76 Years of Independence: Where do We Stand?
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2023
- Join us as we reflect on 76 years of independence of Pakistan, and see where the nation stands today. This session aims to spark a thought-provoking discussion on the progress, challenges, and aspirations that shape our journey as a nation.
Panelists: Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy, Shakil Chaudhary and Nasreen Azhar
Moderator: Dr. A. H. Nayyar
Did Pakistan exist before 1947? Then how did Pakistan got independence? I am bewildered as to why even the so called enlightened of PK don't tell their students that Pakistan was 'created' in 1947 whereas India got independence!
Whether Jinna and Muslim League had taken any part in freedom struggle? Answer is no. They were creating obstacle in freedom struggle. He was playing in hand of Britishers.
The Mid day meal programme was started by K Kamaraj, CM of Madras state( now Tamil Nadu) in 1956-57. Kamaraj himself was a school dropout at the age of 11
One correction- 14th of August aapka day of birth hai, hamara 15th of August day of independence from the British hai! 🙏 🇮🇳
STOP COMPARING INDIA WITH PAKISTAN JUST STOP PLEASE 🙏🏻, there is no comparison. India is much bigger than Pakistan in many ways so same rules don't apply! Please 🙏🏻
(1)From India listening Hudbuoy sir's deliberations . Thank you sir and saddened that we missed you because of 1947.(2) Sir , After 1857 revolt, British tried to create Hindu Muslim difference as both the communities faught together against British. Bahadur sah was declared Emperor of free india by Hindu Muslim participants of the revolt together without any hesitation. I am surprised to note that 1857 revolt is not discussed in Pakistan whereas in India , it is considered as first freedom struggle of India.
Do not insult jinnah, he firmly believed Hindus & muslims cannot live together, u must take all Indian muslims in Pakistan so that they can enjoy unadulterated genuine authentic Islam why they should be deprived of Islam
Dr Shakil Chaudhary is the only light in this Black Hole.
16:12 correction Muslim were not ruling India, it was Marathas who ruled India and British defeated Marathas to govern India. Mugal kings were just for name sake a celebratory position and they governed UpTo palam part of Delhi.
God protect Pervez Hudbuoy saab and all others who speak the Truth in Paxtan
Living in India 🇮🇳 proudly, I'm just thinking that how depressing it would be to live in Pakistan 🇵🇰..?
First of all, Pakistan has not enjoyed Democracy or Independence for 76 years.
Parvez saheb forgotten that Takshila and Nalanda Universiries was there from 4000 to 5000 years and it was for all not only for brahmins, he dies not have actual knowledge of Indian system
I find no hope and I am 1000% until Pakistan becomes a normal secular democratic state, Pakistan can ever survive with this religious direction
After religious constitution Pakistan 2nd problem is management and administration,Pakistan does not have basic pillars for the state, but we have basic pillars of Islam in the syllabus
We stand before 1947 . Even before 1947 situation was better. Pakistan is the only country which regress not progress anymore. The worst regression is societical, moral and not only governmental but economical and more than that judicial and corrupt mindset in all spheres of life
They don’t have anyone other than jogindernath mandal, we in india have a whole lineup of muslim ministers. Yet they have audacity to say udhar musalmano k saath kya ho raha hai.
16.27 ..the lady guest says Mughals/ Bahadur Shah Jaffar was ruling all over India.. actually most of the part of United India was ruled by Marathas and Sikhs .. British defeated them till 1850s and became Rulers... Bahadur Shah Jaffar's defeat was the last straw on the Camels back...
Excellent discussion! That’s what we need an open and free discussion! Look inside us! What have done in the last 76 years???
Correct yourselves: mughals never were able to capture whole of india,
i am listening these things for the last ten years but no changes no corrective measures
25:17 It's always a pleasure to hear Mr. Shakil Chaudhary's stimulating and thoughtful views.
Muslim parhe likhe? Earth is flat and stationary??!
1:32:47 Kashmir has attracted 12 million tourists till date during this year. This is in addition to those who visited Jammu and Ladakh. Definitely not a garrison area.
Important point missed - The real reason for partitiion was the rich muslim landlords of U.P wanted a safe haven for their wealth..
they conviniently used religion as a tool
its a beacon of hope for Pakistan if this honest analsis spreads and becomes part of popular discourse;better late than never. This is self reflection at the best!Indians also need to do similar analysis for all our failings and there are many despite all known successes.
In Delhi as well as in other major cities in India we need an Institute like Black Hole.
Quality discussion. Enriched.
Nasreen Azhar spoke also very well.
Thanks from India.
No need.
Hudhbhoy sir can you imagine our parents never hesitate to sell their house for education of their children? We just switch off our TVs and stop participating in any social gathering and dinners during two years of 11th and 12th standards of our children
Hudbhoy sir, you might be aware that when Bharatiya Janta Party was established in 1980 after split of Janta Party, one of its pioneers was Sikandar Bakht from Chandni chowk Delhi. Others were AB Bajpayee, LK Adwani and MM Joshi..
