Had a 12 yr old mustang here on the ranch some yrs back. Poor guy had the hardest time going on a relaxed trail ride. According to him everything was out to get him, but when it came time to move and work cattle he was an ACE all day. He went home after 5 months with us, not sure what ever became of him.
My thoroughbred, Mox, has a parrot mouth, and a low palate as a result. His front teeth almost look like they've been broken off, they're so short. To my knowledge nothing has happened to his mouth, like a kick or accident, and he isn't a cribber, which could also cause this- probably just another aspect of his naturally bad conformation 🙃. A French-link snaffle that has two joints instead of the usual one in the middle worked really well for him. It's the only bit I ever used for him. Mostly retired now, he was a saint to ride and jumped anything I pointed him at. 😇 People made fun of his face, but he was a very good boi🥰
I have made so many mistakes with my horse and never thought it was wrong. No wonder he gets hard headed. I will have to undo a lot of what I caused. Thank you for such good information. You have a gift explaining why’s and what’s a better way.
Tell Malinda thank you for videoing out back for us! She did a great job, as she always does. You gave us a lot of insight into what you were doing! Every horse and rider has experienced times like these, and you gave us tools to put in our toolbox. Thanks, again! Continued prayers for your wife's recovery!
Timing your kicks to fit his resolve to trust you is simple brilliance. Keeping his feet moving to establish your leadership was equally brilliant. It’s not about getting your way; it’s teaching him to choose your way, your leadership! I can see how important it is to get good training for your horse. 👍👍
Thank you Malinda! Without you we wouldn't have the opportunity to learn from your brother. Excellent information in this video! Thanks Tim! Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend. ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎
Your analyzation on this guy is spot on, and his improvement towards the end was physically noticeable. Overall he did pretty well and ended on a good note for the horse. Would a hackamore or bosal, be an option for a horse with a difficult mouth or bars?
A hackamore or bosal could but neither are illegal to use when showing in ranch classes so I'd like to find another way. After we got going where I have the snaffle bit adjusted here seemed pretty good.
Thanks Tim I love the mustang series. My mustang mare and I are a little bit behind your training. Seeing what you are doing helps me a lot. My mare is stiff on one side and very responsive on the left. On the other hand, she is responding very well to leg and weight cues. Please continue posting videos with Kiowak.
Once again you are teaching a different approach then what I know to be the standard. The vast majority I see and have experience with not only let the horse stand and look at whatever they are scared about (going past something , crossing something , that dark corner in the arena, etc) but they make it a point to keep taking the horse to those same places/ objects to just look at it day after day and emphasizing that there must be " something" to be sacred about. Thank you for valuable teaching and a sister willing to follow you around with the camera. I know it must still be awful hot as far South as you are.
Yes about the mouth. When I got my OTTB 15 y old exhunt horse English and western. Vet found old broken jaw ramps and hooks. Never addressed. Removed an old front broken tooth. Unreal. Two floats last year. No confidence only lived with one other horse Forced over everything. He has come so far. Started all over. We ride in a side pull and he's so happy i ride w light hands.
I’ve got an 8yo gelding that wasn’t ridden much. He has a good attitude but sometimes does the spook in place thing. He doesn’t try to run off just plants his feet abruptly. Something comes into view and he just stops. I have been letting him settle then move on. Today I’m going to keep him moving. We were doing a lot of circles (at my direction). Don’t think he’s ever seen a cow. There are cows here on the dirt road by my house. Let him look but kept him moving. Thanks for this video. IT’s reinforcement for me to do the right thing. Thanks for your videos. Today will be my 3rd ride on him off the farm.
