Which AI Air Traffic Controller is best?
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- I compare Say Intentions to Beyond ATC in an epic AI ATC battle. I also weigh in on how I think these two systems operate, and why they behave so differently. Microsoft Flight Simulator just got a whole lot more interesting.
Neither company paid me to make this video, nor do they know that I am. However, SayIntentions did give me an affiliate link, so I am including the paid promotion option. These opinions are my own.
SayIntentions (Affiliate link)
sayintentions.ai/signup#66232...
Beyond ATC
www.beyondatc.net 
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I have both. When SI first came on line the bug report was long, just like BATC is now. Sooner or later we'll be able to do an apples to apples comparison that can't really be done yet. Remember, BATC is 4 months behind.
Thanks Brian, best comparative analysis I’ve seen. Much appreciated!
Hey Brian, I really appreciated the comparison video... you've answered the questions I had about both packages... Thanks man!!! Helpful video 😄
It’s interesting to hear how easily BeyondATC understands your quick cadence compared to people with an accent.
Great video here Brian!
Interesting video nice job - subbed. I just picked up BATC and lots of potential, some gremlins as expected in early release phase. Time zones mean VATSIM a no go for me…when the ‘full and final’ iteration is ready along with a multi-threaded FS24 life will be sweet.
BATC is missing the option for choosing another runway 😏
This is definitely feature that I hope they add soon. Its frustrating to have to alter my flight plan because BATC puts me on a different runway.
Just so you are aware. You can click on the frequency in the SI UI to change this. There is also now an autotune feature that puts the given frequency in your standby. That way when ready you can flick over. Its an option though so you can turn this off.
SayIntentions has some REALLY impressive aspects, but there are three problems with it, some shown in this video, that caused me to go for BeyondATC even in its current unfinished state. The first is the price … I cannot justify that kind of outlay for any flight sim add-on … it is eye-wateringly expensive. (Bring it down to a level more like what Navigraph costs and then I might be able to consider it.) Second is the extreme latency … I understand they are working on that, but until the latency improves to a level similar to where BeyondATC already is, I’m not going to be interested. And the third is something this video seemingly held up as a positive: SayIntentions’ responses to weird things like sandwich offers or sightseeing destinations. I consider those kinds of responses totally unrealistic and a negative for the product - I mean, what sort of real world controller would put up with airtime being wasted like that? SayIntentions should be responding to all of that nonsense with a threat to report the pilot to the FAA or something, not carrying on inane conversations to show off the AI’s capabilities. Development time put toward supporting such interactions is time wasted as far as I’m concerned.
I often fly long airliner IFR flights and absolutely love the fact that BATC has an auto respond feature that in essence acts as a co-pilot. Say Intentions does not have this feature that makes it unusable for me.
A tip with Beyond ATC is if you set it to auto-tune the radio, leave auto-respond unchecked, and read back the correct radio information, the AI co-pilot will automatically switch it for you to the correct frequency. An idea I had is using Beyond ATC with Say Intentions AI but having Say Intentions multiplayer set as listen-only to be able to listen to real players using Say Intentions, hopeful to add more realism while flying.
That's a lot of money just to have a background noise. Just use real atc like liveATC, does the job.
Beyond atc definitely has a lot of potential but I agree it struggles is with off script requests and situations, sadly it can't currently handle common changes like you want to change gate or want to change approach mid flight or head away from some weather. When the vast majority of situations are covered like this, I think it will have an edge over sayintentions due to the vast difference in price. Also I know that they are building a community base for the airport data and commonly used procedures and runways etc.
I have both SayIntenstions and BATC both have there pro's and con's but for overall experience I prefer SayIntentions. It just has way more upside to it as a complete ATC program.
Thanks for the video. It was very informative. At this juncture, I'm on the fence. because Microsoft flight simulator is just right around the corner. I'm wondering if a Sobo is going to address their ATC issues. which in turn both these products will become mute. That's the dilemma. If a sobo doesn't touch their ATC system, then of course. 3rd party products are back on the menu. What do you guys think?
What I got out of this is if you want to pay extra to talk about ham sandwiches and aliens or take illegal flights around the Las Vegas strip at 200 feet, something you'd likely try to avoid as a pilot acting professionally you can do so for $360 per year. If you just want solid ATC with VFR and traffic coming in the future you can do so for $30 one time. I thought the SI voices we quite a bit more robotic than the BATC basic voices. I could use my $30/month to add premium voices and get more than enough flying with the 750K characters and enjoy better audio experiences compared to what SI shows here. I'm giving BATC a chance. If they stop progressing then I may have to make a different choice, but right now they've provided 8 updates in less than a week, so they are clearly making constant changes. Let's see where things are six months from now.
