What REALLY Happened To Eliud Kipchoge

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  • Опубликовано: 18 апр 2023
  • The legend Kipchoge placed 6th in this year's boston marathon, but the question remains: what exactly happened?
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  • @lizcastillo1403
    @lizcastillo1403 Год назад +1170

    The top three men had ran the course before, which is a huge advantage. Also, the first part of the marathon he was running at course record time, which most likely destroyed his legs since it’s downhill, and the second half, which is the hilliest, it all caught up to him. I believe he learned his lesson and he will come back stronger than ever. The other athletes had a great strategy to stay behind him. They knew the only way to beat him was to make him do the work. This just proves that he is human, and it doesn’t take anything away from how incredible he is.

    • @gregharrison5479
      @gregharrison5479 Год назад +47

      As a 6 time Boston Marathon finisher , finished 125th at 100th anniversary in 2:27:00, I whole heartedly agree with your concise assessment because I did exactly that at my first attempt. The seduction of the downhill is what makes heartbreak so difficult. I flew to Boston 2 months before my next one and drove to heartbreak and couldn't believe how easy it was to train on. I immediately knew one had to arrive at it fresh enough not to feel it. I applied a strict negative split strategy and breezed the back half. You live and learn. No matter who you are. 👍

    • @michellek8097
      @michellek8097 Год назад +9

      Very wise perspective. As a pacer myself and experiencing courses multiple times certainly gives you an advantage on strategy and you are aware of the demand on your body at different times.

    • @dennispacelli1007
      @dennispacelli1007 Год назад +6

      I did not know he never ran this race are you kidding? The course ate his lunch!You are spot-on the other 3 had a strategy he ran 'balls to the wall' and you are correct net down hill until around 15/16/17 miles to chestnut hill 10k to go. Go 28 min and win it

    • @cathynewyork7918
      @cathynewyork7918 Год назад +12

      @@dennispacelli1007 Yes, Eliud had never run the Boston Marathon before AND had not trained on the course before race day. This was probably a mistake.

    • @eileenwarren5419
      @eileenwarren5419 Год назад +3

      A Solid assesment. This course is basically downhill for the first 8 miles and many, even the most elite runners, find themselves crushing their predicted time in the first half. It is easy to be wiped out at Mile 18 or 20 on this course. I wondered if the rain and cold was an added factor. I believe it was. Those Nikes soak up water like a sponge. That certainly didn't help. (Maybe it's time to switch to Addidas.) He's amazing and was still the crowd favorite. Yet given the unpredictable wide range of weather in Boston during this race, I'm not sure it's ever going to be his record breaker. I've run it in snow and sleet and pouring rain and then in serious heat in 2016. My times have been all over the map on this course. I love watching the best athletes in the world run this race from hometown.😊🎉❤

  • @hershey2581
    @hershey2581 Год назад +939

    Shows how humbling the marathon truly is. Everyone will have a “stinker” every once in a while. It’s 26.2 miles, while Kipchoge has shown unprecedented consistency nobody can win them all at this grueling of a distance

    • @ndi5670
      @ndi5670 Год назад +21

      And whether people want to except it or not, he is getting older. May not like it, but it’s a fact of life.

    • @Luwabi212
      @Luwabi212 Год назад +21

      You can’t win it all when it comes to anything lol. And plus 2:09 is still really fucking incredible

    • @mts7274
      @mts7274 Год назад +7

      @@ndi5670 Has nothing to do with it. He's run slower times at various ages. You can't run a personal best every time you step on the track or enter a race. Get real.

    • @americanninjawarriorkid2643
      @americanninjawarriorkid2643 Год назад +6

      @@mts7274 I agree, although they do have a point. Though age may not have caused his “bad” performance, Kipchoge probably only has a few phenomenal years left. Whether he retires in 1 year or 10 years, he probably will begin to get slower and more injury prone once he he hits his early forties.

    • @mts7274
      @mts7274 Год назад +4

      @@americanninjawarriorkid2643 Good lord that's true for ANY sport, but implying that in this instance is totally laughable, and ignorant. Evans Chebet is 34 years old, and in any future race, if he runs a slower time, it would be just as easy [and ignorant] to say "Well, he is getting older." What a joke.

  • @stealthassasin1day291
    @stealthassasin1day291 Год назад +704

    It's still mind boggling that Kipchoge wasn't in top form during the race and still manage to get 6th place. This is a blemish to his record but still the GOAT.

    • @Amtcboy
      @Amtcboy Год назад +23

      At one point he actually slipped to 7th then 8th, then back to 6th.

    • @notreally2406
      @notreally2406 Год назад +2

      Or, it could be telling of something else 🤔

    • @pervyboy69
      @pervyboy69 Год назад +5

      Had to come off the epo

    • @19Kamau79
      @19Kamau79 Год назад +7

      He was in top form and running to the cold headwind as pacemaker isn't easy and tactically it's disaster against experienced 2:03flat marathon runners. We all should give credit for his Berlin pacers, three of them managed sub1hr half as front runner. Kipchoge has greatest running form but Boston type of course requires also highest Vo2max and perfect downhill skills.

    • @Thomas-fk3cw
      @Thomas-fk3cw Год назад +1

      ​@19Kamau79 Yeah, I'm not an expert but I heard a hilly course isn't favorable for him.

