The best thing I ever read years ago (when there was no media like we have today...gosh I wish we had) was makeing the right thing to do the easiest thing to do. All I had at the time was Western Horseman to help me. When my quarter horse was reining hard to the right I road him straight into a fence and pulled to the right. Supriseing how that worked and how soft he became. When he had a hard time accepting the bit I put honey on the bit for a few bridleings and I ended up with a horse that lowered his head and picked up the bit on his own. He was a great horse, so forgiving of my ignorance.
If he brings the same intensity to a job that he does to resisting he'll be awesome. I look forward to watching his inevitable transformation. He just doesn't quite understand yet that the Tim is aboard and his life is about to change.
Standing in mud is wonderful for a horse during hot humid weather. Some folks flood the area around the water trough so the horses can get a good hoof soak. One of my horses is sore now because of the hot humid weather and I didn’t think to tie her in a mud puddle. Baby powder works on squeaky saddles. I had to use it on my show saddle. You are absolutely right when you asses this horse with teenage stubbornness and pouty behaviour. It will be very interesting to see the progress on this guy. I’m glad you didn’t get hit by that awful hurricane 👍👍
6:02 Anyone who observes this so-called horse trainer inflicting harm on a horse while equipped with spurs and believes this constitutes appropriate training is misguided. The term "applying pressure" ultimately means inflicting pain. It is not necessary to cause suffering to a horse to achieve compliance with commands. That is a common misconception. Gaining a horse's respect is sufficient for them to respond to your requests. By earning a horse's respect, one can successfully encourage them to follow instructions. Do a search here on RUclips for the channel "barryhook2" and go watch his videos to learn the proper way to train a horse. 🤦♀️
My horse was a head tosser and occasionally he takes a notion and will try me again. I just keep asking for forward and the head will stop. I didn’t have access to a professional trainer so I read watched your videos and taught my horse it isn’t easy but I have a loyal trusted companion that’s sane and safe. You’re right it takes MILES in the saddle and consistency in what you’re asking horse to do
We decided to sell our half-draft mare that used spooking to intimidate us. She dumped me and two other people. We are all good, experienced riders and at 66 this was not something I was prepared to deal with. Her new owner got her number right away and they are doing great together.
Totally agree, we had an Appaloosa mare who reared, I couldn’t take the risk so sold her- she did really well with a 6 ft 12 stone polo rider on her- she could turn on a sixpence but not lift up high to rear.
I have a Tennessee Walking Horse that would throw her head like that. My niece rode this horse, and with constant riding, her head tossing quit. I thought it was the bit, saddle, etc. It was just the horse not wanting to be ridden. After trail riding her, the horse gave up the head tossing, and now trail rides very nice with no head tossing.
Wow! This is so much like my horse! I think he came from the same situation as Rocky! It was so amazing to watch this! He gets tossing his head like that. I've been using more leg to drive & flexing his head to the inside of the circle to build rein contact. Mine is a tennessee walker. Rocky reminds me of this.
When I was a kid I started riding my Dads mare. We had some family at the house for a cookout. I pulled the mare up to a stump to get on her, dad asked why’d I do that. I told him that she kicked when I tried to use the stirrups, that didn’t go well with him. He was cooking so my uncle got me off and worked with her. She cow kicked him also. I don’t remember what took place but she never did it again. Just goes to show how bad behavior can get started with a 5 yr old.
So good! Thanks Tim for sharing with us a tough training issue. I have seen this behavior with a number of horses I have owned and have been thwarted by it, not knowing how to overcome it. Knowing that I am part of the problem is very helpful.
From the south of England to the people worried about mud "Bless your heart" come to England in winter and have a look at the horses in muddy fields all winter 😅
I appreciate your patience and persistence with Rocky. I have a horse that would toss her head and had her checked by the vet and all was good, so I ignored the behavior, and it did go away. However, she spooks from time to try to intimidate but I do make a point to ride her through it so she doesn't think she's getting away with anything. Looking forward to seeing Rocky's progress.
Yes Melinda i agree . i remember my children would shut the door harder than usual. lol. After a while then learned they got more chores to do. Thank Tim and Melinda for video..🤣🤣😂
Ohoho, this sort of 'spookiness' was a _very_ common issue with the ponies I used to rehab. They 'spook' on purpose as a successful evasion technique, because they get a reward (return to stable or field, rider gets off, even gives them a treat! etc) when they do that. It's VERY different to a pony who spooks because of surprise or fear, or lack of habituation, and needs to be dealt with very differently. Lots of _steady_ work - (and steady work is not really much effort, at least mentally) helped mitigate the problem, and when that was accepted, _then_ we could start the more interesting and challenging stuff. I liked to put the miles on them by driving, if possible, when they were under about 13hh. Although I was small and lightweight, the future small child rider would not have anything like the same degree of ability or strength to use their legs when riding as I had as an adult, so driving was a useful approximation.
