Just a few things... I was trying to give you guys some content after a long exhausting trip overseas, so I am sorry if it's not of the highest quality. I swear I am still jet-lagged. Also I really should have picked a non blower card to show a better example, but I have yet to find a 7+ year old virgin card that hasn't had the paste changed. Oh well, not every video is a banger lol. As for the keyboard, It will be USA and Canada shipping only. When I hit 5k subs I'll be doing a gift card giveaway that will be worldwide as a thank you to everyone, especially those fans who are not on this continent.
new to building computers and I have wanted to find a tech youtuber that I could watch and watching this video was just so calming and relaxing it wasn't all over the place with things I just loved this video. Keep up the good work and I hope your channel grows more.
I've got several older cards and it's super hit and miss whether or not new paste helps. I've seen as much as a 16 degree drop and as little as nothing at all. Either way, good to service them regardless
Yeah, I have definitely seen variables like that before. Honestly it's just been so long since I have used a blower card, I sorta forgot how they worked. Appreciate the comment.
Loved what you did on the original Intel stutter issue, and would enjoy hearing your thoughts now that chips are actually dying. I get this feeling that tech companies are squeezing those safety margins really hard lately. Melting connectors, degrading silicon, sub-par thermal paste, etc.
Thanks man, yeah I have made a few on it but was thinking about complying all the issues Into one video. There's now quite a bit of hypocrisy from Intel. All the finger pointing, and confusion. I think I'll wait until August and do a video on the patch and if it doesn't help in anyway, I'll go full on and make a dedicated video of everything, compiling other tech channels and my thoughts. Thanks man for always giving great input.
@@techwandoUS Haha, I am not a big keyboard guy. I also have more than I need. Give it to someone who needs it. Also, you got my support. This can maybe win someone else over. :)
Just saw your comment on Bryans video, and had to come see what you are up too. Huge thumbs up on this video. I have a three 92m fan setup, and also a two 120m setup that I just screw into the Pci bracket right below a card to test its thermals with a fan control dial. Blower cards are crazy cooled like this, unleashed. 1080ti has a place in my Soul. Hahaha!
Hey man, yeah took a while to find a card that wasn't cracked open already, blowers are kinda crazy when you think about how they operate. Appreciate you checking out the vid.
Seems like the quality of just about everything dropped noticeably during/after CViD. Shipping lanes backed up, company shut downs etc. I suspect we will be feeling the effects from that for several more years to come. Wish I could remember which one it was but I subbed to your channel since I am new to PC building and all that fun stuff, it's turned into quite a passion so thanks for your informational videos! Whichever one I watched, I'm sure it helped me with some issue or gave me the advice I was looking for to help me build the beast of a gaming setup that I love and am now quite proud of ^-^ Being a total n00b to all this, do you think that I should be more cautious with my CPU/GPU, like, check the paste in the GPU and pads, maybe add some to certain areas of the PCB that are rarely covered by pads? Like VRM(?) chips? Seen videos of breakdowns where a really great channel ranks different GPU's based on the way they are put together and how the cooling works/where the thermal pads are in relation to where the heat is generated inside the cards. Really fascinating stuff and I am loving learning about it. I know ya might be thinking that a beginner maybe shouldn't be taking apart their GPU but I do my homework kinda obsessively lol I'm pretty confident in opening one up. I'm actually going to do a full clean on the first used PC I started with and re-paste the CPU/GPU and give it to my parents for browsing and spreadsheets n whatnot. It's a pre ryzen AMD 7 CPU with an RX560, seasonic 500w PSU that I did some upgrades to for use as a music production setup. Still works good but I can hear it crying out for some TLC and I think a good solid cleaning could give it a couple more yrs of life. Sry, off into the weeds a bit there. So I guess what I mean is, do you think with all these problems being discovered even in top of the line parts that it's worth checking what I've got? My RX6800 is a bit noisier than I feel it should be but temps appear to be fine. Maybe the 3060 I started with spoiled me a bit on realistic expectations on how the more powerful cards from AMD sound like. That 3060 is seriously nice, I'm pretty sure I won that silicon lotto ppl talk about with that card. Thing way outperforms everything I have seen and everything everyone told me it couldn't do, it can. I plan on putting it into the new music production PC I am in the process of parting out. Got a 7800x3d and a 7900XT on deck for an AM5 gaming setup and will just transfer the AM4 mobo into a new case for the production rig. I would like to crack them open and check the PCB's in the 6800 and 7900xt to see how well they are protected since XFX warranty isn't voided by doing so. Considering putting some little thermal pad squares on the exposed chip areas if there are any. I'm betting there will be. Do you think this is worth doing? Am I taking it a bit too far? Or is it a good thing to be thorough like that? I guess I'm just really ambitious and have kinda found a passion in all this, I want to learn and make sure this stuff is working and protected as well as can be considering the expense of it all. That's another thing in regards to the CPU issues being discovered, the 7800x3d. They run very hot from what I have learned. Can't say I'm not a bit worried about cooking a mobo considering I really do not want to use an AIO. Something about them just really doesn't sit right with me and I'm not sure why I feel so hesitant about them. Perhaps the added complexity of the maintenence in water cooling. I have read alot of reviews of people using higher end air coolers on the x3d's saying they work. But you just never know reading a review, how long have they had that running? A week? A month? 6 months? IMO, that's right when problems would likely start to appear. Hasty reviews sketch me out, can't trust them. And it's so hard, even near impossible to find info from people who have had a setup like that for over a year with solid feedback. Guess I ought to sign up to some forums on reputable sites and start some discussions. Sorry this is so long, I have a bit of a hard time keeping things brief as I'm sure you've noticed. If you feel up to answering any of this, it would be greatly appreciated. I see you have just returned from a trip so by all means, take your time and get comfy before going through my screed lol TL;DR Is it worth checking out my newer hardware for thermal efficiency? Check their pasting jobs, thermal pads etc. I've got a hunch I would put alot more love into it lol Thanks a bunch! Cool vid, I sure do love learning about this stuff. I really ought to run that 3060 through some of these benchmarks and find out why it just works so well. In some ways it was more impressive @ 1440 in Hellblade 2 than the 6800! Which is nuts! Nothing but impressed with that card. Wish I could have gotten a 4070ti super but it just seemed silly to sidegrade to another 16gb VRAM card. Plus I got an insanely good deal on the 7900xt. Future games are going to become much more demanding since photorealism is here and I am really into the graphic spectacle games. Anywho, I'll spare you here lol That keyboard looks pretty neat! One of the last things I have yet to upgrade since I didn't really see the priority in it. I like that it's still got the arrow keys. Since my favorite game is darkest dungeon and it uses the keyboard for movement, so 60% isn't really an option. HAH! I just remembered, I bet that I found your channel when I was learning about keyboard upgrades! Could be wrong. I'll have to go through your vids and see if I recognize anything. Alright, for real this time, count me in on the giveaway! That would be amazing! Congrats to the lucky winner! If anyone else feels like chiming in too, I'm open to any other inputs. All perspectives are appreciated. I'll look forward to whatever else you've got coming out in the future. Perhaps some stuff on PCB's in GPU's and thermal efficiency? Or general efficiency in uncertain times? Things to look out for etc. Subbed, liked and enjoyed. Thanks! BTW 1080ti for 100?? Man I gotta check out some used GPU's. Replacing that RX560 would be a smart move. See? Lol I just can't seem to stop XD Peace!
