Salute to the First Questioner for his daring to question such basic things which are hard to even speak in Pakistan. People are murdered and lynched on this.
So this has been our problem from the very beginning that we bring religion into everything…..Science is Science Politics is Politics and Religion is Religion please for God’s sake do NOT mix them together! Religion is everyone’s personal matter and keep that to yourself……🙏
@@eknayisooch3288 it’s your opinion and you have the right to express your opinion just like I have the right to express my opinion! Let’s agree to disagree……😊
yes and it is compatible, but trying to stop death and whatnot is not compatible so you must accept and understand the science, they need to grow and develop drought and flood resistant crops
Ibn e Rushd was an Ex Muslim..Pervez Hoodbhoy knows this but he did not mention ExMuslim in the lecture otherwise he would have been declared a Gustakh in Pakistan
Such things don’t happen in india? Just because it’s economically better doesn’t mean people with cheap mentally don’t live in india. Do you know Indians believe that everything in science was invented by Indians ? E.g aeroplane was not invented by wright brothers, but some Indian guy 😂😂
I wish that when questions are raised the individual gives his name and qualification. At 1:08:00 a young person asked a series of well thought out questions. He articulated his questions well. I am amazed. I wish the young gentleman all the best. And in a decade or two we are going to hear more about him
Hoodbhoy is wrong is saying that threre was no science before 712 ad when Muhammad bin quasim came there was no science. There was science before islam and before quasim came to india. India had made advance in mathematics and astronomy. Well is not very well versed in indian history, he is heavily influended by western interpretation of indian history. Sad reality why pakistan is behind science.
@user-rz5ei8xl5e wrong, sindh was good mathematic and science. They build civilization on Indus River, that requires science and technological advancement. Your comment show lack of knowledge and inferiority complex you have. This is typical of pakistani and specialy punjabi muslims.
Religion is based on Faith and Science is based on Reason. Asha’arites emphasised Faith and Mutallazites Reason. The two domains are mutually exclusive. I agree with Dr Sahib that this question will always remain unanswered. Wonderful examples of Sir Syed and Iqbal, one started from point A and ended up at Point B and the other just its opposite. I think the prevailing circumstances and individual’s psychology play a big role.
1.05.30 The questioner puts a blasphemy trap. Possibly because it would not have been the first time, the Professor responds in the most simplest & safest yet sophisticated fashion and closes it with the clearest, stunning yet painless knock out punch. Leaving the questioner with the choice to regress and remain frozen in Mohammed’s time, or progress with time.
In the context of Pakistan, the history of Science in the Indian Sub Continent in which one of the oldest civilization existed and the oldest documented science scriptures exists, Pakistan which happened to be a part of India until the last 75 years, why intellectuals in Pakistan shy away from accepting and discussing the legacy of India which they should also be proud of. Pakistan not being part of the Middle East should identify more as from India. I am not saying that Pakistan doesn't have its own identity, but should acknowledge it as the son from the same mother and so discuss the inheritances of the legacies of science and mathematics with its young minds and not disconnect with it due to differences in faith. I wish All the very Best.
@@dharmikrakshak8340 most prominent scientists have been from Christianity faith. Very few from Hinduism and Islam. You people still live in ancient times that Hindus discovered and invented everything. Britishers stole scientistic discoveries from you. While as, the fact is Indian scientists were more prominent during British era. After independence, I hardly see any major inventions or discoveries from Indians.
@@9Rehankhan19 first correct Christianism and Mohammedi (islamism is new term 30 to 40 year old ) Very few scientists are Christian ,all are belong to Protestant group like ahhmaddiya in you islamism . Dr abbas noble prize winner is ahhmaddiya. Ahhmaddiya firka are same as Protestant. Ask yourself question son of god appeared 2000 ago, messenger of good appeared 1400 year ago and DARK AGES started??? dark ages period end 500 year ago . 0 zero is invention of Hindu. can you make software without 0. your Quran use Hindu numbers. Sanskrit. Mother language of all language .PAKIS ,TURKMENI, AFGHANI, all have staan. It is Sanskrit word Grammar is created by Hindu.many more
India and South Asia in general no longer host the same quality of universities and centres of learning they once possessed in times of old. Nalanda is a historical landmark, and within its dust encrusted walls sits the forgotten legacy of giants of maths and logic. I say this as a person born in Pakistan but a citizen of the world. The Arabs formulated algebra by borrowing extensively from the knowledge of ancient India, all those who have attended impartially to the evidence of history would know this fact. Having said that, it’s important to remember that contemporary scholars, especially scientists who attend the prestigious universities of the western world, are inevitably imbued with a western bias. The ancient Greeks were indeed exemplars of incredible scientific discovery and knowledge, ranging from Archimedes to Pythagoras. But they weren’t the only ancients who advanced science, as western intellectuals seem to think. The name of the first ever manned lunar mission was ‘Apollo’, the name of an Ancient Greek god. The name Cosmos, denoting the universe, is a Greek word meaning order, the opposite of chaos, ‘disaster’ is Greek for bad star etc. The entire western framework for scientific rationality leans heavily on the classical Greeks and their works, as I learned when I read Carl Sagans Cosmos. Pervez Hoodhboy, and other scholars like him, educated at elite western universities like MIT or Harvard, Stanford or Yale, would inevitably regurgitate much of that bias. Edit: this response was NOT written by chat gpt or any AI bot lol.
@@9Rehankhan19kuch bhi matlab kuch bhi….not every white from west was a christian…pakistan ko samajh nhi aata ki some people dont follow any religion…and regarding india…scientists and mathematicians pehle se hi the….
