Pakistan was growing better than India intialy not because Pakistanis were doing great it was because American and British pouring money into it. Asian Tiger 🐯 is just a name given to appease people and top leadership.
Early 1960 pakistan was called Asian Tiger by looting resources and foreign export revenue from East Bengal and systemetically made east bengal as 2nd poorest part of the world and burden of pakistan because bengal & people of bengal never treated as equal but bengal was treated as a colony of pakistan.
Wrong. If that Indian propaganda were true, why did Bangladesh only surpass Pakistan economically in 2015, forty years after independence? Pakistan would have declined spectacularly and Bangladesh soared high soon after independence (1971) if we were exploiting their resources.
Watching from India because we always get some critical analysis of our Country from your side. Beg to differ from Amin’s views where he justifies huge expenditure on your Military to counter perceived threat from India. In fact majority of Indians view Akhand Bharat a myth. Our PM is on record stating “we don’t want this to happen because India will then become a Muslim majority country “( with all the tragic consequences like your country is facing now). Pakistan is not of any relevance to us. Right now our priority is Development & to compete with China and play our rightful role in World affairs.
Story of pakistan: 1. Land from india 2.religion from arab(converted) 3.punjabi speaking urdu from india 4. Role model gauri , gaznavi ,mughal, bin laden, 5.national song in farsi 6. Favourite show turkish. My grandmother's age is more than pakistan .
My mother In law family were living in big house and they lost everything including jewellery and had returned to India. His father carried the one musical instrument. they were asked to leave behind everything otherwise they will be killed.
@@nalinikoutha2091 Unfortunately, Global Lèft & Líberal Gàng Don’t Care About The Fact. They Just Wanna Spread Their Narrative. Congress Has Never Tríed To Become Vòíce Of Híndùs Suffèrèd In Pakístàn & Banglàdesh. BJP Is No Less.
My grandfather was a landlord in Pakistan, had to move to Hindustan and he became a daily labor. My grandmother died in poverty. Muslims demanded Pakistan and remained in Hindustan and Sikhs / Hindus had to leave everything behind for Muslims.
Amin’s concept of comparing a citizen with a shareholders is a positive thought but being a business he has horrible understanding of the recent history of Pakistan in believing that they were a economic tiger…. Really by begging for aids and borrowed funds from IMF and zakat from Saudi, UAE , Kuwait and Chinkis … how come a successful business man could make such a mistake. Professor brought some realistic sense in the discussion.
Professor Hoodbhoy was praising India's school pedagogy whereas many in India think we have a long path to cover in inculcating true levels of critical thinking. I wonder what is taught in Pakistani schools!
@ 01:35:00 I 'm an Indian. But, thank you Dr Parvez for being so magnanimous to the spirited Schoolteacher. You did what a true Guru from our common ancient culture would do.
The listeners raised some very pertinent questions. All the honest answers came from Professor Hoodbhoy. The responses from Mr. Hashwani were those which he has mugged up as part of his narrative. This inspite of his claims to be in favour of critical thinking!
The physicist in scholarly Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy shines through. His kind of intellect is possible only through scientific education. He is brutally honest when he discusses his experiences in India. There is no comparison between the two counties. Thank you for constantly brutally busting your guest’ false narrative regarding India.
Hard Sciences strive for objective empirical reality. Let’s take relativity, underlying that, there are “invariants”. True science tries to understand the invariants. Social scientists who have misunderstood relativity think anything goes because they mistake relativity as absence of an invariant truth
Mr. Narendra Modi's populism is based on his own untiring work for the betterment ofindian population, is based on his belief of our long standing ancestry & civilisation & most of all his non corrupt governance.All these points makes him a popular leader. His stature on world political arena is also increasing day by day.
@@wokerocks true ! But not as much still there is enough people who opposes autocracy and promote decency unfortunately we are stuck between a rock and hard place where one side is communal bjp thugs who were once tmc other side corrupt tmc thugs! In middle bongs 😂
@@wokerocks bhai don’t get angry it’s just an observation . You can google and check facts koi foreign govt ka data nehi apna Indian govt ka data hein.
@@BengalifirstI don’t think Hindi heartland is educationally that backward. I understand it needs to catchup though. But with Mr. Modi, I can say that he is a polarising figure but on few points I give him credit. - Decision making made faster - Internal and External security is way better. Don’t hear bomb blasts except one or two in J&K. - Foreign policy is much better. - some of the national issues were settled for good. Though they can be debated.
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I like how Hoodboy sir has kinda taken over the stage when he realizes the main speaker was kind of steering away from the truth and tried to present stuff in broad strokes completely grazing away from the actual topic which is to go back to the roots.
1:26:00 Dr. Hoodbhoy is such a gem. He is a National treasure and I wished he was Indian. He is trying to change the mindset that has been corrupted by 70 years of islamisation with his brilliance and brutal honesty. I really wish to hear him in person one day.
Most critics of India are from outside the country, apart from the opposition of course. These critics just do not know anything about the country. India has 1.4 billion people! About 20% are Muslims who generally happen to do much much better than the Muslims of Pakistan. There are no fights or killings of Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, or other offshoots of Islam. Hindus per se are secular by build. If they had the same thought process of a Muslim, there wouldn't be any Muslims left in India. You see the point?
Alas even Dr Hoodbhoy and the likes in Pakistan develop the ability to digest this ground reality fact in India.....and that Hinduism has no parallel with Islam....so even the extreme right wing polity sect is much less conservative than the 'enlightened' Muslim liberals in Pakistan...we don't have any Asmani Holy Book to be adhered with....
The speaker does not rate the delivery of promises by PM Modi. Therein lies the problem of his analysis. He has not only delivered on his political promises but also delivered on raising the bar of food security of the poor, increasing economic development, inclusion of women and marginalized in the economic process. One of his successes is bringing Jammu & Kashmir into the mainstream administrative realm. He has delivered. While it may not be palatable to some, the country at large accepts his delivery of what he promises. As they say, Modi hai to mumkin hai. People see this as happening. While there has been no leader in Pakistan who has delivered thus, I understand that it would be difficult for them to comprehend this.
Well there comes the supremacist Islami mindset, how can a Hindu nation get ahead of us, if they are making progress let's not talk about the positives and brush it in the dustbin saying "there is fascism in India".
Modi has not delivered industrialization and jobs. Modi has not delivered governance and judicial reforms. GST was rolled out terribly, and it is still terrible.
@@patmclaughlin107 Have you compared the rate of industrial production of India to that of EURO ZONE or USA or CHINA in the last 18 months? It may be a light bulb moment for you. Judicial reforms is being opposed by the judiciary themselves. I understand that reforms are not popular and the political dispensation does have to pay a price for it. GST was a requirement not a luxury for it to be deferrred and wait for an ideal moment to start. I say, good job by the current government of the day but more needs to be done, we will be pressing the government to do more, by participating with it.
By listening the guest, one can comfortably draw inferences that the Pakistani liberal intellectuals have not yet come out of the hindu hatred syndrome and supermacist attitude. Their conflicting ideological thoughts such as aspiring for democracy and praising the dictatorial military rules is a classical example of intellectual bankruptcy. This gentleman too is one of them. He is not intellectually capable enough to pass judgment on Modi and Indian electorates. Intellectual like Ishaque Dar is considered better economist than Miftah Ismail is another example of intellectual bankruptcy. If smart economist like Ishaque Dar would be in India he would have doing no better job than puncture repairing.
I am 16yrs old from Nagpur , Maharashtra 🇮🇳🍁 I love to watch this channel 😄 😀 ❤ ( Why you have to be Anti India to potray yourself as Pakistani ? Modi Ji is the best pm )
Pakistan is an Islamic republic. It's citizens are often asked not to question the country's working culture quoting reference of their religious scriptures. Common people do not know about their rights of equality, freedom, education, constitutional remedies, right against exploitation and freedom of speech granted in a true democracy. Otherwise, people would have reformed this country long back through effective criticism.
Agreed with you sir for all that you have written above, Pakistan would have been better off if it was Republic of Pakistan instead of Islamic Republic of Pakistan…… the question is that every Pakistani should ask how a country can be Islamic and Republic at the same time?