When my mare turned six in 2021. I noticed a lump under her jaw. I had a Vet check it out when he was floating her teeth. To his surprise and mine. She had food stuck in a hole under her tongue on the bottom of her mouth. Enough so that under the jaw it was almost the size of a golf ball. He cleaned it out but eventually it filled back up again. In 2023 I had a Equine Dentist check it out. He felt it was a birth defect as the hole/gap was only on one side. He easily cleaned it out with a pressure nozzle. I've done my best to keep it clean and she is now used to me washing out her mouth. I don't get all of the food out all the time as it's really stuck in there. I've changed bits to help prevent pressure on the area as there can be bits of stems causing some discomfort. After trying several bits I found a correction bit works best for her. Plus I use a chain curb strap as it conforms to the area. The first Vet doesn't feel it's a birth defect. That she just holds onto food. So I don't know what it is or why. Someday I'll have to funds to take her to a local specialist Veterinary Hospital. In the meantime she is working well under saddle as long as it's cleaned prior to saddling up. Plus using light hands!!
Tim it's good to know you ride them outside of arena too. I've ridden some good show horses that lost their minds on a trail ride, but ended up being good thing for them.
Funny, my horse was just the opposite. After working in the arena, I took him out on trail to cool down. He would give out a big sigh. He was the least spooky horse I ever owned. 😆 I'm too old to ride now 😥
reminds me on my AT-mare.I broke her few months ago,her actions were similar-has although a very short mouth😊.She's getting more and more self confident now.I love that mustang,looks like a Azerbaijan gaited horse❤.Very good video,thanks a lot!
Horses are to large predators what rabbits are to smaller predators, another step up the food chain. As a rider, your role to your mount, is that of lead mare. Most horses don’t want that responsibility of identifying danger but if you the rider don’t take on that role, then the horse will. And nothing good comes out of that! You’re right, a confident rider gives the horse confidence-not only that you won’t let him be eaten by a pterodactyl (I worked with young kids who liked dinosaurs). But confident that you won’t ask him more than he is mentally or physically able of doing.
Thank you both for another great video. Tim, do you know of any horses that are successfully ridden that were never trained to accept a bit? Perhaps the owner has no intention to ever compete... and the horse is ridden bitless.?
That depends on what you consider successful. What I consider successful is a horse that have achieved their full potential in what ever area the horse shows a natural aptitude. Using that as a gage for successful, no, I have not know of any. Now if you consider successful a horse that lives a full well cared for life then yes, there are many. The problem I have with bitless bridles isn't the bridle, it's with the riders who are convinced that bitless is better in every situation. Every piece of tack has a purpose but no piece of tack is correct for every situation.
@timandersonhorsetraining thank you for your response! The only reason I'm considering bitless is because my rescue horse seems to have never been bridle trained so I thought maybe he doesn't HAVE to be. I have no plans to show, just do some arena riding for fun.
@timandersonhorsetraining we both have work to do on our muscle development lol. I really appreciate your expert input, the bridle issue is something that's been on my mind since I got him. We are both a work in progress and will continue onward!
@@allic8571 I was in your place. I thought my mare would be fine just trail riding in a halter. Turns out we ran into problems. She was tripping on trails, she was unwilling to ride out alone. I needed to develop collection and work ethic and in order to do that I had to bridle train. Ymmv
About unusual mouths: I had a mare with a really badly scarred tongue. She was 12 when I got her and didn't have any bridling problems but I imagine some kinds of bits might have pinched or caught on the lumpy areas. I used a plain snaffle or a low port driving bit (she drove, too) and she was fine with that. Have you ever had to work with that kind of injury?
It has been a while but I have had a couple with injuries like that. You have to be able to think outside the box to find something that works for them individually. Sounds like that is exactly what you did.
I see that his is/was worried about that gate and bridge - but my 1st horse was a TB - talk about reactive lol - to me he has a good mind - he doesnt spook off 800 miles per hour and only stop 40 miles from the "spooky" object - this to me seems easier than what I would call the "hot" breeds of horses..but maybe Im just kidding myself or missing something (i am 53 and fixing to start my mustang 😂) - but seriously thats kind of a question?
Tim I know you don't really normally like to disengage the hindquarters but you did when he tried to break into a trot. Had you worked on a this with him or did it just work out at the time?
Looking for the link referenced about riding with confidence to help horse to rekax. (Timid rider=timid horse, scared rider=scared horse). Could you post please?
