The Boeing 787 Has a MASSIVE Problem
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- The Boeing 787 has a massive problem. Take a look at the wing of this brand new Dreamliner; it’s absolutely covered in speed tape. That’s because its paint is peeling, and needs to be patched up. Why is this such a problem? Let me explain...
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To be fair, the A350 has the same issue because they both are made of carbon fiber.
What caues it?
@@snorttroll4379 Composites take paint differently than aluminum. The industry is still working on solutions. Qatar sued Airbus for $B for the same problem.
yes, this is what I though... composite material is a bitch ^^
Airbus fixed that some time ago
@@jimmiller5600No no, Qatar used the carbon fibre problems to try scam Airbus out of billions.
Thats quite a difference.
Tape = FAA Approved
New Paint = Nah dawg
FAA works for Boeing. More delay = money saved.
@@YolandaPlayne Lol. No, that's not it. Boeing didn't bribe the government to get in the way of doing what it wanted to do. Boeing actually does answer to a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense.
The tape has gone through the approval process. The new paint has not. It can take years to approve a new item for use on aircraft. Let's not forget that before it can be approved for use on an aircraft it must be approved by the EPA and OSHA.
I wouldn't trust Boeing's judgment on anything, they were the ones that approved MCAS without informing pilots.
@@valjoker7How about dissolving OSHA and the EPA? lol😅
They need a sticky tape that doesn’t look like Gaffer. It needs an arty pattern or shiny colour scheme so it looks all hi-tech and special, instead of the bodge it is.
Makes a lot of sense! I can imagine tape with futuristic patterns being used.
Possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Tape with an artsy pattern.
They should use that day glo orange duct tape
If they used Donald duck tape it would be way less scary for the passengers
Its made out of aluminum its not duct tape
The dreamliner’s wings remind me of the Su-57 Camo livery
😂
But the difference is the SU-57 ain’t literal crap like Boeing commercial planes
And in reality both Boeings modern planes, and Russias fighter jets have the same quality and reliability! 😂
Their commercial airliners obviously, their fighter jets are too notch and I’ve even gotten to see production of them 💪
@@harrisn3693😂😂😂😂 what, all 4 of them they’ve managed to build. And they’re supposedly good, if the engines actually start. But all Russia has proven in the last 14 months is that they way way overhyped their military capabilities and technology.
@@Luke-mi1sd drunk ? Russia is fighting against 40+++ countries soo called nato . Russia destroyed overhyped Hollywood military 😂 they captured Hollywood military equipment like Bradley etc. They examined Bradley's and said they never seen carp like that😂.safe fate happened to German tanks lmao. Bradley is just destroyed by a 100$ rpg haha. Coming to Hollywood military they can't even beat 🐫 riders with sandles with no airforce whatsoever 😂 left 83.5 billions worth of equipment
It's a common problem in the paint industry. To produce a paint that works and doesn't kill people and the environment isn't easy.
Duct tape - repairing aircraft since the Vietnam war.
In this case, speed tape is meant to improve aerodynamic performance by masking rough edges like chipping paint. And it's way more expensive than duct tape.
Or super glue
they repaired planes in ww2 with duct tape as well
the plural of aircraft is AIRCRAFT. There is no such thing as "aircraft's". Been an airline mechanic for 30 years.
speed tape is used for sealing doors and panels that have broken hinges and cant stay closed, many many uses for it.@@joeljustin
None of the 1,000 787s that have been flying around for the last 12 years have ever crashed, or caused any passenger injuries. Peeling paint isn't the worst "massive problem" the world of aviation has ever had.
yea this dude just clickbaits left and right. Algorithm requires it, but some people do a closer to reality bait than this channel.
Luckily it wasn't a repeat of the Ford pinto, in that Boeing sorted out the fire issue (lithium Ion battery teething problems) before putting it into production
I've seen plenty of older planes that really need to visit a paint shop.
yet, lets see if the fuselages come apart with the gap issue
@@soilentgreen7 You mean the ones that have been fixed or the ones that aren't an airworthiness issue?