Dear Dr. Prevez, I'm from India and quite regularly watch the discussions on The Black Hole. To be frank, I never found you as candid about your views on India Pakistan relationship as in this debate. I'm not impressed because I am an Indian and you spoke in favour of India. The thing is, you spoke truth and that too quite bluntly. Pakistan's biggest problem is its obsession with Islam coupled with its belief that all kafirs are inferior. It's okay to love your religion, but to have a feeling of contempt towards other religions is unacceptable. I ❤your statement that Hindus are aboriginals of this land. I pray that more sane voices like you come up in Pakistan; as that would go a long way in making your country prosperous and peaceful. Amen!!
Dr Hoodbhoy...You have made a very pertinent point that Hindus in Pakistan are as much Pakistanis as the Muslims. Excellent....My question to you is as follows...Why are children in schools reading text books which demean Hindus.? This has been stated by many RUclipsrs from Pakistan.To the best of my knowledge in India there are no textbooks demeaning Muslims or Islam. Yes..there could be text books with content about the barbaric actions of Mughals..but that is specific to the emperor not to the community or religion.
Becoming Hindu will require real courage. If they get that much courage they will become real Musalmaan which is such a pious gold standard word. I am really pained as Hindu to see our derouted brothers and sisters in such helpless disarray.
The speaker displays severe cognitive dissonance at every level. 1. Anchoring the Pakistani identity to 1947. The degree of myopia and the sheer disregard of human history and cultural efflorescence in this assumption is stunning. 2. The constant value judgement of India. Calling India a fascist state, while sitting in a country that actually cleansed its minorities and teaches Islamic Supremacism in its school textbooks. And, in the same breath, admiring another fascist state China that has also subjugated and cleansed every kind of identity that does not conform with the Han Chinese identity. 3. He conveniently calls America and Israel as occupiers that would not allow the status quo to alter. All the while not questioning what Muslims are doing in the subcontinent. Did they migrate into the land? Were they refugees? No, the Muslims are occupiers of equal calibre, if not of a worse kind. The Jews and the Europeans in America at least brought their women with them, rather than ravaging the womenfolk of this traumatized land. 4. "Scandinavian countries are more Islamic than Pakistan", "Women Rights are paramount in Islam", What??? And these statements were quoted several times unchallenged. Maybe that is the cool-aid they are selling in Pakistan. While the real Muslim in Scandinavia dreams of Sharia. Even the fountainhead of Islam, Saudi, is steadily moving away from this ideology. These are some that I could retain. But, overall his rationality is marred with blatant erroneous facts (some that Mr. Hoodbhoy rectified) and he is unwilling to even acknowledge them. Maybe, in this time of sheer crisis one should remove themselves from their current identity and start looking the situation a priori. At least get down from the high horse and introspect humbly. But, it seems rock bottom is yet to arrive. I was expecting some depth in the title "Back to our Roots". Apparently, these roots don't go very deep, neither does anyone want to explore them. However, the impending storm is an unprecedented one. Feel sad for the powerless masses in this land. Unending suffering since a millennia and even more so within the last 75 years. One should not be pessimistic, but this is a decade of consequence. I would advise the Indian Government to prepare the western border to deal with the refugee outflow when it happens.
It's sad to see the number of attendees... It's what a Pakistani is.... Even in India we have such politics.... But go on Sir With your discussion..we are with you and .... Whatever... Keep on going Sir..,.
I have seen lot of Parvez hoodboy programs in RUclips,,, I admire him for his frank and sinciere and open approach,,,, But I am afraid he is aganist 2 big wall's Islam on one side and western liberal utopia He is fascinated by India and Nehruviam model But he dosent seem to know much abt indian real cultural values,,,,he sees india in a Nehruviam lens,,, Best of luck Pervezji,,, I admire your courage I am sceptic,,,
Ikr throughout is conversation it seemed like reading book and not so practical a book which would suggest number of things only 2 percent could be done practically
Fascinating discussion. The gentleman in check shirt made a critical/vital comment. It is a criminal act to teach children that death is the aim of life!
99% of the talk by Amin was critical of Pakistan’s political parties, society and establishment. His one passing comment about India has generated 99% of the reaction on this link….all negative and all from India. And the negativity is not only about his comments, but also about Pakistan, it’s people, and it’s religion! His Rumi comment about changing oneself equally appropriate for India as well.
Dear Umair, Although I'm an Indian but I've no malice towards Islam or Pakistan pre se, so please take my rely positively. You are right that 99% of Amin's talks were critical of Pakistan's present status, but then why were there so may negative reactions about his one passing remark about India. Umair, you need to appreciate that Pakistan's biggest problem is its obsession with Islam and the resultant hatred towards India, rather Hindu-India. Amin's 1% statement manifested this obsession of a typical Pakistani and this diluted all his 99% positive statements. Hence, the reactions...
The main problem in Pakistan is dual citizenship.. And no one raise this ques on any platform... I think its just bcz abt 99% of intellectuals of Pakistan have dual citizenship... Means they already have a backup plan if Pakistan fails.... Means while taking others country's citizenship they are already knowing that Pakistan is a failed state for them... But even after that they have the audacity to talk about nationalism... Back to our roots... What does even it means... That's also the problem they don't have any roots..
It's a fallacy to say that Pakistan was ever an "Asian tiger". It never had a manufacturing or technology base compared to its size. It was always agrarian with large landholders - no land reform was ever undertaken. Instead, Pakistan always pushed it's strategic location right from Jinnah onwards for which It was richly but sporadically rewarded. Those rewards made it appear successful and prosperous. Right now, that income stream has dried up and you can see the results. One more thing. Modi is a nationalist. He is not a populist. That's a completely incorrect reading. Indians vote for Modi because he performs and because he works hard for his country.
In his view secularism as anti Islam is bad, and the same happening in India where people are practising their identity is anti secularism and fascism. Hypocrisy of these so called intellectuals in Pakistan is no less harm to Pakistani society.
Dr Parvez sir I like the teacher in you , you remind of my teacher . India Pakistan should start the process of visit for academics and artists . Modi has the political capital to do it and our fm is probably one of the most capable minds in foreign policy hope they think about it.
Pakistan will surely change for better if such dialogues are continued and appreciated by the audience. The first step is the most difficult one. Nations can change their fate in just 40 years.
And every rape jihad ki najayaz paidaish ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool salwari Muslim is hearing this from past 75 years while there beloved islamic Republic of hira Mandi randistan porkistan bhikharistan Pakistan has went down the sewer 😂😂
Pakistan has intellectuals who may have strong head but weak heart hands and legs and Amin is one of them. He is a one eyed king among blind Pakistanis
@@safdarakbari What To Tàke Positive Sír. These Are So Many UTube Channels Where Jaahíl People Crítícísé Híndu & Indía. We Dón't Go And Commént There. We Cóme Here On Thís Channél To Léàrn Something Pósítivé & Ratíonàl. Unfortunately, Here Also, These Sélf Déclàréd Intellectuals Are Rúiníng Thís Forúm Thróúgh Theír Bígótry.
@@safdarakbari Hoodbhoy is also a rabid anti hindu mongrel I believe. With Ishtiaq Sir, he always tried to undermine the scale of Hindu Sikh deaths and rapes during partition
@@safdarakbari judgemental hone ki bat nhi hai....... Firstly change ur history books.. Jisme hindu ke bare m jo likha hai...... Secondly all pakistani says muslim pr julm hota... 1947 mai muslim population nd aaj kitni hai bo check kar lo... And Pakistan mai be hindu ki population check kr lo... 1947 mai kitni thi aaj kitni hai... All war started by Pakistan says ur authors.. Nd check fact.... India ne kbi kisi countary par kbi attack nhi kiya so... 🙏🙏🙏🙏..... India ke khilaaf kuch bologe reaction apko milega........ Fact hai koi to bat kro... Brna... Bina mtlb ke topic par discuss mat kro... Jo false narrative bta rhe ho...
Why religion should be part of your core identity. Multiple dimensions of personality is fine but core should be humanity and empathy. That's how we can look beyond our interests.
Now I fully understand why Major Gaurav arya calls pakistanis a “jahil quam”, even the so called intellectuals and business man like Mr amin calls indian government a fascist , shows a lot about pakistanis. How barely he touches the minority treatment in pakistan just to say that india is treating its minorities bad. I don’t think he has the qualities as said by Mr parvez. India is reclaiming its past glory ., Guys get your acts together.
