I enjoy the interviews you do with the engineers. I don't see that on many of the other automotive journalist channels. It's fun to see who is behind the development of these vehicles/engines and hear from them on what went into their decision making on the product.
Don’t get me wrong the vehicle looks amazing and Suburbans have been around for nearly 90 years, but in this economy, the rich get richer, the middle class get poorer. A suburban is 60k pretty bare bones. Impossible. Great post Tim, keep it up!
Im thinking the only time I will ever see the interior or feel the ride of one of these things is if Im put in cuffs and taken to a re- eduction center.
I've always wanted the Duramax in the Z71 (and AT4). Then I checked out the price of diesel this week at various points across the country and I'm seeing a 20-40% bump over regular gas (for the 5.3). Those prices might erase the value element of the Duramax.
not really. I was averaging 19.1MPG on my gasser and currently 26.4MPG on the 3.0. Not to mention the torque is available immediately. The 3.0 is a much better match for a light duty pickup.
@@davidporter7051 Been driving GM trucks (K-Blazers and a Yukon) since 1981. I likely would have bought an AT4 if they would have previously built them with the Duramax. Now that the refresh has been delayed another year, it looks like I'll be changing brands. For the same dough I'll likely be in a Lexus GX by the spring, even though their new engine is thirsty..
@@ktpinnacle this really doesn't make sense. You say you're buying a Lexus because you can't get AT4 with a Diesel but you are buying a Toyota with an inefficient gaser.
I don't care for the presence based opening rear hatch. My Kia has it, and I disabled it because I had a situation when it opened on me because I walked behind my vehicle, and it opened up when I didn't want it to.
Im actually thrilled that the 2025 Z71 is going to offer the Diesel engine. My 2024 Tahoe premier is in transit form factory to dealer but I was never excited about it - always wanted the Z71 with Diesel and adaptive air suspension. I will skip on the 2024 and wait to get what Ive been waiting for. I just wished you had also showed the interior dash and info system on the Tahoe Z71 - is the layout the same as the Suburban you showed? Finally, did you notice the location of the trailer break controller (still left of steering wheel or moved to right side)?
Thanks for the information. A couple questions: 1. Are the seats in all trims being updated and made to be more comfortable? 2. Is the new infotainment worth waiting for the 2025s to come out? I have not used the new info system in other Chevy products.
YAYYYYYYYY IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY FINALLY GO TO 7000 RPM SINCE THE ESCALADE V NOT THE SAME OUTDATED OLD-SCHOOL 6000 CRAP THAT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1996 FOR 28 YEARS!!!!!!! (An exception is that 2021 all trims with the gas options and as well as 2022-current LS trims had 6500 actually). Hopefully this means the Silverado/Sierra will share the same gauges too...? The Colorado/Canyon even got it lol
Honestly surprised they aren’t offering the 2.7L turbo engine like they do in the Silverado. It’s such a good motor for towing. Where’s the 2025 Silverado and Sierra?
Genuine question: In my country, Diesel is always cheaper than gas and by quite a good margin. Here in the US, is the opposite, at least in TX. Why is that and why would I buy a Diesel car then?
Is there a way to order the H.C Suburban WITHOUT the panoramic sunroof? That sunroof is a deal breaker for me. I just see myself having to fix it every year😢and in Colorado we get too many hail storms. I'm not risking ruining the inside of a 6 figure vehicle
How many of those *amazing* features will be subscription based? Seems to be where the OEMs are going to nowadays like Ford with the 360 camera that NOW WILL NEED A SUBSCRIPTION! Sad really.
2025? Let’s get through the 2024s first. 3L diesel is a good idea, but we need to compute cost per mile to compare Gas to diesel based on per gallon cost and mpg.
Can you mirror your navigation in those screens?! I ask because, being a chauffeur, it’d be great for clients concerned about traffic and their destination’s ETA.
Ugh I am so upset they held back a year for the new lift. Was really hoping that it would have been in the 2024 line as I have been planning to buy one this coming year. Looks like I will be stuck to a 2024 suburban high country with the lm2 diesel
I wonder if they will offer the max tow package with a 2 speed transfer case on these things. They currently will not allow you to package both together on ‘24 Silverado’s unless you buy the high country. Ford doesn’t build any F series with a 1 speed transfer case and all you to package anything together. It’s GM cutting corners in my opinion. I get these vehicles are luxury, but I’m not paying that kind of money for a vehicle that doesn’t have 4lo when it easily could.