  • @Crayshack
    @Crayshack Год назад +129

    I'd say that him missing the water bottle was a symptom of his problems, not a cause. But, this man is still the GOAT. He had what was clearly an off day and still set a world-class time in a brutal event.

  • @ii5139
    @ii5139 Год назад +103

    I ran my first Marathon today and now I have even EVEN MORE gigantic respect for all the Elite runners!!
    Absolutely brutal!

    • @paypaty
      @paypaty Год назад +1

      Hi how can I join marathon,,

  • @adiman86
    @adiman86 Год назад +110

    Whatever the reason
    -Wether missing water bottle
    -Behave pacer for 1st half of the marathon …
    -heavier shoes
    -left leg hurts
    All these are the reasons
    Simply that day was not his day ..
    But still he is GOAT for me and my generation whatever he did and he will do is the pushing the human beyond his limits
    Hands off thi guy
    ❤❤

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders Год назад

      *missed sugar water bottle.

    • @mikeotis
      @mikeotis Год назад

      Guessing his age by the way he looks i would say he does very well for a 49 year old man.

    • @timtimc2012
      @timtimc2012 Год назад

      Eeeexactly

    • @cathynewyork7918
      @cathynewyork7918 Год назад

      @@mikeotis He is 39, NOT 49.

  • @hutchmusician
    @hutchmusician Год назад +97

    Consider that Kipchoge has been THE target for the entire field to aim at for a lot of his career just like this race, and yet he’s often won despite that. Even in highly suboptimal conditions against a field packed with Boston veterans, he comes sixth. The guy’s incredible.

    • @sethwiley7839
      @sethwiley7839 3 месяца назад

      He's good but Kiptum would have been the future and the goat. He has 3 of 7 best records in the main marathons. It's sad, he could of been the Phelps of Marathons. The Bolt of Marathons. Passed at 24 years age.

  • @fecardona
    @fecardona Год назад +253

    This was like with aircraft accidents: no one single factor brings a plane down, it’s a chain of factors that when connected contribute to the crash. We’ll probably never know, and won’t be able to explain it simply:
    1. Upfront running/breaking the wind
    2. Vaporflys (corrected: Alphaflys) during rain and wet pavement
    3. Left leg problem
    4. Missing the water bottle
    Plus other hypothetical:
    1. Cold temperature
    2. Boston’s track topography
    3. His age

    • @henxDmacssi
      @henxDmacssi Год назад +5

      Agree with what you were saying, he was racing in the AlphaFly 2s though, not the Vapors. Alphas are less of an issue in rain and slippy pavements compared to the Vapors

    • @dannyholley
      @dannyholley Год назад +16

      I'd add "frustration" into the rationale, as well. He was visibly frustrated about being out front, most likely frustrated about his leg issue, and quite possibly frustrated about his shoes and the missed water bottle. Psychologically these may have added up and contributed to what was, for him, a lackluster finish.
      I also agree with you about age. It's the one opponent no one can outrun. If we're lucky enough to live beyond our athletic primes, it will eventually overtake us all.

    • @Nmzc
      @Nmzc Год назад +6

      Most important: Others running better than him

    • @dennispacelli1007
      @dennispacelli1007 Год назад

      PLUS poor strategy going in....Went out too fast he's NOT too old He got cocky out there looking back waving them up stupid run your own damn race PERIOD!

    • @cathynewyork7918
      @cathynewyork7918 Год назад +5

      @@dannyholley It could also be not knowing just how bad the Boston course's hills are. I read somewhere that he had not even gone over the course before race day, and did his "normal marathon training" -- that is, NOT specific hill training. I think if he tries Boston again, he will train better next time and might have a better result.

  • @justinnevins107
    @justinnevins107 Год назад +120

    Yup... I totally agree with him leading theory. I saw him signaling people to take the lead like he did in the Olympics with Rupp too.

    • @RA-lu6mb
      @RA-lu6mb Год назад +20

      He and his coach should've had a game plan if everybody tried to force him to lead the whole time. It's not hard to run to the side, then dramatically reduce your speed for 20 seconds and force someone else to lead. Just my 2 cents.

    • @justinnevins107
      @justinnevins107 Год назад +5

      ​@@RA-lu6mb Possibly. I'm not an elite level marathoner so I don't know for sure. But maybe slowing your pace like that and getting out of your rhythm has negative effects. I mean if it doesn't, why not stop and grab a bottle if it's so important and you miss the grab. Then you could get your bottle and get in the back of the pack. For some reason they don't do that.
      I do know when I am running a marathon I really try to keep an even effort and try not to speed up or slow down too much as it takes more energy for me to do that. Just lock in, shut off your brain and go... which I think is why "following" is much easier than leading.
      Then again even if altering your pace to get others to pass is a viable option, that doesn't mean they WILL pass you. I've see lead runners practically walk in 10K races on the track trying to get someone else to lead, but the followers just slow down too.
      Maybe that's a good tactic? I don't know. Any elite marathoners know if slowing down to let someone else lead (if they don't want to) is a successful strategy? I would like to know.

    • @alex-dk2rj
      @alex-dk2rj Год назад +2

      @@RA-lu6mb yea i mean he could have easily slowed down and forced them to pass him, right?

    • @gm2407
      @gm2407 Год назад +4

      ​@@alex-dk2rjMight be to hard to accellerate rapidly back up to that speed rather than gradually. They are still running fast. It just looks slow because the camera is on a bike.

