Unsaddling Banks in the arena is rewarding him. You finish the lesson on a positive and now he can relax and return to the stable. A great lesson. Look forward to seeing more of his progress.
I think you might be the first person in his life who hasn't resented his acting out. This is a steep learning curve for him. In the course of your work I could really see how the coin started to fall through the slot. I like how you respected his claustrophobia and his terror at being asked to do something he wasn't sure he could handle. His fear sits really deep and you found an expert balance between letting go and bringing him back, all amazingly without raising your voice or becoming abusive, both of which he has probably experienced and is expecting to happen.
Man, he has some issues.... Thank you for you patience with him! I really appreciate how you work horses. I watch few if any trainers, you are the only one I want to watch. I have been with horses for decades and now am horseless. Your techniques always impress me and your results speak for themselves.
I just see a green horse. All horses have issues until they are well trained. Banks is just doing what horses naturally do. All people poop their pants until they are trained not to.
Unsaddling in the arena helps to teach Banks that running to the barn, or wanting to, is not the solution to his anxiety, and the lesson ends where and when you choose, and not where and when he wants it to.
I have a hard time believing any of these so called experts telling you what to do has had to actually be in a stall or even an arena with a terrified horse. The courage you display around him is so impressive. Just being so calm regardless of how you feel inside is helpful to him. the effing unsaddling or saddling is meaningless with this kind of blind terror. You are a really great horseman and a man of great knowledge and patience. thank you for allowing us mere mortals to watch, learn and shut the heck up!!
That's terrible he is so stressed. They always say it is hardest to untrain problems than to train them correctly. Love watching how you handle all these different horses and the improvement that happens.
It looks like a quick and dirty cowboy start to me. We had a horse at our facility precisely like this. The "trainer" strapped a saddle on and rode him until he stopped bucking, creating anxiety over the ride. He was asked to leave shortly after, and it took quite a while to get the poor horseback to "normal." I don't know how people can "train" like that.
I'm guessing there are two reasons. One is so he won't get all bucky in the washrack and potentially slip on the pavement, and two to associate the arena as a good place and you a good guy. Also, there could be a third reason to keep him off guard as where saddling and unsaddling takes place, thereby teaching him that saddling/unsaddling will happen at any place and time as YOU choose -- and where the owner might choose. Of course it could be a combination of all three!
I look forward to watching Banks’s progress. Seeing him gain confidence and trust and become less reactive will be really rewarding. He’s a beautiful horse.
taking the saddle of was the reward for accepting the work you did ...and also by keeping it short to break down the training in baby steps to build his confidence, my boy was the same way one time and had to break down all the steps so he could understand - he was rushed too
He sure seems like he wants to be a good boy. The way he looked at you when you removed the saddle. Can’t wait to see his progress! Thanks for more great videos… even in our mini arctic lately!
I think that removing the saddle when he is relaxed allows him to to begin to create positive associations with the saddle and with you. I feel so sorry for this guy and his past experience with the previous trainer. How easily an incompetent trainer can maim a horse emotionally. So glad he is with you and praying he can overcome his past obstacles.
Your statement is proof again that horses are smarter than people you see horses can tell the difference between a man and a woman yet it seems that some people today cannot. Love your videos, Tim. Thank you very much for sharing all this great input and advice keep it up. It’s much much appreciated.
Tim, this gelding seems to be in flight mode a lot. In the beginning of the session, he appears to so worried over almost everything. I agree that the saddle is not the problem with him. I feel that he lacks confidence and is not taking the human as his alpha. Even after you lunge him, he still seems to not decompress. I have no idea what feed or supplements he is being given by his owners. I'm wondering if his diet could be affecting his behavior? This is something that I experienced with a client's horse. The client's gelding was hyped up on high protein grain and alfalfa. Changing the diet of the horse that I was training helped significantly. After a few days of a new diet, the gelding was less hyper and more focused on me. I enjoy your videos because you are a trainer that looks for the cause of the problem to find a method to correct the problem.
He’s in blind terror. Glad to see he calmed down and focused. Seems the saddle has become a marker to him that indicates something bad is going to happen from a human and it sent him into a panic attack to try and get away from whatever he thinks is bad that is coming.