This is supremacist Islami ideology at play, the businessman cannot say that India is progressing because his Islami DNA won't allow him to appreciate the efforts and progress of a Hindu country from where his elders seperated. He won't talk about India's progress but brush it all down the dustbin saying "there is fascism in India".
Son: Dad what is Hypocrisy? Dad: 1. Hypocrisy is when 90% of a community votes in 1946 for creating pakistan but do not migrate to pakistan in 1947. 2.Hypocrisy is when 75% according to Pew Research Centre want sharia law but call themselves secular.
@@deveshrawat154 It’s Not Hípócrísy. Islàm *Is* Religíon Of *_Piece_* , Not *Peace.* _That’s Why They Shout Sír Tan Se Juda. What Does It Mean? Means They Want To Cùt All Kaafírs Intó 2 Píècè._
@@deveshrawat154 a geye bhai sahab jai sri ram bolke . Sir apne ko dekhiye apneko acha kijiye dunea thik hoga jab apme itna nafrat bhara hua hein to app keya expect karte hein apko log samman karenge? I am an hindu i have so many muslim friends bhai apni religion apni jaga aur insaniet apni jaga.
Great conversation. One thing I've noticed is often between or at the end of the episode the video starts glitching, completely removed minutes of conversations. Please work on that.
I have a number of questions for Mr Hashwani...He has been very critical of India and its dispensation. The trouble with Pakistan's Govt is their bloated ego. India was in the same mess in 1991 ( economically) . Manmohan Singh and Prime Minister Rao, besides borrowing from IMF they actually took the humiliating step of pledging Indias Gold as security towards borrowings. Later this was redeemed. Pakistans redemption lies in trading directly with India. Instead of Indian onions being shipped to Dubai , then to Karachi and then being transported to Lahore does it not make sense to the Pakistani establishment to purchase through Wagah border? If they want Pakistan to survive its time they swallowed their ego and placed trade with India as 1st priority. However if they wish to go down the Black Hole its their call.
He won't talk about that bhai , the Islami inside him can't see a kaafir country which his forefathers left, progress and make its name in the world, this so called "intellectual" businessman didn't say a word about India's progress and the steps taken by Modi government, but was very quick in brushing it all down saying "fascism is there in India".
I have few suggestions about how to bring critical thinking in school 1- have as big library as possible within your resources but make sure books from different countries and cultures are there. In the age of internet this is not impossible. 2. Introduce debates within classes on regular basis but subjects and prospective should be different. For example one child should speak from Pak books other should Indian other form uk and usa etc etc. This way ability to absorb multiple thought process will develop automatically.
Very few Pakistanis can afford books, those who can, very few give importance to read. The books that you see in the background are often a wall paper.
Modi has changed India which is why it has the best economic prospect according to the IMF. It was the previous Congress that led by emotion and became a dud. Thank God India woke up and got rid of them.
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Do you think emojis have any place in the space where serious discussion is taking place? Please do not bother to answer, this is a rhetorical question.
Comment about India being intolerent in recent times is misleading...There is no fascism here...we are living happily here...The problem with Pakistan analyst is only this when they try to criticize Pakistan, they just take the name of India for the sake of criticism. There is no comparision between us...
Not impressed with the speaker. He is simply doing a plain criticism of system like some Pakistani youtube channels do. I don't see him showcasing "Back to the Roots"
Question: Given the education deficit of last few decades, do you think Pakistan's intellects have will capability to follow your advise to make change and revive it's society? I heard that with mass migration of educated class/young in last few years, is there hope? Thanks.
@KararaJawaab it was imposed cruelly, by the sword. The masses have been MISLED, brainwashed, converted, controlled, deracinated, indoctrinated and enslaved.
He said Pakistan was called the Asian tiger. Did anybody ask , WHY was Pakistan called Asian tiger? He did not speak about any statistics. So which were your within top 100 ranking universities of the world? What were your top exports? Did you setup major tech companies, automobile companies, pharmaceutical companies, what exactly made you Asian tiger?
Imagine they got majority of the land of 5 rivers along with 85% of the Indus waters in the west and Land of Ganges and Brahmaputra delta in the east - in arguably the most fertile land anywhere in the world and they had the caliber to make a mess of it..
As per IMF, today reported... Hindustan 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 is bright 🔆 spot of world, whereas Pakistan is a black⚫ spot of world in terms of economic contribution... This explains all.... Pakistan needs to be studied for what not to be done for a nation...
Hindustan is an identity given to us by foreigners. Bharat is our identity that we give ourselves. Refer to the Constitution. "Bharat that is India...."
Mr. Amin is right on the army issue. As a secular Indian and a proponent of world peace I believe that the Hindutva and Akhand Bharat project are a grave threat to Pakistan and unless Pakistani awaam ramps up its army at least 5x, the extremist Indians might just invade Lahore very easily. Pakistan has to follow the US model of taxing the society heavily, funding the armed forces, and if you have confidence you could always re-establish Khilafat-e-Jinnaiyya with Islamabad as the capital.
1st reason, One of the main fundamental reason why Pakistan going back ward - - Most of the people of Pakistan don't know that The colonial system of jaghirdar / jamindar was abolished during land reforms in former East Bengal / East Pakistan now (Bangladesh) in 1950,India in 1951 but still it is totally absence in Pakistan.Still Pakistan protecting the colonial system of jaghirdar and General's and estabilishmentse. When 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) of pakistan controls 99 % Pakistan then Nothing will be OK.That 1% was a gift of colonial British mindset.People of East Bengal realised that colonial mindset from 1st day but still people of Pakistan living in Denial mindset of colonialism.2ND Reason why Pakistan going back ward that is majority people of Pakistan are not serious about their country. 3rd reason is that people of Pakistan are sleeping last 75 years but don't want to wake up and those people of East Bengal did wake up and fight for equal rights & justice from first day to 1971 they're now one of the fastest growing nation in the world. 4th fundamental reasin pakistan and the people of pakistan systemetically destroy own identical roots , language ,traditional values and haritage of ethnecity and divercity. Another reason is that people of Pakistan always take short cut policy and their is no long-term futuristic Sustainable development program or plan for future - No Educational & Socioeconomical plan but still waiting for next Sultan or kind of Leader to Grow. Last 75 years Pakistan made a lollypop mindset in Pakistan that Pakistan and people of Pakistan are only greatest and Rightful but rest of the world fake & false . It's a multi organ failure of Pakistan.It's too late to make changes in course correction after 75 years in the DNA of Pakistan.it's a martial race nation and its not a country for the people but it's a country for jaghirdar and General's with colonial setup of mindset and still living in confused Denial mindset and conspiracy mentality and it became self-destructive nation. 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) use Pakistan as a strategic depth to sell own land and sovereignty to the foreign power and create different types of Armed Terror group for Billion USD and destroying neighbor's but when you keeping snake in your backyard and expect them to only bite your neighbor's but that snake bite you too . Pakistan became as a garrison state with colonial setup. Pakistan is an over Militarilise state. It's neither a Islamic nor a democratic country.Socially- Politically - Economically and Mentally Pakistan became Black Hole . If the Grass look greener on the other side of the world. Stop comparing, Stop complaining and Start watering the grass you are standing on.*PAKISTAN SE ZINDA BAAGH *🙈🙉🙊
I am Pakistani with Indian roots, I openly acknowledge vast majority of Pakistanis are indians as we have been part of india for centuries and our earlier forefathers were Hindus part of sanathan dharma. Many Pakistanis now openly recognise they don't have arab/turk/Persian lineage. There might be some exceptions but largely Pakistanis be it punjabis, sindhis and kashmiris were Hindus and are 100% Indian. Take me for example, my father side are Rajput bhutta who are Suryavanshi rajputs who have lineage going back to house of holy Rama and seeta devi. Bhutta was one of the sons of mulraj Singh who headed chaulkhya Empire. The later generations were centred around jaisalmer, Rajasthan. Derawar Fort in rajasthan was built by Hindu Rajput bhutta leader. Done Bhuttas eventually shifted to sindh then many parts of punjab including multan where they accekted Islam via Sufi Saint Bahudeen zakaria in 12th century approx ( 800 years ago). My forefathers settled down in small city called Pakpattan. My mother side is kashmiri butt also known as Bhat / bhatt/ Bhatta. As you know kashmiriys were Hindu saraswati brahmins pandits who lived around saraswati river region and later shifted towards kashmir valley. Kashmiris accepted Islam approx 500 years ago. My mother side kashmiris shifted from jammu & kashmir to lahore around 18th century and have been in lahore since then where they lost kashmiri language and developed speaking punjabi and urdu languages. Many Pakistanis are waking up from slumber thanks to awareness via social media documentaries and their own desire for independent researches and studies to define their identity. One day very soon majority Pakistanis will openly accept they identity is only Indian and that will ultimate be the ice breaker to peace with our motherland India and perhaps reunification with India as it was pre partition 1947. I prefer bring part if United india then that of a artificial state called Pakistan.