    • @justinnevins107
      @justinnevins107 Год назад +1

      @@gm2407 exactly, at that pace I'd be running at a full sprint! Of course I'm not super elite, but if you see them live, they are MOVING!

  • @mandoelpaso
    @mandoelpaso Год назад +219

    No one wanted to run next to him because there was a strategy against him.

    • @allstarpriscilla
      @allstarpriscilla Год назад +23

      this!!!!

    • @pigu8734
      @pigu8734 Год назад +13

      duh its a race

    • @rafavince
      @rafavince Год назад +2

      The ones in the front make it easier for the ones running behind...

    • @philoneussquire3877
      @philoneussquire3877 Год назад +30

      @@pigu8734 he means there was a coordinated effort against Kipchoge specifically

    • @pigu8734
      @pigu8734 Год назад +11

      @@philoneussquire3877 that's racing 101 weeding out the strongest guy to increase your chances of winning

  • @micheledaniels6409
    @micheledaniels6409 Год назад +139

    So glad to see this because as I watched the race, it was clear to me that both in the male/female elites, Kipchoge and Bates just paced everyone then the last part of race the field made their move and dropped the pacer. The rain also had to be a factor but I also cannot stop thinking how Kipchoge never even ran any of the course either. I mean sure he's a great visualizer, but Boston is just that different race that I really feel the people who do well here, really run on the course or have raced enough to know the nuances of this course. The top three men all vets of Boston. Kipchoge may win another year, or perhaps Boston will be "that marathon" the one he never wins for some perfect storm reason every year.

    • @chess598
      @chess598 Год назад +15

      I fully agree
      Now that he knows how the downhill -> into Newton Hills works I'm sure next time he will have a better plan. I'm really surprised that a bit after starting when it was apparent that the record wasn't going to be broken, why he didn't just slow up to force other people to lead.

    • @tomandjenmann6359
      @tomandjenmann6359 Год назад +3

      Emma ran a great race but it was inevitable she would get dropped in the final miles. I don't think the comparison with Kipchoge is apples to apples, though. I bet if he comes back next year he'll do better knowing the course better for sure.

  • @cakej1
    @cakej1 Год назад +156

    Finished and finished well. Guys a legend. If a 6th and 8th place in a major marathon upsets people, they should try to do it themselves.

    • @yvesdesrochers8288
      @yvesdesrochers8288 Год назад +13

      I agree, 2h09 is still a vey good time

    • @cakej1
      @cakej1 Год назад +14

      @@yvesdesrochers8288 Indeed, especially at Boston. Marathons can be tricky. I've run 16 in my life, won 9, but they were local ones. He's run the biggest Marathons in the world and done incredible.

    • @Emil-ej5of
      @Emil-ej5of Год назад +3

      I dont think people are upset, just surprised.

    • @dougcampbell9907
      @dougcampbell9907 Год назад +6

      I think he’s the only guy disappointed, but the rest of us are still in awe of his dominance. To have a bad day and run like that is unbelievable to most all of us.

    • @cathynewyork7918
      @cathynewyork7918 Год назад

      Great comment!

  • @alvarojrgalo926
    @alvarojrgalo926 Год назад +39

    He's had a great career you can't keep winning for ever hoping he still has some more good ones in him he's 38 and since the 5000m in France when he was 18 he's been thrilling us.

    • @joewillburn
      @joewillburn Год назад +3

      He's 39. Also, people started the "Oh, he's too old shit" and then he broke 2 hours and won the Olympics again. Everyone has bad days. It had nothing to do with age.

    • @Trailrunner1978
      @Trailrunner1978 Год назад +1

      ​@@joewillburn There's speculations he is actually 44, born in 1978.

    • @joewillburn
      @joewillburn Год назад +2

      @Knut I know. But that still doesn't change my point, and the facts it stated. One bad race doesn't mean a thing. If he starts consistently failing to podium and win, then we can start looking at alternatives.

  • @TischTosh
    @TischTosh Год назад

    This was a really good breakdown. Thanks 👍🏽

  • @Active4life_run
    @Active4life_run Год назад +3

    Marathon's are just cruel beasts! So many variables. Thank you for amazing insights!

  • @olehposhelugniy18
    @olehposhelugniy18 Год назад +18

    This is fantastic result as for 38 years old man.
    Bravo Eliud! Big respect!

    • @jacksonmutua1013
      @jacksonmutua1013 2 месяца назад +1

      Weeeeeeeee 49 yrs 😢 can't you see this is old man

    • @olehposhelugniy18
      @olehposhelugniy18 Месяц назад

      @@jacksonmutua1013 oh. Is he participating this marathon?

  • @NimbzBass
    @NimbzBass Год назад +5

    I would really like to see Kipchoge in next year's Boston, I have no doubt he's not gonna let this loss get to him and he'll for sure keep going hard at it to fix any of the issues he faced in this race

  • @brentburnett6658
    @brentburnett6658 Год назад +224

    He told us what it was and it was his leg. He had an issue with his leg that essentially stop him from racing. Regardless how his legged failed him ….it did not stop him from finishing.
    Conner Mantz was fortunate to even finish as he was getting hypothermia and temp drop to 94
    Had black out tunnel vision and did the smart thing….stop pushing the body to the point where it will lock up ….
    Both these runners know how to deal with pain but are smart enough to back off if they want to finish and run again.
    It is a great accomplishment to finish.
    All these runners had great times. Chebet won again and was capable of making the move needed …. Still no record as the conditions just didn’t line up.
    Conditions were a factor for all them and it impacted even the goat. Missing the bottle hurts too…it wasn’t a miss that cost you minutes. Getting a bum leg will cost you and that likely was from the course when they did downhill running.

