BTW. World aquatics (at the time they were called FINA), the governing body for swimming, banned the fastest swimsuits ever created in 2009. Every world record since has been swam with a significantly slower suit
@@michaelmackelvie can you comment on the mistiming of the FGJ up run the wind machine didn't work. Look at the wind times for the long jump, there's data from the wind machine for that and then compare the average times of all the athletes. There is a paper on this I believe and it's showing pretty definitively that record had between a 5-7mps tailwind so should never be counted. And long after the 4 minute mile we still had an Ethiopian break a marathon world record barefoot again not a fair comparison. I generally love your content but felt your arguments in this were much poorer and worse researched than your other videos. Like for example after Steph's performance in the gold medal game all I could think about was your video on momentum
@@Dana__black imagine thinking complements are meatriding, leaving brainrot everywhere dont make you funny "oh Im so cool and not like the other kids" imagine having writing dana black and going "yea this gon get all the ladies🤓" what a nerd😂😂😂
I love the Owens vs Bolt thing and generally think older athletes(especially the freaks) as too often discredited. However, this is a very dishonest argument by NOT talking about laser time vs hand time. Hand times are... Not even close to accurate. Especially when you have high school kids running a 4.4 40(hand time), then going to a Nike camp and getting a much more accurate 4.6(laser time). Should be a very important part of the Bolt vs Owens discussion
It's more about procedure. 4.4 hand time may be from call to pass. Or it may be react to pass. NFL standard procedure is reacted to pass. It's still a hand time with an electronic finish. So a person will watch for movement. And when they see it, start the timer. Then the laser at the end stops the timer. So the procedure matters far more than the type of timing. Example. We did 40 yard dash at work (strength and conditioning coach) amount the coaches. My time was 5.0. Our slower power lifter was 4.9. How did that happen? Because we used a laser start, and it was placed on my front ankle. So when my front foot cleared, time started. I was a football player HS and used 2 point stance, so my first step in front foot up back foot drive. But the other coach was a rugby player so his style was front foot drive back foot lift. Because the timer was on our front foot, he got a full stride in before the time started.
@@youmed1567 They KNOW it is an absolute advantage with hand timed times. In the 60:s they had olympics on other competitions where they used both so they could compare them. Hand timed times was about 0.15-0.20 seconds faster than what the real times was. Not surprising since this is the reaction time (plus eventual speed of sound travelling if they didn't' look at the smoke of the gun. Or if there was no smoke from the gun).
@@youmed1567 Hand time is an advantage.. We're talking about World records here they likely aren't going to be achieved when the measurement error is against you but probably even has to be on your side.
if this were earlier in youtube when the algorithm didn't heavily favor daily or weekly uploads and consistent schedules, this channel would be popping off. It's fantastic work, deserves more recognition.
I thoroughly enjoyed these Olympics for the most part, and I for one do not need records to be broken time and time again to appreciate the greatness of today's athletes. 😊 Just enjoy the current moment, the current crop of special sporters. 😉👏
The throws, pole vault, and the 400 hurdles are just about the only track and field records being touched these days. It’s not a coincidence that these are some of the most technical disciplines in the sport. Of course the mixed relays are being regularly broken but that’s only because they’re so new
Ehh, world records are being beaten all the time nowadays, what are you yalking about? Jakob Ingebrigtsen just took down the 3000m world record. The marathon has been beaten multiple times, last time being last year
Eh, it's the same thing really with Bubka and Duplantis as with Owens and Bolt. Just like Duplantis, Bubka just increased the WR by 1 cm every time, to get maximum pay-outs for it. Just like Duplantis, we don't really know the actual limit of Bubka, because he never really reached it. What we do know is that todays poles are much better than the ones Bubka had, because technology advanced. It would be a very close battle between the two in equal circumstances.
@@DrQuatsch Agreed. Also, we have better understanding of training methods and nutrition, and Duplantis will have better video technology to analyse his motions than Bubka had. In my mind Bubka single-handedly brought pole vaulting to a whole new level, and for a long time nobody was able to even approach that level. Duplantis is now doing something very similar, but in a different era. They are both the greatest of their own era. Period. Someone who takes the term GOAT literally lacks a proper perception of history.
During the last century the athletic size/selection globally has also increased significantly as has the opportunity for better training around the world.
Yep, basically everything is getting optimized bit by bit. Just like semiconductor technology improves over time, so does our understanding of how to train athletes. Video technology now allows us to optimize every aspect of movement. Big data allows us to optimize every aspect of strategy. Of course at some point we will run into the physical limitations of the human body, but we can also switch from measuring time in hundreds of a second to thousands of a second ;-).
@@kevinwilson3337less. Modern detection has decimated what can be deployed and how close to competition. These days you basically have to be completely completely clean on competition day. Realize that up until early 2000s we couldn’t even detect blood doping done on day of competition. Now biological passports are documented, anabolic agents that couldn’t be detected in blood can now be detected in urine months after deployment. Of course doping still exists, but in 2000 you could literally pee out a pharmacy and pass tests, now picograms are detected.
He forgot to consider that runners in the 1930s were wearing metal spikes and running on a cinder track. Those differences in conditions would significantly increase the times of modern runners.
The rules and their enforcement were vastly different from Cousy's time. Not a single NBA player from the 80s to today (with maybe the exception of the big fundamental Tim Duncan) could play in Cousy's time without a significant adaptation period to their game. It would be travelling, palming, and offensive charges on nearly every single play. I'm not an old head by birth, but those OG NBA greats deserve their respect.
This is delusional. We live in an era where bigs can shoot the 3, and you think nobody can go back to an era where the 3 didn't exist or barely existed and not catch and shoot uncontested? Nobody is guarding from the 3 in the 60s because it didn't exist, so anyone from today is wide open to do whatever they want. This is just a single aspect of the game of today that smokes the 60s era. It's not even a competition.
@@nicktubby9710 The NBA is different because there is so much difference in rule interpretation. Even a 10 year period can have a massive difference in rule interpretation. Iverson would have been called for palming, Harden would have been called for traveling, Lebron for charging. Most sports don't change there rules or "interpretation" of the rules as often.
This is simply not true and I'm so sick of people acting like players from today couldn't take like a week to adapt to the rules and look lightyears better. Bob Cousy was drafted THREE YEARS after the NBA was founded. You don't think in almost 75 years since then, that scouting, training, nutrition, exercise and overall performance haven't gotten significantly better? Do you think people solved basketball back when it was barely even a professional sport?
@@nicktubby9710 That's not what he said. He said if you put today's players in Cousy' NBA they wouldn't be able to survive because they would constantly travel, carry and commit offensive fouls. Today's game looks different because today's players are playing a different sport. The rules under which Bob Cousy was playing were vastly different from today's rules so much so that they are different sports and the comparison is in most cases meaningless. And no, he didn't compare them, he said what would happen if you put today's players in the 1950s and 1960s and he is correct.
All this talk about old athletes not being able to qualify for today's olympics and still the record for the high jump is 30+ years old, makes it even more impressive that with all the progress that sports has made nobody could touch it. nothing beats elite genetics
As humans, we tend to be overconfident. There were certainly warriors a few thousand years ago who were in as good of shape as elite modern athletes. The gladiators were the professional athletes of their day. There's nothing new under the sun, and it's important to stay humble. Never think too highly of yourself, because then you'll have less reason to improve.
@@M98747 This is incorrect. These warriors were very athletic and would compare well vs. the general population but today's athletes are trained using knowledge and equipment that just didn't exist back then. Bodybuilders in the early 1900s had relatively flat chests for instance because they didn't do any bench presses and instead did floor presses, which lack the deep stretch in the bottom of the rep that triggers hypertrophy. And their equipment and training methods were already more advanced than how athletes and soldiers would have trained in ancient Greece. If you want to see how ancient warriors looked like, you should see how the strongest individuals among tribal people in a subsistence agriculture society look like. They're athletic and lean but not big.
