DGG favorite conservative ex-cop CounterPoints comes on to defend BookSmarts Destiny Confronts His Friend, Bridge Catches Fire... ►ruclips.net/video/9ZRwDM-qcPc/видео.html
"The view points we espouse will have real world..." Let me stop you right there... Police dude, you're a fucking talking head people put on the background while they are playing roblox lol
He could be playing a 90 second clip of gameplay on a loop and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. At least he's not just opening and closing a menu for 6 hours or staring at the single animated frame known as "Darkest Dungeon"
@@esotericoutcast641 , you know there are malignant bastards in law-enforcement and military functions too, right? In fact they are overrepresented in law-enforcement, especially in places with lacking transparency... No problem to you?
Fuck, Counterpoints isn't a bad guy, but I fucking cringe whenever people unironically try to do the heart-to-heart shit with Destiny. I've had people in my personal life try to do that too, and it's really fucking cringe and unwarranted.
Mannn my girl does this in good fait, she's very empathetic, but sometimes it's during moments where I don't care about if anyone in general is in agreement with my "feelings" and I'm not discussing a matter related to feelings, just purely about me giving an observation or noticing a habit that I dislike etc etc and pointing it out to reduce it's occurrence. It's almost like being told "I hear you and I feel for what you are saying" when you're just trying to get someone to agree that i.e. cancelling plans often is annoying and that they need to work on reducing the habit lol
@@SDY274 Ironically enough this post shows a lack of emotional intelligence. Not every conversation needs to be an exhausting heart to heart. It requires you to read a room and know when it's appropriate.
You could see Destiny slowly dying in the beginning at how much good faith was afforded to Booksmarts to construct a reality where the shitty things he did could be excused. Especially when Destiny is at the other end of that spectrum of people interpreting his takes in the most uncharitable ways. I'd lose any interest dealing with those people facing such an incongruence.
He'd probably be given good faith by counterpoints anyway. I think counterpoints just generally likes good faith which is nice but I think even with the best faith interpretation illustrated booksmarts still looks bad.
IDK how Books handles a sensitive situation like this so poorly with his “optics guy” credibility intact. That convo was like watching a wax statue of him melt over the course of an hour.
As a watcher of both, destiny suffers from this mind reading "I don't believe you think that" syndrome I've never appreciated. His intuition makes sense and 8/10 steven is dead right, but in cases like that convo it is infuriating to deal with when ik booksmarts is not thinking the way destiny thinks he's thinking.
god that abortion thing was insane. They agreed well before hand that if she got pregnant, she would get an abortion. Both parties agreed with that, but when it actually she actually got pregnant she was having second thoughts. How could anyone entrust a person like that with a decision that monumental? That dude was 100% correct in never speaking with her again.
The thing is, they continued dating for 3 years after that, they didn't even seperate. She posted that video right after she broke up with him, 3 years after the incident.
Well, he should have the legal right to do so if they’d made a “deal” of sorts. Financial abortion I think people call it. That’s got to be a weird spot, when did this happen?
@Ian Novak damn youre the first one to recognize its a bleach character but not know who he is. Its Zangetsu, but i wont tell you the real name revealed in the manga incase youre interested in watching the upcoming rerelease of the show.
I watched at least 100 of his Malenia deaths. After like 3.5 years of consistently watching his content, I have genuinely never once watched him play league for more than 5 minutes at a time.
My dad always said: "If your convictions aren't tested, they aren't true." You can't argue your a good person if you fold like a deck of cards the minute things get difficult. Destiny is 100% correct imho
In regards to almost all of these little disagreements, I think Counterpoints is missing the actual point. When Booksmarts said Destiny's ban was justified, said that he randomly said the n-word, and said that he was manipulating the Bob7 situation as well, the issue isn't that he felt that way, it's that he came out publicly to share these ideas when he either didn't have the entire context, or in the Bob7 example, completely misunderstood the timeline of events. Same with the Sabrina issue. "Do you understand how the hormones of pregnancy might have caused her to change her mind?" It really doesn't matter if she changed her mind. Gus and Sabrina had a personal issue between the two of them and emotions were high. The problem is she came out to slam Gus publicly for such a personal issue. Counterpoints repeating if Steven "could see where he was coming from" misses the point of Steven's criticisms.
Agreed, & when BookSmart came out publicly & described the incident in the restaurant, he did so in a way that was super misleading. Tbh as a Latina I'd prob have been uncomfortable at a table with somebody saying that word also, but I def wouldn't have announced it online later in a way that made the person look far worse. The situation said more about Booksmarts own sensitivity & social ineptitude than about Steve/ Destiny In general I like this cop guy, so I don't mind him being on the channel. I just think this Booksmarts thing wasn't a good topic to debate
Yeah he’s being unreasonably empathetic to someone doing an awful thing, seems to happen a lot to dudes whenever they talk about a woman doing something bad tbh
This is just a thing I've noticed: Most cops will defend what they see as valid authority very fanatically. This is a positive (personality)trait when it comes to their duties. Though they often don't realize it when they lack the expertise necessary to judge the validity of certain authority.
This abortion argument is ridiculous. I didn't turn into a mumbling mombie when I found out I was pregnant and it didn't impact the mutual agreement I made beforehand with my partner. It fucking sucks to get pregnant when you didn't intend to, but it doesn't give you an excuse to go back on agreements you've made which would impact your life and another's in such a massive way.
It’s cool seeing Destiny finally see these people for who they really are. They aren’t interested in any of the ideas they spout. Its clout feeding all the way down. Even though Destiny’s appeal is that he speaks to anyone, it’s also the thing that feeds and creates this cluster or cringe, desperate, pseudo intellectuals that will do or say anything to be able to sit in a chair for a living.
Exactly, they are all pining for the Hasan life, Booksmarts doesn't have 'it' but instead of getting a job he's running around in Mexico desperate to make it so he doesn't have to work outside of the streaming chair, all of these guys want that life and hell it looks great, but most can't
It's sounding more and more that Book never really liked Destiny that much, Destiny was just the only person who would treat him in good faith, launching Book's meager Twitch career basically single handedly. It's pretty fucked up to then not reevaluate who you like and why after that, but then that's kind of been the story of Destiny's career, hasn't it? And what's crazy is I don't expect Destiny to change. Every time he builds the bridge completely by himself, because the other person simply isn't in a position to build a bridge with a larger streamer, and every time if the bridge needs burning he won't hesitate to throw the torch.
Plot twist: When Connor says he gets a sober check from his wife to make sure he's not crazy, what he means by 'wife' is his imaginary friend that speaks to him... How crazy would that be?
All I could think when Counterpoints was talking about knowing everything about a person before having sex with them was that he plays the sims too much.