    • @Sh0n0
      @Sh0n0 Год назад +11

      He didn’t specify where on his leg and was annoyed when the reporter kept askimg, so I think, maybe it was not his leg but his weiner

    • @oakinwol
      @oakinwol Год назад +2

      ​@@Sh0n0 I mean it's also annoying that the reporter is making it more complicated than it needs to be. It sucks to prepare all that time and then have your legs not feel 100% the one day you have to perform. It doesn't matter what exactly didn't feel fluid it just wasn't at 100%. But he still ran a sub 2:10 at less than 100% that's friggin nuts

    • @roostermiller
      @roostermiller Год назад +4

      Totally agree with the leg thing. I pulled my quad in a warm up for a 10km race in October, and even though I could go faster my leg would let me go faster than 4min per/km pace. I had a lump in my quad that when I lifted my knee it wouldn't go higher and it would shorten my stride The next race in March I ran a 37:45min for a 10km. Now imagine that for a hilly marathon of 42.2km where you need to lift you knee. Yes both my races where at 10'celcius and the March race was wet and windy.

    • @noahhartner7066
      @noahhartner7066 Год назад +2

      It looks a lot like his leg. I just noticed this now but after he was dropped his form looks slightly asymmetrical, almost like his right shoulder is coming forward more than his left. You could tell during the race that his cadence was way down and he had zero explosiveness

    • @RTSridesbikes
      @RTSridesbikes Год назад

      I hope it's not IAE.. That would be bad.

  • @aarondavidson907
    @aarondavidson907 Год назад +45

    I think missing that bottle was a significant factor. When I ran in the Houston marathon, I was struggling around mile 18 and decided to stop grabbing the water and Gatorade cups because I felt like I was wasting more energy to get them than I was gaining. I also skipped my final gel, and it took less than ten minutes after that for me to release what a huge mistake it was. At 30k and beyond, the fluids and gels are just barely keeping you out of the pain train.

    • @k-level
      @k-level Год назад +5

      Kipchoge had less than 40 minutes of running left, digestion takes time, and he got all his other drinks, missing the bottle here was very very likely more mental than physical

    • @codyrunsfast1
      @codyrunsfast1 Год назад

      Water, though very quick to absorb, would not have been able to make a difference so soon after ingesting it. So, it also would not have made a difference so soon after missing it.

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders Год назад +1

      miss your sugar every 20mins and BYE BYE fast times/PR times.

    • @k-level
      @k-level Год назад

      @@durianriders that... wasn't the situation here so did you mean to comment somewhere else?

    • @amblincork
      @amblincork Месяц назад

      I have over 40 marathons done
      ..I would not compare myself to Kipchoge or to any elite marathon runner😊

  • @Empress97
    @Empress97 Год назад +2

    He'll be back to do what he knows to do best, he's just so humble we love him in all seasons 🇰🇪 🇰🇪

  • @ManaJourney.
    @ManaJourney. Год назад +35

    I think he’ll definitely show up to the NY Marathon!

    • @kikio-rq9kx
      @kikio-rq9kx Год назад

      For sure

    • @jameschaves5723
      @jameschaves5723 Год назад +2

      And Evans will beat him again !!!

    • @Tr1Dylan
      @Tr1Dylan Год назад +4

      @@jameschaves5723 I doubt it. If he stays healthy, he will win.

    • @RodRunerr
      @RodRunerr Год назад

      ​@@jameschaves5723 dog

  • @mortenfogh7228
    @mortenfogh7228 Год назад +36

    I love running marathons in 10C, but when it rained, I cooled more than I wanted, and suffered a bit. (I ran Boston on Monday, too) The rain hit me earlier (halfway), so, for me, I was cooler for almost half the race, but Kipchoge is running on the edge. Any issue is going to be a larger factor at his level. There were a few factors, and you hit them. He'll learn and he'll be back. He's still the best. But, Monday, he was human.

    • @tropicalflamingo4580
      @tropicalflamingo4580 Год назад +1

      I ran it also, I thought the weather was pretty good considering it was 92 degrees on the Friday! There was a headwind the whole way also. But to be fair Boston is a tricky course and you need to be familiar with that course to know where to attack and hold back slightly. I agree with you, all true champs come back. Hope he has a crack at NYC!

    • @nachot6592
      @nachot6592 Год назад +1

      Yeah, the top runners "run" at the speed of a regular person's Sprint. For two hours. It is insane.

    • @ShannonSouthAfrica
      @ShannonSouthAfrica Год назад

      What was your time? Is it flattish or hilly?

    • @ShannonSouthAfrica
      @ShannonSouthAfrica Год назад

      ​@@nachot6592 They say that the average person couldn't keep with with these runners on their last km.