This is because composite materials don't hold the paint the same way as metal alloy did. This is something we are learning to fix now. It is a cosmetic issue and that's it.
It's a cosmetic issue today, tomorrow may bring a different reality.
@@magellanmax that's not how any of this works. Stripped paint does not affect the structural integrity of the material underneath it.
@@miguiaus9993 An uneven surface of a wing dictates how air flows and also how condensation & ultimately how ice forms. You have to understand that all these 'small' problems are new in the industry and long term effects are yet to be realized. I'm sure the folks at Boeing never thought their negligence & greed would lead to the criminal proceedings after the two 737-MAX crashes.
It is only a problem in airlines who have their base in the desert of the Middle East. The freeflowing sand chips off part of the paint.
@@magellanmaxthese planes constantly fly in icing conditions, if it were a problem, it would have presented itself and forced an AWD already, not some time in the future
I love the 787 and honestly I still trust it just fine. I hope Boeing fixes their quality control issues quick.
they have fixed their quality control issues
@@nickolliver3021 We’ll see. Haven’t seen any new Boeings yet but I hope they have.
@@wackaircaftmechanic2312 alot of new boeings are coming out of production without quality issues so I see no problem here
@@nickolliver3021there's still some issues with the 737 MAX...
@@pTrzor what issues are they that are about the MAX?
It’s composite materials that is the issue. Same with Airbus A-350. The issue will be up to the paint manufacturers to solve not Boeing or Airbus.
That's an issue that will take years to figure out since not many airlines can afford to ground any of their Dreamliners.
It's boeing problem to solve as well as the paint maker
Before the Boeing bashing starts… let me also remind you that this was an issue on the Airbus A350 as well… it’s because composite materials don’t hold on to the paint as well as the metal fuselage that we are used to
And this is supposed to be some shocking, unknown new problem? Aircraft manufacturers have been using composites since the 1970’s! This is not a new problem
@@ScottRoneynew paints are kinda garbage as paints though because of environmental regulations. Back in the day the paint contained all kinds of nasty stuff that helped it stay flexible and adhere better, a lot of that isn’t legal to use anymore.
@@ScottRoneydid I ever say it was supposed to be a “shocking unknown problem?
Oh stop. Fly Boeing, take your life in your oun hands
Ok we can agree to disagree on the this plane is perfectly safe to fly comment. I definitely don't hope Boeing gets faa approval for anything. They should have lost every dime for the people they killed by not teaching pilots about there auto pilot failure. All to make a buck and keep it on schedule. Every dime and every personal dime and future dimes of the ones responsible for this. Never fly in one of there planes!!!
I spent years working for an airline and was amazed how often someone who flew once every other year assumed they knew if a plane was airworthy better than an aeronautical engineer with 30 years experience.
Finally someone said it, it’s almost like people think their feelings are an indicator of something real.
@@MrMoon-pz1lm Very well put.
Agreed I’m a engineer and worked at GM for 30 then Boeing after for 15 I know how you feel john
@@MrMoon-pz1lmwait wait wait.::……so you’re saying acting on emotions, which we see so much of today, isn’t a good thing?
Sort of a facts don’t care about your feelings thing?
Yes! Thank you!
@@richardcranium3579 More like "Feelings does not equal competence or experience."
But yeah. Pretty similar line of thinking. 👌
Loose bolts is also a cosmetic issue.
Exactly. It’s an even smoother look when the bolts are missing because they were never installed.
@@nexus_plexusWell yea, you know sometimes “less is best”. Plus with the bolts missing it saves weight.
You mean a cosmetic feature
Less parts on a plane = fuel saved = money saved for both the airlines and Boeing = profits!
Yeah my boss has a few loose bolts!
Qatar Airways: You became the very own thing you swore to destroy
Boeing is single-handedly proving exactly what's wrong with American manufacturing right before our eyes like this and it's on a repeated basis, which is sad. We used to be a proper country lol.
Too much "brain fog" in the industry. I wonder what ever could be causing this....
We used to have union workers building aircraft. We also used to have nanagement at big corporations who cared more about quality control than their million $$ stock options based on performance.
