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The fact you just do this with your time to help people understand the law as you say in a general sense is amazing thanks a million as a professional driver this helps a lot tho one thing I will say is slow down first put your hazards on and slowly pull over in a safe place don’t just come to a dead stop blocking the road
He helps people misunderstand the law in many ways.
@@thefoxhat6163 what makes you say that?
@@UrbanXFiles Because he has done that a number of times. Having a law degree doesn't make someone competent. It just means they managed to put the right answers on the exam papers.
@@thefoxhat6163 well, I suppose your right about the test. As if u put the right answers, then you pass. So to pass you must know the answers.
I'm curious to what other videos has been done by him that provide false information. Do you remember what video it was about?
As I'm sure if he was wrong, he'd admit it or correctly make the video to be right. But I'd be surprised if he'd made multiple videos that are wrong. As I'd guess he'd research the content 1st.
He'd probably thank you for pointing a mistake out. Take care
True, he would get some revenue from advertisements but its probably not on a par with his hourly rate as a barrister.
Providing your insurance details used to be easy when there were police stations in every town that were actually open. Nowadays police stations were sold and turned into blocks of flats and the few that are left are on part time.
Thank you for the service you provide free of charge to us all
on youtube. It really is appreciated.
My way has always been to
be polite/friendly & co-operate.
I have never had any problem
with an officer in my 62 years.
On many occasions of meeting
them we have enjoyed humorous
conversations before parting. Additionally, when I have needed their assistance I have always found them to be kind, reassuring, professional & likeable.
Nice info! I've recently been watching a lot of videos by Audit the Audit and realised I actually know nothing about UK laws. Glad I found your channel!
I was pulled a few years ago for looking at the oncoming police car for too long. A few months later my friend was stopped because he didn't look at them. Apparently both made us look suspicious. They will pull you regardless.
I was pulled once because “my car was very clean” 🤔
Did neither of you understand the concept of Sec 163 RTA?
I got pulled for speeding went to court with my dashcam footage the speed limit was 20mph my dashcam recorded my maximum speed on that bit of road at 20.5mph the judge may as well have laughed in the police officers face whom claimed I was doing 50mph
@@Ksknight100 cringe
I was pulled because "A black man can't ride a motorcycle" police words
I was once pulled over by plain clothes officers on suspicion of stealing my own car that had not been reported. I didn't know my rights so complied with their request for idetification, I showed my driving licence. I did complain because they used the road traffic act to get my details, when it was a suspected criminal offence they were stopping me for. In hind sight I would have told them nothing.
Plain clothes can't perform traffic stops. They need a man in uniform with them to comply with the law...
@@waynearcher that's right, they did have a traffic cop on a bike blocking my car I was suspected of stealing, but he just sat on his bike doing nothing. They were a bit upset by the interaction that I didn't appreciate them potentially catching a car thief. I asked if I had reported my car stolen lol.
Keep them coming. Great stuff. Big thanks.
This Barrister is very helpful and gives his advice for free and is very informative and spells out in simple English scenarios that would be very difficult for an ordinary person to understand.
Thank you very much 👍
@@Steves_fish
Irrelevant- Because it’s good advice for me to read and gain knowledge from it.
@@andydavies5883 Actually it's not irrelevant. If he's giving you advice, this basically means you are now his client by giving you, an individual, legal advice. However, this is instead guidance.
@@edgingjogo Hmmmm I'll take that under advice.
(Just kidding, you're right)
As a Uk law abiding black man this subject is deeply profound for me as I have been assaulted keys taken etc committing no crime. They stopped me under the road traffic act which was fine then proceeded to assault me under the prejudice assumption I was a drug dealer or criminal as I refused to come out of my car to have a ‘word with them and give them my car keys’ took 5 years of stress and loads of money in the end judge ruled in my favour (unlawful prosecution) and I took the met police to the cleaners for thousands of pounds which came out of the public purse.
I should not be assaulted etc when I am not doing anything unlawful just Driving while black should not be an offence. I should not be shown prejudice because of the colour of my skin and treated differently because I’m black the police employ far to many racists things will never change unfortunately. I never received an apology. Well the money helped me to by a new car and help towards saving towards the housing ladder.
You lot do get pulled over a lot now. 25 years ago me and our demographic got pulled over a lot too. I remember one pull over. The old bill stole my only £20 out of my wallet, but thought fuck it, he didn't give me a producer.
I live in a small village and there is only one none white family. I cannot explain how much they are loved.
As in your experience, they receive terrible treatment from the Police. It seems that only white people can genuinely have a beautiful home and car. Despite Villagers complaining, nothing seems to work.
@@paigeleigh2554 👏🏾
I can’t help but think that such things would happen less often if the officers themselves were on the hook for the pay out. All but the most mouth-frothingly racist might have pause if they know that their house and their pension pot were on the line when they did a DWB stop. I’d hope that anyone that racist would get found out early in their career and shuffled out.
I think another part of the problem is that too many people think that police officers need to be given more leeway than the public so they can do their job. As I see it because of the extra power they have they need to be held to a higher standard to make sure they exercise that power correctly. We also need to increase recruitment and retention of officers from non-white groups, which means making the police forces a more welcoming place for people from those groups, which would hopefully also go some way to resolving the issues of racism in general in the force.
@@StephenBoothUK institutional racism is real.
Any help when being unfortunate enough to be dealing with police is most welcome, thank you very much.
Tested in court years ago, followed on the a303 by an unmarked with only blue lights, no siren or drop down police stop on the sun visor, officer was not in uniform and the "chase" as they put it ended by me stopping when a police officer in uniform requested it. Went to court and I had video evidence ( a rear camera) which showed the plain clothed officer did not have siren or police signs on his car, made him look a right liar in court. While following i shouted at the unmarked ID, tapped my shoulders and pointed at my collar, not once did this guy show me any id, hat, collar number etc. Was thrown out
What about searching your car?!
@@keithsmith8525 I have wondered if they can get you if you forget you have left unsprung rat traps under your car seat ?
Basic drivers of the police don't use sirens, only lights.l
@mick9419 not on the move. If they can use lights they can use sirens.
Thank you for a great video - very informative. And have a nice weekend.
love these clips. ive always thought that if we live by the law then I think it should be taught in schools
This is a highly underrated point of view. Much like taxes, mortgages and even basic first aid, all of these and more is something people either deal with routinely or will likely encounter and nothing (at least in my education) was taught on them.
But what about gods, fairy studies and black history month!
In other words it is a legal way for the police to harass motorists for no other reason than they want to.
Non-Stick Pan your almost certain to get stopped while driving if your head is stuck up your arse, at the very least your vision will be impaired and that could be dangerous.
I’ve had nice cars and when I was younger they would always pull me over. No reason other than they thought I stole said vehicles. According to one officer I was too young to have a fancy car. Another time police assaulted us and shoved me into my friends car because he had personalised number plates spelling his name. It was a racist police saying that there were drug dealers in our area that matched our description. This was bull, my friend had just passed his driving licence and was we were going for a drive in his new car.
Another time I was accused of speeding, again an excuse since I had a nice car and had cruise control set for 30mph.