Definitely gaited. Probably TWH. He is gaiting to get away from the bit, and doing what you are telling him to do. He is not in pain. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to bite your boots. If he was in a leverage bit, he'd be grabbing the shank to try to take control. Standing in the mud some more wouldn't hurt him at all.
He looks like a toddler or teenager having a temper tantrum. Our young 1/2 arab 1/2 TB cross always said No. This was interesting to see how you addressed it. My horse, who is a foxtrotter/qh/draft cross thinks he can intimidate you but as soon as you call his bluff he is fine. It has taken me 8 years to figure him out. The snaffle bit you recommended for him has worked out great. He loves it.
I am so glad you have entered this horses life. In the end his life will improve and he will only have you, and this owners who sent him too you, to thank. I wondered if he would get stumbled footed. I had a horse that had learned if he stumbled a few times all work would end.
Your training methods remind me of my Dad's. He showed me how to handle my horse correctly when she was 4 and rebellious. She and i had 30 years together, and while she was always ready to give me a hard time, Dad always said I was the right person for her. Thanks for all the videos!
QUESSING ...Palomino Quarter Horse ? Also just want to say Tim... I enjoy your channel one of my top 3 horse trainer channels , your channel shows more of the different breeds and gives more knowledge/information on them and on how to read the horses body language/movements. Very entertaining! 💯👍
Agree....spoiled, No rules Home & does what he wants, when he wants, & hes lazy. Got the right guy on him now. He will Learn & he will get with the program. Great Job❤
No idea on breed but wanted to say as someone who has a horse who tries to intimidate I appreciate this video. It is amazing how my horse can be balky and irritable sometimes when we start our ride but once he accepts that we ARE going to do what I ask he is forward and willing! It usually just takes about the first 5 minutes of our ride. Like a Jekkyl & Hyde..... Oh how I hope it isn't forever but it may just be him. No matter, we are going to do what I want and just keep on keeping on. This video says I am on the right track. I keep my horses at home and as the sole caregiver I know he isn't hurting, just a dominant personality. Sorry to tell him I have the same personality! Amazing how much energy they can put into saying no.
My current horse was pretty spoiled and tried to intimidate me, but once I figured out he was really not out to hurt me we have been able to work through it. He has accepted my leadership and we are enjoying our rides together now. If he does pretend to be scared, two or three tight 'knock it off' circles helps his mind get right again.
6:02 Anyone who observes this so-called horse trainer inflicting harm on a horse while equipped with spurs and believes this constitutes appropriate training is misguided. The term "applying pressure" ultimately means inflicting pain. It is not necessary to cause suffering to a horse to achieve compliance with commands. That is a common misconception. Gaining a horse's respect is sufficient for them to respond to your requests. By earning a horse's respect, one can successfully encourage them to follow instructions. Do a search here on RUclips for the channel "barryhook2" and go watch his videos to learn the proper way to train a horse. 🤦♀️
I completely agree with the captioned remarks; Rocky's not truly "spooky", he's just faking it to get out of work and acting like a balky teenager who's been a bit spoiled. I also agree with Tim that he needs a few good sweaty saddlepads; after a while, Rocky will figure out that fighting is harder than working.
this horse is not much of a people person. In fact he is so damned annoying that he would convince me to put him away and not ride. He is like being in a crowded, noisy restaurant. He creates so much distraction and tension for his rider.
standing in the mud can be great for the feet. It is why people let their water tanks overflow- so the horses will have to stand in mud while drinking.
It was nice to see Rocky's demeanor change once he knew you were not going to give up asking for forward.The first few minutes he looked like he might throw a buck! 🤣🤣🐎That would be too much like hard work !
My horse Willy is like this. Very stubborn lol but with me he is a perfect little angel. He just needed the right person who showed dedication. We put cocky riders on him when they come for riding lessons now haha.
This is exactly the issues I have with my horse, primarily because I'm unable to get out riding him enough and put the miles on him. He throws tantrums like this continually and it's s chore to ride him for me, when I've got limited time to spend. Hoping to get out with him more over the winter and put some regular work to him. Thanks for the vid Tim.
I’m sending you my Arab/MFT after the 1st of 2025 somehow. I couldn’t handle the heat this summer. I almost passed out while riding 2 times. Will be getting back on him as soon as I get the storm debris under control here in north Florida and it cools down a tad more. Added: He’s gotten better at the mounting block than Rocky is but he tries me. Been watching you for over a year now and it’s helped me so much. Mine just needs more wet blankets too.
Rocky has a whole repertoire of behaviors to test to see which one is going to work. He’s definitely beginning to see there’s a new Sheriff in town. 😂 He forgets himself every now and then and lets the good horse out!
