Koda put me on the ground but I don't hold it against her.
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2023
- Restarts are always harder that starting a young one because the holes are solid and the horses are strong but Koda is going to work through this and be nice.
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I don’t know if many trainers would post a video like this. You are both competent and humble
You did great. You made all us 60 year old proud.
Yep! 61 here and I think he's such a great trainer. He REALLY understands horses.
Honor. Persistent
Tim, I've been training for 25 years and this video exemplifies the correct way to fix this problem. I'm 66 years old and 5 foot 9 inches, so getting on taller horses is difficult. As you pointed out, keeping the horse's neck bent keeps her rear end disengaged. She can only turn towards you, not move away from you, as she did at first. Breaking down the mounting into pieces, as would be done starting a horse, makes it easier to reward the correct behavior. She's a smart horse and learned quickly that bad behavior is not rewarded. Your time, patience and skills were taught this horse that the right thing is easy and the wrong thing is hard! All of this accomplished without harm the horse or the trainer! Great job.
Agree, this man is very calm and patient. I just wonder - instead of applying techniques that hinder the horse from moving, wouldn't it be better to make the horse WANT to work with you? He is just teaching the horse: no matter how many times you try to escape, I'll try again and again and again. Eventually the horse will be worn out and accept the situation (didnt watch till the end). But do I want a horse which merely accepts me and is glad to see my back or do I want a horse which enjoys working with me?
And yeah, she may not be in pain, but horses do not put up resistance out of spite. Something triggers her, even if we humans cant see it.
I totally agree
It takes practice to learn to go band break things down more for them. Patience is harder for some folks than others .I’m vertically challenged too and it does make things a but harder
Well said
A hose is the sum of all it's bad experiences. You have given this horse plenty of new ones. It it was a pretty good horse with a couple of small issues when you started with it. It has no shit in it whatsoever.
It does feel a lot of fear and apprehension. It is all coming from you. You are reefing on that left rein and it's head severely and the horse has no idea why. You just put the wind right up it all the time. If you relaxed and let it relax with its head forward and firm even reigns and didn't jump that huge weight up and down on one stirup while digging your toe in it wouldn't react at all. You should be just slipping quietly into the saddle.
I would not let you near any of my horses. Not even a quiet confident well trained cattle working horse.
@disturbed_deliberations I respectfully disagree: this is learned behavior on part of the horse.
I really love how your energy didn't change, you were not angry or nervous at all, just kept doing your job
Ja, aber auch keine rein positive freudvolle Erfahrung für dieses Pferd. Für meine sensible Stute wäre, entschuldige bitte,
allein das angestrengte Atmen, die Stille, kein Zwischenlob, bereits zu negativ gewesen.
Manche Pferd brauchen zwischendurch schon Bestätitung. Kleinere Schritte.
Nette Erfahrung, wenn der Reiter dann oben ist (Kleiner Ausritt)
Ich weiß, das Pferd wurde zur Reparatur gebracht, die Kunden wollen schnelle Ergebnisse.
I agree. Don’t you feel like maybe riders and trainers get amplified when maybe they aren’t sure how to fix a thing? So then they are just showing that they are kinda scared too and the only thing they know how to do next is try to bully strong arm the animal into submission. Whenever I get amplified in my soul start to take it personal, I just hand it off to the person like him instead of making it worse.
What a gorgeous mare. I hope you are being paid well to get her going again ! I agree completely that her behavior is not pain related because you can see that obviously once she sees she isn't getting rid of you she stands. No pain or discomfort showing in her eyes or facial expression. I do believe that we as horse owners are being conditioned to make every act of disobedience by our horses pain related. Not that it shouldn't be considered but many start treating for ulcers and stop riding as soon as they suspect something. Just what the horse wanted--a vacation. I just turned 60 a month ago. Not sure I can get on without a mounting block anymore!