A large factor is also, that the last 4 years where hard for competition sports across the board. The pandemic surely set many aspiring talents back for a bit.
A little hotter in the summer but it covers up the stains on my white tees lol
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I think doping is a big reason that records nowadays are so hard to break. Don't get me wrong, of course there is a human limit and the gains to be made in nutrition and conditional will become more marginal as time goes on. The truth is, however, that most (if not all) records in athletics are set using some form of doping. Doping detection is getting better and better, meaning athletes get away with increasingly less extreme drugs and in smaller doses. To break the record, you have to be faster than an athlete in the past who is on more drugs than you... Even when not competing, athletes get regularly checked, meaning it is a lot harder to go on a cycle outside competition or in the off-season.
The graph at 2:09 is terribly deceiving the last period from 2020 to 2024 on the horizontal axis looks as long as the 20 year gaps before that... Misrepresenting data to prove a point is not good journalism.
Spot on, however he's not a journalist. That profession implies certain standards are respected at least in theory. He's a content maker, free as a bird.
@divinewillie2973 I'm a data analyst...I don't want to support people who misrepresent data. Also, if he's willing to be misleading in a simple chart, how can I trust the informationin this video?
Another amazing video. There's very few channels on RUclips that I consider events where I have to make some popcorn and sit down and watch the video instead of just having it on while I'm working and your channel is one of them. I typically reserve those for creators like EmpLemon, Jon Bois, or Lemmino, but your videos are up there too. It is insane how much quality adding a little bit of the human element does to videos, and why so few choose to use it, but your skill with including that rivals EmpLemon and Jon Bois in my opinion.
I think any sane basketball fan knows today's players are just plain better than those in 1992. That being said, if those players were born in the same era as today with the same level of training/conditioning/analytics available it will be a different story. Keep in mind one thing not discussed in this video was the rule changes that favors the game today too. Stuff like hand checking/handling rules made the game evolve way more. Hell back if Kyrie/AI played under the rules in the 60s, every cross over they do will be considered a travel. It's practically a different game between the 60s-90s-today.
@@NYCharlie718exactly. so crazy to me that such a massive population of sports fans can’t figure out that players should be compared to their own competition. I don’t see scientists claiming Einstein was overrated because he was working with plumbers and firemen lol.
@@NYCharlie718 Yep, I think trying to compare across generations with different play styles and knowledge of the game is what makes the discussion interesting. Clearly basketball players are better today (and importantly, there are *more* elite basketball players today), so it's fun trying to figure out how the Dream Team players would adapt to the modern game with their raw abilities and natural IQ. Of course, most discussions devolve into name-calling and accusations of "softness", which I don't find particularly interesting lol
To be fair to women’s sprinters: the 100, 200, 400, and 800m records were set before out of competition testing was introduced. Given the prevalence of state-sponsored doping in eastern block countries in the 80s, along with the suspicions (and wind readings) about Flo-Jo, it’s not hard to imagine that some if not all of these records should have asterisks. Very much looking forward to new athletes coming through and breaking these astronomical barriers
Americans are and have always been bigger users of doping than Russians and their allies. Americans are the ones that didn't start doping testing when everyone else had to do doping tests. Western propaganda twisting reality on its head as per usual.
The Flo-Jo wind record is extremely silly. Also... every other sprinter in Bolt's era was eventually found to be doping. My conspiracy theory is that he was much too important to the sport to be caught.
this is an amazing video, if I don't see this with 15 mil views in a year from now i'd be unpleasantly surprised; very high quality video keep up the good work much love
12:00 barkley may have shot 26% for his career from 3 but shot 7 out of 8 from 3 in the dream team run. the line being closer definitely made a difference. depends by what rules they played as well. also what kind of defense could they play, hand checking and physicality
Not having to guard anything beyond the arc would make it extremely easy for the 24 team to defend them. And watching those clips of the 92 team they all just sagged off their man no handchecking involved
You are allowed to hand check in Olympic basketball even today. Y'all make it sound like hand checking is some magic bullet that today's players just couldn't handle lmao
Man i never sub when people tell me to in the video.. but man, i didn't even hesitate to smash your sub button. you're really one of one. you make videos a 10 million subscriber channel will make and no one would think the quality doesn't match the quantity of the channel. Earned my respect man.
@@michaelmackelvie also she was almost certainly on steroids. just about all track athletes were from 1984-2004. They are much more strict about drug testing now.
The older Olympics were far less diverse, especially the early ones. They did not have the best athletes from all over the world. Not enough people were involved. We will see more surges of new body types and records broken when more countries develop and get more involved in the Olympics. and sports in general. Globalization is changing everything.
Beautiful analysis as always man. Im interested to see the debates in the comments later. NBA players are certainly smarter and better today than before, but that is NOT a knock on the previous players AT ALL. Idk why ppl have to praise one generation of players by bashing another generation, instead of appreciating them both. They're ALL great, and I'm enjoying the moment 💪🏾
I appreciate your nuanced take on basketball. Too many people are either “done with 90’s” or too high on nostalgia to recognize how far the sport has progressed over the years. As with most things, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There will always be a reason to hate on greatness, but many many more reasons to celebrate it. Awesome vid btw ;)
I think we will see another surge of insane athletes 8-12 years from now due to the existence of RUclips. These next gen kids have grown up with high quality and plentiful guides for everything that are free and easy to access. I played on an academy team (handpicked players by professional soccer clubs for youth development) and have stayed in touch with the program after quitting and leaving for college. These younger kids are insane. All the tricks that me and my teammates spent our late teens learning, they already have mastered at age 11. If they want to learn a very specific trick or a hard shot like a knuckleball, they just find it online and practice. I think when the next generation of RUclips kids reach the 23-26 year window, they are going to usher in a new era of play.
lets not act like the international teams didnt get better and bigger after 92. 13:25 you can see the stark difference in opposition size, given the reasons listed plus that, of course the 92 team would want to post up more.
Huge fan of 90s NBA. Jordan especially. Jokic would cook David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and Tim Duncan in the same game. They would think he's a sorcerer with those one leg fadeaway Larry bird three's.
I seriously love your videos, they're always super well edited, with interesting sources! Also, might be a bit out of your usual field, but it'd be fun to watch a video about Why we always seek to rank players, even across eras. Maybe something a bit more anthropological / philosophical, perhapscomparing it to other sports, across continents etc.
In all honesty, all these 1980s and before record that still stand should honestly be considered illegal by default. Those old Warsaw Pact athletes, most notably GDR, USSR and Czechoslovakia, were filled to the brim with doping. They weren't made out of flesh and blood, but out of testosterones and steroids. Pretty sure I saw a documentary back years ago where some of these women just started transitioning from female into male due to the number of PEDs, sueing former coaches in the process. It says a ton that in the 35+ years since then we have all these developments in the medical field, technology, training, food, lifestyle and what not and we still don't come close to some of these records. And if people actually beat one of those records, it's suspicious on its own, because how are they faster/stronger than people from an era where careers were ended with modern era minor injuries. It's weirdly the same with climbing records in cycling. A ton of 1990s records still stand, due to its infamous EPO era (similar to MLB's steroids era) That being said: I do think there is a limit on what a human body can. The same reason I think the dunk contest should be abolished in the NBA. These are the upper echelon of uper echelon of elite athletes, at some point they have alreadt done what even they can physically do.