I did start to notice the length of this one, so I held off on replying right away. The app for creators if so bad on the phones, and I won't be at my desktop much till later this weekend. As for the discussion of if you should be taking apart your stuff and checking it out... I think it doesn't matter if you're a beginner. As long as you do things very carefully and with a little bit of confidence, you'll be fine. Also suggest recording the process so that you can watch it in reverse if you have to put it back together and you forgot where a screw or something went. The pcbs are very strong, my other suggestion is to obviously do it on an area that has low static and make sure any of the small caps located pretty much all over the board don't get knocked off or else you could end up having an issue. Caps are the tiny little capacitors scattered all over, you probably knew that. Touching on all the other Hardware that you have. It seems like you have quite a few really solid things going, the 7900xt and 7800x3d are awesome. I also see that you mentioned you were thinking about putting the 3060 in a more professional rig? I personally think that the Nvidia cards are better with the studio drivers when it comes to audio and video based applications. Amd offers really good gaming value and can do professional stuff as well, I've just had better luck with Nvidia personally on that end. Also yes, start with that 6800XT for your first trial, I have a friend locally who does that all the time.now for locals, just repasting GPUs and CPUs. Ordering pads and stuff. Some pads and paste can really lower the temps and improve performance quite a bit also... Can be a bit addictive. Sorry if I'm missing anything here. It's really hard to read on the phone mostly because of the applications stupid response setup, I wish I could screenshot it and reply like an email style reply. As for people running the 7800x3d, If you're worried about an AIO just slap a really nice Noctua air cooler or an assassin cooler on it. They will definitely do the job. The AMD chips run hot but at least they are efficient unlike the competition (my Intel chip gets ridiculous). I have a friend that's been running a 7950x3D since launch with a Noctua cooler, he has zero issues. AIOs look better of course, but you might have pump failure or something years down the line. As for the keyboard, I am not sure if I had a keyboard video, but honestly I might have one, it's been a while. If you find it lmk. And best of luck with the drawing for the keyboard. I appreciate the well written comment also, it's always cool to see others heavy passion in the industry. Hopefully I didn't miss much. Edit I did... Ahhh yes the 1080ti..$100 is pretty solid for this kind of performance. Basically a 3060 range at this point. Definitely check out your local markets, sometimes insane deals pop up. 🤙
Hey man sorry for the super late reply. I was quite under the weather for a while while also working on building a house for myself lol things are hectic to say the least! Very much appreciate your response! Definitely answered all my questions and more. And gave me a boost in confidence so that's great as well, thanks! Fantastic to know that I can use an air cooler for the 7800x3d. I don't know why but I just have this feeling of aversion to the liquid coolers. Maybe it's just the extra work, maybe it's the little bit of extra worry. But I don't have to worry any more so that is excellent. And yes I will definitely be using the studio drivers for the music production setup with the 3060, thanks for mentioning that since it is so easy to miss for people who aren't aware of it. Man, right when my return window passes on the 7900xt I see the announcement for the 4070 with 20gb VRAM lol! I like both companies, they have worked great for me. But I have to admit that Nvidia has just been around longer to be the superior choice. There were aspects of my 3060 where playing hellblade 2 on 1080p low settings, basically photorealism, looked better than the rx6800 at 1440 medium and even high settings. Just small details, like grass and textures of rocks were sharper and looked even more real. Which is amazing. It's still incredible with the 6800 and there are textures and assets that do not appear at all at low settings. So that's cool to get even more detail in the environment. I'm a huge fan of the crazy graphics games. Really, really excited that I am going to get to live to see true photorealism. I didn't actually think I was going to get to see it in my life but turns out I was fortunately wrong. The 7900xt/7800x3d build isn't finished yet, sadly. Still need MOBO, RAM and the more powerful cooler. Thinking of getting the Fuma 3 or the more powerful version of the thermalright assassin. Can't remember what it's called off the top of my head. Absolutely cannot wait for that. Hey quick question for ya, and feel free to take your time getting back; when comparing the 4080super and the 7900xt, I see that the 7900 beats the 4080 in all specs by quite a bit. Except for Nvidia's tensor cores, more developed raytracing cores and particularly in raw core count. But everything else, the 7900 has it beat by quite a bit. So my question, is it the raw core count that really makes the GPU that powerful in comparison? Over transistor count, ROPS etc. They are pretty much tied in performance, with the 4080s beating it by like 1%. But the 4080s has nearly double the raw core ccountof the 7900xt. Is that what makes it able to compete with the 7900xt? If you happen to know, I am quite curious about that one. All good if not, I shall continue my research either way. Someday I'll get a nice Nvidia card lol maybe sell the 6800 and 7900xt in the future when Nvidia is ready to put out a card with more than 16gb VRAM that isn't way more powerful than what I need. I settled on the 7900xt for the VRAM (although I know it's not everything), it was pretty much the best I could get without going way past required performance for 1440, with something like a 4090 or XTX. Ideally all I really needed was 7800xt or 4070ti super, ti super was the dream but I got a crazy deal on the 7900 so no regrets there. 