The patience of a saint!😍
Patience is essential in horse training. Plus knowledge, confidence, consistency and the ability to admit and correct own mistakes
A beautiful thing to witness, you gaining her trust. So many horses have been mistreated because whoever worked them didn’t have any patience and horse sense. Beautiful horse- wonderful human.
Thank you.
It happens to the best of us! Horses are the great levelers. If you don't have persistence, patience and a good attitude (like Tim here), you won't get far with horses
OMG Tim, your patience is amazing! Well done, again!
Ouch... Really glad you weren't seriously hurt.
Like someone else said, you sure have a lot of patience. But then again, it's probably one of the most important thing folks need to have that work with these beautiful, prey animals.
Glad you're ok, and she's getting better at standing still.
Thanks Tim!
❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎
I can hardly see past the beauty of this arena and it's surrounding trees. The light in the arena is so gentle. What a serene place.
She's not in pain. She's just smart enough to know if you aren't on her back you can't make her work.
SHe also figures going back to ground work would be easier than riding you around. lo You didn't quit and you didn't go back to lunging which is what she expected.
Aber was genau wurde dann mit ihr gearbeitet? Kein Pferd verweigert sich doch einfach so.
Sie möchte nicht, dass der Reiter aufsteigt. Weil es sich für sie bisher nie gelohnt hat.
Zu wenig schöne Erlebnisse, anstatt gleich "Arbeit"?
Wow Tim the same thing happened to me with my mare when she was a youngster. I held on to the back of the saddle as long as I could and then I bailed. My arm was one giant black bruise from holding on to the cantle. After that I always turned her head to me just like you did here, but she needed a lot of work getting on and off, from the start she had an issue with me being above her. Great job here with this mare Tim! I know what you are saying I just turned 63, but I’ll be riding till the put me in a box😊
I am 76 and I agree with you. I'll be in a box before I ever stop riding and being with horses. They are my entire purpose in life and they give me my reason for living.
I just love this video. I so appreciate seeing you deal with this kind of issue most of the way through the process. Thank you for sharing it.
I hope that the owners can practice this with her when she returns to her home so that she doesn’t revert back if she has a moment. This mare is just stunning to look at!! YOU are so awesome to watch; I always learn something… Hope your wife is doing well.
Tim, I love to watch you work these horses but as I listened to this vid I paid more attention to your breathing. I hope you will visit your doc and have him check you.
I start colts and help people with horses that have baggage or learned bad habits. This demonstration is exactly how you restart a horse that isn't fearful of the rider but simply refusing to cooperate with something it doesn't want to do.
One thing I would add to really change the horses mind about being mounted is to make the horse work really hard with a rapid succession of difficult maneuvers from the ground in between attempts at mounting. It causes the horse to appreciate someone in the saddle more than them on the ground. They start to feel differently about being ridden because you've made the undesirable behavior difficult and the desirable behavior easier and more comfortable. It reduces the likelihood that the horse will revert back to arguing in subsequent lessons and revisiting the process shown in this video over and over.
That’s exactly what I have would’ve done but considering his situation he wasn’t in a round pen didn’t have a lunge line and he had to address this issue immediately so I think considering his equipment and where he was he did the right thing but yeah if I knew the horse had this issue going into it, I would’ve had a lunge line attached or had it in a round pen, and ready to do just what you said.
I'm 5' 1 and turn 63 next week and my horse is a smidge shy of 16 hands. When we go out on the trail with friends, even though I'm the shortest and oldest by 20 years, on the tallest horse, I get off and get all the gates {sadly they are barbed gates}. I do this because my friends cannot mount from the ground, so once they are on that's it. So here's to us short 60- somethings who really have it going on and can still get on from the ground....lol BTW, love your videos and I learn a lot.
Glad your all good,
It's awesome to see those moments and how you work through it.
Your a great horseman.
Thank you
After watching the first minute. I retract yesterdays comment and agree fully with you. This is a habit not pain.
At 54, and 5'2", I feel your pain. You took that tumble a lot better than I would have.
love how you break it down to baby steps when necessary. No sense creating worse, more deeply ingrained issues. Smart stuff!