@@0ompaLoompa There was already a plan of some American billionaire to host something like this where doping is freely and openly allowed, not sure how far that is developed. In which I can almost guarantee there will at least one death at the spot. Anti PED measurements aren't just to upheld fair play, they are also there to protect athletes from themselves. Something like EPO is a cancer med, healthy people (which these people usually are) shouldn't even consider taking this.
One of the best videos and channels I've ever come across. I routinely see click baiters and trash upload channels with 700k + subscribers. The quality of your vids are not even comparable with them. This channel is bound to explode
Alternative theory: doping was more difficult to detect during the 80's. That's why some records that was won then is hard to beat for a clean athlete today.
In terms of the athletics, the womens sprint records are dominated by state doping (and possibly a faulty wind reading in the 100m) and the mens havent been broken due to one genetic outlier (Bolt). Additionally less records are broken in athletics in the olympics as the pacerless format leads to more tactical races where they start slow and finish fast. The swimming records are standing mainly due to now illegal swim suits developed by nasa in 08/09. The pool in paris was also quite shallow (just 2m) so there were many more waves than usual for the swimmers slowing them down.
I feel like part of the reason we dont see world records broken at the Olympics is because these athletes have to go through so many qualification rounds, if the go all out every time they will break themselves before they even get a chance at gold, like imagine running 2 1.5km then 2 5km and then doing a Marathon in the span of like 3-5days these people are insane
Mind how the 2024 Avengers have better stats and metrics shown around the 16 minute mark than the Dream Team of 92’ while also playing considerable better competition. The Dream team played in a era where there were 9 other NBA players in the Olympics outside of the USA team, and in 2024 there were over 40, including players like 3x MVP Nikola Jokic, 1x Finals and regular MVP Giannis Antetekoumpo, Victor Wembenyana, Rudy Gobert, Dennis Schroeder (idk why he’s so good in international play but not in the NBA), Shai Gilgious-Alexander, Jamal Murray, and so many more. It’s really not a question, but this man explained it all perfectly Great vid man can’t wait for more
@cozm1q14 - that stat is misleading, getting to the nba wasn’t as straightforward as it is now. Politics, and finances were way different, the top players got paid very well in Europe, sometimes more than in the nba The ‘92 Croatia team ultimately had 6 or 7 players sign to the nba. They were part of the ‘87 jr world champion and ‘90 fiba World Cup champion Yugoslavia, but got their independence in ‘91. I believe Serbia wasn’t even allowed to participate that year No team today was as stacked as that ‘92 Croatia team with Petrovic, Kukoc, Radja, Komazec, Vrankovic…
I think it's wrong to emphasize mainly on foreign NBA player numbers, but on how good their local talents were and them as a team. Sure, there are many foreign talents now that are NBA-worthy but why don't we look at their local scene since they can't produce an NBA caliber of a player if they're competing in a bad league.
Every single claim that you made and the claim that you referenced the maker of this video make is so misleading that it might as well be called a lie. Non American players didn't go to the NBA for reasons that are anything but they lacked the skill to be in there. As for the stats at 16 minute mark the author of this video ignored all the points that the dream team scored in transition, all those points were earned by the 1992 dream team's defense. Every European knows the teams that the US faced in 1992 (Croatia, Lithuania, Brasil) were just as good or at a very similar level to the best countries of today. If the 1992 dream team played against 2024 US team under the 1992 FIBA rules the dream team would smoke them easily, if they played under current FIBA rules and officiating I would still put my money on the dream team.
I love the nuance and layered perspective you put into your videos. There’s no simple answer to say which team is better, the Dream Team or the Avengers… it’s much more complicated than a direct answer. Keep up the excellent work!
Not only Points Per Possession but also Points Per Shot. You will find a even more drastic difference. As demonstrated in the video, Post up limits your possession for points which is the difference between wins and losses. Thats Why Jokic Role of "Creating" the Point Center is a Big Evolution for the Center position because when he Post up, he has the IQ and Vision to pass and thus keep the ball moving, options open and does not stifle the offense and create a black hole like the old school Centers and Power Forwards post ops. Thats why he is a better player than Embiid. An old school big Post up and a Midrange Shot is only effective in a close game with 2 to 3 minutes to go and you just need a bucket.
Basketball discourse is much more complicated. The eras battle is super popular today and most our just nostalgia battles who don’t actually talk about the differences and don’t understand how basketball has advanced. The gap between 2020s and 1990s is not as big as the gap between the 1960s and 1990s but there’s still a gap teams today would likely dominate teams from the 90s
The most underrated reason for the lack of athletic progress in recent years is the birth rate collapse, which results in a much much smaller younger generation of athletes. It’s just basic math that a smaller generation will yield less results. The boomers and millennials were the two largest generations in world history. Phelps, Bolt, etc are millennials. Every generation since theirs has been smaller and the trend will continue
@@sp123 yup. And the developing countries who haven’t yet experienced a birth rate collapse simply do not have the resources to give their athletes the proper training, nutrition, etc. The rich countries who do have those resources (US, Canada, western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand) are all experiencing record low birth rates and are simply not replacing the generations of the past with enough young people.
Thanyou for giving me the opportunity to be one of your subscriber, Sir. May you continue enlightening us with your open minded videos, Love all your videos.
I think the fact that there's an uncontrolled cardiovascular disease continuously reinfecting athletes, including during the Games themselves, might have something to do with it as well.
Your voice is soothing, and so is the background music. You’ve got a good thing going, especially intellectually. This content is very high level *chef’s kiss*
3 additional considerations for sprinting are population size, culture and risk/reward. There is 1 Jamaican to every 110 Americans. America has the culture and economy that encourages the most athletic people to go into basketball, baseball and the NFL. I would argue that America had/has 10 Bolts walking around in the last century, there just wasn't a culture or reward incentive for them to dedicate their life to a "poorer" sport like track. Great video as usual.
This is totally disrespectful to the GOAT of sprinting. While I totally agree our best athletes play football and basketball here in the U.S. and not track and therefore it is conceivable to believe people like Tyreek Hill with enough training could possibly at least make an Olympics and probably finish by not even making the Final. Still however there has never been one time I've ever thought that any NFL player was as fast as Bolt was on his worse day! Bolt was not an average sprinter, he is the best sprinter ever, no matter who you put him against. To say the U.S. "had 10 Bolts walking around in the last century" is laughable. If so who are they? That's like saying Brazil has 10 Michael Jordan's walking around in the last century but they are just playing soccer instead. They may have many players who maybe could have made the NBA had they not played soccer, but it's ridiculous to say they then might have been the GOAT of the NBA had they made it. That's way underestimating how great you have to be to be the GOAT of something. I can't think of one player ever in the NFL who I seriously believe could hit or eclipse Bolt's 9.58 second hundred meters, I mean even other Olympic Gold Medalists can't do that. Give Bolt more respect lol.
@kenyonweber4230 a more nuanced take would be that the US has had 10 people with Usain Bolt's potential walking around in the last century. I can say with near certainty that no one on the face of the earth has run the 100m faster than Bolt; however, that's not to say that Bolt's 9.58 couldn't have been beaten had people with a higher potential been directed towards specialising in track and field instead of American football and basketball.
@@kenyonweber4230 DK Metcalf ran a 10.36 100m at 235lb without specialist training. I would also add that American football doesn't select just for speed, but for strength, coordination, and skill that also make it not a perfect proxy for 100m sprint performance. This means that many athletes who have elite sprinting genetics are funnelled into the American football system where the opportunity cost is being able to specialise in sprinting. For every RB or WR in the NFL there's probably another 100 athletes out there who may have been competitive sprinters but instead specialised in their respective football positions and optimised their body compositions respectively. From these numbers, I don't think it's super disrespectful to suggest America may have failed to develop Bolt-level sprinters.
