he's not even watching the one we're watching. korea banned any controversial or s***ual scenes and any material in their country and every show, movie, book goes through extreme revision in the country. the rating for MIA is 15+ which means kids can watch it, but to take care of the bloody scenes from the fights. soobin hasn't even seen the entire uncut show and he's still not recommending it to people based on how scary the fights are in the show.
My one idol friend has told me that on fan service apps/live streams where they interact with fans, they’re not allowed to talk about their favorite anime and it was wild to me lol. He specifically said he wasn’t allowed to let fans know his favorite anime is One Piece 💀
if he let his fans knows his favourite anime is One Piece, One piece will become a problematic anime because it involves female characters with unrealistic body proportions.. P.S. i'm being sarcastic btw..
The worst part is that Soobin and Mingi both said they wouldn’t recommend it to their fans because of the dark themes, and people straight up lied about it? They said they are pushing and recommending it on their fans (Edit: it turns out, Woozi didn’t recommend it either, and taeyong had the censored version. This is exactly the reason I waited for awhile to form an opinion 😭 Things are often not as they seem at first.)
Woozi didn’t recommended as well. He was asked about the recommendations but in the end he just listed some anime’s that he started but haven’t ended bc their tour.
As a 26 year old kpop stan, I think its fair to assume that most of the kpop stans trying to cancel these idols are either minors and/ or have never watched a single anime in their lives AND dont know how to differentiate fiction from reality because my time line was a hell hole for a whole 24 hours
Not just anime, sadly, because it started crossing into (like shown here, and what I saw through the meltdown that day) - any form of fiction (live action, book, manga, anime - etc) that had that sort of stuff. Majority of whom I saw (both in KPOP twt and anitwt) were all around the ages of young teens (as in just allowed to use twt unless they're younger than that) to young adults (low to mid 20s at most). I was so glad that on my actual TL either people didn't know anything about it or were pissed that people couldn't separate fiction/reality (as you said).
They may be of age but they're mentally not stable, obsessive, irrational and most of all delusional. Though I'd like to think that most of them are still minors, teens or veeery young adults because if any of them are over 25 I have no hope for humanity, again...
trust me most of these people trying to cancel were just basically misandrists waiting for something more reasonable to hate men, they're girl group stans, ofc not all of them hate men but a good part of them does and they really awful things, even troll accounts took advantage of these situations, i think someone even might have got doxxed because they said they shouldn't be called pedos, it's really crazy, but the scandal started from korean fans of txt soobin who found something more reasonable to criticize him rather than for his recent scandal (doing the middle finger with his toes to another idol, on a private live that got leaked, also not recent) and then it got here
Same, it's these "controversies" is just so out of context dumb. But hey, it just made me wanna watch the made in abyss more because of how "provocative" they say
I feel like it's always the most extreme and deluded fans who are the loudest. Or maybe I just like to believe the majority realize it's none of their damn business and not a sign of depravity when guys in their 20s watch movies or anime that include more adult themes or scenes. It's confusing to me, would these same people get upset over idols watching action movies, which usually include violence and sex? Is MIA that out there?
Trust as a kpop Stan this "controversy" was a joke and deep embarrassment within our community as well. Many kpop stans are anime fans as well, and many of us are adults.
@@somename86 then you haven't seen much kpop. there's music for all ages it's not just geared for teenagers. so yes there are a lot of adults as half of the idols ARE adults.
@@somename86you would be surprised tbh. Of cause you have your teenage demographic, but KPOP also finds a ringing by people in their twenties and even older. And being at 18+ kpop parties, looking at the people I meet @ concerts or interact with as often the youngest of the group (I’m 25) … kpop has a big adult audience. It’s a hella expensive hobby to have and you would drop dead knowing how much people are willing to spend. So it’s more likely to have fans with a stabile income what is something that most of us gain in their 20’s.
It’s insane that people needed to find a “good” reason to hate soobin bc he stuck up his middle toe💀 then they brought woozi, mingi, and taeyong into the situation when none of them did anything wrong. It’s gross that so many ppl immediately assume the allegations were true and didn’t even attempt to look into them.
It's beyond dumb but crazy people are always the loudest... It's very important to counter such people. People watch things like Spartacus: Blood and Sand or even Wrong Turn, Human Centipede but it's OK because only drawing are so evil that people have to be canceled... I personally dislike all of this stuff but I have many friends who watch gore stuff etc. and I learned to appreciate this stuff to some degree because in many ways it's like a sign of freedom and detector of bad actors and authoritarians (often mentally unstable people and some horrible dogmatic ideologies). So many people who like to hate anime at the same time will defend Cuties and other similar thing that involves real people - it's pure insanity... I'm older guy and I started watching anime few years ago just to escape from authoritarian propagandist cancelling insanity I saw everywhere...
Mostly stems from fandom wars. I assure you that all Soobin fans think him liking MIA is fine. There are other groups fandoms that are trying to cancel him and the other boys so that their fave can rise to the top.@@HenryNwanegbo
As someone who started as a huge anime fan then moved to be a kpop stan I'm glad I'm not the only one who found this "scandal" to be absolutely dumb, some kpop fans need open their eyes and realize that watching an anime is no reason to cancel someone
Im in both kpoptwt and anitwt and I can give u a reason why I think this ridiculous arguement has blown out like this. Stan twt is a shit hole where people will do anything to find dirt to expose idols they hate. I am telling you this is absolutely zero about morals and 100% having something so they can cancel an idol and justify sending them hate. Usually cancelling an idol would involve actual crimes in korea like drugs or sex trafficking. Nowdays they just grab something with the slightest bit of gray moral and exaggerated in a way that's damning for the idol. This extreme moral policing and holier-than-thou attitute kpop stans have is not about actually believeing it's wrong but just to justify hate.
Exactly, they are just trying to "cancel them" or to ruin their images, like they do every single time they bring out rumors. It really sucks and it's so annoying
That's true, that's why I left kpop twt. There are also a lot of wholesome fans tho. In my case, shawols and carats were just two of the most peaceful and wholesome ones. It took a member of a group I loved leaving the group because of some fake accusations by toxic fans for me to stop using kpop twt. It was so toxic. It was painful to see the same fans of the group abandoning him. The same fans put him down, never believing him. For us who supported him and only wanted the truth, we were the "toxic" ones. They believed some random user in the internet spreading lies about him than him. I stopped stanning the group after that cause it really broke me. The fandom until now pisses me off.
Sadly the loudest k-pop fans tend to be the worst, and those who are respectful tend to be overshadowed by them, that's why we have such a terrible reputation. Idols Like Soobin tend to get into situations that get blown out of proportion, things get pulled out of context and they are expected to be perfect and only consume content that is clean. It's sad because none of them said that those scenes were okay they just mentioned the shows and people made assumptions.
I can say that pretty much 99% of nice and respectful kpop stans will not be seen by ppl. Not because there aren't any, but because it is just not worth it to spread positivity in that cesspit of a fandom. I have been in multiple arguments with people whose arguments have been 100% proven wrong by ACTUAL sources such as authorities, and they just disregard it entirely and will still continue hating on the person. It's because the fandom that the public sees are 3 types of people. Obsessive parasocials, minors who clearly don't have a developed brain and people who just hate for fun to get the fire started.
he's not even watching the one we're watching. korea banned any controversial or s***ual scenes and any material in their country and every show, movie, book goes through extreme revision in the country. the rating for MIA is 15+ which means kids can watch it, but to take care of the bloody scenes from the fights. soobin hasn't even seen the entire uncut show and he's still not recommending it to people based on how scary the fights are in the show. this entire thing was done by an anti fan who had to go watch the JAPANESE VERSION and screenshot two photos from there to make their article 'exposing' him. even koreans were shocked by the uncut scenes
The fact that people are calling him a pedophile now and saying they "won't forgive him" because of this stupid thing is so absurd, I feel so bad for Soobin, he only wanted to share something about his interests with his fans (as a TXT fan, we've long known he's an anime enthusiast) and this is what he gets in return... If I were him, I would feel genuinely betrayed
also one of antis' favorite arguments in this is that "the author is a pedophile, so by watching the show, you condone pedophilia" excuse me, I've had MIA on my "to watch" list for a long time and I had NEVER heard anything about the author of the manga before last Monday (when this blew up), how can they know if Soobin was even aware of any controversies surrounding the guy? But hey - any chance to defame a successful rival idol is good I guess! 🙄😠 Vile
@@liathelie8805 What's more interesting: the mangaka of MIA (Akihito Tsukushi) isn't even charged with pedophilia. It's another mangaka (his name is Kenya Suzuki who was charged in 2021). Some dumbo twisted it to malign the mangaka (and probably got the names mixed because they can't read Japanese) and to blow the whole thing out of proportion. Tells you that most people suck at reading comprehension these days.
from what I've observed, a lot of the loud newer/younger kpop fans LOVE to act "holier than thou," ESPECIALLY when it comes to groups they don't like. there's this whole "my faves aren't problematic but yours are" thing going on, and it's continuously gotten worse over the years now that kpop isn't a niche interest. that word, "problematic," is thrown around _a LOT._ this just seems to be an extension of that. somebody didn't like TXT, so they found an interest of one of the members that could be seen as "problematic." somebody didn't like NCT so they found an interest of one of the members that could be seen as "problematic." and so on, and so on. there also seems to be a group of western kpop fans who _really_ want to prove that they themselves are just _so much better_ than the average Korean. like... so much more "woke," but they _think_ they mean the actually good version (i.e. "racism and homophobia are bad"), but they fall into the bad version (i.e. "liking a dark show makes YOU bad") by trying so hard to prove it. they _look_ for reasons to put themselves on a pedestal, so they continuously lower the bar for what is considered "problematic."
oh! I just remembered that I have a recent example of some kpop stans making up issues! there's a recent song by a male artist featuring a female artist that I was watching a lyric video of. there were only three commenters: two praising the song and congratulating the artists on a job well done, and one yelling at the video creator and the other two (both in direct replies and their own comment) to quit shipping the two artists. literally _nobody_ there was shipping them, and I have yet to see _anyone_ ship them. I replied basically telling them to knock it off, wondering if maybe there was one or two since-deleted comments shipping them that had set them off. but, in my youtube notification of their reply, their name was shown as "f*** [group name] and their stupid [fandom name]" and suddenly _it all made sense._ they're just the type of stan to do that sort of thing.
what you say is really interesting for me becuase in China, kpop stans are literally treated as one of the worst group in discussions, they act like they live around corner. maybe because Chinese people had known kpop for the past decades, so we all knew how dumb kpop could be
Yeah, not even just being morally righteous. There's def been a huge change in how kpop stans behave overall. Back when it wasn't as popular like 2nd gen, the fandom kept to themselves. They weren't trying to interact with other non-kpop fandoms or even think of spamming memes or videos of their fav idols. But like now fans will straight up go onto ppl's unrelated tweets or like tragedy posts and be like "should've stanned -KPOP band here-" or even photoshop memes or videos that honestly make the idol look horrible (like I think Loona had something similar. The group did nothing wrong, the fandom just made a meme where they seemed like a member had beef with a western artist idr) and I was like....outsiders are now gonna hate your group now why???? inside the fandom knew it was a meme but outsiders aren't gonna understand because it's obviously not outrageous enough to be like wow that'd never happen if they don't know that it's a kpop idol who has never met a western artist before. I think the change in behavior was really lead by being influenced by unfortunately kind loud but weird older fans while the ones that are more logical and reasonable and not holier than thou with egos or seek out like being a popular fan amongst fans kind of kept to themselves or outgrew being in the kpop fandom and just enjoyed the music. Some kpop fans were always weird but like....the I remember when kpop idols used to visit CA and Disneyland and just got to be normal ppl in foreign countries. But now they can't go anywhere without being stalked and mobbed. We used to be like damn korean saesaeng/stalker fans are crazy and there was no real notable cases of such behaviors internationally in 2nd gen. But now it's like there's sasaengs everywhere.
It's a lot of the younger generation in general that is doing this. You'll see it a lot on twitter and other social media. They'll try and ruin anyone's lives for enjoying any piece of media that has any "problematic" type of content like loli (made in abyss) or incest (game of thrones), regardless of if said content is the main point of the show or game.
I am 28 and have been into K-pop on and off since 2012 and when I see kids doing stuff like this, it is ridiculous and pathetic to me. Most of these guys lack the ability to have a deeper understanding, because their brain hasn't been fully developed yet. When I see the younger generation of K-pop fans are loud and obnoxious, my reaction is mostly: y´all need to sit down! Your brain is fully developed until you are 26. And from what I have observed in the world in general, this is not only a K-pop issue. The younger generation in general is like this. When I see them calling out "problematic" issues, I just can't take it seriously.
Hi, Korean American here. You're correct about the word "fun" being an awkward translation. The original word Soobin uses in that quote is a form of "재미있다" - which can mean "enjoyable" or "interesting." It's not exactly incorrect to translate it to "fun," but it oversimplifies the speaker's original intent based on context.
@@Emgee78No because I’m a multi-Stan and BTS has been my ult-bias group since 2016, and I this is VERY MUCH TRUE. It’s so messed up what’s happening right now in the K-pop world. Like first the Seunghan controversy and now he MIGHT BE KICKED OUT OF HIS GROUP?!? And now people attacking Soonbin, Taeyong, Mingi AND Woozi?!? I’m seriously reconsidering why I’m still into kpop when toxic fans keep ruining everything… and I don’t want to say it… but most of the fans that I see taking down their “idols” have been Korean fans?!? Like you would think that Korean fans would be THE MOST supportive of their idols but they ARE LITERALLY THE MOST TOXIC AND VICIOUS RIGHT NOW?!? Like what is the world coming too. My one source of comfort right now, and the kpop world is turning into even more of a shitshow than it used to be. 🙄
I think one of the main reasons why people kinda overreacted was because there was one massive tweet that was gaining popularity and it basically said, "Soobin/so and so watches a pedo anime, I'm done." followed with a screenshot of a very questionable moment from the anime out of context. I remember for three days straight a whole mess was on the TL, there were people saying he deserved to be drafted, others were fighting for Soobin, then anime fans got in the mix. I understand people's concern when it comes to things like this, but they definitely jumped the gun.
Kpop fandom should have two divisions: 1. normal people, 2. those weirdos on twitter who caused this drama. I don't want to be associated with the second one just cause I listen to the music pls 😭
I agree with you 💯, I am a k pop fan myself. People need to leave these idols alone! Sure some anime/ manga are darker and more twisted than others, but these idols should not be attacked for enjoying something that other people do not enjoy.
Fans vs. Stans. I don’t know why the majority of the kpop fandom refer to them selves as Stans (identity) instead of a fan of something (a like for something /hobby)
@@hollo0o583 in the Kpop fandom the word 'stan' means the same thing as 'fan' unlike in any other case where its meaning describes obsessive fanning. Honestly I'm not interested in getting into it and finding out why is that, I've been in this fandom for 8 years and it's just always been the case. After a quick Google I see some people quoting Eminem's song which supposedly originated this idea but, again, I'm not interested in the term as much since the entire fandom gets what it means
@@hollo0o583 actually in the kpop stans community if you say you're a fan means you're a casual listener, probably enjoy the music or the content from time to time, but the stans are the ppl who know the names of the idols and always watch the content and comebacks, it takes a lot of time and energy (including going to concerts, collecting albums or photocards..etc.) i guess that's why ppl refer themselves as stan because it's slightly a bit more than just a fan. But in that means is not yet being a toxic stan, ppl who are overly and crazyly obsessed with the idols are called sasaengs or just toxic kpop stans ( stans who attack other communities for the slightest things or other fandoms and don't even respect their own favourite idols sometimes). That's how i understood it atleast. But just want to clarify just because we say we are kpop stans doesn't mean we're automatically the type of dumb toxic stan :).
Ya it’s all because of a user named pannchoa who was active on weverse but is now more active on twitter. And now she’s stirring shit up implying the huening siblings are posing inappropriately for photos with each other 🙄
@@magenta_brown5327 pannchoa always have the most off-putting post, accusing a photoshoot of 2 siblings as their deviated incestuous fantasies is such a fucking crazy move
As a kpop stan, this is my first time actually admiring ani fans for being smart but yes kpop community is fucked up i hate that our idols have to go thru these for nothing. Hope they get sued for false accusations
The word "fun" used in the article is a translation from the word "재미있다" which litterally means "fun", but in that context and in the Korean language, it means "enjoyable".
As a kpop fan let me tell you, a good portion of us are confused as to why people are going after idols for basically just watching tv (like we couldn't give less of a fuck wether what they watch is rated PG or not) is a very loud minority the ones criticising the idols.
I agree and have seen it for the past 10 years and I feel bad for the people cause they are human beings just doing their and “fans” are just strangers to them that enjoy their works or art but are so delusional and not normal at all. I hope they are ok cause I was so confused on this “scandal”. I don’t know why people have thick skull on know idol are human being and not something you can control into your beliefs or likings.