I do hear you say that he is not in pain but I have an incredibly difficult time believing that. Especially because the gaitedness makes his hind end movement look pretty insane. If he really is not in pain, then someone has REALLY thoroughly accidentally trained him to be like this. The few horses that I have ever seen be like this at all were all hurting somewhere, latest case was quite sore in both front knees. I guess if he is not sore now, maybe he was at some point and learned this behaviour then.
6:02 Anyone who observes this so-called horse trainer inflicting harm on a horse while equipped with spurs and believes this constitutes appropriate training is misguided. The term "applying pressure" ultimately means inflicting pain. It is not necessary to cause suffering to a horse to achieve compliance with commands. That is a common misconception. Gaining a horse's respect is sufficient for them to respond to your requests. By earning a horse's respect, one can successfully encourage them to follow instructions. Do a search here on RUclips for the channel "barryhook2" and go watch his videos to learn the proper way to train a horse. 🤦♀️
Yep! I caught that behavior with my mate and she will get hammered hard for it. It started when I came off her in the way back from a trail ride . She flipped out a couple more times but I started working through it and started staying on. Now she’ll do arena laps and rollbacks for spooking if she does. I’m at a zero tolerance level with her when she does that.
Leading my horse through the arena he will stop and stretch out as to pee he knows I will stop and wait on him so now he will do it multiple times I’m now wise to hm and will make him move his feet
Bought a senior thoroughbred who tossed his head violently one day, and other refusals. Fortunately I did quit riding him, turned out he had significant kissing spine in several places. Now he is just a pasture pet/ buddy - glad I didn't push it.
If he were to start running- would you shut him down and then continue or would you make him just keep going and ride it-if of course you felt safe-thanks so much
He looks so much like a toddler that has been told NO and is just gearing up to throw a full blown tantrum. It could go either way at this point. He is trying every passive way he knows to get you to back down. They have probably worked for him with other riders. Nice looking horse, spoiled disposition! Stay safe!
My experience is most horses with bad behaviors from hurting, were pretty good ones beforehand. They usually have riders who can’t tell or don’t care about all the subtle signs they’re giving, until the horse refuses. Good example is the barrel horse, trail, roping, etc., that’s always been willing, but starts stubbing up, bucks or whatever. This horse is just a bratty teenager that’s probably had rider get off him when he starts being a brat. Well, Rocky, say hello to uncle Tim who doesn’t play that 😂
A habit that I am struggling with my mare is her chomping. She only does this when I ask for something that she doesn't understand or doesn't want to do. This past Saturday, I was asking her to slow down on the trail. When I lift the reins, she will slow her stride, but because she doesn't want to slow down, she will start to chomp. I held my hands there until she stopped chomping and slowed and then I'd release. She'd just go back to her quick stride and we'd start all over again. We did this for quite a while, but we didn't make much progress. Any suggestions to get her to quit chomping?
The saddle creaking sounds like he is complaining… question-do you ever use a crop to reinforce your leg in these type of cases vs constantly bumping with your legs? I love strawberry roans.
I live in rural mexico and bought a horse that is trying to boss me around. Unfortunately I have no access to a round pen, only the beach. Can I still get him to respect me doing the lunging at the beach?
We picked up a paint mare for $100. Because her owners were afraid of her.. she had a bunch of things she would pull to get people off her. After a couple of weeks of not getting her way and tack that fit stopped all the games. Is Rocky a Missouri Fox Trotter ?
By the way he carries his tail high, he may possibly be half Arabian. Which would explain the bad behavior. My step-mom raises Arabians, so I can make that comment with confidence. I'm sure there may be some sweet Arabians out there. 😊
YES INDDED IM TRAINING MY UNBROKE UNTOUCHED ARABAIAN MARE SAME THING NOW 2YRSIN TRAINING FROM A BITING KICKING DRAGON SHES THE LOVE OF MY HEART NEXT TO MY GELDING WHOM PASSED OM MOTHERS DAY 2YRS AGO
Would you say that you always ignore the head business? My horse is just getting back into training and I have the same thing, plus - gnashing on the bit. Speaking of the bit, how tight do you draw your bits into their mouths - one wrinkle? Thank you!!!