@@kenyonweber4230 your points are valid and they do not take away from my original points and the facts of the video. Robert Hayes 100m 10.06 on a cinder track, his technique needed improvement it wasn't smooth. He won Olympic gold in 1964 then went on to play for the Dallas Cowboys. I can give you a list of more genetic "freaks". The major point is a statistical possibility and economic incentive reality. The average pro footballer is oftentimes richer than the average top 3 sprinters. There is no viable reason for the most talented American athletes to stick to track n field. Btw I respect Bolt and his coach. The fact remains that he's the fastest on record in the 21st century however I can't ignore that the NFL and baseball have men sitting on the bench that have talent but never trained as hard or as well as Bolt.
I'm commenting to help my brother at least get trending on RUclips. I'm in awe at how much we as humans improved in training and using technology to be more efficient. Finding that balance is always the key. Much appreciated video Michael. Hope you gain more subscribers.
I love watching brands develop. Like watching you pull out some (awesome) Legos to talk about clutch bball... and then featuring them in so many successive videos.
I do think as time goes on, we reach a height in our body and technology to help train but also more time has gone on for pple to obtain a record. Talent doesn't come easy
The editing, sound effects, transitions, collective footage.... this was professional quality. I had to double check the channel because I had assumed this was re-uploaded from some well known media company. Really well done. I really hope you gain the subscribers you deserve. With this quality content, it's only a matter of time.
Not posting a bad climb is like only posting your good runs on strava. I appreciate your willingness to put yourself out there and show us that we are all human.
The thing is swimming records, far more recent womens records than mens. Reason is women can still swim with fast female swimsuits while men must now swim topless and wear only speedos
1:05 - many believe the 1992 dream team could beat today‘s team. Well, that’s not the team of best humans, but just that of the best Americans. And as of now, the four best players in the NBA happen to not play for the United States. Not really a perfect comparison.
the only reason I don't believe it is because today's team would have the advantage of knowing all the tricks of the '92 team + everything that's been developed since then. for example the 3pt shot was nowhere as prevalent back then and they would genuinely struggle with Curry's marksmanship
Why this guy only have 115k subs lol. I figured he had millions and was so shocked when I saw his sub count. More videos like this and he will have a million in no time
@@davideckert6278 now I know y’all are smoking the good sh!t if you think 90’s centers like the dream Shaq, D Robinson, Ewing, and Alonzo wouldn’t body any C today save for Giannis. Embid can’t even stay healthy, a lifetime loser. I’m not even sure what you’re saying bc they shoot 3’s? If so you’re really lost bc why have a 7’ 240-300lb dude even on the court if that’s the case just run small but if we’re talking about C’s playing like C’s then it’s not even close.
An alternate explanation is that cardiovascular performance is down because of that thing they made people take. The thing that has unknown long term consequences, an is already known to damage the hearts of many young people.
I would like to say that the womens 100m world record is widely considered to be illegitimate as the wind was well above the +2.0 m/s limit (giving a massive advantage) however the anemometer was broken so displayed 0.0 m/s and so the record has foolishly remained, the more legitimate world record was actually set fairly recently.
BTW. World aquatics (at the time they were called FINA), the governing body for swimming, banned the fastest swimsuits ever created in 2009. Every world record since has been swam with a significantly slower suit
Thank you - I am less familiar with the swimming realm...was primarily referencing running, but good to know.
@@michaelmackelvie Stop making videos on things you know nothing about.
@@bigben8502 stop being an ass
@@bigben8502 you are a weight society needs to carry
@@michaelmackelvie can you comment on the mistiming of the FGJ up run the wind machine didn't work. Look at the wind times for the long jump, there's data from the wind machine for that and then compare the average times of all the athletes. There is a paper on this I believe and it's showing pretty definitively that record had between a 5-7mps tailwind so should never be counted.
And long after the 4 minute mile we still had an Ethiopian break a marathon world record barefoot again not a fair comparison.
I generally love your content but felt your arguments in this were much poorer and worse researched than your other videos. Like for example after Steph's performance in the gold medal game all I could think about was your video on momentum
It’s surreal to see an independent creator rival 30 for 30 quality. Can’t wait to see this channel blow up
fr, each vid keeps getting better
30 for 30 quality? The meat riding is crazy
@@Dana__black imagine thinking complements are meatriding, leaving brainrot everywhere dont make you funny "oh Im so cool and not like the other kids" imagine having writing dana black and going "yea this gon get all the ladies🤓" what a nerd😂😂😂
So good, better every time. Keep on improving! We will be here to see it.
@@allisonholt3533 aww are you gonna cry buddy? An opinion triggers you this much is embarrassing, mr white knight 😂🤣
This dude should easily have a million subs
voice way too stupid
He will. Give it time.
Young channel. He definitely will.
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Female sprinting records are so tainted by all the insane doping going on in the 80s.
I’ve met 2 people that knew Flo Jo well. Both swear that she didn’t do steroids.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 how would they know for sure, not something you'd be sharing openly unless you were stupid.
They'll be broken again soon as we relax our attitudes to gender and bodies
Doping is a lot more prevalent, scientific and complicated now.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 source = trust me
I love the Owens vs Bolt thing and generally think older athletes(especially the freaks) as too often discredited. However, this is a very dishonest argument by NOT talking about laser time vs hand time. Hand times are... Not even close to accurate. Especially when you have high school kids running a 4.4 40(hand time), then going to a Nike camp and getting a much more accurate 4.6(laser time). Should be a very important part of the Bolt vs Owens discussion
iIMO, since it's neither advantage or disadvantage it's better to keep it out.
It's more about procedure. 4.4 hand time may be from call to pass. Or it may be react to pass. NFL standard procedure is reacted to pass. It's still a hand time with an electronic finish. So a person will watch for movement. And when they see it, start the timer. Then the laser at the end stops the timer.
So the procedure matters far more than the type of timing.
Example. We did 40 yard dash at work (strength and conditioning coach) amount the coaches. My time was 5.0. Our slower power lifter was 4.9. How did that happen?
Because we used a laser start, and it was placed on my front ankle. So when my front foot cleared, time started. I was a football player HS and used 2 point stance, so my first step in front foot up back foot drive.
But the other coach was a rugby player so his style was front foot drive back foot lift.
Because the timer was on our front foot, he got a full stride in before the time started.
@@youmed1567 Hand timing almost always favors the runner. Especially when we are talking about human reaction times
@@youmed1567 They KNOW it is an absolute advantage with hand timed times. In the 60:s they had olympics on other competitions where they used both so they could compare them. Hand timed times was about 0.15-0.20 seconds faster than what the real times was. Not surprising since this is the reaction time (plus eventual speed of sound travelling if they didn't' look at the smoke of the gun. Or if there was no smoke from the gun).
@@youmed1567 Hand time is an advantage.. We're talking about World records here they likely aren't going to be achieved when the measurement error is against you but probably even has to be on your side.
if this were earlier in youtube when the algorithm didn't heavily favor daily or weekly uploads and consistent schedules, this channel would be popping off. It's fantastic work, deserves more recognition.
It's mostly biased or invented arguments to generate clickbait. There are thousands channels like this one, even less biased.
I thoroughly enjoyed these Olympics for the most part, and I for one do not need records to be broken time and time again to appreciate the greatness of today's athletes. 😊
Just enjoy the current moment, the current crop of special sporters. 😉👏
The Olympics were amazing this year
@@michaelmackelvie
How were they amazing? Be honest.
@@emilinebelle7811 Did you not watch the breaking?
@@Alexander_Grant not through the original channels, no. But I witnessed the embarrassment, yes.
@@emilinebelle7811 That was amazing just for the entertainment value.