The title of the discussion itself is wrong. Science has been around forever. Islam is like a newborn child in front of science. The title should be - Is Islam compatible with SCIENCE.
Credit goes to the little girl who sat through the whole length of a high level science class. It is unmeaning to go for compatibility of science and religion. Religion is founded on belief which deals with material and moral world so far as those relate to humans. Whereas science is limited to exploration of truth about natural phenomena in our material world irrespective of humans, their values, belief, morality and life hereafter. In my view science also should be guided by morality and shouldn’t go for discoveries of things utterly destructive to humanity.
Root question for the pakistani muslims remains the same - how did Allah communicate with Nabi Musa ? If they can't give the simple answer then atleast they should treat good their fellow Hindus and christian and Sikh citizens well as the fellow humans.
What I understand by the word compatibility means ability to co exist without conflict. To me the Quran doesn't challenge science. Rather it emphasis to think logically over the universe. Moreover the religion just gives broad guidelines on life and the universe and let it to the human to explore.
Science and religion are closely interconnected in the scientific study of religion, which can be traced back to seventeenth-century natural histories of religion. Natural historians attempted to provide naturalistic explanations for human behavior and culture, including religion and morality
To pose this question and then waffle, when a young man frames a clear question on Darwin's theory being in contradiction with the Quran, is literally damaging the minds of the young...
South Asian Islam is unique. Let’s take the marriage ceremony- it’s 90% Hindu amongst Muslims. I have read Quran a few times (in my view Maulana Wahiduddin Khan’s translation is the best). I’ve stayed in Indonesia and nearly all gulf countries. Their Islam is so different from ours. South Asian Muslims are struggling with a religious identity. As for religion- to be in this era has nothing to do with religion.
The professor definitely needs to get a bit more educated on Hinduism. Hindu Vedas believe there is one intelligent force due to which creation came to being you may call it by one name or 5000 names of your choice. Just because you call him by 5000 different names it does not mean there are 5000 Gods. It is your spiritual democratic individual right to call him by the name you choose. " Ekam Sat, Vipraha bahuda Vadanthi" Sanskrit "Reality is one and knowledgeable ones call it by different names"
Copied from internet, *There are at least hundreds of millions of gods, according to the ancient Shastras of Sanatana Dharma such as the four Vedas, the Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, etc. The Puranas especially give vast genealogies of the gods, including thousands of specific deities. There are major Gods, full forms/aspects of the ultimate reality Saguna Brahman, like Ganesha, Shakti, Parvati, Kali, Durga, Shiva, Vishnu, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Surya, Skanda, etc., ranging down to still great but non-absolute Gods like Brahma, Hanuman, Ganga, Samudra, Indra, Agni, Soma, Prithvi, Nandi, Manasa, etc. There are Avatars like Rama, Krishna, Narasingha, Parashurama, Buddha, Minakshi, and many more.* Hope this will help you understand your religion better.
@@aqeelqureshi4964 We dont need Guruji Aqeel to understand our religion. The four vedas are not different but branches of Knowledge of espousing Philosophy of God, Creation etc Agree the real name is sanathana Dharma but used the term Hinduism for understanding in common parlance.Thank you for that Your google guru's explanation of Hundreds of Gods( Perhaps loaded by a Christian missionary as I can make out from language) it is not the term God we use they are Called Deities by us Deities translation somewhat nearest equivalent can be Angels. We are proud of religion just like you are about your religion and there ends the matter. Ultimately all of us are trying to reach the supreme in our own way. The theory that this is the only way, the only book, Only name does not jell as sanatana Dharma is a democratic religion goading followers to seek the truth rather than believing in something
All i can say is Pervez ji is not that knowledgeable as it is potrayed..... Books from Nalanda and Udantapuri were initially translated even before the Bagdad University was developed
I am a Vedantin (Hindu) but when I read the Buddhist and Jain version of creation if forced me to question everything. They asked a very logical question. They said that when you say that life and the World are too complex to not have been created by a God, then that God is even more complex how did it has no creator? How did that God created itself? Also, Jainism asks one more question that you say God existed before the creation of the World so where did He existed? In a certain space, that means even the space have an eternal existence so why can't the World be created by itself? Very deep.
Once my teacher said "every scholar has a pitfall in which he once falls once a life", so do not be dependent upon a scholar in each sense. But I see Dr Hoodbhoy is remains always in pitfall and if he says something correctly, this is the exception of that status of being in a pitfall. So sad that this kind of great doctor is unaware of basic concepts of history of Muslims.
@ Pervez Hoodbouy Please read what following physicists have said about Vedas and Bhagavad Gita : 1 Erwin Schrödinger 2.Werner Heisenberg, 3. Robert Oppenheimer, 4. Niels Bohr, 5. Carl Sagan, 6. NikolaTesla, 7 Albert Einstein If you want to know what exactly these physicists have said about vedas and Bhagavad Gita please let me know so that you can enlighten yourself and stop criticism of what you are completely ignorant about !
Islam's worldview and history and social issues are so radically different from Hindu-Buddhist-Jain-Sikh that it is no surprise that partition happened. But it doesn't mean that 2-nation theory as laid out in 1947 made any sense, as it is too simplistic.
Kisne kah diya Hinduism me 5000 khuda h mtlb kuch bhi Iswar ek hi h. Vo khooda nhi h Avtaar h Ise aap kuch had tk nbiyo se jod skte h To kya m ye kh du Ki islam me 1 lakh khooda h.