Once I eliminate teeth issues then I ignore head tossing. Ideally I like to adjust the bit about 1/8th inch down from the corners of the mouth. That encourages the horse to hold the bit which is good for communication. The variable that might change that is the structure of the bars and location of K9 teeth. Sometimes because of those you have to adjust the bit up or down. I had a horse a while back that had K9 teeth the required me to raise the bit higher.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Hi Tim! Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed response. The teeth are not the issue any longer. In the Spring - we found out that he had exploded a left lower molar and that it had also impacted the tooth in front of it.... the two teeth were removed on June 4th. I just began riding him again in September. I have owned Shooter for 9 years and he is 19 years old. He had been an Oklahoma ranch horse, then leased out for trail riding in Virginia. When I purchased him, that was what I wanted to do, trail ride forever. However, we ended up moving a number of times and over a nine year period - I probably do not have a total of 30 rides on him. This video said so many things that resonated with my situation.... I need a lot of wet saddle blankets. Shooter also has an old scar, from Okalhoma, all the way across his tongue.... I had been trying to stay out and off of his mouth.... however, no matter that I have consistently done ground work with him, twice a day, I have found that it has NOT translated great to the saddle. I find him to argue about everything. All of the head shaking and gnashing on the bit. Yesterday, just prior to watching your video I had decided enough was enough, and I got after him for the head stuff and made him go. When he refused things, we circled and circled. I should let you know I have been riding since I was a baby. I like horses with go. I am not afraid in the saddle, but just wanted to be a better horsewoman with all of this natural horsemanship stuff. I just turned 64 so also need to be sensible and realistic. Yesterday was a turning point, after watching your video - I am curious about not getting after him for all of the head stuff. It does not intimidate me but is sure annoying. I will check the bit adjustment again - I think I am where you are recommending it should be. Please know that your teaching is making a huge difference for folks like me..... we are trying. I wish I lived closer and we would take lessons from you. I know 19 years old is older than you like to work with - but for Shooter this is really about a refresher. He was really well trained when I purchased him and knew roll backs, single flying lead changes and all sorts of things that I do not know how to do. He was very compliant but is not testing my worthiness and fortitude. Thanks and sending hugs from Colorado!!!!!!!
I noticed this also. He seems to be weak somewhere in the hind end, and if you watch close he's stepping way up under himself with the left hind. It's like the issue is in the right hind and he compensating. It could also be that he's just getting used to carrying weight.
7:16 my boy does not sling his head but he stops at the gate and refuses to move. He moves his shoulder side ways like the horse at the mounting block did, throws his shoulder on his strong side to intimidating me. Im not quick enough to catch him before he gets me to gate..
"Anybidy want to come oil leather?" You offered that once before in a live.... I'm in California, so no. But I think sinking the saddle in a bucket for a couple hours might do the trick. (And yes, I'm kidding!
Definitely not hurting - that is all I want to get my way and do what I want - no work for me ! He's been allowed to do as he pleases. He is gaited and would be nice "when" he learns to do as he's asked. LOL I hate a squeaky saddle - always oiled and baby powdered mine to keep it quiet. He's definitely lazy and has no work ethic except to work to get you to stop so he can go hang with the other horses LOL. Looks like a fox trotter - different hip than a TWH I think.
"Bless your heart" hahahhahahah!
What an attitude! I don’t know a lot about horses but I raised a teenage daughter and I recognize the head tossing..🤣🤣
Yes very similar. 🤣🤣🤣
The best thing I ever read years ago (when there was no media like we have today...gosh I wish we had) was makeing the right thing to do the easiest thing to do. All I had at the time was Western Horseman to help me. When my quarter horse was reining hard to the right I road him straight into a fence and pulled to the right. Supriseing how that worked and how soft he became. When he had a hard time accepting the bit I put honey on the bit for a few bridleings and I ended up with a horse that lowered his head and picked up the bit on his own. He was a great horse, so forgiving of my ignorance.
If he brings the same intensity to a job that he does to resisting he'll be awesome. I look forward to watching his inevitable transformation. He just doesn't quite understand yet that the Tim is aboard and his life is about to change.
LOL For sure !
Yes he has the potential to be a very good horse especially with the right rider.
He's such a good looking little snot! Great job, Tim.
Standing in mud is wonderful for a horse during hot humid weather. Some folks flood the area around the water trough so the horses can get a good hoof soak. One of my horses is sore now because of the hot humid weather and I didn’t think to tie her in a mud puddle. Baby powder works on squeaky saddles. I had to use it on my show saddle. You are absolutely right when you asses this horse with teenage stubbornness and pouty behaviour. It will be very interesting to see the progress on this guy. I’m glad you didn’t get hit by that awful hurricane 👍👍
6:02 Anyone who observes this so-called horse trainer inflicting harm on a horse while equipped with spurs and believes this constitutes appropriate training is misguided.
The term "applying pressure" ultimately means inflicting pain. It is not necessary to cause suffering to a horse to achieve compliance with commands. That is a common misconception.
Gaining a horse's respect is sufficient for them to respond to your requests. By earning a horse's respect, one can successfully encourage them to follow instructions.
Do a search here on RUclips for the channel "barryhook2" and go watch his videos to learn the proper way to train a horse. 🤦♀️
My horse was a head tosser and occasionally he takes a notion and will try me again. I just keep asking for forward and the head will stop. I didn’t have access to a professional trainer so I read watched your videos and taught my horse it isn’t easy but I have a loyal trusted companion that’s sane and safe. You’re right it takes MILES in the saddle and consistency in what you’re asking horse to do
We decided to sell our half-draft mare that used spooking to intimidate us. She dumped me and two other people. We are all good, experienced riders and at 66 this was not something I was prepared to deal with. Her new owner got her number right away and they are doing great together.