The throws, pole vault, and the 400 hurdles are just about the only track and field records being touched these days. It’s not a coincidence that these are some of the most technical disciplines in the sport. Of course the mixed relays are being regularly broken but that’s only because they’re so new
Ehh, world records are being beaten all the time nowadays, what are you yalking about? Jakob Ingebrigtsen just took down the 3000m world record. The marathon has been beaten multiple times, last time being last year
Duplantis the GOAT of pole vaulting.
Duplantis is the Sergey Bubka of pole vaulting.
frr
Eh, it's the same thing really with Bubka and Duplantis as with Owens and Bolt.
Just like Duplantis, Bubka just increased the WR by 1 cm every time, to get maximum pay-outs for it.
Just like Duplantis, we don't really know the actual limit of Bubka, because he never really reached it.
What we do know is that todays poles are much better than the ones Bubka had, because technology advanced.
It would be a very close battle between the two in equal circumstances.
His record breaking 6.25 m jumb in 2024 Olympics is one of the iconic moment
@@DrQuatsch Agreed. Also, we have better understanding of training methods and nutrition, and Duplantis will have better video technology to analyse his motions than Bubka had. In my mind Bubka single-handedly brought pole vaulting to a whole new level, and for a long time nobody was able to even approach that level. Duplantis is now doing something very similar, but in a different era. They are both the greatest of their own era. Period. Someone who takes the term GOAT literally lacks a proper perception of history.
The Avengers cutouts having cowboy hats is too absurdly hilarious
"We need more nukes!"
During the last century the athletic size/selection globally has also increased significantly as has the opportunity for better training around the world.
Yep, basically everything is getting optimized bit by bit. Just like semiconductor technology improves over time, so does our understanding of how to train athletes. Video technology now allows us to optimize every aspect of movement. Big data allows us to optimize every aspect of strategy. Of course at some point we will run into the physical limitations of the human body, but we can also switch from measuring time in hundreds of a second to thousands of a second ;-).
Don’t forget more steroids too
@@kevinwilson3337less. Modern detection has decimated what can be deployed and how close to competition. These days you basically have to be completely completely clean on competition day. Realize that up until early 2000s we couldn’t even detect blood doping done on day of competition. Now biological passports are documented, anabolic agents that couldn’t be detected in blood can now be detected in urine months after deployment. Of course doping still exists, but in 2000 you could literally pee out a pharmacy and pass tests, now picograms are detected.
The best basketball countries around the world are about as good today as they were in 1992.
@@student99bgthat is not true at all
Please don't stop making these videos. As a lifelong science and sport RUclips watcher, this is my new favorite channel by FAR.
Why would he stop?
You deserve so many more subscribers and views. C'mon RUclips algorithm. This man is video production gold
Remember to hit the like button. It's literally what fuels the algorithm
He's grown to 110k incredibly quickly already
@michaelmackelvie The channel needs better thumbnails IMO. The current ones aren't terrible or anything, but they do not grab attention very well.
@@jay1373 no one cares about you lil nighua
He forgot to consider that runners in the 1930s were wearing metal spikes and running on a cinder track. Those differences in conditions would significantly increase the times of modern runners.
The rules and their enforcement were vastly different from Cousy's time. Not a single NBA player from the 80s to today (with maybe the exception of the big fundamental Tim Duncan) could play in Cousy's time without a significant adaptation period to their game. It would be travelling, palming, and offensive charges on nearly every single play. I'm not an old head by birth, but those OG NBA greats deserve their respect.
This is delusional. We live in an era where bigs can shoot the 3, and you think nobody can go back to an era where the 3 didn't exist or barely existed and not catch and shoot uncontested?
Nobody is guarding from the 3 in the 60s because it didn't exist, so anyone from today is wide open to do whatever they want.
This is just a single aspect of the game of today that smokes the 60s era. It's not even a competition.
yeah, that's exactly why we can't possibly say anyone from that era is the goat, it was a very different sport back then
@@nicktubby9710 The NBA is different because there is so much difference in rule interpretation. Even a 10 year period can have a massive difference in rule interpretation. Iverson would have been called for palming, Harden would have been called for traveling, Lebron for charging. Most sports don't change there rules or "interpretation" of the rules as often.
This is simply not true and I'm so sick of people acting like players from today couldn't take like a week to adapt to the rules and look lightyears better.
Bob Cousy was drafted THREE YEARS after the NBA was founded. You don't think in almost 75 years since then, that scouting, training, nutrition, exercise and overall performance haven't gotten significantly better? Do you think people solved basketball back when it was barely even a professional sport?
@@nicktubby9710 That's not what he said. He said if you put today's players in Cousy' NBA they wouldn't be able to survive because they would constantly travel, carry and commit offensive fouls. Today's game looks different because today's players are playing a different sport. The rules under which Bob Cousy was playing were vastly different from today's rules so much so that they are different sports and the comparison is in most cases meaningless. And no, he didn't compare them, he said what would happen if you put today's players in the 1950s and 1960s and he is correct.
All this talk about old athletes not being able to qualify for today's olympics and still the record for the high jump is 30+ years old, makes it even more impressive that with all the progress that sports has made nobody could touch it. nothing beats elite genetics
All athletes are doped up but 80s and early 90s were most of the records were set were the steroid era of Olympics
As humans, we tend to be overconfident. There were certainly warriors a few thousand years ago who were in as good of shape as elite modern athletes. The gladiators were the professional athletes of their day. There's nothing new under the sun, and it's important to stay humble. Never think too highly of yourself, because then you'll have less reason to improve.
You mean nothing beats loose steroid regulations. If the rnhanced games gets taken seriously, it will be broken soon.
@@M98747 This is incorrect. These warriors were very athletic and would compare well vs. the general population but today's athletes are trained using knowledge and equipment that just didn't exist back then. Bodybuilders in the early 1900s had relatively flat chests for instance because they didn't do any bench presses and instead did floor presses, which lack the deep stretch in the bottom of the rep that triggers hypertrophy. And their equipment and training methods were already more advanced than how athletes and soldiers would have trained in ancient Greece.
If you want to see how ancient warriors looked like, you should see how the strongest individuals among tribal people in a subsistence agriculture society look like.
They're athletic and lean but not big.
Sotomayor's record HAS been touched. Not beaten, but attempted and nearly beaten plenty of times. Now Powell's long jump record, on the other hand...
A large factor is also, that the last 4 years where hard for competition sports across the board. The pandemic surely set many aspiring talents back for a bit.
Another banger from the legendary man in tweed.
A little hotter in the summer but it covers up the stains on my white tees lol
I think doping is a big reason that records nowadays are so hard to break. Don't get me wrong, of course there is a human limit and the gains to be made in nutrition and conditional will become more marginal as time goes on. The truth is, however, that most (if not all) records in athletics are set using some form of doping.
Doping detection is getting better and better, meaning athletes get away with increasingly less extreme drugs and in smaller doses. To break the record, you have to be faster than an athlete in the past who is on more drugs than you... Even when not competing, athletes get regularly checked, meaning it is a lot harder to go on a cycle outside competition or in the off-season.
yo videos so fire bro
Thank you!
The graph at 2:09 is terribly deceiving the last period from 2020 to 2024 on the horizontal axis looks as long as the 20 year gaps before that... Misrepresenting data to prove a point is not good journalism.
This is just the result of modern "education". One could also argue that he also butchered the y axis.
Wow you're right...that's awful. I ain't watching the rest of this vid
Spot on, however he's not a journalist. That profession implies certain standards are respected at least in theory. He's a content maker, free as a bird.