I have a '22 Yukon XL SLE (lowest trim level) with Max Tow Pkg and it has the 2-speed transfer case. Unless they change the configuration for '25, you should be able to get the 2-speed transfer case on any trim level as long as you spec Max Tow.
Any chance at better towing numbers? Something like the max trailering pack that they ran into supply issues with on the ‘22 Silverado. Gotta get this thing over 10k. No excuse when you have a powertrain that can handle it.
@@pech_wake_day1153 $83k for a High Country Suburban diesel right now. You think the new one will increase the price by $17k? No way. That's Escalade territory and doesn't make any marketing sense.
I got rear ended in my 2023 High Country back in October. It’s still in the shop waiting on parts and it is not looking good to have the parts in by February 2024. 😡
Be sure not to ask him about whether this diesel has the oil pump belt at the rear of the engine like with the 3.0L Silverado diesel which requires the cab to be removed just to change the belt, a nightmare. Also, don't show any video of the engine or how it is to maintain it; instead, show the guy standing there talking away. And, of course, don't show it start or drive at all.
All these cool gadgets and technology is cool and all, but could we use some of the budget to work on reliability? I would love to see a 2020+ year GM product make it past 30k miles without having a major failure. Use all that extra money from sales and put together a continuous improvement group or reliability engineering group. Just a thought….
Good luck with that garbage they call a 3rd row. I'll be leaving the Toyota brand because of it. I need 3 real rows and flat folding seats and 8k towing.
Hey Tim do they have a release date for gmc too? I preordered one and they told me it will be a 2024 I hope they will make the new model since i hate those push and pull shifter
Just doesn’t make sense the Silverado tows up to 13200 but this is rated at 8200🤦♂️ same diesel engine same rear same transmission why not the same tow rating or at least close to it
It’s a heavier vehicle to start with. And a majority of people don’t need that. They used to make a 2500 suburban. But they try to satisfy the masses while not sacrificing ride quality.
Great video answers so many questions i had!!! One question I always have b4 i buy anything. Can I leave the suv idle manually lock the door with the key ? I leave my cars run while in a store because dog is in the car
You can turn off the vehicle then do a remote start. Much safer that way. If broken into while remote started they can't drive it off vs if you locked it while idle in park.
@@krisv6496 I can't say for sure. It was an option on the prior generation. The 2025 model pricing and packaging hasn't been revealed yet and until it is, we simply don't know.
We dont want all this bullsh!!!!!tttt. Has anyone else got that creepy feeling about that built in camera feature that allows you to look into the vehicle. They assure you you have to opt into it to view it. Cant imagine the govt not watching US citizens in their cars with this tech😵💫😵💫😵💫
The only people that can afford these are politicians, business people, professional althetes. What GM needs to build is a 2 door Tahoe, with a removable fiberglass roof, a roll bar. front & rear solid axles, vinyl or cloth seats, 5.3 V-8, or the diesel. Basic dash, decontented. And price it below $35,000. And they would sell 300,000 easy.
Toyota says they can’t sell a base 2 door, 2wd Tacoma cheaper than about $31k. You think GM could do a “full-size” suv with your specs for only 4k more? I don’t think they are selling the Colorado for under $40k can they?
Do you think the third iteration of the same basic diesel engine will workout? Or will there be a 4th, or 5th iteration, before GM goes belly up! Instead of screwing the stock holders maybe they will go after warranty repairs?
Every steering wheel on every car looks that same. I like a 4 prong steering wheel and not one vehicle that I like offers it. The Cadillac XT5, I think.
Why are they calling these 2025, when it's not even 2024 yet? They need to start adding cooling seats as standard equipment since KIA and Hyundai offer them in the front and back seats!! Come on GM
@@PickuptrucktalkTalking about the new model two model years forward of the actual year is indeed a new thing. Just one more silly thing that is now new in the post 2020 world. Very silly stuff.
