True, and its sad too. The UCI list is now stricter than the Olympics drug list. If we went back to the Lance Armstrong days, you' have to remove the top 10 or so riders.....it was that prevalent
I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and he's a legend. No shame in retiring now!!!
Ullrich and Basso both said on more than one occasion, if no one in the Peloton had been doping, Armstrong still would have won all 7 times. The guy was completely obsessed with winning the TDF to the point of psychosis. They used to call him "Robocop", because he attacked that Tour like an unemotional and purely focused machine.
He training days were like this several days a week for months. Nobody worked harder not even close. Guy was a killer. The doping was actually limited to small windows to avoid testing so...I don’t really get what all the fuss is about.
I agree. Beside all the BS (I condemed him too) he was the best. he wanted it the most. He was the bast strategist with the ultimate focus. Lance himself said that if Ullrich just would have made an effort he would not have won al seven. Ullrich did not prepare well for the tour and that's on him. He was to heavy at the start. Which is funny caus he was the only contender for Lance.
Yes, the best CHEAT EVER! What about the few that weren't cheating ? Would he have been so dominant against ones that didn't cheat if he didn't dope? That's the point! We'll never know...... BECAUSE.....he . CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!
Along with every other cyclist for the past 50-60 years. Singling Armstrong out as a cheater is stupid. Literally every single professional cyclist was and continues to do exactly the same things he did. Hell most of his biggest rivals during his run served suspensions at some point because they were caught. If you want to call out the entire sport because the entire thing is a sham that's legitimate. Trying to pretend everyeone else in those races wasn't doing the exact same things is not.
Rowgue51 agree with you and you just forgot that all of the sports are packed with ped's but there is a lot of money involved so everybofy keeps quiet,like soccer in eu perhaps or tennis or nba, you name it
A cheat is a cheat no matter how many others are cheating. Children look to champions for inspiration and copy them. We can do without Armstrong and all the rest because then real Champions will emerge. Almost every sport is now tarnished with drug abuse and doping but that’ll never make it acceptable. He’s a cheat end of story
Having cheated death, Lance finally took his training seriously and lost 30 pounds. They all doped, but dropping that excess weight was the real difference. If he hadn’t treated people so badly I would have nothing but respect for the man.
Yea, the weight reduction before the Tour was a key pivotal point to getting an optimal w/kg. More important than the EPO boosts. It was clearly evident with Jan who ended up being visibly too fat (for a world class cyclist) while having more watts than Lance.
Man I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and you're a legend Phil. No shame in retiring now mate!!!
It was interesting to hear Ligget., the one who infamously had the commentary about Armstong "going up the road like a motorcar" avoid instances in past Tours with Armstrong involved where racing was slowed for #1 or the Yellow Jersey. I understand why, but to say that's the 1st time he had seen the leader slow up while the #2 recovered from a crash was amusing.
I was a huge Armstrong fan. He was the reason I got turned on to the TDF. It was so sad that he was found out to be cheating. Maybe they all were. But he was the guy that was winning. So they focused on him.
Actually Ullrich was perhaps the strongest but his penchant for grinding up the hills in a high gear hindered. His abiliyy to react quickly enough to Armstrongs high cadence and low gear style.
It did not matter, that was just the cadence he was generating the best output. He put down more torque vs less torque spinning faster to achieve the same. Recall his background was that of a short run time trialist and bunch sprinter during his youth. The main issue is that Jan was too fat. His extra heft lead to a lower w/kg rating that lead to major problems in the mountains over sustained lengths.
He looked Jan right in the eyes & basically said 'if you're coming then let's go' otherwise this tour is over for you. How epic would it have been if Jan had the legs to stay with him. It would've been the greatest stage duel of all time.
Actually Lance in a recent interview said he was really looking back for his teammate to see if he was going to attack with Lance!! But it was a great story he didn’t want to ruin it back when.
they need to silence the audio and come up with an appropriate over-dub focusing on "look what a top athlete can do to his world class competition, carefully doped by a doctor who knew exactly how much EPO and oxygenated blood to put into Armstrong, and not get caught." In consulting they call it "lessons learned." Keep the recording for posterity
@@kadecarthel5297 Yes they all doped but I wonder if they all doped as much and as often as Lance did? A few of his teamates have said that US Postal had the UCI in their pockets. Meaning they could ( & did) buy their way out of (+) test results. I don't think other teams had that much confidence or pull with the powers that ran the Tour.
In those years everyone was doped, not only Lance Armstrong. Remember Ulrich, Pantani, Basso, etc.. So, between the doped guys, he still was the best..
At 0:30 you can see the devil. Behind him stomping his pedals you can also see the legendary El Diablo Didi Senft in his famous red devil costume running next to the side of the road. It is so poetic Armstrong attacked at that point!