I have to say, Destiny, with a straight face, saying that he only considers 2 people in his entire life who would be mature and rational enough to meet the standard he set in this convo says a lot lmao
Destiny reminds me of my brother, somewhat. Guarded, very quick to make extreme judgements, but smart enough to tell you why. This all-or-nothing approach lacks nuance and as a "people person", you have to give most people that charitable benefit of the doubt. Most people don't consider themselves what we judge them to be based off a few interactions that went wrong. It's usually just a breakdown of effective communication. I think Destiny understands all of this, but doesn't like to "show his work", if you will. Smart dude. Funny dude. Hope he gets unbanned, I feel it was unfair.
I love how every few months an obscure term that I never heard in this space before will all of a sudden begin appearing in every conversation. This month’s term is “tautology.”
You have no right to do something you ASSume will benefit others. Your rights are limited to you and those who give you permission in advance to speak and act for them.
As a female, I can confirm what this cop is saying about our brains sometimes becoming hormonal mush. & I'm someone who's achieved a lot in the corporate world. I literally have to not make decisions on certain days. Males have a 24hr hormone cycle, while for females it's around 28 days, & the fluctuations are far, far more significant & complex. So, respectfully, it's impossible for Steve to really understand. Personally, I'm pro choice (up until viability, basically, the same caselaw as Roe v Wade & Casey v Planned Parenthood), but for myself, I'm not sure I could end my own preg. There's a very easy solution for that though, bc we now have >20 ways to prevent preg
Yeah destiny was definitely in the wrong about this. I don’t understand how as a man he thinks he can honestly know that experience and how it can change your mind state. Not just pregnancies either, periods too.
What. Never been pregnant but do have pms every month (albeit not bad). However, i can feel very emotional and still be able to differentiate between my emotions and objective reality. Destiny is 100% correct. If you agreed to get an abortion you get an abortion. End of discussion. Sure, your hormones might be raging but you can still remember the agreement you made and choose to stick to it.
Well that was a thorough waste of everyone's time. I love how Counterpoints basically came in to just offer the possibility of maybe somehow there was someone with the right attributes considering something incorrectly, and was too limpwristed to just talk about Booksmarts directly.
I'm confused by this waste of time thing.... I literally fast forward through League and Elden Ring quiet time to get to these conversations. Do you only watch edited youtube videos? If you watch livestreams this comment seems like you have a lot more to say and are just hiding your ill will toward him. Waste of time? Really? What do you think we're all doing here? :D
This semantic shell game is honestly just tiring. Yeah, booksmarts may have a reasonable point of view on this topic but instead of discussing that right now, we're here discussing how disingenuous his framing was. Nobody is saying that this post hoc reframe of what he said is bad, literally nobody disagrees with the added context but we're not talking about that, we're talking about how careless he is with the way he presents his arguments at times. For someone who stakes his whole personality on rhetoric and OpTiCs, he sure seems to have optically bad rhetoric sometimes lol
It’s not even semantics at a certain point it’s about how the pedantry is dishonestly represented. It’s about how a reasonable audience would reasonably interpret booksmarts comments. He’s hiding behind semantics to deny how his comments would be reasonably interpreted in a negative light.
@@OpiatesAndTits oh I totally agree. It gets even weirder when you consider that booksmarts himself already agreed that it was really bad framing and gave people the wrong impression and destiny already said that the further clarification was reasonable. I don't even get why this conversation happened because if booksmarts started arguing what counterpoints was arguing here, it would be a walk back of a walk back. This whole discussion was already had and concluded lol
Everybody's feelings aren't valid. If they were we wouldn't delineate between the emotional response of something like a spouse that has good a reason to believe or be suspicious of cheating as opposed to someone being pathologically insecure and controlling. The entire field of psychology and psychiatry is predicated on recognizing and addressing what could be considered "invalid emotional responses" by comparing and contrasting people's mental states relative to a expectation of normalcy. The "don't invalidate my feelings" memery is a bastardized caricature of the clinical best practice of not directly confronting patients on their irrational or compromised patterns of thought/emotional responses because you can never be too careful when you don't know how they'll respond. Good counseling is predicated on the cooperative state of the patient. It doesn't follow that just because you shouldn't be shouting "your feelings are invalid" in the face of mentally compromised people that it's therefore true that feelings aren't ever invalid. if you're having strong emotional responses caused by delirium, empirical mistakes and misdeductions, and so forth - of course they're invalid. Whether you choose to use that word to describe it or not is irrelevant - if you're response to such emotional reactions are "It would be better if I/we/you/they didn't respond that way", that implies invalidity by necessity. This is what it means for something to be invalid. Stop spreading this cancer.
True but false. Destiny and every other twitch debater yell over each other in almost every debate. It's constant. Half of these debates are a waste of time full of nothing but people yelling and no one listening. If they wanted productive conversations, debate mods would actively mute people from interruption OR, make it so one person has the 'mic' at a time.
I'd say Destiny has decidedly put him in the "rat fake clout goblin" pile but I doubt he'd stop talking to him, I know I would if my friend was off somewhere preaching how I need to be punished without me present
@@keithfilibeck2390 Not at all and I think viewers like you are pretty toxic tbh. We don't understand the nuances of Destiny's relationships based on what we see live and furthermore this "CUT HIM OFF" "BURN IT" fan-take from Twitch and YT viewers is just like a fucking Raiders fan who wants to stab someone for being a Steelers fan because they made one little take, one little neg against our favorite streamer. Destiny sees Booksmarts as having done a stupid thing. This idea that he's evil is fucking neanderthal shit.
Destiny is in the wrong space. Twitch politics is absolutely worthless, almost all of online politics is disconnected from reality. There's infinitely better info out there
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor by twitch I guess I just mean the livestreaming space hes been in for years. There's other networks of people that are infinitely more knowledgeable and genuine where he'd better fit in. Most of these political streamers are psychotic with zero real world experience
Ironic how the rhetoric guy who focuses on real-life effectiveness has to keep hiding behind the most asocial, robotic interpretations of everything he says.
I really hope counterpoints doesnt turn into booksmarts 2.0 with the thinly veiled trying to be nuanced, which just means hold destiny to a way higher standard than everyone else.
"Don't you want a lame, boring friend to ruin your night by preventing cool stuff from happening? Wouldn't that be nice?" .... "I only hang out with you to get my real friends out of speeding tickets."
I find it amusing that this guy was on a panel which was spreading lies about Destiny and didn’t do enough to defend him, but someone like me, who agrees with Destiny less, who wouldn’t suck up to him (like this guy is), and even hated him at one point, would’ve got angry on that panel with their lies and would have aggressively defended Destiny. If there’s one thing you can take from Metokur, it’s don’t have online friends. Most of them are snakes in the grass.
He may not have even known enough to confidently defend Destiny on whatever lies were being spread. Apparently he didn't know Destiny didn't make a 41% joke. Destiny himself didn't even know when he was watching the panel stream.