That was far from a blind terror. He never lulled the lead rope out of my hand. Look at the thumbnail. He's not even putting pressure on the lead line. Big difference than blind terror and very important detail.
He came this way one of two ways either some dude threw a saddle on him and jumped on his back and let him buck it out which traumatized him. Or some noob saddled him and he freaked out and they stopped working with him out of fear thus teaching him freaking out gets him out of work rewarding the behavior.
What a different horse at the end from when he stepped into the arena. Not sure what had been exposed to before he came to you. It is always harder to fix broken than to just train new things. He needs confidence in people. Building trust takes a lot of time when trust has been broken.
Unsaddling in the arena to help him relax out there and realize the arena is a great place to be? Will be interesting to see if he comes around. I had a AQHA mare that severely rubber necked and threw herself at the paddock gate when ridden she was so barn sour. I used to make her back up, side pass and do a ton of tight circles in the barn (on the ground) then lead her out into the paddock and just let her stand and relax. Once she understood the barn wasn't so great a place to be I'd have her out trail riding. Always got off and walked that last mile to the barn and made her work hard in the aisleway. She ended up low level dressage & reining and was easily ridden with a twine neck rope and no bridle at all.
I hate that he's so worried. You can tell he's smart and possibly treated bad before. As always you are calm with him and let him do what he needs to, to relax.
Good point about the females horse going to a male trainer. I as a female have tried to be consistent in getting my horse to respect my space and do what I ask. It surely is a process and sometimes I just need to be more tenacious. Thank you for your videos learning alot.
This horse is definitely not tame! Sad state for such a nice horse. Something really wrong here....glad you are taking the time to figure him out! He is in a panic.....to flat get away.....
If the saddle is causing pressure then unsaddling gives release. Unsaddling in the arena instead of the barn gives him release in a different area not associated with the barn which gives him another relaxing safe place. If any of his anxiety is associated with arenas this can start to address that anxiety. There is also the time angle. Having finished on an upbeat note it reinforces that good vibe and also does not give time for any negative happening as he passes through the barn to interfere with that good feeling. Then there is the fact that having two pleasurable experiences (releases) together multiplies the effect of the individual ones separately.❤
My guess is that the y saddling is a release or a reward, and he is being in saddled immediately, both to provide that reward for his participation the using his brain, and also so that he does not start to depend on a routine ( back to the barn and y saddle there)… and thirdly, perhaps so that he won’t always associate the arena specifically with uncomfortable pressure and work?
He reminds me of the OTTBs that my mother used to get back in the 70s and 80s. Unfortunately, most of them had been so roughly handled that they trusted no one. She had one mare that had been so mishandled by men that she would shake when any man came near. Once you gained their trust, they were incredible, but it was a very slow process.
I think your title says it all. He's still scared and a scared horse in a tight space is an opportunity for some surprises to happen. By unsaddling him in the arena, you give him more space to remove his fear of the saddle with less chance for hitting walls etc. while he's out of control. I've watched many trainers over the years and thought I was going to slow down on watching trainers but I greatly appreciate all you do and look forward to your next posting every time. I'm very eager to watch you help Banks find and then continue to find more relaxation. Thanks for doing what you do in the manner you do it.
I'd say to allow him to be more relaxed about the arena. He really has something going on in his head. Possibly abused with spur and in mouth during a rough cowboy start? Stay safe with this one!
Good video Tim. Appreciate your honesty in filming. This is more helpful than a whole lot of other things because you show progress in being patient and developing trust. He tries, just has some things to work through. Good job.
Poor Banks, he looks to me to be generally scared of you/the saddle/whatever triggering either a memory or his imagination. You have the patience he needs. His owner was smart to hand him off to you for help.
I agree. Maybe let the horse just be a couple of months and then try, slowly. I find that walking with my horses helps tremendously. But most do not have time to walk, they have a horse to ride and not walk. Though walking can really develop relationship and trust.
Unsaddling wants to be positive for him and by extention where you unsaddle him. He was most reactive to entering the arena, so it is a better place than stressing him back into the more restrictive alleys. My best guess;) My Arabian had spent 6 months at a John Lyons trainer and we still had to start from scratch. You must work the horse you have not the one you thought you had. He was so dangerous and every baby step took three weeks. It could possibly been an operator problem. Lol. He is buried out by the old garden. I loved that horse and it turned out he loved having a family and cows to round up.