@@isoprops3861not really that would be like a SMALL minority. Let me tell you how many idols have been hated for dumb scandals. One of them being dating. Yes you can blame it on the way the industry sells those idols but it just is hella annoying even in some understandable accusations they just jump on a hate train without hearing out the other side, without actually looking into stuff. One of these examples are all the bullying and SA accusations. There are alot of examples here are just some idols I follow : Woojin, Taeyong(the one in this video), Garam, Soojin, Ravn, Lucas, etc... Soojin would be the one who is doing the best right now as this thing came up with TY. Sometimes we are really just tired of them.
As a moa (txt/soobin fan) I am proud to be a part of a fandom that did not jump to conclusions (most of the fans) and defended him (he did nothing wrong though). I just want to let you know that people who started this "controversy" did it purely out of hate and now they look so dumb for doing this.
As a multi Stan and anime fan with most of these idols as my biases. It was really painful to see the switch up but funny to see them talk about things they don't know about so confidently. They just wanted to attack these idols and used anything to achieve that
@@sharinataylor3000 oh the switch up was crazy. They were holding onto that one ss but when someone posted the video of the whole scene they just went silent.
good for you man, i really wish atinys were like that (nctzens were also really chill for what i've seen) the moment the article from pancchoa came out there were people having panic attacks on my tl, saying they were dissapointed and even continued to say that is what they sould've done............ turns out that mingi didn't even say anything abt MIA and the fancaller (who refused to answer people's questions abt it) muted her voice and talked over him when he was just naming shows he watched recently
as a big txt fan this was a mess, people spreading misinformation, jumping to conclusions and throwing horrible accusations, kpop fans will do anything to cancel groups they don't like
Same here txt is my favorite group and I can tell when someone needs to be held accountable. But for this people are reaching SOOOO far for no reason and calling Soobin a pedo and for him to be kicked out of the group. Like what
RIght?? TXT is my favorite group and Made in Abyss is prob my second favorite anime, so like when I first heard he liked it I was like hell yeah! but wow the reactions and just reeeeaching to find something to cancel ppl here is insane
sad day for everyone, means you gotta do background checks on all your actors/actresses, voice actors/actresses, producers, directors, etc, before you can watch or listen to anything else you become "part of the problem" (according to their logic) no wonder they are always on twitter/X or posting discord msgs complaining, they are bored out of their minds!
they pretend to care abt cp but the show isn't even revolved around cp 😭 it's literally kids uncovering mystery and fighting monsters. korea doesn't even have all the scenes they cut full entire parts it's just the monsters, fight scenes, and some adventure in there. not even the traumatic parts!!!!! which add to the complexity of the show.
As someone who loves kpop and anime, it's funny to me that these fans go after anything and calls it problematic but they support minors debuting in a predatory industry. It's wild to me how they see issues everywhere but their own fandom. I will say that the younger fans (as a whole) are becoming more and more puritanical. I really want to see studies and video essays years from now talking about how gen z/alpha swung too far into purity culture. It could just be issues with being chronically online, it could be the holier than thou attitude the younger gens seem to have. Idk but I promise we're all not like this lol I will say its funny that most of them stopped talking once a girl group member was found to also support this show. There is a huge issue with boy group fans vs girl group fans online and I wish it would just stop. It's as stupid as fans vs fans.
That's actually a good point about minor idols. I DO see a lot of people complaining about that (generally speaking), but I doubt the ones that were screaming at THIS situation were the same that would also fall in line with what you said. I also was complaining about the purity-level and the need to cancel in another comment on this video and yeah. I completely agree with you. I think it's sad that because the fandom is SO LARGE, the toxic ones are the loud ones, thus they're the ones that get seen. Doesn't help that they are of the incredibly violent level, too. I have also found a lot of those that fall into that line of thinking are the 13-23 year olds... I did NOT know that about the girl group member, though...
Media literacy is dead. The skills necesary to separate reality from fiction are gone and this generation just can't grasp the concept that fictional stories are a medium to explore human imagination.
And the said people don't understand that imagination's correlation to reality can be so far differentiated that the topics cease even being the same topic altogether. But understanding psychology has always been worryingly low in the first place.
It's truly sad how this is allowed to take place. Basic media literacy shouldn't even be that hard, most people should naturally be able to intuit and work out basic media literacy even if they aren't taught in school, unless I'm just giving the average person way too much credit and intelligence here.
Exactly, and I think it shows a lack of emotional maturity. Consuming darker, fictional media does not make you complicit in what the stories entail. Reminds me of the people who freaked out when Mortal Kombat first came out and tried to say video games cause violence.
Soobin literally spend hours baking cookies for his fans a few days ago and now he is under this. People who started this really don't know him. He is such a nice person
exactly!!! these kpop fans (outside of korea) will say "he doesnt youuu", "why are you defending someone who doesnt know you" well yes and why do you (kpop fans) keep attacking someone who you dont know either?, when they know damn well that they would defend the group they stan lmao, hypocrite the Korean fans who literally could meet soobin in a broad daylight in a pedestarian know his personality, korean fans met txt members the most, thats why they never make this a big deal. all txt members are the same, in front of or behind the camera. for example soobin is unfiltered, he will talk about anything comes to his mind and is really honest, another example yeonjun, he literally calling out stan culture's stupidness time to time and literally talking about the hardship that idol tend to endure especially against haters, this is what txt are, theyre just bunch of chill guys who enjoy their job as well as being a normal human being, just like non-celebs. txt as whole is a really unproblematic group, so these kpop fans will always tried to grasp at anything to make them look bad, and yet they always failed.
@@JonJon-wc6pj even if it is just for fan service he still put a lot of effort to do this and all the people he meet thinks he is a very nice person. All the things he did reflects how good of a person he is.
Kpop fans really treat idols like they are holy virgin mary oml (this is coming from a kpop fan). It’s like if idols see anything that is slightly sexual or grotesque that ruins the fans their image of them?? They’re not babies.
I agree with your comment but just wanted to comment how I really liked your last point. They’re not babies!! Unfortunately Kpop fans have this warped image of how people work lmao. They have forgotten that these idols are still human who also go through similar things as other human beings. They are allowed to be human beings ffs 😂!
I like to say they 'infantalize' the idols, ESPECIALLY the grown men. It's really gross, actually, and I'm a kpop fan. It's like they see any sign of them having interest in the opposite gender and their hive-mind loses their shit, but if 'Oppa doesn't love me!!!' they'll LITERALLY self-harm. That's a whole different story.
You know what's funny, these same fans will write and consume explicit fanfic using Idols who are real people and then get pressed over the exploitation of drawn fictional characters in anime. The stuff online written by fans about idols is honestly disgusting and creepy. They even write stuff about underage idols and play around with LGBTQ identities like it's a joke to them. Like these are characters and not real people. I actually gave up on K-pop because the fandoms are toxic and problematic. They act like they own these idols. On top of the disgusting work conditions and exploitative contract and toxic beauty standards in that industry, I can't support K-pop in good conscience.
I'm so tired of people saying some pieces of art are "problematic" The real world is full of horrendous things, art is allowed to talk about those. And as a Kpop fan... PLEASE LET THEM ENJOY LIFE. THEY'RE ADULTS
I think the difference is that the art is not painting these things in a negative light. A lot of anime glorify sexual harrassment and sexualization of minors.
@@dokessezeaka5159 it shows a grown man looking down a little boy's pants and commenting on his privates. It also shows the little girls in a sexual way multiple times
@@gintokisstrawberrymilkis fair not liking this content but remind your self that is a fictional media and there are actual real CSEM content spread around involving actual real minor, which is more concerning than actual lines on a piece of paper. I mean, you can always avoid what you dislike, without harassing
I got no stakes in this whole debacle as I've never been into kpop but all these horrible fake fans have probably done with this is that their faves will not open up about their likes and dislikes anymore. They'll get less fan interactions out of this or at least even more fake interactions.
@@DieAlteistwiederdaits not the fans who hated on Soobin, the fans don't really care, Soobin actually shares a lot. But other kpop fans(who arent fan of Soobin) started to hate on them for no reason
@@hectorgregorio95 true, some are of that age. but most of them throwing around the pëdo accusations were Adults, which makes it so much more baffling. insane lack of media literacy, critical thinking And common sense.
@@nana-iq9tz imagine watering down the term pedophile on the internet just cuz you read a dark fantasy manga. It's a laughable situation that could potentially affect this idols careers
Unless they live in Florida and want to read a wholesome child’s book, about a little kid with two daddies, or about that there are different kinds of people in the world and it’s okay to be yourself. Then the conservatives will do a witch hunt to cancel you.
You know what’s insane? Lots of kpop idols and other celebrities have openly stated they like stuff like Squid Games or The Glory but they can’t handle their idols watching something equally disturbing just because it’s anime and it’s unfamiliar.
not to be that person but i would say made in abyss is a lot more disturbing let's be honest. if kids are a part of something horrible it's always worse. Edit: Also I don’t think that people have a problem with traumatizing, messed up twisted stories in general. But rather the execution or inclusion of some forms of violence and shock factors, especially if kids are involved. Also I think if I saw some random scene of squid game without context, just someone being dead, that wouldn’t disturb as much. Maybe seeing the minutes up to the death yeah. But I think anime can create images and visual horror in only pictures that live action hardly can achieve. I think seeing some and more scenes or pictures of made in abyss out of context and without knowing what it is would shock me to my core. Those shows are just disturbing for different reasons. And I think both are very hard to stomach but one is just worse bc of animation, bc of kids and bc of scenes with kids that even in this story shouldn’t be there (and that is the real problem of those ppl).
@@cinnamonroll96 what makes Made in Abyss more disturbing besides the characters being kids? Also, personally, I could stomach stuff like Castlevania or Vinland Saga even though I couldn’t get through The Glory because even though the things like Castlevania are equally or more disturbing, my threshold for disturbing content in animated things is higher than live action.
@@kpopnimation I think that’s exactly it. The fact that these characters are kids make it more disturbing. I don’t know the glory. But squid games is about something disturbing, messed up and mentally just twisted. I still would say the things you see are just more disturbing for a lot of ppl. A lot more to stomach, bc of all the mind-destroying shit you watch, the gore and all this. And this in combination with kids going through it, makes the already very messed up shit even worse. I think you can’t just say what about it besides the characters being kids. It’s exactly that. They are kids. And some scenes just even if you make a show that wants to just destroy someone that watches it, and intends to disgust and all this, some things just don’t need to be there, especially with kids. Edit (to clarify): The show and story with the kids would have been just as creepy and messed up without some of these scenes.
Yes! For me Squid Game is disturbing and i don't understand the hype, the story can be easily find in japan's movie/anime/manga? I don't think this show has any groundbreaking story.
@@cinnamonroll96just wanted to point out that in The Glory the main character also has to endure horrible/traumatizing things as a child so I think it’s a fair comparison.
This really made a fandom cleanse I’m glad a lot of Stan’s found this ridiculous at the beginning it was “weird” but people really started calling them pedos?? Like be so FR does me enjoying serial killer series mean I’m a serial killer? No.. it’s insane how many “fans” turned they were harassing them in Weverse which is where idols interact with fans I’m glad this got solved
A fandom is there to make money once again as bad as they can be They need their money! MONEY its what a fans is there for ... Yes enjoying serial killer too much is problematic
I'm a k-pop fan but I started in the anime community. So I feel for the boys getting this backlash. It's uncalled for, cancel culture should be cancelled.
Idiots idiots who promote canle culture will wine and b*tch when it happens to them. Remember when twitter was " a private and they can do whatever they want"?, that was until Elon bought it.
@@sambegstha3516 The article is made by Koreaboo which a website thats notorious for spreading rumors and trying to cancel idols. I'm sure 99% of the fans of these idols don't give a shit about this "controversy". Also real Kpop fans hate this website.
I’ve noticed that K-pop fans (more than other groups I’m a part of) really love jumping on a bandwagon. And are willing to act like experts with little to no investigation or critical thought. Thanks for this video Joey, this bs has to stop.
Sadly this happens a lot now in the Kpop community with smear campaigns of a different groups fans trying to cancel groups they don’t like, even if they have to dig for the smallest , most unrelated things to try to cancel those Kpop idols. They normally only last for a day or two but it can get really bad, especially if yt has to talk about it.
ive been into kpop for years, i stopped caring since last year but yeah, they have always been like that, sometimes they don’t even care that much about the actual issue, it’s like a gotcha moment “your fave is problematic!” and use that evidence to attack other idols and fans, and when their fave idols who eventually got accused to be problematic, most of them will try to defend them with a lot of excuses, heck even there’s some fans who still defend their idol after being accused of SA, just a really terrible community (not all, some of them are cool, but yeah…. sadly the ones who act like that are the loudest)
This resurfaced and has been spread because it has been planned by a group of people who just wants to cancel idols and see them go down just for fun. It's not the first time things like this happened (publishing 'scandals', misinformation, twisting words etc). And I'm kinda glad that these group of people mistakenly put anime into this, and it has never been debunked so fast.
Woozi is known, at least in our fandom, to love anime to the point that he held a 6-hour live just to list animes he’s watched over the years. Most Carats went to work with no sleep because the live pulled through to the morning. This controversy was an entire reach and an attempt to cancel the idols mentioned but most of us are thankful because this was a massive purge to the respective fandoms affected and helped flush most of the fakes out. The hypocrisy of these people like none of them even peeked at an episode of AOT. LOL.
" Most Carats went to work with no sleep because the live pulled through to the morning" you know.....this is just further proof that k pop stans have no lives.
Not only is it absolutely ridiculous harassment by kpop Fans towards their own IDOLS, the Korean version of the anime is censored to an crazy degree, along with other anime’s!! It’s rating is 15+ in South Korea, and was even aired on television weekly so it’s appropriate for kids to watch. Also the word “provocative “ was auto translated during a live where he talked in full Korean. It doesn’t have the same meaning as it does in English, it’s meaning is more along the lines of “shocking/crazy”. I just wish people wouldn’t jump to insane conclusions and try to label idols something as serious as ped0 without doing proper research. Soobin, mingi, sakura, and woozi Taeyong don’t deserve these harsh words
As someone who has been into kpop and anime for over 7 years, I can tell you that all these ridiciolus "scandals" are started by a small minority of people who thrives by starting shit on twt, and "news" like to have a good headline including some of the most popular groups rn (not to mention they all recently had/will have comebacks). That time they tried to start shit for idols watching Violet Evergarden becuase its a age gap relationship? Actually ridicoulus. And yet Jay Park and all Super Junior members are out here just like? Being sus and problematic on the daily? Anyway um... Ateez comeback 1st December 🫡😂
@@hibiscius yeah, Mingi mentioned he watched it, and basicly the day after people tried to start hate, because apparenty Violet Evergarden is somehow the most problematic show ever depicting a relationship with an age gap? 😂
i’m a kpop stan and trust me we’re definitely not all like that. i personally am not really an anime fan, i’ve never watched anime or anything, but as soon as i heard about this “scandal” i just laughed. they’re calling these kpop idols weird and even “p3d0s” for watching a cartoon?? 😭 i did some research about that anime (unlike most of those people) and yeah it’s definitely not as bad as they make it out to be. those “cp” scenes are taken out of context and its clear that the anime does not revolve around that. also it’s made to be grotesque and gore so they make sense in that context. idk i hate kpop stans and i’m definitely ashamed of being associated with them
I'm anime lovers. I mean I like anime a lot and I do like kpop. I'm happy when kpop idols gave their favourite anime and recommendation. I'm very happy when my bias have the same interest in anime that I like. I feel like wanting to meet them and talk about that particular anime they like 😂
@@I.disagree you can be a stan and not be a toxic person wanting to ruin people's lives and careers. Don't dictate how this person refers to their self.
As a normal person, I find the fact that you call yourself stan even while seeing how other people who call themselves stans act disturbing. If you have to say "I'm a stan, but no not like them", why not just say you like kpop.
Kpop "scandals" don't usually last long, and it's blowing over as you post this. Everyone moves onto the next outrage already. Especially when it's not even a real issue to begin with. As an older anime and kpop fan, I have to always remember that the loudest voices on kpop twitter are probably teenagers. Kpop fans have harness their collective powers for good before, it's also prone to go off the rails too. No doubt there many more kpop fans who also like anime (and understands anime) than those who are upset by this, and vast majority of kpop fans also don't buy into this scandal.