@@TheRedHaze3 I’d have told them evidence or nobody wants to hear it. I’d have kept hounding the moderator to eject anyone making claims about Destiny without evidence. He didn’t do enough in my eyes. There was a lady on the panel who kept asking for evidence for claims. He didn’t do the same.
I really dont think Books is clout farming thats my biggest gripe with this and Destiny perpetuates it as well. He could do way more if he really wanted to just farm clout. He said some stupid things but I hate how crucified he gets. And i guarantee you every person in this audience has said something worse.
Agreed it was just some dumb unnecessary take Booksmarts had that he couldn’t admit was wrong. Really not that big of a deal. Destiny does the same shit. Remember when he tried driving drunk after groping Hasan but only didn’t because Andy Milonakis stopped him? And then he argued with and banned everyone that mentioned it? When has Destiny ever admitted he was wrong in the moment? He only ever admits he’s wrong long after the fact after reflection. Him and every other human being that has ever existed
Same. I'm a bit mixed on this. I can understand why D is frustrated because the things that Book said(nword, manipulator, etc.) sound really bad and him being the rhetoric guy should mean that he should know better. On the other hand: if he would be clout farming I don't really know from where because a large part of his audience is Destiny's audience and streamers like vaush and DM dislike him for disagreeing with them.
Destiny claims to not want an echo chamber but quickly burns the bridge with any of his friends who dare to criticise any of his behaviour. This kinda behaviour just breeds sycophants
How does destiny have these conversations while fighting the goddess of rot? I literally had to mute everyone in discord, turn out all the lights, and max out my eldin ring volume.
Given Destiny's recent ban and getting backstabbed by "friends" that he has helped by platforming, he is currently hyper sensitive about criticism his actual friends might have about him. Therefore, any criticism or comments made by friends will be looked at thru a suspicious lens and will likely not get the benefit of the doubt. The "who hurt you" meme is alive and well here.
@@ExsoLam criticism can be bad but the motive for it may not be. Destiny uncharitably ascribing a bad motive can be influenced by the things I detailed.
Being compared to a manipulator isn’t criticism, it’s called an uncharitable detraction that only becomes charitable with evidence and context, in which Booksmarts knew said context, and that it wouldn’t Destiny comparable to Bob7 and still said it. Secondly, if Booksmarts was coming from the position of a “concerned friend”, then he could’ve very easily approached Destiny privately based on the many other times that his so-called “behavior” got him into trouble
I don't really think Book's idea of good and productive conversations has to do with whether or not you are nice, I think it has to do with whether or not your attitude ends up leading to a less engaged conversation. If you come off as dismissive and the other person disengages because of it he tends to disapprove of that approach.
I am just so confused as to why this retired cop is all caught up on the lore of a political streamers orbiter drama??? I'm in electrical engineering and I barely have time to watch 30 minutes of this shit jesus
I don't get why so many people perpetuate this idea of Destiny being super unkind and thriving off 'bloodsports.' The only time I've seen him being legitimately 'mean' is whenever someone goes out of their way to be a douchebag to him first, and even then his 'meanness' is always delivered behind a pointed argument engaging with the other person's ideas. It's like people think its 'unkind' or 'bloodsports' to just directly address the disagreements you have with someone- no matter how intellectually honest you are about it- without first pointlessly showering each other in fake af "friendliness" like you're trying to make an elevator ride with someone you hate feel a little less awkward.
Rape is an act of violence, not of sex. Horny sexually that becomes rape is the point that violence begins, not at the first kiss in regards to date rape. Rape otherwise has nothing to do with sex. It is to harm not to have sex.
@@AntiTheBird Violence = human rights being violated. Harm can occur without violating your human rights. You bruised me but I told you to. Harm without. This way rape and pretend rape are not conflated when you use the word violent. Consent is not a violation of anything.
@@googletaqiyya184 Sex: (chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse If you notice, the definition of sex does not exclude violence nor require consent. Rape is sex, non consentual sex specifically, but sex none the less
The whole part of 'I havent enjoyed Destiny's content the past few years' really is disgusting to me on so many levels. Assuming BS ever engages with anyone about his actual beliefs: - We are talking about an opinion presumably developed over YEARS of time. You simply can't remember that wrong, but BS is standing firm that he never felt that way until VIDEO EVIDENCE is proving him wrong about HIS OWN BELIEFS. When PROVEN WRONG, he IMMIDIANTLY gives up and asks FORGIVENESS. That just isn't how anything works. - He walks it back though, an opinion that's COMPLETELY FINE. It's FINE not to like Destiny's content, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's pure preferences, and he doesn't have to defend that. But he walks it back anyway. I would NEVER walk back ANY of my tastes, especially not in entertainment. It's just disgusting to me this level of dishonesty, and the begging for forgiveness instead of offering clarification is just nauseating cherry on top. The constant lying to the point where BS can't even remember or keep track of them anymore. And it's about completely inconspicuous subjects, he didn't need to do ANY of this to begin with.
He was also clearly trolling Has if you watch the vod. Right after he says 2 years he asks Hans what are some videos Destiny has made in the last 2 months, so thats probably what he really meant.
@@dylankempthorne Why walk it back and ask forgiveness then? I've also already stated that I find no issue with him not liking someone's content, I literally couldn't care less. It's the needless lying about it that disgusts me.
@@roberteriksen6434 He walked back the part where he said it was 2 years. I dont remember him saying the 2 months was a lie too or at least not fully. It was mainly hyperboly.
I say nothing in private I would not say in public regarding things not personal or have promised not to reveal. Stop lying and live free to give a good example for others and to feel much better.
@@novinnovations4026 Not not. Lazy leftists use vagueness to hide the fact they are insecure with their assertions. Like screaming Wrong and running away.
I'm pretty sure that's just to snag the algorithm. I think "Ex-Cop jumps on stream" gets more traction than "Counterpoints jumps on stream" or whatever.
28:25 - I always amazes me how serious convos have moments like these and people usually don't call it out until now lol. "Did a cat scratch your balls?"
The Gus Johnson thing was about a lot more than just the girl changing her mind about an abortion though right? I thought that was just one minor part of the story but ultimately she decided to still have an abortion, so that wasnt even the problem. The main part of the video was that Gus was supposedly really shitty/emotionally abusive to her while she was going through an ectopic pregnancy. I can get behind leaving and not trusting someone if they go back on their word over something so life-changing, but it seems strange to boil the entire video down to that and say that she was reaching for clout.
