Not only how storytelling makes sense in Blade runner 2049 but also the pictures and sounds. Everything is in its right place which makes it the most memorable viewing experience I ever had in a cinema.
It is one gorgeous damn film. Sadly, it suffered the same fate as the original in terms of box office. Hopefully, it will similarly become a classic over time.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I love Blade Runner 2049, it was true and faithful to the first movie, it won two Academy Awards for Best Cinematography and Visual Effects and Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Film
I won't repeat the same thing as everyone else that your videos are very interesting and amazing. But I love the extra effort you out on creating visual comedy and adding VFX on your jokes, it makes your videos extra special, and not only a guy talking to a camera
Good thing, because in light of the rumours flying about new Twin Peaks, my planned-for last episode is going to be delayed until something definite comes out. The ending I had planned for it may no longer work as-is.
As a rule I never use this expression, but - I can't even. The script, your delivery, the framing, incredible tight editing, relevant footage, witty construction, observance of pace and even how to draw the audiences attention from one thought to the next....I. Can't. Even. I would never be as good but I wish I could make my own uploads, I don't know how to start. But see, not only can you edit but you're quite factually one the earliest video editors/splicers around on youtube from BEFORE youtube, decades before....And on top of all that editing talent, you're an excellent analyst and critic. CPF contributes new ideas to a greater discussion of great film, verses every other lazy youtube "analysist" with a "10 Reasons YOU Should Watch Blade Runner TODAY! (Like and Subscribe sponsored by Nord VPN)" bullshit that just rehashes the same exact things anyone w a brain already knows. I'm blown away. I can't even. still 10 minutes to finish. I literally can't deal with how good you are. I wish I had friends like you IRL so wouldn't have to ramble on YT comments....
Your videos are great and that you for all the work you put into them. I discovered you thru my love of twin peaks and your videos on that are far far better than other channels I've discovered ,they seem to only scratch the surface or are altogether just wowed by the whole thing like whoa isn't this weird guys I'm not even going to try to understand it! Anyways thanks for your point of view on movies in really enjoys your takes.
Nice use of footage at the end, especially the Blade runner clip. This channel is my favorite new discovery for entertaining film analysis and I think if he could narrate with a calm, soothing Irish accent he would have more than a 100,000 subscribers. I would also like to express the unpopular opinion that Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was much more interesting than Blade Runner.
I could not agree more with your analysis. Bladerunner 2049 left me with a sense of satisfaction as few other sequels have, while the two Disney Star Wars entries were a big "Meh". I'll give Rian Johnson some credit for trying to "subvert expectations", but he badly fumbled the ball, IMHO. I have no hopes for the third one. I'll probably see it out of curiosity, but I certainly won't stand in a long for it. I wonder why Denise Villeneuve was not tapped for a Star Wars sequel? Maybe he was and refused? He seems to have an excellent grasp on telling familiar stories without resorting to cliche (Enemy, Sicario, Arrival, etc.)
I know Ridley Scott said straight-out that he wouldn't do it, and would never be asked, because the studio couldn't impose their will on him, and that's clearly what they want.
2049 was great and so much better than any of the Disney Star Wars movies. It’s such a shame that 2049 flopped and Star Wars made gangbusters. Lesson to be learned: money is not always a reliable indicator of how good or bad a movie is
I think music has proved that fact repeatedly. Great bands languish in obscurity while the like of Justin Bieber, Katy Perry and Ariana Grande pull in millions. If talent had anything to do with anything, Julie Christmas would be a household name, but that's never happening.
I started out a huge fan of both Star Wars and Blade Runner but while I was more excited about seeing where Star Wars was going, I have since become disinterested in the franchise. Dissimilar to that, I was dreading a sequel to Blade Runner but was so impressed with the sequel I can see the story continue if they keep to the artistic style and continue with unique storytelling.
I have to admit, I'm kind of fascinated, from a clinical standpoint, to see what kind of desperate damage control is going to manifest as the plot for Episode 9. I don't envy that task one bit.
I hope they wait 20-30 years and then release a sequel to Blade Runner: 2049, capping out the story and making a sci fi trilogy out of it. It’d be a great reflective piece on how our own culture has changed over time, as the trilogy could end up spanning 60 years, making each film distinct for its era and director.
If you'd have told me in early 2017 the by the end of the year that I'd hate the Star Wars sequels and love the Blade Runner sequel, I'd have told you that you were crazy. And yet, here we are.
Thinking about the new Star Wars and looking at your shirt reminded me of the lyrics to the BR song Only Entertainment... “But see it's only entertainment Superficial urgency Poster board mentality Only entertainment Tightly constrained The buzz that remains Is the story of how we run our lives” Right? 🤔
First time visitor to your channel, I like your style. This is an interesting comparison for me as I have been a big fan of Star Wars since I saw the first one as a very young kid. I am also a big fan of Bladerunner, I was excited that Villeneuve was doing it. I saw Bladerunner 2049 in a very good imax cinema and it blew me away. I was smitten by it, the music, cinematography, design all of it. The strange thing is it somehow made me lose all interest in new Star Wars movies, they now somehow seemed a bit silly. I didn't bother to go see TLJ, when I eventually watched it at home it bewildered me with the choices in plot and made me a bit sad. I'm not seeing the new film at all. Villeneuve has yet to make a bad movie, so I was thrilled when I heard he was doing a new Dune adaptation. I love the book so this really is something to look forward to. Star Wars for grown ups according to Villeneuve.
Great stuff!!!!! I really have enjoyed all your videos. Insightful and really good editing. I've been hesitant to check out star wars rebels tv series and I read a lot of the books. Random question I know, just rolled the dice wondering if you have seen it and worth it?
My interest in Star Wars has always been confined to the actual films...I've never read any of the spinoff books or watched any of the cartoons and whatnot.
Thank you for this video. You reminded me that I really need to see Blade Runner 2049. I'm still kicking myself I didn't see it in the theater during its initial release.
Indeed this is the correct analysis of Blade Runner 2049... it is remarkable in how it's story enhances the first story , giving it more more substance than it really had.. This is as fine a science fiction film as I have ever seen.............. alas it did not make it's cost back at the box office... I sort of expected it not to be a block buster... but I sure thought it would do better than it did.... it is a bit of a puzzle even in these comic-book-driven-movie times.... One does wonder about Villeneuve's Dune (of which we only get the 1st half) , it may be the best version possible.... but flubs at the box office... ?
This was pretty good. I honestly have lost all interest in Star Wars at this point. I think that this trilogy could have worked if it hadn't started with "episode VII", but an original story with no connection to the old cast.
I now find myself interested in it in the same way a murder trial would be interesting, the kind where the guy has been found by fifteen witnesses holding a running chainsaw and surrounded by the flayed corpses of his entire office block...how exactly do they plan to win back everyone's support? What kind of defense could they possibly mount? Do they really think we're going to, at this point, excuse all we've already seen?
It's amazing that in two years we got possibly the three most unlikely great sequels fans of the originals could have ever hoped for. Mad Max: Fury Road, Twin Peaks: The Return, and Blade Runner 2049. All with the original filmmakers involved. This was a great comparison video. Agreed on all points. Cheers
I really hope Miller gets to do the next two Mad Max films he's proposed...Fury Road might well be the greatest action film ever made. Either it, or Aliens; it's a tough call.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I hear Miller and Warner Bros resolved their financial issues so all we can do now is pray to the film gods. I must've watched Fury Road 50 times at this point. I never get bored with it. I always see something new. It is a masterpiece. The possibility of new ones makes dynamite go off in my brain.
I'd rather watch the original trilogy and have a better viewing experience than the new Star Wars. Now I'm not sure if that's because I have nostalgia goggles but I truly enjoy them more. And yes.. Even if that means I need to see jarjar
Great video and it’s not about twin peaks! I am not a fan of Star Wars, but I liked 2049, very clever movie, and your video supports it. Villeneuve did great and I am looking forward to Dune in 2020, let’s see if he can redo Lynch’s biggest flop... somehow ended up with Lynch again. Oh well.. Thank you for a great video, again!
I have mixed feelings about that one, given that I've never read the book and I only know the story via Lynch's version, which I personally loved, critics or no. I'll give it a chance, though.