Totally agree, we had an Appaloosa mare who reared, I couldn’t take the risk so sold her- she did really well with a 6 ft 12 stone polo rider on her- she could turn on a sixpence but not lift up high to rear.
I have a Tennessee Walking Horse that would throw her head like that.
My niece rode this horse, and with constant riding, her head tossing quit. I thought it was the bit, saddle, etc. It was just the horse not wanting to be ridden. After trail riding her, the horse gave up the head tossing, and now trail rides very nice with no head tossing.
A hundred thumbs up.
he moves like a foxtrotter
Wow! This is so much like my horse! I think he came from the same situation as Rocky! It was so amazing to watch this! He gets tossing his head like that. I've been using more leg to drive & flexing his head to the inside of the circle to build rein contact. Mine is a tennessee walker. Rocky reminds me of this.
Gosh, what a handful. Look forward to seeing his progress
When I was a kid I started riding my Dads mare. We had some family at the house for a cookout. I pulled the mare up to a stump to get on her, dad asked why’d I do that. I told him that she kicked when I tried to use the stirrups, that didn’t go well with him. He was cooking so my uncle got me off and worked with her. She cow kicked him also. I don’t remember what took place but she never did it again. Just goes to show how bad behavior can get started with a 5 yr old.
It was interesting as he started to realize you weren’t changing your mind and he started relaxing, how his stride lengthened and smoothed out.
Yes when he is not fussing he has a nice gait.
There are a lot of people out there that needed to hear what Tim had to say in this video. At one point both Tim and I needed to hear the same thing.
Yes so true!.
Tim you and your advice are appreciated more than I can convey! Thanks so very much🤠🤠!
Thank you!
Your videos give confidence to correct this behaviour in our 19 year old gelding who just doesn’t want to leave his friend. Thanks Tim.
So good! Thanks Tim for sharing with us a tough training issue. I have seen this behavior with a number of horses I have owned and have been thwarted by it, not knowing how to overcome it. Knowing that I am part of the problem is very helpful.
I knew you would get comments about standing in the mud on the tie line,too haha!
From the south of England to the people worried about mud "Bless your heart" come to England in winter and have a look at the horses in muddy fields all winter 😅
I appreciate your patience and persistence with Rocky. I have a horse that would toss her head and had her checked by the vet and all was good, so I ignored the behavior, and it did go away. However, she spooks from time to try to intimidate but I do make a point to ride her through it so she doesn't think she's getting away with anything. Looking forward to seeing Rocky's progress.
I had a Tennessee walking horse, that looked exactly like him. He was a spooky, looky horse, but he taught me lots.
Yes Melinda i agree . i remember my children would shut the door harder than usual. lol. After a while then learned they got more chores to do. Thank Tim and Melinda for video..🤣🤣😂
Ohoho, this sort of 'spookiness' was a _very_ common issue with the ponies I used to rehab. They 'spook' on purpose as a successful evasion technique, because they get a reward (return to stable or field, rider gets off, even gives them a treat! etc) when they do that.
It's VERY different to a pony who spooks because of surprise or fear, or lack of habituation, and needs to be dealt with very differently.
Lots of _steady_ work - (and steady work is not really much effort, at least mentally) helped mitigate the problem, and when that was accepted, _then_ we could start the more interesting and challenging stuff. I liked to put the miles on them by driving, if possible, when they were under about 13hh. Although I was small and lightweight, the future small child rider would not have anything like the same degree of ability or strength to use their legs when riding as I had as an adult, so driving was a useful approximation.
Definitely gaited. Probably TWH. He is gaiting to get away from the bit, and doing what you are telling him to do. He is not in pain. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to bite your boots. If he was in a leverage bit, he'd be grabbing the shank to try to take control. Standing in the mud some more wouldn't hurt him at all.
Yes you're right with all of that.
He looks like a toddler or teenager having a temper tantrum. Our young 1/2 arab 1/2 TB cross always said No. This was interesting to see how you addressed it. My horse, who is a foxtrotter/qh/draft cross thinks he can intimidate you but as soon as you call his bluff he is fine. It has taken me 8 years to figure him out. The snaffle bit you recommended for him has worked out great. He loves it.
I am so glad you have entered this horses life. In the end his life will improve and he will only have you, and this owners who sent him too you, to thank.
I wondered if he would get stumbled footed. I had a horse that had learned if he stumbled a few times all work would end.
He started out pacey but as you worked him the ‘walk’ developed!
Your training methods remind me of my Dad's. He showed me how to handle my horse correctly when she was 4 and rebellious. She and i had 30 years together, and while she was always ready to give me a hard time, Dad always said I was the right person for her. Thanks for all the videos!
I commented on an other Rocky video.. I had this exact new horse.
Guessing he's Rocky Mountain, hence his name.