@@jc8322and that's how we lose ideas in today's world
@divinewillie2973 I'm a data analyst...I don't want to support people who misrepresent data. Also, if he's willing to be misleading in a simple chart, how can I trust the informationin this video?
man I feel like I should be paying to watch this video - the production quality is on point. Thank you!
hope you hit 1 million - I am sure you will if you just keep doing this
Another amazing video. There's very few channels on RUclips that I consider events where I have to make some popcorn and sit down and watch the video instead of just having it on while I'm working and your channel is one of them. I typically reserve those for creators like EmpLemon, Jon Bois, or Lemmino, but your videos are up there too. It is insane how much quality adding a little bit of the human element does to videos, and why so few choose to use it, but your skill with including that rivals EmpLemon and Jon Bois in my opinion.
Thank you! Means a lot
The Dream Team heads won’t be convinced even if you show them your sound reasoning in this video 😂
I think any sane basketball fan knows today's players are just plain better than those in 1992. That being said, if those players were born in the same era as today with the same level of training/conditioning/analytics available it will be a different story. Keep in mind one thing not discussed in this video was the rule changes that favors the game today too. Stuff like hand checking/handling rules made the game evolve way more. Hell back if Kyrie/AI played under the rules in the 60s, every cross over they do will be considered a travel. It's practically a different game between the 60s-90s-today.
@@NYCharlie718exactly. so crazy to me that such a massive population of sports fans can’t figure out that players should be compared to their own competition. I don’t see scientists claiming Einstein was overrated because he was working with plumbers and firemen lol.
@@NYCharlie718 Yep, I think trying to compare across generations with different play styles and knowledge of the game is what makes the discussion interesting. Clearly basketball players are better today (and importantly, there are *more* elite basketball players today), so it's fun trying to figure out how the Dream Team players would adapt to the modern game with their raw abilities and natural IQ.
Of course, most discussions devolve into name-calling and accusations of "softness", which I don't find particularly interesting lol
Yeah lmao 92 Dream Team was like a race car winning the Tour de France
It is a breath of fresh air of somebody in a comment section who actually gets it and yeah you're absolutely correct
This was one of the best videos I've seen in a while. The margins at the highest level are so small, that's what makes greatness so great
Where is the upper limit on Michael's content quality? As many times as I thought it couldnt be raised he keeps proving me wrong. Great work!
your channel has some of the most creative, compelling, and unique visualizations I've ever seen on youtube- keep it up
Thank you Adrian!
The algorithm is failing, how doesn't he have more subs
People have bad attention spans.
its bcoz hes white. youtube pushes dei youtubers
This kind of high quality videos fixes my attention span that's been ruined by tiktok
To be fair to women’s sprinters: the 100, 200, 400, and 800m records were set before out of competition testing was introduced. Given the prevalence of state-sponsored doping in eastern block countries in the 80s, along with the suspicions (and wind readings) about Flo-Jo, it’s not hard to imagine that some if not all of these records should have asterisks. Very much looking forward to new athletes coming through and breaking these astronomical barriers
Americans are and have always been bigger users of doping than Russians and their allies. Americans are the ones that didn't start doping testing when everyone else had to do doping tests. Western propaganda twisting reality on its head as per usual.
The Flo-Jo wind record is extremely silly.
Also... every other sprinter in Bolt's era was eventually found to be doping. My conspiracy theory is that he was much too important to the sport to be caught.
No REAL motivation. " Oh well so long as I win this event..." Just enough to get by mentality.
To me this just makes all the more impressive anytime an athlete breaks the wr or even gets close
this is an amazing video, if I don't see this with 15 mil views in a year from now i'd be unpleasantly surprised; very high quality video keep up the good work much love
12:00 barkley may have shot 26% for his career from 3 but shot 7 out of 8 from 3 in the dream team run. the line being closer definitely made a difference. depends by what rules they played as well. also what kind of defense could they play, hand checking and physicality
Small sample - I could say the same thing about this years team shooting 40-50% from 3…
Yeah, go ahead. Getting Barkley to take 3s would be falling straight for the ‘24 Team’s strategy
Not having to guard anything beyond the arc would make it extremely easy for the 24 team to defend them. And watching those clips of the 92 team they all just sagged off their man no handchecking involved
You are allowed to hand check in Olympic basketball even today. Y'all make it sound like hand checking is some magic bullet that today's players just couldn't handle lmao
@@shepardice3775 it helped serbia stay close to team usa.
High quality content, had me subscribing when you said "we've been runners for a while and it's been a while since we were swimmers"
This video is so high quality. Love the video, Imma leave a comment to boost it in the algorithm.
Man i never sub when people tell me to in the video.. but man, i didn't even hesitate to smash your sub button. you're really one of one. you make videos a 10 million subscriber channel will make and no one would think the quality doesn't match the quantity of the channel. Earned my respect man.
Steroids/TRT is the extraordinary thing that happened.
Love that RUclips is filled with bangers like these
This dude is so good his new releases are "wake up babe new MacKelvie just dropped" territory now
Amazing video hope your channel blows up
If you dont know, Flo-Jos record is wind aided yet none of the athletics committees want to call it out.
Yes.
But wind aid still wouldn't help that much. Not by the 0.2 0.3s she is leading the WR by. It helps but isn't that significant
@@raymondqiu8202the time behind her is only 5 hundredths slower. People saying the wind was over 4m/s which would absolutely make this difference
@@michaelmackelvie also she was almost certainly on steroids. just about all track athletes were from 1984-2004. They are much more strict about drug testing now.
The older Olympics were far less diverse, especially the early ones. They did not have the best athletes from all over the world. Not enough people were involved. We will see more surges of new body types and records broken when more countries develop and get more involved in the Olympics. and sports in general. Globalization is changing everything.
Beautiful analysis as always man. Im interested to see the debates in the comments later.
NBA players are certainly smarter and better today than before, but that is NOT a knock on the previous players AT ALL. Idk why ppl have to praise one generation of players by bashing another generation, instead of appreciating them both.
They're ALL great, and I'm enjoying the moment 💪🏾
Yes, it is not a knock at all! However, there is a reason the entire world plays this way now…it’s not just an NBA thing to cast from 23 ft
Basketball is just about height, folks from the old days aren’t worth talking about
@@Schattenfaust2 Steph Curry's only 6'2" which would immediately disprove that idea.
I appreciate your nuanced take on basketball. Too many people are either “done with 90’s” or too high on nostalgia to recognize how far the sport has progressed over the years. As with most things, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There will always be a reason to hate on greatness, but many many more reasons to celebrate it. Awesome vid btw ;)
The “done with the 90s” only exists cause of the old heads hate on todays game
man you're SO good at making videos. another banger.
I think we will see another surge of insane athletes 8-12 years from now due to the existence of RUclips. These next gen kids have grown up with high quality and plentiful guides for everything that are free and easy to access. I played on an academy team (handpicked players by professional soccer clubs for youth development) and have stayed in touch with the program after quitting and leaving for college. These younger kids are insane. All the tricks that me and my teammates spent our late teens learning, they already have mastered at age 11. If they want to learn a very specific trick or a hard shot like a knuckleball, they just find it online and practice. I think when the next generation of RUclips kids reach the 23-26 year window, they are going to usher in a new era of play.
Seriously, you’re the best content creator on this platform right now.
Thank you.
this video is so well made it really put me in a zone until that insane free throw at 10:30 snapped me out. i had to rewatch that like 10 times. 10/10
lets not act like the international teams didnt get better and bigger after 92. 13:25 you can see the stark difference in opposition size, given the reasons listed plus that, of course the 92 team would want to post up more.
Huge fan of 90s NBA. Jordan especially.
Jokic would cook David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and Tim Duncan in the same game. They would think he's a sorcerer with those one leg fadeaway Larry bird three's.