Islam is not against science or local cultures and traditions; therefore this topic is just confusing the conversation. First need to understand what Islam is as it gives us guidance and moral values and science is totally different topic and is not unIslamic. In this discussion only hearsay Islam is being discussed but not real Islam
Cause and happening, Illat and Maalool, that can be seen by the naked eye, but there are certain happening you don't see, that's where you start believing in the unseen world, or the prayers what we find in all religions of the world,
Religion Islam focus on one god, heaven, hell, day of judgement, sociology and some economics. It is responsibility of modern muslim world to prosper in modern world by education, learning, science, technology, economy and sociology etc. Problem is that muslims have stopped learning and expanding on knowledge and limited themselves to religion.
number system including zero was invented in India and such other scientific knowledge went to Arab and from there to Europe then how it can be said that Indian knowledge to Arab was very less, even Aristotle had asked Alexander that when he reached India to enquire about the learned schoolers in India who were very famous in Yunan.
This is very interesting discussion. But one point to be raised here: if Quran tells every thing what now science is, i.e. Allah, means world only came into existence just 1400yrs. While human races came thousands year before. Quran came only 1400yrs as given by Allah!
The nub of the matter is that all 'revealed' religions which require one to SIMPLY BELIEVE are helpful, if at all, in organizing and ordering our earthly existence. To reach out in the direction of ultimate truth are the experiential ways of the great Seers/Rishis, Vedanta...and now Science & Quantum Physics are finding REALITY to be eerily close to the descriptions of the Rishis and in Buddhism [read Tao Of Physics, for example]
Tehzibul Akhlaq by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, but in today's time Mullaism remains the biggest challenge of Islam, Iqbal's booklet Iqbal Aur Mulla is the typical example of Mullaism explained by Iqbal,
Dear sir, you should have mentioned Al Mawardi who was a bridge between the orthodox Greek philosophy and Sharia unlike Farabi who was his cotemporary and a vital exponent of Greek philosophical thought especially Aristotle
Sorry to see that all questions are baseless. You follow a religion because you are born to parents who follow that religion. If you were shifted to a hindu parent or chrisian parent then you will follow their religion. It means religion has no control over your mind. However science is universal...... prove and this will be followed by everyone across the world.
Once our prophet Muhammad saws emerged from home to see two groups of people indulged in the debate of Qada w Qadr, thereupon prophet Muhammad saws showed his anger and said, Stop this silly discussion, if you don't you might continue till Doomsday,
The Prof doesn't seem to know that in Vedanta there is no duality. The thousands of God's he is referring to are deities representing different deities...whichever the form you choose to dwell on, no Hindu denies that all the varied forms all lead to the same ultimate Truth.
For Pakistan to make progress in Science or other fields, the country and the people need to embrace their Indian identity rather than claim some nonexistent arabic heritage. Indian heritage provides solid identity that gave Taxila university that was established in present day Pakistan. Your ancestors were not in the desert. They were in the fertile delta.
پرویز صاحب ۔ انسان کے دو پیراڈئم ہیں ، جن میں تبدیلی اُس کی عمر کے ساتھ ہوتی ہے ۔ ایک فزیکل پیرا ڈائم (جو حواسِ خمسہ ) جسے وہ کائینات میں ہونے والی تبدیلیوں کے ساتھ، وہ ساتھ تبدیل ہوتا ہے اور دوسرا سپرٹوئل پیرا ڈائم (الھام) جسے وہ اُس کے ماحول کےمطابق مثبت اور منفیت ترازو میں جانتا رہتا ہے ۔ جوکُلی طور پر کلیٹو کانشیئنس کے جھکاؤ پر منحصر ہے ۔ اگر کلیٹو کانشیئنسس مثبت ہے تو ثبوت کا پلڑا جھک جائے گا اور اگر کلیٹو کانشیئنسس منفی ہے تو انکار کا پلڑا جھک جائے گا ۔(خالد مہاجر زادہ)
It's ok that. You. Want. To educate Pakistani. Society about. Science but speak truth with all your heart sir I know you also afraid to open up in Pakistan society
The reason for Pakistan’s current state of affairs can be summed up in the title of this discussion. The question should never be “Is Science compatible with religion, the question should be Is religion compatible with science”. The answer for most part will always be a resounding No. These books were written by people from that era and with their limited understanding of the world around them and it is clearly evident if you actually read the books. For a common man of that era, they were definitely advanced to some extent , but they cannot be compatible with our current understanding and expecting so is unfair as well. It is almost like expecting a first grader to have the same understanding of theoretical physics as a physicist with a PhD degree. We should aspire get lessons of morality, empathy and compassion from any of the religious books, but expecting them to solve science problems is utterly irrational. While we know that Life as we know it the most rarest thing in the universe, 80% of the world’s population is fighting over “whose invisible friend is better? And whose medieval books are the holiest?”. If we allocated even a portion this collective intellectual capital into science, imagine how advanced and rational our world would be. Instead of falling for rhetoric and brainwashing, everyone should think on their own and form opinions based on facts and objective understanding. I see divinity in the Hubble deep field picture, photograph of M81’s black hole, 20 billion transistors being printed on a 1 square inch of an apple’s M3 chip, the LHC and the JWST. Sit back and try to understand the universe around you and the awe it can inspire.
In my opinion Dr Hoodbhoy has a shallow knowledge about Dr Iqbal's Reconstruction of religious thoughts in Islam, Iqbal knew very well about the negative impact of Greek philosophy,
Dr. Hoodboy had to waste 2hrs of his valuable time just because we don't accept the fact that its not religion's business to teach science to humanity and defenitely not Islam or quran's business to teach science to Muslims. The same reason why it is not science's business to prove existence of God/Gods or Allah. And why are we so insecure about Islam not being compatible with Science? Even if it is not compatible with science whats the big deal?