More likely TWH. Rockies are mostly liver chestnut, rarely this much white.
Tim great educational resource thanks for sharing your knowledge ❤
QUESSING ...Palomino Quarter Horse ? Also just want to say Tim... I enjoy your channel one of my top 3 horse trainer channels , your channel shows more of the different breeds and gives more knowledge/information on them and on how to read the horses body language/movements. Very entertaining! 💯👍
Agree....spoiled, No rules Home & does what he wants, when he wants, & hes lazy.
Got the right guy on him now. He will
Learn & he will get with the program.
Great Job❤
He looks so uncomfortable to ride
No idea on breed but wanted to say as someone who has a horse who tries to intimidate I appreciate this video. It is amazing how my horse can be balky and irritable sometimes when we start our ride but once he accepts that we ARE going to do what I ask he is forward and willing! It usually just takes about the first 5 minutes of our ride. Like a Jekkyl & Hyde.....
Oh how I hope it isn't forever but it may just be him. No matter, we are going to do what I want and just keep on keeping on.
This video says I am on the right track. I keep my horses at home and as the sole caregiver I know he isn't hurting, just a dominant personality. Sorry to tell him I have the same personality! Amazing how much energy they can put into saying no.
My pony does that. When my trainer told me that I was in shock.
My newish paint. Tries to be buddy soar and spooky!
(Sorry that went thru twice!) Meant to add what do think of full cheek snaffle bits?
My current horse was pretty spoiled and tried to intimidate me, but once I figured out he was really not out to hurt me we have been able to work through it. He has accepted my leadership and we are enjoying our rides together now. If he does pretend to be scared, two or three tight 'knock it off' circles helps his mind get right again.
Baby powder takes the squeak out of a leather saddle!
He has characteristics of being a head shaker. Just something to consider.
Marvellous to watch❤
6:02 Anyone who observes this so-called horse trainer inflicting harm on a horse while equipped with spurs and believes this constitutes appropriate training is misguided.
The term "applying pressure" ultimately means inflicting pain. It is not necessary to cause suffering to a horse to achieve compliance with commands. That is a common misconception.
Gaining a horse's respect is sufficient for them to respond to your requests. By earning a horse's respect, one can successfully encourage them to follow instructions.
Do a search here on RUclips for the channel "barryhook2" and go watch his videos to learn the proper way to train a horse. 🤦♀️
I completely agree with the captioned remarks; Rocky's not truly "spooky", he's just faking it to get out of work and acting like a balky teenager who's been a bit spoiled. I also agree with Tim that he needs a few good sweaty saddlepads; after a while, Rocky will figure out that fighting is harder than working.
this horse is not much of a people person. In fact he is so damned annoying that he would convince me to put him away and not ride. He is like being in a crowded, noisy restaurant. He creates so much distraction and tension for his rider.
Yes that is true but I think he has the potential to be nice.
standing in the mud can be great for the feet. It is why people let their water tanks overflow- so the horses will have to stand in mud while drinking.
It was nice to see Rocky's demeanor change once he knew you were not going to give up asking for forward.The first few minutes he looked like he might throw a buck! 🤣🤣🐎That would be too much like hard work !
My horse Willy is like this. Very stubborn lol but with me he is a perfect little angel. He just needed the right person who showed dedication. We put cocky riders on him when they come for riding lessons now haha.
This is exactly the issues I have with my horse, primarily because I'm unable to get out riding him enough and put the miles on him. He throws tantrums like this continually and it's s chore to ride him for me, when I've got limited time to spend. Hoping to get out with him more over the winter and put some regular work to him. Thanks for the vid Tim.
Looks somewhat like my Rocky Mountain horse.
He’s certainly committed to his contrariness, little does he know you are more so!
I’m sending you my Arab/MFT after the 1st of 2025 somehow.
I couldn’t handle the heat this summer. I almost passed out while riding 2 times. Will be getting back on him as soon as I get the storm debris under control here in north Florida and it cools down a tad more.
Added: He’s gotten better at the mounting block than Rocky is but he tries me. Been watching you for over a year now and it’s helped me so much. Mine just needs more wet blankets too.
Rocky has a whole repertoire of behaviors to test to see which one is going to work. He’s definitely beginning to see there’s a new Sheriff in town. 😂 He forgets himself every now and then and lets the good horse out!
I do hear you say that he is not in pain but I have an incredibly difficult time believing that. Especially because the gaitedness makes his hind end movement look pretty insane. If he really is not in pain, then someone has REALLY thoroughly accidentally trained him to be like this. The few horses that I have ever seen be like this at all were all hurting somewhere, latest case was quite sore in both front knees. I guess if he is not sore now, maybe he was at some point and learned this behaviour then.
6:02 Anyone who observes this so-called horse trainer inflicting harm on a horse while equipped with spurs and believes this constitutes appropriate training is misguided.