Sort of how I feel too. The price of Say Intentions is a killer and not worth the difference imho. The SI voices did not sound great in the video.
I bought BATC on release day, and they’re making huge progress, so we need to be realistic in our expectations. I completely agree with everything you said above. These are both wonderful projects and great, responsive dev teams, but there’s no way that I can justify SI at their current rates. I do totally appreciate that the back-end AI costs what it does, but that doesn’t change my budget.
@@peteallennh If someone has $400/year to shell out for fake people talking to you, more power to you and you've clearly made wonderful life choices, but yes for 90% of the market it's just never going to be anything more than a splurge for a month.
I had to chuckle a bit at 4:46 with the three times "negative...". Been there, a little annoying at times 😅good to know I am not the only one who isn't well understood by beyond atc =D
I wonder if the local LLMs that may be used with BATC can use the new NPU cores that the new Intel processors are coming with.
Pair for BATC, then a couple weeks later tried SI. Within two days paid a years subscription you SI. Is it worth it? I dont know….hard to say. Im an airliner simmer, so ATC comms is a fairly significant part of my flying.
So do both say intentions and beyondATC have different languages that ATC speak? I couldnt find any information regarding that.
So if you had to choose best arc for your personal then which one you choose?
Say Intentions is excellent but really expensive!!
id do anything to get one of them to develop for mac xplane 12.
So these ATCs update the sim at all with Taxi instructions or where do they get that info from? Why would one get it wrong while the other gets it correct talking to the same sim? Say intentions sounds way better with respect to the way the AI speaks. Sounds like someone speaking a sentence as opposed to reading one.
Regarding SI injecting other traffic chatter...when I last tried it a couple of months ago, it seemed like the chatter was coming from anywhere in the US, not just the airspace I was flying in. Is that different now?
There’s a few different settings. I know it was using “real” chatter from other users before as well. Unless you really know the airspace well, it’s hard to differentiate the generated chatter.
Pilot 2 ATC with ATC chatter is and will be the better choice for at least another year. Beyond is neat, but get stuck constantly, and any unique responses you may get are overshadowed by the lack of other radio traffic.
I don’t know. I think you’re going to see BATC and SI both evolve very quickly. In fairness, I’ve not tried Pilot2ATC, but BATC has already been a game-changer for me.
@peteallennh Yeah, I'm not trying to compare them because AI is obviously going to win in the long run, but P2ATC has been updated regularly for years and years now has soo many great features and voices are easy to add. Reminds me of xplane vs. Msfs. Yeah one has all the features but just look at the other one. LOL.
Yeah idk, pilot2atc had problems where it wouldn't update the weather and you have to say everything perfectly. Still, it has more capabilities than batc, and offers some VfR support but not at the cost of SI
I do agee sayintentiom needs a better pricing model
sadly, 30 dollars a month is waaaay to expensive for my country where the wages are low
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I don't buy either as long there is no electronic flight bag integration. It kills immersion, especially in VR. This would have been the first thing i would have implemented
Absolutely not this would have been the first thing you had implemented. You would not implement it at all, because the EFB of an aircraft were none of your business.
Thanks for the best video I have seen on this subject. I have bought and I’m using Beyond ATC, I’d agree it does run on rails, but that suits me, because basically I want to learn how to do ATC properly and it’s teaching me by making me say the right things. I really don’t want to ask it about ham sandwiches and I certainly don’t want to pay 30 bucks a month for the privilege. So I do think the price difference of the two systems is a big factor here. I am realising with Beyond ATC that, yes, essentially it has a list of things it is expecting you to say (just like real world ATC) but thanks to the AI it doesn’t really mind how you say them. So, in that sense, it feels natural. It’s also quite quick to respond, and I really like that. So, in summary, Beyond ATC is suiting me right now, I hope it evolves more, but I really don’t want to pay ten times more than I’m paying now. Keep up the good work. You’ve made a fantastic comparison.
i have beyondatc and very happy with it but the only downside is it doesnt work with Xplane.. thats the only reason i was considering sayintentions however, the price is too damn expensive for me
It was assumed that BeyondATC's responses are AI driven which it's not.
Uhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhb, uhhhhhhhhhh, uhhhhhhh NSB
I refuse to use any ATC that pronounces "three" as "tree". That includes the built-in MSFS ATC. I've never heard an American controller say "tree" either while personally flying in real life, or listening to ATC on RUclips videos.
Beyond ATC by far.!
I don't care if god, hisself, is doing perfect ATC. I'll never pay for a subscription. I'm too new to ATC flying so I can't say anything about usage, but BATC is what I just paid for because it's a one time fee.
Yeah, some people buy the cheapest car they can and drive around thinking they made the wisest choice until the transmission begins to fail, the AC doesn’t work when the temp is over 80 and the infotainment system crashes constantly…
My father always said, “you get what you pay for!”