After a while you get ptsd from all the hassle from the police.
Not if you know the law or have a lawyer or QC that knows the law. They MUST have reasonable grounds to stop you. "I don't like the colour, what the driver looks like, need to check documents etc" are NOT reasonable grounds. You have to have comitted an offence or be suspected of doing so. Police & lawyers think it can be used on a whim. It can't.
@@thefoxhat6163 No they don't have to have reasonable grounds to stop you unfortunately. Think he made that clear.
@@MarkGilligan4 Are you suggesting a Constable has the power to stop anyone and make demands without good reason or just cause? Do you believe we live in occupied France circa 1943? Perhaps you could read Articles 4 & 25 of Act of Union 1707. It is a constitutional statute. It supercedes ordinary statutes and your beliefs. Lord Diplock said “A constitution, and in particular that part of it which protects and entrenches fundamental rights and freedoms to which all persons in the state are to be entitled, is to be given a generous and purposive construction. In the construction of statutory provisions which contravene human rights and freedoms there is a presumption of constitutionality.” Attorney-General of The Gambia -v- Momodou Jobe [1984] AC 689
. “Parliament cannot sidestep a restriction in the constitution by a colourable device.” Ladore -v- Bennett [1939] 3 All ER 98; [1939] AC 468; 108 LJPC 69.
Laws J said “If subordinate legislation cannot be construed in a way that makes it compatible with fundamental rights, it will be declared ultra vires.” Regina -v- Lord Chancellor ex parte John Witham [1997] EWHC Admin 237; [1998] QB 575.
Do you require more proof your belief is erroneous? I have more. Lots more.
Great video as always. Thanks.
Thanks for all your advice.
Love this channel. Thank you very much for telling us the facts, very interesting.
After the Sarah Everard case I'm imagining that for many women, myself included, will be very wary and distrustful of the police. I'm pretty sure, although I would stop I'd keep all doors locked and would not roll the window down more than I needed to communicate. Any suspicious or threatening behaviour and I'd be leaving. I drive a large 4 x 4 and am prepared to use the mounting numbers of assaults and sexual assaults carried out by serving police officers as a defence.
I wonder what others think?
You are correct to do your actions i.e lock doors with window down a touch never join them in their car unless arrested.Any real copper would understand a solo women,s concerns about safety.search on youtube = driving while black london2017
to see police limits on stops.If you can record on your mobile all police interaction even if they say our body cams are on.
I do sympathise and think you are quite right ; I would suggest telling the cop that you are proceeding to the nearest police station , and once moving , call 999 and tell them what is happening - they SHOULD let you proceed to the police station .
You should just pull over and stop when told to do so. You can’t really use one extreme case (that happened when he wasn’t on duty!) And it’s likely to get you in trouble (TPAC’d or tyres stung). The real key to the police is to talk to them like they are human, engage with them normally and you’ll be fine.
Thanks very much for this.
I’ve enjoyed this , very interesting
Many thanks
The reality is that in most cases, if you’re the registered keeper, the Police have already looked up your details before they talk to you, so they know your licence status and the tax, insurance and MOT status of the car already.
Update: I see even now the clueless are insisting I’m wrong, despite the capability being used over 86,000 times by over 18 police areas, and boasted about on the DVLA website:
“DVLA has been working with the police and Home Office on a service which allows police officers to confirm a driver’s identity at the roadside for motoring offences”.
“The service we developed, known as the ‘Photo at the Roadside Service’, has been running since August 2019. We are now looking to roll it out to the majority of police forces across the country. It saves time by allowing police officers to access the photograph held on DVLA’s driver database through their mobile devices, meaning they can confirm the correct identity of a driver almost instantly”.
“We have recently rolled out the service to 18 police forces. So far, over 86,000 driving licence images have been accessed by police support to confirm the identity of motorists at the roadside”.
@@sleepingwarrior4618 I agree, but they also have your photograph from your driving licence.
@@sleepingwarrior4618,it is not an offence to lie to a police officer
@@fredbloggs5902 My driving license doesn't have a photograph.
@@sleepingwarrior4618 No its not and boy do they use it to misrepresent the law, you must exit your car you must give me your keys etc few online videos clearly show this.
@@simonyoungglostog how old are you?! 🤣
There was an episode of one of the UK police docs on tv a few years back and they stopped a driver as it had flagged up they had no insurance. The driver had insurance and had the cover note to prove it and only just got the car hours earlier so it had not updated on the database yet. The police should have said at that point - we just had to check thanks for stopping, take care now. Instead the police attitude was damn we cant get them on insurance lets find something else to get them on then proceeded to 'check over' the car - they gave the driver a 'producer note' was the only thing they could come out with. It made me realise at that point the police must have targets and quotas which explains why they are so determined to get that ticket issued or have you arrested to get their tally up drivers or not.
It came out a couple of years ago that’s greater Manchester police and London Metro both have arrest targets, tells you all you need to know
Wish I'd seen this a few years ago ! Thankyou
My son some years ago was staying with his brother - he had some life changes to make and needed a temporary relocation to help him deal with this - he took his car with him. It was not long before he was pulled over by the police. They thought he had illegal plates, but he told them he was visiting from the Isle of Man where the plates were issued by the local government there. Although not entirely happy they allowed him to go on his way. He was stopped another five times in a space of a few weeks for the same reason plus having no MOT. He explained the Island had no MOT as such just a government first registration and testing centre. Again, they were not happy but let him go on his way. Eventually he managed to obtain a document from one of the police team declaring they had checked this vehicle and it was on the road legitimately. Some weeks later his car was broken into and driven away. When the police eventually found it it had been stripped of most of it’s removable fitments and was no longer legal to drive. As it was a iconic model XR3i and a classic it was no longer in production and was now only fit for scrap…The police did not find the culprits.
I doubt the cops even bothered to look. It was probably cops that committed the crime
I was stoped in the back end of south London, I had my license, but their system was unable to find my insurance details.....so, I had to go to Lewisham with insurance details. What I found notable was that there was no form of receipt given at the point of the "producing". Effectively I had now way to prove "the producer" was slaked, if the record fell through some administrative cracks.
@TeflonBilly.........at the roadside, my perception is that they triggered a "producer" requirement.....having triggered it, I then, have to turn up, and slake that requirement, and that record will hopefully enter the system. But unlike a "stop and search", which triggers ability to obtain a receipt, a "producer" does not. If I am required to prove the "producer" took place, I have no ability, I have no receipt, they have no receipt counter foil.
@TeflonBilly the desk constable is REQUIRED to note the production in the station log ; I have done this a couple of times in the dark distant past and the details from the HO-RT1 , along with my details , date and time of production are all recorded . This should be done at the counter , in front of the person producing , so is easily verified .
@@robertwoodliff2536 Can you Photograph, or video yourself ‘producing ‘ ?
@@derekheeps1244.......it did not feel that solid to me..Maybe it is a reflection of my dealing with the admin structures of London., you put something in., to find it get lost., or hung up on the "wiring" and needs to be pushed along, or resubmitted..I have a perception it was entered into a computer system., no sense of a paper trace...i asked if there was a receipt.,I got something of a friendly brush off..I don't remember if I asked for a name.,but eventually just jotted the time down 'cos I felt there was enough CCTV to bare record..