I agree thats why i stay unbothered even tho one of the member in my fav group is involved. I know ppl would say " why wouldnt you defend them?" No, for my own mental health, why would i bother for things that will just fade away in a couple of days. As a kpop fan for 15 years i already knew this wont last long
yeah, not even a day passed and there were some deranged individuals on twitter who were quote tweeting disturbing stuff on a news report of kyuhyun from super junior getting knife injuries from a woman who tried to kill his costar by breaking in their waiting room because he put himself in harm’s way to save his fellow actor. people were saying why couldn’t the woman have gone for the head, or why he didn’t d*e …. it was absolutely gross how they were just openly saying it would be a delight if he was k*lled 😔
But this one is just sad Bcuz soobin who got the most hate bcuz it was a trap directed to defame him He’s one of the most loved idols even outside his fandom But now soobin Stan’s or txt ot5 are treated like criminals Some pp, genuinely think he’s a p3do😢
I’m into both anime and kpop and waking up to this was genuinely one of the most mind boggling things but unfortunately stuff like this happens weekly people get accused for the most stupid things
Yeah I mean I obviously understand where it came from and personally made in abyss was very uncomfortable and I don't know if I'll whatch the second season but to suggest that to whatch it automatically makes you a peodophile is borderline insane
As a kpop stan myself, I feel embarrassed. You know it’s ridiculous if the situation reaches the RUclips commentary side. But while I would like to defend the guys more, their stans tried dragging my favorite group, who has nothing to do with this, into this situation. Nobody’s safe when it comes to kpop stans.
I am a kpop stan and a weeb, it was fucking hilarious to me when kpop stans were calling out idols for watching an anime with characters who are minors WHILE STANNING SOMEONE IN KPOP😭 the whole industry is built on exploiting children, there are so many groups with minors rn that are exploited by adults in the industry but god forbid kpop stans say something about that, they would rather defend those adults than call them out. Kpop stans are the biggest hypocrites yall can ever meet. Mfs were cancelling people over JUJUTSU KAISEN😭💀
What's crazy is a lot of ppl grew up with their favorite series and continue liking their childhood favorites but uhhh anime characters don't age. So imagine as a middle schooler you had a crush on like a high school aged dude, that's fine because it's a crush. But then it's been several years and now you're an adult...."you're not allowed to like them anymore!" That literally doesn't make sense. Minors who are calling out adults for this just are too young to understand that'll happen to them too. And that's how they get shocked when they turn 20 and someone uses the same argument against them. Like....dude they're anime characters who can't get hurt. Majority of ppl who like anime characters aren't gonna chase a minor. It's just majority of mainstream mangas and animes main characters are still in school. (Ppl who obviously....like minors are different but you can tell if they're a weirdo or not) Example: I literally thought Denki from CSM was gonna be revealed to be like 19+ like he went through a whole childhood with no education because that is tragic af and make him desiring to touch a boob, get a girlfriend, etc even sadder. But then they were like he's 16 and I was like.....oh. Still sad but 2% less tragic in my head.
This cancellation was one of the most bizarre things I have ever witnessed. Soobin didn't deserve this, he's a very sweet boy. Kpop fans don't care about absolutely anything other than fanwar.
as a kpop fan who used to be BIG into anime/manga (i can only afford one expensive hobby at a time lol) this whole situation was blown out of proportion and incredibly stupid. no one ever takes 5 seconds to research or fact check before just posting it on twitter as fact 'cuz trust me bro' and then people just run with it. and it doesnt matter how many time this happens, people still do it. its SO annoying.
Joey saying that Soobin is cute... good taste, man. And thanks for this! The fandom was down for a while as this is a baffling situation. Thanks for pointing out how unserious this is and that how it grew out of proportions when Soobin (and other male idols, including Sakura from Le Ssera) was just sharing what they watched.
As a normal well adjusted K-pop fan, this controversy is 1000% giga stupid and it's honestly just embarrassing, even had a big smile on my face seeing Made in Abyss was trending thinking it's getting the praise it deserves. But oh boy did that smile fade in an instant. Like seeing that one thread being spread around making Made in Abyss look like some sort of kiddy gore fetish porn made me wanna pull my hair out.
As a kpop fan who's directly in the fandom of the main idol getting dragged, i can confirm that they were doing this just to cancel him and the anime was taken SO out of context i'm embarrassed
Honestly, this is not just a K-Pop stan issue. This is a current generation issue. Something about these youngsters being so out of touch with reality because they were in lockdown for two years. They treat fictional characters like they’re real people, fighting for pixelated/2D rights and condemning anyone who dare enjoy the fictional characters as fictional. Meanwhile, they treat real people as if we’re fictional, throwing slurs and sui baits and perish/dox/non-con threats. It’s a whole mess that makes you wonder where tf did it go oh so wrong? This “controversy” should never have happened. But all because some kids (and, embarrassingly enough, adults, usually younger) can’t be bothered to treat fiction as fiction and mind their own business about people’s preferences.
I see it a lot in people in their 20s as well. It's like an infection from social media. It's crazy how much the younger generations are pushing fascism and not realizing it.
As a kpop stan myself I can confirm that the majority of kpop stans have the habit of jumping into conclusions and throwing around serious accusations way too casually as a big gotcha moment without ever doing their own research or knowing anything about the topic, it's embarrassing. There were few of us trying to talk sense into these people but it was so wild and frustrating how they'd made up their mind and wouldn't listen to reason. Sometimes the worst enemy of the kpop idols are their own fans.
💯it makes my blood boil how they don’t understand why you don’t get to throw such accusations around Not only for the poor K-pop idols that can get kicked out of their group cuz this sh*t can blow up & get out of hand for no reason reach the public even & suddenly soobin is p3do these Stan’s never learn this can’t be controlled But also it waters down these actual crimes
That list was made by someone who was heavily sheltered by extremely conservative parents, to shame those shows and anime as well as anyone who watches them. It is screaming "I am a saint and you are sinners." I feel like anyone who watches these shows knows what they are watching and are mature enough to enjoy and understand that some plot points are dark. Shunning true crime, just screams "I am living in a bubble." Not that you have to love true crime, but acknowlegding that the world isn't perfect isn't a bad thing.
Or someone who is just chronically online. Unfortunately, I've seen these brain dead kinds of views and takes a lot more recently (probably more often because I'm in furry spaces, and right now there's this war going on within furries about a very similar argument that's been going on for years). It's funny cause the same people will yell against these conservative or sheltered people, but then turn and say the exact same stuff under a "woke" or "rebellious" agenda without realizing how hypocritical they're being. It's disappointing seeing this kinda mindset seep its way into other communities, but it gives me hope seeing people like Joey speak out about this incredibly stupid idea that everything should be sanitized.
I thought there were being sarcastic like hey if you think watching MIA means you support p*do just because it features little kids in dark/gore situations then that means you support murder because you enjoy watching true crime shows/podcast. It just shows how ridiculous the claim is.
This "scandal" is the epitome of moral hysteria that awfully happened a lot more often these days. This is why I try to distance myself from a stan label lol, pretty embarrasing
this controversy was so surreal. speaking as a taeyong biased 127 fan, my timeline was having a full-blown mental breakdown over this shit. seeing these people sobbing and having PANIC ATTACKS over an almost 30 year old man reading (or not reading, just having it laying around on his floor lol) mainstream manga and acting like he PERSONALLY wronged them shocked me. defending taeyong online wasn't enough, i needed a mortar. the funniest thing though was those posts like «he's never coming back from this» and «he's on his own now». i thought that people would forget this thing in two weeks, and now not even two weeks passed and people, who were calling him names, accusing him of terrible shit and telling him to leave the group are already back to loving him 😂 being a kpop stan is am embarrassment for real
soobin rarely gets into drama so for this to be what he gets flack for is crazy. Also, free my man Taeyong who literally didn’t even talk about the anime, it was just in a photo?!😭 kpop ‘controversies’ are always being blown out of proportion by netizens out of complete boredom- like they need to get a job challenge
I’m a Kpop fan. I’m an anime fan. I’m a TXT fan. They are Kpop artists and are also adults (all Idols mentioned in article are over the age of 18). They are allowed to have tastes that are different than your own. I also find this ridiculous. Thanks for covering this. It needs to be said.
It kills me how kpop idols are still being treated like babies. Of course Soobin understands the provocative and "controversial" parts of Made in Abyss, he even says he DOESN'T recommend it. Idk what more fans want. 💀
I am someone who hates anything "loli" or "shota". There are a few parts that did creep me out, but Made in Abyss is one of my favorite series ever. It is a very unique and emotional journey that is worth watching. You will cry your EYES out. I don't even know how to describe it in words that would do it justice, but trust me. Even though some parts are weird it is a masterpiece. You've never seen anything like it.
The fact that the cast is children is off-putting at times, but MiA wouldn't work if they were not children. There is a reason many horror movies have kids in them. It is a well established fact that using children in horror increases the unease and fear in adult viewers.
Me too. As an anime watcher, I have my own dislikes when it comes to certain anime tropes and the way some shows portray minors provocatively just for the sake of fanservices and not actually in context with the storyline or attributing to the plot. I have issues with how p word tendencies of some fans are ignored or justified in the anime community. But this whole thing is just ridiculous. I bet this came up because Made in Abyss is sort of being talked about online now and kpop stans have to kpop stans and find controversy in every recent events in relations with the idols. Even if they have to backdate and dig out things from past livestreams and interviews. I love some kpop idols myself, but most of the time I wonder if Kpop stans really love their faves. Or are they so sadistic, they try to make life hell for their faves in every way they can?
That's my mine gripe with MIA, I hate loli/sho stuff, same with many incest in anime. I watch a lot of dark shows so it's not like I have a problem with mature content, as long its not glorifying or fetishizing stuff. I bet MIA is a great anime, but if it uses kids for fanservice I think I'll pass.
What's even crazier is that Made In Abyss in Korea is censored to the point where it has 15+ rating and was even BROADCASTED on National Television. And regardless of the censorship do these people believe a country is gonna be airing "pedOphilic" content on national tv for everyone and their kids to see?? Idk but some people really gotta watch what they say instead of throwing out serious allegations against people that ruin their image and going as far as sending dts, creating inappropriate AI images of idols, and just spreading misinformation,, like it's honestly really scary how some of these ppl feel entitled to other people's lives and very concerning.
Soobin always loved adventure anime stories and that's why he was also an anime lover. How can some immature people come and try to cancel him just because he watched a cartoon that was also consored but was publicly published with 15+ age limit and also with millions of view!! These kpoppers need to grow up tbh !! Soobin don't deserve this !! He is also a human like all of us!!
Just wanted to clarify somethings : korea has the full version banned and the show is cut and censored to a crazy degree, the rating is 15+ and was aired on television so kids can even watch it, and the word "provocative" means "shocking/crazy" in korean. also there are some mistranslations : he found it interesting not fun this whole controversy is stupid af
It’s so dumb, because there’s actually soooo many chill K-pop fans, but they’re not really as noticeable or seen compared to the psycho ones because, well, they’re chill😂 most K-pop fans find these “controversies” so stupid and obnoxiously fabricated while being taken out of context.
@@Suzashidawn I think there are lots of chill ones on other social media platforms, of course. But yeah, Twitter's always a cesspool of bitterness and anger, I've always steered clear of it.
Hi, I follow TXT Soobin. Soobin is a sweet guy and he has already mentioned that it is an anime that he doesn't recommend for someone who find things like this uncomfortable. And he has watched the censored version of MIA and stopped midway through And I'm really glad you are making a video about this because the hate not only Soobin, but Sakura and Woozi are getting is so unjustified. Most of us are normally not like this I'm really sorry. I know this thing might not happen again but we recommend not looking through Koreaboo, Pannchoa, Soompi are unreliable and biased "sources"
@@ywnzrx_i even linked the MV there but it only got 1 like 🤣🤣 it's okay tho. Was just happy to see it. I believe it's also on Joey's video or Aki's that I saw Chaotic Wonderland advert in the background
Soobin was the most loved idol across the kpop community and now due to this huge spread of misinformation his reputation will forever now be tainted. It’s makes me so upset for him because he is genuinely the most real and sweet idol to everyone but especially his fans. Soobin is even known in the kpop community along with Seventeen Woozi for both being huge anime fans. This was all a planned attack by trolls in Korea in order to take down very popular idols in their groups. Knetz even realize this is a slander attack because it happens all the time there.
Exactly. Honestly people pretending that this was anything else but your run of the mill manufactured controversy that happens on a regular basis is insane and also just addicted to outrage porn. This whole thing was started by trolls and no kpop fan anywhere from what I've seen has thought of this as anything less than stupid. Just an excuse for people to scream cancel culture and kpop stans are crazy etc. etc. when we're just chilling and tryna enjoy our interests. If no one gave the trolls any attention then this wouldn't be anywhere near the "controversy" that people are pretending that it is.
thank you for defending soobin! these days have been super hard you get attacked if you stan him now and this is probably something that’s gonna be used against him for the rest of his career.. it’s honestly really sad. kpop stan’s act like they care but they don’t in reality they used this just to hate him because they didn’t like him in the first place and wanted to ruin his career. soobin is very amazing idol and has always been kind to both his fans and everyone around him.. this honestly all just sucks!
Thanks for talking about this. Being a kpop fan is so embarrassing like I literally had to stay off twitter for like 3 days till the TL cooled down. The way so many kpop Stans were calling these men the p word. Like it was actually disgusting the shit they were saying about them just cause they mentioned an anime 😭 to think this whole thing started cause Soobin’s haters wanted him cancelled, they couldn’t find one problematic thing so they settled for an anime he mentioned is hilarious 😭
Mad props to the anime community for coming together and defending these kpop idols, i always herd how bad kpop stans can be but this is just another level, that list aswell is wack.
And the fact that those morons attacked the most unproblematic famous idol, like soobin is well loved, even by other celebs. They adore him,while they turning the other way with problematic idols is crazy.
I'm currently watching this horseshit from the sidelines , having loved Kpop for about 5 yrs or sth, and me and my friends have discussed just today that us international fans do tend to churn out the classic "tiktok cringe 12 yr old" stans like once in a blue moon, but when I tell you what kind of horrible fucking people most Korean and Twitter fans are, you'll understand quite quickly what an overconcentrated minority is responsible for this. Idk man
As someone who often hears news about the kpop scene. I am now convinced that kpop haters would literally complain about anything as long as it will put down the person they hate. Much love to the fans that know better.
This was 100% a planned scandal by a few anti fans btw, it happens often when a group gears up for a comeback or during voting season. Scandals are sometimes made up by antis to discourage fans from supporting the idols & have them stop voting, streaming or buying an album. In this case, it started right during the last week of MAMA voting, which is the most popular kpop award show. So yeah, those who start the rumors & scandals actually do not give a fuck, they just want to hurt the idols, and then the casual puriteen fans turn on their own faves to seem woke
What's so fucked up is it's usually the fans who bring down their idols more than the haters. When they find out something about the idol that doesn't match their idea of what an amazing person they are, they immediately try to bring them down. Not all K-pop fans are like that, but there definitely is a lot more than meets the eye. It's pretty disappointing, honestly
Hi, let me say something as a MOA (name of TXT and Soobin's fandom)… I want to make it clear that the majority of people who criticized and tried to massive cancel Soobin was actually antis and haters who already didn't like TXT itself and who used this to took advantage of the “bad” situation of “hate train” and make him “cancellable” and with this tarnish his image and drag him and the entire TXT group. We MOAs immediately went after to know about everything as soon as this appeared on our timeline… many moas looked for ALL informations about the anime, tried to learn things and search for everything about and even many moas decided to watch the anime themselves to be able to have ownership when explaining and talking about the anime. Most of the MOAs, TXT’s fandom, we didn't give hate and we didn't cancel Soobin because we had the discernment to understand and learn about everything and we actually did this, we’re able to see immediately the distortions on the words used by Soobin and able to see that they were causing all of this with the intention of drag him. MOAs discovered in the end that all of this was intentionally distorted and actually created/fabricated by haters and antis of TXT and thus managed to make kpopers (that already didn’t like TXT before) to bite this hate bait just to have fun canceling him… kpopers haters didn’t care about anything people were explaining and clarifying about the anime and everything. But the thing is the fandom of TXT and Soobin and SOOOO MANY PEOPLE that is not even TXT’s fan and even you guys that loves animes actually debunked things about this controversy! Only the people that hates TXT are actually going on with this spreading distortion things.
As a Kpop fan and a Soobin bias, thank you for this. I think you're right about the translation to the word "fun". An English translation of a Korean word without context can be easily misconstrued because of that missing nuance. Anyway, a bunch of people who are too lazy to do their own research or are just using it for click bait to get views have blown this way out of control. I can't speak for the others but Soobin has a special relationship with his fans where they often discuss what he's watching or listening to, it happens every time he livestreams with the fans. I'm afraid he won't be as open about these things anymore so it's a real shame. But he has a great healthy mindset so I'm believing he'll come through this ok.
