I track a gen 2 manual whipple , I corner the car at 2,500 and change gear at 6,500 ( you have to say away from the limiter) pulling out of corners at those revs you can steer the car with your foot , a lower gear just lights the tyres , using lower revs solves heat soak and hood vents. Go with whipple all day long and it looks better. As Alex says it’s not about HP it’s about performance, good vid 👍
I've had a roots for more than 10 years and have ran 10.82 at 124mph on 5 pounds, it's got super torque and response but runs out in the mid range and zero top end, currently i have a f1a94 waiting to get done, we shall see...
The ProCharger builds more power with more RPM. You get a tune and you can pull 8k with your mustang and the ProCharger will keep you in the meat of the power. The ProCharger is more friendly on your rotating assembly cuz you aren't slamming a ton of boost on your engine at low RPM. The Whipple or VMP will give you great instant power. They also sound pretty good too. If traction is a problem the ProCharger might be better if you are worried about 0-60 times.
There is pluses and minuses to both, the Whipple means instant torque and power, the Procharger is more fuel efficient. If you look at the horsepower curve when the engine is revving between 6500 to 7500 RPM the horsepower is pretty close. The Whipple would be more fun to just drive around and do quick accelerations.
I think the tvs is better myself. The new 2650s are very efficient and make even more badass torque than the Whipple does and they can keep up on making power too especially on a pump gas stock motor setup. They can put in work max effort as well but for an average stock motor setup the tvs is better imo.
Did a 3L Whipple with 132mm TB on my 10R80 2020 GT. Threw on a Reische 170 deg thermostat and FI interchiller, full exhaust plus OPG&CS I can roll race it or canyon drive it all day. Cylinder head temps no higher than 185-190 under load and I do not feel any heat soak. The low and mid range torque is awesome. Had it done when 3 years ago when it had only 3000 miles on the clock honestly hasn’t skipped a beat. Probably because it only is tuned for 661 hp at the wheels.
How about a super-low-RPM truck-oriented camshaft that really bolsters the bottom-end flow combined with a procharger? Like WWII airplane engines, the centrifugal blower would take care of the top end. One of the nice things about a centrifugal supercharger is that you can cam the engine for rock-bottom torque then let the supercharger flatten the torque curve all the way across the RPM band. The ProCharger can have a higher gear ratio/pulley put on it to immediately bolster torque across the board, also. It's easy to tune in the pressure versus RPM sense.
@@JakeTiesler Fuel mileage takes a back sat to FUN, but a low-RPM engine will get better fuel mileage than a whizzing high-RPM engine, if the gearing is changed to match it to loafing revs on the freeways.
Oh yeah, ProCharger all the way. Can't win without traction. Same peak power, more usable powerband, 10 speed to keep it up there when you're actually racing, more stable/less stress when normal driving, more fuel efficient. No downsides. If you get one with straight-cut gears, it'll even sound cool. Edit: well, if that's what you want, then. It's your car.
The tvs and whipples pull plenty up top too it's not the old days when you're talking about an 03 cobra supercharger they have really came a long ways. They have killer torque and work well (especially the tvs) with a manual or stock stalled auto. You can have traction with these blowers if you have a good tire and suspension. Yea it's easier to plant a centri it's more linear and very low torque down low and on the hit.
I’m running 661 hp at the wheels on my whipple 10r80 GT. Full bmr rear plus wavetrack differential plus 315 x 30 x r888r on rear and the thing now hooks 100% in 3rd from 45mph and stays straight. Its taken me 3 years to find this awesome street traction combo!