I hope you're okay Mr. Tim!! 🙏🫂
Your patience is amazing and a wonderful video for restarting. Gives me hope but I still wish you were closer. Thank you so much. Continued prayers for your wife and you. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I was fine, not even sore. My wife came home from the hospital this past Friday. The next few months are going to be long and hard but the Dr's have been encouraging for a near full recovery. Thank you for your prayers.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingglad you are ok. Hope your wife is doing well with recovery.
That little stunt reminded me of when our rescued rottie gave me flying lessons off our back porch. I am not small, but he had me airborne for at least ten feet. Silly me, had no power steering gear on him, and he had no clue what loose leash walking meant. Gave that song I Believe I Can Fly a new meaning.
I hope this horse comes around and finds a direction she loves. Take care.
Would love to see the dynamic when she and her owners reconnect. Retraining the people can be a challenge
Ich auch. Aber warum muss es zu diesem Zeitpunkt eigentlich unbedingt von unten aufsteigen sein??
Von einer Aufstiegshilfe hätte es das Pferd doch erst einmal leichter.
Und dann etwas Schönes mit dem Aufsteigen verbinden.
Für ein Pferd ist es nicht schön, hochwuchten, wieder runter, wieder hochziehen.
Man könnte es positiv überschreiben, würde am Ende genauso schnell gehen.
Nur hätte man am Ende ein Pferd, das gelernt hat, freiwillig zur Aufstiegshilfe zu kommen.
So ist es irgendwie ... mechanisch
Love it! Don't worry, getting on a tall horse with one leg is like stepping on the highest blocks at the gym from the floor one foot at a time. I speak from personal experience as the same muscles engage and when you do it 20X with each leg. . . .you don't really want to do it more.
Really like how you were the same energy level with the horse. Excellent example of training with patience, time, repetition, and rewards for progress made. Not just jumping in the saddle, but each step of the progress. It's how horses have it stick into their brains vs have it leave their minds shortly after leaving the trainer.
I'm glad you posted this video Tim! This is exactly what I'm working on with my horse right now! He's more green by far than the mare you're working with there but the principle is the same. I'm thinking after watching your video I need to take even smaller steps. One small step at a time.
As an example, I can jump all around him waving my arms, he doesn't react to the flag, I can drape myself over his back (no saddle) without him batting an eye. He does fine when saddling and doesn't react to the Saddle on his back but the moment I even look like I'm going to put a foot in the stirrup he starts moving away from me. So I appreciate your video a lot Tim!
I welcome any further thoughts.
Is he afraid of the stirrups? Have you done a good shake with the stirrups and let him really feel them bounce or brush up against him? Are you grabbing the saddle and it shifts? It may feel very weird to have stirrups and a saddle on you so run through basic groundwork with the horse saddled and let the horse really get a good feel for wearing it. Play with the stirrups and just bring your foot up there and set your toe in and if he looks and takes a sigh, then reward.
Then you may need to take a different approach to starting your horse if they already can respond with their head and bend the neck like this one can and you have already done it - just lay over the horse or gently put your weight on with the saddle on. See how the horse responds to just you pushing on the saddle, then a little more lean, and eventually layng over it.
Whatever is happening is likely happening before the stirrups happen so when you put the saddle on are you always going to try and ride or start the horse? or do you do many bends and play with stirrups so the horse doesn't is fine with the stirrups like they are the flag? Do you just grab the horn and cantle and pull up a little? Do you lunge the horse with the saddle on and make his expectations get defeated when you saddle him and don't try to get on, but lunge him, lead him, bend him, and do anything and everything with a saddle on?
Nose in works every time. I’m finally past that now I just bump if he tries to walk off, thankful we are past the spaz rocket stage, at least, while mounting how do we deal with this under saddle at random times just cuz?? Same way nose to knee I just wish he’d quit trying.
Well done!
No anger; No taking it personal, Just breaking it down to small steps. and releasing pressure when she gets a step correct. This is how all horsemen should be treating any issues with a horse. Training is a process not an event. Horse do well what they do most.