When your banger car looks better then a new Boeing 😮
Same with a new airbus😮
I flew in a 787 on the way back from Europe in 2014. The experience renewed my faith in the future eventually coming. Peeling paint isn't wonderful, but its hardly a disaster.
Maybe Boeing should have used duck tape around the cabin doors so they wouldn’t have blown off! Yeah that’s the ticket!!
no idea what you mean, plane doors dont open above 10000ft
@@Messier42-handleexcept one Alaskan Airlines plane
What is "duck tape"? Is it better than chicken tape?
@@paulparoma Quack!
Fun Fact: Duct tape was originally invented by Johnson & Johnson's Permacel division during WWII for the US military. The military specifically needed a waterproof tape that could be used to keep moisture out of ammunition cases.
It is just the paint... no safety issue to passengers, so enjoy your flight! 😀😂
its not just the paint , its chunks of the paint layers that's breaking off and cracking exposing the carbon fiber below , the A350 has the same issue
@@zahkam7322So just.. use speed tape?
@@hyderite1 Yup , i think as soon as they see a crack , they use the tape it seems.
And the paint on the 787 loses its gloss super fast. They just become dull and matte looking after less than 5 years
Qatar Airways after refusing the A350, losing the A320neo and tons of money to end up with the same problem with the 787 be like: 🗿
ikr
A350 doesent have problem
@@mega6076 A350 absolutely does have an issue with peeling paint, and it’s more extensive than what we see on the 787.
@@jacksons1010 The A350 paint is fixed now. Basically they've already done what Boeing are planning to do
@@mega6076The 350 had the same problem that this does
I guess people should be glad the doors don't blow off.
The 787 manufacturing process is at least better than their 737 MAX's manufacturing process 🔥
The doors on the 777 and 787 are an Airbus design built under license.
Stfu with all that nonsense
Great! I have a non-stop 12 hours flight and the aircraft is B787! I am gonna look at the wings as soon as I get on the fight!!!
Just drink a lot of alcohol.
I always fly drunk, well, at least when I passenger. When I’m on the flight deck, that’s a different story. Hoping to get up in the airplane soon as a pilot and not a passenger.
Nice ... I also never drink alcohol when I'm on the flight deck. Just recreational drugs. @@postersm7141
I’m 13, and I plan to be an airline pilot when I grow up. I am really hoping to fly the 787, I hope it doesn’t retire before I get to fly it!
Get into remote control planes! Teaches you a lot about aerodynamics! Good luck
try airbus ,its much better….boeing sucks
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If it does get retired, better planes are gonna come that you will like more
If you like computer games go Airbus. If you like flying aircraft go Boeing, and they look better.@@tommyx777
Boeing: everything is okey its quality duct tape
To be fair, both the 787 and A350 have issues with their skin and paint. They’re both made from carbon fiber which doesn’t hold the paint very well.
those are called static ports. And as a 30 plus year airline mechanic, we use speed tape all of the time. MEL or CDL allows it.
Airbus had the same issue with paint but no one mentions that.
I was on an ANA 787 last weekend, lots of tape on the wings.
Nope, fuck them. They got complacent and now they’re paying the price. Deal with it but trust in Boeing - gone!
“The 787 is totally safe”
50 passengers in Australia today: “yeah about that”
The 787 has a perfect safety record.
As an Australian, what airline and what flight?
If there is no issue why do they need to tape it?
It just streamlines the surface
My takeaway from this video? Boeing has a *massive* problem.
AeroPeru Flight 603 crashed killing 70 people because sticky tape covered the outside ports for the airspeed and altitude sensors. That’s why sticky tape on planes has eerie signs the plane is in bad shape for passengers.
Can't believe that one accident alone successfully causes fear among passengers when 1,000+ planes that flew around the world right now had some sort of speed tape in their fuselage body
Wait wait that’s on whoever’s dumb idea it was to put tape over the pedos
There are no sensors on top of the wing.