300 less than what the ti super would have been. It seems like Nvidia is stingy on the VRAM because they think it's unnecessary. And while that is true at the moment, I really do think that as UE5 and other platforms come out with these photorealistic games, VRAM is going to become a necessity where headroom is needed. Hellblade 2 was a perfect example of that. Albeit, it does not have the best optimization, as well as a few other shortcomings. Not a deal breaker for me since that series holds a special place in my heart. But I can see why alot of people were upset and I really feel for the people who got locked out of it. Guess we will see but Black Myth: Wu Kong sure looks like it's going to be reeal close, if not on the same level and it has way, way better optimization to run on older hardware. Really quite amazing. Very much looking forward to release day for that one. Anywho, just wanted to say thanks again for your reply and the info and encouragement. It is much appreciated. Sorry to be that commenter that just can't help but leave books for ya XD I tried to keep it shorter this time lol Also, I tried to figure out which video of yours led me to your channel, I can't seem to find it! Maybe some of the ASUS mobo stuff, since my AM4 board is a TUF board. Works absolutely flawless. Guess I just somehow keep winning that silicon lottery lol really having a hard time figuring out how all these professionals have so much trouble with boards and cards and chips and RAM, yet somehow, as a blooming enthusiast, I am just not running into issues like that. I'm sure I will though! There's just no way I'm doing something better than them. Heck, if it wasn't for you creators and tutorials and stuff, I wouldn't have been able to build my PC's at all. So everything I learned was from the people having problems lol Was also thinking maybe the crazy priced builds ep. 1 or 2? Really not sure. So weird that I can't remember. Glad I found your channel regardless. I like what you have to talk about and the technical videos you have are awesome. Alright, I will stop myself now lol you have a good one man. Hope alls well with you and yours! Hope to hear back and I hope you're able to see my comment on the PC instead of the awful phone apps lol Peace brotha man, keep up the great work!
It's going to be interesting with more recent cards that have had cheap-ish compounds applied on them. Kinda baffling that some cost saving mesure means cutting there, but at least some really good compounds have been coming out with more accessible pricing to ensure affordability and durability. Only had experiences with repasting laptops' or MXM's, and probably some GT210 I found a couple years back 😂.
Yeah, imagine dropping a grand on a card and it overheats in a month. I feel like it's probably a smaller batch of bad paste or something, but there hasn't been a follow up on it yet.
I always enjoy the older hardware videos It seems like Intel knew about this problem but continued with production of the faulty CPUs. What's wild is that there doesn't seem to be any QA verification from Intel after they first found out about the issue. I would feel much different about this is they issued some sort of recall instead of doubling down that this is merely a voltage issue
Hey man, I just finished up the recent hardware unboxed podcast thing they do. What's that saying about ducks? Walks like a duck... It's starting to appear more and more likely their is something up with the hardware. They are probably going to try and implement as many patches as possible so when they have to explain the real issue, it will look like they tried and didn't know. It was pretty annoying to find out about that oxidation issue as well because that is something they did know about and they didn't bother making an announcement in any way shape or form. At least AMD last year made good with people and their situation. Appreciate the comment as always.
It's crazy how well the 1080/ti hold up 7 years after their release. There is a chance we won't see another gpu that offers that level of value again. I'm happy with the 7900x even though there are new cpus dropping. The 7900x is great for its price and should not disappoint. The AM5 socket should be around for a while, so I can miss a gen or two, and it shouldn't hurt too much.
Honestly your 7900xtx is a really great card, I think you'll get a ton of value out of it. The 4090 did have that insane gap kinda like the 1080ti but the cost and issues that came with it just ruined its legendary status that the 1080Ti still claims.
@@techwandoUS My system is noticeably snappier with the 7900x (no stutters or delays). This cpu is faster than the 13700k and draws less power lol (I'm going to let that sink in)
I was lucky and got a few Amd Fury Nanos for $60 each firet thing i did was cleaned the copper heatsink and die really well then gave them the conformal coating on smds and Liquid Metal. I managed to drop temps to 60c under load from 85c and boy the Coil Whine when under load was high pitched so i used silicon berween the vrms shut that issue right up. These cards are amazing next project is to find a Radeon Vii for under $500 lol
Solid mod on the coil whine, I have done similar things in the past for customers with waterblocks. Also that's the kind of temp decrease I was expecting tbh... Have the Radeon 7s gone up in value? There were a few kicking around locally here in Boston for about $250 usd.
I repasted my dual-fan 3060ti using noctua nt-h2 and my temps dropped from low 80s to low 70s, and some less intense games run even cooler. I didn't even replace the pads because I didn't have the right size. Repasting is definitely worth it in my opinion (but look up pad thickness and order pads ahead of time lol)
Nice that is a very good result. Typically with pads, if they are the more rubbery ones, they last forever. The worst ones some companies use are the ones that have threads or a paper like feel to them. Tons of the 30 series FE cards practically used paper to cool their gddr6x. Just changing the pads dropped vram temps by 20°c 😅
@bretthake7713 I just wanted to let you know, I had to do a re-roll on the keyboard. You actually won, It is USA/Can. the other guy lived really far out. Shoot me an email! techwandoUSA@gmail.com
That card will be a good candidate for a aio. The blower style cooler is a war crime. But considering amd tells customers its fine how their rx 5700 xt runs at 110 degrees i guess that is the standard now somehow. With Intel you also have the feeling this microcode update will do next to nothing? I think they can polish the turd all they want but it will never start to shine.