Without a doubt, Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal. He certainly does not love those who are too proud (Arrogant) (Surah An-Nahl, 16:23)
I wish those parents had brought a book or comic or smartphone for the young girl child in the front row. Even this highly enriching talk must have been such a torture for the young one!!!
Scientists are seekers of truth. Religious are believers of what has been said as truth. Difference is in seeking the truth and experiencing it with our faculty of mind and senses versus blindly believing in tenets of religion and things unverifiable by our mind and senses to be believed & accepted. Scientific facts are verifiable by anybody anywhere in the world by following the same principles to arrive at the same conclusions. Religious sayings can only be believed.Beliefs and interpretations differ from place to place.
The QURAN has nothing to do with SCIENCE being mutually exclusive.The prominence of religion and its role in creation of Pakistan and later on Islam particularly Sunnism became so important,universal and dominant that all opposition was crushed legally (BLASPHEMY)or by force ( JIHADIS).Now it is difficult to get out of this conflict in spite of courageos,committed, enlightened and well meaning people like Prof.Dr.Pervej Houdbhoy.In fact it is not only Pakistan but the whole Islamic world is suffering because of this conflict.Other religions like Hinduism and Christianity equally have conflicting views expressed in their books against science.But the opposition is not that strong as is by the Jihadi of Islam where all opposition deserves to be ELEMINATED.THE FUTURE IS WITH AND ONLY WITH SCIENCE RELIGION HAS NO FUTURE WHERE IT CONTRADICT SCIENCE.
whenever there is no mention or reference in Koran then one must find answer through science. e.g. if Koran is silent about using automobile, then you decide whether you want to use automobile.
Human science is empirical. It only believes in things that we can percieve through any of our five senses or the instruments that we have made to extend them. Yet Allah talks about the other creation like angels and jinn whose existance cannot be proved scientifically.
Quran says La Rayb which means there's no doubt in this holy book called Quran, problem with the people born Muslim is that they link it with the rest of the holy books which have not been in their original form, God has mentioned in the Quran of it's protection, and not all the rest of the holy books revealed in different Era on different prophets , that has been the age-old problems in the long history of Mankind,
Science has proved when you open your eyes the rays falling on a picture or object enters your eyes and reaches the brain which comprehends the image or objects and identifies it. In other words If Allah's creation itself is full of objects in nature having shapes and sizes how can one be against images, shapes and objects of certain shapes and material. Can the learned Professor explain this ???
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Once you see something you cannot unsee. That is the triumph of science.
Salute to the First Questioner for his daring to question such basic things which are hard to even speak in Pakistan. People are murdered and lynched on this.
So this has been our problem from the very beginning that we bring religion into everything…..Science is Science Politics is Politics and Religion is Religion please for God’s sake do NOT mix them together! Religion is everyone’s personal matter and keep that to yourself……🙏
rookie you are
wisdom you lack
@@zayd8618 I wish I could…. only those countries have developed which could confined religion inside their homes!
@@connectingthedots1309 speak like Yoda you are.
You are 101% incorrect... Islam is a religion which you guide about all the things... So politics, science and other things are not out of Islam.
@@eknayisooch3288 it’s your opinion and you have the right to express your opinion just like I have the right to express my opinion! Let’s agree to disagree……😊
Questioning and analysis is very important for human being. If that is stopped then we stop progress.
yes and it is compatible, but trying to stop death and whatnot is not compatible so you must accept and understand the science, they need to grow and develop drought and flood resistant crops
Ibn e Rushd was an Ex Muslim..Pervez Hoodbhoy knows this but he did not mention ExMuslim in the lecture otherwise he would have been declared a Gustakh in Pakistan
yes only hypocrites can live in Pakistan
Such things don’t happen in india? Just because it’s economically better doesn’t mean people with cheap mentally don’t live in india. Do you know Indians believe that everything in science was invented by Indians ? E.g aeroplane was not invented by wright brothers, but some Indian guy 😂😂
@@9Rehankhan19 oh u r one of those who thinks all science exists in Quran 😆 🤣
Maybe, but there were many others too. In the modern times the nobel prize laureate Dr Abdus Salam, he was a practicing muslim
@@mariarauf3280 and abdus salam was made to flee Pakistan right, he is not even consider a Muslim
I wish that when questions are raised the individual gives his name and qualification. At 1:08:00 a young person asked a series of well thought out questions. He articulated his questions well. I am amazed. I wish the young gentleman all the best. And in a decade or two we are going to hear more about him
Thankyou for your kind words 🙏
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Hoodbhoy is wrong is saying that threre was no science before 712 ad when Muhammad bin quasim came there was no science. There was science before islam and before quasim came to india. India had made advance in mathematics and astronomy.
Well is not very well versed in indian history, he is heavily influended by western interpretation of indian history. Sad reality why pakistan is behind science.
May be he said that there is no science in Sindh region not all in India
@user-rz5ei8xl5e wrong, sindh was good mathematic and science. They build civilization on Indus River, that requires science and technological advancement. Your comment show lack of knowledge and inferiority complex you have. This is typical of pakistani and specialy punjabi muslims.
Religion is based on Faith and Science is based on Reason. Asha’arites emphasised Faith and Mutallazites Reason. The two domains are mutually exclusive. I agree with Dr Sahib that this question will always remain unanswered. Wonderful examples of Sir Syed and Iqbal, one started from point A and ended up at Point B and the other just its opposite. I think the prevailing circumstances and individual’s psychology play a big role.