I don’t own a horse but I used rent to ride. It’s really awesome to see a man that knows his trade and earns his pay. Your videos are going to enlighten thousands on proper training techniques..
Geez, you were calm, cool and collected. I’m sure I would have said No, wrong answer, and made her move her feet by disengaging her rear. Have to get you a T shirt that says Mr Cool. 😊
I have a lot in my background that has taught me to be that way, not horse related.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Interesting. You learned well my friend. Being able to stay calm and focus is a great skill to have. 😅
@@timandersonhorsetraininghow do I learn to be a horse yoda like you Jedi master? I lose my cool! How did you learn the zen??
Love it! One small step at a time. Really enjoyed watching this. Your patience is great!
This really shows how even if you train a horse if you don't keep up with what is taught you can lose it. A friend called these the horses the high horse wantabe's because they have been trained well but if they get free pasture, hay, and shelter for a while and if you want them to start paying some rent, after giving them skipped payments, they say I don't want to.
Hahaha
😂
On the open plains gathering cows, the first horse lesson taught to me was...
Always have the left rein short while mounting.
Brave man!!
Right… at least until they are done being squirrely about it!
I love that you show us all aspects of the training process. Seeing how you work with the bad behavior really helps me feel more confident in my own “horse journey” with my new younger horse. Thank you
I've noticed a lot of trainers don't post themselves in a moment of loss of control, nor are they able to admit mistakes. Thank you for posting all of this. You are a wonderful example of a kind, smart, humble and patient trainer.
Looks like a smart horse who knew that silliness got her out of work in the past. Doesn’t react at all like she’s in pain in my opinion. Her ears say she is paying too much attention to Tim for that.
Aber ... wie sah dann wohl jene Arbeit aus vorher? Wo ist die Ursache? Warum wollte das Pferd nicht mehr aufsteigen lassen.
Was erwartet es, WENN es rauflässt?
She learned how to get out of work this way. Learned it well. Unlearning is a long process.
@@kleineportugiesin9784 er hat doch genau erklärt dass die Besitzer die Stute auf der Weide geparkt haben. Manche Pferde protestieren gegen Arbeit und wenn man nachgibt dann lernen sie solch ein Verhalten. Das ist alles ziemlich klar hier
Thank you for continuing on with the video and showing us the problem and how to work through the solution with patience and one step at a time.
Well I felt that for you! Your patience paid off. Good Girl Koda.
Tim you are one brave and patient trainer! 🤗
Your patience is extraordinary.
I've broken umpteen thoroughbreds on my own . spent ages just standing on a mounting block and leaning over .its best within a narrow space where the horse can't swing away.lots of patience and calm
I am so glad i found your video!! My 4 year old KWPN takes off while mounting and at this point it getting very dangerous. Including bucking and the whole circus.. It also goes with the lack of attention to the rider. He loves to look at things an then spooks about it. So this video in combination with your other video with the little 4 year old 2 years ago, helps me hopefully to take the steps to get on the normal way!
This is an excellent video and teaching video. Thank you for sharing your entire lesson, from beginning to end. Stay safe friend.
Your training rocks. Thank you for that. ❤️
WOW. She has one hell of a technique. Goes low and spins like you're a puma trying ti grab a hold of her.
What you said about listening to what the horse is telling you is so important..but I feel like it’s something that really only comes with experience. I have had my horse now over a year and honestly I am just now starting to understand some of what he is telling me. It helps !
Yes you are right, experience helps however too many people come up with the answer they want and not even trying to listen to the answer the horse gives.
I am grieving over the loss of my horse yesterday and I am devastated. My friend told me about you so I've been watching your videos yesterday and today and you are helping me get through my grief so I thank you for that. And, I am pretty darn good with horses but boy have I learned a lot from you.
This was so interesting to see your patience and teaching skills and how the horse is doing better. Great video !!
Bravo... she's a smart one...but you showed her you weren't going to give in until she did the right thing.