@@Pickuptrucktalk yeah talking prototypes and stuff not having the actual model built and in your face two years in advance. It was always one year and the new vehicle usually came out around sept.
Cheesy tech, kids want to use their cellphones or iPad… the hardware running behind those screens are trash and their software support life and scope will be short and small.
I have to agree, maybe my kids are spoiled but they all have much more functionality in iPads and they prefer it. It's fine as long as it is optional equipment, I pass on the entertainment and sunroof personally.
Where did you see that? All the major journalist outfits say 305hp and 495lb-ft. Edit, saw 2:50 but I think that is a slip of the tongue (maybe he was thinking of 430lb-fr for their 2.7 Turbo engine).
Do you think the government agencies who drive these monsters care about the price, reliability or fuel mileage? Probably not. Do you think the average tax payer who is paying for the government agencies to drive around in these will ever be able to afford one? No
Fed Government won’t be buying/leasing the diesel in most cases. BIG push for EV or hybrid, then comes e85. Reliability is kind of important, regardless of whether you’re using it for personal, private company or government use, nobody wants to be stuck waiting on a tow truck.
You clearly don't drive through my child's middle school parent pickup/drop-off line. Though I will say I see more higher trim GMCs than Chevrolets. There are definitely consumers buying them, I'd venture to say these large GM products are the most popular in the line of parents shepherding their kids to school.
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Kudos for keeping the column shifter. Gives so much more room in the center console. The column shifter is up out of the way. Perfect.
So much room could fit a huge pass through😮
I enjoy the interviews you do with the engineers. I don't see that on many of the other automotive journalist channels. It's fun to see who is behind the development of these vehicles/engines and hear from them on what went into their decision making on the product.
I like this format of review. Low key and personal. 👍
I’m sure no one will be able to afford these. (Middle class and lower).
Sales are strong.
I agree. Middle class and lower can’t afford these unless they are financially illiterate and allow the banks to get them for 84 months
Don’t get me wrong the vehicle looks amazing and Suburbans have been around for nearly 90 years, but in this economy, the rich get richer, the middle class get poorer. A suburban is 60k pretty bare bones. Impossible. Great post Tim, keep it up!
You won’t afford it, there are people who can
@@kromahj very intelligent contribution to this conversation 🤦
Im thinking the only time I will ever see the interior or feel the ride of one of these things is if Im put in cuffs and taken to a re- eduction center.
And Biden can be watching you the whole way on his DOJ cabin camera app.
I've always wanted the Duramax in the Z71 (and AT4). Then I checked out the price of diesel this week at various points across the country and I'm seeing a 20-40% bump over regular gas (for the 5.3). Those prices might erase the value element of the Duramax.
not really. I was averaging 19.1MPG on my gasser and currently 26.4MPG on the 3.0. Not to mention the torque is available immediately. The 3.0 is a much better match for a light duty pickup.
@@davidporter7051 Was it a 5.3? 91 and diesel are about the same in many places.
@@ktpinnacle yes and I'm not disputing the fuel prices but the 3.0 is the best engine option IMHO.
@@davidporter7051 Been driving GM trucks (K-Blazers and a Yukon) since 1981. I likely would have bought an AT4 if they would have previously built them with the Duramax. Now that the refresh has been delayed another year, it looks like I'll be changing brands. For the same dough I'll likely be in a Lexus GX by the spring, even though their new engine is thirsty..
@@ktpinnacle this really doesn't make sense. You say you're buying a Lexus because you can't get AT4 with a Diesel but you are buying a Toyota with an inefficient gaser.
Can’t wait for this to come out!Gonna lease one of these, I want to get the Suburban but my wife wants the Tahoe
I don't care for the presence based opening rear hatch. My Kia has it, and I disabled it because I had a situation when it opened on me because I walked behind my vehicle, and it opened up when I didn't want it to.
Oh my these are beautiful 😊
I have a 2010 Cadillac Escalade and I just use my key to open the back. It is quite easy to use that way to open the back
Im actually thrilled that the 2025 Z71 is going to offer the Diesel engine. My 2024 Tahoe premier is in transit form factory to dealer but I was never excited about it - always wanted the Z71 with Diesel and adaptive air suspension. I will skip on the 2024 and wait to get what Ive been waiting for. I just wished you had also showed the interior dash and info system on the Tahoe Z71 - is the layout the same as the Suburban you showed? Finally, did you notice the location of the trailer break controller (still left of steering wheel or moved to right side)?