Hey did you hear what Counterpoints said about what Booksmarts said about Destiny? Or what WickedSupreme said about what Booksmarts said about Destiny? It's like a human centipede of drama
C: "what if I told you your feelings matter" D: "I don't care" C: "Wow kinda rude dude" Lol stfu this isn't a conversation about feelings, this is a conversation about ideas.
counterpoints is a good faith version of book smarts. He is way too charitable to people who have shown their lack of good faith. It's really annoying how the cozy/comfortable theme is seeping into absolutely everything. Always be nice, 100% of the time, and never meme ever otherwise someone's fee-fees might be hurt. Conflict is the bread and butter of humanity. It's what makes things interesting, and conflict is what pushes us to advance. People like counter hamper society with their bullshit, even if he really means it deep down.
No it doesn't, species that thrive in the world are the ones that cooperate, like us, social animals, the whole conflict breds innovation is a pop culture say, but scientifically inacurate, the reason we took over the planet and have fancy stuff it is always directly linked to cooperative actions. The edgy social darwinism stuff is just social astrology.
@@feelthepony this is 100% wrong. War is one of the best innovators ever, all of our modern technology has come from military research. Conflict has been proven time and again to bring out the best and worst in humanity. Humans are the most warlike species and we reign supreme.
The Bob7 comparison is entirely nuts! He was a serial liar who did horrible shit, and there’s only so many ways to get evidence, and Destiny went about it very carefully while doing his due diligence. Even bringing it up is poisoning the well super hard. But other then that, he seems like a cool dude, and I think he’s just taking up the wrong flag for Book.
I get the feeling this dude use's bigger words on purpose to make his arguments sound better. Like to the point he doesn't talk like a human sometimes. "if you wanna go shoot guns I could facilitate that" like what a weird way to say "we can hang out".
DGG favorite conservative ex-cop CounterPoints comes on to defend BookSmarts
Destiny Confronts His Friend, Bridge Catches Fire... ►ruclips.net/video/9ZRwDM-qcPc/видео.html
"The view points we espouse will have real world..." Let me stop you right there...
Police dude, you're a fucking talking head people put on the background while they are playing roblox lol
I liked the part where you started yelling at Connor because you died to Malenia's flower pillar.
28:25
Dynasty did you know coach red pill....
He's gone missing in eastern Ukraine....
Feared murdered.....
Gonzalo lira.....
He’s had 3-4 debates or videos in one boss fight because he streamed for 15-16 hours and died 840+ times in one area he’s dedicated thats for sure
There's no way we aren't still in the methstiny arc with this performance.
@@Daniel-qc7be Methstiny wouldve hit NG+4 by now
He could be playing a 90 second clip of gameplay on a loop and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
At least he's not just opening and closing a menu for 6 hours or staring at the single animated frame known as "Darkest Dungeon"
Adhd baby
Not by choice. I think hes just ready to be done with ER, but its too late to walk away
Destiny: “Hey man what’s up?”
Guest: “Hey not much u?”
Chat: “Who the fuck is this piece of shit?”
Twitch chat collectively has under room temperature IQ so you can't expect much from them.
@@TheCrayzeeMan I think right now theyd probably reply to you with the giga Chad smile emoji LMAO
@@TheCrayzeeMan I seriously hate twitch so fucking much
That right people we want that league life back over this. (Gez chat will shit on anything)
@@TheButterAnvil twitch personalities make me unreasonably angry
The God damn dying in a video game debate tactic is so fucking dirty. Destiny has truely hit a new low!
is that what pushed you over the hedge?
@@joakimpadellaro7813 it pushed me over the edge
@@Nedak2003 i'm definitely edging over it
He's virtue signaling men can be bad at video games too.
Can't believe Destiny hates cops now... he's really gone way too far left.
We love our cops, our law enforcement
We love our military, they're important
@@esotericoutcast641 We love our jews, and their foreskin
Please say sike
@@esotericoutcast641 , you know there are malignant bastards in law-enforcement and military functions too, right?
In fact they are overrepresented in law-enforcement, especially in places with lacking transparency... No problem to you?
Obamna
Fuck, Counterpoints isn't a bad guy, but I fucking cringe whenever people unironically try to do the heart-to-heart shit with Destiny. I've had people in my personal life try to do that too, and it's really fucking cringe and unwarranted.
Mannn my girl does this in good fait, she's very empathetic, but sometimes it's during moments where I don't care about if anyone in general is in agreement with my "feelings" and I'm not discussing a matter related to feelings, just purely about me giving an observation or noticing a habit that I dislike etc etc and pointing it out to reduce it's occurrence. It's almost like being told "I hear you and I feel for what you are saying" when you're just trying to get someone to agree that i.e. cancelling plans often is annoying and that they need to work on reducing the habit lol
@@DabroodThompson
B.I.G
T.R.U.E
Have you considered that you need to increase your emotional intelligence?
@@tb8654 you need to work on your EQ
@@SDY274 Ironically enough this post shows a lack of emotional intelligence. Not every conversation needs to be an exhausting heart to heart. It requires you to read a room and know when it's appropriate.
Destiny dying and trying to maintain his cool during debates is the funniest thing
You could see Destiny slowly dying in the beginning at how much good faith was afforded to Booksmarts to construct a reality where the shitty things he did could be excused. Especially when Destiny is at the other end of that spectrum of people interpreting his takes in the most uncharitable ways.
I'd lose any interest dealing with those people facing such an incongruence.
He'd probably be given good faith by counterpoints anyway. I think counterpoints just generally likes good faith which is nice but I think even with the best faith interpretation illustrated booksmarts still looks bad.
To be good faith that he was not malicious you could argue that book is socially illiterate and inconsiderate
IDK how Books handles a sensitive situation like this so poorly with his “optics guy” credibility intact. That convo was like watching a wax statue of him melt over the course of an hour.
He has mental problems and is projecting into Destiny, he wants to control destiny because of something going on with him
He didn't make his name Streetsmarts, so people don't expect him to actually be able to do the things he talks about
He was being so clinically dishonest and stupid lol, it was very annoying
I called it from the get go and I've got receipts
As a watcher of both, destiny suffers from this mind reading "I don't believe you think that" syndrome I've never appreciated.
His intuition makes sense and 8/10 steven is dead right, but in cases like that convo it is infuriating to deal with when ik booksmarts is not thinking the way destiny thinks he's thinking.
god that abortion thing was insane. They agreed well before hand that if she got pregnant, she would get an abortion. Both parties agreed with that, but when it actually she actually got pregnant she was having second thoughts. How could anyone entrust a person like that with a decision that monumental? That dude was 100% correct in never speaking with her again.
The thing is, they continued dating for 3 years after that, they didn't even seperate. She posted that video right after she broke up with him, 3 years after the incident.
Well, he should have the legal right to do so if they’d made a “deal” of sorts.
Financial abortion I think people call it.
That’s got to be a weird spot, when did this happen?
@Ian Novak what a salient and well thought out criticism you've levied here
@Ian Novak damn youre the first one to recognize its a bleach character but not know who he is.