Why should he not be open about it? I bet he thinks this controversy is stupid too. He should just say fuck you to the haters and do whatever he wants to do lol. Why does he care
I'm both a Kpop stan and an anime fan. I feel embarassed that this is how the kpop community is now. Everyone should be able to love what they want and also Made in Abyss has a lot more story to it if they sat there and actually watched it or read about it
Most of txt fans actually did research and tried to debunked whole claims but witch hunt is already going on specially against soobin. Thank you for talking about it and giving different perspective. ps: TXT singing op for Solo leveling anime which will be out in January 🙌
As someone who's favourite anime is MIA, I will say that if I ever reccomend the anime, I will always give a heads up and warn about the more obscure scenes. That being said, made in abyss is a really well made anime. The character design, the animation, Kevin's osts, the overall world experience, the story... I have never been so amused and submerged in a story. This k-pop idols should be able to enjoy this beautifull work of art without any backlash.
Not referring to all Kpop stans but those who are the haters and cancelling Kpop Idols just because of such issues such as their Idols liking anime(MIA etc) is just dumb and ridiculous. These Kpop stans are just toxic. Just leave these Kpop Idols alone and find another Kpop Idol that would fit your 'prince/princess-like cool/stunning' image that only does cool things since you lack taste for a good and well written story/anime/manga.
just a reminder, that article has a lot of mistranslation. woozi NEVER recommended made in abyss and he listed it as something he watched during A WORLD TOUR. what makes it worse is that this live happened a year ago. and additionally, korea's censorship of media pretty much removed all the weirder scenes in the anime since they are strict with content.
@@mookiestewart3776 it really doesn't lol. the whole thing is when the kpop industry has and continue to have problems with exploitation of children yet this is the thing that they made a big deal of.
It actually didn’t remove most of these scenes, it’s something fans made up to save their asses. Not that they need saving, but it was the intend behind it.
@@HopeeInkit depends cause where'd you get that info? (Genuine question). For example, in China some games aren't available for them due to censorship (unrelevant to anime but what I know), so they make games available for all audiences. Such as idv (what I play) is like the "safe" game version of dead by daylight (which is goresome). So yes, in some countries, censorship does exist unless you play or watch it in a specific website to expose you to the whole thing.
While I'm not fluent in Korean, Soobin used the verb 재미있다 which can be, and usually is, translated to mean "to be fun" but can also mean "to be interesting." Whether intentional or not (though I do have my own opinion) someone messed up the translation and made a bunch of foreign stans think that Soobin was calling the anime fun. What confuses me is that by getting super upset at these idols, we are implying that its unacceptable to consume media that tell stories that are dark and disturbing AND that by consuming that media we are condoning the messed up things portrayed in the media. I am not an anime fan at all, but I am a kpop stan and have been for almost 10 years and I can say that the community is full of extremely young and naieve women most of whom have a huge heart towards suffering and have been trained by the internet to be hyper reactionary when it comes to being defensive over groups of vulnerable people. However, when you walk around with a hammer everything starts to look like a nail. It is sickening the number of adult men that prey on underage folks, that is an absolute fact. I think though we all agree that the consumption of media that contains graphic scenes and messed up premices doesn't necessarily mean that you condone that character or that behavior. While I have absolute compassion for those who feel the need to stay on alert from creeps it is not okay to call people disgusting names over what is, at its core, a nothing burger
I fought with my best friend because she didn't watch made in abyss but she was talking about it as if the whole series contained fetishes and sexual stuff...basing her arguments on some tweets she read...Like bruh if it was really like that do you really think I would have recommended it to you, let alone watch it and praise it like I did? What the fuck. She had the audacity to say "i wonder why people didn't talk about it before" and I said "because the anime community is chill [compared to the kpop community]" and she was like "well maybe I don't want to be chill about literal p*dop*rnography" and that's when I realised yet again just how immature some people can be
@@hadrianhexe9603But that doesn't mean you should be demonising people and accusing them of something they didn't do. Your right, it does have a problem but not every anime does this.
@@sagemaster1357 Noone said every anime does it but it's a good chunk of them and whenever someone mentions it, people try to give every excuse under sun that it's ok, trying to gaslight people into think they are sensitive and wrong for being mad. So how on earth do you expect people to take ya'll serious?
Soobin is the sweetest i can't explain how happy he gets while talking about anime i fear it won't be the same now. These kpop fans are lethal pretty sure they've all watched squid games and read fanfictions sexualizing their minor idols and draw the line at media their idols consume.
1:37 I started smiling when Joey called Soobin a cutie. Because yes, he is, in fact, a cutie. Not Joey mispronouncing ATEEZ as "ah-tees" and not "ey-teez"😂😂
honestly made in abyss is one of my favorite shows and i cant wait for it to finish but those short scenes really did throw me off and they do really stick even if it was a few seconds especially since there is literally no practical purpose of the scenes being there so they couldve just not added it
Thank you for defending Soobin in this…. He did nothing wrong, the anime is actually censored in Korea as well and is rated 15 + so insane to cancel a grown man for something teenagers can watch on live television
Most of the kpop idols didn’t even said they recommend MIA… just said they recently watched it. Kpop stans really think they can control what idols can do in their life. The saesangs stalking their idols and cancel them for getting married is also horrendous. The stories that surrounds them is disgusting.
don't worry it wouldn't help. at least not with the type of stans who are only looking to start fanwars, and a lot of them love yelling how important mental health is in one breath and then telling people to off themselves in another.
being both a kpop fan and anime fan is tiring right now. kpop stans need to touch more grass and stop with this parasocial relationship nonsense. like, they are real people.
as a huge kpop stan and an ult moa (txt/soobin's group is my favourite group, my pfp is a member from txt) i think this whole trend of puriteens deciding what's "okay" to watch and what's "problematic" to watch is just frustrating. with the explosion of social media and the internet, it feels like every single user is hyperaware of what they're watching just so they can make sure their slate is perfectly crisp and clean, out of fear of getting cancelled, and they lash out on other people out of self defense when they start getting scrutiny. soobin being the center of this was actually a cause of a known group of internet trolls, but it illuminates a huge fault in teens/young adults growing up on social media. people need to expose themselves to "problematic" media in general so they have a grasp of what their personal boundaries are, and those boundaries should stay personal!! not everyone can tolerate the same level of reprehensible media and that's okay!!! if your bias liking a certain kind of media has you in such arms, just unstan and move on with your life. the moment we as the consumer audience try to enforce "the line" of "what's right and what's wrong", we fall into censorship adjacent territories and it's like. get a life. move on. disconnect from the internet. tldr: you can't decide someone else's moral grounds, and trying to police it just makes you a cunt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ made in abyss is straight fire i would sell my pc set up to meet kevin penkin
The controversy is dead now. An idol from a popular group was friends with a new idol who has been surrounded by controversy recently, and the way things move in the kpop community is once the floodgates open the internet people move like locusts devouring anything and everything that could put anyone under scrutiny. And this controversy was just another attempt at character defamation. This is how the community acts unfortunately and stuff like this happens all the time. There have been SO MANY idols that have been removed from their groups and had their careers ruined based off of literal rumors.
I'm an anime fan and a K-pop fan but this is crazy. I'm on the side of the anime fans and the idols. They don't deserve slander for liking great shows and people shouldn't be judging them for it if they don't know what the show is like having not watched it.
TXT's Soobin is quite literally my favorite idol and I've also watched ALL of Made in Abyss (not to mention it is probably in my top 3 favorite anime), so its not an understatement to say that I was annoyed and confused asf whenever I saw this controversy pop up on my timeline. I mean there were SO many kpop stans (even my mutuals bc yes, unfortunately, I am on kpop twt) calling the people who watched the anime: ped*philes, misogynistic perverts and r*pe apologists. And these tweets had 30k-50k likes, like I was so astonished and extremely appalled that REAL people were saying this crap, agreeing, and throwing around those words like nothing. I just did not know how people with functional brains could output that watching an animated show = you support all of the content within it, agree with it, and exhibit those qualities in real like. Like WTF happened to yall's brain??? NORMAL PEOPLE can separate FICTION from REALITY. Human beings know what is right and wrong and just because you consume content that is problematic, does not mean you think it's correct. ts pissed me off so bad. Anyways, TXT will be the OST artists for the Solo Leveling anime so be sure to check it out once it releases.
Hi everyone. These days was so hard for me as MOA (Tomorrow X Together, which soobin is one of the member fan) and saw how you guys are being so sweet in the comments section really bring me to tears and lift up all weight on my chest. I'm really thankful ♡ By the way, Tomorrow X Together will release will release an OST for Solo Traveling, please give it lots of love too!
People who aren't stupid enough to assume things like those people did on twitter knows that soobin did nothing wrong. I know he is really sweet please support him the best way that you can
Tbh are people really that angry ? I am a k-pop fan but not in k-pop Twitter . This whole thing is so unnecessary? I feel bad for them . Getting shit for no reason . Soobin is so nice .
I remember how this unfolding. That is one of the most unhinged twitter experience. Many people who canceled those idol also sexualized them in the same account. It was bizarre to say the least.
As a kpop stan and anime fan I would like to say I am not part of fandom that is canceling this idols for random reasons, not all of us are crazy like you think and some of us are actually adults. With that being said these idols can watch whatever anime they want like come on they are all adults not kids! Just because you watch something that deals with heavy topics/problematic actions doesn't mean you accept those actions! I mean look at the countless movies that deal with similar topic and a lot of people enjoy watching it and I don't hear people canceling someone because they enjoy that type of thing! My point is that this whole situation got way blown out of proportion!
That's exactly my thoughts. I'm a kpop stan too and I watched made in abyss at 2017 and when I read about the controversy with soobin and more idols I was like, are you serious? I even found a thread calling them p3d0s like wth. They didn't research ANYTHING ABOUT THE ANIME. What's wrong with people these days...
@Minhos-cats-stealer143 That's the reason because I dont wanna interact with kpop stans anymore. Kpop is fully of stupid fanwars, sexualization of minor idols and now cancellation culture. TXT boys are unproblematic and see they are trying to cancell soobin for watching an anime It's really sad...
ngl I kinda feel bad for kpop idols. Having to tip-toe around a psychotic fanbase as much as they do has to be tiring
top worst fanbase in history
Im them and id get a sponsoerd made in abys concert or what ever lol
teenage girls are scary man, just look at the female audience of Howl's Moving Castle. I've seen some things... 😨
he's not even watching the one we're watching. korea banned any controversial or s***ual scenes and any material in their country and every show, movie, book goes through extreme revision in the country. the rating for MIA is 15+ which means kids can watch it, but to take care of the bloody scenes from the fights. soobin hasn't even seen the entire uncut show and he's still not recommending it to people based on how scary the fights are in the show.
@@pwqpwqpwqpwqpwqikr!
My one idol friend has told me that on fan service apps/live streams where they interact with fans, they’re not allowed to talk about their favorite anime and it was wild to me lol. He specifically said he wasn’t allowed to let fans know his favorite anime is One Piece 💀
if he let his fans knows his favourite anime is One Piece, One piece will become a problematic anime because it involves female characters with unrealistic body proportions.. P.S. i'm being sarcastic btw..
I mean, admitting you are a One Piece fan is worse than admitting you did 9/11, nowadays P.S. i'm not being sarcastic btw..
You gotta spill the tea, who likes one piece? (from a kpop stan and a one piece fan)
Omg wait this is actually you, the 0 in the @ had me thrown💀
Exactly, imagine they talk about KNY, AOT, MHA, they will get cancelled I bet 😅.
The worst part is that Soobin and Mingi both said they wouldn’t recommend it to their fans because of the dark themes, and people straight up lied about it? They said they are pushing and recommending it on their fans
(Edit: it turns out, Woozi didn’t recommend it either, and taeyong had the censored version. This is exactly the reason I waited for awhile to form an opinion 😭 Things are often not as they seem at first.)
taeyong didn't even talk about it at all. it's just one of his shoes pic from 6 months ago, and the manga was there in the background💀
@@muuuut9802 that’s all they got on him? 😭 wow, they really love exaggerating everything to the unth degree
So, he prefers the second season but is wary to recommend it to people because of how gnarly it gets? This man really is a true Made in Abyss fan.
@@muuuut9802 woooow so he didn't even say ANYTHING about it??? these fucking stans I swear omfg there so bored 🤦♀️🙄
Woozi didn’t recommended as well. He was asked about the recommendations but in the end he just listed some anime’s that he started but haven’t ended bc their tour.
As a 26 year old kpop stan, I think its fair to assume that most of the kpop stans trying to cancel these idols are either minors and/ or have never watched a single anime in their lives AND dont know how to differentiate fiction from reality because my time line was a hell hole for a whole 24 hours
Not just anime, sadly, because it started crossing into (like shown here, and what I saw through the meltdown that day) - any form of fiction (live action, book, manga, anime - etc) that had that sort of stuff. Majority of whom I saw (both in KPOP twt and anitwt) were all around the ages of young teens (as in just allowed to use twt unless they're younger than that) to young adults (low to mid 20s at most).
I was so glad that on my actual TL either people didn't know anything about it or were pissed that people couldn't separate fiction/reality (as you said).
i'm the same age as you and i agree. these kids would never have survived early 2000s/2010s anime lmao
They may be of age but they're mentally not stable, obsessive, irrational and most of all delusional. Though I'd like to think that most of them are still minors, teens or veeery young adults because if any of them are over 25 I have no hope for humanity, again...
trust me most of these people trying to cancel were just basically misandrists waiting for something more reasonable to hate men, they're girl group stans, ofc not all of them hate men but a good part of them does and they really awful things, even troll accounts took advantage of these situations, i think someone even might have got doxxed because they said they shouldn't be called pedos, it's really crazy, but the scandal started from korean fans of txt soobin who found something more reasonable to criticize him rather than for his recent scandal (doing the middle finger with his toes to another idol, on a private live that got leaked, also not recent) and then it got here
It’s nothing but hive mind behavior pure and simple
Kpop fans act like they don't read/write the most NASTIEST fanfictions about the idols they stan...
Right
100%!!!! And they say themselves that “it’s just fiction”… Well you are reading/writing about REAL life people.
@@mi-000001000% correct. The hypocrisy is funny.
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Twitter hasa lot of kpop smuts😭
As a kpop Stan AND Anime fan I'm standing here shaking my head. THESE ACCUSATIONS ARE SO STUPID !?!?! Sorry to the idols omg
right like kpop as an industry is way worse than anime and it's happening to real people
Because many kpop fans are extremely woke.
They see anime as sexist
i dont think its wokeness... its twitter brain@@asdfghjjhgf
Same, it's these "controversies" is just so out of context dumb. But hey, it just made me wanna watch the made in abyss more because of how "provocative" they say
I feel like it's always the most extreme and deluded fans who are the loudest. Or maybe I just like to believe the majority realize it's none of their damn business and not a sign of depravity when guys in their 20s watch movies or anime that include more adult themes or scenes. It's confusing to me, would these same people get upset over idols watching action movies, which usually include violence and sex? Is MIA that out there?
As a fan of all these idols and this show… the lack of critical thinking in this whole situation is baffling
Unfortunately the lack of critical thinking in almost any kpop "controversy" doesn't really surprise me anymore, just way too common.
@@BlueET3RNAL The lack of critical thinking in any "controversy" doesn't surprise me
I only discovered today that soobin watches made in abyss, my day is absolutely amazing rn
@@same8031 REAL mans has TASTE
Honestly ❤
Trust as a kpop Stan this "controversy" was a joke and deep embarrassment within our community as well. Many kpop stans are anime fans as well, and many of us are adults.
The whole music is tailored to appeal to teenagers so I very much doubt there are much adults in the kpop fandom especially not on twitter.
@@somename86 There are many actually, and especially on Twitter. Also kpop music is vast genre of different styles.
@@somename86 then you haven't seen much kpop. there's music for all ages it's not just geared for teenagers. so yes there are a lot of adults as half of the idols ARE adults.
@@somename86you would be surprised tbh. Of cause you have your teenage demographic, but KPOP also finds a ringing by people in their twenties and even older. And being at 18+ kpop parties, looking at the people I meet @ concerts or interact with as often the youngest of the group (I’m 25) … kpop has a big adult audience. It’s a hella expensive hobby to have and you would drop dead knowing how much people are willing to spend. So it’s more likely to have fans with a stabile income what is something that most of us gain in their 20’s.
@@somename86? I am 30 year old kpop fan and I know soo many other +25 year old kpop fans. Not everyone who likes kpop are teenagers.
It’s insane that people needed to find a “good” reason to hate soobin bc he stuck up his middle toe💀 then they brought woozi, mingi, and taeyong into the situation when none of them did anything wrong. It’s gross that so many ppl immediately assume the allegations were true and didn’t even attempt to look into them.
Honestly the middle toe thing is a talent ngl like I don’t even know how he did it 😂😂
but honestly, what's wrong with flipping out the middle toe? 😂
Sakura too 😭
@@loveballetmuchshe did it too?!!!