What did they say watts/kg was required to win this stage at 30 min threshold? 6.3 w/kg? At my wt of 87 kg, I would have to maintain 540+ watts/30min. I cant sustain that for more than a few minutes. Even with religious training, Im lucky to even sustain 340 watts for 15 minutes.
Most professional riders are 15-20 kg lighter than you are. They have around 400-450 watts. Plus, they spend 30+ hours a week training. Us normal humans have work and other obligations. I'm lucky to get 12 hours a week.
I'm not sure this stage was measured but on the Alpe' stage where it was a time trial they have Lance's time up the mountain at 6.97w/kg. Essentially 7w/kg for about a little over half an hour. And, that was near the end of the Tour so fatigue had already made its way in.
For anyone who rides seriously or has ridden Alpe Du Huez , you know first hand that going up it like Lance does here almost totally out of the saddle is totally insane and super human.
@@haroldsmith7044 Read some of the books, his scheme was a multi million dollar doping scandal, no other riders had that attribute. Plus it's still cheating and he was rightfully banned for life.
Lovely to hear this old commentary, Armstrong was great in terms of entertainment and was one of the reasons I got into cycling, will always like him for that despite the doping
Excellent climbing performance and poker face all day long (dope or not). Incredible to watch. Sorry if 90's and 00's cycling offends you. I'm sure most who complain never raced a bike.
It's not about certain decades of cycling being unpopular. It's about these riders being held up as equal or superior to the all-time greats who were not doping because it was not available to the level of med technology that Armstrong had or because they simply considered it wrong to use PED's. You gotta admit that Armstrong accelerating on Alpe DHuez like that at the end of a 6 hour day makes his use of drugs so obvious it's almost comical. After he was exposed and had to ride clean, he struggled up these tough mountain climbs.
@@tennsmoothie If you think that the all time great cyclists like Eddy Merckx didn’t use performance enhancing drugs then you’re seriously mental. They used mostly amphetamines before blood doping was a thing. The UCI just used to not have as strict of requirements for riders.
Lance had an extraordinary large heart however the most impressive thing he had was his lactate threshold. When guys lactates we're hitting 14 up the climbs Lance was only hitting 6 and 7 so he was no where near in the same pain as the others, plus he could recover so much faster.
@@OttoIncandenza Apparently they ALL doped so it was irrelevant. Unfortunately all we hear looking back was that Lance did and nobody else did but everyone did. And for the few that didnt, they didnt have what it took to win the GC anyway.
Oh soo many people loving a junkie. And the forever disgusting excuse"everybody do same". And become worst when someone who arent cyclist nasty loves the era of a selfrecognized cheater. Shame on you poor people
He was a beast. It was a level playing field. Great era. What irritates me the most is he made many people millionaires and they threw him under the bus. I’m not justifying doping but I sure am tired of righteous Cat 4s throwing him under the bus. He was a phenomenon.
I'm no Lance Armstrong defender; however, the haters shouldn't kid themselves -- most of the cycling greats took some sort of performance enhancing drugs (though I have never heard of LeMond or Hinault testing positive). In the 50's & 60's, Gaul, Bahamontes, Anquetil all openly took drugs. Jacques Anquetil of France never hid that he took drugs - a common practice at the time - and in a debate with a government minister on French television said that only a fool would imagine it was possible to ride Bordeaux-Paris on just water. He and other cyclists had to ride through "the cold, through heat waves, in the rain and in the mountains", and they had the right to treat themselves as they wished, he said in a television interview, before adding: "Leave me in peace; everybody takes dope." (from Wikipedia entry on doping in cycling). And Merckx. Maertens, and Zoetemelk in the 70's, Fignon, Delgado, Sean Kelly in the 80's, Pantani (and many others) in the 90's, etc., etc. PED's has been pervasive in cycling for many years but, apparently, it's Armstrong who is the most vilified -- no doubt, for having vociferously denying doing so.
Look dope was equal, what the other riders didn't have was the road set to be what he became. Period! He had it, he knew they trained lazy. Dude without dope and given that focus and his hard work he would have been top 5 natural. Dudes the hardest, ambitious, that had all a gain to be the best, he is the best of the tour. I lol now like I did then at Jan, Jan and the rest except Beloki where happy with riding they hated training and they were thinking about there paper thin career against the vultures that owned them . Lance was free
@@floriank6521 ja they did it at different levels like the Festina team which had a trunk full (a trunk full of blood)..... Ja mmmmmmm they did it at different levels. The only level that was different was Lance was more shrewed.
What an EPIC stage this was. Who cares If they were doped? It was such a great Tour and this unbelievable stage. These two guys still were the Best of them all. And will ever be!