Its Zangetsu, but i wont tell you the real name revealed in the manga incase youre interested in watching the upcoming rerelease of the show.
@@boopdeeb9444 oh yeah i forgot about that bit. What a great human being she is.
If booksmarts showed to destiny 1/10th of the charitability that this guy does to booksmarts, whole arc wouldve been avoided.
What's worse, inting league streams or 900+ deaths to Malenia in a 10 vigor Elden Ring run?
league because we would get no content.
I watched at least 100 of his Malenia deaths. After like 3.5 years of consistently watching his content, I have genuinely never once watched him play league for more than 5 minutes at a time.
Honestly I'm pretty sure he's just playing a 90 second clip of Elden Ring on repeat. I don't think he's actually played the game in like a week.
@@cami5173 It's only creepy if you make it creepy.
900 deaths to Melania. At least league streams got fun once in a while when he lost his sanity and started talking about yordle pussy
My dad always said: "If your convictions aren't tested, they aren't true." You can't argue your a good person if you fold like a deck of cards the minute things get difficult. Destiny is 100% correct imho
"How many mature adults have you met?"
"Like, 2."
In regards to almost all of these little disagreements, I think Counterpoints is missing the actual point. When Booksmarts said Destiny's ban was justified, said that he randomly said the n-word, and said that he was manipulating the Bob7 situation as well, the issue isn't that he felt that way, it's that he came out publicly to share these ideas when he either didn't have the entire context, or in the Bob7 example, completely misunderstood the timeline of events. Same with the Sabrina issue. "Do you understand how the hormones of pregnancy might have caused her to change her mind?" It really doesn't matter if she changed her mind. Gus and Sabrina had a personal issue between the two of them and emotions were high. The problem is she came out to slam Gus publicly for such a personal issue.
Counterpoints repeating if Steven "could see where he was coming from" misses the point of Steven's criticisms.
Agreed, & when BookSmart came out publicly & described the incident in the restaurant, he did so in a way that was super misleading. Tbh as a Latina I'd prob have been uncomfortable at a table with somebody saying that word also, but I def wouldn't have announced it online later in a way that made the person look far worse. The situation said more about Booksmarts own sensitivity & social ineptitude than about Steve/ Destiny
In general I like this cop guy, so I don't mind him being on the channel. I just think this Booksmarts thing wasn't a good topic to debate
Why didn't booksmarts talk to Destiny about Destiny's "behavior" in Twitch before hand if he actually cared about such things lmao.
Because that would mean he actually cares instead of only caring enough to milk Destiny for content. :)
His worst take was defending the Sabrina person.
@@ronswanson1410 but lefties hate babies anyways
Who?
Yeah he’s being unreasonably empathetic to someone doing an awful thing, seems to happen a lot to dudes whenever they talk about a woman doing something bad tbh
This is just a thing I've noticed: Most cops will defend what they see as valid authority very fanatically. This is a positive (personality)trait when it comes to their duties. Though they often don't realize it when they lack the expertise necessary to judge the validity of certain authority.
@@gotworc they've actually made a really good point, it's not their fault if you can't understand it.
Destiny lost this debate at every turn. He was forced to make concession after concession. Seems Jake Justice knows where the valid authority lies.
@@GreyKnight7777 were we watching the same conversation?
@@GreyKnight7777 hmm, Are you sure we watched the same video. Yeah some things he said he could understand but, most things he stuck to.
@@MZ.Gemini4.0 25:27 it's a wrap
This abortion argument is ridiculous. I didn't turn into a mumbling mombie when I found out I was pregnant and it didn't impact the mutual agreement I made beforehand with my partner. It fucking sucks to get pregnant when you didn't intend to, but it doesn't give you an excuse to go back on agreements you've made which would impact your life and another's in such a massive way.
It’s cool seeing Destiny finally see these people for who they really are. They aren’t interested in any of the ideas they spout. Its clout feeding all the way down. Even though Destiny’s appeal is that he speaks to anyone, it’s also the thing that feeds and creates this cluster or cringe, desperate, pseudo intellectuals that will do or say anything to be able to sit in a chair for a living.
Exactly, they are all pining for the Hasan life, Booksmarts doesn't have 'it' but instead of getting a job he's running around in Mexico desperate to make it so he doesn't have to work outside of the streaming chair, all of these guys want that life and hell it looks great, but most can't
It's sounding more and more that Book never really liked Destiny that much, Destiny was just the only person who would treat him in good faith, launching Book's meager Twitch career basically single handedly. It's pretty fucked up to then not reevaluate who you like and why after that, but then that's kind of been the story of Destiny's career, hasn't it? And what's crazy is I don't expect Destiny to change. Every time he builds the bridge completely by himself, because the other person simply isn't in a position to build a bridge with a larger streamer, and every time if the bridge needs burning he won't hesitate to throw the torch.
Even the Cop guy is here for clout too, invited Steve to shoot guns live, on twitch tv!, it cant be just normal hangout, noooo it has to be CONTENT
@@Sushi_bar This cop guy has always been cringe. There's like 200 of us in a discord dedicated to laughing at this guy
@@phillipfragrance16 that makes you guys cringe as well.
Thank you for pumping out quality content at such a consistent rate.
Pretty low bar for "quality" these days.
@@lances6602 ‘quality’ means anything but league
Tru
Plot twist: When Connor says he gets a sober check from his wife to make sure he's not crazy, what he means by 'wife' is his imaginary friend that speaks to him... How crazy would that be?
All I could think when Counterpoints was talking about knowing everything about a person before having sex with them was that he plays the sims too much.
minimizing counterpoints to "ex-cop" is misandry
Well most people don't know who counterpoints is and won't care. And topics about police seen somewhat contentious.
These orbiters injecting themselves into Destiny's life and then dictating how he acts is some fucking gall
It’s absolutely RAAAAGGGEEEE inducing!
Asshole receives pushback from greater society: Part 762
*No person has the right to not have their feelings hurt!*
You don't have the right or Oh! You don't have the right.
Except me
Let's try to argue for a goddamn hour that obvious isn't obvious.
I have to say, Destiny, with a straight face, saying that he only considers 2 people in his entire life who would be mature and rational enough to meet the standard he set in this convo says a lot lmao
The shotting stream sounds like it'd be pretty fun, IRL content is always fun.
Nooooo
You can't just record yourselves using firearms recreationally
you should tell him "your feelings" is the thing the stalker use to defend herself and you cant reject the bc she will lose her mind
Destiny reminds me of my brother, somewhat. Guarded, very quick to make extreme judgements, but smart enough to tell you why. This all-or-nothing approach lacks nuance and as a "people person", you have to give most people that charitable benefit of the doubt. Most people don't consider themselves what we judge them to be based off a few interactions that went wrong. It's usually just a breakdown of effective communication.