Section 164 - Power of constables to require production of driving licence - this doesn’t mean you have to hand it over as long as they can see the license through the window that is producing your license.
Keep it in your house as recommended .. by the police. Instead commit the technical offence and just get a HORT1 producer ...
@@andyxox4168 Personally, I would rather produce it at the roadside. I would also be happy to hand it to the officer through my partially open window. I know it's valid and I know what classes of vehicles I can drive and don't drive other than in accordance with my licence so I don't have too much to worry about if I pass it to a police officer. I'd be interested in hearing what people think the result might be of letting the police officer touch my licence or even take it to their car?
@@tlangdon12 up to you thought the police themselves recommend that you don’t carry or keep your licence in the car!
As always, brilliant and informative. Thank you and keep well.
I got waved down once by a police man when cycling to work one morning (he stood in the middle of the road and waved his arms). As a good citizen I stopped.
The police were running a campaign to get all bikes registered and I got a bacon sandwich out of the deal too!
So, it could be in your benefit to stop - on this particular day it was a two-for-one stop!
Unfortunately, Section 165A, Road Traffic Act 1988 is a very much abused provision. Police officers reaching in through driver's windows and taking the keys out of the ignition switch, PCSOs seizing vehicles* and police officers lying to get an insurer to cancel a motorist's insurance are just some of the abuses.
*A PCSO in Derbyshire unlawfully seized a vehicle under Section 165A, Road Traffic Act 1988. The prosecution was forced to drop the case when it was confirmed what had happened. The recovery operator assisting the police was warned the vehicle had been unlawfully seized, yet saw fit to destroy the vehicle. The motorist received £1500 damages, this being the cost of a replacement vehicle of equivalent make, model, age and condition, whilst the PCSO and police officer, who should have been supervising the PCSO and ensuring such abuses did not take place, were both subject to disciplinary action.
Another reason every driver should have dash cams.
@@twistsouth514 Exactly.
When I used to work night shifts on a mental health unit sometimes I would do a split shift from 7 pm until 3 am in the morning ! The streets are empty at that time! Sometimes saw the police but never got stopped! Don't think I would stop! 😂 thankyou for sharing and taking the time to do this,
@Mike Allen I think that locking the doors and speaking to the police officer through a partially open window is fine, but if the officer is concerned about your manner of driving, e.g. they think you are drunk or driving under the influence of drugs, or the car is not roadworthy, they are not going to let you drive any further than the safe place they have stopped you. So if you decide to drive on after being stopped, whatever other offences you are (or aren't) prosected for, you are likely to be successfully prosecuted for failing to stop for a police office. You have the choice whether to drive on or not, but I can't see it being a defence to claim you are scared of police officers, unless you have strong evidence of this. I think it also makes a difference if the police officer is working alone - I would see a lone office as much more of a threat. If you know the area, and you know of a petrol station or an open supermarket or pub car park you can drive to in five minutes or so, then I don't see the problem with saying to them "I'm a lone female, you are a single officer, I don't feel comfortable dealing with this here, can we drive to xxx?". Their response might cause you to drive to the nearest police station to report them as a police impersonator, or might reassure you that all is well.
Police blue lights flashing behind your car and you dont stop well good luck with that one
@@tlangdon12 Here in Scotland police are required to work in pairs , due to the second one being required in law to provide corroboration . A lone police officer has very limited powers .
@@Alexander.......... I work for the fire service and legitimately have blue lights in my personal vehicles ( which I use to attend incidents ) but I cannot and never would try to stop anyone . There have been numerous cases of fake police and ambulance vehicles on the roads , complete with livery and blue lights ; so it is perfectly reasonable to drive to the nearest police station if unsure they are genuine . It is , of course , advisable to dial 999 , if ou are in a position to , and explain what is happening , where you are going and why .
@@Alexander.......... you can buy flashing blue light units online. There was a guy in my town twice caught with his car rigged up with them. He claimed they were film props.
If you don't feel safe stopping, then you just might be correct.
Love watching your vids. This one just reinforces my belief that the UK's legal system is so corrupt, all laws apply to All but even the legal profession can not be expected to understand it so what chance for the great unwashed that only come in contact with it occasionally and may not be able to afford specialist legal advice. Please keep up the good work.
One fact that was left out is that a driver isn't required to answer any questions i.e. where are you going where have you come from have you consumed any alcohol. Have you any illegal substances in your vehicle. All a driver is requred to do is produce is your licence insurance etc. A driver can refuse a search of his vehicle and their person. The police have to have more than suspicion that a driver has any illegal goids or substances in their vehicle to be able to search the vehicle. I don't recommend being co-operative I recommend following the law to the letter.
As others have mentioned, what's the situation if a police officer wishes to search your car and/or boot?
If they ask if they can search your cars, say "I do not consent to you searching my car". If they want to search it and they think they have power do so, they will search it regardless of anything you say or do, so you and your solicitor will have to respond after the car has been searched if the police go ahead and search it.
I have noted that its becoming more prevalent for police to try and take the keys of a stopped car, they also like the "come and sit in the back of our car" both are unnecessary and a violation as in my opinion is unlawful detainment. It seen to come with the even more common use of handcuffs on traffic stops or street stops, you also could have included searches of vehicles once stopped
he purposely left out the bit about being asked to sit in the back of the police car
How often do you get stopped?
All for safety.
@@iamadamowen Not very often but each time I have its been hunt the charge, and its tiresome, and I have been watching RUclips as it shows bad behaviour on the police to many and that's ON Camera, if they act like that on camera how do they bahave off? There are several videos online where older men dragged out of the car just because they wouldn't go into cop car.. I was on a Jury and was stunned to see how poorly honest normal people view them, oh and the Judges have had enough they are no longer given the benefit and endorsement they once did
Where have you noted this, what's your evidence ?
They do this to take control of the situation and put you at a disadvantage. Once trapped in the back of their car (child locks on) your basically at their mercy. Wouldn't suit me as I'm claustrophobic and been locked in like that could lead to a panic attack and even violence.
Thanks for your channel 👍
UK Roads Policing & authorised X2 Taser officer
April 9, 2019
The automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) System checks your details against the police national computer (PNC). However, the alarm only triggers certain things such as insurance, stolen VEL. If you manually check the record it will show if the MOT is current.
Here is a question, if you are pulled over for a traffic stop, they ask you to go to theirs car, you oblige, then you see the other officer looking in your boot and looking in your car, at what point can they search your car, or are they not allowed, is it the same in Scotland
As far as I know, you do not have to exit the vehicle unless you are under arrest. A police officer who lost it and smashed his way into a car was prosecuted. Again, without reasonable suspicion, they cannot search your car. They can look through the window from outside but not enter or go into the boot without a warrant. In reality, they will say that you smell of drugs or the car does and that will be their excuse. It may still be worth suing them though as the officer may have a hard time justifying his suspicion.