@@wyldeman7😂😂😂😂 definitely not
14:19 you forget for example that Handchecking was allowed, which isn't now... And many more rules, that benefits today's players
I seriously love your videos, they're always super well edited, with interesting sources!
Also, might be a bit out of your usual field, but it'd be fun to watch a video about Why we always seek to rank players, even across eras. Maybe something a bit more anthropological / philosophical, perhapscomparing it to other sports, across continents etc.
Only 100k subs with that production quality is absurd. Great channel and great video!
In all honesty, all these 1980s and before record that still stand should honestly be considered illegal by default. Those old Warsaw Pact athletes, most notably GDR, USSR and Czechoslovakia, were filled to the brim with doping. They weren't made out of flesh and blood, but out of testosterones and steroids. Pretty sure I saw a documentary back years ago where some of these women just started transitioning from female into male due to the number of PEDs, sueing former coaches in the process.
It says a ton that in the 35+ years since then we have all these developments in the medical field, technology, training, food, lifestyle and what not and we still don't come close to some of these records. And if people actually beat one of those records, it's suspicious on its own, because how are they faster/stronger than people from an era where careers were ended with modern era minor injuries.
It's weirdly the same with climbing records in cycling. A ton of 1990s records still stand, due to its infamous EPO era (similar to MLB's steroids era)
That being said: I do think there is a limit on what a human body can. The same reason I think the dunk contest should be abolished in the NBA. These are the upper echelon of uper echelon of elite athletes, at some point they have alreadt done what even they can physically do.
I agree. Steroids and banned swimming suits can certainly account for a lot of those records that have stood since the 80s and early 90s.
Doping developers should sponsor and organize "the world doping games"
Would be amazing to see.
@@0ompaLoompa There was already a plan of some American billionaire to host something like this where doping is freely and openly allowed, not sure how far that is developed.
In which I can almost guarantee there will at least one death at the spot. Anti PED measurements aren't just to upheld fair play, they are also there to protect athletes from themselves.
Something like EPO is a cancer med, healthy people (which these people usually are) shouldn't even consider taking this.
@@0ompaLoompa what, Sochi 2014? Never again. It was embarrassing....
@@KasumiRINA if you think it was only there....then keep thinking that.
One of the best videos and channels I've ever come across. I routinely see click baiters and trash upload channels with 700k + subscribers. The quality of your vids are not even comparable with them. This channel is bound to explode
8:39 because of black genetics lol
Alternative theory: doping was more difficult to detect during the 80's. That's why some records that was won then is hard to beat for a clean athlete today.
the FloJo records shouldnt be in that discussion i feel like. She was pretty clearly doping and died really early
Great video and great presentation. I just subscribed. Can’t wait to watch some more vids.
Thank you Chris!
In terms of the athletics, the womens sprint records are dominated by state doping (and possibly a faulty wind reading in the 100m) and the mens havent been broken due to one genetic outlier (Bolt). Additionally less records are broken in athletics in the olympics as the pacerless format leads to more tactical races where they start slow and finish fast.
The swimming records are standing mainly due to now illegal swim suits developed by nasa in 08/09. The pool in paris was also quite shallow (just 2m) so there were many more waves than usual for the swimmers slowing them down.
Amazing graphics and explanation! Thank you for all the work you put into these videos
Glad you enjoyed thanks
I feel like part of the reason we dont see world records broken at the Olympics is because these athletes have to go through so many qualification rounds, if the go all out every time they will break themselves before they even get a chance at gold, like imagine running 2 1.5km then 2 5km and then doing a Marathon in the span of like 3-5days these people are insane
There are many track meets throughout the year that don't have qualifying round, but the patterns he describes here hold true in them, too.
Really surprised you didn't talked about Peds
same. Designer drugs too. SO common.
Mind how the 2024 Avengers have better stats and metrics shown around the 16 minute mark than the Dream Team of 92’ while also playing considerable better competition. The Dream team played in a era where there were 9 other NBA players in the Olympics outside of the USA team, and in 2024 there were over 40, including players like 3x MVP Nikola Jokic, 1x Finals and regular MVP Giannis Antetekoumpo, Victor Wembenyana, Rudy Gobert, Dennis Schroeder (idk why he’s so good in international play but not in the NBA), Shai Gilgious-Alexander, Jamal Murray, and so many more. It’s really not a question, but this man explained it all perfectly
Great vid man can’t wait for more
@cozm1q14 - that stat is misleading, getting to the nba wasn’t as straightforward as it is now. Politics, and finances were way different, the top players got paid very well in Europe, sometimes more than in the nba
The ‘92 Croatia team ultimately had 6 or 7 players sign to the nba. They were part of the ‘87 jr world champion and ‘90 fiba World Cup champion Yugoslavia, but got their independence in ‘91. I believe Serbia wasn’t even allowed to participate that year
No team today was as stacked as that ‘92 Croatia team with Petrovic, Kukoc, Radja, Komazec, Vrankovic…
I think it's wrong to emphasize mainly on foreign NBA player numbers, but on how good their local talents were and them as a team. Sure, there are many foreign talents now that are NBA-worthy but why don't we look at their local scene since they can't produce an NBA caliber of a player if they're competing in a bad league.
Every single claim that you made and the claim that you referenced the maker of this video make is so misleading that it might as well be called a lie. Non American players didn't go to the NBA for reasons that are anything but they lacked the skill to be in there. As for the stats at 16 minute mark the author of this video ignored all the points that the dream team scored in transition, all those points were earned by the 1992 dream team's defense.
Every European knows the teams that the US faced in 1992 (Croatia, Lithuania, Brasil) were just as good or at a very similar level to the best countries of today.
If the 1992 dream team played against 2024 US team under the 1992 FIBA rules the dream team would smoke them easily, if they played under current FIBA rules and officiating I would still put my money on the dream team.
@@student99bg I mean go ahead and put a wager on it but be prepared to be shaking in your boots till the buzzer
You’re on crack if you think the 92 team wouldn’t smash the 2024 team lol MJ is the goat for a reason
I love the nuance and layered perspective you put into your videos. There’s no simple answer to say which team is better, the Dream Team or the Avengers… it’s much more complicated than a direct answer. Keep up the excellent work!
Yet another Michael MacKelvie banger
Amazing use and explanation of statistics with superb visuals. Love how smooth and informative your vids are my man. Keep up the good hard work!
6:47 I see you there. xD
id love to see you cover this type of conversation for combat sports; these arguments are even bigger of a debate in the combat sports world
Not only Points Per Possession but also Points Per Shot. You will find a even more drastic difference. As demonstrated in the video, Post up limits your possession for points which is the difference between wins and losses. Thats Why Jokic Role of "Creating" the Point Center is a Big Evolution for the Center position because when he Post up, he has the IQ and Vision to pass and thus keep the ball moving, options open and does not stifle the offense and create a black hole like the old school Centers and Power Forwards post ops. Thats why he is a better player than Embiid. An old school big Post up and a Midrange Shot is only effective in a close game with 2 to 3 minutes to go and you just need a bucket.
Basketball discourse is much more complicated. The eras battle is super popular today and most our just nostalgia battles who don’t actually talk about the differences and don’t understand how basketball has advanced. The gap between 2020s and 1990s is not as big as the gap between the 1960s and 1990s but there’s still a gap teams today would likely dominate teams from the 90s
The most underrated reason for the lack of athletic progress in recent years is the birth rate collapse, which results in a much much smaller younger generation of athletes. It’s just basic math that a smaller generation will yield less results. The boomers and millennials were the two largest generations in world history. Phelps, Bolt, etc are millennials. Every generation since theirs has been smaller and the trend will continue
birth rate collapse and cost of training are the likely causes.