I never read the book and watched Dune like a year ago for the first time, reading so much shit about it made me very skeptical beforehand, but I did not hate it, some scenes were cool actually... it wasn’t as bad as I prepared myself for given the criticism. Made me actually want to read the book. Hopefully, Villeneuve cast Lynch and gives him some villain role, would it be cool??? Haha. Your editing is a great addition to your clever videos, way above hordes of stale “talking heads” youtubers. What a pity you haven’t seen 2049 on the silver screen, its such a eye candy with stunning music. Tell us more about assholes in the theaters? What the hell happened there?
Any time I've been to a theater in the last five years, the audience is 1. Full of babies and/or toddlers whose parents won't take them out when they start screaming, 2. Millennials who think they will drop dead if they don't check their fucking phones every ten seconds, 3. People who just talk at full volume as if they think they're in their own living rooms, or 4. All of the above at once. I just gave up after too many first-time viewings of films were ruined, and decided to just wait until home release. You're telling me people are different where you are?
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Yup. This. All the time. I still brave the cinema on a weekly basis though, it's like a savage game of Russian roulette every time, and my sanity slips away more and more... People can be the worst.
Earlier this year, our power went out and we decided to try and kill time until it came back on. We tried a local second-run theater at 9pm on a Sunday night, and found the movie theater we stepped into to have only one other person. Seemed perfect...until her baby started crying about two seconds later. We just got our money back and left. I don't really have any desire to ever go into a theater again. If a theater with only one person in it can still fuck you, what are the odds with a normal crowd?
Excellent video as always man! Don't agree with some things of course but top notch writing and execution. While I love The Force Awakens, and was more wowed/excited by it than Blade Runner 2049 tenfold, it's no contest as to which sequel is superior. 2049 is an incredible piece of work, and I can't believe they pulled it off. Consistent with the original, but skews off into its own thing quite comfortably. I almost cheered when Deckard said "I know what's real..." the perfect line of ambiguity to keep that lingered question safely intact. Definitely a modern "classic." The only point I'll indulge myself in disputing is the "no explanation given for the harsh change of character." I think people (Mark Hamill included) look back a little too fondly on the original trilogy. In Jedi, Vader threatens to turn Leia to the dark side, and with just that seed planted into Luke's head, he loses his cool, succumbs to rage, and cuts Vader down, seconds away from from murdering his own father. He relents of course, but the precedent for Luke's dark side has been there since 1983. In TLJ, he now sees a possible future in which Ben is responsible for the deaths of everyone he loves, an entirely larger, more horrifying, and ultimately, pretty accurate eventuality. That coupled with the Skywalker family's history of struggling with the sinister fingers of the Dark Side, lead him to that fleeting contemplation. Not only does this give us something different to do with Luke as a character (if he was the powerful Jedi Master in the new trilogy, there's no need for the new characters, and it's a generational story, he needed to be put through the wringer to make things interesting) it completely marries with Luke's already established character. Luke's only real crime is an extremely dark thought, one he would never have acted on, and his subsequent self imposed isolation, fueled entirely by his immense guilt over... that extremely dark thought. I find the sequel trilogy's handling of these original characters to be a kind of more "realistic" take over the much more fairytale tone of the original trilogy. If Han and Leia were real people, it makes total sense that they would never have managed to maintain a relationship and Han would predictably stay stuck in the same rut. As it would that Luke, burdened with tremendous responsibility, would, as he had a weakness for doing in his youth, crumbles under the pressure of it somewhat. But this more realist portrayal (kind of.. I'm not saying the new SW films are inherently "realistic") doesn't sit right with a lot of people, and that's a shame, but it's also understandable. I still think the character choices are consistent to the OT, and those characters are not disserviced, but the tone in which they're portrayed, isn't quite as consistent.
The difference is that the Luke that cut loose on Vader and might have considered killing him was a young man who was never fully trained in the ways of the Jedi, as opposed to a man who, decades later, hasn't managed to gain an ounce of impulse control despite now being a Jedi master. But the real problem is in the execution. Luke could have a horrible struggle and hit bottom, and this could be a great story...just look at Logan (though that feels more natural, given that Logan was always a prickly loner, and just got more so). But this isn't the story...it's something that happened between stories, and we know next to nothing about it. What did he see that was so bad (and why did he just assume it was inevitable, since he'd already learned that "always in motion is the future?") Was it Han's death? Why, then did he take no action to prevent this? Hell, they cut out the scene where he mourns Han, which leaves it looking as though he doesn't really care. He knows his sister is in jeopardy, but doesn't care. Nothing about that is consistent with the Luke we knew, for whom family and friends were everything. And then there's the whole issue of what happened to Ben Solo in the first place. All we hear is that "Snoke had already turned his heart." How? When? Had these characters been in contact? Had they ever met, perhaps in battle, or in a seemingly more benign scenario such as with Palpatine and Anakin, where he presented himself as a friend? Did Luke know what had been going on at all before that moment? Knowing anything at all would've helped an audience accept this, but we get one minute of flashback to explain why Luke is a broken man who just wants to die (despite leaving a map to where he was hiding, another clue that Abrams had something else in mind for Luke's reason for exile) and doesn't care if his friends and family die, too. Some stories work well with a more realistic approach to character, but Star Wars is grounded in archetypes, and Lucas himself called it a fairy tale. In a realistic story, a man like Vader could never been seen as sympathetic, but it works because of the style of melodrama the series employed. Johnson's past work was mostly noir-flavored material with very gray characters, and I really like all of it, but the flavor doesn't suit Star Wars at all. I don't want to take a bite of what I think is ice cream and get pepperoni pizza instead. William Goldman said it best: "Give the audience what they want, but not in the way they expect it." There's a right and wrong way to do anything, including subverting expectations.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I dunno man, I'm still waiting to see how much backstory might be presented in IX, and apart from that, I like the "show don't tell" aspect of the story. Ben is fucked up, and Snoke, a sinister presence, has fostered that. I don't particularly need to see that spelled out. Likewise with the prequels, as much as I enjoy them, I prefer Vader's tragic backstory as a kind of unknown mystery, and his story still has resonance without seeing those three films. Apparently the Snoke/Ben relationship is currently being explored in a comic book run but honestly, I don't really love that kind of crossover stuff, and would at least prefer to see it in the movies if it's important. I was actually going to mention the "always in motion" part of Jedi having visions. There's a precedent for that too, when Luke sees Han and Leia in trouble. Yoda says it's not certain but possible right? But just the hint and more importantly I think, the feeling Luke gets from that vision, is all he needs to act regardless. As for his continued insistence on not going to help when he knows everyone is in danger, he handily cuts himself off from the Force to I guess make it easier on himself, but he also believes he's doing the right thing. In his mind, as he literally says out loud in the film, Ben turning was entirely his fault. He created Kylo Ren. He's lost his confidence and believes he is actually an active harm to the galaxy because of it. That's my read anyway. And this is all to heighten the payoff of him actually turning up at the end. A bitter Luke, full of disdain for his own legend, was quite brilliantly explored, it's frustrating because he WON'T do anything, but slowly he is convinced otherwise, and embraces his legend. Logan is a good point, but when you say there's a lack of explanation for where Luke is in TLJ, there's kind of a fair bit of that going on in Logan too. Which works great I think. It's implied Xavier lost control and essentially all the X-Men died, but we never get it explicitly laid out, or shown, and yet the aftermath of it, is conveyed through the weary performances of Stewart and Jackman. And I think Hamill's performance likewise carries a lot of the unseen weight of Luke and Ben's story. I do think the fairytale element of the original trilogy definitely hasn't translated over, but I don't think you can ever replicate that. I dunno, maybe you can, but those films are just so of their time and I don't think anything post ROTJ has ever truly felt truly in line with the OT.