@@bilalbhutta6881 Bilal Bhai, Aap Samjhdar Ho. Apse Ek Guzarish Hai. Canada Mat Jana. Next Pakístan Wahi Banega. May Be Australia, New Zealand Ka VISa Try Krna.
@@bilalbhutta6881 Not All, But Some Mùslíms In Indía Are Fàr Mòre Radícàlísèd Thàn Pakístánís. It’s Only A Matter Of Tíme, In Next 50-100 Years, There Wíll Be Híndù-Mùslím Ríótś. Oncè The Mùslím Pòpùlatíon In Indía Reachès 40% & Abóvè. Thíngś Wíll Gó Bèyònd Còntròl. Untíll Mùllà, Mùftí & Màdàrssà Are Còntròllèd, Radícalísatíon Wíll Contínùè.
This guy is all mixed up. Stalin in terms of sheer numbers was the most brutal followed by Mao. Hitler was a distant third. As to Pakistan at one time being considered the Asian Tiger was because as a willing client state of the US it received large amounts of funds which subsequently was misused and looted. Its original agricultural and industrial as well as educational base was run by Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities who were expelled at gunpoint so that the Muslims could loot their wealth. This pretty much goes with Islamic thought in which living off other peoples wealth and hard work. is its underpinning.
At 1:26:50 in the video, Prof Hoodbhoy complians that he saw many Armed Jehadi Organisations operating in Muzafrabad, Pakistan in 2005, the Guest speaker Mr Amin Hashwani take it very positive and supports such organisations saying that nations do play game against each other. It is everywhere. He falsely blame India to have similar organisations which he cannot name if asked. He further says that India and Pakistan both are deep states. See the level of thoughts of an educated person in Pakistan addressing in lecture to new generation. He is not aware that today his country is isolated, disintegrated internally, underdeveloped and people facing hunger due to such activities. God bless Pakistan with true wisdom.
It's a sad to see that when intellectuals speak you get hardly 100 people to listen & when politicians or Mullahs speak the crowd is in lthousands.... That reflects the mentality that prevails in Pakistan... So it reflects very poorly on the Nation as whole I feel
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Pakistan was growing better than India intialy not because Pakistanis were doing great it was because American and British pouring money into it. Asian Tiger 🐯 is just a name given to appease people and top leadership.
Wig Lga Kr Kb Tak Ek Chuha Tiger Bnega🤣
GDP of pakistan was beyond exception.
@@1haxxan1 & why was it so?
Children's learn from deeds of the guardiinswho in their turn learn from maulana where as they want learning from words.
Jinnah uprooted the Muslims from the root of their original root to form Pakistan.
Early 1960 pakistan was called Asian Tiger by looting resources and foreign export revenue from East Bengal and systemetically made east bengal as 2nd poorest part of the world and burden of pakistan because bengal & people of bengal never treated as equal but bengal was treated as a colony of pakistan.
Same happening with balochis today
Completely agree. Looting East Pakistan and rest of the friendly countries too. Looting has become Pakistan’s DNA.
Wrong. If that Indian propaganda were true, why did Bangladesh only surpass Pakistan economically in 2015, forty years after independence? Pakistan would have declined spectacularly and Bangladesh soared high soon after independence (1971) if we were exploiting their resources.
@@ibratnak that showd your stupidity. Do you think it's easy like switching on a light bulb? It takes time to rebuild destroyed countries.
@@bulthaosen1169 On the contrary, it showed your desperation to put Pakistan down. Yes it takes time, but not 40 years.
Watching from India because we always get some critical analysis of our Country from your side. Beg to differ from Amin’s views where he justifies huge expenditure on your Military to counter perceived threat from India. In fact majority of Indians view Akhand Bharat a myth. Our PM is on record stating “we don’t want this to happen because India will then become a Muslim majority country “( with all the tragic consequences like your country is facing now). Pakistan is not of any relevance to us. Right now our priority is Development & to compete with China and play our rightful role in World affairs.
Story of pakistan:
1. Land from india
2.religion from arab(converted)
3.punjabi speaking urdu from india
4. Role model gauri , gaznavi ,mughal, bin laden,
5.national song in farsi
6. Favourite show turkish.
My grandmother's age is more than pakistan .
Excellent mapping of pak realities
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Cultural confusion 😂
My mother In law family were living in big house and they lost everything including jewellery and had returned to India. His father carried the one musical instrument. they were asked to leave behind everything otherwise they will be killed.
Thésé Líberàl Léftísts Wíll Tàg Yóu As A Ràdícàl Híndú. Módí Bhàkt, RSS Ka Agént.
@Karara Jawaab no body needs to tag me anything and i do not care
I just stated a fact.
@@nalinikoutha2091 Unfortunately, Global Lèft & Líberal Gàng Don’t Care About The Fact.
They Just Wanna Spread Their Narrative.
Congress Has Never Tríed To Become Vòíce Of Híndùs Suffèrèd In Pakístàn & Banglàdesh.
BJP Is No Less.
@@wanderingnomad1 Thanks God! U Called Me A “Clòwn”, Not A “Pakístàní”.
My grandfather was a landlord in Pakistan, had to move to Hindustan and he became a daily labor. My grandmother died in poverty. Muslims demanded Pakistan and remained in Hindustan and Sikhs / Hindus had to leave everything behind for Muslims.
Thanks to Dr Hoodbhoy for injecting sanity and candor into the discussion. This speaker seems to have huge blinkers.
The speaker came here as a mouthpiece of their dirty army. May be Hoodboy ji was forced on a gunpoint to invite him.😂😅
Hoodbhoy himself is a great muzzi.. has 4 bibi and lots of children
@@media-rn6zc After all he is a muslim.
Amin’s concept of comparing a citizen with a shareholders is a positive thought but being a business he has horrible understanding of the recent history of Pakistan in believing that they were a economic tiger…. Really by begging for aids and borrowed funds from IMF and zakat from Saudi, UAE , Kuwait and Chinkis … how come a successful business man could make such a mistake. Professor brought some realistic sense in the discussion.
It's really surprising to see the poor quality of intelligentsia in Pakisatan.
May God help that country from such people.
In same sentence in same tone he criticised india for imaginary persecution of minorities while praised China turning blind eye to uighurs😂😂
Pakistan is the result of the same fascism, speaker describing so passionately.
Khitte Ki Poori Pahchaan Hi Badal Di, Tabhi To Pakistan Bana Tha.
Professor Hoodbhoy was praising India's school pedagogy whereas many in India think we have a long path to cover in inculcating true levels of critical thinking. I wonder what is taught in Pakistani schools!
We are not taught to hate India.... why do Indian politicians always hate Pakistan? Our politics never includes India.
Jihad😂😂
@ 01:35:00 I 'm an Indian. But, thank you Dr Parvez for being so magnanimous to the spirited Schoolteacher. You did what a true Guru from our common ancient culture would do.
For him Yunan and greek are cultures , please do not go gaga on this jihadist and islamist in disguise
common my foot, these Pakistanis dont agree with you, they think they came from arab
Hoodbuoy is a true muzzi.. char bibi aur chalis bacche
Dr Sahib it is always a pleasure to hear your sane view and lonely voice. May God bless you with good health and long life.
Sane Voice ?? Maha Chutiya hai , pakka Jihadist and Islamist halala mutah misyar product
Dr. Hoodbhoy jaise genius aur zamin se jude log agar ek sath aaye to Pakistan ki tarakki hokar rahegi..
