the exact style you would expect to see in dopers in many cases. The extra oxygen in the blood or the TUEs given for things like asthma that allow the bronchi to open up so one can breathe better helps them spin a higher cadence and gives them longer endurance. Really high cadence CAN be a sign of PEDs or abuse of TUE's
No of course not. Most of the top riders at that time doped. Lance gets the hate he does because of the way he treated anyone who questioned if he was clean. Bullying, threatening and intimidating anyone through even slightly doubted him being clean while he was doped to the eyeballs. He's an absolute piece of shit
Not all were raging psychopaths who had access to the best doping doctors and protection though. Don't get me wrong it was entertaining to watch but no way everyone else had access to the same stuff. On the other hand same could be said now aswell. Atleast he didn't use a motor, I guess, like some others after him.
@@floriank6521 ja they did it at different levels like the Festina team which had a trunk full (a trunk full of blood)..... Ja mmmmmmm they did it at different levels. The only level that was different was Lance was more shrewed.
Beat everyone and cancer. In those days you either got on the train or you were left at the station. 100% of the other riders were just as guilty! LANCE IS STILL A HERO TOO ME!
He was a beast. It was a level playing field. Great era. What irritates me the most is he made many people millionaires and they threw him under the bus. I’m not justifying doping but I sure am tired of righteous Cat 4s throwing him under the bus. He was a phenomenon.
NOTE: Gotta love the earlier days, if you closely you will notice that lance has a friction shifter for his front derailleur and a non-sti lever at his left hand for weight savings. Used to save about 50g before the bikes could approach the uci legal limit by accident (technology!)
I don't think you can really appreciate watching sports like this unless you have done it yourself and experienced the pain and suffering, the mind games you play with yourself, the fatigue and exhaustion, the aching back and hands and neck etc. Forcing yourself to keep going despite your body screaming at you to stop. You can't appreciate what they are going through unless you have experienced it. Same as with any sport.
2023 and there's still nobody like Lance! They all doped so thats not the reason, he changed the game in every aspect. Not only that, nobody has the determination he had to the finish line because he knew every second mattered. Its never over until its over. Today so many celebrate before they finish like theyre doing something but your not doing anything until youre 110% to the end.
The EPO era was honestly the most exciting time in cycling.
True, and its sad too. The UCI list is now stricter than the Olympics drug list. If we went back to the Lance Armstrong days, you' have to remove the top 10 or so riders.....it was that prevalent
At least we have Pogi now
2024 TDF is even more entertaining
@@lizziemobil I have no doubt that 2024 Pogi would have given 2002 Lance a real run for his money.
@@doccrimson Run? Pogi is up on top enjoying a nice cocktail before Lance even reaches the foot of the climb
To a man, juiced up to the eyeballs...and I enjoyed every minute of these epic battles.
All the Riders are juiced tho - still are
some of the greatest bike commentary ever recorded! cheers to Ligget a true tour icon
But also a false assumption as everyone knows now!
Ligget was a fool on the Armstrong payroll. Even flew with Armstrong on his jet plane
@@Spruikermania Haters gonna hate!
I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and he's a legend. No shame in retiring now!!!
Fuck Liggett the Lance denier and apologist. Hated his commentary too...
Ullrich and Basso both said on more than one occasion, if no one in the Peloton had been doping, Armstrong still would have won all 7 times. The guy was completely obsessed with winning the TDF to the point of psychosis. They used to call him "Robocop", because he attacked that Tour like an unemotional and purely focused machine.
Sorry, but without dope his power to weight ratio was not TDF champion material. Top 20 at best.
Great excuses from a cheat
Jim Koral don't say the true
He training days were like this several days a week for months. Nobody worked harder not even close. Guy was a killer. The doping was actually limited to small windows to avoid testing so...I don’t really get what all the fuss is about.
I agree. Beside all the BS (I condemed him too) he was the best. he wanted it the most. He was the bast strategist with the ultimate focus. Lance himself said that if Ullrich just would have made an effort he would not have won al seven. Ullrich did not prepare well for the tour and that's on him. He was to heavy at the start. Which is funny caus he was the only contender for Lance.