Yeah I remember a few customers back then having that Asus Tuf 5700xt which was one of the worst. Great saying at the end there... I have a waterblock for the 1080ti, so I'll probably throw it in a super budget loop, the fancy AIO treatment... Appreciate the comment
Hey man, love the keyboard. Oh yeah what about AMD putting a hold on the 9000 series CPU's. There are so many people mad about it but it's like you want them to release CPU'S that are having issue's running to spec. Crazy, good conversation to make a vid about. Another thing, I don't believe the problem withe Intel being just about micro code. They are just refreshes of what 12th gen, idk we'll see when they ship out the update. Good vid man.
Yeah I think you're right, people should be happy they are not shipping out a defective product. It's been said in a few videos talking about the game industry and broken games... "Late is a little while, sucks is forever" Gabe Newell. Maybe Intel should have stood by this ideology.
@@techwandoUS For sure. You know honestly I like friendly competition but the Intel/AMD battle is not friendly LMAO. But, just for a second IMAGINE IF the 2 got together, corroborated a CPU with the 2 techs. Get a P-E core with 3d Vcache on a die with a single ccx setup. No sharing cache between a split CPU, know what I mean. I understand they have quite a few with the ccx on one main, but with Intels E-P core setup. Be able to set it up where you have the performance cores with the Vcache and having the CPU as a whole run like AMD, where you can just use it with no tune, something that just runs good out the box. That's why I love AMD's CPU's. They just run good as is and if you wanna "tune" it, just adjust curve a lil bit and BAM, top clocks with low temps. Easy peezy. Anyway lol just blabbing. People don't realize how much Intel has cost the "industry" in terms of money and time. It's gonna put a damper on em, you watch, not that I don't like Intel, but think about it, such a easy little fix, SUPPOSEDLY, that took em this long to respond to. I believe it's not gonna fix the problem, it's a temporary thing. Something in production got messed up and qc missed it. All I have to say is, people need to go back to the 12900k and rest there necks before it's to late. You have on to them 14th gen for too long and when they finally implode people are going to be stuck with it. I'd RMA the damn thing and wait till things are solid before moving ahead. 5800x3d on the best platform, AM4 Baby!!! Don't need for Nothing. Take care broski. Drew from BeanieBro's.
I've never had a gaming quality keyboard and the one I use is starting to skip keystrokes. I'd love to get yours but I'm content with your recommendations. I didn't realize GPU's should have their paste replaced so often. Thanks for the heads up.
Hey, appreciate the comment. GPUs typically can be pushed quite a few years. If you start to see temperature creep it's a good idea to change it out. As for the keyboard, I wish you luck 🤞 I'll be doing a live stream pick next week and will tag the winner.
Don't forget that when you swap pastes first few start ups it runs hotter as the paste expands then it settles down and runs cooler. Try doing this test after 3-4 days of daily usage with the card the results might be a bit different. And the guy from India trying to scam you? Classic
Hey again, just wanted to let you know you actually won the keyboard, I did a random comment selector in my newest video. Shoot me an email TechwandoUSA @ Gmail Just be sure to show a screenshot of your RUclips logged in so I don't accidentally send it to India 🙂
I have to say, from my experience the GPUs tend to be more tolerant to the...need for paste replacement. It can obviously help, not in this case as you hilariously showed, but IMO year for year they tend to need it less than CPUs. At least that's my experience. I have to say man, I wouldn't go near a blower style GPU ever again. The last two I got (15-18 years ago) were the HD4870X2 and the Radeon 6850 and they were horrifying in how hot and how loud they would get. Never another blower style again for me. Never. OK the 6850 was better, but still bad. Speaking of CPUs. I heard AMD pushed back the release of their latest ones and even called back the products...for a couple of weeks. Any idea WTF that is about? I mean, if there is an issue with them, how are they going to fix it in two weeks and have the products back for shipment? It doesn't make sense to me. Good for you doing giveaways. Bravo. I have done it several times before, but only for software. It feels good when you do it, doesn't it?
Yeah it's probably the last time I will pick up a blower too. They make sense for servers and small systems but they are loud and unforgiving haha. Also I remember those old AMD cards, turbine jet noise from those bad boys. Also your right about GPUs. Definitely can go a bit longer. As for AMD, They sent out a bunch of them to system integrators and apparently they are not all running within spec (is the rumour). So instead of having some massive Intel style issue down the line because one chip doesn't clock high enough, they are just holding off until they figure out they fix. Now these are just the rumors going around so I won't say that that's 100% what it is, but it seems likely, as they did have similar issues before. Appreciate the comment man.
My kid runs the 1650 super, I ask her all the time if she wants more power? She says no, it's great. Mostly 1080p esports stuff, and the occasional Hogwarts legacy play session at low, but overall it's a decent very affordable GPU now (used market).
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If you are just using it for gaming, there is no need to test it on a bench.
sweats in 1080ti with OG thermal paste lol. I was planning on throwing an AIO on it with a kryosheet on the gpu. debating about putting heatsinks on the ram but it doesnt really get that hot and Gamer's Nexus didnt even worry about it in their liquid cooler upgrade to their msi armor 1080ti (same model I have)
Just a few things...
I was trying to give you guys some content after a long exhausting trip overseas, so I am sorry if it's not of the highest quality. I swear I am still jet-lagged.
Also I really should have picked a non blower card to show a better example, but I have yet to find a 7+ year old virgin card that hasn't had the paste changed.
Oh well, not every video is a banger lol.
As for the keyboard, It will be USA and Canada shipping only. When I hit 5k subs I'll be doing a gift card giveaway that will be worldwide as a thank you to everyone, especially those fans who are not on this continent.
new to building computers and I have wanted to find a tech youtuber that I could watch and watching this video was just so calming and relaxing it wasn't all over the place with things I just loved this video. Keep up the good work and I hope your channel grows more.
Hey thanks! Means a lot, welcome to the channel.
I've got several older cards and it's super hit and miss whether or not new paste helps. I've seen as much as a 16 degree drop and as little as nothing at all. Either way, good to service them regardless
Yeah, I have definitely seen variables like that before. Honestly it's just been so long since I have used a blower card, I sorta forgot how they worked.