The problem is they didn't show...they told, and only for about a minute or two, which really isn't adequate to justify severely altering one of the most iconic heroes in the history of cinema. If they wanted to tackle that story, they'd need to have it unfold in front of us. It would be like having Anakin still a nice guy at the end of Episode 3, then in Episode 4, he's Darth Vader, and all the bad shit happened in between. As far as Snoke goes, I need point no further than the fact that they're apparently resurrecting Palpatine in the next film, in what I'd bet damn near anything is a case of damage control, a desperate need for a meaningful main villain after Snoke was killed off for the sake of a surprise twist in the last one.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Well sure... if Luke was anything like Vader in TLJ, which he isn't in the slightest. I just appreciate the less is more approach, and their performances sells so much of it too. We don't hear a word from Ben in those flashbacks but his eyes tell sooo much that doesn't need to be spoken. It's a dead end though, we view it very differently, and that's fine. Though your second point... I've read that Palpatine was always in place for IX, and I get the "they didn't plan it out" thing, because they've weirdly been saying as such publicly. But that would just be literally insane, and digging through the Art of books for the sequel trilogy, pieces of the truth start to appear somewhat. It seems George has been more involved than is being let on, and they have been using more of his 7, 8 and 9 treatments than has been rumoured. It also makes sense why they held back on the obvious slot for some nice fan service in Rogue One by bringing McDiarmid back for a scene, because they had this in the plans. That being said, I loved the Snoke death because it gave us something new for IX. Rey Vs. Kylo. No "big bad", just our lead hero, and our lead villain. So as much as I love the ST, I'm very intrigued and a little concerned with how they bring Palpatine into the fold. But if it turns out (as may very well be the case) that he has been Phantom Menacing things throughout, and ultimately takes his place as the primary villain of the entire 9 part story, I could get behind it more. There needs to be a connection to Kylo (some have suggested Palpatine has spoken to Kylo through Vader's mask, luring him in to a false image of his grandfather post-ROTJ) and I think that a link to Snoke wouldn't go amiss either. I don't need Snoke backstory, I see him as a bit of an Emperor wannabe, quite powerful with the dark side of the Force, skilled at rising to power through manipulation and intimidation (his holograms in TFA and TLJ kinda scream evil Wizard of Oz to me, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...) and he managed to get his mitts on the prodigal Skywalker. His death only shows that he's a bit more front than the actual goods, unable to truly sense Kylo's intentions. But yeah, the idea that Rian went "nah, I'm gonna kill Snoke, it'll be shocking! hehe" and Kennedy/JJ were then like "shit, what do we do now then?" doesn't hold any water in my opinion. I would personally love, after IX comes out, to see a complete tell all book, or even documentary, on every step of the process. It'll never happen but whether you like the new films or you hate them, the actual mindset and unfiltered process of producing this trilogy would be fascinating. Even more so if the "winging it" aspect was true, which I highly doubt really. As a big fan of the ST I'm a bit nervous for IX, because using the Emperor could work, but I can think of many ways in which it won't, too.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Oh, and, yeah, the "show don't tell" thing wasn't explained very well on my part. I more mean in the overall story of the sequels, we are shown the effects of what has happened between VI and VII, more than we are told them. Luke's physical and mental state alone shows and tells you a lot about how dire the situation is, without spelling out too much out loud. But you are right, they do a bit of telling too, so my point there isn't too solid.
excuse me this is a damn good video! keep it up. totally agree on everything you said, I was very surprised how blade runner came out. imho it is better than the original
the similarities between episode 4 and episode 7 were entirely deliberate. at one point, after disney purchased lucasfilm, a complete reboot was considered. the creators were worried that younger people weren’t familiar enough with classic star wars such that a sequel to the original trilogy would resonate. so the compromise of a soft re-boot was settled upon, in which the beats of the original movie were retraced while continuing forward in the story.
I know. I don't think it was a good decision, however. It would be entirely possible to make a film which was in the same style and tone as the original without straight-up pillaging the same plot points. Heck, look at Abrams' own Super 8. That's totally in the spirit of early 80s Spielberg without copying any specific film.
It’s unfair that such a great film, crafted with integrity would fare so poorly at the boxoffice. Whereas, a cookie-cutter, boardroom crafted film breaks boxoffice records. Oh well...I guess that’s the difference between a Mozart and a Salieri.
Great piece of analysis again. Loved BR2049 instantly on first watch, kinda like TFA as well, although I agree with all your criticisms towards it :) I would love for you to get your input on the works of Kubrick and Tarkovsky in a future video.
I haven't seen Midsommar yet, but I loved Hereditary, a film which really, to put it simply, fucked me up on first viewing. The amount of care that went into that film and the performances was extraordinary. He's probably going to be someone to watch in future.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Same here, both films are thematically similar but the execution of said themes is very different. PS: I edited out the Ari Aster request in my post for those confused; didn't want to change the subject too much in retrospect. ;)
Good video and I agree with your thoughts. Are you properly # hash tagging your videos? It's a fairly easy process (watch RUclips vids for it), and this video should have more views. Keep up your work, I enjoy it.
There's a section for tags in the "details" page for the videos, though I've basically quit bothering with it after RUclips itself admitted they don't really help.
This is pointing out the very most fundamental flaws of the new Star Wars movies. Even the die hard fans of the new SW movies should have their eyes opened by this comparison and see the flaws of the movies they defend. The new trilogy is nothing but short of the very definition of wasted potential since it did not regard anything old or the first movie actually did (Fyn being the only possibly investing character and being not expanded on at all). Whereas Blade Runner 2049 took everything that there was before and used it properly.
i don't think lucasfilm and disney are intending to write poor sequels, but i do think they're farting the movies out on tremendously rushed short timeframe schedules and are more interested in merely getting a product out than anything else.
Supposedly they learned their lesson after Solo lost money, but I think the bigger problem was planning. Peter Jackson was able to turn out three Lord of the Rings films in three years, but that was only possible because there was a plan going in. It's pretty obvious that Lucasfilm had no notion of where their story was going when they started.
Rey's question in tlj was "who are my parents and why did they abandon me.", not "I hope they are significant." I think you are projecting onto rey, the questions of the audience. Remember, tlj was written BEFORE the release of tfa, so Johnson had no idea about fan theories about rey being of significant lineage. In blade runner 2049, K comes to believe that he is significant, and when that is disproved he experiences growth, and acts selflessly to unite deckard and his daughter, keeping their identities and location secret. In tlj, rey isn't concerned with the significance of the identities of her parents, just who they are, and why they abandoned her. As kylo says, "your parents threw you away like garbage, but you can't stop needing them. It's your greatest weakness. Looking for them everywhere." He doesn't say, "wanting your parents to be significant is your greatest weakness." So when kylo elicits from her that they are nobody, and that they sold her away, it is devestating because all the answers to her identity, all the guidance and belonging she thought she would get from her parents is gone, and all that's left is kylo. Kylo says to her, "do you want to know the truth about your parents.", not "do you want to know who they are." Her moment of growth comes when she rejects kylo's offer of belonging, rejecting her selfish impulses, and goes to help save the resistance. I think it is implied that rey hopes her parents are heroic ideals, which would give her the guidance and identity that she clearly wants. But this isn't bad writing, nor does it make her character inconsistent. It perfectly reconciles with her personality and motivations in TFA. This is another layer to rey's personality that is subtlety implied, but I don't think Johnson is making rey inconsistent by suggesting that she hopes her parents are significant.
I don't think he did suggest that she hopes her parents are significant...I explicitly said that, in fact. She doesn't think they are important, but we are led to, which is why she doesn't grow from it. Compare her at the end of Last Jedi to Luke at the end of Empire. The audience however, throughout The Force Awakens, is deliberately led to believe her parents might be important; what else would any viewer make of "That lightsaber belonged to Luke Skywalker, and his father before him, and now it calls to you?" No one needs to seek out fan theories to make a very obvious inference. She, however, just wants a family, and by the midpoint of TFA she's more or less accepted that they aren't coming back. For her to accept Kylo's offer of joining him makes no sense...why would she suddenly ally herself with a mass murderer who she saw kill his own father in cold blood? Vader thinks Luke might join him because he's his father, and because he's got Luke physically backed into a corner where joining Vader is the only way he'll get out alive, or so he believes. The reiteration of this scene in the new film is just copying a famous scene form the classic trilogy without getting why it was there to begin with. Also, writing a part 2 before you've seen part 1 is a terrible, terrible idea. Maybe he wouldn't have had Finn piloting no fewer than three different craft if he'd recalled from TFA that Finn was not a pilot, and thus needed to free Poe in order to escape in a fighter.