He looked Jan right in the eyes & basically said 'if you're coming then let's go' otherwise this tour is over for you. How epic would it have been if Jan had the legs to stay with him. It would've been the greatest stage duel of all time.
Actually Lance in a recent interview said he was really looking back for his teammate to see if he was going to attack with Lance!! But it was a great story he didn’t want to ruin it back when.
they need to silence the audio and come up with an appropriate over-dub focusing on "look what a top athlete can do to his world class competition, carefully doped by a doctor who knew exactly how much EPO and oxygenated blood to put into Armstrong, and not get caught." In consulting they call it "lessons learned." Keep the recording for posterity
or if he had the drugs Lance had Epic
@@strace67they all doped. Armstrong was still the best.
@@kadecarthel5297 Yes they all doped but I wonder if they all doped as much and as often as Lance did? A few of his teamates have said that US Postal had the UCI in their pockets. Meaning they could ( & did) buy their way out of (+) test results. I don't think other teams had that much confidence or pull with the powers that ran the Tour.
Everyone was doping, Armstrong had a better dealer.
He was the best.
Quetzachapin dope or no dope talent is talent!
@@savagess25 exactly!
Liestrong was the dopest man on earth.
Lance is why I got into cycling, I'll forever be a fan
Its a shame it took you a doped up cheat to get you into cycling
I agree! Even with a little blood dribbling and track marks down his arm it was still a lot of fun watching these guys.
@@boblatkey7160they all did it, he just did it better (and all his guys got paid)
Me too, I am the same age as Lance, so a late starter.
@@Simon-fr4ts I meant watching ... ^^"
@legendofstreet
And Paul Sherwen is great too, and even better they work well together. They definitely add to the tour for all english speakers.
For anyone who rides seriously or has ridden Alpe Du Huez , you know first hand that going up it like Lance does here almost totally out of the saddle is totally insane and super human.
It's called EPO
@@1AceDeuce All the GC contenders were on it.
@@demdjen77 Still cheating though
@@1AceDeuce When everyone is doing, is it still giving him an advantage?
@@haroldsmith7044 Read some of the books, his scheme was a multi million dollar doping scandal, no other riders had that attribute. Plus it's still cheating and he was rightfully banned for life.
One of THE great moments in cycling. The hill. The man. And maybe what really separates it, the tactics.
Oh, and the drugs. 4:11
@@Al-ny8dk oh and the druggies that he rode right past.
Lrfixit life is cruel,dimwit!
@@Al-ny8dk everyone was on something
@@caasicam not like lance
Having cheated death, Lance finally took his training seriously and lost 30 pounds. They all doped, but dropping that excess weight was the real difference. If he hadn’t treated people so badly I would have nothing but respect for the man.
I don't think it was quite 30pounds......
He doesn't deny that human growth hormone he took that same year might have fed the cancer in the first place.
Yea, the weight reduction before the Tour was a key pivotal point to getting an optimal w/kg. More important than the EPO boosts. It was clearly evident with Jan who ended up being visibly too fat (for a world class cyclist) while having more watts than Lance.
Karma scrotal...
Except they didn’t all dope
I did the Marmotte which finished on Alpe D'Huez. The pace Armstrong goes up this climb is insane
I still see brilliance when I watch this
Yep
R.I.P. Paul Sherwin
Best move ever.
Man I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and you're a legend Phil. No shame in retiring now mate!!!
It was interesting to hear Ligget., the one who infamously had the commentary about Armstong "going up the road like a motorcar" avoid instances in past Tours with Armstrong involved where racing was slowed for #1 or the Yellow Jersey. I understand why, but to say that's the 1st time he had seen the leader slow up while the #2 recovered from a crash was amusing.
@@craighermle7727 it's just that iconic unwritten rule in cycling that comes into effect at rare moments. Of course he's seen it, MANY times before
At 0:30 you can see the devil. Behind him stomping his pedals you can also see the legendary El Diablo Didi Senft in his famous red devil costume running next to the side of the road. It is so poetic Armstrong attacked at that point!
Did has been there for 40 years!! Icon in the sport. A German that doesn't speak a lick of English 😂 he's BRILLIANT
He knew that he could be on tv the most if he ran after top riders at that point
I was with him first stage of this year's TdF, what a legend! Still doesn't speak English 🤣
Legend. Still remember this particular stage. One of the best athletes ever, doped or not.
this NEVER gets old fuckin bad ass. Froome could lose the tour but if he pulled the trigger ONCE he'd be a legend like LA!!?