@@RonSeymour1 thanks for that, wonder if they were to pull the smell alcohol or drugs one, you could agree do the drugs or alcohol test, then put in a complaint that the officer smelt of drugs or alcohol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 would be funny lol
i have been pulled over on a few occasions as officers have taken a liking to my supersports motorcycle, my advice in order to have a favourable outcome is to turn off your machine, take off your helmet and be polite.
Lucky you didn't have an appointment to keep.
@@mhappy01 by complying with reasonable requests only speeds up the stop and makes you less late than you would have been were you to be obstructive or uncooperative.
The Stig’s fucked then.😟
@@mhappy01 If you let a police officer know you are under time pressure, you are handing them a way to exert more control over you. Don't get mad, don't fume, stay cool and the chances are it will be sorted within 20 minutes.
Always find your videos have great content and often they also lead to more questions i would like to ask. On this occasion my question is:.... What powers do the 'Traffic Officer(s) have' ? (by traffic Officer i am referring to the type shown in this video, the ones who often patrol motorways).
Do they have any power to chase and request a Pull Over?, do they have any equipment on their vehicles similar to a 'Proper' Police Patrol vehicle?
Have you done a video on this?
Huge thanks for your immense content and enlightening insights to all things legal.
Many thanks again.
Most people watch too many American TV shows
And confuse their laws with ours. 😂
missing pap
@@juicygossip334 yes! Trying to find out if he’s ok!
I was driving down the M6 when I saw a Police car display a message "follow me" obviously directed at another motorist he had pulled in front of. I assume there is now a requirement to comply with this instruction.
I doubt the law requires you to comply with a "follow me", but why wouldn't you? I would follow the police car up to the point I became uneasy about where they were going. e.g. If they drive into dark industrial estate, I wouldn't follow them. I'd stop where there were still street lights. They would have to reverse and explain where they were going. Realistically, they are only going to use a "Follow me" to take you to the closest point they can safely stop you which might be a lay-by or service area. I beleive that the traffic cars that have such signs also have a STOP sign. I would understand that this STOP sign is the same a Police Officer stopping you as provided for by S163 of the RTA 1988. So you have to STOP, but you don't have to follow the police into an unsafe area - you commit no offence of not following them.
Is in the Highway Code.
Really? Where? Here are the rules in the current Highway Code from www.gov.uk:
Rule 106
Police stopping procedures. If the police want to stop your vehicle they will, where possible, attract your attention by
flashing blue lights, headlights or sounding their siren or horn, usually from behind
directing you to pull over to the side by pointing and/or using the left indicator.
You MUST then pull over and stop as soon as it is safe to do so. Then switch off your engine.
Law RTA 1988 sect 163
Rule 107
Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency officers have the power to stop vehicles on all roads, including motorways and trunk roads. They will attract your attention by flashing amber lights
either from the front requesting you to follow them to a safe place to stop
or from behind directing you to pull over to the side by pointing and/or using the left indicator.
It is an offence not to comply with their directions. You MUST obey any signals given (see ‘Signals by authorised persons’).
Laws RTA 1988 sect 67, & PRA sect 41 & sched 5(8)
Rule 108
Traffic officers have powers to stop vehicles on most motorways and some ‘A’ class roads, in England and Wales. If traffic officers in uniform want to stop your vehicle on safety grounds (e.g. an insecure load) they will, where possible, attract your attention by
flashing amber lights, usually from behind
directing you to pull over to the side by pointing and/or using the left indicator.
You MUST then pull over and stop as soon as it is safe to do so. Then switch off your engine. It is an offence not to comply with their directions (see ‘Signals by authorised persons’).
Law RTA 1988 sects 35 & 163 as amended by TMA sect 6
It is an offence for a driver to fail to comply with directions given by a constable in uniform ; it matters not whether this is a verbal instruction , one given by hand signals , use of blue lights , or some other method .
@@adrianengland4563 re rule 107 , DVSA would first have to identify themselves to you ; 'anyone' can have flashing orange beacons and these in themselves are not authority to effect a stop ; if driving at night and all you can see is a pair of headlamps and a vague orange glow from a beacon mounted on the roof of a van which is outside the field of view of your read windscreen , no one would be expected to stop .
Rule 108 - we don't have 'plastic policemen' here in Scotland so they have NO AUTHORITY here if the cross the border .
Police in the United States simply use the old chestnut of ( I noticed you drifting out of your lane of travel ).
To any minor infraction such as tinted windows that may be obviously legal , but used as an excuse to get you stopped , and then the fishing expedition begins.
In summation, police in any country have their go-to excuse to make a traffic stop to fish around for chargable offences.
Nicely done 👍👍
I keep getting stopped, but not questioned. It's doing my head in. Police will literally swerve in front of me blocking the road, they don't get out, they don't come to my car and ask me any questions, they just sit there and radio some shit in, usually lasts about 10 minutes before they drive off giving me dirty looks! It's a regular thing, at least 3 or 4 times a month.
you are probably driving a car that was once owned by a drug dealer or some violent offender and once they get a good look at you they lose interest. I suggest you get rid of the car.
Another idea, I am not a fan of personalized number plates but in this case it might be an idea to get one just to legally change the ID of the car and for no other reason than that. Any old plate, the cheapest you can find.
@@01matthewc In the plate transfer you have to give the old plate number, I don't know, but maybe, just maybe, the marker on the car will change to new plate number, think police may get wise to the camouflage.
A dash cam might help.
You're in wrong place for help here then, tbh!
What should you do when waved down, but you might suspect that the police are imposters? Should you drive past slowly and tell them you are going to the nearest police station? There have been instances where people do impersonate police officers.
The nearest Police Station will probably be closed.
Same with unmarked police cars - it is permitted to drive to the nearest police station , or place of safety ; it can be advisable to call 999 as you are doing so and explain what and why you are doing .
You could try but might find yrself then subject to a hard stop. Someone who has got something to hide/dispose of wld of course like extra time
@@vanpallandt5799 no you wouldn't, if you keep to the speed limit and stop at red lights, the police would radio for a marked car to stop you
@@michaelgrace1298 yes if you did first two i agree...it does make unmarked traffic cars less useful potentially
In the video it is shown a police car at the side of the road behind a temporally placed traffic sign. The sign has written on it in broad letters POLICE, under that is an arrow pointing to the RIGHT. What is this sign indicating or asking me to comply with. I ask this question because a sign that was placed in the road had ACCIDENT written on it, I took it to as an INFORMATION sign and not a command to stop, I did slow down and proceeded with great care but was stopped by the police for not conforming to an instruction. I did argue the point which tended to make matters worse, but they let me continue on my way after a lengthy and some times heated conversation in which I was threatened with intended prosecution at a later date. I never was contacted later to be prosecuted.
Always wondered if you have no MoT, shouldn’t your insurance automatically be invalid? Except for the allowed driving to/from a pre-booked MoT.
The wording used in Sections 164 & 165 state that you must GIVE your details as opposed to speaking. I assume you could write down the necessary information as pass this to the police officer. When I was last stopped driving my motor vehicle they were determined to find out where I had been and where I was travelling to. I understand their is no requirement to give this information to the police.