He is showing the whites of his eyes a lot. I was taught that can indicate a lot of tension and agitation... Then he blew up when he went in the arena. I'm glad you have him now. I suspect he was treated really rough so you may be healing somebody else's trauma damage.
Unsaddling now to make sure it ends on a positive note. If you try to get him back to wash bay first there could be a spook or slip or something since he's still tense about the saddle.
Banks cocking that back leg a lot makes me think he’s doing it in an attempt to feel/look calmer. He is going to be a good horse when he is more confident and less scared
Unsaddling him in the arena allows the horse opportunity to move his feet if his nervous or unsure and needs to be corrected and keeping you the trainer safe. It also gives you an opportunity to work with him on the saddle to see if he’s got any spooky points or unsettling . When a horse is worried, being tied they can cause panic when he’s unable to move his feet and see what’s going on around him. The objective is to have him relax with human, movement around him keeping safe in the process.
I love your work and have learned a lot. I would try putting blinkers or blinders as you say in US on Banks to see if it makes a difference to his reaction to the saddle. He might have an issue with one (white rimmed) or both eyes that is distorting the look of the saddle. Just a thought! Best wishes from south west Wales UK
My thought on why you unsaddled Banks in the arena is, when he entered the arena, he lost control of his mind. He had been very stressed walking out from the wash stall. To me, he finally lost it when he entered the arena. When he began to buck, you kept his feet moving to help him work through his panic. As he calmed some, he was lunged and was asked to start thinking about change of direction cues. When he settled further and was able to use his mind, he was asked to find the answer to the feel on the halter by following his nose around. When you finished that exercise, he had calmed significantly from when he first entered the arena. I think unsaddling him in the arena at the end was to leave him with a positive experience in what was first a very scary place to him. Next work session, I'd think it would help him be less concerned about being in the arena.
Hello. I have a mare who is 11 now and used to be ridden quite a bit; however, prior to my getting her, she was kept for a few years as a pasture pet and only saddled for the grandkids. Now, after several months of groundwork and trust building,. I am sizing for a saddle but every time I cinch the saddle, she bucks. Is there any suggestions you have to get her desensitized to the touch and cinch in the belly area? She is fine when I brush, touch, make noise ect but she bucks and sometimes nips when I cinch the girth.
I think of 2 reasons. One ,it gives more room for you and the horse incase he panics and two, he'll associate the end of the training as a pleasant experience . At one point he looked like he was going to run over you. How would you handle a horse that charges ? Thankyou for the videos
You guys should set up some cameras in the corners of your outdoor riding area so that when the hand hel filming isn't available you can switch to that or you can show things where the horse is blocking the view.
If you mentioned having any veterinary exams to see if he has a physical issue I missed it Is a vet exam generally what you do with a horse who seems so sore backed? Thanks, J
I bought a very green horse, a 10 year old Gypsy Vanner stallion. I trained him myself for a few months since I used to train horses a long time ago but wanted another trainer to ride him to see how he did. I found a trainer in my area who happens to be a male. My horse is usually very calm but acted like had never been around people before when this guy came to ride him. We tried a few times but decided it wasn’t really helping with the training so I’m on my own again.
This magnificent looking lad was short stepping in a weird way and very tense when leaving the wash rack area so figure he hasn't worn the saddle much at all, and is scared of other horses and open spaces. Perhaps he's spent the majority of his life in a stall or on his own. He appeared to be relaxed enough, even enjoying being groomed - until he set eyes on a body-less horses mouth and eyes peering at him from the left. I think unsaddling in the arena was both a reward and a release for him as well as teaching him that being on the end of a lead in the arena is not a bad place to be after all. How did he react going back to his stall?
He swivels his ears all the time. A sign of nervousness? Trying to learn about his surroundings ? I’m glad you said that the blowing was because he was still worried, I was going to ask that too. Was it still that he was worried when he snorted after you were lunging him? Thanks😊
I'm assuming he's been checked physically ... no pain issues, no mineral or other deficiencies that could impact him either physically or neurologically. Noticed some tendency to bunny hop the lope initially. Wondering if he has been tested for PSSM. Tying muscles (especially in the back and hinds) from the glycogen loading can make carrying a saddle painful initially. Of course, lunging will get the glycogen back into circulation. As he gets more comfortable physically, the anxiety and fear melt away. Simple changes in diet, adding magnesium, etc will ease symptoms considerably.