@@mort7686 well, not the middle toe part...🤣🤭 But Pannchoa dragged her in this mess but not really a mess issue 😐😏
As kpop fans, im glad there's still a lot of rational fans that find these "controversy" Dumb
It's beyond dumb but crazy people are always the loudest... It's very important to counter such people. People watch things like Spartacus: Blood and Sand or even Wrong Turn, Human Centipede but it's OK because only drawing are so evil that people have to be canceled... I personally dislike all of this stuff but I have many friends who watch gore stuff etc. and I learned to appreciate this stuff to some degree because in many ways it's like a sign of freedom and detector of bad actors and authoritarians (often mentally unstable people and some horrible dogmatic ideologies). So many people who like to hate anime at the same time will defend Cuties and other similar thing that involves real people - it's pure insanity... I'm older guy and I started watching anime few years ago just to escape from authoritarian propagandist cancelling insanity I saw everywhere...
i agree and for Soobin it was a translation error- he said he "would not recommend" and people got PISSED. it was ridiculous
As a fellow weeb and kpop fan i also fuckin hate how kpop fans view sht like these as "Controversies"
It’s fucking wild. And I know, if I speak out I’d only get jumped by my mutuals 💀
@@taestful_cherry7577yh the same for Minig op cut out the ret of the video
Kpop idols aren't allowed to like or dislike anything. Soobin is just a sweet guy
Not even a K-pop fan and I feel so bad that idols aren't allowed to be human.
Dude i didnt know k pop fans are this toxic
@@HenryNwanegbo Bro you have no ideia, they are one of the most toxic fandom that exists, death threats are the base insult they make
only haters are allowed to dislike
Mostly stems from fandom wars. I assure you that all Soobin fans think him liking MIA is fine. There are other groups fandoms that are trying to cancel him and the other boys so that their fave can rise to the top.@@HenryNwanegbo
As someone who started as a huge anime fan then moved to be a kpop stan I'm glad I'm not the only one who found this "scandal" to be absolutely dumb, some kpop fans need open their eyes and realize that watching an anime is no reason to cancel someone
They can't their brain are somewhere else
Im in both kpoptwt and anitwt and I can give u a reason why I think this ridiculous arguement has blown out like this. Stan twt is a shit hole where people will do anything to find dirt to expose idols they hate. I am telling you this is absolutely zero about morals and 100% having something so they can cancel an idol and justify sending them hate. Usually cancelling an idol would involve actual crimes in korea like drugs or sex trafficking. Nowdays they just grab something with the slightest bit of gray moral and exaggerated in a way that's damning for the idol. This extreme moral policing and holier-than-thou attitute kpop stans have is not about actually believeing it's wrong but just to justify hate.
Thank you for giving contex
Exactly, they are just trying to "cancel them" or to ruin their images, like they do every single time they bring out rumors. It really sucks and it's so annoying
you could have stopped at "twt is a shit hole"
That's true, that's why I left kpop twt. There are also a lot of wholesome fans tho. In my case, shawols and carats were just two of the most peaceful and wholesome ones.
It took a member of a group I loved leaving the group because of some fake accusations by toxic fans for me to stop using kpop twt. It was so toxic. It was painful to see the same fans of the group abandoning him. The same fans put him down, never believing him. For us who supported him and only wanted the truth, we were the "toxic" ones. They believed some random user in the internet spreading lies about him than him. I stopped stanning the group after that cause it really broke me. The fandom until now pisses me off.
Twt does this to vtubers and random people too
Sadly the loudest k-pop fans tend to be the worst, and those who are respectful tend to be overshadowed by them, that's why we have such a terrible reputation. Idols Like Soobin tend to get into situations that get blown out of proportion, things get pulled out of context and they are expected to be perfect and only consume content that is clean. It's sad because none of them said that those scenes were okay they just mentioned the shows and people made assumptions.
I would say if not for Andrew Tate's stans and Donald Trump's die-hard stans, K-pop would be one of the worst fandoms out there.
I can say that pretty much 99% of nice and respectful kpop stans will not be seen by ppl. Not because there aren't any, but because it is just not worth it to spread positivity in that cesspit of a fandom. I have been in multiple arguments with people whose arguments have been 100% proven wrong by ACTUAL sources such as authorities, and they just disregard it entirely and will still continue hating on the person. It's because the fandom that the public sees are 3 types of people. Obsessive parasocials, minors who clearly don't have a developed brain and people who just hate for fun to get the fire started.
he's not even watching the one we're watching. korea banned any controversial or s***ual scenes and any material in their country and every show, movie, book goes through extreme revision in the country. the rating for MIA is 15+ which means kids can watch it, but to take care of the bloody scenes from the fights. soobin hasn't even seen the entire uncut show and he's still not recommending it to people based on how scary the fights are in the show. this entire thing was done by an anti fan who had to go watch the JAPANESE VERSION and screenshot two photos from there to make their article 'exposing' him. even koreans were shocked by the uncut scenes
@@sarahalbright7864 Nah you didn't see the tiktok fanbases yet. They're even worse than Kpop "stans"
exactly its also like the little kids or young teenagers who ruin it for us normal teenagers/adults
The fact that people are calling him a pedophile now and saying they "won't forgive him" because of this stupid thing is so absurd, I feel so bad for Soobin, he only wanted to share something about his interests with his fans (as a TXT fan, we've long known he's an anime enthusiast) and this is what he gets in return... If I were him, I would feel genuinely betrayed
also one of antis' favorite arguments in this is that "the author is a pedophile, so by watching the show, you condone pedophilia" excuse me, I've had MIA on my "to watch" list for a long time and I had NEVER heard anything about the author of the manga before last Monday (when this blew up), how can they know if Soobin was even aware of any controversies surrounding the guy? But hey - any chance to defame a successful rival idol is good I guess! 🙄😠 Vile
WHAT??? To Soobin!?
@@liathelie8805 What's more interesting: the mangaka of MIA (Akihito Tsukushi) isn't even charged with pedophilia. It's another mangaka (his name is Kenya Suzuki who was charged in 2021). Some dumbo twisted it to malign the mangaka (and probably got the names mixed because they can't read Japanese) and to blow the whole thing out of proportion. Tells you that most people suck at reading comprehension these days.
@@tkraid2575 why am I not surprised xd
@@liathelie8805I searched it up and he's not even charged for that so I'm genuinely confused.
from what I've observed, a lot of the loud newer/younger kpop fans LOVE to act "holier than thou," ESPECIALLY when it comes to groups they don't like. there's this whole "my faves aren't problematic but yours are" thing going on, and it's continuously gotten worse over the years now that kpop isn't a niche interest. that word, "problematic," is thrown around _a LOT._ this just seems to be an extension of that. somebody didn't like TXT, so they found an interest of one of the members that could be seen as "problematic." somebody didn't like NCT so they found an interest of one of the members that could be seen as "problematic." and so on, and so on. there also seems to be a group of western kpop fans who _really_ want to prove that they themselves are just _so much better_ than the average Korean. like... so much more "woke," but they _think_ they mean the actually good version (i.e. "racism and homophobia are bad"), but they fall into the bad version (i.e. "liking a dark show makes YOU bad") by trying so hard to prove it. they _look_ for reasons to put themselves on a pedestal, so they continuously lower the bar for what is considered "problematic."
oh! I just remembered that I have a recent example of some kpop stans making up issues! there's a recent song by a male artist featuring a female artist that I was watching a lyric video of. there were only three commenters: two praising the song and congratulating the artists on a job well done, and one yelling at the video creator and the other two (both in direct replies and their own comment) to quit shipping the two artists. literally _nobody_ there was shipping them, and I have yet to see _anyone_ ship them. I replied basically telling them to knock it off, wondering if maybe there was one or two since-deleted comments shipping them that had set them off. but, in my youtube notification of their reply, their name was shown as "f*** [group name] and their stupid [fandom name]" and suddenly _it all made sense._ they're just the type of stan to do that sort of thing.
what you say is really interesting for me becuase in China, kpop stans are literally treated as one of the worst group in discussions, they act like they live around corner. maybe because Chinese people had known kpop for the past decades, so we all knew how dumb kpop could be
Yeah, not even just being morally righteous. There's def been a huge change in how kpop stans behave overall. Back when it wasn't as popular like 2nd gen, the fandom kept to themselves. They weren't trying to interact with other non-kpop fandoms or even think of spamming memes or videos of their fav idols. But like now fans will straight up go onto ppl's unrelated tweets or like tragedy posts and be like "should've stanned -KPOP band here-" or even photoshop memes or videos that honestly make the idol look horrible (like I think Loona had something similar. The group did nothing wrong, the fandom just made a meme where they seemed like a member had beef with a western artist idr) and I was like....outsiders are now gonna hate your group now why???? inside the fandom knew it was a meme but outsiders aren't gonna understand because it's obviously not outrageous enough to be like wow that'd never happen if they don't know that it's a kpop idol who has never met a western artist before.
I think the change in behavior was really lead by being influenced by unfortunately kind loud but weird older fans while the ones that are more logical and reasonable and not holier than thou with egos or seek out like being a popular fan amongst fans kind of kept to themselves or outgrew being in the kpop fandom and just enjoyed the music. Some kpop fans were always weird but like....the I remember when kpop idols used to visit CA and Disneyland and just got to be normal ppl in foreign countries. But now they can't go anywhere without being stalked and mobbed. We used to be like damn korean saesaeng/stalker fans are crazy and there was no real notable cases of such behaviors internationally in 2nd gen. But now it's like there's sasaengs everywhere.
It's a lot of the younger generation in general that is doing this. You'll see it a lot on twitter and other social media. They'll try and ruin anyone's lives for enjoying any piece of media that has any "problematic" type of content like loli (made in abyss) or incest (game of thrones), regardless of if said content is the main point of the show or game.
I am 28 and have been into K-pop on and off since 2012 and when I see kids doing stuff like this, it is ridiculous and pathetic to me. Most of these guys lack the ability to have a deeper understanding, because their brain hasn't been fully developed yet. When I see the younger generation of K-pop fans are loud and obnoxious, my reaction is mostly: y´all need to sit down! Your brain is fully developed until you are 26. And from what I have observed in the world in general, this is not only a K-pop issue. The younger generation in general is like this. When I see them calling out "problematic" issues, I just can't take it seriously.
Hi, Korean American here. You're correct about the word "fun" being an awkward translation. The original word Soobin uses in that quote is a form of "재미있다" - which can mean "enjoyable" or "interesting." It's not exactly incorrect to translate it to "fun," but it oversimplifies the speaker's original intent based on context.
Exactly what I was thinking! I understood it as the anime was interesting/amusing rather than haha funny
We live in a timeline where Anime Fans are defending Kpop idols, and Kpop stans are attacking their idols.
What happened
"The next BTS" spot opening up and Kpop fandoms frothing at the mouth to get their faves to that point.
Istg I thought I was living in another dimension..
LMAO
@@Emgee78No because I’m a multi-Stan and BTS has been my ult-bias group since 2016, and I this is VERY MUCH TRUE. It’s so messed up what’s happening right now in the K-pop world. Like first the Seunghan controversy and now he MIGHT BE KICKED OUT OF HIS GROUP?!? And now people attacking Soonbin, Taeyong, Mingi AND Woozi?!? I’m seriously reconsidering why I’m still into kpop when toxic fans keep ruining everything… and I don’t want to say it… but most of the fans that I see taking down their “idols” have been Korean fans?!? Like you would think that Korean fans would be THE MOST supportive of their idols but they ARE LITERALLY THE MOST TOXIC AND VICIOUS RIGHT NOW?!? Like what is the world coming too. My one source of comfort right now, and the kpop world is turning into even more of a shitshow than it used to be. 🙄
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Taking things out of context and making them bigger than they are is basically what kpop twt is all about
Nah, that's the internet as a whole
It starts with twt though or is mainly known for it
I blame the Western side
I think one of the main reasons why people kinda overreacted was because there was one massive tweet that was gaining popularity and it basically said, "Soobin/so and so watches a pedo anime, I'm done." followed with a screenshot of a very questionable moment from the anime out of context. I remember for three days straight a whole mess was on the TL, there were people saying he deserved to be drafted, others were fighting for Soobin, then anime fans got in the mix. I understand people's concern when it comes to things like this, but they definitely jumped the gun.
@@oberdamujigae I blame all the sides tbh, especially younger fans who still lack some critical thinking
Kpop fandom should have two divisions: 1. normal people, 2. those weirdos on twitter who caused this drama. I don't want to be associated with the second one just cause I listen to the music pls 😭
I agree with you 💯, I am a k pop fan myself. People need to leave these idols alone! Sure some anime/ manga are darker and more twisted than others, but these idols should not be attacked for enjoying something that other people do not enjoy.
Fans vs. Stans. I don’t know why the majority of the kpop fandom refer to them selves as Stans (identity) instead of a fan of something (a like for something /hobby)
@@hollo0o583 in the Kpop fandom the word 'stan' means the same thing as 'fan' unlike in any other case where its meaning describes obsessive fanning. Honestly I'm not interested in getting into it and finding out why is that, I've been in this fandom for 8 years and it's just always been the case. After a quick Google I see some people quoting Eminem's song which supposedly originated this idea but, again, I'm not interested in the term as much since the entire fandom gets what it means
@@hollo0o583 actually in the kpop stans community if you say you're a fan means you're a casual listener, probably enjoy the music or the content from time to time, but the stans are the ppl who know the names of the idols and always watch the content and comebacks, it takes a lot of time and energy (including going to concerts, collecting albums or photocards..etc.) i guess that's why ppl refer themselves as stan because it's slightly a bit more than just a fan. But in that means is not yet being a toxic stan, ppl who are overly and crazyly obsessed with the idols are called sasaengs or just toxic kpop stans ( stans who attack other communities for the slightest things or other fandoms and don't even respect their own favourite idols sometimes). That's how i understood it atleast. But just want to clarify just because we say we are kpop stans doesn't mean we're automatically the type of dumb toxic stan :).
I don't believe than normal people are in Kpop fandom.
as a kpop stan and in the fandom of the main person who’s being dragged, i find all of the controversy incredibly stupid and taken out of context
I think after that "our enchae" controversy people were trying to damage soobin's image. So they came up with this stupid idea. 😂
Ya it’s all because of a user named pannchoa who was active on weverse but is now more active on twitter. And now she’s stirring shit up implying the huening siblings are posing inappropriately for photos with each other 🙄
@@j-hopegonnakillyouwithhiss6567definitely! and it didn’t work at all 😭
@@magenta_brown5327i don’t know how people keep believing pannchoa especially with all the harm she’s done to multiple idols
@@magenta_brown5327 pannchoa always have the most off-putting post, accusing a photoshoot of 2 siblings as their deviated incestuous fantasies is such a fucking crazy move
the clownery kpop stans are committing with this controversy is utterly embarassing to say the least.
As a kpop stan, this is my first time actually admiring ani fans for being smart but yes kpop community is fucked up i hate that our idols have to go thru these for nothing. Hope they get sued for false accusations
The word "fun" used in the article is a translation from the word "재미있다" which litterally means "fun", but in that context and in the Korean language, it means "enjoyable".
💀💀i was laughing when i saw the pannchoa post, i am still laughing. Kpop stans are so unserious.
kpop stans has brain damage
As a kpop fan let me tell you, a good portion of us are confused as to why people are going after idols for basically just watching tv (like we couldn't give less of a fuck wether what they watch is rated PG or not) is a very loud minority the ones criticising the idols.
I agree and have seen it for the past 10 years and I feel bad for the people cause they are human beings just doing their and “fans” are just strangers to them that enjoy their works or art but are so delusional and not normal at all. I hope they are ok cause I was so confused on this “scandal”. I don’t know why people have thick skull on know idol are human being and not something you can control into your beliefs or likings.
My thoughts exactly
Dp you guys also have those "idols don't poop" kind of people?
@@isoprops3861not really that would be like a SMALL minority. Let me tell you how many idols have been hated for dumb scandals. One of them being dating. Yes you can blame it on the way the industry sells those idols but it just is hella annoying even in some understandable accusations they just jump on a hate train without hearing out the other side, without actually looking into stuff.
One of these examples are all the bullying and SA accusations.
There are alot of examples here are just some idols I follow : Woojin, Taeyong(the one in this video), Garam, Soojin, Ravn, Lucas, etc...
Soojin would be the one who is doing the best right now as this thing came up with TY.
Sometimes we are really just tired of them.
"i just need to blind him a lil to discipline him, don't worry, guys, the blindness won't be permanent.."
As a moa (txt/soobin fan) I am proud to be a part of a fandom that did not jump to conclusions (most of the fans) and defended him (he did nothing wrong though). I just want to let you know that people who started this "controversy" did it purely out of hate and now they look so dumb for doing this.