Sadly, with so many mustangs stuck in holding pens for years now, their soundness and hardiness are declining rapidly. Captured as young horses they've grown up in a feed lot basically. I'm seeing more and more with bad feet and structural issues being adopted that never would've survived in the wild.
@@timandersonhorsetraining thanks for your reply. I don't know much about BLM mustangs. Does their breed go back to quarter horses (or what)? Maybe you could do a video for us south easterners (Florida), who are clueless?
@@justus6594there was no such thing as a quarter horse until 1940. BLM mustangs go back to every horse from the Spanish explorers to the Indian wars that went feral on large parcels of land out west.
Tim, please can you answer me something: what do you do if the horse starts getting too nervous? Is there a point where pushing him/circling just isn't worth it? Cause if it becomes a fight, the horse will win right?
@@timandersonhorsetraining ohhh great answer. What would you consider the preparatory work to avoid that? Establishing leadership in a less distracting environment?
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Had a 12 yr old mustang here on the ranch some yrs back. Poor guy had the hardest time going on a relaxed trail ride. According to him everything was out to get him, but when it came time to move and work cattle he was an ACE all day. He went home after 5 months with us, not sure what ever became of him.
My thoroughbred, Mox, has a parrot mouth, and a low palate as a result. His front teeth almost look like they've been broken off, they're so short. To my knowledge nothing has happened to his mouth, like a kick or accident, and he isn't a cribber, which could also cause this- probably just another aspect of his naturally bad conformation 🙃. A French-link snaffle that has two joints instead of the usual one in the middle worked really well for him. It's the only bit I ever used for him. Mostly retired now, he was a saint to ride and jumped anything I pointed him at. 😇 People made fun of his face, but he was a very good boi🥰
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I have made so many mistakes with my horse and never thought it was wrong. No wonder he gets hard headed. I will have to undo a lot of what I caused. Thank you for such good information. You have a gift explaining why’s and what’s a better way.
Tell Malinda thank you for videoing out back for us! She did a great job, as she always does. You gave us a lot of insight into what you were doing! Every horse and rider has experienced times like these, and you gave us tools to put in our toolbox. Thanks, again! Continued prayers for your wife's recovery!
Timing your kicks to fit his resolve to trust you is simple brilliance. Keeping his feet moving to establish your leadership was equally brilliant. It’s not about getting your way; it’s teaching him to choose your way, your leadership! I can see how important it is to get good training for your horse. 👍👍
Good morning guys Thank you Tim for video, thank you Malinda for camera work.
Thank you Malinda! Without you we wouldn't have the opportunity to learn from your brother.
Excellent information in this video!
Thanks Tim!
Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend.
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Nice video, and a little different type training for today’s session. 👍
Thank you Tim. Malinda, I appreciate your time with the videos, as always. ❤️
I had a QH gelding with the same mouth structure and had to fiddle around the same way you describe. Love your videos and training techniques :)
Your analyzation on this guy is spot on, and his improvement towards the end was physically noticeable. Overall he did pretty well and ended on a good note for the horse.
Would a hackamore or bosal, be an option for a horse with a difficult mouth or bars?
A hackamore or bosal could but neither are illegal to use when showing in ranch classes so I'd like to find another way. After we got going where I have the snaffle bit adjusted here seemed pretty good.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Thank you for your reply. I was wondering if a hackamore was acceptable when showing.
Thanks Tim
I love the mustang series.
My mustang mare and I are a little bit behind your training. Seeing what you are doing helps me a lot.
My mare is stiff on one side and very responsive on the left. On the other hand, she is responding very well to leg and weight cues.
Please continue posting videos with Kiowak.
love how the cows are watching
Once again you are teaching a different approach then what I know to be the standard. The vast majority I see and have experience with not only let the horse stand and look at whatever they are scared about (going past something , crossing something , that dark corner in the arena, etc) but they make it a point to keep taking the horse to those same places/ objects to just look at it day after day and emphasizing that there must be " something" to be sacred about.
Thank you for valuable teaching and a sister willing to follow you around with the camera. I know it must still be awful hot as far South as you are.