Horses definitely prefer a safe and confident leader. If they are not confident, they will not allow you to be their leader. Banks is Exhibit A of these facts.
This horse gets that knot head look in his eyes when he starts to buck. You can't reason with it. Very difficult. A girl I knew had a horse who would get that same look and suddenly rear up - high. He went over on her one time and the saddle horn crushed her ribs and collapsed her lung. They were just standing there with two other horses ready to go for a ride. I am afraid of that look because the horse can't be reasoned with.
Tim I have a question: he seemed pretty hyper alert at the cross ties and after saddling he seemed like he might buck right then and there. Given that he ended up going into a bucking fit in the arena, would you have done anything differently looking back ?
Hindsight has to be a productive learning experience, not a second guessing yourself experience. I could have done something different and had a different outcome, but with the information I had at the time and the knowledge of his previous behavior, I would do it exactly the same way.
Unsaddling in the arena after a successful session might carry over to saddling in the stall in his thinking. To help him put his confidence and trust in you? To look to you for what he needs, to trust you with his comfort and ease from anxiety.
Questions from a non-equine person. What is a cold back horse. And when you tell the horse to move his feet, why? Putting him to work? A punishment? Giving the horse time to think? I really am a fan, I’ve just never had a horse! I learn a lot, Thank you.😊
I think I’m right here…a cold backed horse is one that feels the cold of a saddle or saddle blanket on his back and doesn’t like it. Fine high bred horses are more likely to be affected. They can arch their back and buck like this when they have a severe reaction. Many horses tighten up and ‘blow out’ when they know the girth is being tightened because users have tightened the girth too tight and too quick previously. This becomes an inconvenience to the rider because the saddle gets loose some way into the ride. Moving his feet asserts the person’s leadership. It’s using the herd’s way of communicating. And it is a little bit of all those things you said, putting him to work, punishment and giving him time to think. After that as Tim says he’ll want to find a better way and that is to stop and use his head and accept Tim asking him to do stuff.
Unsaddling him in the arena will help him associate the arena with something good. I appreciate how calm you remained when he started bucking.
Unsaddling Banks in the arena is rewarding him. You finish the lesson on a positive and now he can relax and return to the stable. A great lesson. Look forward to seeing more of his progress.
I think you might be the first person in his life who hasn't resented his acting out. This is a steep learning curve for him. In the course of your work I could really see how the coin started to fall through the slot. I like how you respected his claustrophobia and his terror at being asked to do something he wasn't sure he could handle. His fear sits really deep and you found an expert balance between letting go and bringing him back, all amazingly without raising your voice or becoming abusive, both of which he has probably experienced and is expecting to happen.
I know nothing about the subject, but my strong impression is that Banks appreciated you not reacting to him and that helped calm him.
Man, he has some issues.... Thank you for you patience with him! I really appreciate how you work horses. I watch few if any trainers, you are the only one I want to watch. I have been with horses for decades and now am horseless. Your techniques always impress me and your results speak for themselves.
I just see a green horse. All horses have issues until they are well trained. Banks is just doing what horses naturally do. All people poop their pants until they are trained not to.
Unsaddling in the arena helps to teach Banks that running to the barn, or wanting to, is not the solution to his anxiety, and the lesson ends where and when you choose, and not where and when he wants it to.
I have a hard time believing any of these so called experts telling you what to do has had to actually be in a stall or even an arena with a terrified horse. The courage you display around him is so impressive. Just being so calm regardless of how you feel inside is helpful to him. the effing unsaddling or saddling is meaningless with this kind of blind terror.
You are a really great horseman and a man of great knowledge and patience. thank you for allowing us mere mortals to watch, learn and shut the heck up!!
That's terrible he is so stressed. They always say it is hardest to untrain problems than to train them correctly. Love watching how you handle all these different horses and the improvement that happens.
