Coin Crackout - NGC to PCGS - NGC Called Them Cleaned, Will PCGS? 1880/9-S Morgan VAM, 1822 Bust 50¢
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2021
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Ben The Coin Geek
Old Pueblo Coin
We all are paying premium money to have these coins graded. The grading companies are making MILLIONS. How about a detailed report or a diagram (instead of "Ahhh Sorry about your luck, but thanks for the Cash") for problem coins showing exactly where the evidence of cleaning found by NGC or PCGS occurs?
I use a very strong Halogen light to find those cleaned and imperfect coin's especially proof's. Very nice video.
the luster bands on the cleaned reverse wash/flood out between 9:00 and Noon, which I think is what the grading services are picking up on
The grading services have a new paranoia with not knowing the difference between die polish and cleaning just like the questionable color! It’s questionable KNOWLEDGE! on their part
I’m in love with both these coins.
Cleaned or not, the Morgan is beautiful, looks proof like to me, but I’m no expert
"all grading is personal" coin guy
One reason I will never waste money on grading/slabbing, I prefer to buy coins because I like the look of them, not what they might or might not grade as.
that 1880 has defo been polished lightly
Still a very beautiful Morgan even if they are saying cleaned.
Love the 1822 Half!! The early US coins are so great looking.
Man, that’s why the grading companies are a shame.. but the coins people, not the holders
It’s really difficult to determine if they are die polish or cleaning lines. The coins high enough grade that it’s worth trying a few times
Maybe if it were lower grade they would be less concerned. Perhaps they don’t want to slap a 67 on a coin that’s “iffy” I’m thinking
For a third party professional grader, die polish lines should be easily distinguishable from cleaning hair lines. Die polish lines invariably appear as raised lines on the surface (as they are micro scratches on the die which coin metal is pressed into) not as incuse lines or lines flush with the surface. You may have to look at the coin from several angles and different lighting and/or use increased magnification before you can tell.
That reverse is not cleaned,they just don't what they're doing,as usual
I really like the old half dollars. Glad you got a better grade on that one. It's a shame for that Morgan. Thanks for sharing!
Nice win on the Bust half!
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If the Morgan had been cleaned, it would not still show some beautiful lustre, there looks like a lot of chatter under certain light but that's it
"Strike through" on the Morgan looks like a planchet defect that was struck over?? Some Morgans they dog a lot as far as TPGs.
I know I've been thrown a bit from time to time over 'cleaned' vs 'die polish' on my coins as well, especially older issues like the 1853 Seated Liberty half dime, remember?
stunning coins
Just put them "problem holders" to the side and send them to CAC next year.
Good stuff , enjoying your videos very much thanks Ben. Mike
Hello Ben. 👏👏👏
That Bust looked like a straight 40 to me. It's a cherry of a 35 though I'd be happy with that undergrade. The Morgan, it's hard to believe it was naked-eye graded Details, twice. The reverse, and Liberty on the obverse look Gem. The lines probably aren't polishing but I don't think it deserves a Details grade. Those semi-PL fields make it one of the most beautiful coins of all time. If anyone ever doubted a Cleaned coin could be beautiful, get a load of this one!
I thought I saw some cleaning lines on the 1822. I seams PCGS will lower the grade on lightly damaged older coins rather than call them cleaned/damaged.
I've?a lot of graded coins, seems as though they vary
What is the best lighting for identifying cleaning/hairlines ?
Is there an 1880 over nine from the Philadelphia mint?
Did you break them out of their NGC cases?
Why Unk details and not MS details?
Maybe I couldn't see very well but the marks or lines as you refer to them looked like small hits, maybe chatter. 1880-s Morgan dollars are usually really nice looking coins, maybe the graders are being too harsh because of that.
That is the scary part of sending coins in to get graded!! It can change a 400 dollar coin into a 200 ! At best.. I am sitting on a bunch of coins right now wondering where to send them. It makes a big difference on some coins even if they are 61 or 62.. What to do????
Do you break these out before you send them in?
Man I’d send that Morgan for holder submission with old gold only they robbed you🧊
Send to anacs!!
I see a lot of NNC slabbed coins on online auctions that have very striking purple rim toning. Everything from Morgan dollars to quarters and yes, even Peace dollars. Anybody know how that is done? I assume it is artificial. Thanks for any info.
NGC would note an artificially toned coin as people do that. It does occur naturally tho. If I recall correctly, Silver reacts with sulfuric acid. Some bank coins bags caused it, paper albums and envelopes as well. There are youtube videos showing how to do it artificially. Some collectors are drawn to toning. I have an 1881 graded Morgan that has lotsa toning that has blue and pink hues, but its legit...
This isn't an example of the problematic crackout-resubmit game that some people play, as you could legitimately call it a "Second Opinion". I do tend to take some issue with people cracking out and resubmitting the same coin over and over again hoping for a bump in grade. Either way, it's not the resubmissions that are problematic per se, but that people do not report all of the cracking, which screws up the population reports. So, I guess what I'm saying is, if you crack a holder, be sure to report it to the grading company!
Both nice coins. The Morgan IMO does not look cleaned on the reverse. Just terrible on how they graded this. Hang on to it awhile and try sending it in AGAIN. Maybe ANACS and if they say it's OK then backdoor it in to PCGS on a Cross Over if you think it's worth it
Grading is subjective and nothing but a waste of time and money, Unfortunately had coins in PCGS holders that were graded which should have been rejected. If your grading tens of thousand a coins a month, how much time do you really spend inspecting each coin? Far as I know NGC has three graders look at each coin not one? Overall like the coin regardless if cleaned or not.
Hi, Ben. Who hates you more, PCGS or NGC? *TYU*
At least there are being consistently wrong....ugh
Hi Sir I have this coins 1885 for sale