  • @tylerpake
    @tylerpake Год назад +3

    Good points! I think he under estimated the course and even afterwards said the course was of no challenge. I think him not being able to pick his leg up as well was also due to the course. He went out fast, ahead of world record pace, so he was pounding the downhills more. It’s the most technical course he’s run. He was also racing against previous winners who knew the course better than him. He’s used to time trialing basically on flat courses with pacers. He may run hills in training but racing them is different. If he does NYC that will become the toughest course he’s done.

  • @Davatai
    @Davatai Год назад

    Great analysis here. You invested time on it

  • @theunknown21329
    @theunknown21329 Год назад +5

    Even the greatest athletes have bad days and that's okay. Everybody is human afterall. Hopefully he keeps on going and inspiring us mortals.

  • @bobbyk9939
    @bobbyk9939 Год назад +6

    I’ve ran in many races where the rain was coming down on my Nike Alphafly Next% 2 and the shoe got really heavy quickly. Heavier shoes caused my legs to get more tired quickly than during any training events. Totally understand how he lost gas at the end.

  • @williamsalazar523
    @williamsalazar523 Год назад +9

    I am disappointed for Kipchoge - as all are who follow his marathon running are. I think your analysis is spot on: a combination of factors contributed to his performance. Stay tune. He will rebound.

    • @mawazochanya2081
      @mawazochanya2081 Год назад +1

      dont be disappointed he did great though.There is lot of Marathons out there

    • @LegendarySkypenis
      @LegendarySkypenis 22 дня назад

      Disappointed in him? Tell that to face. It's so fucking hard to do this at a high level. He does it for himself not for you.

  • @wilmarsuarez9248
    @wilmarsuarez9248 Год назад +3

    Eliud number one forever❤💪✊

  • @Robert_McGarry_Poems
    @Robert_McGarry_Poems Год назад +12

    He said something about cramps, that would only take a few minutes. The shoes is also a good point though.

  • @ludovicpiejos4379
    @ludovicpiejos4379 Год назад +5

    For me I agree with the pace setting, he literally covered everybody for most of the race. I think his plan might change to try Boston again before doing New York because he needs to recover first before to build up again.
    For the shoes I wear the Vaporfly and they are pretty good about water so I am wondering if he maybe should have tried the v3?

  • @jordans1712
    @jordans1712 Год назад +14

    100% correct on the rain theory. I ran it finished in 2:55:01. I heard a lot of shoes sounding like feet landing in bowls of soup when hitting the ground. Even when no heavy rain was apparent. Also the final headwind in the 4-5 miles is stout.

    • @jimmyhart3191
      @jimmyhart3191 8 месяцев назад

      facts, Alpha flys and tempos are very bad with water

  • @oraziolucia991
    @oraziolucia991 Год назад +1

    Love Eliud, is a legend and he is a very humble man!!!

  • @emilioo5349
    @emilioo5349 Год назад +2

    Hi TRP, I agree; I think that all these factors added up to Kipchoge's result, but one makes totally sense for me it is the Nike Alphas; for those whom run on them, for sure we have noticed that Alpha Fly performs badly in wet surfaces, basically they become slippy and with that speed and setting the pace of the leaders without any backup it had had caused him some degree of discomfort on his leg that eventually cause an injury that holded him until the end of the race. Anyways, even with that in mind it is a great result; I think he needs to train even harder for impredictible conditions of Boston besides the hilly and challenging route of it.

  • @ishathakor
    @ishathakor 7 месяцев назад +1

    it's honestly kind of insane that even on a bad day he ran a sub 2 hr 10 min marathon. like even when he couldn't perform that well he still placed 6th... and ran a really good time still... when he was the pacemaker too and in such bad conditions as well...

  • @thibod07
    @thibod07 Год назад +2

    I see an amazing athlete among other amazing athletes being out performed. This is the beauty of marathon racing you never know for sure how things will pan out for you.

  • @ninoenriquez2431
    @ninoenriquez2431 Год назад +1

    I think you hit a lot of the main points and a lot more I didn't think about, great vid!

  • @jeffreyrule8143
    @jeffreyrule8143 Год назад

    U nailed all the reasons. Thanks.

  • @rockybalboa61
    @rockybalboa61 Год назад +14

    Righty said by someone, a marathon humbles out anyone and everyone. Every athlete, especially the elite ones train to perform their best in the worst conditions. Let’s take a moment to Congratulate the winner. Well hope he comes back stronger, but one thing is for sure , you are a GOAT only if you perform and outperform others when the conditions are far from ideal . Let’s hope he achieves this feat . Till then wish everyone lots of luck and good health.

  • @Klian159
    @Klian159 Год назад +2

    Yep Totally agree with the factors that prevent Kipchoge from winning. His body doesn't seem to work in humind/rainy weathers, plus he had other issues like left leg and missing one of the fuel or even more stations. But you k this is only the beginning of Boston for Kipchoge, he always learn from his failures and with this experience, I am sure he will win the next one!

  • @stevemt3238
    @stevemt3238 Год назад +5

    Agree that Kipchoge functioned as the rabbit, pacesetter, and windbreaker for the others. In a marathon, all of that extra energy expenditure, and psychological stress take a cumulative toll.

  • @ZimCrusher
    @ZimCrusher 8 месяцев назад +1

    I ran the LA marathon twice.
    The hottest day on record, and the coldest day on record (with lots of rain).
    This was between 1995-2005 (can't remember the exact years).
    These 2 years followed each other, and yet I went from 5:10:00 to 4:05:00. Having never done a marathon before.
    Running in 6 inch deep water, sucks, and running with a trash bag as a rain jacket sucks more, but it's not going to make you just give up.
    Batman ran the second time I was there, and his cape HAD to have been soaked, and he still made good time.