I really enjoy your printed explanations and your verbal explanations.. and often I smile at a few of them which is nice.. and I get that being older and short.. same here
This was a humbling video. Thank you so very much! Really excellent solution.
Just wow... You are so brave... and patient...
.. I just smiled and said out loud.. Yeaaa! When she finally accepted you getting on. Well done. 😊
Wow!!! Great progress Tim.
This is so cool!!! This is exactly what you had your Granddaughter do in another video!!! Love this!!!! You ROCK!!!
Like the other person said - I’m glad that you posted a video like this. It shows people that these things can happen to anyone. I really like your videos and what you do. I would love to be able to work with you. I love training and riding.
Horses will tell you clear! When they aren't happy you will know about it. Its recognising the warnings and acting accordingly before it escalates and someone gets hurt. I think this lesson was Valuable Tim. Thankyou.xx
He did really good with her. She's not a bad girl. She just forgot how to do it right. Kudos big strong cowboy. Hat tip.
Tim, you are too precious to the horse world to be a crash test dummy, let an eager younger trainer that heals quicker and with less pain do the health challenging bits. You did come good in working her out, well done, i hope she has started to overcome her fear with everyone else too.
Thank you so much! You are an amazing trainer
Amazing! She looks pretty powerful. Her hindquarters look a little intimidating. What a great lesson, thank you!
She has plenty muscle but is not very athletic and don't know how to use what she has.
Looks stiff in hind legs??
Can hear the energy you putting in in the breathing. You run a marathon...
I used wonder why as a iid on a new broke I was instructed to get on and off 25 times...make my mare stand n wait. She was a real challenge.
Very athletic and intelligent.
No short cuts allowed.
It all makes sense watching this. Great thanks
Showing up loud & clear in Motown!!!
You're flat earning your money on this horse!
Go Tim, so right with what you say. Great job, i know how difficult it is😊
I have enjoyed watching your training videos.
Wow! You are sure a lot tougher than me! lol! Glad you weren't hurt! That is totally a learned behavior, like you said. It is so much harder to unlearn a problem, for sure!
Puch respect to you sir from a 64 year old
Every horse I ride I have kept their head bend in to me while getting on. Nowadays I've got knee & hip injuries and I now use a step to get on a horse because I can't reach stirrups from the ground. I'm only 47yrs old but short too lol.
Age makes no difference. We all have to adjust to things from time to time. Glad you're still riding
She just got off balance for a second and it spooked her I think.
Great video, it's great to see that you allowed us amateurs to see that even great horseman can be thrown to the ground.
All in all, she sure seems to be very sweet and agreeable.
If you put in enough ground work horses seldom buck. When i was training i had a Charlie , a Korean war chopper dummy, life size , that i would tie, buckle, and strap onto a special saddle just for the ones that just had to buck it out. You can always tell the type. But Charlie always rode them out, and never did get hurt. Nor did any horse.
Been said 15 minutes a day with a horse so they don't forget. Excellent work. You are 1 of the best. Guy loaded cows on a semi truck trailer before 1 day one turned around and hurt him. Have to be able to run and climb to haul cows. Can't be weak and work with horses, even the females on the farm and ranch have strength in their arms.
Thanks, you showed the good stuff with the bad, like landing on your bum. It makes all of us feel better.
Nice work with your patience and persistence
Awesome job😊
I love you work Tim
Very good job!!!!
Awesome video!
I know cowboys hate giving treats but it has worked for me to give a treat once in the saddle and the horse settles. They can't wait for you to get on. And no, you don't have to do this forever. After a few weeks, you start skipping the treat once in a while until after a couple months, it's over with.
I do this with my gelding, but only intermittently like a slot machine. When I get on him if he stands quietly, he gets a clicker sound and a treat. If he tries to walk off, he gets a hard bump on the mouth. His choice we no longer have to keep a short rein with his nose turned in, thank goodness he just sometimes wants to start moseying off.
Thank you for showing what bit you are using.