Agreed 100%
1.05.30 The questioner puts a blasphemy trap. Possibly because it would not have been the first time, the Professor responds in the most simplest & safest yet sophisticated fashion and closes it with the clearest, stunning yet painless knock out punch. Leaving the questioner with the choice to regress and remain frozen in Mohammed’s time, or progress with time.
Science and islam are poles apart😂
The question should be: Is Islam compatible with science?
Not the other way around.
Why should this even be a question?
@@asif20024077 Because Pakistan is a failure. Maybe hard questions like that will help Pakistan climb out the mess it is.
In the context of Pakistan, the history of Science in the Indian Sub Continent in which one of the oldest civilization existed and the oldest documented science scriptures exists, Pakistan which happened to be a part of India until the last 75 years, why intellectuals in Pakistan shy away from accepting and discussing the legacy of India which they should also be proud of. Pakistan not being part of the Middle East should identify more as from India. I am not saying that Pakistan doesn't have its own identity, but should acknowledge it as the son from the same mother and so discuss the inheritances of the legacies of science and mathematics with its young minds and not disconnect with it due to differences in faith.
I wish All the very Best.
Christianism and Islamism can’t think outside if book 📖
@@dharmikrakshak8340 most prominent scientists have been from Christianity faith. Very few from Hinduism and Islam. You people still live in ancient times that Hindus discovered and invented everything. Britishers stole scientistic discoveries from you. While as, the fact is Indian scientists were more prominent during British era. After independence, I hardly see any major inventions or discoveries from Indians.
@@9Rehankhan19 first correct Christianism and Mohammedi (islamism is new term 30 to 40 year old )
Very few scientists are Christian ,all are belong to Protestant group like ahhmaddiya in you islamism . Dr abbas noble prize winner is ahhmaddiya. Ahhmaddiya firka are same as Protestant.
Ask yourself question son of god appeared 2000 ago, messenger of good appeared 1400 year ago and DARK AGES started??? dark ages period end 500 year ago .
0 zero is invention of Hindu. can you make software without 0.
your Quran use Hindu numbers.
Sanskrit. Mother language of all language .PAKIS ,TURKMENI, AFGHANI, all have staan. It is Sanskrit word
Grammar is created by Hindu.many more
India and South Asia in general no longer host the same quality of universities and centres of learning they once possessed in times of old. Nalanda is a historical landmark, and within its dust encrusted walls sits the forgotten legacy of giants of maths and logic. I say this as a person born in Pakistan but a citizen of the world.
The Arabs formulated algebra by borrowing extensively from the knowledge of ancient India, all those who have attended impartially to the evidence of history would know this fact.
Having said that, it’s important to remember that contemporary scholars, especially scientists who attend the prestigious universities of the western world, are inevitably imbued with a western bias. The ancient Greeks were indeed exemplars of incredible scientific discovery and knowledge, ranging from Archimedes to Pythagoras. But they weren’t the only ancients who advanced science, as western intellectuals seem to think.
The name of the first ever manned lunar mission was ‘Apollo’, the name of an Ancient Greek god. The name Cosmos, denoting the universe, is a Greek word meaning order, the opposite of chaos, ‘disaster’ is Greek for bad star etc. The entire western framework for scientific rationality leans heavily on the classical Greeks and their works, as I learned when I read Carl Sagans Cosmos. Pervez Hoodhboy, and other scholars like him, educated at elite western universities like MIT or Harvard, Stanford or Yale, would inevitably regurgitate much of that bias.
Edit: this response was NOT written by chat gpt or any AI bot lol.
@@9Rehankhan19kuch bhi matlab kuch bhi….not every white from west was a christian…pakistan ko samajh nhi aata ki some people dont follow any religion…and regarding india…scientists and mathematicians pehle se hi the….
Hardly any audience. Still I salute Prof. Hudhbhoy's efforts
Very nice lecture in the beginning ! Balanced speech !!
1:04:30 that's why pakistan is number one in the world.
It's not understood as to why Muslim invaders destroyed ancient libraries ?
Centres of learning, like Taxila and Nalanda were destroyed.
Because of their hatred of any knowledge contrary to the what is written in their holy book.
The title of the discussion itself is wrong. Science has been around forever. Islam is like a newborn child in front of science. The title should be - Is Islam compatible with SCIENCE.
Faith and reasoning are poles apart
Credit goes to the little girl who sat through the whole length of a high level science class. It is unmeaning to go for compatibility of science and religion. Religion is founded on belief which deals with material and moral world so far as those relate to humans. Whereas science is limited to exploration of truth about natural phenomena in our material world irrespective of humans, their values, belief, morality and life hereafter. In my view science also should be guided by morality and shouldn’t go for discoveries of things utterly destructive to humanity.
Root question for the pakistani muslims remains the same - how did Allah communicate with Nabi Musa ? If they can't give the simple answer then atleast they should treat good their fellow Hindus and christian and Sikh citizens well as the fellow humans.
What I understand by the word compatibility means ability to co exist without conflict. To me the Quran doesn't challenge science. Rather it emphasis to think logically over the universe. Moreover the religion just gives broad guidelines on life and the universe and let it to the human to explore.
Islam does very explicitly reject evolution thouhj
theory of evolution??