It looks like a quick and dirty cowboy start to me. We had a horse at our facility precisely like this. The "trainer" strapped a saddle on and rode him until he stopped bucking, creating anxiety over the ride. He was asked to leave shortly after, and it took quite a while to get the poor horseback to "normal." I don't know how people can "train" like that.
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I'm guessing there are two reasons. One is so he won't get all bucky in the washrack and potentially slip on the pavement, and two to associate the arena as a good place and you a good guy. Also, there could be a third reason to keep him off guard as where saddling and unsaddling takes place, thereby teaching him that saddling/unsaddling will happen at any place and time as YOU choose -- and where the owner might choose. Of course it could be a combination of all three!
I look forward to watching Banks’s progress. Seeing him gain confidence and trust and become less reactive will be really rewarding. He’s a beautiful horse.
taking the saddle of was the reward for accepting the work you did ...and also by keeping it short to break down the training in baby steps to build his confidence, my boy was the same way one time and had to break down all the steps so he could understand - he was rushed too
Another wonderful outcome after a scary incident. I tip my hat to you Tim.
He sure seems like he wants to be a good boy. The way he looked at you when you removed the saddle. Can’t wait to see his progress! Thanks for more great videos… even in our mini arctic lately!
I think that removing the saddle when he is relaxed allows him to to begin to create positive associations with the saddle and with you. I feel so sorry for this guy and his past experience with the previous trainer. How easily an incompetent trainer can maim a horse emotionally. So glad he is with you and praying he can overcome his past obstacles.
I loved to see how you resolved his panic. It is great to see how you calm a horse down.
Your statement is proof again that horses are smarter than people you see horses can tell the difference between a man and a woman yet it seems that some people today cannot. Love your videos, Tim. Thank you very much for sharing all this great input and advice keep it up. It’s much much appreciated.
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Tim, this gelding seems to be in flight mode a lot. In the beginning of the session, he appears to so worried over almost everything. I agree that the saddle is not the problem with him. I feel that he lacks confidence and is not taking the human as his alpha. Even after you lunge him, he still seems to not decompress. I have no idea what feed or supplements he is being given by his owners. I'm wondering if his diet could be affecting his behavior? This is something that I experienced with a client's horse. The client's gelding was hyped up on high protein grain and alfalfa. Changing the diet of the horse that I was training helped significantly. After a few days of a new diet, the gelding was less hyper and more focused on me. I enjoy your videos because you are a trainer that looks for the cause of the problem to find a method to correct the problem.
He’s in blind terror. Glad to see he calmed down and focused. Seems the saddle has become a marker to him that indicates something bad is going to happen from a human and it sent him into a panic attack to try and get away from whatever he thinks is bad that is coming.
That was far from a blind terror. He never lulled the lead rope out of my hand. Look at the thumbnail. He's not even putting pressure on the lead line. Big difference than blind terror and very important detail.
He came this way one of two ways either some dude threw a saddle on him and jumped on his back and let him buck it out which traumatized him. Or some noob saddled him and he freaked out and they stopped working with him out of fear thus teaching him freaking out gets him out of work rewarding the behavior.
What a different horse at the end from when he stepped into the arena. Not sure what had been exposed to before he came to you. It is always harder to fix broken than to just train new things. He needs confidence in people. Building trust takes a lot of time when trust has been broken.
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Good morning guys, great job as all ways Tim. thank you for video Tim & Melinda.😄
Unsaddling him in the arena was a total release of pressure. The reward for settling and a start to build trust?
At 18:20, how he was looking at the rope and actively thinking/analysing before he slowly turned around to "untie" himself 💕💕💕
Unsaddling in the arena to help him relax out there and realize the arena is a great place to be? Will be interesting to see if he comes around. I had a AQHA mare that severely rubber necked and threw herself at the paddock gate when ridden she was so barn sour. I used to make her back up, side pass and do a ton of tight circles in the barn (on the ground) then lead her out into the paddock and just let her stand and relax. Once she understood the barn wasn't so great a place to be I'd have her out trail riding. Always got off and walked that last mile to the barn and made her work hard in the aisleway. She ended up low level dressage & reining and was easily ridden with a twine neck rope and no bridle at all.
I hate that he's so worried. You can tell he's smart and possibly treated bad before. As always you are calm with him and let him do what he needs to, to relax.