Appreciate the comment.
Loved what you did on the original Intel stutter issue, and would enjoy hearing your thoughts now that chips are actually dying.
I get this feeling that tech companies are squeezing those safety margins really hard lately. Melting connectors, degrading silicon, sub-par thermal paste, etc.
Thanks man, yeah I have made a few on it but was thinking about complying all the issues Into one video. There's now quite a bit of hypocrisy from Intel. All the finger pointing, and confusion. I think I'll wait until August and do a video on the patch and if it doesn't help in anyway, I'll go full on and make a dedicated video of everything, compiling other tech channels and my thoughts.
Thanks man for always giving great input.
Insane how well that paste was holding up. Yeah it looked crusty but man it was performing! Good video as always! Keep it up!
Yeah it was kinda weird. Thought it would be much worse tbh.
What if Erock wins the keyboard (:
@@techwandoUS Haha, I am not a big keyboard guy. I also have more than I need. Give it to someone who needs it. Also, you got my support. This can maybe win someone else over. :)
@@ErockOnTech your a good man Erock 💯
@@techwandoUS I do my best thank you 🙏
didn't expect the old paste to be so good after all those years
Was definitely surprising
Just saw your comment on Bryans video, and had to come see what you are up too. Huge thumbs up on this video. I have a three 92m fan setup, and also a two 120m setup that I just screw into the Pci bracket right below a card to test its thermals with a fan control dial. Blower cards are crazy cooled like this, unleashed. 1080ti has a place in my Soul. Hahaha!
Hey man, yeah took a while to find a card that wasn't cracked open already, blowers are kinda crazy when you think about how they operate.
Appreciate you checking out the vid.
@@techwandoUS I hope you do not mind if I subscribe? You seem to have a very based view on tech. That says allot.
@@Willbme4EVA hell yeah bro! Appreciate you.
Seems like the quality of just about everything dropped noticeably during/after CViD. Shipping lanes backed up, company shut downs etc. I suspect we will be feeling the effects from that for several more years to come.
Wish I could remember which one it was but I subbed to your channel since I am new to PC building and all that fun stuff, it's turned into quite a passion so thanks for your informational videos! Whichever one I watched, I'm sure it helped me with some issue or gave me the advice I was looking for to help me build the beast of a gaming setup that I love and am now quite proud of ^-^
Being a total n00b to all this, do you think that I should be more cautious with my CPU/GPU, like, check the paste in the GPU and pads, maybe add some to certain areas of the PCB that are rarely covered by pads? Like VRM(?) chips? Seen videos of breakdowns where a really great channel ranks different GPU's based on the way they are put together and how the cooling works/where the thermal pads are in relation to where the heat is generated inside the cards. Really fascinating stuff and I am loving learning about it.
I know ya might be thinking that a beginner maybe shouldn't be taking apart their GPU but I do my homework kinda obsessively lol I'm pretty confident in opening one up. I'm actually going to do a full clean on the first used PC I started with and re-paste the CPU/GPU and give it to my parents for browsing and spreadsheets n whatnot. It's a pre ryzen AMD 7 CPU with an RX560, seasonic 500w PSU that I did some upgrades to for use as a music production setup. Still works good but I can hear it crying out for some TLC and I think a good solid cleaning could give it a couple more yrs of life.
Sry, off into the weeds a bit there. So I guess what I mean is, do you think with all these problems being discovered even in top of the line parts that it's worth checking what I've got? My RX6800 is a bit noisier than I feel it should be but temps appear to be fine. Maybe the 3060 I started with spoiled me a bit on realistic expectations on how the more powerful cards from AMD sound like. That 3060 is seriously nice, I'm pretty sure I won that silicon lotto ppl talk about with that card. Thing way outperforms everything I have seen and everything everyone told me it couldn't do, it can. I plan on putting it into the new music production PC I am in the process of parting out. Got a 7800x3d and a 7900XT on deck for an AM5 gaming setup and will just transfer the AM4 mobo into a new case for the production rig.
I would like to crack them open and check the PCB's in the 6800 and 7900xt to see how well they are protected since XFX warranty isn't voided by doing so. Considering putting some little thermal pad squares on the exposed chip areas if there are any. I'm betting there will be.
Do you think this is worth doing? Am I taking it a bit too far? Or is it a good thing to be thorough like that? I guess I'm just really ambitious and have kinda found a passion in all this, I want to learn and make sure this stuff is working and protected as well as can be considering the expense of it all.
That's another thing in regards to the CPU issues being discovered, the 7800x3d. They run very hot from what I have learned. Can't say I'm not a bit worried about cooking a mobo considering I really do not want to use an AIO. Something about them just really doesn't sit right with me and I'm not sure why I feel so hesitant about them. Perhaps the added complexity of the maintenence in water cooling. I have read alot of reviews of people using higher end air coolers on the x3d's saying they work. But you just never know reading a review, how long have they had that running? A week? A month? 6 months? IMO, that's right when problems would likely start to appear. Hasty reviews sketch me out, can't trust them. And it's so hard, even near impossible to find info from people who have had a setup like that for over a year with solid feedback. Guess I ought to sign up to some forums on reputable sites and start some discussions.
Sorry this is so long, I have a bit of a hard time keeping things brief as I'm sure you've noticed. If you feel up to answering any of this, it would be greatly appreciated. I see you have just returned from a trip so by all means, take your time and get comfy before going through my screed lol
TL;DR Is it worth checking out my newer hardware for thermal efficiency? Check their pasting jobs, thermal pads etc. I've got a hunch I would put alot more love into it lol
Thanks a bunch! Cool vid, I sure do love learning about this stuff. I really ought to run that 3060 through some of these benchmarks and find out why it just works so well. In some ways it was more impressive @ 1440 in Hellblade 2 than the 6800! Which is nuts! Nothing but impressed with that card. Wish I could have gotten a 4070ti super but it just seemed silly to sidegrade to another 16gb VRAM card. Plus I got an insanely good deal on the 7900xt. Future games are going to become much more demanding since photorealism is here and I am really into the graphic spectacle games.