Munamankeli Agreed! All the top cyclist were doping then. From 1999 to 2006 Armstrong was the best cyclist in the world.
Yes, the best CHEAT EVER! What about the few that weren't cheating ? Would he have been so dominant against ones that didn't cheat if he didn't dope? That's the point! We'll never know...... BECAUSE.....he . CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!
Still doped , sure...
Jejjer W this clown clearly doesn’t know cycling from ‘96-2010.
In those years everyone was doped, not only Lance Armstrong. Remember Ulrich, Pantani, Basso, etc..
So, between the doped guys, he still was the best..
Hello 8yr old comment, I agree with this.
He was the best doper
one of the best to ever climb on a bike
Armstrong is a cheater
Along with every other cyclist for the past 50-60 years. Singling Armstrong out as a cheater is stupid. Literally every single professional cyclist was and continues to do exactly the same things he did. Hell most of his biggest rivals during his run served suspensions at some point because they were caught.
If you want to call out the entire sport because the entire thing is a sham that's legitimate. Trying to pretend everyeone else in those races wasn't doing the exact same things is not.
Rowgue51 agree with you and you just forgot that all of the sports are packed with ped's but there is a lot of money involved so everybofy keeps quiet,like soccer in eu perhaps or tennis or nba, you name it
A cheat is a cheat no matter how many others are cheating. Children look to champions for inspiration and copy them. We can do without Armstrong and all the rest because then real Champions will emerge. Almost every sport is now tarnished with drug abuse and doping but that’ll never make it acceptable. He’s a cheat end of story
The Colombian Soler was the BEST, fastest EVER uphill...Google it...sad finish to his career...
lance....you still have your fans,we know you were only doing what everyone else was doing
you were the best
Lovely to hear this old commentary, Armstrong was great in terms of entertainment and was one of the reasons I got into cycling, will always like him for that despite the doping
They ALL were doping. So in most respects, the competition was equal.
@@ShuKatashSam wrong. I don’t want it to be a competition in the quality of your drugs/how well your body reacts to drugs.
and now Phil won't even say his name on the broadcasts. It's kind of bs.
@@OttoIncandenzait wasn’t drug quality alone that made Armstrong what he was.
@@OttoIncandenzathey were all juiced up
Lance was the best! Thanks for the inspiration and exciting tours.
Lance had an extraordinary large heart however the most impressive thing he had was his lactate threshold. When guys lactates we're hitting 14 up the climbs Lance was only hitting 6 and 7 so he was no where near in the same pain as the others, plus he could recover so much faster.
He just had the best "secret sauce" pumped into his veins.
Total fraud and bold face liar.
Everyone is born with a lactic threshold. Doping or not you can’t change it.
He also took drugs dude
@@OttoIncandenza yes and? Who at the top in any sport doesn’t.
@@OttoIncandenza Apparently they ALL doped so it was irrelevant. Unfortunately all we hear looking back was that Lance did and nobody else did but everyone did. And for the few that didnt, they didnt have what it took to win the GC anyway.
Actually Ullrich was perhaps the strongest but his penchant for grinding up the hills in a high gear hindered. His abiliyy to react quickly enough to Armstrongs high cadence and low gear style.
It did not matter, that was just the cadence he was generating the best output. He put down more torque vs less torque spinning faster to achieve the same. Recall his background was that of a short run time trialist and bunch sprinter during his youth. The main issue is that Jan was too fat. His extra heft lead to a lower w/kg rating that lead to major problems in the mountains over sustained lengths.
Lance Armstrong climbs hills faster than I can go down them... holy hell.
mithrandirbooga it's called cheating
@@jamesblaser5329 he did nothing different from all the riders
@caasicam This comment has nothing to do with the other riders
Climbing in the drops like a true badass
What did they say watts/kg was required to win this stage at 30 min threshold? 6.3 w/kg? At my wt of 87 kg, I would have to maintain 540+ watts/30min. I cant sustain that for more than a few minutes. Even with religious training, Im lucky to even sustain 340 watts for 15 minutes.