A big salute to Mr. Shakeel Saheb 🙏
I have been watching the ' Black hole ' program recently. I am impressed by the discussion. But it's saddening to see very few attending these programs physically. After 76 years of independence of Pakistan and the condition in which they are today I expect to see such programs be taken by storm! Being an Indian and BJP supporter I want to see Pakistan progress.
Kindly,Change the title.....It is not 76 years of independence but..."76 year of creation/foundation day" !!
Except Shakil Chaudhari,🙏
All mindsets are putting Jilebiya ,and away from ground reality.
Is there any Pakistani listening or only we Bhartiy listening and enlightening ourselves as always
Its true that India has had many insurgency movements but they didn't talk how they were solved.
The North-East is a classic example. All groups who put down their arms were not jailed but allowed to run for local and state elections. Many Article 370 type laws were passed to preserve local culture and give autonomy. Newest example is Bodos where an autonomous region Bodoland has been created within Assam.
The Naxal insurgency in Central India is nearly dead
Happy Independence day to you all.
I am really happy to tell you that first time in my life I am wishing Pakistani people.
Even these intellectuals of Pakistan can not give the kid an honest answer? Hoodbhoy conveniently forgot to mention that Aurangzeb imposed Jizya on Hindus. Sikh religion became a combatant religion because the Mughal emperors tortured and killed the Sikh gurus and their children. Countless temples were destroyed, including the holiest temple in Varanasi by Muslim invaders and rulers. The short answer is that there was never peace between Muslims and Hindus because of the exclusivist nature of Islam. It was an uneasy truce at best, necessitated because the Muslims wanted to rule a hindu majority country. Hoodbhoy is giving BS when he says that people did not even know their religion until the British census.
It's good to see Pakistani talking about their biggest problem. That is their army. It shocked me to hear about their wealth. And how Pakistani can't talk about them.
Nice plate farm for discussion God bless Hood brother
Not independence day. It's Pakistan's 76th birthday day.
Happy birthday Pakistan
76 Years - and where does PK stand??
Sadly, it stands deep in the doo-doo - with seemingly no visible way out. And that is because the powers that be still do not feel the need or compulsion to make any visible and long standing changes to their assumptions and thinking. Partition mubarak ho!!!
Heartening to see youngsters asking intelligent questions. Blackhole is a great platform. Well done, Prof Hoodbhoy
I am proud indian ❤❤❤
Great discussion Big Respect shakll sahib Love from California 🙏🇺🇸
Jnnah is the hero of India/indians.Had there been no Jinnah today entire india would have become a beggar bankrupt terror state.Every indian should sing this song
E JINNAH TERA INDIA/INDIANS PE EHSAN HAI EHSAN.
Never expected Pakistan have that much open minds to discuss real knowledge
Until religion is made 100% personal affair constrained to within homes. Until the state and religion are separated, NO HOPE FOR PAKISTAN. I am sorry for saying the plain truth, but i care enough for common Pakistanis to not hold back real and complete reality. Lets keep the hope alive.
1857 main musalman raaj kar rahe the? Kuch bhi.
Salute to Dr. Hoodbhoy!
I fully agree with madam, and her thinking that civilians should be allowed to move and make mistakes... By that only they will get right direction...
Sir aapne athans ki story sunaker bahut achha Kiya i can understand where your aim is...
It's a good way to teach Pakistani people..🙏👌
Result of Second Anglo Maratha War
The Scindias signed the Treaty of Surji-Anjangaon in 1803 through which the British got the territories of Rohtak, Ganga-Yamuna Doab, Gurgaon, 🇮🇳Delhi 🇮🇳 Agra region, Broach, some districts in Gujarat, parts of Bundelkhand and Ahmadnagar fort.
People of Pakistan cannot call it as Independence
.Jinna and Muslim league had never taken part in freedom struggle. Jinna was touts of Britishers
Dr.parvez with all respect I admire n impressed with u r best effort ñ hanlding show,
When you go back to the partition you will find parity was central to the notion that Pakistan was equal to India, if not more than equal - a limpet that couldn't be shaken off. Today it struggles to accept the reality of its position; one that has shrunk to less than a fraction of India's.
Respected panelist, I admire you all four. One thing I would like to bring to your notice. Just introspect that if some group come to seek your help to fight a bigger enemy than yourself. That group will talk to more younger, militant person than wiser, experienced person.
Nasreenji I salute you for your deep knowledge and concern for women and showing the mirror.🙏
Great and mindful discussion
Like always very nice conversation
Respected Shakilji sir, Dr Parvez Hoodbhoy, Nayyar Sir and Respected Nasreen madam 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Some time I pity Pakistan for being into hands of greedy politicians and highly selfish army who have looted Pakistan .and above all religious biggotery has added to the misery. May God bless them
13:27 Mr Mandal runaway to India, he fore saw the future that for minorities is not good in Pakistan
Aapko lakho hindu mil jaayenge jo urdu or arbi likh or samajh sakte hai or unhone kuran bhi pedha hai....