Sorry about the length, but I think you are hitting on some really interesting things about the film that I really like thinking about, but apologies anyway. I don't think the audience is led to believe that rey's parents are important, necessarily. There is enough ambiguity to suggest that the lightsaber is calling to her simply because she is preternaturally strong in the force, and she happens to be nearby. I agree tho that it does suggest that rey is connected to Luke somehow, but to me that suggestion sets up the revelation of rey's parents so well in TLJ. Rey's parents are important to her, period. Wether or not they are significant is a moot point. I think she just wants to see them, whoever they are. In any case, rey does grow. Rejecting kylo's offer of belonging, where her life will have meaning ruling the Galaxy at his side, is a choice that illustrates growth. She rejects the personal desire for identity and belonging that has been driving her actions up to this point, and reaches for the lightsaber, a symbol of the Jedi, of selflessness and defence. She goes from "I need someone to show me my place in all this." To finding that place for herself, without kylo, Luke, or her parents. In her conversation with maz kanata in TFA, rey accepts that her parents aren't coming back to Jakku for her, but it's not like her interest in her parents, and all the abandonment issues she has, and the need for identity and belonging all disappear. These are things that drive her actions into TLJ. Throughout TLJ, through their force connections, rey and kylo learn much about each other. Rey sees that Ben is largely a victim of the manipulation of snoke, and feels deep conflict within him, plus a potential future in which he turns back to the light, all which motivate her to Go to him. In the film, kylo isn't portrayed as an incorrigibly evil villain, but a deeply conflicted victim of manipulation by snoke, and failure by Luke. It's ambiguous how much Luke grows at the end of empire. He accepts the truth about his parentage, and ends the movie the same way rey does in TLJ, smiling (although some time has passed in Luke's case). But I do think that acceptance is growth. With rey, she has spent her entire life burying the truth about her parents from herself, so her reaction at the end of TLJ may just be her way of processing the info, who knows. Ps, I meant that Johnson wrote his script after reading The TFA script, and that the interpretation by the audience of rey thinking her parents are significant, came after he had written TLJ, so it couldn't have influenced his writing. Ps, I'd recommend watching implicitly pretentious's 'how the last Jedi is awkward but undeniably beautiful' for an alternate take on the film that addresses a lot of the problems you had with it, and also 'the psychology of rey' by lords of the sith podcast, for some more details on rey's decisions in both movies.
Dude ! Just watched 2049 two days ago, I thought it was decent but it relied a lot on the atmospheric style of the original but it ignored some of the larger philosophical questions, I felt like it touched on it but I liked the way the original left you wondering about deckard being a replicant, 2049 kinda forced you to make illogical leaps and some thing were left unexplained like the group saying gosling had to kill deckard...and the whole thing with the daughter like did she implant that memory intentionally with the hope he would help her?
The group wanting K to kill Deckard WAS explained...they didn't want to risk that he would break and reveal any information to the Wallace Corporation. The memory wasn't intended as any kind of code...she was in no danger from which she needed rescuing. Only the revelation of who she was could imperil her, and she likely didn't even know who she really was; she'd been separated from Deckard at a very young age.
I honestly disliked the new Blade Runner so much that I have to assume that people are praising the movie solely because it's slow paced and for nostalgia reasons. Considering most normies never saw the first blade runner they have no nostalgia and saw no appeal.
Another creepy Peaker who got pulled in by your excellent insight and thoughts on films. Also you seem to have great taste in music, nice Bad Religion shirt.
And I kind of find that sad. Another thing these sequels had in common was returning co-writers: Kasdan on Force Awakens, Fancher on Blade Runner 2049. I really do wonder just how much management-level tinkering and memos are driving what passes for Star Wars these days.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I think you have hit the point, the management tinkering is solely in the quest for more box office and other cash, i.e. a new square dish on the Falcon so you have to buy the new version of the toy, while money is always a factor, Blade Runner seemed to be approached with a deep true love of the original world, to the point the director was hesitant for fear of not doing it justice. This is the kind of reverence needed to do a good sequel.
I understand his point but comparing anything to star wars sequels, would make it look like a masterpiece. I didn't like Blade runner 2049 at all. It was too safe plot-wise, Villeneuve didn't add anything worthwhile. The setting is the same just with CGI effects. if you look at the show Black mirror they use similar technologies from one episode to another but it feels refreshing each time. The characters were 1 dimensional but we are not supposed to expect more because they are robots and that is just lazy writing. K was just a tear-jerker to trick the audience to think he has depth. Same with Niander Wallace he was just an over-the-top weirdo, so we can think he is some kind of a philosophical misunderstood mastermind. Rick Deckard is just old and bored Harrison Ford. and the rest of the cast are just plot devices. The plot didn't make me want to know more about the world. yeah there are some angry droids, we could have guessed it from the first film. the Robot-human hybrid had nothing interesting going on, we suppose to think that she might do something cool in the future but she is just another plot device for the audience to go "WOW." Denis Villeneuve is an over-rated director and I'm really afraid for the upcoming Dune movie.
I've heard of the channel, but never watched it (though I've never heard of "BreadTube"). I've used that color scheme before, as well...I try and mix things up to experiment with new techniques...I look at these videos as dry runs for something better down the way.
I really don't get the cult following of Blade Runner 2049. I have to assume the other fans of the original must have been surprised by the fact that the movie was actually slower than the first film and were impressed with that. I think a lot of it too for me was how much worse the soundtrack was compared to the original.
I think maybe actually asking people why they liked it would be a better starting point, rather than inventing the silliest reason you can think of and applying it to others. For myself, I'm unaware of and completely uninterested in any "cult following" it or any film may have. I don't care if everyone or no one likes a particular film...it doesn't factor into my appraisal of its worth.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I get the sense that if I continue the discussion this'll be me saying why I think the "reproduction makes you human" theme doesn't make sense, and you saying it's brilliant so I don't know what to do from here. You can at the very least admit the soundtrack is worse than Vangelis' or that Jared Leto was ridiculous in this movie, right? Right?
Your senses are wrong on all counts, so again, please stop pretending to know what I think. It's an affliction of Internet discussions that's both dishonest and incredibly tiresome.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I think that it's just much more difficult to have a conversation in which two people disagree online than in real life, and it's not always particularly easy in real life. On the topic of me asking people that liked it, everyone in real life either didn't see it or hated it so I have go on the internet to find any praise. Most of what I'm getting has a strong "You have to have a high IQ to appreciate Blade Runner 2049." vibe to it which is weird considering most of the people that hated the movie were themselves fans of the original Blade Runner. Also, as a fun fact Rutger Hauer hated the film and I'm happy to take his side on this one.
It's easy enough; remain civil, and I'll do likewise. It's not been my experience that enjoying a movie has much at all to do with IQ or anything especially cerebral. People respond to stories on an emotional level. If it's intelligently put together, or addresses more abstract topics, that's all well and good, but if it doesn't engage the audience emotionally, it rarely works. Anyone saying such-and-such film is only for brainy types is just engaged in self-puffery. I like things like Blade Runner, and I also like Ash vs. Evil Dead, which isn't particularly known for intellectual aspirations.
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Bladerunner 2049 is to THE example on how to do a squeal in the modern (last 20 Years) movie landscape.
Not only how storytelling makes sense in Blade runner 2049 but also the pictures and sounds. Everything is in its right place which makes it the most memorable viewing experience I ever had in a cinema.
It is one gorgeous damn film. Sadly, it suffered the same fate as the original in terms of box office. Hopefully, it will similarly become a classic over time.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I love Blade Runner 2049, it was true and faithful to the first movie, it won two Academy Awards for Best Cinematography and Visual Effects and Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Film
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I appreciate these awesome non-Twin Peaks videos as much as the Twin Peaks ones! Favourite channel by far!
I won't repeat the same thing as everyone else that your videos are very interesting and amazing. But I love the extra effort you out on creating visual comedy and adding VFX on your jokes, it makes your videos extra special, and not only a guy talking to a camera
Came for twin peaks, stayed bc I love your shit ❤
Good thing, because in light of the rumours flying about new Twin Peaks, my planned-for last episode is going to be delayed until something definite comes out. The ending I had planned for it may no longer work as-is.
As a rule I never use this expression, but - I can't even. The script, your delivery, the framing, incredible tight editing, relevant footage, witty construction, observance of pace and even how to draw the audiences attention from one thought to the next....I. Can't. Even. I would never be as good but I wish I could make my own uploads, I don't know how to start. But see, not only can you edit but you're quite factually one the earliest video editors/splicers around on youtube from BEFORE youtube, decades before....And on top of all that editing talent, you're an excellent analyst and critic. CPF contributes new ideas to a greater discussion of great film, verses every other lazy youtube "analysist" with a "10 Reasons YOU Should Watch Blade Runner TODAY! (Like and Subscribe sponsored by Nord VPN)" bullshit that just rehashes the same exact things anyone w a brain already knows. I'm blown away. I can't even. still 10 minutes to finish. I literally can't deal with how good you are.