Science and religion are closely interconnected in the scientific study of religion, which can be traced back to seventeenth-century natural histories of religion. Natural historians attempted to provide naturalistic explanations for human behavior and culture, including religion and morality
Having heard some of the questions even Pervez Hoodbhoy realised that most of the audience is radicalised beyond repair 😢
Wonderful teacher ❤
The title of the video should be exactly opposite. Is Islam compatible with Science ?
To pose this question and then waffle, when a young man frames a clear question on Darwin's theory being in contradiction with the Quran, is literally damaging the minds of the young...
Psychology is the branch of science
South Asian Islam is unique. Let’s take the marriage ceremony- it’s 90% Hindu amongst Muslims. I have read Quran a few times (in my view Maulana Wahiduddin Khan’s translation is the best). I’ve stayed in Indonesia and nearly all gulf countries. Their Islam is so different from ours. South Asian Muslims are struggling with a religious identity. As for religion- to be in this era has nothing to do with religion.
I wanted to say as for science
There is no such thing as south asian Islam LOL. You just hate religion
The professor definitely needs to get a bit more educated on Hinduism.
Hindu Vedas believe there is one intelligent force due to which creation came to being you may call it by one name or 5000 names of your choice.
Just because you call him by 5000 different names it does not mean there are 5000 Gods.
It is your spiritual democratic individual right to call him by the name you choose.
" Ekam Sat, Vipraha bahuda Vadanthi"
Sanskrit "Reality is one and knowledgeable ones call it by different names"
First correct your religion name. Don't use nick name Hinduism for sanatana.
There are four different copies of your vedas, which veda are you talking about? Which one is authentic and genuine?
Copied from internet,
*There are at least hundreds of millions of gods, according to the ancient Shastras of Sanatana Dharma such as the four Vedas, the Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, etc. The Puranas especially give vast genealogies of the gods, including thousands of specific deities. There are major Gods, full forms/aspects of the ultimate reality Saguna Brahman, like Ganesha, Shakti, Parvati, Kali, Durga, Shiva, Vishnu, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Surya, Skanda, etc., ranging down to still great but non-absolute Gods like Brahma, Hanuman, Ganga, Samudra, Indra, Agni, Soma, Prithvi, Nandi, Manasa, etc. There are Avatars like Rama, Krishna, Narasingha, Parashurama, Buddha, Minakshi, and many more.*
Hope this will help you understand your religion better.
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We dont need Guruji Aqeel to understand our religion.
The four vedas are not different but branches of Knowledge of espousing Philosophy of God, Creation etc
Agree the real name is sanathana Dharma but used the term Hinduism for understanding in common parlance.Thank you for that
Your google guru's explanation of Hundreds of Gods(
Perhaps loaded by a Christian missionary as I can make out from language) it is not the term God we use they are Called Deities by us
Deities translation somewhat nearest equivalent can be Angels.
We are proud of religion just like you are about your religion and there ends the matter.
Ultimately all of us are trying to reach the supreme in our own way.
The theory that this is the only way, the only book, Only name does not jell as sanatana Dharma is a democratic religion goading followers to seek the truth rather than believing in something
Again you are assuming that similar to Koran there should be one book to follow in Santana but that is not case in santana@@aqeelqureshi4964
All i can say is Pervez ji is not that knowledgeable as it is potrayed..... Books from Nalanda and Udantapuri were initially translated even before the Bagdad University was developed
There is no proof of that
I am a Vedantin (Hindu) but when I read the Buddhist and Jain version of creation if forced me to question everything. They asked a very logical question. They said that when you say that life and the World are too complex to not have been created by a God, then that God is even more complex how did it has no creator? How did that God created itself? Also, Jainism asks one more question that you say God existed before the creation of the World so where did He existed? In a certain space, that means even the space have an eternal existence so why can't the World be created by itself? Very deep.
Once my teacher said "every scholar has a pitfall in which he once falls once a life", so do not be dependent upon a scholar in each sense. But I see Dr Hoodbhoy is remains always in pitfall and if he says something correctly, this is the exception of that status of being in a pitfall.
So sad that this kind of great doctor is unaware of basic concepts of history of Muslims.
Medieval Islam was probably more compatible with science than modern Islam which has become more fundamentalistic and inward looking !!.
@ Pervez Hoodbouy
Please read what following physicists have said about Vedas and Bhagavad Gita : 1 Erwin Schrödinger 2.Werner Heisenberg, 3. Robert Oppenheimer, 4. Niels Bohr, 5. Carl Sagan, 6. NikolaTesla, 7 Albert Einstein
If you want to know what exactly these physicists have said about vedas and Bhagavad Gita please let me know so that you can enlighten yourself and stop criticism of what you are completely ignorant about !
I want to know what they said exactly. Please specify
What did they say?
Islam's worldview and history and social issues are so radically different from Hindu-Buddhist-Jain-Sikh that it is no surprise that partition happened.
But it doesn't mean that 2-nation theory as laid out in 1947 made any sense, as it is too simplistic.
No use playing music to deaf but hats off to you for trying to remove their blindfold
Never ,Science enhance the understanding of Islam but it requires a lot of observations, research and understanding of science.
Karam sy bada dharam koi nahi hy
Aja tumhari tang todne ka karam karna h. 😀
Koi bhi dhandha chota nahi aor dharam say bhada koi dhandha nahi.
@@alamagoddystyle han islam ek dharam nai dhanda hai , usko manNe walla ek bewkoof banda hai
Kisne kah diya Hinduism me
5000 khuda h mtlb kuch bhi
Iswar ek hi h.
Vo khooda nhi h
Avtaar h
Ise aap kuch had tk nbiyo se jod skte h
To kya m ye kh du
Ki islam me 1 lakh khooda h.