The listeners raised some very pertinent questions. All the honest answers came from Professor Hoodbhoy.
The responses from Mr. Hashwani were those which he has mugged up as part of his narrative. This inspite of his claims to be in favour of critical thinking!
The physicist in scholarly Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy shines through. His kind of intellect is possible only through scientific education. He is brutally honest when he discusses his experiences in India. There is no comparison between the two counties. Thank you for constantly brutally busting your guest’ false narrative regarding India.
He himself is pretty ignorant about India , watch other shows and you'll know ..
But he possess the better intellect amongst them ..
@@divyanshusingh2145 Out of those two he is clearly the better one. Andhon mai kanha raaja is an apt analogy here.
Hard Sciences strive for objective empirical reality. Let’s take relativity, underlying that, there are “invariants”. True science tries to understand the invariants.
Social scientists who have misunderstood relativity think anything goes because they mistake relativity as absence of an invariant truth
Mr. Narendra Modi's populism is based on his own untiring work for the betterment ofindian population, is based on his belief of our long standing ancestry & civilisation & most of all his non corrupt governance.All these points makes him a popular leader. His stature on world political arena is also increasing day by day.
Also his hindutva and his die hard fans in primarily hindi heartland where the education level is about same as Pakistan which tells something.
@@Bengalifirst What about nationalists in Bengali Heartland, I have heard Bengal has become the New York of the East.
@@wokerocks true ! But not as much still there is enough people who opposes autocracy and promote decency unfortunately we are stuck between a rock and hard place where one side is communal bjp thugs who were once tmc other side corrupt tmc thugs! In middle bongs 😂
@@wokerocks bhai don’t get angry it’s just an observation . You can google and check facts koi foreign govt ka data nehi apna Indian govt ka data hein.
@@BengalifirstI don’t think Hindi heartland is educationally that backward. I understand it needs to catchup though.
But with Mr. Modi, I can say that he is a polarising figure but on few points I give him credit.
- Decision making made faster
- Internal and External security is way better. Don’t hear bomb blasts except one or two in J&K.
- Foreign policy is much better.
- some of the national issues were settled for good. Though they can be debated.
Pervez hoodbhoy nailed it by calling pakisatani army for all the problems they are facing. It needs sheer guts to talk against the army.
Yes modi is rewriting indias history which should have written before u better concern with your own country
Maxíst Hístory Of Indía Starts With Peaceful Muhammad Bin Kasím And Ends At Progressive Lord Mountbatten.
Condition of minorities in India: Oh! so bad. It makes me sad.
Condition of minorities in China: Oh! China brought 700M out of poverty.
Bhai wo so called intellectual biased hai!!
I Was Surpríséd.
He Was Tàlkíng Abóút Democracy And Suddenly He Bróught Chína In The Díscússíon. I Thóúgh Hé's So Bràvé. He's Gónnà Crítícísé Chínà Fór Havíng Nó Démécracy 😂
Hé Actúally Praíséd Chínà As Íf Hé Sàw Allàh In Xí Jínpíng. 🤣
India also lift up 260 million people from poverty but they see only china
I like how Hoodboy sir has kinda taken over the stage when he realizes the main speaker was kind of steering away from the truth and tried to present stuff in broad strokes completely grazing away from the actual topic which is to go back to the roots.
I understand Pakistanis have to maintain an anti-India bias but this is the most superficial speaker, I have listened to in this series.
Man, You Just Hit The Bullseye 🎯 Great 👍
Superficial is mild, STUPID is the proper
He is a stooge of the Establishment ( please Google about his credentials)
Exactly bhai....and we have many Dhimmi stupids/Dumbs are going gaga on these english madarsa chap jiohadist/islamist halalis
Could you backup your statement with one single thing he said!
1:26:00 Dr. Hoodbhoy is such a gem. He is a National treasure and I wished he was Indian. He is trying to change the mindset that has been corrupted by 70 years of islamisation with his brilliance and brutal honesty. I really wish to hear him in person one day.
Gem??? He is jihadist and islamist in disguise , he wants to trace his origins from Yunnan & Greeks . He draws parallels between Bharat and porkistan
He can't come to India, so you should go to Pakistan.
Hello Hoodbye is having hatred for Hindus
Mashallah views of Speeker are very Clear and Strong
1:03:30
Salute you sir for telling truth 🙏🇮🇳
Just stop terrorism
By far the funniest knowledgeable information/interpretation I’ve watched on the black hole
Most critics of India are from outside the country, apart from the opposition of course. These critics just do not know anything about the country. India has 1.4 billion people! About 20% are Muslims who generally happen to do much much better than the Muslims of Pakistan. There are no fights or killings of Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, or other offshoots of Islam. Hindus per se are secular by build. If they had the same thought process of a Muslim, there wouldn't be any Muslims left in India. You see the point?
Alas even Dr Hoodbhoy and the likes in Pakistan develop the ability to digest this ground reality fact in India.....and that Hinduism has no parallel with Islam....so even the extreme right wing polity sect is much less conservative than the 'enlightened' Muslim liberals in Pakistan...we don't have any Asmani Holy Book to be adhered with....
India should have expelled most Muslims to Pakistan just as Pakistan expelled most Hindus from Pakistan.
The speaker does not rate the delivery of promises by PM Modi. Therein lies the problem of his analysis. He has not only delivered on his political promises but also delivered on raising the bar of food security of the poor, increasing economic development, inclusion of women and marginalized in the economic process. One of his successes is bringing Jammu & Kashmir into the mainstream administrative realm. He has delivered. While it may not be palatable to some, the country at large accepts his delivery of what he promises. As they say, Modi hai to mumkin hai. People see this as happening. While there has been no leader in Pakistan who has delivered thus, I understand that it would be difficult for them to comprehend this.
Well there comes the supremacist Islami mindset, how can a Hindu nation get ahead of us, if they are making progress let's not talk about the positives and brush it in the dustbin saying "there is fascism in India".
Modi has not delivered industrialization and jobs. Modi has not delivered governance and judicial reforms. GST was rolled out terribly, and it is still terrible.
@@patmclaughlin107 Have you compared the rate of industrial production of India to that of EURO ZONE or USA or CHINA in the last 18 months? It may be a light bulb moment for you. Judicial reforms is being opposed by the judiciary themselves. I understand that reforms are not popular and the political dispensation does have to pay a price for it. GST was a requirement not a luxury for it to be deferrred and wait for an ideal moment to start. I say, good job by the current government of the day but more needs to be done, we will be pressing the government to do more, by participating with it.
Great discussion. Appreciated from India.
By listening the guest, one can comfortably draw inferences that the Pakistani liberal intellectuals have not yet come out of the hindu hatred syndrome and supermacist attitude. Their conflicting ideological thoughts such as aspiring for democracy and praising the dictatorial military rules is a classical example of intellectual bankruptcy. This gentleman too is one of them. He is not intellectually capable enough to pass judgment on Modi and Indian electorates. Intellectual like Ishaque Dar is considered better economist than Miftah Ismail is another example of intellectual bankruptcy. If smart economist like Ishaque Dar would be in India he would have doing no better job than puncture repairing.
I love these fellows....great entertainment..... speaking of roots in "English"...
I am 16yrs old from Nagpur , Maharashtra 🇮🇳🍁 I love to watch this channel 😄 😀 ❤
( Why you have to be Anti India to potray yourself as Pakistani ? Modi Ji is the best pm )
Pakistan can search it's identify in anti india
Bro he is leftist..he can't praise a righ party and it's leader
because despite their pretentions to be critical thinkers .... they are too indoctrinated to escape their own deluded thinking
@@surian9286 Pakistan DNA is faulty, to really improve they have changed their DNA, they are suffering from genetic disorder from birth.
Your attitude is what he is addressing. Fascism.
Pervez is brutally honest sometimes
And you are brutally Tuchiya !!! Did you Not listen his bs many times and typical drawing parallels
@@csheru and who are you? Einstein?
He is a scientist first, then everything else. Pervez understands “good data” from propaganda and is not afraid to call it out.