I wish I had friends like you IRL so wouldn't have to ramble on YT comments....
I don't know what to say...I'm just this guy, you know?
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You have one of the best channels on RUclips. 👍🏻👍🏻
CPF: The master of Sequels Facing Off!
Your videos are great and that you for all the work you put into them. I discovered you thru my love of twin peaks and your videos on that are far far better than other channels I've discovered ,they seem to only scratch the surface or are altogether just wowed by the whole thing like whoa isn't this weird guys I'm not even going to try to understand it! Anyways thanks for your point of view on movies in really enjoys your takes.
Just Wow. Thumbs Up. and thank you.
This is a brilliant comparison review! Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Blade Runner it's not even a debate
You're getting into Cyberpunk versus Sci-Fi, Mr Pone, and I LOVE it!
Nice use of footage at the end, especially the Blade runner clip. This channel is my favorite new discovery for entertaining film analysis and I think if he could narrate with a calm, soothing Irish accent he would have more than a 100,000 subscribers. I would also like to express the unpopular opinion that Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was much more interesting than Blade Runner.
I could try, but it would sound fake as all hell. I don't like the sound of my own voice, either, but I'm sort of stuck with it.
Nothing about twin peaks? unsub... kidding! great vid mate!
There will be another eventually, but this one was time-sensitive and has been written since back in the spring, so I figured I'd better get on it.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks ahh glad you got it out then
I could not agree more with your analysis. Bladerunner 2049 left me with a sense of satisfaction as few other sequels have, while the two Disney Star Wars entries were a big "Meh". I'll give Rian Johnson some credit for trying to "subvert expectations", but he badly fumbled the ball, IMHO. I have no hopes for the third one. I'll probably see it out of curiosity, but I certainly won't stand in a long for it. I wonder why Denise Villeneuve was not tapped for a Star Wars sequel? Maybe he was and refused? He seems to have an excellent grasp on telling familiar stories without resorting to cliche (Enemy, Sicario, Arrival, etc.)
I know Ridley Scott said straight-out that he wouldn't do it, and would never be asked, because the studio couldn't impose their will on him, and that's clearly what they want.
Just curious what your background is? You are far more articulate and educated on cinema studies than any other RUclipsr I can think of.
My only real "background" is of a guy who watches a lot of movies and knows what does and doesn't work for me.
Corn Pone doing a Blade Runner video? Hell yes!
2049 was great and so much better than any of the Disney Star Wars movies. It’s such a shame that 2049 flopped and Star Wars made gangbusters. Lesson to be learned: money is not always a reliable indicator of how good or bad a movie is
I think music has proved that fact repeatedly. Great bands languish in obscurity while the like of Justin Bieber, Katy Perry and Ariana Grande pull in millions. If talent had anything to do with anything, Julie Christmas would be a household name, but that's never happening.
I started out a huge fan of both Star Wars and Blade Runner but while I was more excited about seeing where Star Wars was going, I have since become disinterested in the franchise. Dissimilar to that, I was dreading a sequel to Blade Runner but was so impressed with the sequel I can see the story continue if they keep to the artistic style and continue with unique storytelling.
I have to admit, I'm kind of fascinated, from a clinical standpoint, to see what kind of desperate damage control is going to manifest as the plot for Episode 9. I don't envy that task one bit.
I hope they wait 20-30 years and then release a sequel to Blade Runner: 2049, capping out the story and making a sci fi trilogy out of it. It’d be a great reflective piece on how our own culture has changed over time, as the trilogy could end up spanning 60 years, making each film distinct for its era and director.
If you'd have told me in early 2017 the by the end of the year that I'd hate the Star Wars sequels and love the Blade Runner sequel, I'd have told you that you were crazy. And yet, here we are.
Thinking about the new Star Wars and looking at your shirt reminded me of the lyrics to the BR song Only Entertainment...
“But see it's only entertainment
Superficial urgency
Poster board mentality
Only entertainment
Tightly constrained
The buzz that remains
Is the story of how we run our lives”
Right? 🤔
Given that I work in editing TV news, I think of that song quite often. That and "Pessimistic Lines:" "Of course, the nightly news will deceive you."
First time visitor to your channel, I like your style. This is an interesting comparison for me as I have been a big fan of Star Wars since I saw the first one as a very young kid. I am also a big fan of Bladerunner, I was excited that Villeneuve was doing it. I saw Bladerunner 2049 in a very good imax cinema and it blew me away. I was smitten by it, the music, cinematography, design all of it. The strange thing is it somehow made me lose all interest in new Star Wars movies, they now somehow seemed a bit silly. I didn't bother to go see TLJ, when I eventually watched it at home it bewildered me with the choices in plot and made me a bit sad. I'm not seeing the new film at all. Villeneuve has yet to make a bad movie, so I was thrilled when I heard he was doing a new Dune adaptation. I love the book so this really is something to look forward to. Star Wars for grown ups according to Villeneuve.
Great stuff!!!!! I really have enjoyed all your videos. Insightful and really good editing.
I've been hesitant to check out star wars rebels tv series and I read a lot of the books.
Random question I know, just rolled the dice wondering if you have seen it and worth it?
My interest in Star Wars has always been confined to the actual films...I've never read any of the spinoff books or watched any of the cartoons and whatnot.
Great vid & comparisons
Thank you for this video. You reminded me that I really need to see Blade Runner 2049. I'm still kicking myself I didn't see it in the theater during its initial release.
I didn't either, though only because I no longer see any films in theaters due to omnipresent assholes in every audience.
Indeed this is the correct analysis of Blade Runner 2049... it is remarkable in how it's story enhances the first story , giving it more more substance than it really had.. This is as fine a science fiction film as I have ever seen.............. alas it did not make it's cost back at the box office... I sort of expected it not to be a block buster... but I sure thought it would do better than it did.... it is a bit of a puzzle even in these comic-book-driven-movie times.... One does wonder about Villeneuve's Dune (of which we only get the 1st half) , it may be the best version possible.... but flubs at the box office... ?
I hope it does well, as talented filmmakers get stifled when they can't make a profit, but Lynch's Dune will always be the "real" Dune to me.
This was pretty good. I honestly have lost all interest in Star Wars at this point. I think that this trilogy could have worked if it hadn't started with "episode VII", but an original story with no connection to the old cast.
I now find myself interested in it in the same way a murder trial would be interesting, the kind where the guy has been found by fifteen witnesses holding a running chainsaw and surrounded by the flayed corpses of his entire office block...how exactly do they plan to win back everyone's support? What kind of defense could they possibly mount? Do they really think we're going to, at this point, excuse all we've already seen?
It's amazing that in two years we got possibly the three most unlikely great sequels fans of the originals could have ever hoped for. Mad Max: Fury Road, Twin Peaks: The Return, and Blade Runner 2049. All with the original filmmakers involved. This was a great comparison video. Agreed on all points. Cheers
I really hope Miller gets to do the next two Mad Max films he's proposed...Fury Road might well be the greatest action film ever made. Either it, or Aliens; it's a tough call.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I hear Miller and Warner Bros resolved their financial issues so all we can do now is pray to the film gods. I must've watched Fury Road 50 times at this point. I never get bored with it. I always see something new. It is a masterpiece. The possibility of new ones makes dynamite go off in my brain.
Corn Pone Flicks Also, cheers for the use of Holst’s music. Love The Planets. Feels like a great contemporary movie soundtrack.
THANK YOU! Luke was the exception.
I'd rather watch the original trilogy and have a better viewing experience than the new Star Wars. Now I'm not sure if that's because I have nostalgia goggles but I truly enjoy them more. And yes.. Even if that means I need to see jarjar
I have no doubt that the older films were better...they told a coherent story. I don't know what story these new films are even trying to tell.
Great video and it’s not about twin peaks! I am not a fan of Star Wars, but I liked 2049, very clever movie, and your video supports it. Villeneuve did great and I am looking forward to Dune in 2020, let’s see if he can redo Lynch’s biggest flop... somehow ended up with Lynch again. Oh well..