I think Destiny understands all of this, but doesn't like to "show his work", if you will. Smart dude. Funny dude. Hope he gets unbanned, I feel it was unfair.
I love how every few months an obscure term that I never heard in this space before will all of a sudden begin appearing in every conversation. This month’s term is “tautology.”
You have no right to do something you ASSume will benefit others. Your rights are limited to you and those who give you permission in advance to speak and act for them.
no
You assumed this comment would benefit me and I want to fite you for it.
Man when is Destiny gonna make banger videos again, like his CS:GO - “Allahu Akbar” video?
As a female, I can confirm what this cop is saying about our brains sometimes becoming hormonal mush. & I'm someone who's achieved a lot in the corporate world. I literally have to not make decisions on certain days. Males have a 24hr hormone cycle, while for females it's around 28 days, & the fluctuations are far, far more significant & complex. So, respectfully, it's impossible for Steve to really understand. Personally, I'm pro choice (up until viability, basically, the same caselaw as Roe v Wade & Casey v Planned Parenthood), but for myself, I'm not sure I could end my own preg. There's a very easy solution for that though, bc we now have >20 ways to prevent preg
Based!
Yeah destiny was definitely in the wrong about this. I don’t understand how as a man he thinks he can honestly know that experience and how it can change your mind state. Not just pregnancies either, periods too.
What. Never been pregnant but do have pms every month (albeit not bad). However, i can feel very emotional and still be able to differentiate between my emotions and objective reality. Destiny is 100% correct. If you agreed to get an abortion you get an abortion. End of discussion. Sure, your hormones might be raging but you can still remember the agreement you made and choose to stick to it.
You shouldn’t be allowed to make any unilateral decisions then if you can’t be trusted to operate with a modicum of rationale
Well that was a thorough waste of everyone's time. I love how Counterpoints basically came in to just offer the possibility of maybe somehow there was someone with the right attributes considering something incorrectly, and was too limpwristed to just talk about Booksmarts directly.
Granted im only half way in but he's already directly addressed Booksmarts shortcomings multiple times
I'm confused by this waste of time thing.... I literally fast forward through League and Elden Ring quiet time to get to these conversations. Do you only watch edited youtube videos? If you watch livestreams this comment seems like you have a lot more to say and are just hiding your ill will toward him.
Waste of time? Really? What do you think we're all doing here? :D
This semantic shell game is honestly just tiring. Yeah, booksmarts may have a reasonable point of view on this topic but instead of discussing that right now, we're here discussing how disingenuous his framing was. Nobody is saying that this post hoc reframe of what he said is bad, literally nobody disagrees with the added context but we're not talking about that, we're talking about how careless he is with the way he presents his arguments at times. For someone who stakes his whole personality on rhetoric and OpTiCs, he sure seems to have optically bad rhetoric sometimes lol
It’s not even semantics at a certain point it’s about how the pedantry is dishonestly represented. It’s about how a reasonable audience would reasonably interpret booksmarts comments. He’s hiding behind semantics to deny how his comments would be reasonably interpreted in a negative light.
@@OpiatesAndTits oh I totally agree. It gets even weirder when you consider that booksmarts himself already agreed that it was really bad framing and gave people the wrong impression and destiny already said that the further clarification was reasonable. I don't even get why this conversation happened because if booksmarts started arguing what counterpoints was arguing here, it would be a walk back of a walk back. This whole discussion was already had and concluded lol
Everybody's feelings aren't valid. If they were we wouldn't delineate between the emotional response of something like a spouse that has good a reason to believe or be suspicious of cheating as opposed to someone being pathologically insecure and controlling.
The entire field of psychology and psychiatry is predicated on recognizing and addressing what could be considered "invalid emotional responses" by comparing and contrasting people's mental states relative to a expectation of normalcy.
The "don't invalidate my feelings" memery is a bastardized caricature of the clinical best practice of not directly confronting patients on their irrational or compromised patterns of thought/emotional responses because you can never be too careful when you don't know how they'll respond.
Good counseling is predicated on the cooperative state of the patient. It doesn't follow that just because you shouldn't be shouting "your feelings are invalid" in the face of mentally compromised people that it's therefore true that feelings aren't ever invalid.
if you're having strong emotional responses caused by delirium, empirical mistakes and misdeductions, and so forth - of course they're invalid.
Whether you choose to use that word to describe it or not is irrelevant - if you're response to such emotional reactions are "It would be better if I/we/you/they didn't respond that way", that implies invalidity by necessity.
This is what it means for something to be invalid.
Stop spreading this cancer.
I think that's a pretty reasonable take. Don't have sex with someone if you aren't willing to have kids with them.
Destiny is right about the"productive conversations" its tiresome hearing ppl say 100 words when 5 could have pushed the same point.
True but false. Destiny and every other twitch debater yell over each other in almost every debate. It's constant. Half of these debates are a waste of time full of nothing but people yelling and no one listening. If they wanted productive conversations, debate mods would actively mute people from interruption OR, make it so one person has the 'mic' at a time.
Me when my wife’s boyfriend says I can’t play video games past 9pm. 28:27
Shout out to Booksmarts for setting his and Destiny’s Bridge slightly ablaze to appease the content gods.
I'd say Destiny has decidedly put him in the "rat fake clout goblin" pile but I doubt he'd stop talking to him, I know I would if my friend was off somewhere preaching how I need to be punished without me present
@@keithfilibeck2390 Not at all and I think viewers like you are pretty toxic tbh. We don't understand the nuances of Destiny's relationships based on what we see live and furthermore this "CUT HIM OFF" "BURN IT" fan-take from Twitch and YT viewers is just like a fucking Raiders fan who wants to stab someone for being a Steelers fan because they made one little take, one little neg against our favorite streamer.
Destiny sees Booksmarts as having done a stupid thing. This idea that he's evil is fucking neanderthal shit.
Destiny is in the wrong space. Twitch politics is absolutely worthless, almost all of online politics is disconnected from reality. There's infinitely better info out there
The "right place" is yelling at people on the internet for my entertainment. Who cares what website he uses?
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor by twitch I guess I just mean the livestreaming space hes been in for years. There's other networks of people that are infinitely more knowledgeable and genuine where he'd better fit in. Most of these political streamers are psychotic with zero real world experience
@@QuixEnd Yeah, I don't care who he's yelling at or where he has to go to find them as long as I get to watch a shouting match.
Ironic how the rhetoric guy who focuses on real-life effectiveness has to keep hiding behind the most asocial, robotic interpretations of everything he says.
Please don't shoot my family Counterpoints.
Great take about how people tend to excuse away being a spineless little troglodyte.
I really hope counterpoints doesnt turn into booksmarts 2.0 with the thinly veiled trying to be nuanced, which just means hold destiny to a way higher standard than everyone else.