Glad that you brought this point up as one night I was stopped while driving a left hand drive vehicle here in England. The police officer went to the off-side door, the passenger wound down the window and the officer asked the passenger---IS THIS YOUR VEHICLE SIR----. There was just one little problem, the passenger was my brother-in-law and has been completely deaf since birth. He tried telling the officer to his best ability that he was deaf but the officer could not handle the job. It took me to get out of the car while the officer was shouting at me to get back in the vehicle, what with the noise of my brother-in-law who couldn't hear the noise that he was making and the officer shouting it was a complete night-mare. SO!!!!!! I think that as in the case of a driver being deaf, the answer would be that the driver should communicate to the best of his abilities depending on his circumstances.
Often some clever police, say they want the nature of the journey. Under the pretext of determining if you are driving in accordance with your insurance. For example if you are driving on company business, you need business insurance. However, section 164 and 165 don’t cover that. So I think its permitted to decline to answer that. In fact it’s probably best to stick with Name, Address, DOB. They should be able to determine insurance.
You can write your details down so that you don't enter joinder !!
Lol😂they would just assume that you are a 🔔 end and let you waste your time writing things down. Unless you are really deaf lol
163 begins and ends with the power to stop any vehicle. Contrary to your belief and many police, it does NOT confer additional powers. When a Constable stops you under 163, they are legally obliged to tell you they've used 163 to stop you. They then have to provide their Name, the station they operate out of and their REASONABLE GROUNDS for the stop. 163 is NOT an ARBITRARY power to be used on a whim. I wouldn't employ you to defend me on the basis you haven't a clue about the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to "FULL FEEDOM of PASSAGE, TRADE & NAVIGATION" contained in The Acts of Union (Article 4) this is Stare Decis and is backed by Article 25 of the Acts of Union. There is lots of Case law (Common law) on the subject. Try reading it.
You might want to take your own advice and do a little bit more reading, namely s164 of road traffic act.
@@nietzschean3138 What does s164 RTA provision for? Is it an arbitrary power? Are you legally required to carry your driving license with you? Do you think s165 & s172 might be there for a reason? Think of legislation as a step by step guide for police. The case law surrounding the challenges of legislation in the higher courts are what lawyers should concentrate on & police codes of practice/conduct to win cases. Judges in the higher courts make the Common Law.
@@thefoxhat6163 You were saying s163 carries no additional powers but further sections do. No you don't need to carry your driving licence but you do need to talk to the Police and provide them with some information if they stop you. Legislation isn't a step by step guide for Police either. It's legal system for use by all members of society.
Also don't forget S165 also carries power of seizure of your vehicle if you don't have said documents and can't produce them.
@@nietzschean3138 You just imagine things into existence. Do you have a law degree? I ask because only someone with a law degree or a bootlicking copsucker thinks someone needs to talk to police. Here is what 90% of all lawyers will say "Never answer police questions unless you're under arrest and then only to provide your name address & date of birth".
What part of "You have the right to remain silent" causes you to believe you DO NOT have the right to remain silent? If you had never applied for a driving license, you'd have no contract with DVLA & UK Gov. If there is no contract between the parties, how do you enforce the written agreement? Read Articles 4 & 25 Act of Union with Scotland/England 1707. There are no LEGAL restrictions on your FULL FREEDOM of passage trade & navigation no matter how much you imagine there is or want there to be. Would you like some case law on the matter?
if you are a motorist in the UK you're going to be preyed upon persecuted lied to manipulated and exploited of Every Corner all in the name of safety which is simply not true it's time to put a stop up to such exploitation it's time I'm to make a stand.
Thank you 🤗
4:42 ..only a programmer or a BARRISTER says AND / OR so casually 🙃
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A programmer wouldn't, there would be no need to.
The police caution includes the phrase "...but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now something you later rely on in evidence..." Have you ever known a defence to be harmed in this way? The very notion seems to be at odds with your right to remain silent (for your own protection) - you have the right, but if you exercise your right you may suffer disadvantage.
This mainly applies to police interviews under caution..
Do exactly what the police do when they under IOPC or criminal investigation.. they provide a “No Comment” interview, once they gauge the level of evidence against them their police federation issued lawyer provides a short statement to counter “adverse inference” in court(your silent can’t be used against you because you provided your side of the story in a short statement)
Regardless of your guilt or innocence don’t bother talking to the police they only going to twist everything you say and charge you.. they very corrupt..
If it’s good enough for the biggest criminal gang in the country, it’s good for us!😉
Its a catch all phrase put into law some years ago to stop us from defending ourselves with silence. Political hypocracy at its finest.
@@shookoneldn300 ^^^^ THIS 100%. My Aunt (now deceased) was a depute Fiscal (Sherriff) and my wife's only Uncle is a man @Black Belt Barrister will know as he wrote most of the UK Law's being the Draft legislator of the UK Parliament for 20+ years as well as a Practice Master of the Privy Council. Advise from both of them is exactly what you say - say the bare minimum (Name DOB) and do not accept the "duty solicitor" as they will invariably be on the side of the police. Say nothing till your appointed Solicitor arrives, answer everything with "no comment" but provide a short written statement which both he/she and you sign. Keep a copy. This applies even if you have not done the thing the Police accuse you of. Remember the Police are LESS concerned with who dunnit than they are about getting someone for it, it's a case of "if the face fits".
@@mhappy01 Section 50 also compels you to give your details, or risk arrest for not doing so, so technically they're taking away your legal right to silence, any other section only demands your details after you're arrested,and it can be an offence not to give details. Sec 50 demands details before the arrest. Sec 50 is insidious, and possibly illegal, forcing you to ID under threat of arrest. Please be wary of it.
@@shookoneldn300 Good advice. You need a solicitor with you before you talk to the police under caution. You and your solicitor should let the police ask all the questions they want, answering none of them, and then work out what evidence or information you might actually have to rely on in court, and provide just this information to the police via a written statement. Your solicitor should help you balance the value of telling the police something so that you can rely on it in court, and the risk of not telling something that you might need to rely on. I imagine you would need a very good reason not to tell the police something that you were likely to rely on, to counter any adverse inference that might be drawn from not telling them.
one question that the legal profession don't like to answer is that, does an order by an county court have to have a signature, especially when orders of possession are involved
I'm curious my friend lives in his converted camper van full time he believes that they can't search the habitation area with out a warrant as it is his home is this right?
Also I would be very interested in a video on the legal rights regarding living in your vehicle in the UK
Thanks very much
Please confirm that section 163 applies to cyclists but section 164 and 165 doesn't ?
Ha. Can you produce your licence for the conveyance that does not require a licence?
S.164 and 5 does not apply to pedal cycles. 164 and 5 refer to a ‘motor vehicle’ which is any mechanically propelled vehicle made or adapted for use on the roads. A mechanically propelled vehicle is one powered by steam, electric, petrol, diesel, oil or gas.
hey pinaci news what i want to know is what power they have with parked vehicles
@@geko7844 Yet an electric bike is classed as a normal bicycle and full under the same rules ?
@@juicygossip334 It's my understanding that if you're sat in the drivers seat of a parked car then you are in charge of a motor vehicle.