  • @frankmarquez6934
    @frankmarquez6934 Год назад

    You're right about the pacing. Nice explainer.

  • @peterkisidaj9329
    @peterkisidaj9329 Год назад +1

    Great analyze. I think all those 3 facts impacted Eliud's race out of his plan, definitely avoid adding energy by missing bottle after 30K is critical for holding another 12K in such amazing pace and be like a pacer for a long time in the weather which seams to be not ideal for him, must have had some impact on his performance. If water in his Alphaflys, hard to say, but also might have though smaller impact. I think, missing bottle and pacing on the hilly course are 2 key facts behind his slowing down to the end of race. Still incredible that he missed the win only in 3 marathon races!!! This makes him still undisputed G.O.A.T. 💪💪Thanks a lot for great thoughts!

  • @Darkgemstar
    @Darkgemstar Год назад +5

    Few people can achieve 6th place in that time. He did extremely well. Of course I wanted him to win but he is a determined athlete. He will push pass this.

  • @trevorregay9283
    @trevorregay9283 Год назад +4

    Very good points.....well, I think it was the combo of events that took its toll on him......forced to be the pacer, wearing shoes that weren't ideal for rain, and missing his last water bottle .....all added up to him probably getting a cramp or tightness in his left hip.....and that was the end for him......I don't think people realize that for these guys to run these crazy marathon times, everything has to work like clockwork, otherwise, even the simplest things can throw you off.....the other runners did not have any of this happen to them.......they didn't pace, they had better shoes and they didn't miss their water bottle at the end....so, at this elite level these thing count....a LOT.

  • @robertmorrison5728
    @robertmorrison5728 Год назад +3

    All good points, though the most important reason is his left leg was not responding as he needed it to. Sometimes that happens, especially when getting older. A slight injury like an aggravated nerve, would take away his ability to perform at his highest level and that would be that.

  • @yijuntey
    @yijuntey Год назад +2

    Shows that kipchoge is the goat, but he is also still human. You can be as prepared as you want but you cant control external factors and sometimes some things just doesn’t go perfectly which could cause the downfall of any athlete

  • @darklordlc
    @darklordlc Год назад +23

    I think is was a combination of coming out too hot on his pace, the weather, and I think he underestimated the course. The top 3 are all Boston vets. That being said, experience is a great teacher and if he attempts this race again, he knows the course now. Much respect to Evans Chebet. Back to back wins is an amazing accomplishment.

    • @joewillburn
      @joewillburn Год назад +1

      He was running with an injury

  • @nicl8749
    @nicl8749 Год назад +1

    You can make as many excuses as you want, even the best have bad days, overtraining, tiredness, could be anything, we have to realise, he’s only human.

  • @user-ib3mt7iu6z
    @user-ib3mt7iu6z Год назад

    I am Kenyan and I think this commentary is right on

  • @BillyBob-yb5ht
    @BillyBob-yb5ht Год назад

    Great post.

  • @S33NWiNTERS
    @S33NWiNTERS 11 месяцев назад

    You the beast kipchoge, give us another decade bro

  • @josephkimani7775
    @josephkimani7775 Год назад

    A great insight.......well thought of

  • @Navilx_
    @Navilx_ 3 месяца назад

    Imagine being such at such an extreme level even among other elite athletes that a 6th place finish is such a shock to the running world, and the reasons you didn't win had to be analyzed and there's zero assumption it had anything to do with your fitness level compared to others. What a legend this guy is...

  • @Jus10-born2Run
    @Jus10-born2Run Год назад +1

    He will learn from this, he and his team will analyze the race, and he'll be back. When you run a course for the first time, the second time is usually always an improvement even just from a mental standpoint. (I am not an "elite" runner but I do run marathons). Weather, conditions, prior training routes etc compared to the race course, all makes a difference. More than missing a drink at an aid station.

  • @PrinceOfAllSaiyajinz
    @PrinceOfAllSaiyajinz Год назад +4

    Bottle claus has real affects on Eliud's success. There's a whole video on him and how he does his job on handing over the bottles to Eluid, successfully!

  • @lukemallory7832
    @lukemallory7832 Год назад +2

    In 2008, I was a good amatuer runner, unattached to a club and proud of it. I had secretly been training for a 5km 'beach' race on sand. What I didn't know was there was a water section. I had been wearing 2 pairs of socks for comfort and regular running shoes. At the halfway point I was in the lead pack, building up to a sprint finish. Then we hit the water. My socks took on all the water, each foot weight about 1kg I would say. It literally killed me. My pace collapsed with 500 to go and everyone ran away. I finished 18th, 40 seconds behind. In my view, the water-logged shoe theory is what happened. These guys would very sensitive to conditions and even a small amount of water would have altered everything.

  • @frankzimmermann3114
    @frankzimmermann3114 Год назад

    The theory about the soaked shoes is very interesting! ❤

  • @luckymaluleke
    @luckymaluleke Год назад +2

    It was a bad day at the office. He finished the race with a good time and did not quit. Regardless of this performance, he remains the GOAT.

    • @jepuskar
      @jepuskar Год назад

      irregardless...not regardless.