Right!! If they ALL doped doesnt that just level the field anyway. And the ones that werent, if there was any, didnt have what it takes to win anyway. Lance rode the miles, he changed every aspect to the Tour, he trained harder and using meds or not he was not going to lose because he was physically stronger than anyone, physically and mentally. The tactics were like no other sport!! The way he played possom, or the look at Ullrich to see if he was able to follow then launch like a mad man! He broke the will of everyone, and if someone tried Lance went harder until they gave up. Lance was the Tour. His team helped too but he was just better.
@@kingtungstenworldwide4472 He didn't train harder, he had a team of scientists making better drugs. That doesn't make him better - you can argue his suppliers were better, but he was not.
I don't think you can really appreciate watching sports like this unless you have done it yourself and experienced the pain and suffering, the mind games you play with yourself, the fatigue and exhaustion, the aching back and hands and neck etc. Forcing yourself to keep going despite your body screaming at you to stop. You can't appreciate what they are going through unless you have experienced it. Same as with any sport.
@@margusmikson794 I always have my eye on cadence. It's something I always look at ironically and I didn't notice any really high cadence. I am ALWAYS fascinated these guys push such big gears in the high mountains so I didn't see a really high cadence. Nothing like how Froomey rides. Thats a super high cadence. I did notice some lower gears being used on occasion but they were at an almost 20% incline. I just didn't notice a really high cadence. When I refer to "high cadence" I'm basing it from Froomeys style of cadence. Very high
@@starlitshadows I don't really know why I say this but a higher cadence is the exact style you would expect to see in dopers in many cases. The extra oxygen in the blood or the TUEs given for things like asthma that allow the bronchi to open up so one can breathe better helps them spin a higher cadence and gives them longer endurance. Really high cadence CAN be a sign of PEDs or abuse of TUE's
Para mi el mejor de todos los tiempos en la subida los largaba a todos digan lo que digan de el ciclista completo contra reloj subida bajada tenian que controlar a todos del dopin
No of course not. Most of the top riders at that time doped. Lance gets the hate he does because of the way he treated anyone who questioned if he was clean. Bullying, threatening and intimidating anyone through even slightly doubted him being clean while he was doped to the eyeballs. He's an absolute piece of shit
Beat everyone and cancer. In those days you either got on the train or you were left at the station. 100% of the other riders were just as guilty! LANCE IS STILL A HERO TOO ME!
jer terr Guy is cheating. he admitted he cheated, but your saying "pure class?" Makes no sense, seems like the opposite of class, cheating and then lying about it is class to you???
Armstrong is the best cyclist of all time. Everyone he was riding against was doping as well. The older riders back in the day REALLY were doping and use amphetamines, it's a wonder more didn't drop dead on the bike. He turned into Icarus, flew too high, but he won fair and square each of his Tours.
@@alanrobinson7891 Respectfully, I understand your point of view, i just disagree. All were breaking the rules then. It was shameful and to flagrantly lie about it was worse - but Lance Armstrong is the greatest cyclist of all time, period.
@@24kachina if everyone raced clean, lance would never have won the tour. not everyone is affected by EPO equally; if you are less physically talented (low blood cell count) you get greater benefits from EPO. life isn't fair. lance wasn't a naturally gifted cyclist. he just wasn't born with the physiology for it. he had a good body for EPO which is why he dominated an era in which PEDs were king. he also had a cut throat mindset which made him capable of going to extremes to win. this allowed him to set up the best doping program for himself and his team. unfortunately his mindset and behavior led to the destruction of many lives and careers.
@@hugejackedman1951 Sorry, and respectfully, but you dont know what youre talking about. He was born a physically gifted athlete. He was a world class triathlete as a teenager - no doping. We can all agree he was a total liar and asshole but objectively he was the best grand tour cylclist ever - regardless of doping.
The EPO era was honestly the most exciting time in cycling.
True, and its sad too. The UCI list is now stricter than the Olympics drug list. If we went back to the Lance Armstrong days, you' have to remove the top 10 or so riders.....it was that prevalent
At least we have Pogi now
2024 TDF is even more entertaining
@@lizziemobil I have no doubt that 2024 Pogi would have given 2002 Lance a real run for his money.
@@doccrimson Run? Pogi is up on top enjoying a nice cocktail before Lance even reaches the foot of the climb
CHRIST... this is just amazing, nothing else to say
Lance GOAT
Goat fraud you mean
Asked are you coming or not; answer NOT!
Paul Sherwen was the best announcer of all time
Everyone was doping, Armstrong had a better dealer.
He was the best.
Quetzachapin dope or no dope talent is talent!
@@savagess25 exactly!
Liestrong was the dopest man on earth.
some of the greatest bike commentary ever recorded! cheers to Ligget a true tour icon
But also a false assumption as everyone knows now!
Ligget was a fool on the Armstrong payroll. Even flew with Armstrong on his jet plane
@@Spruikermania Haters gonna hate!