Most professional riders are 15-20 kg lighter than you are. They have around 400-450 watts. Plus, they spend 30+ hours a week training. Us normal humans have work and other obligations. I'm lucky to get 12 hours a week.
Can you do my tax returns
I'm not sure this stage was measured but on the Alpe' stage where it was a time trial they have Lance's time up the mountain at 6.97w/kg. Essentially 7w/kg for about a little over half an hour. And, that was near the end of the Tour so fatigue had already made its way in.
The Bluff: 0:00 The Look: 1:50 The Win: 6:30 this will never get old
A climb nonpareil in racing. One for the ages by Lance. Great commentary to boot!
Amazing. Just pure strength and endurance.
You mean pure PED's
I was a huge Armstrong fan. He was the reason I got turned on to the TDF. It was so sad that he was found out to be cheating. Maybe they all were. But he was the guy that was winning. So they focused on him.
most of them doped. Armstrong was incredible though.
i kinda think they busted them all. dominoes...
They were all cheating. He was just on another level. He wanted the win the most too.
All the top guys were doping. Lance was/is a jerk, but he actually got screwed, left holding the bag for that entire lost, doped generation of riders.
they all were doping.
Wow, just wow. Forget the bs. Lance was a beast. Blue train ftw!
pokerface all drugged up...deceiving everyone ...the only really beautiful and elegant aspect is the commentary fm Paul and Phil.
..."druggin' " or not...tell me it was Electric watching these kick battles compared to what we have recently watched
Worth it to hear the great Phil Liggett.
I love how the commentators immediately interpret "he looked straight into his eyes and said hey im going are u coming" . When lance later said he was just looking for his teammates incase this attack failed.
Amazing era !
Incredible - where is the battery and motor?
Excellent climbing performance and poker face all day long (dope or not). Incredible to watch. Sorry if 90's and 00's cycling offends you. I'm sure most who complain never raced a bike.
It's not about certain decades of cycling being unpopular. It's about these riders being held up as equal or superior to the all-time greats who were not doping because it was not available to the level of med technology that Armstrong had or because they simply considered it wrong to use PED's. You gotta admit that Armstrong accelerating on Alpe DHuez like that at the end of a 6 hour day makes his use of drugs so obvious it's almost comical. After he was exposed and had to ride clean, he struggled up these tough mountain climbs.
@@tennsmoothie If you think that the all time great cyclists like Eddy Merckx didn’t use performance enhancing drugs then you’re seriously mental. They used mostly amphetamines before blood doping was a thing. The UCI just used to not have as strict of requirements for riders.
As a lifelong cyclist, fuck these guys. Greg Lemond is a fucking champion, none of these fakers.
I miss him & those years were GREAT viewing! 😊 No helmets on the climbs made the riders more 'accessible' (& recognizable) to the viewer too👍
No helmets but lotsa EPO.
@@roadracer1584made for better racing
Does anyone knows where Can I buy an eBike like the one lance use in the tour de france???
Look dope was equal, what the other riders didn't have was the road set to be what he became. Period! He had it, he knew they trained lazy. Dude without dope and given that focus and his hard work he would have been top 5 natural. Dudes the hardest, ambitious, that had all a gain to be the best, he is the best of the tour. I lol now like I did then at Jan, Jan and the rest except Beloki where happy with riding they hated training and they were thinking about there paper thin career against the vultures that owned them . Lance was free
My heros livestrong 4 life
Whomever said commentary is right!! SHERWIN , Liggett made it for me great memories
Man, that sweet EPO hits HAAAARD!!!
If you look closely this was the year and bike that Lance used an old school brake only on the left side instead of the STI intergrated shifter. Pretty sure he had a downtube shifter ( friction or SIS ) to control the RD. Phil and Paul mentioned this, don't know if it was just for the weight savings or what. Lance used the same on other climbs.
American's put the rear shifter/brake on the right. By that line of logic, the friction shifter would have control the FD for an American rider, ie Lance.
Steve Bullard Most pro riders switch to downtube shifters for climbing stages. When you are going uphill you do not want chain rub or sprocket rubbing noises. Down tube shifters allow for less chain rub on FD and RD because there is no indexing to reset. It is also much lighter as well. A big advantage of down tube shifter is also you can cross chain to gear combos not possible with sis or di setups. You can see here he is on the big ring but using a bigger sprocket due to the down tube shifters allowing those bigger combos.