@@WALTERBROADDUS I know. But vast majority of airplane passengers are not airplane enthusiasts or technicians so they don’t know that. Seeing speed tape on an airplane gives off the same vibes as seeing duct tape on a car. Just a quick fix or patch work to cover a more serious underlying problem.
I’ve flown on a Boeing that had speed tape patches on the wing and it did not matter how many times I told my neighbouring seat mate that no flight control sensors were being covered by that speed tape on the wing and that the airplane was safe to fly…her fear made her reject my statements and she was a nervous wreck the whole flight.
@@YamiPheonix531 I think it's poor manufacturing quality control on the part of Boeing to be turning out products like this. You solve the problem before planes go out the door....
It's not just tape but gaffer tape😂. We are still learning about composite construction in commercial aviation so I wouldn't lose sleep over the 787/350 paint issues...
Let me tell you, I ain't gettin on no Plane that's stuck together with Duct Tape!
good...because they aren't....ever
Anti corrosive paint on a composite 787 wing lol. The issue is the primer used, made by PPG, did not bond well with the composite surface. The issue is exacerbated by the fact that the 787 wing flexes more than most aircraft. This causes compression on the upper surface and paint flexes and disbonds. New compounds are being made and applied, in the meantime before repaints, regular inspections are done and aluminium speed tape is applied via approved SRM methods. The tape is purely there to protect the carbon from UV damage.
WOW! That’s not good! Peeling paint or surface degradation that early on especially in a new and modern design like the 787 is pretty bad! 😮😮
I hope for the sake of the Dreamliner that Boeing gets that FAA APPROVAL very soon! 😅
the A350 has the exact same problems
its not Boeings fault for bad paint
@@nickolliver3021Very true indeed! 😅
In my company meeting last week our division leader was still admiring Boeing during his pep talk. It figures since our quality went to shit ever since he took over.
Karma. The company that murdered hundreds of souls in the name of corporate greed.
I'm much more worried about all the 787's flying around with metal shavings in interior compartments slowing cutting their way through all the wiring...
Gee, you are scaring me dude..
Sometimes I can’t avoid flying on a 787 although I prefer to fly on 777 with all tyres or not!!! if 350 or 380 not avail on my trans-pacific routes.
Boeing 737: problems
Boeing 787: problems
Boeing 777: delayed / problems
This company won’t be there anymore in 20 years
I agree with U.
Not at all, Boeing and Airbus still have about the same market value at this current moment if I'm correct, it's possible that Boeing will soon LOSE to airbus, but I garruntee Boeing will still exist and operate till teleportation is invented, which will be no time soon.
The US government would never let that happen 🤣🤣🤣🤣 the USAF would be useless
The United States will give them enough corporate welfare to survive 100%.
In the same way that Europe does with… Basically every company in Europe
KC46 problems
It’s just another layer of paint! CF doesn’t ‘rust’ so it’s not an “anti-corrosive” paint layer at all. CF does deteriorate due to Water intrusion which, if unchecked, will delaminate the layers and strip it of any load bearing capability and hence, to prevent that, another layer of paint is needed to combat this issue…
If it's Boeing, I ain't going
It actually isn't all that safe. Safe in a sense there isn't any effect on the planes "immediate" integrity.
However, when the paint peels it exposes the wings epoxy layer to UV light, extreme & frequent temperature changes, along with moisture. Those are things epoxy doesn't like, especially over time.
"Boeing 787 Has a MASSIVE Problem" yeah like every modern Boeing
1800 sold, the most efficient widebody flying. I think ur very ignorant
and every modern Airbus so what's the point
@@nickolliver3021 😂😂😂😂😂😂Name some major that have Airbus ?
@@valenting6157 so you can't even name them lol that explains why 😄😄😄
@@nickolliver3021 wtf are you on ? I ask you to name what problem they have and you can't even name them lmao AND THEN YOU PUT THE BLAME ON ME 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tape on a wing means a flying lemon 🍋. And lemons go to the ground for repair. No paint excuses. Replace the whole wings or send those flying lemons to the scrap yard. I pass on saving gas because I rather save my.....life. 😮
Boeing has a few more reputational problems than just a bit of tape on the 787. Raise your hand if you plan on fly8ng the 737 Max9 anytime soon?