I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and he's a legend. No shame in retiring now!!!
Fuck Liggett the Lance denier and apologist. Hated his commentary too...
Ullrich and Basso both said on more than one occasion, if no one in the Peloton had been doping, Armstrong still would have won all 7 times. The guy was completely obsessed with winning the TDF to the point of psychosis. They used to call him "Robocop", because he attacked that Tour like an unemotional and purely focused machine.
Sorry, but without dope his power to weight ratio was not TDF champion material. Top 20 at best.
Great excuses from a cheat
Jim Koral don't say the true
He training days were like this several days a week for months. Nobody worked harder not even close. Guy was a killer. The doping was actually limited to small windows to avoid testing so...I don’t really get what all the fuss is about.
I agree. Beside all the BS (I condemed him too) he was the best. he wanted it the most. He was the bast strategist with the ultimate focus. Lance himself said that if Ullrich just would have made an effort he would not have won al seven. Ullrich did not prepare well for the tour and that's on him. He was to heavy at the start. Which is funny caus he was the only contender for Lance.
They all doped. All of them.
and armstrong the most by far
@@jbmuggins8815 they all did the same....he trained harder....
I think Bill Burr said it best: “Our ‘roided up guy, beat your ‘roided up guy.”
But it was exciting, wasn't it?
@@stratrat57 not sure...the Armstrong tours were pretty formulaic, this year much more exciting
To a man, juiced up to the eyeballs...and I enjoyed every minute of these epic battles.
All the Riders are juiced tho - still are
Legend. Still remember this particular stage. One of the best athletes ever, doped or not.
this NEVER gets old fuckin bad ass. Froome could lose the tour but if he pulled the trigger ONCE he'd be a legend like LA!!?
Munamankeli Agreed! All the top cyclist were doping then. From 1999 to 2006 Armstrong was the best cyclist in the world.
Yes, the best CHEAT EVER! What about the few that weren't cheating ? Would he have been so dominant against ones that didn't cheat if he didn't dope? That's the point! We'll never know...... BECAUSE.....he . CHEATED!!!!!!!!!!!
Still doped , sure...
Jejjer W this clown clearly doesn’t know cycling from ‘96-2010.
one of the best to ever climb on a bike
Armstrong is a cheater
Along with every other cyclist for the past 50-60 years. Singling Armstrong out as a cheater is stupid. Literally every single professional cyclist was and continues to do exactly the same things he did. Hell most of his biggest rivals during his run served suspensions at some point because they were caught.
If you want to call out the entire sport because the entire thing is a sham that's legitimate. Trying to pretend everyeone else in those races wasn't doing the exact same things is not.
Rowgue51 agree with you and you just forgot that all of the sports are packed with ped's but there is a lot of money involved so everybofy keeps quiet,like soccer in eu perhaps or tennis or nba, you name it
A cheat is a cheat no matter how many others are cheating. Children look to champions for inspiration and copy them. We can do without Armstrong and all the rest because then real Champions will emerge. Almost every sport is now tarnished with drug abuse and doping but that’ll never make it acceptable. He’s a cheat end of story
The Colombian Soler was the BEST, fastest EVER uphill...Google it...sad finish to his career...
Having cheated death, Lance finally took his training seriously and lost 30 pounds. They all doped, but dropping that excess weight was the real difference. If he hadn’t treated people so badly I would have nothing but respect for the man.
I don't think it was quite 30pounds......
He doesn't deny that human growth hormone he took that same year might have fed the cancer in the first place.
Yea, the weight reduction before the Tour was a key pivotal point to getting an optimal w/kg. More important than the EPO boosts. It was clearly evident with Jan who ended up being visibly too fat (for a world class cyclist) while having more watts than Lance.
Karma scrotal...
Except they didn’t all dope
Man I miss Paul Sherwin!! I have a feeling Phil will retire this year actually. It's been sad to see the amount of mistakes he's been making this past 2 years. 50 years and you're a legend Phil. No shame in retiring now mate!!!
It was interesting to hear Ligget., the one who infamously had the commentary about Armstong "going up the road like a motorcar" avoid instances in past Tours with Armstrong involved where racing was slowed for #1 or the Yellow Jersey. I understand why, but to say that's the 1st time he had seen the leader slow up while the #2 recovered from a crash was amusing.
@@craighermle7727 it's just that iconic unwritten rule in cycling that comes into effect at rare moments. Of course he's seen it, MANY times before
R.I.P. Paul Sherwin
I was a huge Armstrong fan. He was the reason I got turned on to the TDF. It was so sad that he was found out to be cheating. Maybe they all were. But he was the guy that was winning. So they focused on him.
most of them doped. Armstrong was incredible though.
i kinda think they busted them all. dominoes...
They were all cheating. He was just on another level. He wanted the win the most too.