Even black hole viewers are indian🇮🇳🇮🇳...... The participants don't watch, no one made any comments in this session
This is the reason they are a failed nation….they can’t listen….they don’t have acceptance…
This is a great example of why the doctor is so different from the usual Pakistani intellectuals. Hats off to the clarity of his thought process.
Pakistan is an Islamic republic. It's citizens are often asked not to question the country's working culture quoting reference of their religious scriptures. Common people do not know about their rights of equality, freedom, education, constitutional remedies, right against exploitation and freedom of speech granted in a true democracy. Otherwise, people would have reformed this country long back through effective criticism.
Agreed with you sir for all that you have written above, Pakistan would have been better off if it was Republic of Pakistan instead of Islamic Republic of Pakistan…… the question is that every Pakistani should ask how a country can be Islamic and Republic at the same time?
@@mohsinafzaal7159 @ashok kumar - both of you made excellent points! Thank you soo much!
"Islamic republic" is itself an oxymoron.
Dear Dr. Prevez, I'm from India and quite regularly watch the discussions on The Black Hole. To be frank, I never found you as candid about your views on India Pakistan relationship as in this debate. I'm not impressed because I am an Indian and you spoke in favour of India. The thing is, you spoke truth and that too quite bluntly. Pakistan's biggest problem is its obsession with Islam coupled with its belief that all kafirs are inferior. It's okay to love your religion, but to have a feeling of contempt towards other religions is unacceptable. I ❤your statement that Hindus are aboriginals of this land. I pray that more sane voices like you come up in Pakistan; as that would go a long way in making your country prosperous and peaceful. Amen!!
Black Hole is incomplete without Tarek Fatah, Tahir Gora, Hamid Bashani, Afaq Farooqi, Hussain Haqqani.
they will get killed in Pakistan today
Dr Hoodbhoy...You have made a very pertinent point that Hindus in Pakistan are as much Pakistanis as the Muslims. Excellent....My question to you is as follows...Why are children in schools reading text books which demean Hindus.? This has been stated by many RUclipsrs from Pakistan.To the best of my knowledge in India there are no textbooks demeaning Muslims or Islam. Yes..there could be text books with content about the barbaric actions of Mughals..but that is specific to the emperor not to the community or religion.
1:49:30 That Blue-White Checkered Shirt guy Summed up everything!!
Amin Hashwani is the great man and also great business man.
If pakistan revert Hindu, peace will be restored immidiately.
Becoming Hindu will require real courage. If they get that much courage they will become real Musalmaan which is such a pious gold standard word. I am really pained as Hindu to see our derouted brothers and sisters in such helpless disarray.
@@SanSha2100 Was or is there any real musalmaan?
After 75 years they are still contemplating which model to adopt.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The speaker displays severe cognitive dissonance at every level.
1. Anchoring the Pakistani identity to 1947. The degree of myopia and the sheer disregard of human history and cultural efflorescence in this assumption is stunning.
2. The constant value judgement of India. Calling India a fascist state, while sitting in a country that actually cleansed its minorities and teaches Islamic Supremacism in its school textbooks. And, in the same breath, admiring another fascist state China that has also subjugated and cleansed every kind of identity that does not conform with the Han Chinese identity.
3. He conveniently calls America and Israel as occupiers that would not allow the status quo to alter. All the while not questioning what Muslims are doing in the subcontinent. Did they migrate into the land? Were they refugees? No, the Muslims are occupiers of equal calibre, if not of a worse kind. The Jews and the Europeans in America at least brought their women with them, rather than ravaging the womenfolk of this traumatized land.
4. "Scandinavian countries are more Islamic than Pakistan", "Women Rights are paramount in Islam", What??? And these statements were quoted several times unchallenged. Maybe that is the cool-aid they are selling in Pakistan. While the real Muslim in Scandinavia dreams of Sharia. Even the fountainhead of Islam, Saudi, is steadily moving away from this ideology.
These are some that I could retain.
But, overall his rationality is marred with blatant erroneous facts (some that Mr. Hoodbhoy rectified) and he is unwilling to even acknowledge them.
Maybe, in this time of sheer crisis one should remove themselves from their current identity and start looking the situation a priori. At least get down from the high horse and introspect humbly. But, it seems rock bottom is yet to arrive.
I was expecting some depth in the title "Back to our Roots". Apparently, these roots don't go very deep, neither does anyone want to explore them. However, the impending storm is an unprecedented one.
Feel sad for the powerless masses in this land. Unending suffering since a millennia and even more so within the last 75 years.
One should not be pessimistic, but this is a decade of consequence. I would advise the Indian Government to prepare the western border to deal with the refugee outflow when it happens.
i agree with u. Govt should seal border with pakistan
Very well summarized. I felt the same about today's speech by this guy.
Worst kind of speaker in this forum I saw. No depth in his thoughts, very very superficial.
Great 👌👌👌
This monkey sounded like the Paki bureaucrats talking with an agenda in mind while appearing well spoken and educated 😂😂
It's sad to see the number of attendees...
It's what a Pakistani is....
Even in India we have such politics....
But go on Sir
With your discussion..we are with you and ....
Whatever...
Keep on going Sir..,.
I have seen lot of Parvez hoodboy programs in RUclips,,, I admire him for his frank and sinciere and open approach,,,,
But I am afraid he is aganist 2 big wall's
Islam on one side and western liberal utopia
He is fascinated by India and Nehruviam model
But he dosent seem to know much abt indian real cultural values,,,,he sees india in a Nehruviam lens,,,
Best of luck Pervezji,,, I admire your courage
I am sceptic,,,
Ikr throughout is conversation it seemed like reading book and not so practical a book which would suggest number of things only 2 percent could be done practically
Informed and interesting
Fascinating discussion. The gentleman in check shirt made a critical/vital comment. It is a criminal act to teach children that death is the aim of life!
I think from Dr.Hoodbhoy's expression that he is grinning and bearing it. Am sure he is already deeply regretting inviting this guy.
99% of the talk by Amin was critical of Pakistan’s political parties, society and establishment. His one passing comment about India has generated 99% of the reaction on this link….all negative and all from India. And the negativity is not only about his comments, but also about Pakistan, it’s people, and it’s religion! His Rumi comment about changing oneself equally appropriate for India as well.
Dear Umair, Although I'm an Indian but I've no malice towards Islam or Pakistan pre se, so please take my rely positively. You are right that 99% of Amin's talks were critical of Pakistan's present status, but then why were there so may negative reactions about his one passing remark about India. Umair, you need to appreciate that Pakistan's biggest problem is its obsession with Islam and the resultant hatred towards India, rather Hindu-India. Amin's 1% statement manifested this obsession of a typical Pakistani and this diluted all his 99% positive statements. Hence, the reactions...
The best orator ever seen in pakistan.
The main problem in Pakistan is dual citizenship.. And no one raise this ques on any platform... I think its just bcz abt 99% of intellectuals of Pakistan have dual citizenship... Means they already have a backup plan if Pakistan fails.... Means while taking others country's citizenship they are already knowing that Pakistan is a failed state for them... But even after that they have the audacity to talk about nationalism...
Back to our roots... What does even it means... That's also the problem they don't have any roots..
It's a fallacy to say that Pakistan was ever an "Asian tiger". It never had a manufacturing or technology base compared to its size. It was always agrarian with large landholders - no land reform was ever undertaken. Instead, Pakistan always pushed it's strategic location right from Jinnah onwards for which It was richly but sporadically rewarded. Those rewards made it appear successful and prosperous. Right now, that income stream has dried up and you can see the results.
One more thing. Modi is a nationalist. He is not a populist. That's a completely incorrect reading. Indians vote for Modi because he performs and because he works hard for his country.
In his view secularism as anti Islam is bad, and the same happening in India where people are practising their identity is anti secularism and fascism. Hypocrisy of these so called intellectuals in Pakistan is no less harm to Pakistani society.
Dr Parvez sir I like the teacher in you , you remind of my teacher . India Pakistan should start the process of visit for academics and artists . Modi has the political capital to do it and our fm is probably one of the most capable minds in foreign policy hope they think about it.
India's secularism going into dustbin troubles you Mr speaker, nothing about pakistani Islamic society? What hypocrisy
Excellent !
Bharath that is india is going to emerge.. don’t need to worry for us..