Pakistan mei kitne muslims hai jo Hindi or Sanskrit likh or samajh sakte hai...?
😅
I think no one is there who can understand Sanskrit....and read Vedas...😌🙏🚩🚩
WE STILL STAND IN 1940--46.
WE ARE STILL SCATERED AND
AIMLESS. 🤔😣😭😎
The big question remains; How do we persuade the army to give up its interference in governance and to accept civilian supremacy? Are we ready to make personal sacrifices to confront the army through organised public agitation?
In our society religion is practised after 60-70 years age of a person to keep the old age in a satisfactory mode for self well being
Dr. Hoodbhoy
Why worry about population .
More pakistani means more migration to foreign countries and this will help devlop many islamic pakistans worldwide . One day sheria laws will come and entire world will be Islam.
The purpose of creating
Pakistan will be achieved. So enjoy population growth ,this will prove most exportable item.
Appreciate the best efforts for awareness. Enjoyed listening. Many thanks for the good efforts
I’m satisfied with what I’ve got to get more knowledge about Pakistan todat from this discussion
Great discussion as always
I feel sorry why the audience is so less. This is wonderful program and should be held in big auditorium. Really sad that only handful youngsters are there
W - Water
E - Education
E - Economy
P - Population
Very true, impressive, thought provoking debate, highlighted the existing realities.
Beautiful discussion.
Sab sir log ko mera salam. Ki Pakistan me aise bat karte ho. Well don.
Jinnah was not even a matriculate...He was almost illiterate as per his bio by Hamdani
In 1971 same thing happened in East Pakistan by Pakistan army. But Pakistan army could not stop the Mukti-Bahini because East Pakistani people had determined for independence. Aur Pakistan army, charo traap se ghera hua tha magar Pakistan army ka badnasibi tha jo samaj na sake. Near future Pakistan will be divide with five independence state.
Great analysis. 🙏
Why they not mentioned india abolished jameendari in after got independence pakistan mein abhi bhi he
Good discussion ..enjoyed
Women explaining carving out land was good and defending it
That was direct declaration of war on the civilization
اس کا اندازہ سفر کی رایگانی سے ہوا
Libraries were burnt by Muslims...Bakhtiyar khilji is known to burn Nalanda uni...
Hudhbhoy sir bluntly told we are not independent.
In this context I just remembered a dialogue from loose talk of Anwar Maqsood, when Moin tells
" Azadi aap ko 14th August 1947 ko de di gayi thi ab agar aap ko roz roz azadi chahiye to vo nahin Milegi....what a real description!!
Hello shakil Chaudhary sahib, I met you at Black hole , a few weeks before. Great interview
76 years of India's Independence
76th Birthday of Pakistan. ( Pakistan was born in 1947 )
Or can call 76 years of Pakistan's IN - DEPENDENCE.
The title is INCOMPLETE or WRONG
76 Years of Independence: Where do We Stand?Either it should be
76 Years of INDIA'S Independence: Where DOES Pakistan Stand? Or
76 Years of PAKISTAN's CREATION: Where DOES IT Stand?
BEFORE 15 AUGUST 1947 THERE WAS NOTHING CALLED PAKISTAN. SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. IT WAS INDIA WHO GOT INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITISH BUT PAKISTAN WAS CREATED DUE TO GUJJU JINNAH'S SOLE WISH. COZ HIS FAMILY STOOD BACK IN INDIA.
In Islam we stand number 1, I do not know where Pakistan stands lolz ,moulana Gen zia modeed aur bhutto islamic mullah zindabad,welcome to 1973 islamic Pakistan.
Number of children in Indian schools is more than total population of Pakistan.
Great discussion...
that rawalpindi guy raised a good point but his conclusion is very simple..ke "hum to pakka nhi hain ruling me" ...looks more intuitive than factual
Not a single female in audience on this Occasion…
Shakil sahab ❤👏
"I'm absolutely captivated by the brilliance of The Black Hole team.
Hoodbhoy is saying that Athenians were invading fighters but what we had learned that Aristotle Pluto Socrates all were of Athens and was an intellectual society. Their neighbor Sparta were fighters
See the intellectual boys in the audience, mate all are sleeply awake in a wonderful talk,
How i wish all those 4 speaker's were Indians,
All of them are in a wrong land. 😢
The persion in corner with grey hair my god sharukh khan🤣🤣..
Very good discussion, some of panelists have dared to speak about Pakistan forces.
Loved this concept man
Sir, please note Independence Day Message on Kashmir and Nuclear arsenal.
After 76yrs, ASKING as to where Do Pak Stand ??
Baffles Me ! Indicates you don't know yet, weather you are coming or Going ? Rest assured asking the same in 2047 too.!! Dr. H'Boy . Possible comparative scenario example of Athens Vs Milos to Pak(Athens) Vs India (Milos) would be scholarly enlightening keep on trucking!! 😳🙏