All the top guys were doping. Lance was/is a jerk, but he actually got screwed, left holding the bag for that entire lost, doped generation of riders.
they all were doping.
Lance is why I got into cycling, I'll forever be a fan
Its a shame it took you a doped up cheat to get you into cycling
I agree! Even with a little blood dribbling and track marks down his arm it was still a lot of fun watching these guys.
@@boblatkey7160they all did it, he just did it better (and all his guys got paid)
Me too, I am the same age as Lance, so a late starter.
@@Simon-fr4ts I meant watching ... ^^"
Best move ever.
Actually Ullrich was perhaps the strongest but his penchant for grinding up the hills in a high gear hindered. His abiliyy to react quickly enough to Armstrongs high cadence and low gear style.
It did not matter, that was just the cadence he was generating the best output. He put down more torque vs less torque spinning faster to achieve the same. Recall his background was that of a short run time trialist and bunch sprinter during his youth. The main issue is that Jan was too fat. His extra heft lead to a lower w/kg rating that lead to major problems in the mountains over sustained lengths.
He looked Jan right in the eyes & basically said 'if you're coming then let's go' otherwise this tour is over for you. How epic would it have been if Jan had the legs to stay with him. It would've been the greatest stage duel of all time.
Actually Lance in a recent interview said he was really looking back for his teammate to see if he was going to attack with Lance!! But it was a great story he didn’t want to ruin it back when.
they need to silence the audio and come up with an appropriate over-dub focusing on "look what a top athlete can do to his world class competition, carefully doped by a doctor who knew exactly how much EPO and oxygenated blood to put into Armstrong, and not get caught." In consulting they call it "lessons learned." Keep the recording for posterity
or if he had the drugs Lance had Epic
@@strace67they all doped. Armstrong was still the best.
@@kadecarthel5297 Yes they all doped but I wonder if they all doped as much and as often as Lance did? A few of his teamates have said that US Postal had the UCI in their pockets. Meaning they could ( & did) buy their way out of (+) test results. I don't think other teams had that much confidence or pull with the powers that ran the Tour.
One of THE great moments in cycling. The hill. The man. And maybe what really separates it, the tactics.
Oh, and the drugs. 4:11
@@Al-ny8dk oh and the druggies that he rode right past.
Lrfixit life is cruel,dimwit!
@@Al-ny8dk everyone was on something
@@caasicam not like lance
I miss him & those years were GREAT viewing! 😊 No helmets on the climbs made the riders more 'accessible' (& recognizable) to the viewer too👍
No helmets but lotsa EPO.
@@roadracer1584made for better racing
Watching Froome win nowadays is soooo fucking boring. It's like watching someone eat oatmeal for hours.
In those years everyone was doped, not only Lance Armstrong. Remember Ulrich, Pantani, Basso, etc..
So, between the doped guys, he still was the best..
Hello 8yr old comment, I agree with this.
He was the best doper
I still see brilliance when I watch this
Yep
I did the Marmotte which finished on Alpe D'Huez. The pace Armstrong goes up this climb is insane
At 0:30 you can see the devil. Behind him stomping his pedals you can also see the legendary El Diablo Didi Senft in his famous red devil costume running next to the side of the road. It is so poetic Armstrong attacked at that point!
Did has been there for 40 years!! Icon in the sport. A German that doesn't speak a lick of English 😂 he's BRILLIANT
He knew that he could be on tv the most if he ran after top riders at that point
I was with him first stage of this year's TdF, what a legend! Still doesn't speak English 🤣
@legendofstreet
And Paul Sherwen is great too, and even better they work well together. They definitely add to the tour for all english speakers.
Simply, Armstrong the best! I would like too see who else can get his achievements, even with dopping
Do you hear yourself?
@@riemoaz-ziri6278 😂👍
What did they say watts/kg was required to win this stage at 30 min threshold? 6.3 w/kg? At my wt of 87 kg, I would have to maintain 540+ watts/30min. I cant sustain that for more than a few minutes. Even with religious training, Im lucky to even sustain 340 watts for 15 minutes.
Most professional riders are 15-20 kg lighter than you are. They have around 400-450 watts. Plus, they spend 30+ hours a week training. Us normal humans have work and other obligations. I'm lucky to get 12 hours a week.
Can you do my tax returns
I'm not sure this stage was measured but on the Alpe' stage where it was a time trial they have Lance's time up the mountain at 6.97w/kg. Essentially 7w/kg for about a little over half an hour. And, that was near the end of the Tour so fatigue had already made its way in.
That was incredible , most of you hearts would have exploded dope or not
For anyone who rides seriously or has ridden Alpe Du Huez , you know first hand that going up it like Lance does here almost totally out of the saddle is totally insane and super human.
It's called EPO
@@1AceDeuce All the GC contenders were on it.