Yes about the mouth. When I got my OTTB 15 y old exhunt horse
English and western. Vet found old broken jaw ramps and hooks. Never addressed. Removed an old front broken tooth. Unreal. Two floats last year. No confidence only lived with one other horse Forced over everything. He has come so far. Started all over. We ride in a side pull and he's so happy i ride w light hands.
Hi how are you doing today i like all of your horses 🐎 and there training have fun with the horse 🐎 🐴🐴🐴🐮🐴🐴🐮🐴🐴 mr tim
Love all your videos! So much very important information.
I’ve got an 8yo gelding that wasn’t ridden much. He has a good attitude but sometimes does the spook in place thing. He doesn’t try to run off just plants his feet abruptly. Something comes into view and he just stops. I have been letting him settle then move on. Today I’m going to keep him moving. We were doing a lot of circles (at my direction).
Don’t think he’s ever seen a cow. There are cows here on the dirt road by my house. Let him look but kept him moving. Thanks for this video. IT’s reinforcement for me to do the right thing. Thanks for your videos. Today will be my 3rd ride on him off the farm.
When my mare turned six in 2021. I noticed a lump under her jaw. I had a Vet check it out when he was floating her teeth. To his surprise and mine. She had food stuck in a hole under her tongue on the bottom of her mouth. Enough so that under the jaw it was almost the size of a golf ball. He cleaned it out but eventually it filled back up again. In 2023 I had a Equine Dentist check it out. He felt it was a birth defect as the hole/gap was only on one side. He easily cleaned it out with a pressure nozzle. I've done my best to keep it clean and she is now used to me washing out her mouth. I don't get all of the food out all the time as it's really stuck in there. I've changed bits to help prevent pressure on the area as there can be bits of stems causing some discomfort. After trying several bits I found a correction bit works best for her. Plus I use a chain curb strap as it conforms to the area. The first Vet doesn't feel it's a birth defect. That she just holds onto food. So I don't know what it is or why. Someday I'll have to funds to take her to a local specialist Veterinary Hospital. In the meantime she is working well under saddle as long as it's cleaned prior to saddling up. Plus using light hands!!
Tim it's good to know you ride them outside of arena too. I've ridden some good show horses that lost their minds on a trail ride, but ended up being good thing for them.
Funny, my horse was just the opposite. After working in the arena, I took him out on trail to cool down. He would give out a big sigh. He was the least spooky horse I ever owned. 😆 I'm too old to ride now 😥
Thank you Malinda! You do a GREAT Job!! Thank you both for all you do for us!
Thank you you’re videos are so informative with the way you explain what you’re doing and why. Many thanks
reminds me on my AT-mare.I broke her few months ago,her actions were similar-has although a very short mouth😊.She's getting more and more self confident now.I love that mustang,looks like a Azerbaijan gaited horse❤.Very good video,thanks a lot!
Thanks Tim. This is very informative.
Tiny details you discuss are so helpful, Tim!😗
he moves like he could have some 'gait' in him
Horses are to large predators what rabbits are to smaller predators, another step up the food chain. As a rider, your role to your mount, is that of lead mare. Most horses don’t want that responsibility of identifying danger but if you the rider don’t take on that role, then the horse will. And nothing good comes out of that! You’re right, a confident rider gives the horse confidence-not only that you won’t let him be eaten by a pterodactyl (I worked with young kids who liked dinosaurs). But confident that you won’t ask him more than he is mentally or physically able of doing.
The horse needs to trust that his rider will not steer him wrong. Once he trusts, everyone can relax.
Thank you for these videos.
Hope your friend gets better soon!
nice work sis
Thank you both for another great video. Tim, do you know of any horses that are successfully ridden that were never trained to accept a bit? Perhaps the owner has no intention to ever compete... and the horse is ridden bitless.?
That depends on what you consider successful. What I consider successful is a horse that have achieved their full potential in what ever area the horse shows a natural aptitude. Using that as a gage for successful, no, I have not know of any. Now if you consider successful a horse that lives a full well cared for life then yes, there are many. The problem I have with bitless bridles isn't the bridle, it's with the riders who are convinced that bitless is better in every situation. Every piece of tack has a purpose but no piece of tack is correct for every situation.