Islam is not against science or local cultures and traditions; therefore this topic is just confusing the conversation. First need to understand what Islam is as it gives us guidance and moral values and science is totally different topic and is not unIslamic. In this discussion only hearsay Islam is being discussed but not real Islam
Cause and happening, Illat and Maalool, that can be seen by the naked eye, but there are certain happening you don't see, that's where you start believing in the unseen world, or the prayers what we find in all religions of the world,
Religion Islam focus on one god, heaven, hell, day of judgement, sociology and some economics.
It is responsibility of modern muslim world to prosper in modern world by education, learning, science, technology, economy and sociology etc.
Problem is that muslims have stopped learning and expanding on knowledge and limited themselves to religion.
number system including zero was invented in India and such other scientific knowledge went to Arab and from there to Europe then how it can be said that Indian knowledge to Arab was very less, even Aristotle had asked Alexander that when he reached India to enquire about the learned schoolers in India who were very famous in Yunan.
As per me Science is universal whereas religion is not universal.
Sir I have a question but it is not related to this topic.. May I ask?
Yes
I hope he is still alive after this seminar.
I never reckoned Darwin Theory but after seeing Atta Tarard I belive Darwin was right. 😄😄😄
Dr sb hamesha mazhab ko os k origin k bjae 'mazhabi' logoN k farmudat, ihmaal ore history k lihaz se dekhtay haiN.
Biological psychology
Physiological psychology
This is very interesting discussion. But one point to be raised here: if Quran tells every thing what now science is, i.e. Allah, means world only came into existence just 1400yrs.
While human races came thousands year before. Quran came only 1400yrs as given by Allah!
ھود بھائ صاحب کی کتاب مسلم اور سائنس بھی اس موضوع پر پر اثر کتاب ہے۔
Science and islam is opposite thing .Islam teaches u that earth is flat 😂😂. Instead read bhagawat Gita instead
Read Quran first meri jaan
@Respectshorts_900where ?😂
The nub of the matter is that all 'revealed' religions which require one to SIMPLY BELIEVE are helpful, if at all, in organizing and ordering our earthly existence. To reach out in the direction of ultimate truth are the experiential ways of the great Seers/Rishis, Vedanta...and now Science & Quantum Physics are finding REALITY to be eerily close to the descriptions of the Rishis and in Buddhism [read Tao Of Physics, for example]
Thus, under the protection of westerners, he got rid off mullahs fear to act and think like his masters to prefix his name with SIR.
Seeing the dumb questions by the audience, Pakistan has no hope.
Tehzibul Akhlaq by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, but in today's time Mullaism remains the biggest challenge of Islam, Iqbal's booklet Iqbal Aur Mulla is the typical example of Mullaism explained by Iqbal,
Magic phrase is Peaceful co-existance could work but only through the sharing of Values, of all ideologies of all times
Dear sir, you should have mentioned Al Mawardi who was a bridge between the orthodox Greek philosophy and Sharia unlike Farabi who was his cotemporary and a vital exponent of Greek philosophical thought especially Aristotle
Ah people from this little Historically Converted society By Abrahamic Thought are fun to listen to.
Following an unchanging philosophy in a changing world is idiotic and foolish. Let's move from religion to responsibility. Thank you
A single book cannot have all the wisdom in the world. This fanatism led to huge genocides in history.
Islam and science are two poles of a magnet, South pole and north pole. Do not try to bring them together.
True religion is about how to live ethically here on earth and not primarily about what happens after death.
Sorry to see that all questions are baseless. You follow a religion because you are born to parents who follow that religion. If you were shifted to a hindu parent or chrisian parent then you will follow their religion. It means religion has no control over your mind. However science is universal...... prove and this will be followed by everyone across the world.
Sir, should this not be other way around ?
Such a intelligent boy🎉
Once our prophet Muhammad saws emerged from home to see two groups of people indulged in the debate of Qada w Qadr, thereupon prophet Muhammad saws showed his anger and said, Stop this silly discussion, if you don't you might continue till Doomsday,
To know about how life originated on this earth read about Miller-Urey experiment. Also about Cambrian Explosion.
Some communities remained Jahils over the centuries and still continue to be so.
The Prof doesn't seem to know that in Vedanta there is no duality. The thousands of God's he is referring to are deities representing different deities...whichever the form you choose to dwell on, no Hindu denies that all the varied forms all lead to the same ultimate Truth.
Last line - Don't take them seriously.
What a great minds 😜🙂😜😜🙂
Sir ye bata pakistanio ke liye bata rahe hai, views aur comments mein Indians hote hai.
Pakistani lage hai apne jihad mein.
For Pakistan to make progress in Science or other fields, the country and the people need to embrace their Indian identity rather than claim some nonexistent arabic heritage. Indian heritage provides solid identity that gave Taxila university that was established in present day Pakistan. Your ancestors were not in the desert. They were in the fertile delta.
پرویز صاحب ۔ انسان کے دو پیراڈئم ہیں ، جن میں تبدیلی اُس کی عمر کے ساتھ ہوتی ہے ۔ ایک فزیکل پیرا ڈائم (جو حواسِ خمسہ ) جسے وہ کائینات میں ہونے والی تبدیلیوں کے ساتھ، وہ ساتھ تبدیل ہوتا ہے اور دوسرا سپرٹوئل پیرا ڈائم (الھام) جسے وہ اُس کے ماحول کےمطابق مثبت اور منفیت ترازو میں جانتا رہتا ہے ۔ جوکُلی طور پر کلیٹو کانشیئنس کے جھکاؤ پر منحصر ہے ۔ اگر کلیٹو کانشیئنسس مثبت ہے تو ثبوت کا پلڑا جھک جائے گا اور اگر کلیٹو کانشیئنسس منفی ہے تو انکار کا پلڑا جھک جائے گا ۔(خالد مہاجر زادہ)
Does a book in Islam that says earth is flat?