Their desire to control him is weird
Is this the new "sam harris is always misunderstood"?
@@RandroidPrime I'm unfamiliar with that
I don't think so the guy is obviously a big fan and having a lot of fun
@@jirta1439 He keeps asking destiny if he can understand a different perspective and destiny says yes and that's it. Over and over again. Painful.
"Don't you want a lame, boring friend to ruin your night by preventing cool stuff from happening? Wouldn't that be nice?"
....
"I only hang out with you to get my real friends out of speeding tickets."
the ultimate moral outcome is booksmarts going away and not coming back.
That boy needs to work manual labor for a year or two. Get on a work crew shingling roofs or something, swing a hammer every day for a while.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor AMEN!
I except Destiny to keep fighting this boss even on his death bed
I find it amusing that this guy was on a panel which was spreading lies about Destiny and didn’t do enough to defend him, but someone like me, who agrees with Destiny less, who wouldn’t suck up to him (like this guy is), and even hated him at one point, would’ve got angry on that panel with their lies and would have aggressively defended Destiny.
If there’s one thing you can take from Metokur, it’s don’t have online friends. Most of them are snakes in the grass.
He may not have even known enough to confidently defend Destiny on whatever lies were being spread.
Apparently he didn't know Destiny didn't make a 41% joke. Destiny himself didn't even know when he was watching the panel stream.
@@TheRedHaze3 I’d have told them evidence or nobody wants to hear it. I’d have kept hounding the moderator to eject anyone making claims about Destiny without evidence. He didn’t do enough in my eyes. There was a lady on the panel who kept asking for evidence for claims. He didn’t do the same.
Is this gonna be Melania packing Steve up the whole vid ?
Always has been
I had no clue CoutnerPoints was brain dumb also. Booksmarts making everyone dumber these days.
I really dont think Books is clout farming thats my biggest gripe with this and Destiny perpetuates it as well. He could do way more if he really wanted to just farm clout. He said some stupid things but I hate how crucified he gets. And i guarantee you every person in this audience has said something worse.
Agreed it was just some dumb unnecessary take Booksmarts had that he couldn’t admit was wrong. Really not that big of a deal. Destiny does the same shit. Remember when he tried driving drunk after groping Hasan but only didn’t because Andy Milonakis stopped him? And then he argued with and banned everyone that mentioned it? When has Destiny ever admitted he was wrong in the moment? He only ever admits he’s wrong long after the fact after reflection. Him and every other human being that has ever existed
Same. I'm a bit mixed on this. I can understand why D is frustrated because the things that Book said(nword, manipulator, etc.) sound really bad and him being the rhetoric guy should mean that he should know better. On the other hand: if he would be clout farming I don't really know from where because a large part of his audience is Destiny's audience and streamers like vaush and DM dislike him for disagreeing with them.
@@chocolatMouse Yeah i mean call it stupid by all means but dont try to make it worse than it is. Its literally just a dumb unecessary comment.
Isn't booksmarts the dude who helps people cheat on college exams for $. Can't take a person like that seriously.
Destiny claims to not want an echo chamber but quickly burns the bridge with any of his friends who dare to criticise any of his behaviour. This kinda behaviour just breeds sycophants
How does destiny have these conversations while fighting the goddess of rot? I literally had to mute everyone in discord, turn out all the lights, and max out my eldin ring volume.
Booksmarts more like bookdumbs. Gottem.
BookSmarts’ laugh is indefensible.
I feel like "Ex-Cop" is not a very useful description for this video.
Given Destiny's recent ban and getting backstabbed by "friends" that he has helped by platforming, he is currently hyper sensitive about criticism his actual friends might have about him. Therefore, any criticism or comments made by friends will be looked at thru a suspicious lens and will likely not get the benefit of the doubt. The "who hurt you" meme is alive and well here.
@@ExsoLam criticism can be bad but the motive for it may not be. Destiny uncharitably ascribing a bad motive can be influenced by the things I detailed.
Who backstabbed him recently?
Being compared to a manipulator isn’t criticism, it’s called an uncharitable detraction that only becomes charitable with evidence and context, in which Booksmarts knew said context, and that it wouldn’t Destiny comparable to Bob7 and still said it.
Secondly, if Booksmarts was coming from the position of a “concerned friend”, then he could’ve very easily approached Destiny privately based on the many other times that his so-called “behavior” got him into trouble
The first few seconds of the intro were fucking golden lmfao
I don't really think Book's idea of good and productive conversations has to do with whether or not you are nice, I think it has to do with whether or not your attitude ends up leading to a less engaged conversation. If you come off as dismissive and the other person disengages because of it he tends to disapprove of that approach.
I am just so confused as to why this retired cop is all caught up on the lore of a political streamers orbiter drama??? I'm in electrical engineering and I barely have time to watch 30 minutes of this shit jesus
He’s been a content creator for awhile now. Probably just put retired cop in the title to get more clicks.
He's a part time political/debate streamer. I'm pretty sure the "Ex-Cop" bit was just to get a better boost from The Algorithm.
Any idea why destiny hasn't uploaded a new video in a week? Really curious to see if he finally beats the boss
I like Counterpoints, he's pretty reasonable in panels
this guy loves taking contrary positions :)
Who?
Should've swapped names with Contrapoints
Destiny?
I don't get why so many people perpetuate this idea of Destiny being super unkind and thriving off 'bloodsports.' The only time I've seen him being legitimately 'mean' is whenever someone goes out of their way to be a douchebag to him first, and even then his 'meanness' is always delivered behind a pointed argument engaging with the other person's ideas. It's like people think its 'unkind' or 'bloodsports' to just directly address the disagreements you have with someone- no matter how intellectually honest you are about it- without first pointlessly showering each other in fake af "friendliness" like you're trying to make an elevator ride with someone you hate feel a little less awkward.
People like this always think a productive conversation means everyone agrees with them at the end.
I've watched more destiny in the past 3 weeks.. then I have all year.
Rape is an act of violence, not of sex. Horny sexually that becomes rape is the point that violence begins, not at the first kiss in regards to date rape.
Rape otherwise has nothing to do with sex. It is to harm not to have sex.
"It is to harm not to have sex" needs a comma.
Bruh it’s sexual violence. Harm and sex aren’t mutually exclusive.
@@AntiTheBird Sure, but the violence part is what makes it a bad thing.
@@AntiTheBird Violence = human rights being violated. Harm can occur without violating your human rights. You bruised me but I told you to. Harm without. This way rape and pretend rape are not conflated when you use the word violent. Consent is not a violation of anything.