Anywho, I'll spare you here lol That keyboard looks pretty neat! One of the last things I have yet to upgrade since I didn't really see the priority in it. I like that it's still got the arrow keys. Since my favorite game is darkest dungeon and it uses the keyboard for movement, so 60% isn't really an option. HAH! I just remembered, I bet that I found your channel when I was learning about keyboard upgrades! Could be wrong. I'll have to go through your vids and see if I recognize anything.
Alright, for real this time, count me in on the giveaway! That would be amazing! Congrats to the lucky winner!
If anyone else feels like chiming in too, I'm open to any other inputs. All perspectives are appreciated.
I'll look forward to whatever else you've got coming out in the future. Perhaps some stuff on PCB's in GPU's and thermal efficiency? Or general efficiency in uncertain times? Things to look out for etc. Subbed, liked and enjoyed. Thanks!
BTW 1080ti for 100?? Man I gotta check out some used GPU's. Replacing that RX560 would be a smart move. See? Lol I just can't seem to stop XD
Peace!
I did start to notice the length of this one, so I held off on replying right away. The app for creators if so bad on the phones, and I won't be at my desktop much till later this weekend.
As for the discussion of if you should be taking apart your stuff and checking it out...
I think it doesn't matter if you're a beginner. As long as you do things very carefully and with a little bit of confidence, you'll be fine.
Also suggest recording the process so that you can watch it in reverse if you have to put it back together and you forgot where a screw or something went.
The pcbs are very strong, my other suggestion is to obviously do it on an area that has low static and make sure any of the small caps located pretty much all over the board don't get knocked off or else you could end up having an issue. Caps are the tiny little capacitors scattered all over, you probably knew that.
Touching on all the other Hardware that you have. It seems like you have quite a few really solid things going, the 7900xt and 7800x3d are awesome. I also see that you mentioned you were thinking about putting the 3060 in a more professional rig? I personally think that the Nvidia cards are better with the studio drivers when it comes to audio and video based applications.
Amd offers really good gaming value and can do professional stuff as well, I've just had better luck with Nvidia personally on that end.
Also yes, start with that 6800XT for your first trial, I have a friend locally who does that all the time.now for locals, just repasting GPUs and CPUs. Ordering pads and stuff. Some pads and paste can really lower the temps and improve performance quite a bit also...
Can be a bit addictive.
Sorry if I'm missing anything here. It's really hard to read on the phone mostly because of the applications stupid response setup, I wish I could screenshot it and reply like an email style reply.
As for people running the 7800x3d, If you're worried about an AIO just slap a really nice Noctua air cooler or an assassin cooler on it. They will definitely do the job. The AMD chips run hot but at least they are efficient unlike the competition (my Intel chip gets ridiculous).
I have a friend that's been running a 7950x3D since launch with a Noctua cooler, he has zero issues. AIOs look better of course, but you might have pump failure or something years down the line.
As for the keyboard, I am not sure if I had a keyboard video, but honestly I might have one, it's been a while. If you find it lmk.
And best of luck with the drawing for the keyboard. I appreciate the well written comment also, it's always cool to see others heavy passion in the industry.
Hopefully I didn't miss much.
Edit I did...
Ahhh yes the 1080ti..$100 is pretty solid for this kind of performance. Basically a 3060 range at this point. Definitely check out your local markets, sometimes insane deals pop up.
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Hey man sorry for the super late reply. I was quite under the weather for a while while also working on building a house for myself lol things are hectic to say the least!
Very much appreciate your response! Definitely answered all my questions and more. And gave me a boost in confidence so that's great as well, thanks!
Fantastic to know that I can use an air cooler for the 7800x3d. I don't know why but I just have this feeling of aversion to the liquid coolers. Maybe it's just the extra work, maybe it's the little bit of extra worry. But I don't have to worry any more so that is excellent.
And yes I will definitely be using the studio drivers for the music production setup with the 3060, thanks for mentioning that since it is so easy to miss for people who aren't aware of it.
Man, right when my return window passes on the 7900xt I see the announcement for the 4070 with 20gb VRAM lol! I like both companies, they have worked great for me. But I have to admit that Nvidia has just been around longer to be the superior choice. There were aspects of my 3060 where playing hellblade 2 on 1080p low settings, basically photorealism, looked better than the rx6800 at 1440 medium and even high settings. Just small details, like grass and textures of rocks were sharper and looked even more real. Which is amazing. It's still incredible with the 6800 and there are textures and assets that do not appear at all at low settings. So that's cool to get even more detail in the environment. I'm a huge fan of the crazy graphics games. Really, really excited that I am going to get to live to see true photorealism. I didn't actually think I was going to get to see it in my life but turns out I was fortunately wrong.
The 7900xt/7800x3d build isn't finished yet, sadly. Still need MOBO, RAM and the more powerful cooler. Thinking of getting the Fuma 3 or the more powerful version of the thermalright assassin. Can't remember what it's called off the top of my head. Absolutely cannot wait for that.
Hey quick question for ya, and feel free to take your time getting back; when comparing the 4080super and the 7900xt, I see that the 7900 beats the 4080 in all specs by quite a bit. Except for Nvidia's tensor cores, more developed raytracing cores and particularly in raw core count. But everything else, the 7900 has it beat by quite a bit. So my question, is it the raw core count that really makes the GPU that powerful in comparison? Over transistor count, ROPS etc. They are pretty much tied in performance, with the 4080s beating it by like 1%. But the 4080s has nearly double the raw core ccountof the 7900xt. Is that what makes it able to compete with the 7900xt? If you happen to know, I am quite curious about that one. All good if not, I shall continue my research either way.
Someday I'll get a nice Nvidia card lol maybe sell the 6800 and 7900xt in the future when Nvidia is ready to put out a card with more than 16gb VRAM that isn't way more powerful than what I need. I settled on the 7900xt for the VRAM (although I know it's not everything), it was pretty much the best I could get without going way past required performance for 1440, with something like a 4090 or XTX. Ideally all I really needed was 7800xt or 4070ti super, ti super was the dream but I got a crazy deal on the 7900 so no regrets there. 300 less than what the ti super would have been.