With a centrifugal blower. And a manual car just change the rear gears. In my Firehawk I had 342 and went to 390 and now it’s a brutal car. I think the centrifugal is more like the NA car as far as linear smooth power. Change some gears and get in the boost quicker with a manual. Just my 2 cents
Have a TT 03 cobra and love it... Also own a 2015 gt with a gen5 3.0l stage 2 whipple. Fun as hell to drive... in the process of building my 92 foxbody with a built 363ci and have a f1 pro charger for it. Im assuming it will be just as fun as the other 2 but will be able to give a personal opinion once its done and running
I get the cool factor of blowing the tires off but two issues with that! One! Anytime your tires are spinning you are on the brink of losing control of the car it only takes a second! Second! Is whilst you’re blowing your tires off that car with half the power in a street application is spanking your ass because he’s moving forward and you’re looking cool spinning! A centrifugal blower works better in so many ways! It’s easier on the internal engine parts and you won’t need a full drag suspension to get the car moving! These engines are high RPM engines and you want to build boost linear with RPM! There are also much more efficient and take less horsepower to turn the blower! And the centrifuges are much cheaper too! But either way there both going to make great power I would want the usable power if I’m spending that kind of money!
Its taken me 3 years to get good street traction on my whippled 10r80. The last mod 2 months ago solved that, its called wavetrac diff. Of course I have done the suspension and running 315 x 30 x 20 r888r tyres on back. The car stays straight even when it spins.
Procharger or any centrifugal supercharger (ie. ESS, Vortech, Paxton, etc...) would be a better choice for road racing, roll racing, or 1/2-mile racing since it pulls like a freight train in the higher RPM range. Whipple or any positive displacement supercharger (ie. VMP, Edelbrock, Kenne Bell, etc...) would be a more fun street car and a better 1/4-mile or less drag car because of the torque advantage in the lower RPM range.
That's what I thought...wrong....way wrong. I hate my ess tuning g3x supercharger with the g4 heat exchanger. Sure you get nice power...like at freaking redline. I want power now,not way up in the powerband. Centrifugal superchargers are freaking boring pos'.
@charleshenson4183 What did I say that wasn't factual? I specified what type of supercharger for each type of racing. If you're only drag racing or only want street car, of course a positive displacement blower is going to be better due to the flat torque curve. Did you read my entire comment...lol?
I really did a Stage1 no supercharger or turbo and it was an interesting result. I don't know if it's very real, but I noticed an increase in Torque, I imagine with whipple it would be much more
Question: What does the Whipple do inertia wise with a manual trans? My SuperCoupe back in the day seemed slow to shift and would sometimes catch a tooth when shifting.. The motor rotating inertia is increased so when dropping the accelerator to shift it doesn't seem to shift as quick. Any comment or was the SuperCoupe transmission loosing syncros? The supercharger increased rotating inertia does something. Manual used to be faster with less loss, but an auto will nearly always beat a manual these days. Trying to hold onto my 6 spd.
Interesting point, was it in the tune like rev hang, my 2015 use to do this between shifts That wouldn’t be as fun, you’d want it to drive normally but what year was your car and setup?
And those Camaros weigh soo much more than a mustang. Weight vs HP is the mathematical equation. It’s called science pal. 300 HP IN a mini cooper will beat a most stock 450 hp cars at the track
I track a gen 2 manual whipple , I corner the car at 2,500 and change gear at 6,500 ( you have to say away from the limiter) pulling out of corners at those revs you can steer the car with your foot , a lower gear just lights the tyres , using lower revs solves heat soak and hood vents. Go with whipple all day long and it looks better. As Alex says it’s not about HP it’s about performance, good vid 👍
I've had a roots for more than 10 years and have ran 10.82 at 124mph on 5 pounds, it's got super torque and response but runs out in the mid range and zero top end, currently i have a f1a94 waiting to get done, we shall see...
The ProCharger builds more power with more RPM. You get a tune and you can pull 8k with your mustang and the ProCharger will keep you in the meat of the power. The ProCharger is more friendly on your rotating assembly cuz you aren't slamming a ton of boost on your engine at low RPM.
The Whipple or VMP will give you great instant power. They also sound pretty good too.
If traction is a problem the ProCharger might be better if you are worried about 0-60 times.