The term "applying pressure" ultimately means inflicting pain. It is not necessary to cause suffering to a horse to achieve compliance with commands. That is a common misconception.
Gaining a horse's respect is sufficient for them to respond to your requests. By earning a horse's respect, one can successfully encourage them to follow instructions.
Do a search here on RUclips for the channel "barryhook2" and go watch his videos to learn the proper way to train a horse. 🤦♀️
That’s some attitude lol
My mare is the exact same. Acts spooky to get her way. During desensitization sessions she’s good, so I know she fakes it when she wants to 😂
Yep! I caught that behavior with my mate and she will get hammered hard for it. It started when I came off her in the way back from a trail ride . She flipped out a couple more times but I started working through it and started staying on. Now she’ll do arena laps and rollbacks for spooking if she does. I’m at a zero tolerance level with her when she does that.
Yes horses like that require zero tolerance.
Leading my horse through the arena he will stop and stretch out as to pee he knows I will stop and wait on him so now he will do it multiple times I’m now wise to hm and will make him move his feet
They learn all kinds of tricks. Lol.
Bought a senior thoroughbred who tossed his head violently one day,
and other refusals. Fortunately I did quit riding him, turned out he
had significant kissing spine in several places. Now he is just a
pasture pet/ buddy - glad I didn't push it.
Thinking he's a walking horse. I think once he gets over all of his silliness he's going to have a very nice gair.
If he were to start running- would you shut him down and then continue or would you make him just keep going and ride it-if of course you felt safe-thanks so much
I would keep him in a small circle so that he really can't go very fast but ask him to go faster.
Thanks!
Thank you
He looks so much like a toddler that has been told NO and is just gearing up to throw a full blown tantrum. It could go either way at this point. He is trying every passive way he knows to get you to back down. They have probably worked for him with other riders. Nice looking horse, spoiled disposition! Stay safe!
He just really doesn't want to be bothered.
It looks like he is putting his back left leg in like he's hurting.
My mare dose the head tossing to worn you that she going to buck. She crow hopps on me to trying and get away with not going forward.
My experience is most horses with bad behaviors from hurting, were pretty good ones beforehand. They usually have riders who can’t tell or don’t care about all the subtle signs they’re giving, until the horse refuses. Good example is the barrel horse, trail, roping, etc., that’s always been willing, but starts stubbing up, bucks or whatever.
This horse is just a bratty teenager that’s probably had rider get off him when he starts being a brat. Well, Rocky, say hello to uncle Tim who doesn’t play that 😂
He is fussing quite a bit. Can't wait to see when he goes his gait. It looks like it will be beautiful 😊
White sclara eyes, pink nose l, tacky-shuffle and striped hooves says Appy? LOL
In what ways can you give horses motivation to like being ridden and working with you?
Lol. Yes stubborn and lazy. Good work.
A habit that I am struggling with my mare is her chomping. She only does this when I ask for something that she doesn't understand or doesn't want to do. This past Saturday, I was asking her to slow down on the trail. When I lift the reins, she will slow her stride, but because she doesn't want to slow down, she will start to chomp. I held my hands there until she stopped chomping and slowed and then I'd release. She'd just go back to her quick stride and we'd start all over again. We did this for quite a while, but we didn't make much progress. Any suggestions to get her to quit chomping?
Horses need to stand. Looks like nothing. But them silly critters learn SO much.
The saddle creaking sounds like he is complaining… question-do you ever use a crop to reinforce your leg in these type of cases vs constantly bumping with your legs? I love strawberry roans.
No. This needs to come from legs.
I live in rural mexico and bought a horse that is trying to boss me around. Unfortunately I have no access to a round pen, only the beach. Can I still get him to respect me doing the lunging at the beach?
Yes definitely. You just have to think about what you need to accomplish and improvise.
He is a brat but just temporary
He looks like a Tennessee walker I had years ago. Same color, roan.
He has a "I don wanna doit"! look.
We picked up a paint mare for $100. Because her owners were afraid of her.. she had a bunch of things she would pull to get people off her. After a couple of weeks of not getting her way and tack that fit stopped all the games.
Is Rocky a Missouri Fox Trotter ?
Another query: What if the horse doesn’t toss his head but 4:53 ops for hold his head as high as possible and pushes into the bit?
Boy does that horse have nice bones and hooves! MFT?
Hi! Ues, very helpful. Is there a way to ask you a guestion directly? Im stumped 🙈
I answer those questions on my patreon page.
Have you noticed if a horse's color gives a clue about personality traits? For instance roan horses are hard-headed, sorrel mares are temperamental...