@@demdjen77 Still cheating though
@@1AceDeuce When everyone is doing, is it still giving him an advantage?
@@haroldsmith7044 Read some of the books, his scheme was a multi million dollar doping scandal, no other riders had that attribute. Plus it's still cheating and he was rightfully banned for life.
Lance Armstrong climbs hills faster than I can go down them... holy hell.
mithrandirbooga it's called cheating
@@jamesblaser5329 he did nothing different from all the riders
@caasicam This comment has nothing to do with the other riders
Lovely to hear this old commentary, Armstrong was great in terms of entertainment and was one of the reasons I got into cycling, will always like him for that despite the doping
They ALL were doping. So in most respects, the competition was equal.
@@ShuKatashSam wrong. I don’t want it to be a competition in the quality of your drugs/how well your body reacts to drugs.
and now Phil won't even say his name on the broadcasts. It's kind of bs.
@@OttoIncandenzait wasn’t drug quality alone that made Armstrong what he was.
@@OttoIncandenzathey were all juiced up
Excellent climbing performance and poker face all day long (dope or not). Incredible to watch. Sorry if 90's and 00's cycling offends you. I'm sure most who complain never raced a bike.
It's not about certain decades of cycling being unpopular. It's about these riders being held up as equal or superior to the all-time greats who were not doping because it was not available to the level of med technology that Armstrong had or because they simply considered it wrong to use PED's. You gotta admit that Armstrong accelerating on Alpe DHuez like that at the end of a 6 hour day makes his use of drugs so obvious it's almost comical. After he was exposed and had to ride clean, he struggled up these tough mountain climbs.
@@tennsmoothie If you think that the all time great cyclists like Eddy Merckx didn’t use performance enhancing drugs then you’re seriously mental. They used mostly amphetamines before blood doping was a thing. The UCI just used to not have as strict of requirements for riders.
As a lifelong cyclist, fuck these guys. Greg Lemond is a fucking champion, none of these fakers.
Amazing era !
Wow, just wow. Forget the bs. Lance was a beast. Blue train ftw!
inspires me to practice standing up for long ass climbs...
It's about cadence and gearing
lance....you still have your fans,we know you were only doing what everyone else was doing
you were the best
EVEN PLAYING FIELD!
@datboysha40 Give Paul Sherwin some credit too. Cycling owes much to these two great commentators.
Rip Paul. Not quite the same now. Taking nothing away from bob roll....
Lance had an extraordinary large heart however the most impressive thing he had was his lactate threshold. When guys lactates we're hitting 14 up the climbs Lance was only hitting 6 and 7 so he was no where near in the same pain as the others, plus he could recover so much faster.
He just had the best "secret sauce" pumped into his veins.
Total fraud and bold face liar.
Everyone is born with a lactic threshold. Doping or not you can’t change it.
He also took drugs dude
@@OttoIncandenza yes and? Who at the top in any sport doesn’t.
@@OttoIncandenza Apparently they ALL doped so it was irrelevant. Unfortunately all we hear looking back was that Lance did and nobody else did but everyone did. And for the few that didnt, they didnt have what it took to win the GC anyway.
Oh soo many people loving a junkie. And the forever disgusting excuse"everybody do same". And become worst when someone who arent cyclist nasty loves the era of a selfrecognized cheater. Shame on you poor people
I remember that attack. Just brutal.
He was a beast. It was a level playing field. Great era. What irritates me the most is he made many people millionaires and they threw him under the bus. I’m not justifying doping but I sure am tired of righteous Cat 4s throwing him under the bus. He was a phenomenon.
No helmets, No fears!
I'm no Lance Armstrong defender; however, the haters shouldn't kid themselves -- most of the cycling greats took some sort of performance enhancing drugs (though I have never heard of LeMond or Hinault testing positive).
In the 50's & 60's, Gaul, Bahamontes, Anquetil all openly took drugs. Jacques Anquetil of France never hid that he took drugs - a common practice at the time - and in a debate with a government minister on French television said that only a fool would imagine it was possible to ride Bordeaux-Paris on just water. He and other cyclists had to ride through "the cold, through heat waves, in the rain and in the mountains", and they had the right to treat themselves as they wished, he said in a television interview, before adding: "Leave me in peace; everybody takes dope." (from Wikipedia entry on doping in cycling). And Merckx. Maertens, and Zoetemelk in the 70's, Fignon, Delgado, Sean Kelly in the 80's, Pantani (and many others) in the 90's, etc., etc.
PED's has been pervasive in cycling for many years but, apparently, it's Armstrong who is the most vilified -- no doubt, for having vociferously denying doing so.