Brutal el aguante que tiene de pie después de una etapa tan larga.... Eso no es humano
What an EPIC stage this was. Who cares If they were doped? It was such a great Tour and this unbelievable stage. These two guys still were the Best of them all. And will ever be!
Right!! If they ALL doped doesnt that just level the field anyway. And the ones that werent, if there was any, didnt have what it takes to win anyway. Lance rode the miles, he changed every aspect to the Tour, he trained harder and using meds or not he was not going to lose because he was physically stronger than anyone, physically and mentally. The tactics were like no other sport!! The way he played possom, or the look at Ullrich to see if he was able to follow then launch like a mad man! He broke the will of everyone, and if someone tried Lance went harder until they gave up. Lance was the Tour. His team helped too but he was just better.
@@kingtungstenworldwide4472 He didn't train harder, he had a team of scientists making better drugs. That doesn't make him better - you can argue his suppliers were better, but he was not.
@@DSBSB tdf wss not olympic, so the Russians were not investing ($/dope) in it.
Indurain was the best when he was on his peak
Who cares if they were doped? Apparently a whole lot of people, including me.
Nowadays has the pace slowed down in mountains ?
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Truly at the top of his game!
Asked are you coming or not; answer NOT!
MERCI MERCI MERCI POUR TOUS LES COMMENTAIRES ET DU SON DE CETTE SUPER VIDEO ET POUR CEUX QUI DEFENDENT LE BOSS LANCE
No helmets, No fears!
They all doped. All of them.
and armstrong the most by far
@@jbmuggins8815 they all did the same....he trained harder....
I think Bill Burr said it best: “Our ‘roided up guy, beat your ‘roided up guy.”
But it was exciting, wasn't it?
@@stratrat57 not sure...the Armstrong tours were pretty formulaic, this year much more exciting
What a great achievement... for the pharmaceutical industry.
Lance spinning high cadence, everyone else grinding. Fast forward to current, all climbers spin high cadence! He changed the game…
Froomey is the ONLY one with a truly high cadence tho. Most pure climbers spin big gears. They prefer power over cardio
@@kenkaniff8428 In this years tour you can see that top guys spin high candence, even Wout!
@@margusmikson794 I always have my eye on cadence. It's something I always look at ironically and I didn't notice any really high cadence. I am ALWAYS fascinated these guys push such big gears in the high mountains so I didn't see a really high cadence. Nothing like how Froomey rides. Thats a super high cadence. I did notice some lower gears being used on occasion but they were at an almost 20% incline. I just didn't notice a really high cadence. When I refer to "high cadence" I'm basing it from Froomeys style of cadence. Very high
@@kenkaniff8428 you're right they don't spin as high as Lance or Froome. Not always big gears but not the kind of cadence we saw from those two.
@@starlitshadows I don't really know why I say this but a higher cadence is the exact style you would expect to see in dopers in many cases. The extra oxygen in the blood or the TUEs given for things like asthma that allow the bronchi to open up so one can breathe better helps them spin a higher cadence and gives them longer endurance. Really high cadence CAN be a sign of PEDs or abuse of TUE's
CHRIST... this is just amazing, nothing else to say
Do People really think that it was only Lance who took EPO !?? REALLY DO YEZ / THEY !!??
No of course not. Most of the top riders at that time doped. Lance gets the hate he does because of the way he treated anyone who questioned if he was clean. Bullying, threatening and intimidating anyone through even slightly doubted him being clean while he was doped to the eyeballs. He's an absolute piece of shit
Simply, Armstrong the best! I would like too see who else can get his achievements, even with dopping
Do you hear yourself?
@@riemoaz-ziri6278 😂👍
EVEN PLAYING FIELD!
Exciting years in the tour. They all doped and several still have their titles!
Not all were raging psychopaths who had access to the best doping doctors and protection though. Don't get me wrong it was entertaining to watch but no way everyone else had access to the same stuff. On the other hand same could be said now aswell.
Atleast he didn't use a motor, I guess, like some others after him.
inspires me to practice standing up for long ass climbs...