As a multi Stan and anime fan with most of these idols as my biases. It was really painful to see the switch up but funny to see them talk about things they don't know about so confidently. They just wanted to attack these idols and used anything to achieve that
@@sharinataylor3000 oh the switch up was crazy. They were holding onto that one ss but when someone posted the video of the whole scene they just went silent.
good for you man, i really wish atinys were like that (nctzens were also really chill for what i've seen) the moment the article from pancchoa came out there were people having panic attacks on my tl, saying they were dissapointed and even continued to say that is what they sould've done............ turns out that mingi didn't even say anything abt MIA and the fancaller (who refused to answer people's questions abt it) muted her voice and talked over him when he was just naming shows he watched recently
Yeah it should be noted it WASN'T moas who attacked him, it was other anti BH kpoppies
as a big txt fan this was a mess, people spreading misinformation, jumping to conclusions and throwing horrible accusations, kpop fans will do anything to cancel groups they don't like
Same here txt is my favorite group and I can tell when someone needs to be held accountable. But for this people are reaching SOOOO far for no reason and calling Soobin a pedo and for him to be kicked out of the group. Like what
i agree! im also a moa and this whole scandal feels so dumb!
It's mostly the edgy gg stans that are adding more fuel to the flame😑
@@Lin9597 this!! They're always trying SO hard to have a "gotcha" moment
RIght?? TXT is my favorite group and Made in Abyss is prob my second favorite anime, so like when I first heard he liked it I was like hell yeah! but wow the reactions and just reeeeaching to find something to cancel ppl here is insane
As a big fan of made in abyss and a Kpop fan this was seriously one of the dumbest things to happen
Exactly. This whole thing is so dumb ??
@@nobitanobi3475 k-pop stans will be angry for the dumbest reasons, I'm a kpop stan myself
Poor guy. He did nothing wrong. He just shared the things that make him happy and was hoping the other will make them to.
@@lanceducusin4696 I am one too lol they do be mad at the most randomest stuff
So consuming media means u condone everything that happens in it and agree with everything that the author says 😳
Welcome to the internet
what is this, I see that u have a Peak fiction pfp🤔🤔
sad day for everyone, means you gotta do background checks on all your actors/actresses, voice actors/actresses, producers, directors, etc, before you can watch or listen to anything else you become "part of the problem" (according to their logic) no wonder they are always on twitter/X or posting discord msgs complaining, they are bored out of their minds!
@@Aleclovito fellow peak enjoyer 🤝
they pretend to care abt cp but the show isn't even revolved around cp 😭 it's literally kids uncovering mystery and fighting monsters. korea doesn't even have all the scenes they cut full entire parts it's just the monsters, fight scenes, and some adventure in there. not even the traumatic parts!!!!! which add to the complexity of the show.
As someone who loves kpop and anime, it's funny to me that these fans go after anything and calls it problematic but they support minors debuting in a predatory industry. It's wild to me how they see issues everywhere but their own fandom. I will say that the younger fans (as a whole) are becoming more and more puritanical. I really want to see studies and video essays years from now talking about how gen z/alpha swung too far into purity culture. It could just be issues with being chronically online, it could be the holier than thou attitude the younger gens seem to have. Idk but I promise we're all not like this lol
I will say its funny that most of them stopped talking once a girl group member was found to also support this show. There is a huge issue with boy group fans vs girl group fans online and I wish it would just stop. It's as stupid as fans vs fans.
That's actually a good point about minor idols. I DO see a lot of people complaining about that (generally speaking), but I doubt the ones that were screaming at THIS situation were the same that would also fall in line with what you said. I also was complaining about the purity-level and the need to cancel in another comment on this video and yeah. I completely agree with you.
I think it's sad that because the fandom is SO LARGE, the toxic ones are the loud ones, thus they're the ones that get seen. Doesn't help that they are of the incredibly violent level, too.
I have also found a lot of those that fall into that line of thinking are the 13-23 year olds...
I did NOT know that about the girl group member, though...
yes when sakura was caught saying she enjoys it they suddenly got real quiet lmaooo
Media literacy is dead. The skills necesary to separate reality from fiction are gone and this generation just can't grasp the concept that fictional stories are a medium to explore human imagination.
And the said people don't understand that imagination's correlation to reality can be so far differentiated that the topics cease even being the same topic altogether. But understanding psychology has always been worryingly low in the first place.
It's truly sad how this is allowed to take place. Basic media literacy shouldn't even be that hard, most people should naturally be able to intuit and work out basic media literacy even if they aren't taught in school, unless I'm just giving the average person way too much credit and intelligence here.
Exactly, and I think it shows a lack of emotional maturity.
Consuming darker, fictional media does not make you complicit in what the stories entail. Reminds me of the people who freaked out when Mortal Kombat first came out and tried to say video games cause violence.
@@ruidechenyeah probably too much credit
Exactly
Soobin literally spend hours baking cookies for his fans a few days ago and now he is under this.
People who started this really don't know him.
He is such a nice person
exactly!!! these kpop fans (outside of korea) will say "he doesnt youuu", "why are you defending someone who doesnt know you" well yes and why do you (kpop fans) keep attacking someone who you dont know either?, when they know damn well that they would defend the group they stan lmao, hypocrite
the Korean fans who literally could meet soobin in a broad daylight in a pedestarian know his personality, korean fans met txt members the most, thats why they never make this a big deal. all txt members are the same, in front of or behind the camera. for example soobin is unfiltered, he will talk about anything comes to his mind and is really honest, another example yeonjun, he literally calling out stan culture's stupidness time to time and literally talking about the hardship that idol tend to endure especially against haters, this is what txt are, theyre just bunch of chill guys who enjoy their job as well as being a normal human being, just like non-celebs. txt as whole is a really unproblematic group, so these kpop fans will always tried to grasp at anything to make them look bad, and yet they always failed.
PLSSS!! hes such a sweetheart and people are just throwing him under the bus from both knetz and intl fans as if hes committing a crime???
Some people are just plain stupid and acting like they are too pure and innocent
It's just for fan service, they are idols. Basing an entire personality for that is stupid.
@@JonJon-wc6pj even if it is just for fan service he still put a lot of effort to do this and all the people he meet thinks he is a very nice person. All the things he did reflects how good of a person he is.
Kpop fans really treat idols like they are holy virgin mary oml (this is coming from a kpop fan). It’s like if idols see anything that is slightly sexual or grotesque that ruins the fans their image of them?? They’re not babies.
I agree with your comment but just wanted to comment how I really liked your last point. They’re not babies!! Unfortunately Kpop fans have this warped image of how people work lmao. They have forgotten that these idols are still human who also go through similar things as other human beings. They are allowed to be human beings ffs 😂!
Yea but this is controversial for pedophilia and rape
I like to say they 'infantalize' the idols, ESPECIALLY the grown men. It's really gross, actually, and I'm a kpop fan. It's like they see any sign of them having interest in the opposite gender and their hive-mind loses their shit, but if 'Oppa doesn't love me!!!' they'll LITERALLY self-harm. That's a whole different story.
It's pedophilic abomination
You know what's funny, these same fans will write and consume explicit fanfic using Idols who are real people and then get pressed over the exploitation of drawn fictional characters in anime. The stuff online written by fans about idols is honestly disgusting and creepy. They even write stuff about underage idols and play around with LGBTQ identities like it's a joke to them. Like these are characters and not real people. I actually gave up on K-pop because the fandoms are toxic and problematic. They act like they own these idols. On top of the disgusting work conditions and exploitative contract and toxic beauty standards in that industry, I can't support K-pop in good conscience.
I'm so tired of people saying some pieces of art are "problematic" The real world is full of horrendous things, art is allowed to talk about those. And as a Kpop fan... PLEASE LET THEM ENJOY LIFE. THEY'RE ADULTS
I think the difference is that the art is not painting these things in a negative light. A lot of anime glorify sexual harrassment and sexualization of minors.
They pretend as if they put actual child p*rn on screen. Like it is a drawn naked child if you think that's provocative maybe look inwards.
@@gintokisstrawberrymilkin very sure made in the abyss isn’t glorying abuse
@@dokessezeaka5159 it shows a grown man looking down a little boy's pants and commenting on his privates. It also shows the little girls in a sexual way multiple times
@@gintokisstrawberrymilkis fair not liking this content but remind your self that is a fictional media and there are actual real CSEM content spread around involving actual real minor, which is more concerning than actual lines on a piece of paper.
I mean, you can always avoid what you dislike, without harassing
Poor soobin :( he's always been the most sweet to us fans, seeing people treating him like this makes me feel really sad
I got no stakes in this whole debacle as I've never been into kpop but all these horrible fake fans have probably done with this is that their faves will not open up about their likes and dislikes anymore. They'll get less fan interactions out of this or at least even more fake interactions.
@@DieAlteistwiederdaits not the fans who hated on Soobin, the fans don't really care, Soobin actually shares a lot. But other kpop fans(who arent fan of Soobin) started to hate on them for no reason
@@ONCE_A_MOA_ALWAYS_A_MOAMy thoughts exactly.Not even realizing they're opening a space to make it easier for the same to happen to their idols.
Gosh, these people need to find a job. Cancelling someone for watching and reading is so stupid. It’s not illegal to.
They are probably 12 so they shouldn't even be on Twitter/X to start
@@hectorgregorio95 true, some are of that age. but most of them throwing around the pëdo accusations were Adults, which makes it so much more baffling. insane lack of media literacy, critical thinking And common sense.
@@nana-iq9tz imagine watering down the term pedophile on the internet just cuz you read a dark fantasy manga. It's a laughable situation that could potentially affect this idols careers
i mean not really, im active on kpop twitter and these are majority 18-25 people saying this stuff which is worse@@hectorgregorio95
Unless they live in Florida and want to read a wholesome child’s book, about a little kid with two daddies, or about that there are different kinds of people in the world and it’s okay to be yourself. Then the conservatives will do a witch hunt to cancel you.
You know what’s insane? Lots of kpop idols and other celebrities have openly stated they like stuff like Squid Games or The Glory but they can’t handle their idols watching something equally disturbing just because it’s anime and it’s unfamiliar.
not to be that person but i would say made in abyss is a lot more disturbing let's be honest. if kids are a part of something horrible it's always worse.
Edit: Also I don’t think that people have a problem with traumatizing, messed up twisted stories in general. But rather the execution or inclusion of some forms of violence and shock factors, especially if kids are involved.
Also I think if I saw some random scene of squid game without context, just someone being dead, that wouldn’t disturb as much. Maybe seeing the minutes up to the death yeah. But I think anime can create images and visual horror in only pictures that live action hardly can achieve. I think seeing some and more scenes or pictures of made in abyss out of context and without knowing what it is would shock me to my core.
Those shows are just disturbing for different reasons. And I think both are very hard to stomach but one is just worse bc of animation, bc of kids and bc of scenes with kids that even in this story shouldn’t be there (and that is the real problem of those ppl).
@@cinnamonroll96 what makes Made in Abyss more disturbing besides the characters being kids? Also, personally, I could stomach stuff like Castlevania or Vinland Saga even though I couldn’t get through The Glory because even though the things like Castlevania are equally or more disturbing, my threshold for disturbing content in animated things is higher than live action.
@@kpopnimation I think that’s exactly it. The fact that these characters are kids make it more disturbing. I don’t know the glory. But squid games is about something disturbing, messed up and mentally just twisted. I still would say the things you see are just more disturbing for a lot of ppl. A lot more to stomach, bc of all the mind-destroying shit you watch, the gore and all this. And this in combination with kids going through it, makes the already very messed up shit even worse. I think you can’t just say what about it besides the characters being kids. It’s exactly that. They are kids. And some scenes just even if you make a show that wants to just destroy someone that watches it, and intends to disgust and all this, some things just don’t need to be there, especially with kids. Edit (to clarify): The show and story with the kids would have been just as creepy and messed up without some of these scenes.
Yes! For me Squid Game is disturbing and i don't understand the hype, the story can be easily find in japan's movie/anime/manga? I don't think this show has any groundbreaking story.
@@cinnamonroll96just wanted to point out that in The Glory the main character also has to endure horrible/traumatizing things as a child so I think it’s a fair comparison.
This really made a fandom cleanse I’m glad a lot of Stan’s found this ridiculous at the beginning it was “weird” but people really started calling them pedos?? Like be so FR does me enjoying serial killer series mean I’m a serial killer? No.. it’s insane how many “fans” turned they were harassing them in Weverse which is where idols interact with fans I’m glad this got solved
A fandom is there to make money once again as bad as they can be
They need their money! MONEY its what a fans is there for ...
Yes enjoying serial killer too much is problematic
I'm a k-pop fan but I started in the anime community. So I feel for the boys getting this backlash. It's uncalled for, cancel culture should be cancelled.
K-pop stans and their search for the next cancel never ends.
Idiots idiots who promote canle culture will wine and b*tch when it happens to them. Remember when twitter was " a private and they can do whatever they want"?, that was until Elon bought it.
@@sambegstha3516 The article is made by Koreaboo which a website thats notorious for spreading rumors and trying to cancel idols. I'm sure 99% of the fans of these idols don't give a shit about this "controversy". Also real Kpop fans hate this website.
cancel culture is wild because idols get cancelled for breathing atp
No, cancel culture should be directed at people who actually deserve it.
I’ve noticed that K-pop fans (more than other groups I’m a part of) really love jumping on a bandwagon. And are willing to act like experts with little to no investigation or critical thought. Thanks for this video Joey, this bs has to stop.
Sadly this happens a lot now in the Kpop community with smear campaigns of a different groups fans trying to cancel groups they don’t like, even if they have to dig for the smallest , most unrelated things to try to cancel those Kpop idols. They normally only last for a day or two but it can get really bad, especially if yt has to talk about it.
put it into words perfectly ty❤
ive been into kpop for years, i stopped caring since last year but yeah, they have always been like that, sometimes they don’t even care that much about the actual issue, it’s like a gotcha moment “your fave is problematic!” and use that evidence to attack other idols and fans, and when their fave idols who eventually got accused to be problematic, most of them will try to defend them with a lot of excuses, heck even there’s some fans who still defend their idol after being accused of SA, just a really terrible community (not all, some of them are cool, but yeah…. sadly the ones who act like that are the loudest)
This resurfaced and has been spread because it has been planned by a group of people who just wants to cancel idols and see them go down just for fun. It's not the first time things like this happened (publishing 'scandals', misinformation, twisting words etc). And I'm kinda glad that these group of people mistakenly put anime into this, and it has never been debunked so fast.
Agree, sometimes they use idol "scandal" to cover up other more important news/informations ....
totally 1 of the stupidest thing they try to cancel the idol 🤣, like woooowwwww anime serious, r u calling anime community to fight u guys?
THIS. People or other fandoms that just want to spread shit to cancel a group/idol
Yeahhh like the clip was from 1/2 years ago 💀
Oh say it louder
Woozi is known, at least in our fandom, to love anime to the point that he held a 6-hour live just to list animes he’s watched over the years. Most Carats went to work with no sleep because the live pulled through to the morning. This controversy was an entire reach and an attempt to cancel the idols mentioned but most of us are thankful because this was a massive purge to the respective fandoms affected and helped flush most of the fakes out. The hypocrisy of these people like none of them even peeked at an episode of AOT. LOL.
so glad to have survived the massive fandom purge😭
What 6 hours listening to that I like 17 but not that extreme
Plus you need fans to pay for stuff so no pledis don't want purge
" Most Carats went to work with no sleep because the live pulled through to the morning" you know.....this is just further proof that k pop stans have no lives.
I actualy thinking someone want to put people on the list down from their popularity 🙃
Not only is it absolutely ridiculous harassment by kpop Fans towards their own IDOLS, the Korean version of the anime is censored to an crazy degree, along with other anime’s!! It’s rating is 15+ in South Korea, and was even aired on television weekly so it’s appropriate for kids to watch. Also the word “provocative “ was auto translated during a live where he talked in full Korean. It doesn’t have the same meaning as it does in English, it’s meaning is more along the lines of “shocking/crazy”. I just wish people wouldn’t jump to insane conclusions and try to label idols something as serious as ped0 without doing proper research. Soobin, mingi, sakura, and woozi Taeyong don’t deserve these harsh words
More english speakers talking for other people when no one asked.
As someone who has been into kpop and anime for over 7 years, I can tell you that all these ridiciolus "scandals" are started by a small minority of people who thrives by starting shit on twt, and "news" like to have a good headline including some of the most popular groups rn (not to mention they all recently had/will have comebacks).
That time they tried to start shit for idols watching Violet Evergarden becuase its a age gap relationship? Actually ridicoulus.
And yet Jay Park and all Super Junior members are out here just like? Being sus and problematic on the daily?
Anyway um... Ateez comeback 1st December 🫡😂
Jay Park and Super Junior have never done anything "sus" or "problematic", they're just constant targets of equally chronically online freaks.