❤❤ he was really getting out of breath back❤❤
Thank you for showing us the good and the bad. Glad you weren't hurt! Do you have any strategies for not losing your confidence when working with a horse that has the potential to be a bit explosive?? We're just about to the point of mounting but i keep losing my confidence.
The best advise I have for confidence is to set up situations that you are comfortable with.
Wow great work! Challenging horse!
I'm glad you were ok. At 64 and 5 feet tall I've started to have to use a mounting block. I wish it was easier.
Good job old man !
GOOD JOB!
Kind Sir, I'm 66, disabled, many things damaged, spine, hips, left arm, degenerative disc disease and neurological disorder in other words..lupus. I don't have a mounting block. I refuse to give up riding my only pleasure in life. I currently have a horse that was suppose to be highly trained. Turns out he hasnt been ridden in 10 years when I got him delivered and he's 23 now. I doubt hes ever been out of an arena. He tossed me once and tried a second time but got him under control and ended on a good note. Ive learned he was torchered by dogs for years which I can't get away from around here. He is an Arab but have raised, trained and bred arabs for over 30 years. I guess I need to get him to an arena and see if he still misbehaves, if so its lack of respect and or trust.
Good job
good work
Time for a helmet with some of those horses.
You cant stop despite needing to catch breath.
Pretty mare but zones out even with left rein looped. Attention span not engaged with you.
Hope no bruises or wrenched back.
Thanks for this video. My four year old mare is having problems standing still at the mounting block. I’ll use some of your techniques to assist her understanding. I have a question on bringing her head around while you mount. I was taught to shorten the right rein instead of the left when mounting. That way, when the horse goes to move, it is moving into you instead of away from you, allowing the rider to still mount the horse. What do you see are the disadvantages of this approach? Thanks for any insight!
Fantastic video as always.
Now realizing I'm the youngest and tallest in the crowd😂🎉
You might try lowering your stirrups if you’re just getting on and off and not doing a full mount. Also, I found it good to move their feet just a little to get rid of some tightness before I swing a leg over. Then as you get closer to mounting, bring your stirrup back up to proper length.
Most videos don’t show that part but this just goes to show you can keep the pressure on an get results without getting after a horse crazy
I record every Monday and Thursday mornings and what you see is whatever I'm working at those times on those days. Eventually I want to get set up to do live video training days. People need to see the truth, good and bad.
Good looking mare
🙏🤣im65+ and am having same mounting problems ...but my young one is Very obliging and calm and easy ..plus she probably thinks my struggles are normal. As its what she knows ..and she is good as Gold to work .but an absolute Bag of monkeys when she's free ..but I need something to challenge me and keep me raising my game ..
It's " use it or lose it "
And I'm very grateful for these excellent training podcasts because I live learning new stuff .. gave up English training .and my last 2 horses I did iberty /western ,,much easier on horse and rider ..
This little quarterhorse cross will be my last horse i train so I'm spinning it out..♥️🐎🎵♥️
Lol bag of monkeys! That's a good description 😅
Really proud of you for showing the bad with the good, and more importantly, how to overcome it. Also empathizing with height challenges; I'm 5'0", so am Not getting on my horse without a mounting block, LOL.
Would you also be working with the owner, to be sure they can do the same thing?
Yes
I'm with you. I own a horse that's sixteen hands and I have short stiff legs....Dig a small trench to lead them into..about 8 in he's deep three feet wide
Big belly boy is outta breath.....Great video Sir
He only has 37% lung function.
@@melindaharrington7588 Why?
PTL you are OK and live to ridecand train another day she will know how to be good after you have rebooted her great job Tim cowboy up 🐎 🐴
Thanks Tim. Great video on so many levels/so many ways. May I ask, with apologies for my naivety, if you can share her breed type. Beautiful.
She is a halter bred quarter horse.
But it’s great you left that in although I’m sorry it happened!
One of your commenters nicknamed you Mr. Cool... That's a good name for you.
Oh lordy, the gasping.