  • @chloeledieff1462
    @chloeledieff1462 Год назад +1

    He is still a phenomenal runner, even if he didn’t win this time. No one can win every time. Eliud is still the GOAT to me

  • @michaeldeierhoi4096
    @michaeldeierhoi4096 Год назад

    This was a good insightful analysis about he why Kipchoge ran a slower time then he is capable of. Personally I think the soaked shoe and running in front for as long as he did were the biggest issues.
    I want to point out to that you misstated that missing water stop Kipchoge missed out on getting nutrition. The water stop is about HYDRATION not nutrition. The runners usually don't get any nutrition during a run though sometimes fruit like oranges are available. But regardless you were referring to the water stop which is about hydration only.

  • @giacomocoveri5975
    @giacomocoveri5975 Год назад

    Thank you for this video! Maybe this explains why in London everyone were wearing Vaporfly 2?

  • @user-ku4sz7tu5q
    @user-ku4sz7tu5q Год назад +2

    Eliud will be legend forever in this sport.That said, don't disrespect Evans and any other professional runners who finished before him. They are absolute top elite runners who have done everything to get those positions. 42k is not an easy work. Anything can happen.

  • @johnwilson5743
    @johnwilson5743 Год назад +1

    TRP. Excellent speculation. One, or more probably, a combination of temperature, rain, shoes and not getting shelter behind others, put paid to his "normal" burst of power over the last 10k. Plus, of course, his missing his bottle at the 30k feed-station. Many thanks for a great video. Cheers.

  • @wrinkledasian5206
    @wrinkledasian5206 Год назад +2

    He's an inspiration. I can watch his running form all day.

  • @emanuelsantos5585
    @emanuelsantos5585 Год назад +1

    He still the GOAT and got the medal!!! 😊

  • @ArJayDM
    @ArJayDM 11 месяцев назад

    Never knew people followed marathon athletes so closely. I mean obviously, it makes sense, i just never gave it a thought compared to ball sports. They deserve the recognition, insane athletes.

  • @travis2905
    @travis2905 Год назад +3

    patrick sang isn’t exactly my coach but he helps me with my running. i was texting him and according to sang kipchoges left quadricep was giving him trouble. missing the water bottle was the straw that broke the camels back. also sang told me the injury was nothing serious and he’ll be back out racing in no time.

  • @JPcomunica
    @JPcomunica Год назад +29

    Only he knows what happened to him. He still a human and sometimes we believe he is unbeatable, but he is not. Still, I think he is the best marathoner ever!

    • @beingsophy7927
      @beingsophy7927 Год назад

      Sure

    • @joewillburn
      @joewillburn Год назад +2

      He told us what happened.

    • @Nmzc
      @Nmzc Год назад

      @@joewillburn Others running better than him, thats what happened.

    • @joewillburn
      @joewillburn Год назад +2

      @@Nmzc he had an injury where his leg wasn't lifting as it should. Yes, he was beaten on the day. Doesn't mean anything significant about his career.

    • @Nmzc
      @Nmzc Год назад

      @@joewillburn Sure, but many others running with injuries as well.

  • @washedup_adventurer
    @washedup_adventurer Год назад

    Potentially the strategy of the athletes around Kipchoge. Seems like a good technique to tire the best on the field.

  • @peterlandriault5733
    @peterlandriault5733 Год назад +2

    I wouldn’t call running 2:09 a ‘loss’

  • @aparent100
    @aparent100 Год назад

    The GOAT underestimated BOSTON! Probably the toughest and most unpredictable marathon of all!

  • @andreafennessey7975
    @andreafennessey7975 Год назад +2

    I think first time running Boston played a factor. His wins have been on fairly neutral courses. Bostons a different breed.

  • @Shandy6733
    @Shandy6733 9 месяцев назад

    First man in history to have 3 marathon Olympic gold medals EK!!!

  • @edvinr6350
    @edvinr6350 Год назад +1

    Elliud clearly stated in interview that his upper left leg was bothering him.

  • @nathankoroush7918
    @nathankoroush7918 Год назад +2

    Nobody stays on top forever.

  • @peter7371
    @peter7371 Год назад +16

    I legit honestly think that Boston just did what Boston does. No matter if it’s Kipchoge, running that course is totally a diff animal. All top 3 have been here before and are “specialists” per se of the course. No matter if Eliud trains in the hills of Kenya just like them, racing it is a diff story. I was thinking that if he won Boston he might as well go for NYC. But maybe he will get a fast one in during the fall (like Chicago) and attack Boston again during the spring of 2023. 😊

  • @belliiahmed
    @belliiahmed Год назад +1

    What happened: Injury in left leg just like 2020 London Marathon
    Nothing else can stop him from winning

  • @gordonwaldner9792
    @gordonwaldner9792 Год назад +12

    Every athlete has a poor day once in a while.

  • @d9chen
    @d9chen Год назад +2

    A lot of excusses. He lost, theeothers runners won with a good margin. He is still the GOAT, and he will be back. Let the man live som huh.
    And to be fair, and loss is often the biggest lesson.
    If he is the GOAT, and he lost because of water in his shoes, he still have things to learn. A good reminder to us other mortals: We can allways learn new things and evolve.
    Wishing him all the best - What an absolut beast!