Does a woman traveling alone have the right to continue on to a more public "safe space" before engaging with the police?
Many advise action to take is to slow down and put on hazard lights until you reach a area with lights or people i.e a garage/fast food outlet etc.Then you cannot be accused of making off.
@@carlharris2808 Many advise incorrectly. The driver does not have the right to decide where and when they feel like stopping.
@@Kizron_Kizronson that's not the question that was asked. In the UK, ANYONE has the right to travel to a reasonable safe area. Even to ring 999 and ask if it's a legitimate police vehicle trying to pull them over. The control room can check if it's legit and contact the traffic car.
There has been documented instances of FAKE officers pulling over single women and assaulting them.
Putting on the hazards and/or slowing down indicates to the suspected police officer that you are aware of their presence and are not trying to escape.
@@RichO1701e That is EXACTLY the question being asked. Read the original question, 8th word along is the clue. They didn't ask if a driver could get away with traveling further for some reason and the police might understand, or if there might be extenuating circumstances that would work in their favour in court if they delayed stopping. They asked if doing so was a RIGHT.
Here is a link to the legislation. The relevant subsection is 163, but you can check the whole thing if you like, to try and find any mention of the driver having some discretion about where they choose to stop. Good luck with that.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/contents
Maybe so but women do not have the monopoly on feeling jittery and vulnerable when approached in a dark road...
Just looking for advise I have seen a video before linked to freeman of the land stops.... which they stated that If the car is not reported stolen on police database they have no authority for the driver to give details at road as no offence has been committed so at road side it is down to the police to have a reason of suspicion of an offence to obtain those details is that correct or just being a driver in a vehicle they can arrest you if you refuse to provide it to them even tho they can access your details via register keeper if you claim you are the registered keeper?
Surly if you are stopped under section 163 RTA, that only permits the police to stop the car but the driver (if told they have been stopped under 163) don't have to provide details as they were not stopped under 164 of the act? is that correct?
could you do a video on seatbelt exemption, who can apply or reasons to apply for one
I remember reading a thing that if a police car flashes you on the road, you can refuse to pull over until you reach a crowded or ctv covered area like a petrol station or have verified with 101/999 that the police car is legit.
Is this accurate?
Gonna be a long drive if you’re in Snowdonia or the Highlands of Och Ay the Nicky Noo Land ...
@Mike Allen you’re surely right, the police are such a benevolent force for good nowadays 🤔
In my case when I overtook an unmarked police car at speed late at night on an empty country road, they lit me up and I immediately slowed down below the limit. They then turned their lights off and when we were reaching a layby about 2miles further along they lit me up again and I pulled over. As soon as the policeman came to my window I already had got my driving licence out my wallet and said I guess you want this.. he shouted at me a bit about speed... went back to check the details.. came back and shouted a bit more at me about being impatient.. then said keep it on the black stuff and off I went... delayed me by 15mins but ultimately I think not being a dick and being cooperative saved me from fines and points
Can they search your vehicle on a routine traffic stop?
Can they ask where you've been, where you're going?
Good question.
I’m a motorcyclist, what should I do when they accuse me of something that another motorcyclist did but they couldn’t stop them?
Well thank you for unofficial advice.
Unofficial advise, he a barrister, he knows more than the police bud so I would say it more official advice.
@@alvinbowen999
Hi Alvin, if you go 7.30 you find he said this not legal advice, he has to protect himself from the law as well. All cases are different and it is impossible for him to advise on all possible scenarios, this is why I had to say " unofficial " .
This was ment to be a little joke, not in any way an insult and I am sure he does know more than most coppers do about the law. This why I am a subscriber. ✌🕊
@@lesallison9047 thank you for added info I do miss things, it a curse of being hyperactive, but hey it also has its good points. ADHD both a curse and a blessing lmao.
@@alvinbowen999
Hi Alvin, yeah no problem I often have to watch things two or three times before I get the jist. Regards.
Reasonable grounds of suspicion: "I smell cannabis."
The presence of an odour is not reasonable grounds of suspicion.
@TeflonBilly so what if I smell weed does that mean Iv smoked weed? Especially when your out in the open air??
@TeflonBilly like you said it’s a low level of certainty and officers can’t use that as it’s too low. Unless the police have seen or have intelligence that drugs are being used the aroma is not reasonable grounds.
@TeflonBilly they use this as a reason to search you, your, passengers and the vehicle. They can't actually smell anything at all it's a common devious tactic used by police to get what they want. It's like when they use the terrorism act to stop people filming them in public. It's called abuse of powers.
@TeflonBilly the average cop lies so why would I ask them. Fact is police use the "I smell cannibis" ploy all the time when someone knows their rights and don't do whatever they are told to by the cop without question. Its used to search when they have no lawful right to do so.
I used to ride very fast motorbikes. They all had awesome brakes, but failed to stop on quite a few occasions. 🤣🤣🤣
Just as a matter of interest, are Traffic Officers vehicles now fitted with blue lights as well as the amber ones ?
Ask the officer to produce his warrant card. Police officer ‘in uniform’ includes cap or helmet.
Uniform is an official issued police uniform which includes uniform cap or helmet. Glad to explain it to you.
@TeflonBilly they must have a patch number though
@@davidk3729 nope, Blackstones says `Whether the constable (which includes an officer of any rank, including special constables) was in uniform at the time is a matter of fact for a court to determine in each case. What counts as uniform is unclear but, if the constable can be easily identified from his/her manner of dress as a police officer, the requirement has probably been met (Wallwork v Giles [1970] RTR 117; officer without helmet on held to be 'in uniform').
I did mention, ‘produce warrant card’.
Hi BBB. Would you consider doing a lesson on Malicious prosecution please. Ive read what I can on internet, but I'm sure its not that straight forward.
Please do this and possible a video explaining private prosecution, I'm going through a nasty separation where my ex has totally stopped myself from driect contact with my daughters and has used malicious complaints to the police to aid this, even though she has hidden exculpatory evidence, which has been shown to the police via solicitors, and lied repeatedly to the police aswell, just to be able to claim legal aid to fight my child arrangements order at no cost to herself via legal aid.
@@aa-kv2pq your going to go through hell. Take my advice, don’t react to her allegations. Don’t sign anything the police put in front of you. Don’t speak to police on phone, always insist on an email so it’s in writing. Get legal advise. If you have to talk to police, RECORD the conversation. Make notes on everything that goes on, dates, times. Don’t talk to your ex on the phone, let her leave a voice mail. If it’s threatening in any way, keep it. My ex took me to the cleaners, broke court orders, falsified bank accounts, closed my business, destroyed my possessions, Northamptonshire police would not help me.
A A I feel for you , whatever you do don’t loose your temper and try not to say anything , no matter what the other party says or does , I know it’s hard but your life can be ruined if you not careful .
Good luck 🤞
Steve sadly the police is not always there to help you , if you are a male they will be biased against you from the start . The hardest thing is to keep cool when people lie to your face and are trying to ruin your life .