Look dope was equal, what the other riders didn't have was the road set to be what he became. Period! He had it, he knew they trained lazy. Dude without dope and given that focus and his hard work he would have been top 5 natural. Dudes the hardest, ambitious, that had all a gain to be the best, he is the best of the tour. I lol now like I did then at Jan, Jan and the rest except Beloki where happy with riding they hated training and they were thinking about there paper thin career against the vultures that owned them . Lance was free
This was INCREDIBLE. And recognize that every single rider you see in this video WAS DOPING, so that issue is completely moot.
None at the level of Lance
They were doing on completely different levels. Armstrong spent millions per year on doping.
They were doing on completely different levels. Armstrong spent millions per year on doping.
@@floriank6521 ja they did it at different levels like the Festina team which had a trunk full (a trunk full of blood)..... Ja mmmmmmm they did it at different levels. The only level that was different was Lance was more shrewed.
His doping was another level 4:11
pokerface all drugged up...deceiving everyone ...the only really beautiful and elegant aspect is the commentary fm Paul and Phil.
Cyclist go 1. Lance Armstrong
2. Dylan Johnson
3. Eddie Merckx
If all where clean he still would have won. He is the best cyclist there ever was, period.
Ker Oner He was the greatest cheater there ever was, period.
AMEN!
@@wtookey oh stop, you know damn well they were all cheating. Urich’s bug ass was never natty
😂🤣
Lance looks way better and more powerful on a bike than Pogi.
drugs or not you still have to be something special to do this.
pplpilot 👎
..."druggin' " or not...tell me it was Electric watching these kick battles compared to what we have recently watched
What an EPIC stage this was. Who cares If they were doped? It was such a great Tour and this unbelievable stage. These two guys still were the Best of them all. And will ever be!
Right!! If they ALL doped doesnt that just level the field anyway. And the ones that werent, if there was any, didnt have what it takes to win anyway. Lance rode the miles, he changed every aspect to the Tour, he trained harder and using meds or not he was not going to lose because he was physically stronger than anyone, physically and mentally. The tactics were like no other sport!! The way he played possom, or the look at Ullrich to see if he was able to follow then launch like a mad man! He broke the will of everyone, and if someone tried Lance went harder until they gave up. Lance was the Tour. His team helped too but he was just better.
@@kingtungstenworldwide4472 He didn't train harder, he had a team of scientists making better drugs. That doesn't make him better - you can argue his suppliers were better, but he was not.
@@DSBSB tdf wss not olympic, so the Russians were not investing ($/dope) in it.
Indurain was the best when he was on his peak
Who cares if they were doped? Apparently a whole lot of people, including me.
Climbing in the drops like a true badass
Lol even the usps domestiques are sprinting up the mountain.
What a great achievement... for the pharmaceutical industry.
people who say cycling is boring need to watch stuff like this. ;p long live cycling like this and commentators like ligget and sherwen, the best!! :P
I don't think you can really appreciate watching sports like this unless you have done it yourself and experienced the pain and suffering, the mind games you play with yourself, the fatigue and exhaustion, the aching back and hands and neck etc. Forcing yourself to keep going despite your body screaming at you to stop. You can't appreciate what they are going through unless you have experienced it. Same as with any sport.
Lance spinning high cadence, everyone else grinding. Fast forward to current, all climbers spin high cadence! He changed the game…
Froomey is the ONLY one with a truly high cadence tho. Most pure climbers spin big gears. They prefer power over cardio
@@kenkaniff8428 In this years tour you can see that top guys spin high candence, even Wout!
@@margusmikson794 I always have my eye on cadence. It's something I always look at ironically and I didn't notice any really high cadence. I am ALWAYS fascinated these guys push such big gears in the high mountains so I didn't see a really high cadence. Nothing like how Froomey rides. Thats a super high cadence. I did notice some lower gears being used on occasion but they were at an almost 20% incline. I just didn't notice a really high cadence. When I refer to "high cadence" I'm basing it from Froomeys style of cadence. Very high
@@kenkaniff8428 you're right they don't spin as high as Lance or Froome. Not always big gears but not the kind of cadence we saw from those two.
@@starlitshadows I don't really know why I say this but a higher cadence is the exact style you would expect to see in dopers in many cases. The extra oxygen in the blood or the TUEs given for things like asthma that allow the bronchi to open up so one can breathe better helps them spin a higher cadence and gives them longer endurance. Really high cadence CAN be a sign of PEDs or abuse of TUE's
I miss the doping era....so much fun to watch as most were doing it.
Ulrich, are you coming or not....NOT
we need to go back to no helmets sometimes. much better to see the riders
Can't believe he did that on a Schwinn Varsity. LOL. Just kidding.
Lance Armstrong is..a seven times TDF WINNER. He smoked everyone in Peleton.
Nope. He's just a dirty drug cheat
Para mi el mejor de todos los tiempos en la subida los largaba a todos digan lo que digan de el ciclista completo contra reloj subida bajada tenian que controlar a todos del dopin
Tour de France blows now
Miss lance, Jan, basso etc....