Good point about the females horse going to a male trainer. I as a female have tried to be consistent in getting my horse to respect my space and do what I ask. It surely is a process and sometimes I just need to be more tenacious.
Thank you for your videos learning alot.
This horse is definitely not tame! Sad state for such a nice horse. Something really wrong here....glad you are taking the time to figure him out! He is in a panic.....to flat get away.....
If the saddle is causing pressure then unsaddling gives release. Unsaddling in the arena instead of the barn gives him release in a different area not associated with the barn which gives him another relaxing safe place. If any of his anxiety is associated with arenas this can start to address that anxiety.
There is also the time angle. Having finished on an upbeat note it reinforces that good vibe and also does not give time for any negative happening as he passes through the barn to interfere with that good feeling.
Then there is the fact that having two pleasurable experiences (releases) together multiplies the effect of the individual ones separately.❤
I tend to think the previous trainer hurt him and he's nervous with people. Unsaddling him is rewarding him by ending the session on a positive note
I had a hose similar to yours, came to find out he had ulcers. 6 weeks on U7, total different horse.
I think unsaddling in the arena was rewarding, relaxing for him after he showed some improvement.
My guess is that the y saddling is a release or a reward, and he is being in saddled immediately, both to provide that reward for his participation the using his brain, and also so that he does not start to depend on a routine ( back to the barn and y saddle there)… and thirdly, perhaps so that he won’t always associate the arena specifically with uncomfortable pressure and work?
To reward his good behavior at the end, the last thing he will remember about the session?
He reminds me of the OTTBs that my mother used to get back in the 70s and 80s. Unfortunately, most of them had been so roughly handled that they trusted no one. She had one mare that had been so mishandled by men that she would shake when any man came near. Once you gained their trust, they were incredible, but it was a very slow process.
The arena becomes a place of comfort after work, instead of the barn.
Awesome video
Different scenarios for the gentleman 😊🐎👏
He has to learn that he won't get ramrodded everytime he has a saddle on him.
I think it is a quick reward that he can tie into his successes at the end of his work.
I think your title says it all. He's still scared and a scared horse in a tight space is an opportunity for some surprises to happen. By unsaddling him in the arena, you give him more space to remove his fear of the saddle with less chance for hitting walls etc. while he's out of control. I've watched many trainers over the years and thought I was going to slow down on watching trainers but I greatly appreciate all you do and look forward to your next posting every time. I'm very eager to watch you help Banks find and then continue to find more relaxation. Thanks for doing what you do in the manner you do it.
I'd say to allow him to be more relaxed about the arena. He really has something going on in his head. Possibly abused with spur and in mouth during a rough cowboy start? Stay safe with this one!
Congrats on reaching 28,000 subscribers. Well deserved.
I have noticed that your horses snort - get that fresh out first and everything goes easier afterwards. Some horses, especially OTTB need this
A reward for doing well and releasing pressure.
Good video Tim. Appreciate your honesty in filming. This is more helpful than a whole lot of other things because you show progress in being patient and developing trust. He tries, just has some things to work through. Good job.
Banks seems like one that was either lunged/round penned before every ride or one that rider got on and bucked him out every day.
Is he lame in his hind left? He doesn't seem to extend it as far forward as the hind right. 🤔
I thought that too, he seems to short step with that leg.
His whole body is tight, nothing is moving like it should.
Poor Banks, he looks to me to be generally scared of you/the saddle/whatever triggering either a memory or his imagination. You have the patience he needs. His owner was smart to hand him off to you for help.
I agree. Maybe let the horse just be a couple of months and then try, slowly. I find that walking with my horses helps tremendously. But most do not have time to walk, they have a horse to ride and not walk. Though walking can really develop relationship and trust.
Well done. Very well done.
Unsaddling wants to be positive for him and by extention where you unsaddle him. He was most reactive to entering the arena, so it is a better place than stressing him back into the more restrictive alleys. My best guess;) My Arabian had spent 6 months at a John Lyons trainer and we still had to start from scratch. You must work the horse you have not the one you thought you had. He was so dangerous and every baby step took three weeks. It could possibly been an operator problem. Lol. He is buried out by the old garden. I loved that horse and it turned out he loved having a family and cows to round up.