It's ok that. You. Want. To educate Pakistani. Society about. Science but speak truth with all your heart sir I know you also afraid to open up in Pakistan society
Chup kar kafir dozakh mai jalayga tu apni mata ke sath
The reason for Pakistan’s current state of affairs can be summed up in the title of this discussion. The question should never be “Is Science compatible with religion, the question should be Is religion compatible with science”. The answer for most part will always be a resounding No. These books were written by people from that era and with their limited understanding of the world around them and it is clearly evident if you actually read the books. For a common man of that era, they were definitely advanced to some extent , but they cannot be compatible with our current understanding and expecting so is unfair as well. It is almost like expecting a first grader to have the same understanding of theoretical physics as a physicist with a PhD degree. We should aspire get lessons of morality, empathy and compassion from any of the religious books, but expecting them to solve science problems is utterly irrational. While we know that Life as we know it the most rarest thing in the universe, 80% of the world’s population is fighting over “whose invisible friend is better? And whose medieval books are the holiest?”. If we allocated even a portion this collective intellectual capital into science, imagine how advanced and rational our world would be. Instead of falling for rhetoric and brainwashing, everyone should think on their own and form opinions based on facts and objective understanding.
I see divinity in the Hubble deep field picture, photograph of M81’s black hole, 20 billion transistors being printed on a 1 square inch of an apple’s M3 chip, the LHC and the JWST. Sit back and try to understand the universe around you and the awe it can inspire.
Why only few views
What's the need of the lengthy talk? The obvious answer is No!😅
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OMG what a question
Short and simple answer: No.
In my opinion Dr Hoodbhoy has a shallow knowledge about Dr Iqbal's Reconstruction of religious thoughts in Islam, Iqbal knew very well about the negative impact of Greek philosophy,
Dr. Hoodboy had to waste 2hrs of his valuable time just because we don't accept the fact that its not religion's business to teach science to humanity and defenitely not Islam or quran's business to teach science to Muslims. The same reason why it is not science's business to prove existence of God/Gods or Allah. And why are we so insecure about Islam not being compatible with Science? Even if it is not compatible with science whats the big deal?
Averroes or Ibn Rushd Mutazzila has contributed to put the heads together of all the 3 religions of Abrahamic traditions,
Kya Pakistan jaljle or Turkey ke jaljle me jo log mre vo paapi the ya us area me paap bd gya tha
Or allah ne un pr aejab laya.
Without a doubt, Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal. He certainly does not love those who are too proud (Arrogant)
(Surah An-Nahl, 16:23)
I wish those parents had brought a book or comic or smartphone for the young girl child in the front row. Even this highly enriching talk must have been such a torture for the young one!!!
Scientists are seekers of truth.
Religious are believers of what has been said as truth.
Difference is in seeking the truth and experiencing it with our faculty of mind and senses versus blindly believing in tenets of religion and things unverifiable by our mind and senses to be believed & accepted.
Scientific facts are verifiable by anybody anywhere in the world by following the same principles to arrive at the same conclusions.
Religious sayings can only be believed.Beliefs and interpretations differ from place to place.
The QURAN has nothing to do with SCIENCE being mutually exclusive.The prominence of religion and its role in creation of Pakistan and later on Islam particularly Sunnism became so important,universal and dominant that all opposition was crushed legally (BLASPHEMY)or by force ( JIHADIS).Now it is difficult to get out of this conflict in spite of courageos,committed, enlightened and well meaning people like Prof.Dr.Pervej Houdbhoy.In fact it is not only Pakistan but the whole Islamic world is suffering because of this conflict.Other religions like Hinduism and Christianity equally have conflicting views expressed in their books against science.But the opposition is not that strong as is by the Jihadi of Islam where all opposition deserves to be ELEMINATED.THE FUTURE IS WITH AND ONLY WITH SCIENCE RELIGION HAS NO FUTURE WHERE IT CONTRADICT SCIENCE.
whenever there is no mention or reference in Koran then one must find answer through science. e.g. if Koran is silent about using automobile, then you decide whether you want to use automobile.
science gives proof for any things but that asmaani kitaab is based on hypothetical evidence…
Not at all.
I think this world.... Facing two common problem of inequality... And injustice ....if we create equality and justice... Then people come with us
Agreed 100%
Human science is empirical. It only believes in things that we can percieve through any of our five senses or the instruments that we have made to extend them.
Yet Allah talks about the other creation like angels and jinn whose existance cannot be proved scientifically.
Did Baghdad city exist in 712 AD?
Quran says La Rayb which means there's no doubt in this holy book called Quran, problem with the people born Muslim is that they link it with the rest of the holy books which have not been in their original form, God has mentioned in the Quran of it's protection, and not all the rest of the holy books revealed in different Era on different prophets , that has been the age-old problems in the long history of Mankind,
according to islam earth is flat
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Science has proved when you open your eyes the rays falling on a picture or object enters your eyes and reaches the brain which comprehends the image or objects and identifies it.
In other words If Allah's creation itself is full of objects in nature having shapes and sizes how can one be against images, shapes and objects of certain shapes and material.
Can the learned Professor explain this ???
How exactly did Allah communicate with Nabi Musa ?
TAQQIYA in full swing