@@madfrosty5228 agreed Mr Frosty, I learn the hard way. Now I can’t stop letting people know the police are worse than useless when it comes to these matters. They would not help, even when they found out my ex had lied in statements, stole my possessions, broke court orders! All they had to do was caution her over the phone. I’m now suing the police.
I really wish I had your knowledge.
Isn't it the case though that if you have the engine on you CANNOT use the mobile phone, which means you cannot reach for it to start filming the intervention? So what would be the correct procedure to be able to legally record whole incident?
When a police officer says to you " do you know why is topped you ", this is an attempt to get you to incriminate yourself. Say you do not know or, because i let you
I have been stopped many times as a pedestrian, bicyclists,motorcyclists, and as a car driver. Some good officers doing their job
Others looking for a quick conviction, some to satisfy their egos and some downright criminals.
My conclusion! Give as you receive and NEVER TRUST anything they say! SILENCE is YOUR BEST DEFENSE.
EVEN IF INNOCENT.
What are you doing to be stopped so many times? I have been stopped three times in the past 10 years, and all three of those were "Don't drink and drive" advisory stops with an optional breath test that I took voluntarily and passed each time. Twice near Xmas, and once on holiday at the seaside.
Driving while not quite white by any chance. Wouldn't surprise me at all, unfortunately.
Hi I have a very valid question on the whole right t9 travel on the public road using your own property ie your private automobile 🚗
Great channel 👏👍
Thank you I found this video very helpful, I qot pulled over a couple of years ago while on my motorbike they asked me to turn the engine off and dismount I turned the engine off and took the keys out of the ignition but i refused to dismount as I hadn't committed any offenses it was just a routine stop which they explained to me straight away I then told them that I'm autistic and they couldn't have been more friendly or helpful and I was on my with within five minutes just because I was polite and explained I'm autistic straight away
Plot twist, you didn't get off the bike because you were drunk and knew had you done so you would have fallen flat on your face.🤭😏
Can you do a UK compared to US most common myths video please? In regards to police powers.
there is a video somewhere of a guy filming MI6 building, and he states his right to do so by citing the 1st and 4th amendment of the constitution. Im still trying to work out if he was just trolling the cops or he was that dumb
@@mutleyeng probably that dumb lol
@@mutleyeng They do that to get a reaction from the authorities and film it ( or even also Live Stream it) but , usually they upload it on to You Tube, as the more of a reaction they get, the more subscribers, clicks, and more money they make .
If they manage to just stay within the law , and their rights are violated( by ill informed enforcers) , they can sometimes sue and ‘earn’ even more money .
It’s a job to some people it would appear.
What happens when they need to look in the boot, or in my case back of my van, when no offence has been committed?
They would only ask if they already suspected a crime. You could gamble They had no grounds before you refused. But if they already had grounds you are just giving them more grounds.
Does the same act apply to horse drawn vehicles, or as a ride of a horse? I noticed that the act states motor vehicles and cycles but no mention of horse drawn vehicles or horse riders.
Thanks.
I am 65 and have been pulled over from time to time in the UK and other countries as well. I would add the following to our knowledgeable friend's comments: be polite and cooperative; their job is difficult enough without having to deal with your ego.
This is a good example of one experience being stopped on a country road:
P: Good evening sir
Me: Good evening officer. How may I help you?
P: Is this your vehicle sir?
Me: I am actually not 100% sure. It can be in my name [giving full details] or in my company's name [giving more details]
P: Have you had any alcohol to drink this evening sir?
Me: Yes. I was playing my sport in XXX and afterwards I had one Guinness at [giving full details], which I just left and I am on my way home to [giving full details].
P: Where did you play your sport?
Me: At the [giving full details].
P: That's a terrible place sir. Mind how you go.
That was it. No breath test. The let me drive away without fuss. Every single time I have been stopped I do my best to be polite and cooperative and even in those cases where I have been a bit naughty and committed a traffic violation, they have let me off; there was one exception to that in 35 years of driving.
I presume that you are British so your experience doesn't apply to a huge amount of migrants being harassed by Poolice in UK.
Yes... I am British, but beware of assumptions, they make an ass out of you and umption (Long Kiss Goodnight). I am of mixed race, and I have had the same experience in almost every situation where I have been stopped by police. Moreover, I have had similar experiences related to me by friends (also block or of mixed race) who have been stopped in the US by American cops. Anecdotal evidence I know, but gives me pause for thought.
Citizen ego???Pig Ego is all encompassing...your rights mean zip, nada, zilch, NOTHING!!!
NEVER speak to the police. ALWAYS remain silent.
You're not listening are you?
You mentioned in the video a piece written by a solicitor who takes the police to court over wrongdoing. I can't find the link in the description. Is it missing?
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@@BlackBeltBarrister Thanks. Was an interesting read. Could you do a video on assault and battery and the law around these offences?
I was stopped on boxing day. I was driving a unmarked works vehicle. They stopped a few cars. The
officer said they where stopping cars at this time of year with drunk drivers. She asked for my licence i told her i never had it. She asked my name & DOB. The other officer took a photo of the registration & told me i was free to go. No breathe test.
Very informative. I had a similar stop once which was labelled a routine stop, to be fair the Police were stopping several cars on a specific stretch of road that evening and I'm sure they had reason to. What I was baffled by was that the Sargeant who stopped me (and I do mean Sargeant) said that I had to give my name, DOB and insurance information or else I'd be arrested. I wasn't convinced but since I had nothing to hide I gave them the info. and was on my way soon after. Is this accurate however? Can they arrest me for witholding such information when they don't have 'rasonable suspicion' that I've even committed a crime?
Depends on if you piss the Sergeant off or not. You wouldn't normally be arrested for not having the correct documentation but if you escalate the stop to (for example) a breach of the peace or threatening behavior you could well find yourself booking a night in the cells.
That's exactly the point of this video. Police can pull you over for any or literally no reason whatsoever. It would be legal under section 163.
They could be playing car snooker and even if they admit that in court, there would be no legal reason why they couldn't. It would still be a legal stop. They could even say "just because the driver is black", and it would still be a legal stop
As for name, DOB and insurance information, look at section 164 and 165. Again no requirement for any or literally no reason whatsoever.
@@hannahalice1000 that’s what I was getting at, I’m not sure about the whole business with being arrested if I didn’t give them my details. I assumed they could only do that when they suspected you of a crime. Which they didn’t since they said it was a routine stop and I was stopped with 2 other random drivers. I can’t imagine complying with the police by stopping my car when they ask me to stop would rub the Sargent the wrong way.
@@mal6232 I complied so not sure that would piss off the police.
@@HowdyJJE An offence is a crime if you can be punished for it by a criminal court, e.g. a magistrate's court. So if you don't provide your insurnance documents, you can be arrested for not doing so, but you cannot be punished for the offence if you provide your insurance documents at a police station within 7 days. That said, it is very, very unlikely that you will be arrested just for not having insurance. The police will only arrest you on this charge, if they think you have given them false information to try to convince them you are insured when you are not. Most motorists with insurance will appear on the database that the Police ANPR cameras have access to, and the Police will know if you are insured and if you are a named driver or the policy holder. If you took out insurance in the last 48-72 hours, you might not be on the database yet, but most people will have an email confirming that payment has been taken by their insurance company even if they have't yet received the policy via email, and this will be enough to avoid arrest.
"THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE... " Yes, the V5A 'log book' identifies the 'registered keeper' of the vehicle - but this is always qualified with the statement 'the registered keeper is not necessarily the legal owner'. How d'you determine the 'legal owner'? The person who 'owns' the car? Well, in my case, I'd consider 'my car' to be the joint property of myself and my wife. It was purchased with our joint assets. The fact that the car's sales invoice shows me as the purchaser surely doesn't mean that my other half has no legal claim on part ownership of the vehicle? Why am I asking this? For the husband/wife thing, it's common for one or other to be the vehicle insurance policyholder but with the spouse as a named driver. If I, as the policyholder, allow the insurance to lapse or otherwise fail, my wife, if stopped, could be prosecuted for failure to be insured AND the cops might attempt to prosecute me for 'abetting' her offence because I consented i.e. allowed her to drive uninsured (my other option being to claim that she took the car without consent). Yet, as the joint owner of the vehicle, surely my wife needs no 'consent' to drive her property - and I'm pretty damn sure most wives don't ask hubby's permission to borrow the family car every time they pop out to the shops. I'm asking this not because this problem has happened to me but because it's happened to others.
When you register your car you sign ownership of such car to the Government. Why they can impound them, sell them & crush them. Why your V5 document classes you as the registered keeper not owner. Join the common law court if I were you
Just because an asset was purchased from a shared account doesn't mean it's jointly owned. Family law has presumptions about certain things bought during marriage being jointly owned (it does here in Scotland, I presume England is the same). E.g. furniture is, pets aren't. Otherwise you could explicitly agree.
If you are given a Vehicle Defect Rectification form are you obliged to pay the garage just to sign and confirm the defect has since been rectified?
Good question. I imagine you could drive the car to any police station and get them to confirm - but I’m guessing.
Even simpler ; although I've never had it , but if it is a tail light out , I would just say I have a lamp kit in the boot and replace the blown lamp on the spot .
A pal of mine was stopped for a light being out on his motorbike and the cop was starting to get his notebook out when my pal asked if he was also going to write himself a ticket for the sidelight that was out on his police car . "Point taken" and my pal was sent on his way .
@@derekheeps1244 I carry a full bulb kit, these are often for sale in supermarkets at prices below the price of a single bulb in a car spares place.
If one shows their licence, why would the officer ask for d.o.b. when it is shown within the licence number?
I thought sect 163 only allowed the police to stop you. Questioning comes under a different sect ?
Slightly pointless distinction.
@@robertofulton I disagree. Section 163 is he reason that UK police don't need that very American "pretextual stop" because section 163 means they don't have to. And many times its obviously its not because you're driving, because the questioning goes well beyond any RTA type question"
"Where are you going" "What are you doing in this area", "Why are you over 100 miles from home" etc
In those cases it is very necessary to know what they can or cannot demand under those sections
Sections 163 - 165 purely relate to the police’s power to stop vehicles and require certain information / documents. However, whilst they have you stopped, they are entitled to ask general questions to you (eg where are you going) - just as you are entitled to decline to answer. However, under s.165, you are required to provide the owner of the vehicle’s name and address.
Rules surrounding questioning generally come into play where an officer suspects you of an offence and intends to ask you questions about that offence. In this instance, the officer must caution you (PACE code of practice E - 3.6).
@@geko7844 v5 is only identification of registered keeper, in UK you own Nothing as it can be taken from you legally, i,e blood, DNA, property, children, money, & your breath, & much more
@@qtube1980 I mentioned nothing of the V5 or any of the things you mentioned 🙃
If you are a young lad in an expensive car, or dark skinned, that is enough to pull you over, sad to say, and this has become the case today, which in my day could not be the case because all cars were basically the same, even with crank handles to start them.
I was pulled over for no reason many times and I am not of African origin , but I am not saying that that is not the case with you , some policeman I know are racist ( unofficially ) 😉
But then I know some non European people that are also racist ….
So basically I am trying not to generalise and give chance to everyone .
@@madfrosty5228 Right. Not every dark tanned person is going to get pulled over. Not every young girl or boy is going to get pulled over for driving an expensive car. What we are saying is what life tells us, that you are more likely to be pulled over in the United Kingdom if you are dark toned, or a young boy or girl driving an expensive car, than any other category, and it does not matter what nationality the officers are, it is just how it is.
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Genuine question, does this apply to someone driving a horse-drawn buggy? How about just riding a horse?
Wasn't this act brought out to allow the police to stop vehicles for emergency use, ie stop traffic to allow other emergency vehicles access through heavy traffic or dangerous/brunk driving? At least at crown court you have morality in the magistrate it feels Orwellian keep the "children" seen but not heard. Fishes me right off gurrrrrh. Love the channel nice to see ultimate help from you and other's like you...... Bless you sir👍👍💚
When pulled over, your priority is to get on your way asap, this means being polite ("yes officer" "No officer) without incriminating yourself. Do not give the Officer any reason to detain you any longer and certainly do not raise you voice or resort to name calling or saying things like haven't you got something better to do, this will merely antagonise them and at that point they'll start looking for something to arrest you for. Just swallow your pride and you'll be on your way.
Too bad alot of simpletons in society don't understand this
If a office approaches your car, are you allowed to remain silent? Because isn’t that our human right.
What I find so funny is how the police always say to give details under 163 when they mean 164/5.
Can I claim money back for lost time ? Especially when nothing is found as my time is money...
@@paulcollyer801 well that's a load of bollocks then...
No! in spite of your opinion of your time they will not convert it in to money for you, but you can claim for back time if you like.
There are civil legal procedures for claiming damages, though trying to sue the police for doing their job will make the courts laugh.
So a plain clothed officer can't pull you over, interesting 🤔
Officers in unmarked police cars will be in Uniform however. They will sometimes wear a hoodie to mask the appearance of their Uniform, but they'll be in Uniform. Plain clothes officers don't get involved martialling traffic, and the only time they would, would be if there was some emergency, natural disaster, or terrorist attack, and then you'd be a a-hole to not comply.
A question I have always wanted to ask is should you keep your insurance document MOT and driving licence in your car .
In the UK no - leaving all those documents together in a vehicle is not a safe thing to do. Most details can be verified online, straight away. If paper documents need to be checked you can arrange to produce them at a police station. The phrase "do you have your driving licence with you" is really a quick test to see if someone will lie about having a licence when their details have already been checked.
Take a photo of all your documents. While there is no specific law in the UK to carry them.The police will seize your car bike if you can not prove you have a licence or insurance. Most cops carry electronic devices so they can check certain things. But take photos. Regarding insurance, it has been known for insurance companies to cancel insurance, so despite having a paper copy actually may not help if their database says you are not insured.
For bike riders who don't have a full bike entitlement, they should carry their CBT at least a photo.
Does a driver of a powered wheelchair, (not mobility scooter) require a driving license and or insurance, if operating on a road? I know it’s not allowed on a motorway.