Do People really think that it was only Lance who took EPO !?? REALLY DO YEZ / THEY !!??
No of course not. Most of the top riders at that time doped. Lance gets the hate he does because of the way he treated anyone who questioned if he was clean. Bullying, threatening and intimidating anyone through even slightly doubted him being clean while he was doped to the eyeballs. He's an absolute piece of shit
Amazing. Just pure strength and endurance.
You mean pure PED's
A climb nonpareil in racing. One for the ages by Lance. Great commentary to boot!
Idc what others say he's the greatest cyclist ever.
he never won any races you idiot...eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist of all time won almost 600.
He is not
Brutal el aguante que tiene de pie después de una etapa tan larga.... Eso no es humano
Quando i drogati si sapeva chi erano....ora vai a trovarli
yeah.... so as everybody else....there was absolutely no advantage....if you knew a thing or two you would know he was extremely good...
Armstrong was no climber without the juice.
"NOT ON DOPE" :-)))))))))))))))))))))))
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
How ever viewed, this was a smart move by Lance. Played coy, then pounced on his opponents.
And Indurain played it boring most of the time as well. Again, doped to the gills as well.
Lance and co detected that Telecom was listening to the Postal radio traffic, so they decided to pass some false info. Worked very well me thinks.
Man, that sweet EPO hits HAAAARD!!!
Truly at the top of his game!
Absolute LEGEND lance was absolutely awesome doping doesn't turn a donkey into a race horse.Para
Cheat. Cheat. CHEAT.
fact is so was half the peleton on drugs awesome awesome awesome lance,para
Beat everyone and cancer.
In those days you either got on the train or you were left at the station. 100% of the other riders were just as guilty! LANCE IS STILL A HERO TOO ME!
Thank you bless you
So you condone cheating, bullying, threatening and intimidating people then? You sound just as much of a moron as Armstrong tbh
On devrait interdire des vidéos de drogués sur RUclips
My heros livestrong 4 life
It was impossible to win without cheating when Armstrong was riding. They were all cheating. Now hopefully they have it under control. Hopefully.
Lance is best of best
unbelievable ! he is going as if he's on flats
Today the riders are clean😂
The levels of testing they go through now makes it impossible for anyone to dope and not get caught
The Bluff: 0:00 The Look: 1:50 The Win: 6:30 this will never get old
Pure class. Go Lance!
jer terr Guy is cheating. he admitted he cheated, but your saying "pure class?" Makes no sense, seems like the opposite of class, cheating and then lying about it is class to you???
Worth it to hear the great Phil Liggett.
No helmets 😮
He approached the Tour with such focus: unrelenting training and the finest pharmaceuticals
brilliant tactics by the postal service team and armstrong!!
not on dope seriously ? xD
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The interview with John Tomac … "Everybody was doing it". John made a choice not to.
He knew he didn't have a chance. Even doped.
@@FB1BB1BB1 I don't buy that. He chose not to. It was simple. JT had as good a shot as anybody .
Riders are allowed to take off their helmets during the final climb of a race as long as the finish is at the top of that climb.
Nobody used helmet.. why..?
UCI didn't make it mandatory back then. Wearing helmets was optional but riders prefer it off.
The look
Armstrong is the best cyclist of all time. Everyone he was riding against was doping as well. The older riders back in the day REALLY were doping and use amphetamines, it's a wonder more didn't drop dead on the bike. He turned into Icarus, flew too high, but he won fair and square each of his Tours.
Cheating is not winning fair and square
@@alanrobinson7891 Respectfully, I understand your point of view, i just disagree. All were breaking the rules then. It was shameful and to flagrantly lie about it was worse - but Lance Armstrong is the greatest cyclist of all time, period.
@@24kachina regardless if they were all breaking the rules or not, cheating is cheating. Either way lance is nowhere near the greatest of all time
@@24kachina if everyone raced clean, lance would never have won the tour. not everyone is affected by EPO equally; if you are less physically talented (low blood cell count) you get greater benefits from EPO.
life isn't fair. lance wasn't a naturally gifted cyclist. he just wasn't born with the physiology for it. he had a good body for EPO which is why he dominated an era in which PEDs were king.
he also had a cut throat mindset which made him capable of going to extremes to win. this allowed him to set up the best doping program for himself and his team. unfortunately his mindset and behavior led to the destruction of many lives and careers.
@@hugejackedman1951 Sorry, and respectfully, but you dont know what youre talking about. He was born a physically gifted athlete. He was a world class triathlete as a teenager - no doping. We can all agree he was a total liar and asshole but objectively he was the best grand tour cylclist ever - regardless of doping.
Can’t believe how fast he was going
Not hard to believe with PED's