I didn’t notice where it was. Sorry.
Still left-side from the videos and pictures.
Thanks
Ask them when are they going to bring back the K-5
Beautiful high country
Thanks so much for sharing this review Tom
Thanks for the information. A couple questions:
1. Are the seats in all trims being updated and made to be more comfortable?
2. Is the new infotainment worth waiting for the 2025s to come out? I have not used the new info system in other Chevy products.
YAYYYYYYYY IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY FINALLY GO TO 7000 RPM SINCE THE ESCALADE V NOT THE SAME OUTDATED OLD-SCHOOL 6000 CRAP THAT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1996 FOR 28 YEARS!!!!!!!
(An exception is that 2021 all trims with the gas options and as well as 2022-current LS trims had 6500 actually).
Hopefully this means the Silverado/Sierra will share the same gauges too...? The Colorado/Canyon even got it lol
Honestly surprised they aren’t offering the 2.7L turbo engine like they do in the Silverado. It’s such a good motor for towing. Where’s the 2025 Silverado and Sierra?
Nothing really new for 2025 so don’t expect videos anytime soon.
Genuine question: In my country, Diesel is always cheaper than gas and by quite a good margin. Here in the US, is the opposite, at least in TX.
Why is that and why would I buy a Diesel car then?
Just depends on supply and demand.
Is there a way to order the H.C Suburban WITHOUT the panoramic sunroof? That sunroof is a deal breaker for me. I just see myself having to fix it every year😢and in Colorado we get too many hail storms. I'm not risking ruining the inside of a 6 figure vehicle
What about the oil usage issues with the LZO diesel? Has this been fixed??
We want supercruise on z71. Great review 👍 best on the net
Very nice . But we aren’t even into 2024 yet . I get it at least if one wants to compare it’s there .
MY24 likely to be a short-run half model year run since they've lifted the curtain on the '25s.
How many of those *amazing* features will be subscription based? Seems to be where the OEMs are going to nowadays like Ford with the 360 camera that NOW WILL NEED A SUBSCRIPTION! Sad really.
2025? Let’s get through the 2024s first. 3L diesel is a good idea, but we need to compute cost per mile to compare Gas to diesel based on per gallon cost and mpg.
What happens as I try to open the rear hatch window? Will the entire lift gate open as well as I am using the rear hatch?
Are the seats softer on those? The current ones are so hard.
Haven’t spent enough time behind the wheel yet to get a feel for them.
Can you mirror your navigation in those screens?! I ask because, being a chauffeur, it’d be great for clients concerned about traffic and their destination’s ETA.
Very good 100km how many litres?
Ugh I am so upset they held back a year for the new lift. Was really hoping that it would have been in the 2024 line as I have been planning to buy one this coming year. Looks like I will be stuck to a 2024 suburban high country with the lm2 diesel
this is being release in fall 2024 as 25 model year.
I ran out of gas in my 1991 Grand Wagoneer in Kickapoo, Iowa.
I wonder if they will offer the max tow package with a 2 speed transfer case on these things. They currently will not allow you to package both together on ‘24 Silverado’s unless you buy the high country. Ford doesn’t build any F series with a 1 speed transfer case and all you to package anything together. It’s GM cutting corners in my opinion. I get these vehicles are luxury, but I’m not paying that kind of money for a vehicle that doesn’t have 4lo when it easily could.
I have a '22 Yukon XL SLE (lowest trim level) with Max Tow Pkg and it has the 2-speed transfer case. Unless they change the configuration for '25, you should be able to get the 2-speed transfer case on any trim level as long as you spec Max Tow.
Z71 Diesel Tahoe W/T built to tow and haul without all the extras, Please
It needs a split tailgate like the old days, half down and window up.
Had that on my '99 Suburban. Loved it! My '99 also had a 42 gallon gas tank, and the 350 engine. I could go 700 miles before filling up.
I like the barn doors from my 91 😊
Any chance at better towing numbers? Something like the max trailering pack that they ran into supply issues with on the ‘22 Silverado. Gotta get this thing over 10k. No excuse when you have a powertrain that can handle it.