@@googletaqiyya184
Sex:
(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse
If you notice, the definition of sex does not exclude violence nor require consent. Rape is sex, non consentual sex specifically, but sex none the less
talking about why destiny not caring about him caring about destiny’s feelings is meta
The whole part of 'I havent enjoyed Destiny's content the past few years' really is disgusting to me on so many levels. Assuming BS ever engages with anyone about his actual beliefs:
- We are talking about an opinion presumably developed over YEARS of time. You simply can't remember that wrong, but BS is standing firm that he never felt that way until VIDEO EVIDENCE is proving him wrong about HIS OWN BELIEFS. When PROVEN WRONG, he IMMIDIANTLY gives up and asks FORGIVENESS. That just isn't how anything works.
- He walks it back though, an opinion that's COMPLETELY FINE. It's FINE not to like Destiny's content, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's pure preferences, and he doesn't have to defend that. But he walks it back anyway. I would NEVER walk back ANY of my tastes, especially not in entertainment.
It's just disgusting to me this level of dishonesty, and the begging for forgiveness instead of offering clarification is just nauseating cherry on top. The constant lying to the point where BS can't even remember or keep track of them anymore. And it's about completely inconspicuous subjects, he didn't need to do ANY of this to begin with.
He was also clearly trolling Has if you watch the vod. Right after he says 2 years he asks Hans what are some videos Destiny has made in the last 2 months, so thats probably what he really meant.
@@dylankempthorne Why walk it back and ask forgiveness then? I've also already stated that I find no issue with him not liking someone's content, I literally couldn't care less. It's the needless lying about it that disgusts me.
@@roberteriksen6434 He walked back the part where he said it was 2 years. I dont remember him saying the 2 months was a lie too or at least not fully. It was mainly hyperboly.
@@dylankempthorne Then we are right back at step 1 aren't we ;) ? The lying part?
@@roberteriksen6434 no we arent. He said he was in the wrong. You seem to not understand hyperboly which is ironic.
Ahhh don't say Simon says
Brrrrrrrrr
Professional talkers talking about nonesense.
What are Politicians.
@@toecutter303 ask wikipedia dude.
@@cami5173 fuck yeah dude
@@GKJusticar55 el
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@@dpax2195 GIGACHAD
I say nothing in private I would not say in public regarding things not personal or have promised not to reveal. Stop lying and live free to give a good example for others and to feel much better.
@@novinnovations4026 Not not. Lazy leftists use vagueness to hide the fact they are insecure with their assertions. Like screaming Wrong and running away.
Does that fact that the opponent is an Ex-Cop factor in at all or is that just so we're predisposed to dislike/distrust him?
I'm pretty sure that's just to snag the algorithm. I think "Ex-Cop jumps on stream" gets more traction than "Counterpoints jumps on stream" or whatever.
@@jeffwells641 it's just a convenience that it does both a guess?
There's a million way to clickbait a title without that info
28:25 - I always amazes me how serious convos have moments like these and people usually don't call it out until now lol. "Did a cat scratch your balls?"
Not gonna lie the beginning of this made me laugh way too hard 😂
The Gus Johnson thing was about a lot more than just the girl changing her mind about an abortion though right? I thought that was just one minor part of the story but ultimately she decided to still have an abortion, so that wasnt even the problem. The main part of the video was that Gus was supposedly really shitty/emotionally abusive to her while she was going through an ectopic pregnancy. I can get behind leaving and not trusting someone if they go back on their word over something so life-changing, but it seems strange to boil the entire video down to that and say that she was reaching for clout.
Hey did you hear what Counterpoints said about what Booksmarts said about Destiny? Or what WickedSupreme said about what Booksmarts said about Destiny?
It's like a human centipede of drama
Please, for the love of all that is good, let's all agree to never mention that movie again.
Dude counterpoints looks exactly the same as noncompete. Every time I see his face I think it's noncompete
I honestly wish people would stop calling debates "blood sports". It's so stupid.
Melenia is totally inspired from sephiroth. What a crazy fight
Sepiroth is my all-time favorite villain, if I made this game I would be honored by the comparison.
@@sheeplehunter9651 same, I also love the back story, without spoiling it's super dark
C: "what if I told you your feelings matter"
D: "I don't care"
C: "Wow kinda rude dude"
Lol stfu this isn't a conversation about feelings, this is a conversation about ideas.
Why are you talking like if feelings are not an important part of human mental health?...
@@JustCallMeCeles wtf what does mental health have to do with this video?
Fuck Counter Points annoys me. This is going to be PAINFUL.
counterpoints is a good faith version of book smarts. He is way too charitable to people who have shown their lack of good faith.
It's really annoying how the cozy/comfortable theme is seeping into absolutely everything. Always be nice, 100% of the time, and never meme ever otherwise someone's fee-fees might be hurt.
Conflict is the bread and butter of humanity. It's what makes things interesting, and conflict is what pushes us to advance.
People like counter hamper society with their bullshit, even if he really means it deep down.
They say "war never changes" and yet war is the leading driver of change throughout History.
No it doesn't, species that thrive in the world are the ones that cooperate, like us, social animals, the whole conflict breds innovation is a pop culture say, but scientifically inacurate, the reason we took over the planet and have fancy stuff it is always directly linked to cooperative actions.
The edgy social darwinism stuff is just social astrology.
@@feelthepony Only cooperative species - like us - are capable of war, and war precipitates great change.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor you stick to your astrology man.
@@feelthepony this is 100% wrong. War is one of the best innovators ever, all of our modern technology has come from military research. Conflict has been proven time and again to bring out the best and worst in humanity. Humans are the most warlike species and we reign supreme.
The Bob7 comparison is entirely nuts! He was a serial liar who did horrible shit, and there’s only so many ways to get evidence, and Destiny went about it very carefully while doing his due diligence. Even bringing it up is poisoning the well super hard.
But other then that, he seems like a cool dude, and I think he’s just taking up the wrong flag for Book.
I hate when my dads yell at eachother
I hate how him being so rational for 30 minutes was just to Trojan horse in anti abortion rhetoric.
I was pro police but thanks to counterpoints now I'm full ACAB
This was a bizarre discussion
Kinda dumb when people get upset about the n word but can listen to a song and they say the n word like 45 times
The CNC section was incredibly disingenuous.
That cop guy sounds like he had alot of emotional trauma
Would you say…..facts don’t care about your feelings?
Destiny DESTROYS multiple COPS
25:00 oh what a bad example and take. Totally agree with Destiny. Of course you shouldn’t comment and accuse without knowing wtf is going on.
Is it ok that I am just in like with Destiny? Asking for someone else’s feelings
Destiny is my favorite drama channel
Does anyone know what paper destiny is talking about at 19:05 ? I would love to read it
I get the feeling this dude use's bigger words on purpose to make his arguments sound better. Like to the point he doesn't talk like a human sometimes. "if you wanna go shoot guns I could facilitate that" like what a weird way to say "we can hang out".