@@sp123 yup. And the developing countries who haven’t yet experienced a birth rate collapse simply do not have the resources to give their athletes the proper training, nutrition, etc. The rich countries who do have those resources (US, Canada, western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand) are all experiencing record low birth rates and are simply not replacing the generations of the past with enough young people.
very US/Euro/China centric take.
Thanyou for giving me the opportunity to be one of your subscriber, Sir. May you continue enlightening us with your open minded videos, Love all your videos.
I think the fact that there's an uncontrolled cardiovascular disease continuously reinfecting athletes, including during the Games themselves, might have something to do with it as well.
Your voice is soothing, and so is the background music. You’ve got a good thing going, especially intellectually. This content is very high level *chef’s kiss*
3 additional considerations for sprinting are population size, culture and risk/reward. There is 1 Jamaican to every 110 Americans. America has the culture and economy that encourages the most athletic people to go into basketball, baseball and the NFL. I would argue that America had/has 10 Bolts walking around in the last century, there just wasn't a culture or reward incentive for them to dedicate their life to a "poorer" sport like track. Great video as usual.
100%, American football takes their pick from top track and field athletes.
This is totally disrespectful to the GOAT of sprinting. While I totally agree our best athletes play football and basketball here in the U.S. and not track and therefore it is conceivable to believe people like Tyreek Hill with enough training could possibly at least make an Olympics and probably finish by not even making the Final. Still however there has never been one time I've ever thought that any NFL player was as fast as Bolt was on his worse day! Bolt was not an average sprinter, he is the best sprinter ever, no matter who you put him against. To say the U.S. "had 10 Bolts walking around in the last century" is laughable. If so who are they? That's like saying Brazil has 10 Michael Jordan's walking around in the last century but they are just playing soccer instead. They may have many players who maybe could have made the NBA had they not played soccer, but it's ridiculous to say they then might have been the GOAT of the NBA had they made it. That's way underestimating how great you have to be to be the GOAT of something. I can't think of one player ever in the NFL who I seriously believe could hit or eclipse Bolt's 9.58 second hundred meters, I mean even other Olympic Gold Medalists can't do that. Give Bolt more respect lol.
@kenyonweber4230 a more nuanced take would be that the US has had 10 people with Usain Bolt's potential walking around in the last century.
I can say with near certainty that no one on the face of the earth has run the 100m faster than Bolt; however, that's not to say that Bolt's 9.58 couldn't have been beaten had people with a higher potential been directed towards specialising in track and field instead of American football and basketball.
@@kenyonweber4230 DK Metcalf ran a 10.36 100m at 235lb without specialist training.
I would also add that American football doesn't select just for speed, but for strength, coordination, and skill that also make it not a perfect proxy for 100m sprint performance. This means that many athletes who have elite sprinting genetics are funnelled into the American football system where the opportunity cost is being able to specialise in sprinting. For every RB or WR in the NFL there's probably another 100 athletes out there who may have been competitive sprinters but instead specialised in their respective football positions and optimised their body compositions respectively.
From these numbers, I don't think it's super disrespectful to suggest America may have failed to develop Bolt-level sprinters.
@@kenyonweber4230 your points are valid and they do not take away from my original points and the facts of the video. Robert Hayes 100m 10.06 on a cinder track, his technique needed improvement it wasn't smooth. He won Olympic gold in 1964 then went on to play for the Dallas Cowboys. I can give you a list of more genetic "freaks". The major point is a statistical possibility and economic incentive reality. The average pro footballer is oftentimes richer than the average top 3 sprinters. There is no viable reason for the most talented American athletes to stick to track n field. Btw I respect Bolt and his coach. The fact remains that he's the fastest on record in the 21st century however I can't ignore that the NFL and baseball have men sitting on the bench that have talent but never trained as hard or as well as Bolt.
I'm commenting to help my brother at least get trending on RUclips.
I'm in awe at how much we as humans improved in training and using technology to be more efficient. Finding that balance is always the key. Much appreciated video Michael. Hope you gain more subscribers.
I love watching brands develop. Like watching you pull out some (awesome) Legos to talk about clutch bball... and then featuring them in so many successive videos.
13:37 probably the icing on the cake of debates
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Old heads will not be happy hearing this,
Hottest hand on RUclips rn
I say this a lot, but the production... everything about these videos is damn near perfect! It's like movie quality. Keep up the great work!
Better antidoping control.
They should allow it, just like the IFBB does.
I do think as time goes on, we reach a height in our body and technology to help train but also more time has gone on for pple to obtain a record. Talent doesn't come easy
We started drug testing ALOT more. End of story.
Wrong
Your dismissive attitude is why you're ignorant.
Now watch the video.
@@coreyhamilton53 but I have to share my baseless opinion first
And then designer drugs
The editing, sound effects, transitions, collective footage.... this was professional quality. I had to double check the channel because I had assumed this was re-uploaded from some well known media company. Really well done. I really hope you gain the subscribers you deserve. With this quality content, it's only a matter of time.
Thank you!
keep cooking Mike
You provided better commentary than 99.99% of the sports commentators. Subscription earned. Good luck!
2024 vsauce
Not posting a bad climb is like only posting your good runs on strava. I appreciate your willingness to put yourself out there and show us that we are all human.
Humans have athletically deteroriated, actually. Juicing is just widespread now, creating the illusion that we've improved.
What’s cool about swimming is the records now are done with slower swimsuits. The past swimsuits (banned) created greater bouyancy and less drag.
The thing is swimming records, far more recent womens records than mens. Reason is women can still swim with fast female swimsuits while men must now swim topless and wear only speedos
1:05 - many believe the 1992 dream team could beat today‘s team. Well, that’s not the team of best humans, but just that of the best Americans. And as of now, the four best players in the NBA happen to not play for the United States. Not really a perfect comparison.
the only reason I don't believe it is because today's team would have the advantage of knowing all the tricks of the '92 team + everything that's been developed since then. for example the 3pt shot was nowhere as prevalent back then and they would genuinely struggle with Curry's marksmanship
The next huge channel. This is amazing work.
Stop making NBA videos and make more general videos and you'll go big soon
Why this guy only have 115k subs lol. I figured he had millions and was so shocked when I saw his sub count. More videos like this and he will have a million in no time
The Dream Team would not only beat this team they’d beat any Olympic team.
😂
They’d get destroyed, go watch the moves of the average center in the 90s compared to Embiid jokic AD bam and others… incomparable
No they wouldn't.
@@davideckert6278 now I know y’all are smoking the good sh!t if you think 90’s centers like the dream Shaq, D Robinson, Ewing, and Alonzo wouldn’t body any C today save for Giannis. Embid can’t even stay healthy, a lifetime loser. I’m not even sure what you’re saying bc they shoot 3’s? If so you’re really lost bc why have a 7’ 240-300lb dude even on the court if that’s the case just run small but if we’re talking about C’s playing like C’s then it’s not even close.
@@davideckert6278 btw someone should tell todays stars to stop hiring yesteryears stars , The Dream, to coach them on their “incomparable” moves.
The production value of this is insane much props to the creator(s)
An alternate explanation is that cardiovascular performance is down because of that thing they made people take. The thing that has unknown long term consequences, an is already known to damage the hearts of many young people.
This channel is blowing up, it's crazy how good this!
One of the all-time greatest RUclips videos. And it was released just four days ago.
I would like to say that the womens 100m world record is widely considered to be illegitimate as the wind was well above the +2.0 m/s limit (giving a massive advantage) however the anemometer was broken so displayed 0.0 m/s and so the record has foolishly remained, the more legitimate world record was actually set fairly recently.