There is pluses and minuses to both, the Whipple means instant torque and power, the Procharger is more fuel efficient. If you look at the horsepower curve when the engine is revving between 6500 to 7500 RPM the horsepower is pretty close. The Whipple would be more fun to just drive around and do quick accelerations.
I think the tvs is better myself. The new 2650s are very efficient and make even more badass torque than the Whipple does and they can keep up on making power too especially on a pump gas stock motor setup. They can put in work max effort as well but for an average stock motor setup the tvs is better imo.
@@midnight347 my buddy keeps talking about the TVS torque and how much id like it haha
Did a 3L Whipple with 132mm TB on my 10R80 2020 GT. Threw on a Reische 170 deg thermostat and FI interchiller, full exhaust plus OPG&CS I can roll race it or canyon drive it all day. Cylinder head temps no higher than 185-190 under load and I do not feel any heat soak. The low and mid range torque is awesome. Had it done when 3 years ago when it had only 3000 miles on the clock honestly hasn’t skipped a beat. Probably because it only is tuned for 661 hp at the wheels.
Love it, sounds like a dream to drive. How’s the transmission holding up?
661hp sounds like u r running a Stage 2 on a Whipple tune. Pulley size?
@@todd5082 custom tuned (pcmtec multi tune now) on big fuel system with still 3.75 pulley, 690 WHP on 93 and 791 whp on e85
How about a super-low-RPM truck-oriented camshaft that really bolsters the bottom-end flow combined with a procharger? Like WWII airplane engines, the centrifugal blower would take care of the top end.
One of the nice things about a centrifugal supercharger is that you can cam the engine for rock-bottom torque then let the supercharger flatten the torque curve all the way across the RPM band.
The ProCharger can have a higher gear ratio/pulley put on it to immediately bolster torque across the board, also. It's easy to tune in the pressure versus RPM sense.
Yeah I like the torque boosters also!
@@JakeTiesler Fuel mileage takes a back sat to FUN, but a low-RPM engine will get better fuel mileage than a whizzing high-RPM engine, if the gearing is changed to match it to loafing revs on the freeways.
Oh yeah, ProCharger all the way. Can't win without traction. Same peak power, more usable powerband, 10 speed to keep it up there when you're actually racing, more stable/less stress when normal driving, more fuel efficient.
No downsides. If you get one with straight-cut gears, it'll even sound cool.
Edit: well, if that's what you want, then. It's your car.
I’ve wanted one since the fox body days haha
The tvs and whipples pull plenty up top too it's not the old days when you're talking about an 03 cobra supercharger they have really came a long ways. They have killer torque and work well (especially the tvs) with a manual or stock stalled auto. You can have traction with these blowers if you have a good tire and suspension. Yea it's easier to plant a centri it's more linear and very low torque down low and on the hit.
I’m running 661 hp at the wheels on my whipple 10r80 GT. Full bmr rear plus wavetrack differential plus 315 x 30 x r888r on rear and the thing now hooks 100% in 3rd from 45mph and stays straight. Its taken me 3 years to find this awesome street traction combo!
With a centrifugal blower. And a manual car just change the rear gears. In my Firehawk I had 342 and went to 390 and now it’s a brutal car. I think the centrifugal is more like the NA car as far as linear smooth power. Change some gears and get in the boost quicker with a manual. Just my 2 cents
So what tires can hold that power at 3k? People forget you damn near need race slicks to not spin off line.
Add a ice tank or chiller or killer combo of both and that whipple go ice cold
Have a TT 03 cobra and love it... Also own a 2015 gt with a gen5 3.0l stage 2 whipple. Fun as hell to drive... in the process of building my 92 foxbody with a built 363ci and have a f1 pro charger for it. Im assuming it will be just as fun as the other 2 but will be able to give a personal opinion once its done and running
ProCharger FTW
I get the cool factor of blowing the tires off but two issues with that! One! Anytime your tires are spinning you are on the brink of losing control of the car it only takes a second! Second! Is whilst you’re blowing your tires off that car with half the power in a street application is spanking your ass because he’s moving forward and you’re looking cool spinning! A centrifugal blower works better in so many ways! It’s easier on the internal engine parts and you won’t need a full drag suspension to get the car moving! These engines are high RPM engines and you want to build boost linear with RPM! There are also much more efficient and take less horsepower to turn the blower! And the centrifuges are much cheaper too! But either way there both going to make great power I would want the usable power if I’m spending that kind of money!