WAIT THEY STARTED STUFF ABOUT VIOLET EVERGARDEN ??? LMAOOO i only know that anime for being beautiful and sappy lol
Nice comeback shout-out 😂😂
yes! also stream TXT's Chasing That Feeling, Seventeen's God of Music, NCT 127's Fact-Check, and ATEEZ's Bouncy too! xD :D
@@hibiscius yeah, Mingi mentioned he watched it, and basicly the day after people tried to start hate, because apparenty Violet Evergarden is somehow the most problematic show ever depicting a relationship with an age gap? 😂
i’m a kpop stan and trust me we’re definitely not all like that. i personally am not really an anime fan, i’ve never watched anime or anything, but as soon as i heard about this “scandal” i just laughed. they’re calling these kpop idols weird and even “p3d0s” for watching a cartoon?? 😭 i did some research about that anime (unlike most of those people) and yeah it’s definitely not as bad as they make it out to be. those “cp” scenes are taken out of context and its clear that the anime does not revolve around that. also it’s made to be grotesque and gore so they make sense in that context. idk i hate kpop stans and i’m definitely ashamed of being associated with them
Correction: You're a Kpop *enjoyer* 🗿
I'm anime lovers. I mean I like anime a lot and I do like kpop. I'm happy when kpop idols gave their favourite anime and recommendation. I'm very happy when my bias have the same interest in anime that I like. I feel like wanting to meet them and talk about that particular anime they like 😂
FR I WAS DEFENDING SOOBIN FOR MY LIFE
nah dont call my life a cartoon 😭
@@I.disagree you can be a stan and not be a toxic person wanting to ruin people's lives and careers. Don't dictate how this person refers to their self.
as a kpop stan, i find this controversy so stupid
Your are correct bro
Half of the scandals in kpop is stopid.
As a normal person, I find the fact that you call yourself stan even while seeing how other people who call themselves stans act disturbing.
If you have to say "I'm a stan, but no not like them", why not just say you like kpop.
Nah you're a fan
Same
Thank you Joey and all anime fans who came to Soobin’s defenses! TT
- from a MOA (TXT’s fandom) and anime fan at the same time
*all non retarded people in general*(excuse the insensitive slur usage) who came to Soobin's defense.
@@CICM_920honestly its excused cause thsts exactly how they're acting lol💀
@@CICM_920I shouldn’t have laughed so hard 💀
@@CICM_920 you are SO right
Kpop "scandals" don't usually last long, and it's blowing over as you post this. Everyone moves onto the next outrage already. Especially when it's not even a real issue to begin with. As an older anime and kpop fan, I have to always remember that the loudest voices on kpop twitter are probably teenagers. Kpop fans have harness their collective powers for good before, it's also prone to go off the rails too. No doubt there many more kpop fans who also like anime (and understands anime) than those who are upset by this, and vast majority of kpop fans also don't buy into this scandal.
I agree thats why i stay unbothered even tho one of the member in my fav group is involved. I know ppl would say " why wouldnt you defend them?" No, for my own mental health, why would i bother for things that will just fade away in a couple of days. As a kpop fan for 15 years i already knew this wont last long
yeah, not even a day passed and there were some deranged individuals on twitter who were quote tweeting disturbing stuff on a news report of kyuhyun from super junior getting knife injuries from a woman who tried to kill his costar by breaking in their waiting room because he put himself in harm’s way to save his fellow actor. people were saying why couldn’t the woman have gone for the head, or why he didn’t d*e …. it was absolutely gross how they were just openly saying it would be a delight if he was k*lled 😔
But this one is just sad
Bcuz soobin who got the most hate bcuz it was a trap directed to defame him
He’s one of the most loved idols even outside his fandom
But now soobin Stan’s or txt ot5 are treated like criminals
Some pp, genuinely think he’s a p3do😢
I’m into both anime and kpop and waking up to this was genuinely one of the most mind boggling things but unfortunately stuff like this happens weekly people get accused for the most stupid things
Yeah I mean I obviously understand where it came from and personally made in abyss was very uncomfortable and I don't know if I'll whatch the second season but to suggest that to whatch it automatically makes you a peodophile is borderline insane
As a kpop stan myself, I feel embarrassed. You know it’s ridiculous if the situation reaches the RUclips commentary side. But while I would like to defend the guys more, their stans tried dragging my favorite group, who has nothing to do with this, into this situation. Nobody’s safe when it comes to kpop stans.
I am a kpop stan and a weeb, it was fucking hilarious to me when kpop stans were calling out idols for watching an anime with characters who are minors WHILE STANNING SOMEONE IN KPOP😭 the whole industry is built on exploiting children, there are so many groups with minors rn that are exploited by adults in the industry but god forbid kpop stans say something about that, they would rather defend those adults than call them out. Kpop stans are the biggest hypocrites yall can ever meet. Mfs were cancelling people over JUJUTSU KAISEN😭💀
What's crazy is a lot of ppl grew up with their favorite series and continue liking their childhood favorites but uhhh anime characters don't age. So imagine as a middle schooler you had a crush on like a high school aged dude, that's fine because it's a crush. But then it's been several years and now you're an adult...."you're not allowed to like them anymore!" That literally doesn't make sense. Minors who are calling out adults for this just are too young to understand that'll happen to them too. And that's how they get shocked when they turn 20 and someone uses the same argument against them. Like....dude they're anime characters who can't get hurt. Majority of ppl who like anime characters aren't gonna chase a minor. It's just majority of mainstream mangas and animes main characters are still in school. (Ppl who obviously....like minors are different but you can tell if they're a weirdo or not)
Example: I literally thought Denki from CSM was gonna be revealed to be like 19+ like he went through a whole childhood with no education because that is tragic af and make him desiring to touch a boob, get a girlfriend, etc even sadder. But then they were like he's 16 and I was like.....oh. Still sad but 2% less tragic in my head.
FRRR
You mean otaku bc a weeb is a koreaboo vers for people who love anime and Japanese culture
@@tokkigifs oh yea It completely slipped my mind
@@rhynochi bruh I get this so bad I started watching anime when I was 5, like these characters were older than me, now I'm older than most of them.
This cancellation was one of the most bizarre things I have ever witnessed. Soobin didn't deserve this, he's a very sweet boy. Kpop fans don't care about absolutely anything other than fanwar.
As a txt fan I m very upset nd angry
TXT para una mejor vida,STREAM a lo$er lo❤er.
as a kpop fan who used to be BIG into anime/manga (i can only afford one expensive hobby at a time lol) this whole situation was blown out of proportion and incredibly stupid. no one ever takes 5 seconds to research or fact check before just posting it on twitter as fact 'cuz trust me bro' and then people just run with it. and it doesnt matter how many time this happens, people still do it. its SO annoying.
Joey saying that Soobin is cute... good taste, man. And thanks for this! The fandom was down for a while as this is a baffling situation. Thanks for pointing out how unserious this is and that how it grew out of proportions when Soobin (and other male idols, including Sakura from Le Ssera) was just sharing what they watched.
As a normal well adjusted K-pop fan, this controversy is 1000% giga stupid and it's honestly just embarrassing, even had a big smile on my face seeing Made in Abyss was trending thinking it's getting the praise it deserves. But oh boy did that smile fade in an instant. Like seeing that one thread being spread around making Made in Abyss look like some sort of kiddy gore fetish porn made me wanna pull my hair out.
As a kpop fan who's directly in the fandom of the main idol getting dragged, i can confirm that they were doing this just to cancel him and the anime was taken SO out of context i'm embarrassed
Honestly, this is not just a K-Pop stan issue. This is a current generation issue. Something about these youngsters being so out of touch with reality because they were in lockdown for two years.
They treat fictional characters like they’re real people, fighting for pixelated/2D rights and condemning anyone who dare enjoy the fictional characters as fictional. Meanwhile, they treat real people as if we’re fictional, throwing slurs and sui baits and perish/dox/non-con threats. It’s a whole mess that makes you wonder where tf did it go oh so wrong?
This “controversy” should never have happened. But all because some kids (and, embarrassingly enough, adults, usually younger) can’t be bothered to treat fiction as fiction and mind their own business about people’s preferences.
I see it a lot in people in their 20s as well. It's like an infection from social media. It's crazy how much the younger generations are pushing fascism and not realizing it.
I hate this world.
Oh, the 2024 fandom world is so wildly over sensitive, it's def a new gen issue. Doxxing/harassing over ships, characters, shows.. It is *mental*
As a kpop stan myself I can confirm that the majority of kpop stans have the habit of jumping into conclusions and throwing around serious accusations way too casually as a big gotcha moment without ever doing their own research or knowing anything about the topic, it's embarrassing. There were few of us trying to talk sense into these people but it was so wild and frustrating how they'd made up their mind and wouldn't listen to reason. Sometimes the worst enemy of the kpop idols are their own fans.
💯it makes my blood boil how they don’t understand why you don’t get to throw such accusations around
Not only for the poor K-pop idols that can get kicked out of their group cuz this sh*t can blow up & get out of hand for no reason reach the public even & suddenly soobin is p3do these Stan’s never learn this can’t be controlled
But also it waters down these actual crimes
That list was made by someone who was heavily sheltered by extremely conservative parents, to shame those shows and anime as well as anyone who watches them. It is screaming "I am a saint and you are sinners." I feel like anyone who watches these shows knows what they are watching and are mature enough to enjoy and understand that some plot points are dark. Shunning true crime, just screams "I am living in a bubble." Not that you have to love true crime, but acknowlegding that the world isn't perfect isn't a bad thing.
It just shows how stupid they are
Or someone who is just chronically online.
Unfortunately, I've seen these brain dead kinds of views and takes a lot more recently (probably more often because I'm in furry spaces, and right now there's this war going on within furries about a very similar argument that's been going on for years). It's funny cause the same people will yell against these conservative or sheltered people, but then turn and say the exact same stuff under a "woke" or "rebellious" agenda without realizing how hypocritical they're being.
It's disappointing seeing this kinda mindset seep its way into other communities, but it gives me hope seeing people like Joey speak out about this incredibly stupid idea that everything should be sanitized.
I thought there were being sarcastic like hey if you think watching MIA means you support p*do just because it features little kids in dark/gore situations then that means you support murder because you enjoy watching true crime shows/podcast. It just shows how ridiculous the claim is.
@@hinasevatsame that's what I thought as well.
This "scandal" is the epitome of moral hysteria that awfully happened a lot more often these days. This is why I try to distance myself from a stan label lol, pretty embarrasing
False high moral hysteria, can point fingers that the subject of these anime but when it comes to abuse their bands get from music industry, 🦗
@@Spartan3D213not really. Fans love talking about how badly certain groups are mistreated.
this controversy was so surreal. speaking as a taeyong biased 127 fan, my timeline was having a full-blown mental breakdown over this shit. seeing these people sobbing and having PANIC ATTACKS over an almost 30 year old man reading (or not reading, just having it laying around on his floor lol) mainstream manga and acting like he PERSONALLY wronged them shocked me. defending taeyong online wasn't enough, i needed a mortar. the funniest thing though was those posts like «he's never coming back from this» and «he's on his own now». i thought that people would forget this thing in two weeks, and now not even two weeks passed and people, who were calling him names, accusing him of terrible shit and telling him to leave the group are already back to loving him 😂 being a kpop stan is am embarrassment for real
soobin rarely gets into drama so for this to be what he gets flack for is crazy. Also, free my man Taeyong who literally didn’t even talk about the anime, it was just in a photo?!😭 kpop ‘controversies’ are always being blown out of proportion by netizens out of complete boredom- like they need to get a job challenge
For all we know he got that as a present from someone who remembered he was into anime and was like "Looks cute maybe he'll like this."
I’m a Kpop fan. I’m an anime fan. I’m a TXT fan. They are Kpop artists and are also adults (all Idols mentioned in article are over the age of 18). They are allowed to have tastes that are different than your own. I also find this ridiculous. Thanks for covering this. It needs to be said.
I respect you as a person now, most people don’t even say things like this so it’s kinda reassuring to see this comment in particular
It kills me how kpop idols are still being treated like babies.
Of course Soobin understands the provocative and "controversial" parts of Made in Abyss, he even says he DOESN'T recommend it.
Idk what more fans want. 💀
I am someone who hates anything "loli" or "shota". There are a few parts that did creep me out, but Made in Abyss is one of my favorite series ever. It is a very unique and emotional journey that is worth watching. You will cry your EYES out. I don't even know how to describe it in words that would do it justice, but trust me. Even though some parts are weird it is a masterpiece. You've never seen anything like it.
The fact that the cast is children is off-putting at times, but MiA wouldn't work if they were not children. There is a reason many horror movies have kids in them. It is a well established fact that using children in horror increases the unease and fear in adult viewers.
Me too.
As an anime watcher, I have my own dislikes when it comes to certain anime tropes and the way some shows portray minors provocatively just for the sake of fanservices and not actually in context with the storyline or attributing to the plot. I have issues with how p word tendencies of some fans are ignored or justified in the anime community.
But this whole thing is just ridiculous.
I bet this came up because Made in Abyss is sort of being talked about online now and kpop stans have to kpop stans and find controversy in every recent events in relations with the idols. Even if they have to backdate and dig out things from past livestreams and interviews. I love some kpop idols myself, but most of the time I wonder if Kpop stans really love their faves. Or are they so sadistic, they try to make life hell for their faves in every way they can?
That's my mine gripe with MIA, I hate loli/sho stuff, same with many incest in anime. I watch a lot of dark shows so it's not like I have a problem with mature content, as long its not glorifying or fetishizing stuff. I bet MIA is a great anime, but if it uses kids for fanservice I think I'll pass.
I cry and punch my pillow just thinking abt the girl who became a white whistle for mc oh my god why yyyyyyyyyyyyy
What's even crazier is that Made In Abyss in Korea is censored to the point where it has 15+ rating and was even BROADCASTED on National Television. And regardless of the censorship do these people believe a country is gonna be airing "pedOphilic" content on national tv for everyone and their kids to see?? Idk but some people really gotta watch what they say instead of throwing out serious allegations against people that ruin their image and going as far as sending dts, creating inappropriate AI images of idols, and just spreading misinformation,, like it's honestly really scary how some of these ppl feel entitled to other people's lives and very concerning.
Soobin always loved adventure anime stories and that's why he was also an anime lover. How can some immature people come and try to cancel him just because he watched a cartoon that was also consored but was publicly published with 15+ age limit and also with millions of view!! These kpoppers need to grow up tbh !! Soobin don't deserve this !! He is also a human like all of us!!
He's not even a hardcore fan of anime, he only watch mainstream one which is most popular
@@NazarFarah-rd1rh some people be acting like this as if a lot of minors didn't watch it before soobin does
Just wanted to clarify somethings : korea has the full version banned and the show is cut and censored to a crazy degree, the rating is 15+ and was aired on television so kids can even watch it, and the word "provocative" means "shocking/crazy" in korean.
also there are some mistranslations : he found it interesting not fun
this whole controversy is stupid af
It’s so dumb, because there’s actually soooo many chill K-pop fans, but they’re not really as noticeable or seen compared to the psycho ones because, well, they’re chill😂 most K-pop fans find these “controversies” so stupid and obnoxiously fabricated while being taken out of context.
the crazy ones are all on twitter. The chill ones are on reddit or not online all the time.
@@Suzashidawn I think there are lots of chill ones on other social media platforms, of course. But yeah, Twitter's always a cesspool of bitterness and anger, I've always steered clear of it.
@@sadiestudies4146 which social media platforms have good kpop communities? I'd presume Tiktok is decent.
@@Suzashidawn well, I'm at least on the positive side of tiktok😂 but, it can get toxic as well. It just depends on what side of everything you're on.
Hi, I follow TXT Soobin. Soobin is a sweet guy and he has already mentioned that it is an anime that he doesn't recommend for someone who find things like this uncomfortable. And he has watched the censored version of MIA and stopped midway through
And I'm really glad you are making a video about this because the hate not only Soobin, but Sakura and Woozi are getting is so unjustified. Most of us are normally not like this I'm really sorry.
I know this thing might not happen again but we recommend not looking through Koreaboo, Pannchoa, Soompi are unreliable and biased "sources"
Also tmi: in one of your vlogs TXT's MV Sugar Rush Ride was actually in the background! 😅
please edit and add that he never watched the uncut version. he watched the version that had none of the controversial scenes.
@@meiznz I SAW IT, SUGAR RUSH RIDE! AND IM SO OVERJOYED!! i think i commented too there ;-;
@@pwqpwqpwqpwqpwqthank you. I forgot to add that
@@ywnzrx_i even linked the MV there but it only got 1 like 🤣🤣 it's okay tho. Was just happy to see it. I believe it's also on Joey's video or Aki's that I saw Chaotic Wonderland advert in the background
Soobin was the most loved idol across the kpop community and now due to this huge spread of misinformation his reputation will forever now be tainted. It’s makes me so upset for him because he is genuinely the most real and sweet idol to everyone but especially his fans. Soobin is even known in the kpop community along with Seventeen Woozi for both being huge anime fans.
This was all a planned attack by trolls in Korea in order to take down very popular idols in their groups. Knetz even realize this is a slander attack because it happens all the time there.