Thank you for a great video, again!
I have mixed feelings about that one, given that I've never read the book and I only know the story via Lynch's version, which I personally loved, critics or no. I'll give it a chance, though.
I never read the book and watched Dune like a year ago for the first time, reading so much shit about it made me very skeptical beforehand, but I did not hate it, some scenes were cool actually... it wasn’t as bad as I prepared myself for given the criticism. Made me actually want to read the book. Hopefully, Villeneuve cast Lynch and gives him some villain role, would it be cool??? Haha.
Your editing is a great addition to your clever videos, way above hordes of stale “talking heads” youtubers.
What a pity you haven’t seen 2049 on the silver screen, its such a eye candy with stunning music. Tell us more about assholes in the theaters? What the hell happened there?
Any time I've been to a theater in the last five years, the audience is 1. Full of babies and/or toddlers whose parents won't take them out when they start screaming, 2. Millennials who think they will drop dead if they don't check their fucking phones every ten seconds, 3. People who just talk at full volume as if they think they're in their own living rooms, or 4. All of the above at once. I just gave up after too many first-time viewings of films were ruined, and decided to just wait until home release. You're telling me people are different where you are?
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Yup. This. All the time. I still brave the cinema on a weekly basis though, it's like a savage game of Russian roulette every time, and my sanity slips away more and more... People can be the worst.
Earlier this year, our power went out and we decided to try and kill time until it came back on. We tried a local second-run theater at 9pm on a Sunday night, and found the movie theater we stepped into to have only one other person. Seemed perfect...until her baby started crying about two seconds later. We just got our money back and left. I don't really have any desire to ever go into a theater again. If a theater with only one person in it can still fuck you, what are the odds with a normal crowd?
Excellent video as always man! Don't agree with some things of course but top notch writing and execution. While I love The Force Awakens, and was more wowed/excited by it than Blade Runner 2049 tenfold, it's no contest as to which sequel is superior. 2049 is an incredible piece of work, and I can't believe they pulled it off. Consistent with the original, but skews off into its own thing quite comfortably. I almost cheered when Deckard said "I know what's real..." the perfect line of ambiguity to keep that lingered question safely intact. Definitely a modern "classic."
The only point I'll indulge myself in disputing is the "no explanation given for the harsh change of character." I think people (Mark Hamill included) look back a little too fondly on the original trilogy. In Jedi, Vader threatens to turn Leia to the dark side, and with just that seed planted into Luke's head, he loses his cool, succumbs to rage, and cuts Vader down, seconds away from from murdering his own father. He relents of course, but the precedent for Luke's dark side has been there since 1983. In TLJ, he now sees a possible future in which Ben is responsible for the deaths of everyone he loves, an entirely larger, more horrifying, and ultimately, pretty accurate eventuality. That coupled with the Skywalker family's history of struggling with the sinister fingers of the Dark Side, lead him to that fleeting contemplation.
Not only does this give us something different to do with Luke as a character (if he was the powerful Jedi Master in the new trilogy, there's no need for the new characters, and it's a generational story, he needed to be put through the wringer to make things interesting) it completely marries with Luke's already established character. Luke's only real crime is an extremely dark thought, one he would never have acted on, and his subsequent self imposed isolation, fueled entirely by his immense guilt over... that extremely dark thought. I find the sequel trilogy's handling of these original characters to be a kind of more "realistic" take over the much more fairytale tone of the original trilogy. If Han and Leia were real people, it makes total sense that they would never have managed to maintain a relationship and Han would predictably stay stuck in the same rut. As it would that Luke, burdened with tremendous responsibility, would, as he had a weakness for doing in his youth, crumbles under the pressure of it somewhat. But this more realist portrayal (kind of.. I'm not saying the new SW films are inherently "realistic") doesn't sit right with a lot of people, and that's a shame, but it's also understandable. I still think the character choices are consistent to the OT, and those characters are not disserviced, but the tone in which they're portrayed, isn't quite as consistent.
The difference is that the Luke that cut loose on Vader and might have considered killing him was a young man who was never fully trained in the ways of the Jedi, as opposed to a man who, decades later, hasn't managed to gain an ounce of impulse control despite now being a Jedi master. But the real problem is in the execution. Luke could have a horrible struggle and hit bottom, and this could be a great story...just look at Logan (though that feels more natural, given that Logan was always a prickly loner, and just got more so). But this isn't the story...it's something that happened between stories, and we know next to nothing about it. What did he see that was so bad (and why did he just assume it was inevitable, since he'd already learned that "always in motion is the future?") Was it Han's death? Why, then did he take no action to prevent this? Hell, they cut out the scene where he mourns Han, which leaves it looking as though he doesn't really care. He knows his sister is in jeopardy, but doesn't care. Nothing about that is consistent with the Luke we knew, for whom family and friends were everything. And then there's the whole issue of what happened to Ben Solo in the first place. All we hear is that "Snoke had already turned his heart." How? When? Had these characters been in contact? Had they ever met, perhaps in battle, or in a seemingly more benign scenario such as with Palpatine and Anakin, where he presented himself as a friend? Did Luke know what had been going on at all before that moment? Knowing anything at all would've helped an audience accept this, but we get one minute of flashback to explain why Luke is a broken man who just wants to die (despite leaving a map to where he was hiding, another clue that Abrams had something else in mind for Luke's reason for exile) and doesn't care if his friends and family die, too.
Some stories work well with a more realistic approach to character, but Star Wars is grounded in archetypes, and Lucas himself called it a fairy tale. In a realistic story, a man like Vader could never been seen as sympathetic, but it works because of the style of melodrama the series employed. Johnson's past work was mostly noir-flavored material with very gray characters, and I really like all of it, but the flavor doesn't suit Star Wars at all. I don't want to take a bite of what I think is ice cream and get pepperoni pizza instead. William Goldman said it best: "Give the audience what they want, but not in the way they expect it." There's a right and wrong way to do anything, including subverting expectations.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I dunno man, I'm still waiting to see how much backstory might be presented in IX, and apart from that, I like the "show don't tell" aspect of the story. Ben is fucked up, and Snoke, a sinister presence, has fostered that. I don't particularly need to see that spelled out. Likewise with the prequels, as much as I enjoy them, I prefer Vader's tragic backstory as a kind of unknown mystery, and his story still has resonance without seeing those three films. Apparently the Snoke/Ben relationship is currently being explored in a comic book run but honestly, I don't really love that kind of crossover stuff, and would at least prefer to see it in the movies if it's important. I was actually going to mention the "always in motion" part of Jedi having visions. There's a precedent for that too, when Luke sees Han and Leia in trouble. Yoda says it's not certain but possible right? But just the hint and more importantly I think, the feeling Luke gets from that vision, is all he needs to act regardless. As for his continued insistence on not going to help when he knows everyone is in danger, he handily cuts himself off from the Force to I guess make it easier on himself, but he also believes he's doing the right thing. In his mind, as he literally says out loud in the film, Ben turning was entirely his fault. He created Kylo Ren. He's lost his confidence and believes he is actually an active harm to the galaxy because of it. That's my read anyway. And this is all to heighten the payoff of him actually turning up at the end. A bitter Luke, full of disdain for his own legend, was quite brilliantly explored, it's frustrating because he WON'T do anything, but slowly he is convinced otherwise, and embraces his legend.
Logan is a good point, but when you say there's a lack of explanation for where Luke is in TLJ, there's kind of a fair bit of that going on in Logan too. Which works great I think. It's implied Xavier lost control and essentially all the X-Men died, but we never get it explicitly laid out, or shown, and yet the aftermath of it, is conveyed through the weary performances of Stewart and Jackman. And I think Hamill's performance likewise carries a lot of the unseen weight of Luke and Ben's story.
I do think the fairytale element of the original trilogy definitely hasn't translated over, but I don't think you can ever replicate that. I dunno, maybe you can, but those films are just so of their time and I don't think anything post ROTJ has ever truly felt truly in line with the OT.