Damnit, nobody is explaining why the chemical bonds between carbon fiber and these paint jobs is failing.
"Its just the paint." Okay... why IS it coming off?
Paint degradation seems to be extremely common with these aircraft, TUI UK's original 787-8's delivered over 10 years ago now (how time flies! Pun intended I guess) are absolutely hideous looking. The blue is all washed looking and you can clearly see the repaint where the Thomson branding was patched over.
What is Boeing doing about their shoddy reputation? They’re forgetting to install bolts!!
I tried explaing this to airbus haters who brought up Qatar A350's, I'm glad you've made this video
I noticed this tape all over the wing of the 787 when I was flying home in a 10 hour flight back home...
Like someone mentioned, A350 has even worse painting. Check Qatar and 350 before World Cup. Just very interesting, this RUclipsr change style after he become full time RUclipsr and after he visited Airbus in Europe. That’s funny
There might be a valid reasoning behind a possible change of heart from the youtuber.
The 787 is the only really good product Boeing offers to compete with Airbus. ...and hopefully the 777x will be as well when they finally get it done.
Westjet wont let me pay to change to a non Max 8 plane. Im really upset that i have to pay for a new flight to fly on a safer plane.
I sure miss the luminum skinned jets of the past..lm not sure about duct tape on a birdy. 😬😬😬
4simmers:
We must make a new livery pack
No shame in Boeing's game. just break out the duct tape.there just like new.
The 787 is such a good plane but its just those old accidents that have put a dent in the trust of passengers for boeing.Airbus has the same problem and even worse, but still the passengers are not afraid of it as it is fried into their brain that airbus planes are safe. Hope this paint issue gets fixed asap.
We used to use speed tape in the air force b52 all the time for a quick fix.
If there's a dreamliner, there must be a nightmareliner.
Who is going to pay for the repaint of the aircraft? BA or the Airline?
Why doesn't Boeing work on making their planes safe instead? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that would do more for their reputation than giving their planes a paint job.
First and last time I will waste time on a posting by Coby!
Not a perception it is reality that their planes are shoddily built
My very early carbon road bike, made by Specialized, developed witness cracks in places where the frame flexed. It looked alarming and lots of people discarded their frames but it was only the consequence of putting thick hard paint on a flexy material. Carbon frames have thinner paint and smoother lug areas nowadays.
Hope they are using Gorilla brand tape .
"FAA causes more and more delays and costs in aircraft design and manufacturing" There, I fixed your irresponsible title.
I like the a350 better
What has Boeing done to earn back public trust? Lied, tried to cover up their mistakes, fired safety staff, possibly killed a whistle blower. How does this help?
My company has an exclusive contract with Boeing. We fly Boeing 787 tails, wings, and fuselages from Italy and Japan to America for final assembly. Early on we flew a pair of wings from the Italian plant to their Charleston, SC plant. Upon arrival, the Charleston plant figured out that the wing fittings were a few inches out of position. Apparently the Italian plant didn’t receive this design change before they manufactured a set and sent them to America. These are carbon fiber wings - you can’t just move the wing fittings. They were a complete architectural loss. You’re having serious production problems if you can’t even maintain basic communications between your various plants. Better yet, make them all in one place instead of piecemeal parts assembly the way it used to be. Easier to maintain quality control that way.
Bro made a vid saying other pple are saying the 787 sucks and is gonna crash and that his video is telling the truth yet the TITLE “The Boeing 787 has a massive problem” AND STARTS THE VIDEO WITH THE TAPE 💀
this is a "MASSIVEEE PROBLEMMM"?? dude, make videos that are informative instead of click baiting for views.
Solution: a range of coloured speed tapes that match the paint everywhere. $1M for that idea Boeing, you're welcome.
I worked on aircraft for four years, and never used speed tape. Using that stuff seems so weird to me.
Boeing started outsourcing to cheap foreign labour. This was bound to happen, not sure why everyone is so "oh my gosh, how did this happen"... Boeing should solely be built in The States or Canada.