Exactly. Honestly people pretending that this was anything else but your run of the mill manufactured controversy that happens on a regular basis is insane and also just addicted to outrage porn. This whole thing was started by trolls and no kpop fan anywhere from what I've seen has thought of this as anything less than stupid. Just an excuse for people to scream cancel culture and kpop stans are crazy etc. etc. when we're just chilling and tryna enjoy our interests. If no one gave the trolls any attention then this wouldn't be anywhere near the "controversy" that people are pretending that it is.
thank you for defending soobin! these days have been super hard you get attacked if you stan him now and this is probably something that’s gonna be used against him for the rest of his career.. it’s honestly really sad. kpop stan’s act like they care but they don’t in reality they used this just to hate him because they didn’t like him in the first place and wanted to ruin his career. soobin is very amazing idol and has always been kind to both his fans and everyone around him.. this honestly all just sucks!
Thanks for talking about this. Being a kpop fan is so embarrassing like I literally had to stay off twitter for like 3 days till the TL cooled down. The way so many kpop Stans were calling these men the p word. Like it was actually disgusting the shit they were saying about them just cause they mentioned an anime 😭 to think this whole thing started cause Soobin’s haters wanted him cancelled, they couldn’t find one problematic thing so they settled for an anime he mentioned is hilarious 😭
Mad props to the anime community for coming together and defending these kpop idols, i always herd how bad kpop stans can be but this is just another level, that list aswell is wack.
And the fact that those morons attacked the most unproblematic famous idol, like soobin is well loved, even by other celebs. They adore him,while they turning the other way with problematic idols is crazy.
It's hilarious how HxH, AoT and Girls Last Tour etc. just caught all these stray bullets for absolutely no reason xD
I'm currently watching this horseshit from the sidelines , having loved Kpop for about 5 yrs or sth, and me and my friends have discussed just today that us international fans do tend to churn out the classic "tiktok cringe 12 yr old" stans like once in a blue moon, but when I tell you what kind of horrible fucking people most Korean and Twitter fans are, you'll understand quite quickly what an overconcentrated minority is responsible for this. Idk man
@@user-mAfuNqrSe020xExactly, they attacked the most unproblematic, smart and sweetest idol possible lol
I think it's not kpop stan but twitter in general, twitter was mad when they discovered Berserk before
As someone who often hears news about the kpop scene. I am now convinced that kpop haters would literally complain about anything as long as it will put down the person they hate. Much love to the fans that know better.
This was 100% a planned scandal by a few anti fans btw, it happens often when a group gears up for a comeback or during voting season. Scandals are sometimes made up by antis to discourage fans from supporting the idols & have them stop voting, streaming or buying an album. In this case, it started right during the last week of MAMA voting, which is the most popular kpop award show.
So yeah, those who start the rumors & scandals actually do not give a fuck, they just want to hurt the idols, and then the casual puriteen fans turn on their own faves to seem woke
What's so fucked up is it's usually the fans who bring down their idols more than the haters. When they find out something about the idol that doesn't match their idea of what an amazing person they are, they immediately try to bring them down. Not all K-pop fans are like that, but there definitely is a lot more than meets the eye. It's pretty disappointing, honestly
Hi, let me say something as a MOA (name of TXT and Soobin's fandom)… I want to make it clear that the majority of people who criticized and tried to massive cancel Soobin was actually antis and haters who already didn't like TXT itself and who used this to took advantage of the “bad” situation of “hate train” and make him “cancellable” and with this tarnish his image and drag him and the entire TXT group. We MOAs immediately went after to know about everything as soon as this appeared on our timeline… many moas looked for ALL informations about the anime, tried to learn things and search for everything about and even many moas decided to watch the anime themselves to be able to have ownership when explaining and talking about the anime. Most of the MOAs, TXT’s fandom, we didn't give hate and we didn't cancel Soobin because we had the discernment to understand and learn about everything and we actually did this, we’re able to see immediately the distortions on the words used by Soobin and able to see that they were causing all of this with the intention of drag him. MOAs discovered in the end that all of this was intentionally distorted and actually created/fabricated by haters and antis of TXT and thus managed to make kpopers (that already didn’t like TXT before) to bite this hate bait just to have fun canceling him… kpopers haters didn’t care about anything people were explaining and clarifying about the anime and everything. But the thing is the fandom of TXT and Soobin and SOOOO MANY PEOPLE that is not even TXT’s fan and even you guys that loves animes actually debunked things about this controversy! Only the people that hates TXT are actually going on with this spreading distortion things.
As a a kpop stan and a person who loves anime, This is what happens in kpop. Kpop idols gets canceled for pretty much everything which is annoying
As a Kpop fan and a Soobin bias, thank you for this. I think you're right about the translation to the word "fun". An English translation of a Korean word without context can be easily misconstrued because of that missing nuance. Anyway, a bunch of people who are too lazy to do their own research or are just using it for click bait to get views have blown this way out of control. I can't speak for the others but Soobin has a special relationship with his fans where they often discuss what he's watching or listening to, it happens every time he livestreams with the fans. I'm afraid he won't be as open about these things anymore so it's a real shame. But he has a great healthy mindset so I'm believing he'll come through this ok.
Yep, you're right. The word he used are usually meant "interesting".
Why should he not be open about it? I bet he thinks this controversy is stupid too. He should just say fuck you to the haters and do whatever he wants to do lol. Why does he care
I'm both a Kpop stan and an anime fan. I feel embarassed that this is how the kpop community is now. Everyone should be able to love what they want and also Made in Abyss has a lot more story to it if they sat there and actually watched it or read about it
Most of txt fans actually did research and tried to debunked whole claims but witch hunt is already going on specially against soobin.
Thank you for talking about it and giving different perspective.
ps: TXT singing op for Solo leveling anime which will be out in January 🙌
As someone who's favourite anime is MIA, I will say that if I ever reccomend the anime, I will always give a heads up and warn about the more obscure scenes. That being said, made in abyss is a really well made anime. The character design, the animation, Kevin's osts, the overall world experience, the story... I have never been so amused and submerged in a story. This k-pop idols should be able to enjoy this beautifull work of art without any backlash.
Not referring to all Kpop stans but those who are the haters and cancelling Kpop Idols just because of such issues such as their Idols liking anime(MIA etc) is just dumb and ridiculous. These Kpop stans are just toxic. Just leave these Kpop Idols alone and find another Kpop Idol that would fit your 'prince/princess-like cool/stunning' image that only does cool things since you lack taste for a good and well written story/anime/manga.
Fr, they get to confortable behind their screen to hate on ppl. Like try to become an idol yourself
i bet theyre just 13 year olds
I was so confused abt the situation thank you for the explanation Joey. Istg being a casual kpop Stan and anime enjoyer is tough now 😭
At this point, just don't interact with the fandom except for asking for recommendations. 😒
Not tough at all. Just enjoy what you enjoy and block people who vomit all over your timeline
kpop is fine but the fandom is so annoying sometimes
just a reminder, that article has a lot of mistranslation. woozi NEVER recommended made in abyss and he listed it as something he watched during A WORLD TOUR. what makes it worse is that this live happened a year ago. and additionally, korea's censorship of media pretty much removed all the weirder scenes in the anime since they are strict with content.
It doesn’t matter if he recommended it or not lol. You people need to get a life
@@mookiestewart3776 it really doesn't lol. the whole thing is when the kpop industry has and continue to have problems with exploitation of children yet this is the thing that they made a big deal of.
@@mookiestewart3776 Oh shut up.
It actually didn’t remove most of these scenes, it’s something fans made up to save their asses. Not that they need saving, but it was the intend behind it.
@@HopeeInkit depends cause where'd you get that info? (Genuine question). For example, in China some games aren't available for them due to censorship (unrelevant to anime but what I know), so they make games available for all audiences. Such as idv (what I play) is like the "safe" game version of dead by daylight (which is goresome). So yes, in some countries, censorship does exist unless you play or watch it in a specific website to expose you to the whole thing.
While I'm not fluent in Korean, Soobin used the verb 재미있다 which can be, and usually is, translated to mean "to be fun" but can also mean "to be interesting." Whether intentional or not (though I do have my own opinion) someone messed up the translation and made a bunch of foreign stans think that Soobin was calling the anime fun.
What confuses me is that by getting super upset at these idols, we are implying that its unacceptable to consume media that tell stories that are dark and disturbing AND that by consuming that media we are condoning the messed up things portrayed in the media. I am not an anime fan at all, but I am a kpop stan and have been for almost 10 years and I can say that the community is full of extremely young and naieve women most of whom have a huge heart towards suffering and have been trained by the internet to be hyper reactionary when it comes to being defensive over groups of vulnerable people. However, when you walk around with a hammer everything starts to look like a nail. It is sickening the number of adult men that prey on underage folks, that is an absolute fact. I think though we all agree that the consumption of media that contains graphic scenes and messed up premices doesn't necessarily mean that you condone that character or that behavior. While I have absolute compassion for those who feel the need to stay on alert from creeps it is not okay to call people disgusting names over what is, at its core, a nothing burger
I fought with my best friend because she didn't watch made in abyss but she was talking about it as if the whole series contained fetishes and sexual stuff...basing her arguments on some tweets she read...Like bruh if it was really like that do you really think I would have recommended it to you, let alone watch it and praise it like I did? What the fuck. She had the audacity to say "i wonder why people didn't talk about it before" and I said "because the anime community is chill [compared to the kpop community]" and she was like "well maybe I don't want to be chill about literal p*dop*rnography" and that's when I realised yet again just how immature some people can be
Get better friends.
I don't think you should consider her a best friend anymore
Sir...be for real...anime does have a severe problem with sexualising minors, so no it's not a stretch that people would reach that point.
@@hadrianhexe9603But that doesn't mean you should be demonising people and accusing them of something they didn't do.
Your right, it does have a problem but not every anime does this.
@@sagemaster1357 Noone said every anime does it but it's a good chunk of them and whenever someone mentions it, people try to give every excuse under sun that it's ok, trying to gaslight people into think they are sensitive and wrong for being mad. So how on earth do you expect people to take ya'll serious?
Soobin is the sweetest i can't explain how happy he gets while talking about anime i fear it won't be the same now. These kpop fans are lethal pretty sure they've all watched squid games and read fanfictions sexualizing their minor idols and draw the line at media their idols consume.
1:37 I started smiling when Joey called Soobin a cutie. Because yes, he is, in fact, a cutie. Not Joey mispronouncing ATEEZ as "ah-tees" and not "ey-teez"😂😂
honestly made in abyss is one of my favorite shows and i cant wait for it to finish but those short scenes really did throw me off and they do really stick even if it was a few seconds especially since there is literally no practical purpose of the scenes being there so they couldve just not added it
As a korean
I apologize for our dumpsterfire
This dumpsterfire was caused by weird fans on twt, it’s not Koreans as a whole’s fault
Nah it's just the crazy fans. No need to apologise
nah the international audience is the problem
can i ask, did soobin actually mean the anime is fun or did he mean something else with the expression? like maybe the article translated it wrong lol
@@tayahangysl7751 it was mostly knetz i believe lol, but lets just say it's toxic fans
Thank you for defending Soobin in this…. He did nothing wrong, the anime is actually censored in Korea as well and is rated 15 + so insane to cancel a grown man for something teenagers can watch on live television
as a kpop stan, i agree. people on twitter are crazy, going as far as calling people who watch made in abyss pedos.. actually insane
Animes fans are like that too. Especially, with shows like Uzaki chan, Miss Kobayashi's dragon maid, my tiny senpai
The Twitter insane asylum calls everyone they dislike incels, pedos, racists or whatever when you disagree with them on the most trivial stuff.
@@sagemaster1357"anime fans"
Most of the kpop idols didn’t even said they recommend MIA… just said they recently watched it. Kpop stans really think they can control what idols can do in their life. The saesangs stalking their idols and cancel them for getting married is also horrendous. The stories that surrounds them is disgusting.
These toxic k-pop stans need to be sat down and forced to watch Oshi no Ko, force them to look in a mirror
They'd probably refused to. They are super delusional.
don't worry it wouldn't help. at least not with the type of stans who are only looking to start fanwars, and a lot of them love yelling how important mental health is in one breath and then telling people to off themselves in another.
being both a kpop fan and anime fan is tiring right now. kpop stans need to touch more grass and stop with this parasocial relationship nonsense. like, they are real people.
as a huge kpop stan and an ult moa (txt/soobin's group is my favourite group, my pfp is a member from txt) i think this whole trend of puriteens deciding what's "okay" to watch and what's "problematic" to watch is just frustrating. with the explosion of social media and the internet, it feels like every single user is hyperaware of what they're watching just so they can make sure their slate is perfectly crisp and clean, out of fear of getting cancelled, and they lash out on other people out of self defense when they start getting scrutiny. soobin being the center of this was actually a cause of a known group of internet trolls, but it illuminates a huge fault in teens/young adults growing up on social media. people need to expose themselves to "problematic" media in general so they have a grasp of what their personal boundaries are, and those boundaries should stay personal!! not everyone can tolerate the same level of reprehensible media and that's okay!!! if your bias liking a certain kind of media has you in such arms, just unstan and move on with your life. the moment we as the consumer audience try to enforce "the line" of "what's right and what's wrong", we fall into censorship adjacent territories and it's like. get a life. move on. disconnect from the internet.
tldr: you can't decide someone else's moral grounds, and trying to police it just makes you a cunt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ made in abyss is straight fire i would sell my pc set up to meet kevin penkin
The controversy is dead now. An idol from a popular group was friends with a new idol who has been surrounded by controversy recently, and the way things move in the kpop community is once the floodgates open the internet people move like locusts devouring anything and everything that could put anyone under scrutiny. And this controversy was just another attempt at character defamation. This is how the community acts unfortunately and stuff like this happens all the time. There have been SO MANY idols that have been removed from their groups and had their careers ruined based off of literal rumors.
I'm an anime fan and a K-pop fan but this is crazy. I'm on the side of the anime fans and the idols. They don't deserve slander for liking great shows and people shouldn't be judging them for it if they don't know what the show is like having not watched it.
TXT's Soobin is quite literally my favorite idol and I've also watched ALL of Made in Abyss (not to mention it is probably in my top 3 favorite anime), so its not an understatement to say that I was annoyed and confused asf whenever I saw this controversy pop up on my timeline. I mean there were SO many kpop stans (even my mutuals bc yes, unfortunately, I am on kpop twt) calling the people who watched the anime: ped*philes, misogynistic perverts and r*pe apologists. And these tweets had 30k-50k likes, like I was so astonished and extremely appalled that REAL people were saying this crap, agreeing, and throwing around those words like nothing. I just did not know how people with functional brains could output that watching an animated show = you support all of the content within it, agree with it, and exhibit those qualities in real like. Like WTF happened to yall's brain??? NORMAL PEOPLE can separate FICTION from REALITY. Human beings know what is right and wrong and just because you consume content that is problematic, does not mean you think it's correct. ts pissed me off so bad.
Anyways, TXT will be the OST artists for the Solo Leveling anime so be sure to check it out once it releases.
Hi everyone. These days was so hard for me as MOA (Tomorrow X Together, which soobin is one of the member fan) and saw how you guys are being so sweet in the comments section really bring me to tears and lift up all weight on my chest. I'm really thankful ♡
By the way, Tomorrow X Together will release will release an OST for Solo Traveling, please give it lots of love too!
People who aren't stupid enough to assume things like those people did on twitter knows that soobin did nothing wrong. I know he is really sweet please support him the best way that you can
Tbh are people really that angry ? I am a k-pop fan but not in k-pop Twitter . This whole thing is so unnecessary? I feel bad for them . Getting shit for no reason . Soobin is so nice .
@@nobitanobi3475 One person block another because of jujutsu kaisen and called them a ped0 lol so there are people that **that** angry
I remember how this unfolding. That is one of the most unhinged twitter experience.
Many people who canceled those idol also sexualized them in the same account. It was bizarre to say the least.
As a kpop stan and anime fan I would like to say I am not part of fandom that is canceling this idols for random reasons, not all of us are crazy like you think and some of us are actually adults. With that being said these idols can watch whatever anime they want like come on they are all adults not kids! Just because you watch something that deals with heavy topics/problematic actions doesn't mean you accept those actions! I mean look at the countless movies that deal with similar topic and a lot of people enjoy watching it and I don't hear people canceling someone because they enjoy that type of thing! My point is that this whole situation got way blown out of proportion!
That's exactly my thoughts. I'm a kpop stan too and I watched made in abyss at 2017 and when I read about the controversy with soobin and more idols I was like, are you serious? I even found a thread calling them p3d0s like wth. They didn't research ANYTHING ABOUT THE ANIME. What's wrong with people these days...
@Minhos-cats-stealer143 That's the reason because I dont wanna interact with kpop stans anymore. Kpop is fully of stupid fanwars, sexualization of minor idols and now cancellation culture. TXT boys are unproblematic and see they are trying to cancell soobin for watching an anime It's really sad...