Pakistan will surely change for better if such dialogues are continued and appreciated by the audience. The first step is the most difficult one. Nations can change their fate in just 40 years.
In 40 years Pakistan will become 3rd most populous country in the world, also too the poorest!
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And every rape jihad ki najayaz paidaish ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool salwari Muslim is hearing this from past 75 years while there beloved islamic Republic of hira Mandi randistan porkistan bhikharistan Pakistan has went down the sewer 😂😂
Jai Modiji !! Jai BJP !! Jai Hind !! Jai Shankar
Very nice Amin Hashwani
Pakistan has intellectuals who may have strong head but weak heart hands and legs and Amin is one of them. He is a one eyed king among blind Pakistanis
Spot on
Are we all hindu? Because this region belongs to hindus and you can see most surname are hindu ?
Plz dont make mistake cz of their surnames…. These people are brainwashed in thousands of madarsas all over Pakistan to kill Hindus 😱😱😱😱😱😱
Judgemental na hon sir. Stay positive and take positive lessons from this lecture. Thanks
@@safdarakbari What To Tàke Positive Sír.
These Are So Many UTube Channels Where Jaahíl People Crítícísé Híndu & Indía. We Dón't Go And Commént There.
We Cóme Here On Thís Channél To Léàrn Something Pósítivé & Ratíonàl.
Unfortunately, Here Also, These Sélf Déclàréd Intellectuals Are Rúiníng Thís Forúm Thróúgh Theír Bígótry.
@@safdarakbari Hoodbhoy is also a rabid anti hindu mongrel I believe. With Ishtiaq Sir, he always tried to undermine the scale of Hindu Sikh deaths and rapes during partition
@@safdarakbari judgemental hone ki bat nhi hai....... Firstly change ur history books.. Jisme hindu ke bare m jo likha hai...... Secondly all pakistani says muslim pr julm hota... 1947 mai muslim population nd aaj kitni hai bo check kar lo... And Pakistan mai be hindu ki population check kr lo... 1947 mai kitni thi aaj kitni hai... All war started by Pakistan says ur authors.. Nd check fact.... India ne kbi kisi countary par kbi attack nhi kiya so... 🙏🙏🙏🙏..... India ke khilaaf kuch bologe reaction apko milega........ Fact hai koi to bat kro... Brna... Bina mtlb ke topic par discuss mat kro... Jo false narrative bta rhe ho...
🙂 How India is becoming a fascist state ??? Present some figures.
Is retaliating to pak's terror activities makes India a fascist state ??
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Why religion should be part of your core identity. Multiple dimensions of personality is fine but core should be humanity and empathy. That's how we can look beyond our interests.
Now I fully understand why Major Gaurav arya calls pakistanis a “jahil quam”, even the so called intellectuals and business man like Mr amin calls indian government a fascist , shows a lot about pakistanis. How barely he touches the minority treatment in pakistan just to say that india is treating its minorities bad. I don’t think he has the qualities as said by Mr parvez. India is reclaiming its past glory ., Guys get your acts together.
This is supremacist Islami ideology at play, the businessman cannot say that India is progressing because his Islami DNA won't allow him to appreciate the efforts and progress of a Hindu country from where his elders seperated.
He won't talk about India's progress but brush it all down the dustbin saying "there is fascism in India".
They are wired to base all their beliefs in venom against pagans.. so even teh educated one will hav that inherent hate against India & hindus
Wow ❤
Son:
Dad what is Hypocrisy?
Dad:
1. Hypocrisy is when 90% of a community votes in 1946 for creating pakistan but do not migrate to pakistan in 1947.
2.Hypocrisy is when 75% according to Pew Research Centre want sharia law but call themselves secular.
Well India is not much different specially under current govt. apparently right wing thugs hate secularism.jai sri ram bhai !
Ye Pada _electronic Thappad_ Peaceful Community Ko🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Hypocrisy is when they call islam is a religion of piece*
@@deveshrawat154 It’s Not Hípócrísy. Islàm *Is* Religíon Of *_Piece_* , Not *Peace.*
_That’s Why They Shout Sír Tan Se Juda. What Does It Mean? Means They Want To Cùt All Kaafírs Intó 2 Píècè._
@@deveshrawat154 a geye bhai sahab jai sri ram bolke . Sir apne ko dekhiye apneko acha kijiye dunea thik hoga jab apme itna nafrat bhara hua hein to app keya expect karte hein apko log samman karenge? I am an hindu i have so many muslim friends bhai apni religion apni jaga aur insaniet apni jaga.
Great conversation. One thing I've noticed is often between or at the end of the episode the video starts glitching, completely removed minutes of conversations. Please work on that.
Listened to this at 2x speed. Even after 50 minutes, bhai ne saari taraf raita faila lakha hai. Polar bears aur melting ice caps bhi mention kar do.
I have a number of questions for Mr Hashwani...He has been very critical of India and its dispensation. The trouble with Pakistan's Govt is their bloated ego. India was in the same mess in 1991 ( economically) . Manmohan Singh and Prime Minister Rao, besides borrowing from IMF they actually took the humiliating step of pledging Indias Gold as security towards borrowings. Later this was redeemed. Pakistans redemption lies in trading directly with India. Instead of Indian onions being shipped to Dubai , then to Karachi and then being transported to Lahore does it not make sense to the Pakistani establishment to purchase through Wagah border? If they want Pakistan to survive its time they swallowed their ego and placed trade with India as 1st priority. However if they wish to go down the Black Hole its their call.
India also lift up 300 million people from poverty last 16 years
He won't talk about that bhai , the Islami inside him can't see a kaafir country which his forefathers left, progress and make its name in the world, this so called "intellectual" businessman didn't say a word about India's progress and the steps taken by Modi government, but was very quick in brushing it all down saying "fascism is there in India".
Finally someone speaking the truth! More than hypocrisy it’s apathy. Just look at the audience.
No discussion on the roots...just time pass discussion....
Brilliant conversation!
I have few suggestions about how to bring critical thinking in school
1- have as big library as possible within your resources but make sure books from different countries and cultures are there. In the age of internet this is not impossible.
2. Introduce debates within classes on regular basis but subjects and prospective should be different. For example one child should speak from Pak books other should Indian other form uk and usa etc etc.
This way ability to absorb multiple thought process will develop automatically.
Very few Pakistanis can afford books, those who can, very few give importance to read. The books that you see in the background are often a wall paper.
Modi has changed India which is why it has the best economic prospect according to the IMF. It was the previous Congress that led by emotion and became a dud. Thank God India woke up and got rid of them.
Love this discussions 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰You people May lift Pakistan 🇵🇰 up on higher level in Every Field 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰wish u all Good luck ❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Do you think emojis have any place in the space where serious discussion is taking place? Please do not bother to answer, this is a rhetorical question.
Sir, dissolution of all identities of self is ultimate goal of any human which is mukti.. Freedom from bondages. ♥️
That is not what Krishna taught on the battlefield.
so called Asian tiger 🐅
Asian Gutter
You like people are discussion makers of the world
Comment about India being intolerent in recent times is misleading...There is no fascism here...we are living happily here...The problem with Pakistan analyst is only this when they try to criticize Pakistan, they just take the name of India for the sake of criticism. There is no comparision between us...
Thanks to Zinna ji....kum se kum 50,% ko le k gaya india se. Request to take 50% left in india. Please sir😍😍
Not impressed with the speaker. He is simply doing a plain criticism of system like some Pakistani youtube channels do. I don't see him showcasing "Back to the Roots"
Amin is a sophisticated fanatic.
Question: Given the education deficit of last few decades, do you think Pakistan's intellects have will capability to follow your advise to make change and revive it's society? I heard that with mass migration of educated class/young in last few years, is there hope? Thanks.
Education or lack of it is not the cause of the mess.
Radicalization is.
@@solelysoul8543 Next Question Is - Why People Accèptèd Ràdícàlízàtíon Over Peace?
@KararaJawaab it was imposed cruelly, by the sword.
The masses have been MISLED, brainwashed, converted, controlled, deracinated, indoctrinated and enslaved.
@@KararaJawaab because it’s not only externals it’s there in their homes.. in their parenting..