@timandersonhorsetraining thank you for your response! The only reason I'm considering bitless is because my rescue horse seems to have never been bridle trained so I thought maybe he doesn't HAVE to be. I have no plans to show, just do some arena riding for fun.
@@allic8571he might do fine for what you are wanting but take a good look at his muscle development. Is he muscled like he should be?
@timandersonhorsetraining we both have work to do on our muscle development lol. I really appreciate your expert input, the bridle issue is something that's been on my mind since I got him. We are both a work in progress and will continue onward!
@@allic8571 I was in your place. I thought my mare would be fine just trail riding in a halter. Turns out we ran into problems. She was tripping on trails, she was unwilling to ride out alone. I needed to develop collection and work ethic and in order to do that I had to bridle train. Ymmv
My 8 year old Bashkir has a sloping muzzle with a Moose-nose
Melinda great job. Tim you should get Melinda a golf cart 😂. You can desensitize the horses to a cart.
About unusual mouths: I had a mare with a really badly scarred tongue. She was 12 when I got her and didn't have any bridling problems but I imagine some kinds of bits might have pinched or caught on the lumpy areas. I used a plain snaffle or a low port driving bit (she drove, too) and she was fine with that. Have you ever had to work with that kind of injury?
We had a mare that had her tongue almost cut in two. The only bit she rode well in was a flat roper type bit.
It has been a while but I have had a couple with injuries like that. You have to be able to think outside the box to find something that works for them individually. Sounds like that is exactly what you did.
I see that his is/was worried about that gate and bridge - but my 1st horse was a TB - talk about reactive lol - to me he has a good mind - he doesnt spook off 800 miles per hour and only stop 40 miles from the "spooky" object - this to me seems easier than what I would call the "hot" breeds of horses..but maybe Im just kidding myself or missing something (i am 53 and fixing to start my mustang 😂) - but seriously thats kind of a question?
Tim I know you don't really normally like to disengage the hindquarters but you did when he tried to break into a trot. Had you worked on a this with him or did it just work out at the time?
He did disengage and I would rather he didn't. I should have been more active with my legs to keep diving him forward into a downward transition.
when you say smooth snaffle do you mean jointed without twist or whatever or an unjointed bar ?
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Looking for the link referenced about riding with confidence to help horse to rekax. (Timid rider=timid horse, scared rider=scared horse).
Could you post please?
How do you know when the horse just isn’t up to crossing the bridge?
Every horse should always do what is asked of them.
What did you mean when you said they weren't bred because they were considered soft like quarter horses?
They were wild, the survivors bred. No selective breeding based on how well they rode.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingI can make a good argument that there's too many quarter horses around that weren't bred for how good they ride too 😂
Sadly, with so many mustangs stuck in holding pens for years now, their soundness and hardiness are declining rapidly. Captured as young horses they've grown up in a feed lot basically. I'm seeing more and more with bad feet and structural issues being adopted that never would've survived in the wild.
@@timandersonhorsetraining thanks for your reply. I don't know much about BLM mustangs. Does their breed go back to quarter horses (or what)? Maybe you could do a video for us south easterners (Florida), who are clueless?
@@justus6594there was no such thing as a quarter horse until 1940. BLM mustangs go back to every horse from the Spanish explorers to the Indian wars that went feral on large parcels of land out west.
Have you tried riding bitless?? I had a gelding with the same problem so i started working him without one and had great results.
Everything I train is with ranch horse in mind and bitless is illegal
can you do some vids on mouths?
Good idea.
Have you ever gotten a gimbal to stabilize your camera?
I have not, maybe 1 day. The bigger problem with riding out is good audio.
Tim, please can you answer me something: what do you do if the horse starts getting too nervous? Is there a point where pushing him/circling just isn't worth it? Cause if it becomes a fight, the horse will win right?
That would only happen I'd the predatory work was skipped.
@@timandersonhorsetraining ohhh great answer. What would you consider the preparatory work to avoid that? Establishing leadership in a less distracting environment?