I’d like to drive both, anyone?!
Its taken me 3 years to get good street traction on my whippled 10r80. The last mod 2 months ago solved that, its called wavetrac diff. Of course I have done the suspension and running 315 x 30 x 20 r888r tyres on back. The car stays straight even when it spins.
Do note that the procharger is Nick-named the "crank snapper"
Procharger or any centrifugal supercharger (ie. ESS, Vortech, Paxton, etc...) would be a better choice for road racing, roll racing, or 1/2-mile racing since it pulls like a freight train in the higher RPM range. Whipple or any positive displacement supercharger (ie. VMP, Edelbrock, Kenne Bell, etc...) would be a more fun street car and a better 1/4-mile or less drag car because of the torque advantage in the lower RPM range.
That's what I thought...wrong....way wrong.
I hate my ess tuning g3x supercharger with the g4 heat exchanger.
Sure you get nice power...like at freaking redline.
I want power now,not way up in the powerband.
Centrifugal superchargers are freaking boring pos'.
@charleshenson4183 What did I say that wasn't factual? I specified what type of supercharger for each type of racing. If you're only drag racing or only want street car, of course a positive displacement blower is going to be better due to the flat torque curve. Did you read my entire comment...lol?
Great take on the differences. Appreciate the content.
Thanks for stopping by 🙌🙌🙌
I really did a Stage1 no supercharger or turbo and it was an interesting result. I don't know if it's very real, but I noticed an increase in Torque, I imagine with whipple it would be much more
The coyote is fast either way, loves the boost - can’t go wrong
Question: What does the Whipple do inertia wise with a manual trans? My SuperCoupe back in the day seemed slow to shift and would sometimes catch a tooth when shifting.. The motor rotating inertia is increased so when dropping the accelerator to shift it doesn't seem to shift as quick. Any comment or was the SuperCoupe transmission loosing syncros? The supercharger increased rotating inertia does something. Manual used to be faster with less loss, but an auto will nearly always beat a manual these days. Trying to hold onto my 6 spd.
Interesting point, was it in the tune like rev hang, my 2015 use to do this between shifts
That wouldn’t be as fun, you’d want it to drive normally but what year was your car and setup?
The lightweight cars like the 2010 Toyota Prius and the Fiesta ST are great for the canyons. The Dyno numbers don't matter
Haha that’s right
Let’s run the Tail of the Dragon and I’d say my Procharger dominates a Whipple. Cool video!
i'm going ESS in a couple of years with my '21 Mach 1 A10. Spinin ain't winnin.
Installed a d1x on my 22 mach1 944 whp on e85
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Whipple is early to the party and belligerent. Supercharger or turbo is late to the party but very well dressed.
Well done
Why u wanna blow the tires off? Spinning aint winnin. You blow the tires off a centri will take u to Gapplebees
And those Camaros weigh soo much more than a mustang. Weight vs HP is the mathematical equation. It’s called science pal. 300 HP IN a mini cooper will beat a most stock 450 hp cars at the track
Spinning ain't winning
If you are still in Commiefornia, any good shops in southern Cal? I'm looking at doing some work on my 2021 GT
Back in Nashville Tennessee now - hit me on Instagram if you need help finding someone out there
Go watch the video of a 2018 procharged mustang gt blow the doors off Demonology demon car at the dragstrip. That alone debunks ur theory
I prefer Whipple sounds
You're right you don't know
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Picking on my car 😢😢😢😢
Love your car bro! I want a procharger for mine!
Update...... Up to 730RWHP
Let's get rid of all your mouth noises! Turn your mic down or get a pop filter so we don't have to listen to your saliva