The problem is they didn't show...they told, and only for about a minute or two, which really isn't adequate to justify severely altering one of the most iconic heroes in the history of cinema. If they wanted to tackle that story, they'd need to have it unfold in front of us. It would be like having Anakin still a nice guy at the end of Episode 3, then in Episode 4, he's Darth Vader, and all the bad shit happened in between. As far as Snoke goes, I need point no further than the fact that they're apparently resurrecting Palpatine in the next film, in what I'd bet damn near anything is a case of damage control, a desperate need for a meaningful main villain after Snoke was killed off for the sake of a surprise twist in the last one.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Well sure... if Luke was anything like Vader in TLJ, which he isn't in the slightest. I just appreciate the less is more approach, and their performances sells so much of it too. We don't hear a word from Ben in those flashbacks but his eyes tell sooo much that doesn't need to be spoken. It's a dead end though, we view it very differently, and that's fine. Though your second point...
I've read that Palpatine was always in place for IX, and I get the "they didn't plan it out" thing, because they've weirdly been saying as such publicly. But that would just be literally insane, and digging through the Art of books for the sequel trilogy, pieces of the truth start to appear somewhat. It seems George has been more involved than is being let on, and they have been using more of his 7, 8 and 9 treatments than has been rumoured. It also makes sense why they held back on the obvious slot for some nice fan service in Rogue One by bringing McDiarmid back for a scene, because they had this in the plans.
That being said, I loved the Snoke death because it gave us something new for IX. Rey Vs. Kylo. No "big bad", just our lead hero, and our lead villain. So as much as I love the ST, I'm very intrigued and a little concerned with how they bring Palpatine into the fold. But if it turns out (as may very well be the case) that he has been Phantom Menacing things throughout, and ultimately takes his place as the primary villain of the entire 9 part story, I could get behind it more. There needs to be a connection to Kylo (some have suggested Palpatine has spoken to Kylo through Vader's mask, luring him in to a false image of his grandfather post-ROTJ) and I think that a link to Snoke wouldn't go amiss either. I don't need Snoke backstory, I see him as a bit of an Emperor wannabe, quite powerful with the dark side of the Force, skilled at rising to power through manipulation and intimidation (his holograms in TFA and TLJ kinda scream evil Wizard of Oz to me, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...) and he managed to get his mitts on the prodigal Skywalker. His death only shows that he's a bit more front than the actual goods, unable to truly sense Kylo's intentions.
But yeah, the idea that Rian went "nah, I'm gonna kill Snoke, it'll be shocking! hehe" and Kennedy/JJ were then like "shit, what do we do now then?" doesn't hold any water in my opinion. I would personally love, after IX comes out, to see a complete tell all book, or even documentary, on every step of the process. It'll never happen but whether you like the new films or you hate them, the actual mindset and unfiltered process of producing this trilogy would be fascinating. Even more so if the "winging it" aspect was true, which I highly doubt really. As a big fan of the ST I'm a bit nervous for IX, because using the Emperor could work, but I can think of many ways in which it won't, too.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Oh, and, yeah, the "show don't tell" thing wasn't explained very well on my part. I more mean in the overall story of the sequels, we are shown the effects of what has happened between VI and VII, more than we are told them. Luke's physical and mental state alone shows and tells you a lot about how dire the situation is, without spelling out too much out loud. But you are right, they do a bit of telling too, so my point there isn't too solid.
excuse me this is a damn good video! keep it up. totally agree on everything you said, I was very surprised how blade runner came out. imho it is better than the original
do i see a red glint in your eye? do me a favor, please look up and to the left...just kidding
the similarities between episode 4 and episode 7 were entirely deliberate. at one point, after disney purchased lucasfilm, a complete reboot was considered. the creators were worried that younger people weren’t familiar enough with classic star wars such that a sequel to the original trilogy would resonate. so the compromise of a soft re-boot was settled upon, in which the beats of the original movie were retraced while continuing forward in the story.
I know. I don't think it was a good decision, however. It would be entirely possible to make a film which was in the same style and tone as the original without straight-up pillaging the same plot points. Heck, look at Abrams' own Super 8. That's totally in the spirit of early 80s Spielberg without copying any specific film.
It’s unfair that such a great film, crafted with integrity would fare so poorly at the boxoffice. Whereas, a cookie-cutter, boardroom crafted film breaks boxoffice records. Oh well...I guess that’s the difference between a Mozart and a Salieri.
Great piece of analysis again. Loved BR2049 instantly on first watch, kinda like TFA as well, although I agree with all your criticisms towards it :) I would love for you to get your input on the works of Kubrick and Tarkovsky in a future video.
I haven't seen Midsommar yet, but I loved Hereditary, a film which really, to put it simply, fucked me up on first viewing. The amount of care that went into that film and the performances was extraordinary. He's probably going to be someone to watch in future.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Same here, both films are thematically similar but the execution of said themes is very different. PS: I edited out the Ari Aster request in my post for those confused; didn't want to change the subject too much in retrospect. ;)
Now I look like a crazy person, going off on tangents....
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Hahaha sorry about that, but I didn't want to hijack the subject of the video :)
8:16 Now that you mention it...
Good video and I agree with your thoughts. Are you properly # hash tagging your videos? It's a fairly easy process (watch RUclips vids for it), and this video should have more views. Keep up your work, I enjoy it.
There's a section for tags in the "details" page for the videos, though I've basically quit bothering with it after RUclips itself admitted they don't really help.
This is pointing out the very most fundamental flaws of the new Star Wars movies. Even the die hard fans of the new SW movies should have their eyes opened by this comparison and see the flaws of the movies they defend.
The new trilogy is nothing but short of the very definition of wasted potential since it did not regard anything old or the first movie actually did (Fyn being the only possibly investing character and being not expanded on at all).
Whereas Blade Runner 2049 took everything that there was before and used it properly.
Jupiter the Bringer of Jollity
i don't think lucasfilm and disney are intending to write poor sequels, but i do think they're farting the movies out on tremendously rushed short timeframe schedules and are more interested in merely getting a product out than anything else.
Supposedly they learned their lesson after Solo lost money, but I think the bigger problem was planning. Peter Jackson was able to turn out three Lord of the Rings films in three years, but that was only possible because there was a plan going in. It's pretty obvious that Lucasfilm had no notion of where their story was going when they started.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks all agreed. love the content :-)
Rey's question in tlj was "who are my parents and why did they abandon me.", not "I hope they are significant." I think you are projecting onto rey, the questions of the audience. Remember, tlj was written BEFORE the release of tfa, so Johnson had no idea about fan theories about rey being of significant lineage.
In blade runner 2049, K comes to believe that he is significant, and when that is disproved he experiences growth, and acts selflessly to unite deckard and his daughter, keeping their identities and location secret.
In tlj, rey isn't concerned with the significance of the identities of her parents, just who they are, and why they abandoned her. As kylo says, "your parents threw you away like garbage, but you can't stop needing them. It's your greatest weakness. Looking for them everywhere." He doesn't say, "wanting your parents to be significant is your greatest weakness." So when kylo elicits from her that they are nobody, and that they sold her away, it is devestating because all the answers to her identity, all the guidance and belonging she thought she would get from her parents is gone, and all that's left is kylo. Kylo says to her, "do you want to know the truth about your parents.", not "do you want to know who they are." Her moment of growth comes when she rejects kylo's offer of belonging, rejecting her selfish impulses, and goes to help save the resistance.
I think it is implied that rey hopes her parents are heroic ideals, which would give her the guidance and identity that she clearly wants. But this isn't bad writing, nor does it make her character inconsistent. It perfectly reconciles with her personality and motivations in TFA. This is another layer to rey's personality that is subtlety implied, but I don't think Johnson is making rey inconsistent by suggesting that she hopes her parents are significant.
I don't think he did suggest that she hopes her parents are significant...I explicitly said that, in fact. She doesn't think they are important, but we are led to, which is why she doesn't grow from it. Compare her at the end of Last Jedi to Luke at the end of Empire. The audience however, throughout The Force Awakens, is deliberately led to believe her parents might be important; what else would any viewer make of "That lightsaber belonged to Luke Skywalker, and his father before him, and now it calls to you?" No one needs to seek out fan theories to make a very obvious inference. She, however, just wants a family, and by the midpoint of TFA she's more or less accepted that they aren't coming back. For her to accept Kylo's offer of joining him makes no sense...why would she suddenly ally herself with a mass murderer who she saw kill his own father in cold blood? Vader thinks Luke might join him because he's his father, and because he's got Luke physically backed into a corner where joining Vader is the only way he'll get out alive, or so he believes. The reiteration of this scene in the new film is just copying a famous scene form the classic trilogy without getting why it was there to begin with.