He said Pakistan was called the Asian tiger. Did anybody ask , WHY was Pakistan called Asian tiger? He did not speak about any statistics. So which were your within top 100 ranking universities of the world? What were your top exports? Did you setup major tech companies, automobile companies, pharmaceutical companies, what exactly made you Asian tiger?
Imagine they got majority of the land of 5 rivers along with 85% of the Indus waters in the west and Land of Ganges and Brahmaputra delta in the east - in arguably the most fertile land anywhere in the world and they had the caliber to make a mess of it..
That's their achievement. Now blaming entire world except themselves
You can't be a successful Industrialist or businessman in Pakistan without sucking up to the Establishment.
They are bothered abt global issues while their house is on fire....😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
As per IMF, today reported... Hindustan 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 is bright 🔆 spot of world, whereas Pakistan is a black⚫ spot of world in terms of economic contribution...
This explains all....
Pakistan needs to be studied for what not to be done for a nation...
Hindustan is an identity given to us by foreigners. Bharat is our identity that we give ourselves. Refer to the Constitution. "Bharat that is India...."
Stop comparing india with pakistan india is 5 times bigger than pakistan in any department comparison is fundamentally wrong.
01:48:45 Well said.
If populism is very bad why India is growing 7% per year
Mr Amin is a real Muslim Pervez ji if an intellectual like Mr. Amin thinks like this than only Allah can save Pakistan
14:47 The guest is sad seeing India losing its secularism.. Why avoid you Iron Brother.. what are its credentials?
Mr. Amin is right on the army issue.
As a secular Indian and a proponent of world peace I believe that the Hindutva and Akhand Bharat project are a grave threat to Pakistan and unless Pakistani awaam ramps up its army at least 5x, the extremist Indians might just invade Lahore very easily.
Pakistan has to follow the US model of taxing the society heavily, funding the armed forces, and if you have confidence you could always re-establish Khilafat-e-Jinnaiyya with Islamabad as the capital.
1st reason, One of the main fundamental reason why Pakistan going back ward - - Most of the people of Pakistan don't know that The colonial system of jaghirdar / jamindar was abolished during land reforms in former East Bengal / East Pakistan now (Bangladesh) in 1950,India in 1951 but still it is totally absence in Pakistan.Still Pakistan protecting the colonial system of jaghirdar and General's and estabilishmentse. When 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) of pakistan controls 99 % Pakistan then Nothing will be OK.That 1% was a gift of colonial British mindset.People of East Bengal realised that colonial mindset from 1st day but still people of Pakistan living in Denial mindset of colonialism.2ND Reason why Pakistan going back ward that is majority people of Pakistan are not serious about their country. 3rd reason is that people of Pakistan are sleeping last 75 years but don't want to wake up and those people of East Bengal did wake up and fight for equal rights & justice from first day to 1971 they're now one of the fastest growing nation in the world. 4th fundamental reasin pakistan and the people of pakistan systemetically destroy own identical roots , language ,traditional values and haritage of ethnecity and divercity. Another reason is that people of Pakistan always take short cut policy and their is no long-term futuristic Sustainable development program or plan for future - No Educational & Socioeconomical plan but still waiting for next Sultan or kind of Leader to Grow. Last 75 years Pakistan made a lollypop mindset in Pakistan that Pakistan and people of Pakistan are only greatest and Rightful but rest of the world fake & false . It's a multi organ failure of Pakistan.It's too late to make changes in course correction after 75 years in the DNA of Pakistan.it's a martial race nation and its not a country for the people but it's a country for jaghirdar and General's with colonial setup of mindset and still living in confused Denial mindset and conspiracy mentality and it became self-destructive nation. 1% ( jaghirdar and Punjabi Ruling Elite and Army Establishment ) use Pakistan as a strategic depth to sell own land and sovereignty to the foreign power and create different types of Armed Terror group for Billion USD and destroying neighbor's but when you keeping snake in your backyard and expect them to only bite your neighbor's but that snake bite you too . Pakistan became as a garrison state with colonial setup. Pakistan is an over Militarilise state. It's neither a Islamic nor a democratic country.Socially- Politically - Economically and Mentally Pakistan became Black Hole . If the Grass look greener on the other side of the world. Stop comparing, Stop complaining and Start watering the grass you are standing on.*PAKISTAN SE ZINDA BAAGH *🙈🙉🙊
I am Pakistani with Indian roots, I openly acknowledge vast majority of Pakistanis are indians as we have been part of india for centuries and our earlier forefathers were Hindus part of sanathan dharma. Many Pakistanis now openly recognise they don't have arab/turk/Persian lineage. There might be some exceptions but largely Pakistanis be it punjabis, sindhis and kashmiris were Hindus and are 100% Indian.
Take me for example, my father side are Rajput bhutta who are Suryavanshi rajputs who have lineage going back to house of holy Rama and seeta devi. Bhutta was one of the sons of mulraj Singh who headed chaulkhya Empire. The later generations were centred around jaisalmer, Rajasthan. Derawar Fort in rajasthan was built by Hindu Rajput bhutta leader. Done Bhuttas eventually shifted to sindh then many parts of punjab including multan where they accekted Islam via Sufi Saint Bahudeen zakaria in 12th century approx ( 800 years ago). My forefathers settled down in small city called Pakpattan.
My mother side is kashmiri butt also known as Bhat / bhatt/ Bhatta. As you know kashmiriys were Hindu saraswati brahmins pandits who lived around saraswati river region and later shifted towards kashmir valley. Kashmiris accepted Islam approx 500 years ago. My mother side kashmiris shifted from jammu & kashmir to lahore around 18th century and have been in lahore since then where they lost kashmiri language and developed speaking punjabi and urdu languages.
Many Pakistanis are waking up from slumber thanks to awareness via social media documentaries and their own desire for independent researches and studies to define their identity. One day very soon majority Pakistanis will openly accept they identity is only Indian and that will ultimate be the ice breaker to peace with our motherland India and perhaps reunification with India as it was pre partition 1947. I prefer bring part if United india then that of a artificial state called Pakistan.
@@bilalbhutta6881 Bilal Bhai, Aap Samjhdar Ho.
Apse Ek Guzarish Hai. Canada Mat Jana. Next Pakístan Wahi Banega.
May Be Australia, New Zealand Ka VISa Try Krna.
@@bilalbhutta6881 Not All, But Some Mùslíms In Indía Are Fàr Mòre Radícàlísèd Thàn Pakístánís.
It’s Only A Matter Of Tíme, In Next 50-100 Years, There Wíll Be Híndù-Mùslím Ríótś.
Oncè The Mùslím Pòpùlatíon In Indía Reachès 40% & Abóvè. Thíngś Wíll Gó Bèyònd Còntròl.
Untíll Mùllà, Mùftí & Màdàrssà Are Còntròllèd, Radícalísatíon Wíll Contínùè.
Watching this out of a sense of duty to Dr.Pervez Hoodhoy.. who takes so much effort to set up..
This guy is all mixed up. Stalin in terms of sheer numbers was the most brutal followed by Mao. Hitler was a distant third. As to Pakistan at one time being considered the Asian Tiger was because as a willing client state of the US it received large amounts of funds which subsequently was misused and looted. Its original agricultural and industrial as well as educational base was run by Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities who were expelled at gunpoint so that the Muslims could loot their wealth.
This pretty much goes with Islamic thought in which living off other peoples wealth and hard work. is its underpinning.
At 1:26:50 in the video, Prof Hoodbhoy complians that he saw many Armed Jehadi Organisations operating in Muzafrabad, Pakistan in 2005, the Guest speaker Mr Amin Hashwani take it very positive and supports such organisations saying that nations do play game against each other. It is everywhere. He falsely blame India to have similar organisations which he cannot name if asked. He further says that India and Pakistan both are deep states. See the level of thoughts of an educated person in Pakistan addressing in lecture to new generation. He is not aware that today his country is isolated, disintegrated internally, underdeveloped and people facing hunger due to such activities. God bless Pakistan with true wisdom.
It's a sad to see that when intellectuals speak you get hardly 100 people to listen & when politicians or Mullahs speak the crowd is in lthousands.... That reflects the mentality that prevails in Pakistan... So it reflects very poorly on the Nation as whole I feel
BJP se pahale bhi Pakistan ne India se konsi dushmani nahin nibhai?