It seems like Nvidia is stingy on the VRAM because they think it's unnecessary. And while that is true at the moment, I really do think that as UE5 and other platforms come out with these photorealistic games, VRAM is going to become a necessity where headroom is needed. Hellblade 2 was a perfect example of that. Albeit, it does not have the best optimization, as well as a few other shortcomings. Not a deal breaker for me since that series holds a special place in my heart. But I can see why alot of people were upset and I really feel for the people who got locked out of it. Guess we will see but Black Myth: Wu Kong sure looks like it's going to be reeal close, if not on the same level and it has way, way better optimization to run on older hardware. Really quite amazing. Very much looking forward to release day for that one.
Anywho, just wanted to say thanks again for your reply and the info and encouragement. It is much appreciated. Sorry to be that commenter that just can't help but leave books for ya XD I tried to keep it shorter this time lol
Also, I tried to figure out which video of yours led me to your channel, I can't seem to find it! Maybe some of the ASUS mobo stuff, since my AM4 board is a TUF board. Works absolutely flawless. Guess I just somehow keep winning that silicon lottery lol really having a hard time figuring out how all these professionals have so much trouble with boards and cards and chips and RAM, yet somehow, as a blooming enthusiast, I am just not running into issues like that. I'm sure I will though! There's just no way I'm doing something better than them. Heck, if it wasn't for you creators and tutorials and stuff, I wouldn't have been able to build my PC's at all. So everything I learned was from the people having problems lol
Was also thinking maybe the crazy priced builds ep. 1 or 2? Really not sure. So weird that I can't remember. Glad I found your channel regardless. I like what you have to talk about and the technical videos you have are awesome.
Alright, I will stop myself now lol you have a good one man. Hope alls well with you and yours! Hope to hear back and I hope you're able to see my comment on the PC instead of the awful phone apps lol
Peace brotha man, keep up the great work!
It's going to be interesting with more recent cards that have had cheap-ish compounds applied on them. Kinda baffling that some cost saving mesure means cutting there, but at least some really good compounds have been coming out with more accessible pricing to ensure affordability and durability.
Only had experiences with repasting laptops' or MXM's, and probably some GT210 I found a couple years back 😂.
Yeah, imagine dropping a grand on a card and it overheats in a month.
I feel like it's probably a smaller batch of bad paste or something, but there hasn't been a follow up on it yet.
I always enjoy the older hardware videos
It seems like Intel knew about this problem but continued with production of the faulty CPUs. What's wild is that there doesn't seem to be any QA verification from Intel after they first found out about the issue. I would feel much different about this is they issued some sort of recall instead of doubling down that this is merely a voltage issue
Hey man, I just finished up the recent hardware unboxed podcast thing they do. What's that saying about ducks? Walks like a duck...
It's starting to appear more and more likely their is something up with the hardware. They are probably going to try and implement as many patches as possible so when they have to explain the real issue, it will look like they tried and didn't know.
It was pretty annoying to find out about that oxidation issue as well because that is something they did know about and they didn't bother making an announcement in any way shape or form.
At least AMD last year made good with people and their situation.
Appreciate the comment as always.
Fun video. Thanks.
It's crazy how well the 1080/ti hold up 7 years after their release. There is a chance we won't see another gpu that offers that level of value again. I'm happy with the 7900x even though there are new cpus dropping. The 7900x is great for its price and should not disappoint. The AM5 socket should be around for a while, so I can miss a gen or two, and it shouldn't hurt too much.
Honestly your 7900xtx is a really great card, I think you'll get a ton of value out of it.
The 4090 did have that insane gap kinda like the 1080ti but the cost and issues that came with it just ruined its legendary status that the 1080Ti still claims.
@@techwandoUS My system is noticeably snappier with the 7900x (no stutters or delays). This cpu is faster than the 13700k and draws less power lol (I'm going to let that sink in)
@@Chris_94 hell yeah man. That's great to hear.
Good stuff. I need to apply new paste to my own graphics card, I don't think I have ever done that :( /ducks
What card are you running?
I was lucky and got a few Amd Fury Nanos for $60 each firet thing i did was cleaned the copper heatsink and die really well then gave them the conformal coating on smds and Liquid Metal. I managed to drop temps to 60c under load from 85c and boy the Coil Whine when under load was high pitched so i used silicon berween the vrms shut that issue right up. These cards are amazing next project is to find a Radeon Vii for under $500 lol
Solid mod on the coil whine, I have done similar things in the past for customers with waterblocks.
Also that's the kind of temp decrease I was expecting tbh...
Have the Radeon 7s gone up in value? There were a few kicking around locally here in Boston for about $250 usd.
I repasted my dual-fan 3060ti using noctua nt-h2 and my temps dropped from low 80s to low 70s, and some less intense games run even cooler. I didn't even replace the pads because I didn't have the right size. Repasting is definitely worth it in my opinion (but look up pad thickness and order pads ahead of time lol)
Nice that is a very good result. Typically with pads, if they are the more rubbery ones, they last forever. The worst ones some companies use are the ones that have threads or a paper like feel to them. Tons of the 30 series FE cards practically used paper to cool their gddr6x. Just changing the pads dropped vram temps by 20°c 😅
@bretthake7713 I just wanted to let you know, I had to do a re-roll on the keyboard. You actually won, It is USA/Can. the other guy lived really far out. Shoot me an email! techwandoUSA@gmail.com
@@techwandoUS 🎉🎉 thanks so much for reaching out, I just sent an email. Will chat with ya soon brother
That card will be a good candidate for a aio. The blower style cooler is a war crime. But considering amd tells customers its fine how their rx 5700 xt runs at 110 degrees i guess that is the standard now somehow. With Intel you also have the feeling this microcode update will do next to nothing? I think they can polish the turd all they want but it will never start to shine.
Yeah I remember a few customers back then having that Asus Tuf 5700xt which was one of the worst.