This aged like milk
I flew the China Southern B787 from Melbourne to Guangzhou and back despite it meant to be the A350 according to booking documents
Bro why at first glance at 787 landing or taking off, first glance it does not look like it even has tail like it’s camouflaged into the runway💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣
Bro BOEING IS ALWAYS IN TROUBLE FOR NO REASON!!! I want Boeing Troubles to Stop now
It looks kinda cool tho not gonna lie
what has boeing done to win back our trust?
Gosh but the blue RR livery looks great.
Graphic designer here, They need the tape to say "Attention!" in large, red, impactful typeface.
Doesn’t Airbus have the same problem
Yea people never talk about it as they want to shit on Boeing
I like non composite mostly aluminum planes better, such as the 777. Well, I know they still have some composites, but no where close as much as the 787.
Eventually new Boeing widebodies would have no paint. Instead they would only use tape in the entirety of the external part of the Hull, tail, wings
"massive". Nah they have other problems.
Would hello kitty speed tape allay their fears? Ill go get some. :D lol!!
Why would a new anticorrosive layer paint fix this issue? The wings are carbon fiber. Carbon fiber doesn't corrode. I have worked in aviation coatings for 17 years, and i just would like to know what the commentaor is talking about.
We did have mixed cliques in the IE mostly created in the mid 2000’s. Dudes from
Different LA sets coming together to make one clique which most ended up becoming their own sets once homegrown members got recruited. However I’m not sure if any of them have a blood Crip mix. I know alot of them now claim Crip like Hustler squad in Rialto.
But now all that has died out. This generation is back to traditional banging, no more claiming two things. Back in the mid 2000’s those dudes were claiming their hood and their new cliques at the same time. Shit got real confusing
As a former employee of Boeing and Spirit Aerosystems, UNQUALIFIED people (without proper credentials) have been promoted (at all levels) across both companies due to Diversity, Equality and Inclusion.
British Airways 'Dreamliner' (what a misnomer) I took to Japan recently was frankly the worst long haul aeroplane I've been on in 40 years of flying. Awful - cheap and nasty plastics everywhere, horrible seats, cramped cabin, not enough toilets, noisy and flimsy internally. Never again. It's Airbus for me from now on. Bring back the 747!
must try much harder, and try and prevent ''whistle blower's from, ahem, 'commiting suicide.'
Nice Airbus promo. Pays well?
😂If I was you I would be more concerned with driving your car to the airport safely than getting on any aircraft! Why do you trust anything you hear on TV, radio, newspaper? Journalists know everything? They do NOT! Do not be misled!🤣
The problem was when the companies merged ,and McDonnell-Douglas obtained control of the board, rather the Boeing engineers. It was then being run by MBA’s and bean counters instead of actual engineers.
ALL PLANES DO THE SAME THING
It's not a "problem".
It's a reality in physics that flexing panels lead to micro gaps (leaking) and that tape is an effective temporary solution.
Don’t just say Boeing has this issue. The A-350 had this problem as well. And had orders cancelled. I’ve not heard about any Boeing aircraft orders being cancelled. So don’t just put this on Boeing. If your gonna to this then make sure you bring the whole truth.
Time to bring back good old fashioned, time tested aluminum skin!!! The public isn’t going to accept much more speed tape & neither should the airlines!! Yes, that’d curtail the ‘87’s signature wing curvature & might sacrifice some fuel savings….but this looks laughable!
I know ALOT about this our fleet has a very big problem with this, which i’ve become the expert in my area for. So what is happening is boeing plhave been painting too thin of a coat on (to save weight) and the UV is travelling through and eating at the epoxy under the paint on the top layer of carbon fiber, and this is what is disbonding the paint.
Boeing tell us to speed tape the damage as temp repair and as a permanent repair, you wipe you the exposed area 7-14 times with IPA, if it leaves brown residue on the rag after the 14th wipe then the epoxy has become compromised. So a flood coat of epoxy is needed, and then epoxy primer and paint. But alot of our planes have returned to boeing as this is warranty work