I hate when an ATC program can’t handle simple requests like a runway change… 😢
But you do you, Randall!
@@sep2345 BATC will be able to fix bugs and be correct a LOT better than a LLM chatbot, who can talk, but still horribly fail when precise logic is needed. it was a deliberate developer choice to not use a LLM. it's really nice that you can chat with it, but you dont want llm hallucinations in something like ATC
@@sep2345😂
I get it. Why pay for something you’re not really going to use. I fly mostly VFR so SI is my only option
@@fihalhohi5353did you just call Chatgpt-o a Chatbot ? 😂thats crazy
There is no comparison. One is $30 per month (might as well be $3000). The other is $30 for a lifetime purchase plus a few more for the premium voices.
I'm going BATC all the way. Do NOT (I repeat, do NOT) sponsor such subscription models. Stand your ground.
Does anyone think that the new 2024 Microsoft Flight Simulator will feature an ATC system that rivals these?
no
no because msfs-atc is basically the same horrific experience since 40 years. Zero progress was made
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Just for the fact that SayIntentions doesnt charge credits to talk with ATC. That alone is gold. Beyond ATC seems like their cutting corners...
Beyond ATC doesn't charge credits for the standard voices, just premium voices. Considering that you're going to pay $30 one time for Beyond ATC compared to $30 per month for SayIntentions, I wouldn't say they're cutting corners, they are making a more affordable product.
why do you think Say Intentions is 30$ / month... you are paying credits
@@Kadesh86 its either a yearly charge of $299 or $30a month. And its NOT credits. I can interact with the atc for as many flights as i want. Beyond is good for about 5 flights of credits outside of the limited one time charge before you need more talk-time credits. Ive used SI since week 1 (feb 2024) and its a more realistic ai that can handle extreme requests and situations that Beyond doesn't.
@@comiccrazy3 I get what you say. But, BATC costs 30$ a lifetime. You can use basic voices for free, and they are good. SI charges monthly (or yearly), of course voices are a part of that charge… just ask them why it is subscription based?
With BeyondATC, you only lose credits if you are using premium voice options which by chosing the basic voice you don't lose any credits as that is provided for free I've done serveral flights already with BeyondATC probably only used Premium voice once that was during release to see how it work been using basic voice ever since than. I do like say intentions where you can listen to other players.
Say intentions model is vastly better than BATC. Being able to load up at any airport and look at the sectional or plates and put those frequencies in and it work is fabulous. BATC you have to look at the client to figure out what you can do. BATC more like a sim, Say Intentions more like real world.
You can enter frequencies in BATC as well. If you tune your radio in the plane it works exactly as SI. If you notice he said it was a "quality of life feature", not that it was the only way.
That is exactly what I did was tune it in the plane and BATC said frequency not available. And it was a couple of major airports.
I don’t use the app I use plates and sectionals to fly using the aircraft radio and if you use it using this method BATC will have issues.
@@OTTNext Thanks for your perspective. Obviously with BATC being out barely a week none of us have had much of a chance to use it, just a handful of flights if that. Sorry it's not working well for you that way. I also so not manually tune the radios (a big reason for me getting BATC was to get better flying with ATC so I can perform better on something like VATSIM. SI would be far too expensive to use as a learning aid.) so that is a big difference.
The intro is already not correct. You have only ONE AI-ATC Software.
OMG, so many petty haters currently out and about. LLMs are not even 'real' AI. Let it go and be happy that finally we are getting decent ATC options...
@@themorethemerrier281please explain what is real AI? I think you might have a little research to do before you make such broad (incorrect) statements…
Truth! 🤜🏾🤛🏼
@@sep2345 'AI' is a currently way overhyped term. These tools are so great because they make clever use of machine learning algorithms. But they are not really intelligent. They mimic intelligence and comprehension.
Pointless exercise when one is in EA and openly states there are missing features and bugs.
The flight sim community is obsessed with comparisons and pitching one product against another.
It’s getting tiresome……
Only part of this video is comparing current features. The rest is about comparing their approaches which will give us a good idea of which will be a long term solution. They’re also both early access.
@@Brian.Murray that doesn’t really change my point/opinion. I wasn’t referencing any particular type of comparisons, just generally which includes features, approach etc.
Both in EA probably strengthens my point and makes it even more pointless. Both are at different points in development and a moving target. There’s no way to compare apples for apples. It’s like trying to compare two houses when they’re only half built.
This will end up the same as X-Plane vs MSFS, flight model vs flight model, Active Sky vs Rex etc. Toxic simmers (not referencing you) belittling each other and their choices. They’re already using the phrase “Rails” FSX flashback 🫣