Also, writing a part 2 before you've seen part 1 is a terrible, terrible idea. Maybe he wouldn't have had Finn piloting no fewer than three different craft if he'd recalled from TFA that Finn was not a pilot, and thus needed to free Poe in order to escape in a fighter.
Sorry about the length, but I think you are hitting on some really interesting things about the film that I really like thinking about, but apologies anyway.
I don't think the audience is led to believe that rey's parents are important, necessarily. There is enough ambiguity to suggest that the lightsaber is calling to her simply because she is preternaturally strong in the force, and she happens to be nearby. I agree tho that it does suggest that rey is connected to Luke somehow, but to me that suggestion sets up the revelation of rey's parents so well in TLJ. Rey's parents are important to her, period. Wether or not they are significant is a moot point. I think she just wants to see them, whoever they are.
In any case, rey does grow. Rejecting kylo's offer of belonging, where her life will have meaning ruling the Galaxy at his side, is a choice that illustrates growth. She rejects the personal desire for identity and belonging that has been driving her actions up to this point, and reaches for the lightsaber, a symbol of the Jedi, of selflessness and defence. She goes from "I need someone to show me my place in all this." To finding that place for herself, without kylo, Luke, or her parents.
In her conversation with maz kanata in TFA, rey accepts that her parents aren't coming back to Jakku for her, but it's not like her interest in her parents, and all the abandonment issues she has, and the need for identity and belonging all disappear. These are things that drive her actions into TLJ.
Throughout TLJ, through their force connections, rey and kylo learn much about each other. Rey sees that Ben is largely a victim of the manipulation of snoke, and feels deep conflict within him, plus a potential future in which he turns back to the light, all which motivate her to Go to him. In the film, kylo isn't portrayed as an incorrigibly evil villain, but a deeply conflicted victim of manipulation by snoke, and failure by Luke.
It's ambiguous how much Luke grows at the end of empire. He accepts the truth about his parentage, and ends the movie the same way rey does in TLJ, smiling (although some time has passed in Luke's case). But I do think that acceptance is growth. With rey, she has spent her entire life burying the truth about her parents from herself, so her reaction at the end of TLJ may just be her way of processing the info, who knows.
Ps, I meant that Johnson wrote his script after reading The TFA script, and that the interpretation by the audience of rey thinking her parents are significant, came after he had written TLJ, so it couldn't have influenced his writing.
Ps, I'd recommend watching implicitly pretentious's 'how the last Jedi is awkward but undeniably beautiful' for an alternate take on the film that addresses a lot of the problems you had with it, and also 'the psychology of rey' by lords of the sith podcast, for some more details on rey's decisions in both movies.
Dude ! Just watched 2049 two days ago, I thought it was decent but it relied a lot on the atmospheric style of the original but it ignored some of the larger philosophical questions, I felt like it touched on it but I liked the way the original left you wondering about deckard being a replicant, 2049 kinda forced you to make illogical leaps and some thing were left unexplained like the group saying gosling had to kill deckard...and the whole thing with the daughter like did she implant that memory intentionally with the hope he would help her?
The group wanting K to kill Deckard WAS explained...they didn't want to risk that he would break and reveal any information to the Wallace Corporation. The memory wasn't intended as any kind of code...she was in no danger from which she needed rescuing. Only the revelation of who she was could imperil her, and she likely didn't even know who she really was; she'd been separated from Deckard at a very young age.
I honestly disliked the new Blade Runner so much that I have to assume that people are praising the movie solely because it's slow paced and for nostalgia reasons. Considering most normies never saw the first blade runner they have no nostalgia and saw no appeal.
Another creepy Peaker who got pulled in by your excellent insight and thoughts on films. Also you seem to have great taste in music, nice Bad Religion shirt.
Just saw them play a few weeks back...that makes time number 12 for seeing them live. Always a blast.
Blade Runner as a whole is better imo
This is an unfair match... Like putting a suave body builder against a mentally and physically disabled child. Star Wars just doesn't stand a chance.
And I kind of find that sad. Another thing these sequels had in common was returning co-writers: Kasdan on Force Awakens, Fancher on Blade Runner 2049. I really do wonder just how much management-level tinkering and memos are driving what passes for Star Wars these days.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I think you have hit the point, the management tinkering is solely in the quest for more box office and other cash, i.e. a new square dish on the Falcon so you have to buy the new version of the toy, while money is always a factor, Blade Runner seemed to be approached with a deep true love of the original world, to the point the director was hesitant for fear of not doing it justice. This is the kind of reverence needed to do a good sequel.
I understand his point but comparing anything to star wars sequels, would make it look like a masterpiece.
I didn't like Blade runner 2049 at all. It was too safe plot-wise, Villeneuve didn't add anything worthwhile.
The setting is the same just with CGI effects. if you look at the show Black mirror they use similar technologies from one episode to another but it feels refreshing each time.
The characters were 1 dimensional but we are not supposed to expect more because they are robots and that is just lazy writing. K was just a tear-jerker to trick the audience to think he has depth. Same with Niander Wallace he was just an over-the-top weirdo, so we can think he is some kind of a philosophical misunderstood mastermind. Rick Deckard is just old and bored Harrison Ford. and the rest of the cast are just plot devices.
The plot didn't make me want to know more about the world. yeah there are some angry droids, we could have guessed it from the first film. the Robot-human hybrid had nothing interesting going on, we suppose to think that she might do something cool in the future but she is just another plot device for the audience to go "WOW."
Denis Villeneuve is an over-rated director and I'm really afraid for the upcoming Dune movie.
Red/Orange-Green lighting contrast will never get you those ContraPoints Pink-Blue lighting views.
I'm afraid I don't get the reference.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Contrapoints is a popular member of what's referred to as "BreadTube". She uses mostly pink/blue lighting in her videos.
I've heard of the channel, but never watched it (though I've never heard of "BreadTube"). I've used that color scheme before, as well...I try and mix things up to experiment with new techniques...I look at these videos as dry runs for something better down the way.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Well, I wouldn't recommend experimenting with all of Contrapoints' techniques. Doubt going on HRT is worth the extra views...
western cinema has exhausted all its possibilities
People have been saying variants of this for decades. Heck, people in Shakespeare's time were saying that every story had already been told.
lol, yeah no.
Blade Runner has more integrity. Star Wars has more lemmings
Star wars had basic stories people are just blinded by nostalgia and popularity overdose
I really don't get the cult following of Blade Runner 2049. I have to assume the other fans of the original must have been surprised by the fact that the movie was actually slower than the first film and were impressed with that.
I think a lot of it too for me was how much worse the soundtrack was compared to the original.
I think maybe actually asking people why they liked it would be a better starting point, rather than inventing the silliest reason you can think of and applying it to others. For myself, I'm unaware of and completely uninterested in any "cult following" it or any film may have. I don't care if everyone or no one likes a particular film...it doesn't factor into my appraisal of its worth.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I get the sense that if I continue the discussion this'll be me saying why I think the "reproduction makes you human" theme doesn't make sense, and you saying it's brilliant so I don't know what to do from here.
You can at the very least admit the soundtrack is worse than Vangelis' or that Jared Leto was ridiculous in this movie, right? Right?
Your senses are wrong on all counts, so again, please stop pretending to know what I think. It's an affliction of Internet discussions that's both dishonest and incredibly tiresome.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks I think that it's just much more difficult to have a conversation in which two people disagree online than in real life, and it's not always particularly easy in real life.
On the topic of me asking people that liked it, everyone in real life either didn't see it or hated it so I have go on the internet to find any praise. Most of what I'm getting has a strong "You have to have a high IQ to appreciate Blade Runner 2049." vibe to it which is weird considering most of the people that hated the movie were themselves fans of the original Blade Runner.
Also, as a fun fact Rutger Hauer hated the film and I'm happy to take his side on this one.
It's easy enough; remain civil, and I'll do likewise.
It's not been my experience that enjoying a movie has much at all to do with IQ or anything especially cerebral. People respond to stories on an emotional level. If it's intelligently put together, or addresses more abstract topics, that's all well and good, but if it doesn't engage the audience emotionally, it rarely works. Anyone saying such-and-such film is only for brainy types is just engaged in self-puffery. I like things like Blade Runner, and I also like Ash vs. Evil Dead, which isn't particularly known for intellectual aspirations.