He is showing the whites of his eyes a lot. I was taught that can indicate a lot of tension and agitation... Then he blew up when he went in the arena. I'm glad you have him now. I suspect he was treated really rough so you may be healing somebody else's trauma damage.
I still wonder about this horse. Any updates?
I believe that Banks has PTSD due to previous training 😢. Banks is now in great hands with you, Tim. ❤
Unsaddling now to make sure it ends on a positive note. If you try to get him back to wash bay first there could be a spook or slip or something since he's still tense about the saddle.
Banks cocking that back leg a lot makes me think he’s doing it in an attempt to feel/look calmer. He is going to be a good horse when he is more confident and less scared
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He had his left ear on you like he was waiting to be busted for something
I did not see the links in the upper right corner to his other videos. Great video and such progress!
Has this horse been struck in earlier training?
What a job. Wow
Unsaddling him in the arena allows the horse opportunity to move his feet if his nervous or unsure and needs to be corrected and keeping you the trainer safe. It also gives you an opportunity to work with him on the saddle to see if he’s got any spooky points or unsettling . When a horse is worried, being tied they can cause panic when he’s unable to move his feet and see what’s going on around him. The objective is to have him relax with human, movement around him keeping safe in the process.
Unsaddleing in the wash rack may start bucking or he associates the arena is ok because he gets rid of it.
Twice he snorted moving toward the block. Is he worried about being mounted?
The problem starts way before then.
I love your work and have learned a lot. I would try putting blinkers or blinders as you say in US on Banks to see if it makes a difference to his reaction to the saddle. He might have an issue with one (white rimmed) or both eyes that is distorting the look of the saddle. Just a thought! Best wishes from south west Wales UK
My thought on why you unsaddled Banks in the arena is, when he entered the arena, he lost control of his mind. He had been very stressed walking out from the wash stall. To me, he finally lost it when he entered the arena. When he began to buck, you kept his feet moving to help him work through his panic. As he calmed some, he was lunged and was asked to start thinking about change of direction cues. When he settled further and was able to use his mind, he was asked to find the answer to the feel on the halter by following his nose around. When you finished that exercise, he had calmed significantly from when he first entered the arena. I think unsaddling him in the arena at the end was to leave him with a positive experience in what was first a very scary place to him. Next work session, I'd think it would help him be less concerned about being in the arena.
You are unsaddling in the arena to reward him for his willingness to relax and think instead of panicking.
Hello. I have a mare who is 11 now and used to be ridden quite a bit; however, prior to my getting her, she was kept for a few years as a pasture pet and only saddled for the grandkids. Now, after several months of groundwork and trust building,. I am sizing for a saddle but every time I cinch the saddle, she bucks. Is there any suggestions you have to get her desensitized to the touch and cinch in the belly area? She is fine when I brush, touch, make noise ect but she bucks and sometimes nips when I cinch the girth.
1. Reward 2. Safety
His facial markings augment his expressions.
So he doesn't Cary the stress or asoseation of the saddle and the arena and to give him confidence that he's OK.
that's where he is most nervous
You want him to associate relief IN the arena, not the wash rack. 👍🏼
Unsaddling him in the arena does 2 things. It shows him saddling/unsaddling can happen anywhere and that the arena can be a place where he can relax.
I think of 2 reasons. One ,it gives more room for you and the horse incase he panics and two, he'll associate the end of the training as a pleasant experience .
At one point he looked like he was going to run over you. How would you handle a horse that charges ? Thankyou for the videos
You guys should set up some cameras in the corners of your outdoor riding area so that when the hand hel filming isn't available you can switch to that or you can show things where the horse is blocking the view.
Safer in the arena and finishing on a good note.
If you mentioned having any veterinary exams to see if he has a physical issue I missed it Is a vet exam generally what you do with a horse who seems so sore backed? Thanks, J
I get whatever help the horse needs. This horse is not back sore.