It's about cadence and gearing
Hey which year was this?
2001 stage 10
@@pointbreak2811 Ok thanks!
What an amazing display of power and skill, he just skips up the the mountain, the whole move is perfect.
Due to drugs
man is it easy to be perfect when you use every cheat in the book
On the wings of EPO.
Nice video! Where did your self-study mathematics video go? :'((
"Not on dope"? Are you f**king kidding me?! Lance cheated on EVERY stage of EVERY tour he rode after his cancer treatment. Period. 'nuff said.
This was INCREDIBLE. And recognize that every single rider you see in this video WAS DOPING, so that issue is completely moot.
None at the level of Lance
They were doing on completely different levels. Armstrong spent millions per year on doping.
They were doing on completely different levels. Armstrong spent millions per year on doping.
@@floriank6521 ja they did it at different levels like the Festina team which had a trunk full (a trunk full of blood)..... Ja mmmmmmm they did it at different levels. The only level that was different was Lance was more shrewed.
His doping was another level 4:11
The look
Ulrich, are you coming or not....NOT
I wonder what his average watt output for this was. Also, they didn't have to wear helmets?
Beat everyone and cancer.
In those days you either got on the train or you were left at the station. 100% of the other riders were just as guilty! LANCE IS STILL A HERO TOO ME!
Thank you bless you
So you condone cheating, bullying, threatening and intimidating people then? You sound just as much of a moron as Armstrong tbh
Even with a little blood dribbling down his arm and track marks here and there, it was still an absolutely fun time to watch the bicycle races.
Lol even the usps domestiques are sprinting up the mountain.
Can’t believe how fast he was going
Not hard to believe with PED's
He was a beast. It was a level playing field. Great era. What irritates me the most is he made many people millionaires and they threw him under the bus. I’m not justifying doping but I sure am tired of righteous Cat 4s throwing him under the bus. He was a phenomenon.
That was incredible , most of you hearts would have exploded dope or not
1:51 Lance later said that he glanced back to check on his teammate, not a Ulrich!
NOTE: Gotta love the earlier days, if you closely you will notice that lance has a friction shifter for his front derailleur and a non-sti lever at his left hand for weight savings. Used to save about 50g before the bikes could approach the uci legal limit by accident (technology!)
This climb man.
Love this era.
Idc what others say he's the greatest cyclist ever.
he never won any races you idiot...eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist of all time won almost 600.
He is not
people who say cycling is boring need to watch stuff like this. ;p long live cycling like this and commentators like ligget and sherwen, the best!! :P
I don't think you can really appreciate watching sports like this unless you have done it yourself and experienced the pain and suffering, the mind games you play with yourself, the fatigue and exhaustion, the aching back and hands and neck etc. Forcing yourself to keep going despite your body screaming at you to stop. You can't appreciate what they are going through unless you have experienced it. Same as with any sport.
Riders are allowed to take off their helmets during the final climb of a race as long as the finish is at the top of that climb.
4:11 says it all. It's like watching one of those Bulgarian weight lifters of the eighties.
Lance Armstrong is..a seven times TDF WINNER. He smoked everyone in Peleton.
Nope. He's just a dirty drug cheat
Still climbing, he flips it onto the big ring. And accelerates. Doping or not (and everyone else was doing it), that was superhuman.
brilliant tactics by the postal service team and armstrong!!
This era was the best to watch!!
Best days of the Tour…🇺🇸🥇
were helmets not required in the tdf back then?
helmets were not required in the last climb at the time.
before nanny state guidelines came into force!
@disco66ba helmets were compulsory. the rule allowed riders to take them off for the final climb of a mountain top finish.
thats a show of what a true athlete is capable of
2023 and there's still nobody like Lance! They all doped so thats not the reason, he changed the game in every aspect. Not only that, nobody has the determination he had to the finish line because he knew every second mattered. Its never over until its over. Today so many celebrate before they finish like theyre doing something but your not doing anything until youre 110% to the end.
So insane seeing him finish it out at TT speeds LOL!
He approached the Tour with such focus: unrelenting training and the finest pharmaceuticals
Epic- “Are You Coming?!”
Beastly ride
Those sunglasses are pure awesome
I remember that attack. Just brutal.