By the way he carries his tail high, he may possibly be half Arabian. Which would explain the bad behavior. My step-mom raises Arabians, so I can make that comment with confidence. I'm sure there may be some sweet Arabians out there. 😊
YES INDDED IM TRAINING MY UNBROKE UNTOUCHED ARABAIAN MARE SAME THING NOW 2YRSIN TRAINING FROM A BITING KICKING DRAGON SHES THE LOVE OF MY HEART NEXT TO MY GELDING WHOM PASSED OM MOTHERS DAY 2YRS AGO
Would you say that you always ignore the head business? My horse is just getting back into training and I have the same thing, plus - gnashing on the bit. Speaking of the bit, how tight do you draw your bits into their mouths - one wrinkle? Thank you!!!
Once I eliminate teeth issues then I ignore head tossing. Ideally I like to adjust the bit about 1/8th inch down from the corners of the mouth. That encourages the horse to hold the bit which is good for communication. The variable that might change that is the structure of the bars and location of K9 teeth. Sometimes because of those you have to adjust the bit up or down. I had a horse a while back that had K9 teeth the required me to raise the bit higher.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Hi Tim! Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed response. The teeth are not the issue any longer. In the Spring - we found out that he had exploded a left lower molar and that it had also impacted the tooth in front of it.... the two teeth were removed on June 4th. I just began riding him again in September. I have owned Shooter for 9 years and he is 19 years old. He had been an Oklahoma ranch horse, then leased out for trail riding in Virginia. When I purchased him, that was what I wanted to do, trail ride forever. However, we ended up moving a number of times and over a nine year period - I probably do not have a total of 30 rides on him. This video said so many things that resonated with my situation.... I need a lot of wet saddle blankets. Shooter also has an old scar, from Okalhoma, all the way across his tongue.... I had been trying to stay out and off of his mouth.... however, no matter that I have consistently done ground work with him, twice a day, I have found that it has NOT translated great to the saddle. I find him to argue about everything. All of the head shaking and gnashing on the bit. Yesterday, just prior to watching your video I had decided enough was enough, and I got after him for the head stuff and made him go. When he refused things, we circled and circled. I should let you know I have been riding since I was a baby. I like horses with go. I am not afraid in the saddle, but just wanted to be a better horsewoman with all of this natural horsemanship stuff. I just turned 64 so also need to be sensible and realistic. Yesterday was a turning point, after watching your video - I am curious about not getting after him for all of the head stuff. It does not intimidate me but is sure annoying. I will check the bit adjustment again - I think I am where you are recommending it should be. Please know that your teaching is making a huge difference for folks like me..... we are trying. I wish I lived closer and we would take lessons from you. I know 19 years old is older than you like to work with - but for Shooter this is really about a refresher. He was really well trained when I purchased him and knew roll backs, single flying lead changes and all sorts of things that I do not know how to do. He was very compliant but is not testing my worthiness and fortitude. Thanks and sending hugs from Colorado!!!!!!!
He seems a little stiff in his left hindquarters. He keeps dragging his left hoof on the hindquarters
I noticed this also. He seems to be weak somewhere in the hind end, and if you watch close he's stepping way up under himself with the left hind. It's like the issue is in the right hind and he compensating.
It could also be that he's just getting used to carrying weight.
7:16 my boy does not sling his head but he stops at the gate and refuses to move. He moves his shoulder side ways like the horse at the mounting block did, throws his shoulder on his strong side to intimidating me. Im not quick enough to catch him before he gets me to gate..
Bump up your game then!!
You don't have to be quick and stop him. Just make him move his feet by any way that works.
"Anybidy want to come oil leather?" You offered that once before in a live.... I'm in California, so no. But I think sinking the saddle in a bucket for a couple hours might do the trick. (And yes, I'm kidding!
He seems like he may be a Foxtrotter??
I think he's a foxtrotter. He has a good flatwalk when you can get up to it. I feel like he's been ridden heavily on the bit.
Does that feel as smooth as it looks? what a nice mover.
So the tie line is like "time out" for a toddler?
Exactly!
Bag o ' tricks horsey. Does have a pretty, though, wry tail.❤
Why does this horse hold it's tail like that?
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Tennesse Walker?
Knuckle headed and lazy. Maybe a MO Fox Trotter?
Gee the way that horse moves is hard to watch. Work your magic Tim!
Kentucky Mountain?
I think that is what he is but I'm not sure.
ARAB APPY MAYBE ,LOVE YOUR SHOW ,LOVE FROM SALTSPRING ISLAND BC CANADA
A lot of folks would put a tie-down or martingale on Rocky
LOL NOT ME I LOVE THE WILDNESS, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE A GOOD RIDER
Definitely not hurting - that is all I want to get my way and do what I want - no work for me ! He's been allowed to do as he pleases. He is gaited and would be nice "when" he learns to do as he's asked. LOL I hate a squeaky saddle - always oiled and baby powdered mine to keep it quiet. He's definitely lazy and has no work ethic except to work to get you to stop so he can go hang with the other horses LOL. Looks like a fox trotter - different hip than a TWH I think.
So much sas for a gelding or stud 😂