Nice interior upgrades. 100k starting price easily.
Nah.
@@Pickuptrucktalk for the high country??? Bet.
@@pech_wake_day1153 $83k for a High Country Suburban diesel right now. You think the new one will increase the price by $17k? No way. That's Escalade territory and doesn't make any marketing sense.
I got rear ended in my 2023 High Country back in October. It’s still in the shop waiting on parts and it is not looking good to have the parts in by February 2024. 😡
Be sure not to ask him about whether this diesel has the oil pump belt at the rear of the engine like with the 3.0L Silverado diesel which requires the cab to be removed just to change the belt, a nightmare. Also, don't show any video of the engine or how it is to maintain it; instead, show the guy standing there talking away. And, of course, don't show it start or drive at all.
I liked the shorter version of the Tahoe!
All these cool gadgets and technology is cool and all, but could we use some of the budget to work on reliability? I would love to see a 2020+ year GM product make it past 30k miles without having a major failure. Use all that extra money from sales and put together a continuous improvement group or reliability engineering group. Just a thought….
GMs already offers a 100,000 mile warranty.
Any 3.0L AT4X versions? Thanks, Tim.
No update from GMC on the Yukon as of yet.
The Chevy looks great! I am going with Toyota!!!
Good luck with that garbage they call a 3rd row. I'll be leaving the Toyota brand because of it. I need 3 real rows and flat folding seats and 8k towing.
@@Ducs4lifeExactly! I want a BIG backend to store all my fishing/ camping equipment. Toyota just isn't big enough!
Hey Tim do they have a release date for gmc too? I preordered one and they told me it will be a 2024 I hope they will make the new model since i hate those push and pull shifter
I've heard nothing from GMC.
So z71 is a trim now? Used to be an option.
Is there a target production/introduction date for the 2025 Z71?
All they say is later this year.
Just doesn’t make sense the Silverado tows up to 13200 but this is rated at 8200🤦♂️ same diesel engine same rear same transmission why not the same tow rating or at least close to it
It’s a heavier vehicle to start with. And a majority of people don’t need that. They used to make a 2500 suburban. But they try to satisfy the masses while not sacrificing ride quality.
Great video answers so many questions i had!!! One question I always have b4 i buy anything. Can I leave the suv idle manually lock the door with the key ? I leave my cars run while in a store because dog is in the car
You can turn off the vehicle then do a remote start. Much safer that way. If broken into while remote started they can't drive it off vs if you locked it while idle in park.
WHEN WILL IT BE AVAILABLE?!
No specific date. Later in 2024 is the only official statement.
Running out of diesel is almost as bad as running out of Electricity!!
Any off road goodies for the Z71? ELSD?
Nothing equipment wise has changed.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Do you know if it has the elsd? And which package combination gets you that. Thanks.
@@krisv6496 I can't say for sure. It was an option on the prior generation. The 2025 model pricing and packaging hasn't been revealed yet and until it is, we simply don't know.
We dont want all this bullsh!!!!!tttt. Has anyone else got that creepy feeling about that built in camera feature that allows you to look into the vehicle. They assure you you have to opt into it to view it. Cant imagine the govt not watching US citizens in their cars with this tech😵💫😵💫😵💫
So cool.see 2025 3500 Daully. Please don't for get the little wirk guys
Is it just mpg that they are going Diesel?
A big buying reason is mpg for the diesel.
What kind and make tires?
The only people that can afford these are politicians, business people, professional althetes. What GM needs to build is a 2 door Tahoe, with a removable fiberglass roof, a roll bar.
front & rear solid axles, vinyl or cloth seats, 5.3 V-8, or the diesel. Basic dash, decontented. And price it below $35,000. And they would sell 300,000 easy.
They built those back in the 1990s.
Toyota says they can’t sell a base 2 door, 2wd Tacoma cheaper than about $31k. You think GM could do a “full-size” suv with your specs for only 4k more? I don’t think they are selling the Colorado for under $40k can they?
right need more base model suvs, something in low 40s at the most.
All the added electronics in the higher-end packages are very concerning, given GM’s history of electrical problems.