  • @JordiRuns
    @JordiRuns Год назад +2

    Not that it makes a difference but the top 3 athletes were sporting the adidas adios pro 3 and those are unique with Continental branded rubber grip on the outsole.

  • @sstevogb
    @sstevogb Год назад +9

    “Running up front is not a recipe for victory” Jakob - “hold my beer”

    • @tomascanevaro4292
      @tomascanevaro4292 Год назад

      kiplimo or ingerbritsen?

    • @Trailrunner1978
      @Trailrunner1978 Год назад

      ​@@tomascanevaro4292 Jakob Ingebrigtsen. Nobody cares about Kiplimo quotes. 😂

    • @Luwabi212
      @Luwabi212 Год назад +1

      Yeah he runs the 1500m way different type of race from a marathon a 1500m now a days is almost a sprint

  • @fran6b
    @fran6b Год назад +1

    I think he wanted to try to break the time record of the marathon. That would explain his high pace in the first half in front. If he specifically aimed for the win, his race's strategy would have been different, I guess.
    But you said it all.

  • @technoracko
    @technoracko Год назад

    Agree with u, the strategy and rain and shoes really cost

  • @alejorojas9563
    @alejorojas9563 Год назад +2

    Kipchogue is used to run with a team, sometimes the team's runners working for him...in this marathon we can see Kipchogue telling the other runners take the lead... But the other top runners were just waiting to the the chance to attack..

  • @chesstables
    @chesstables Год назад +5

    Waterlogged shoes + socks. My feet got soaked in Nike vaporflys during a half marathon in thick fog. Definitely has an effect.

    • @gp9775
      @gp9775 Год назад +1

      Everyone’s shoes would’ve been waterlogged then, would’nt have been an effect

  • @houseofneutronstars1708
    @houseofneutronstars1708 Год назад +1

    He has tried his best this time. I doubt if he can ever break his own world record. But if he can, it will be a great study subject for anti-aging medicine.

  • @JohnRuggero
    @JohnRuggero Год назад +2

    The waterlogged shoes theory actually makes sense. I’ve noticed how little water my prime X and Takumi Sens soak up when it is raining. They have basically no padding to absorb water and sweat and the materials on the rest of the shoe are non porous.

    • @davidh5429
      @davidh5429 Год назад +1

      The Alphafly barely hold any moist, no way this was a factor. Missing a water bottle can end a race at this level.

  • @koenvanurk6596
    @koenvanurk6596 Год назад +4

    To be fair, every athlete out there, even Kipchoge, was “endorsed by Adidas” on their bib 😇

  • @justrandomthings112
    @justrandomthings112 8 месяцев назад

    There are a lot of factors. Rain, wind, shoes, age, water, health, weight, height, hills, etc.

  • @kleifgonzales6573
    @kleifgonzales6573 Год назад +2

    Kipchoge is 38 years old folks. Unfortunately, our body and performance begins to deteriorate at this age. ” wear and tear”

  • @eunicepadilla4355
    @eunicepadilla4355 Год назад +2

    Les go!!!

  • @MattsCradleTV
    @MattsCradleTV Год назад +3

    I can relate to the shoes getting heavy when soaked. An extra 200 grams load on each leg because of wet shoes can really do harm. Especially when running for 2 hours.

  • @guustavonazareth
    @guustavonazareth Год назад +5

    Excellent analysis, and to think that with all these obstacles he still had an excellent race.
    In my view, the other competitors were selfish to let him lead the race for so long...

    • @andrewpeterson5882
      @andrewpeterson5882 11 месяцев назад

      Agree but it's hard to fault them, he has been the biggest target in every marathon he's run for years now and he's the one to beat in every race he runs, so it's not like any of his competitors are looking to make things easier for him.

  • @psschroe42
    @psschroe42 Год назад +9

    I still think cold and wet leaves him unable to be warm enough. I think you should examine more of this aspect.

  • @indoorandoutdoorendurance3889
    @indoorandoutdoorendurance3889 Год назад +1

    ...I wouldn't worry, and I hope he's happy.... Life isn't just about winning and setting PRs. People can get a lot of satisfaction out of exercising for the sake of all the benefits it provides. ...No Need To Stress About Competition....

  • @KateMorganStyle
    @KateMorganStyle 4 месяца назад

    And he still made top ten despite possible blisters

  • @pimpjuice186
    @pimpjuice186 Год назад

    Same thing happens in cycling people sit on to the strong person I believe his best performance days are behind him his biggest obstacle will be the new generation his legacy is cemented as the Goat…for now

  • @lazarusnjenga4678
    @lazarusnjenga4678 2 месяца назад

    He gave it to them he has a good heart

  • @synchronium24
    @synchronium24 Год назад +5

    If waterlogged shoes were the main problem, I would expect him to have trouble lifting both legs. Not just the left one.

    • @DarkPa1adin
      @DarkPa1adin Год назад

      Most likely his left is his weaker leg, that's why

    • @mauricepointer9555
      @mauricepointer9555 Год назад

      ​@@DarkPa1adin When you said that, I remember from one of the NN Running documentaries, the physiotherapist mentioned why they need to do the exercises for strength such as stretching, 'you are weaker on one side ' Imbalance can play a factor in altering your mechanics. Not a physiotherapist myself, but can relate to what happened.

    • @leendeen8745
      @leendeen8745 Год назад

      …and why do things wear out in one spot first? mystery