Great saying at the end there...
I have a waterblock for the 1080ti, so I'll probably throw it in a super budget loop, the fancy AIO treatment...
Appreciate the comment
it would be cool if Arctic or noctua were still selling replacement air coolers for at least reference GPUs or blowers like this
That would be very cool. Sorta like the Morpheus or artic old school coolers but Noctua.
I was expecting a lower temp after the repaste however, lower temps is lower temps.
I think if it were a traditional 2-3 fan design we would have seen a better drop. It's the blower designs fault mostly.
Hey man, love the keyboard. Oh yeah what about AMD putting a hold on the 9000 series CPU's. There are so many people mad about it but it's like you want them to release CPU'S that are having issue's running to spec. Crazy, good conversation to make a vid about. Another thing, I don't believe the problem withe Intel being just about micro code. They are just refreshes of what 12th gen, idk we'll see when they ship out the update. Good vid man.
Yeah I think you're right, people should be happy they are not shipping out a defective product.
It's been said in a few videos talking about the game industry and broken games...
"Late is a little while, sucks is forever" Gabe Newell.
Maybe Intel should have stood by this ideology.
@@techwandoUS For sure. You know honestly I like friendly competition but the Intel/AMD battle is not friendly LMAO. But, just for a second IMAGINE IF the 2 got together, corroborated a CPU with the 2 techs. Get a P-E core with 3d Vcache on a die with a single ccx setup. No sharing cache between a split CPU, know what I mean. I understand they have quite a few with the ccx on one main, but with Intels E-P core setup. Be able to set it up where you have the performance cores with the Vcache and having the CPU as a whole run like AMD, where you can just use it with no tune, something that just runs good out the box. That's why I love AMD's CPU's. They just run good as is and if you wanna "tune" it, just adjust curve a lil bit and BAM, top clocks with low temps. Easy peezy. Anyway lol just blabbing. People don't realize how much Intel has cost the "industry" in terms of money and time. It's gonna put a damper on em, you watch, not that I don't like Intel, but think about it, such a easy little fix, SUPPOSEDLY, that took em this long to respond to. I believe it's not gonna fix the problem, it's a temporary thing. Something in production got messed up and qc missed it. All I have to say is, people need to go back to the 12900k and rest there necks before it's to late. You have on to them 14th gen for too long and when they finally implode people are going to be stuck with it. I'd RMA the damn thing and wait till things are solid before moving ahead. 5800x3d on the best platform, AM4 Baby!!! Don't need for Nothing. Take care broski. Drew from BeanieBro's.
Time to change my thermal paste...
How long we talking
@@techwandoUS I think its 5 years atleast, but its probably fine... probably
@@zekester02 it's probably fine ...
I've never had a gaming quality keyboard and the one I use is starting to skip keystrokes. I'd love to get yours but I'm content with your recommendations. I didn't realize GPU's should have their paste replaced so often. Thanks for the heads up.
Hey, appreciate the comment. GPUs typically can be pushed quite a few years. If you start to see temperature creep it's a good idea to change it out.
As for the keyboard, I wish you luck 🤞
I'll be doing a live stream pick next week and will tag the winner.
Don't forget that when you swap pastes first few start ups it runs hotter as the paste expands then it settles down and runs cooler.
Try doing this test after 3-4 days of daily usage with the card the results might be a bit different.
And the guy from India trying to scam you? Classic
Very good point here. I gave it about 6 hours of runtime, but I'll actually recheck this by the end up the weekend.
Hey again, just wanted to let you know you actually won the keyboard, I did a random comment selector in my newest video. Shoot me an email
TechwandoUSA @ Gmail
Just be sure to show a screenshot of your RUclips logged in so I don't accidentally send it to India 🙂
@@techwandoUS Hey just sent you an E-mail.
Shalom
I have to say, from my experience the GPUs tend to be more tolerant to the...need for paste replacement. It can obviously help, not in this case as you hilariously showed, but IMO year for year they tend to need it less than CPUs. At least that's my experience.
I have to say man, I wouldn't go near a blower style GPU ever again. The last two I got (15-18 years ago) were the HD4870X2 and the Radeon 6850 and they were horrifying in how hot and how loud they would get. Never another blower style again for me. Never. OK the 6850 was better, but still bad.
Speaking of CPUs. I heard AMD pushed back the release of their latest ones and even called back the products...for a couple of weeks. Any idea WTF that is about? I mean, if there is an issue with them, how are they going to fix it in two weeks and have the products back for shipment? It doesn't make sense to me.
Good for you doing giveaways. Bravo. I have done it several times before, but only for software. It feels good when you do it, doesn't it?
Yeah it's probably the last time I will pick up a blower too. They make sense for servers and small systems but they are loud and unforgiving haha.
Also I remember those old AMD cards, turbine jet noise from those bad boys.
Also your right about GPUs. Definitely can go a bit longer.
As for AMD, They sent out a bunch of them to system integrators and apparently they are not all running within spec (is the rumour). So instead of having some massive Intel style issue down the line because one chip doesn't clock high enough, they are just holding off until they figure out they fix. Now these are just the rumors going around so I won't say that that's 100% what it is, but it seems likely, as they did have similar issues before.
Appreciate the comment man.
what do you think about gtx 1650?
My kid runs the 1650 super, I ask her all the time if she wants more power? She says no, it's great.
Mostly 1080p esports stuff, and the occasional Hogwarts legacy play session at low, but overall it's a decent very affordable GPU now (used market).
If you are just using it for gaming, there is no need to test it on a bench.
True, bench was just for temps
@@techwandoUS Yes you are never going to stress the GPU that much in a game.
sweats in 1080ti with OG thermal paste lol. I was planning on throwing an AIO on it with a kryosheet on the gpu. debating about putting heatsinks on the ram but it doesnt really get that hot and Gamer's Nexus didnt even worry about it in their liquid cooler upgrade to their msi armor 1080ti (same model I have)
Haha ...
Hey if it's still chugging along and temps are good then you might be fine. Kryosheet idea ... I like that.