Do you think the third iteration of the same basic diesel engine will workout? Or will there be a 4th, or 5th iteration, before GM goes belly up! Instead of screwing the stock holders maybe they will go after warranty repairs?
I'd be surprised if there is a 3rd gen considering the rising emissions standards.
Magnetic shocks aren’t new. I have it on my 2014 Vette Z51 package
Perhaps new for the Tahoe/Suburban?
Every steering wheel on every car looks that same. I like a 4 prong steering wheel and not one vehicle that I like offers it. The Cadillac XT5, I think.
I believe more gentlemen will buy these vehicles being they can come with a diesel.
Why are they calling these 2025, when it's not even 2024 yet? They need to start adding cooling seats as standard equipment since KIA and Hyundai offer them in the front and back seats!! Come on GM
2025? It isnt even 2024. I guess this new model year designation system is to benefit the dealers when these things sit on the lot for 459 days.
Model years don't reflect actual years. Never worked that way.
@@PickuptrucktalkTalking about the new model two model years forward of the actual year is indeed a new thing. Just one more silly thing that is now new in the post 2020 world. Very silly stuff.
@@pryme2013 what? Its been this way for as long as I can remember.
@@Pickuptrucktalk yeah talking prototypes and stuff not having the actual model built and in your face two years in advance. It was always one year and the new vehicle usually came out around sept.
@@pryme2013 you mean spy photos of the next-gen and talking about what it could be? That's been a thing for decades.
Show us the z71 interior
I shot this video a month ago.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Perhaps next time then.
No super cruise on Z71?? Seriously Clark?! But the lower trim levels LT and RST get it. That makes zero sense!
Irrelevant information because no one cares about stuff they could never afford to own!
Cameras are scary.
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bought new 6 tahoes and yukons,over the years,to expensive now.
Nothing but problems with the 3.0L diesel 😢
What are these gonna cost?? 100k plus ....maybe I'm just poor, but WTF can afford this stuff?
They don’t cost $100k plus and people buy these like crazy.
Way too much big brother intervention capabilities built into these things. That would put me off. That and the price tag.
Cheesy tech, kids want to use their cellphones or iPad… the hardware running behind those screens are trash and their software support life and scope will be short and small.
Do you like anything besides Tesla?
I have to agree, maybe my kids are spoiled but they all have much more functionality in iPads and they prefer it. It's fine as long as it is optional equipment, I pass on the entertainment and sunroof personally.
Please don't talk so fast.
An in car camera that’s always recording and sending video the Government Motors…no thanks.
Too many cameras. Electronics bs.
The suburban has less torque compared to the Silverado which has 495 lb ft tq
Where did you see that? All the major journalist outfits say 305hp and 495lb-ft.
Edit, saw 2:50 but I think that is a slip of the tongue (maybe he was thinking of 430lb-fr for their 2.7 Turbo engine).
Engineer was said the wrong number
Dang. I forgot to edit that out. Yeah slip of his tongue.
okay so GM is copying Tesla integrated cameras.. Got it.
Gm made a fantastic electric car when Musk was still shitting in diapers. Got it.
@@pryme2013 Lol!
Do you think the government agencies who drive these monsters care about the price, reliability or fuel mileage? Probably not.
Do you think the average tax payer who is paying for the government agencies to drive around in these will ever be able to afford one? No
I see Tahoes and Suburbans all the time driven by consumers. They are very popular.
@Pickuptrucktalk When I see them they seem to be driven by women? Did you notice that too?
Fed Government won’t be buying/leasing the diesel in most cases. BIG push for EV or hybrid, then comes e85. Reliability is kind of important, regardless of whether you’re using it for personal, private company or government use, nobody wants to be stuck waiting on a tow truck.
You clearly don't drive through my child's middle school parent pickup/drop-off line. Though I will say I see more higher trim GMCs than Chevrolets. There are definitely consumers buying them, I'd venture to say these large GM products are the most popular in the line of parents shepherding their kids to school.
Terrible interior
How does it compare to the Denali?
Can’t say since the new Yukon Denali isn’t out yet.
Will the new LZO use oil?
Probably. Not an OMO issue. I had one and it was really not that big of a deal if you weren’t towing everyday.