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I bought a very green horse, a 10 year old Gypsy Vanner stallion. I trained him myself for a few months since I used to train horses a long time ago but wanted another trainer to ride him to see how he did. I found a trainer in my area who happens to be a male. My horse is usually very calm but acted like had never been around people before when this guy came to ride him. We tried a few times but decided it wasn’t really helping with the training so I’m on my own again.
yep you called it when he bowed up in the cross ties! Oh, yeah, you've got his number. This one will be fun:}
SAFETY
To get reinforcement for being good where he worrie (to think it's a good place to be)
Good confidence in the area. So build on that as a positive place.
This magnificent looking lad was short stepping in a weird way and very tense when leaving the wash rack area so figure he hasn't worn the saddle much at all, and is scared of other horses and open spaces. Perhaps he's spent the majority of his life in a stall or on his own. He appeared to be relaxed enough, even enjoying being groomed - until he set eyes on a body-less horses mouth and eyes peering at him from the left.
I think unsaddling in the arena was both a reward and a release for him as well as teaching him that being on the end of a lead in the arena is not a bad place to be after all.
How did he react going back to his stall?
He swivels his ears all the time. A sign of nervousness? Trying to learn about his surroundings ? I’m glad you said that the blowing was because he was still worried, I was going to ask that too. Was it still that he was worried when he snorted after you were lunging him? Thanks😊
He's scared to death of everything. Waiting for 'the next shoe to drop' so to speak.
I think unsaddling in the arena gave him a release of pressure immediately after the work.
because it is a good association for the saddle/arena
Can he see properly from his odd eye? Could that make him more anxious?
Nothing wrong with his eyes.
Nice work
I'm assuming he's been checked physically ... no pain issues, no mineral or other deficiencies that could impact him either physically or neurologically. Noticed some tendency to bunny hop the lope initially. Wondering if he has been tested for PSSM. Tying muscles (especially in the back and hinds) from the glycogen loading can make carrying a saddle painful initially. Of course, lunging will get the glycogen back into circulation. As he gets more comfortable physically, the anxiety and fear melt away. Simple changes in diet, adding magnesium, etc will ease symptoms considerably.
Question should be ,"Do horses prefer older ,wiser ,experanced and confiedent owners or young scared inexpericed rider?
Horses definitely prefer a safe and confident leader. If they are not confident, they will not allow you to be their leader. Banks is Exhibit A of these facts.
This horse gets that knot head look in his eyes when he starts to buck. You can't reason with it. Very difficult. A girl I knew had a horse who would get that same look and suddenly rear up - high. He went over on her one time and the saddle horn crushed her ribs and collapsed her lung. They were just standing there with two other horses ready to go for a ride. I am afraid of that look because the horse can't be reasoned with.
Tim I have a question: he seemed pretty hyper alert at the cross ties and after saddling he seemed like he might buck right then and there. Given that he ended up going into a bucking fit in the arena, would you have done anything differently looking back ?
Hindsight has to be a productive learning experience, not a second guessing yourself experience. I could have done something different and had a different outcome, but with the information I had at the time and the knowledge of his previous behavior, I would do it exactly the same way.
Safer too as not confined area
Unsaddling in the arena after a successful session might carry over to saddling in the stall in his thinking. To help him put his confidence and trust in you? To look to you for what he needs, to trust you with his comfort and ease from anxiety.
Questions from a non-equine person. What is a cold back horse. And when you tell the horse to move his feet, why? Putting him to work? A punishment? Giving the horse time to think? I really am a fan, I’ve just never had a horse! I learn a lot, Thank you.😊
I think I’m right here…a cold backed horse is one that feels the cold of a saddle or saddle blanket on his back and doesn’t like it. Fine high bred horses are more likely to be affected. They can arch their back and buck like this when they have a severe reaction. Many horses tighten up and ‘blow out’ when they know the girth is being tightened because users have tightened the girth too tight and too quick previously. This becomes an inconvenience to the rider because the saddle gets loose some way into the ride.
Moving his feet asserts the person’s leadership. It’s using the herd’s way of communicating.
And it is a little bit of all those things you said, putting him to work, punishment and giving him time to think. After that as Tim says he’ll want to find a better way and that is to stop and use his head and accept Tim asking him to do stuff.
@@MegJones7 Thank you for the answers. Very helpful! 🙂
to get him to be ok with standing still no matter where he is; saddled him there so unsaddling w/o the cross ties reinforces that
Rushed along just a bit in the previous barn?? 🙄