My schoolhas taught me python, linux, offensive security, network security,wireshark and Network security fundamentals. Thats just the associate degree. Ive learned sooo much more hands on , then a theory based certification
This guy is setting people up for failure. I have a Master in Cybersecurity and my curriculum was up to date and provided certs. Tech in general is becoming highly competitive and HR is just looking for reasons to trim candidates. Don’t let someone with a degree tell you not to get one lol
@@mitchellgriffin6380I’m not saying it’s necessary. What I’m saying is that the market is becoming increasingly more competitive and as the industry becomes more saturated the requirements to make a higher salary is starting to increase. I’m a Security Engineer as well and I’ve made well over $150k, and I can say that your degree enables way more negotiation power.
Get the degree. You will need it down the line when you are climbing the corporate ladder. You will not be a technologist behind a desk forever. These people are trying to "water down" the profession to make it easier for anyone to get in. You NEED EDUCATION, certifications should be an option or icing on top of the cake.
Skills and experience and certifications > traditional degree due to technologies advancing so quickly. I've been told this at my first job and now I am earning one rather than heading back to college for Masters.
Bruh I can’t stand yo channel and love it at the same time😂😂😂. I can’t stand it cause I swear every time I’m about to slack off because I feel like I’m ahead a video pop up. Great guest great podcast and then I’m like welp I guess that was my break😂😂. Thank you
Like all things, everything has its context. In the US, a degree is not a big deal if you have certifications and hands on. Outside of the US or coming from an impoverished community, a lack of a degree wont even allow you to get referred or an interview.
I don't have a degree, but in my journey being in help desk now being paid fairly well, since I'm getting experience, I feel like I can reserve working towards a degree when you actually make it.
Treat your journey more like an RPG. A degree isn’t a guarantee depending on several factors, but it does increase attributes that will help towards goals.
Just go to school. Notice the majority of RUclipsrs preach not needing a degree for tech, and they have one.🤣They just want to sell you false hope and use it so you buy a particular course.
Get the degree(s) if you want to go beyond Cyber Security techie position. You cyber courses that you take for your degree is not outdated, especially if it is a Masters program. My Masters program had up to date courses and some were taught by govt. and industry professionals at the time. I agree with what she said, it depends on the school and the program.
I have numerous degrees and certifications at all levels. You do not need a degree to get into Cybersecurity. Save money, time and energy and focus on skill building. University provides knowledge, not skills. Case in point. Just before finishing my second Master's degree in Cybersecurity, I disenrolled with having only to complete my Capstone course. The entire Cybersecurity program was outdated and useless (Theory only). I started my career in Cybersecurity and have not looked back. You learn by actually doing. Employers wants skills. They don't want to hold your hands for two years before you become productive and add value to the organization. I recommend getting into Cybersecurity first and having your employer pay for your four-year degree to round out your professional skills and prepare for management. The young lady made a great point. Get some experience first, then go back to a traditional school. All the technology concepts and terms will make better sense and you will get more out of your college experience.
College degree and certifications are add-ons sure you can do it solo but you are given more chances to move up faster with the additions of a degree and certs.
You're better off getting a computer science degree. Even though this is slowly changing, cybersecurity usually isn't going to be your first job out of college. A computer science degree can make you more qualified for a better entry level job(jr sys/net admin, software engineer, application support) then be able to transfer into a security engineer role after a couple years. If you do get an entry level cyber role with a cyber degree, it's going to be something very basic like going through phishing emails and running vuln scans, or you're going to just end up on the help desk making $20 bucks an hour with 100k worth of student debt. I'm going for a cyber masters but I've been in cyber for 3 years now and want to move up.
just get all since you get more experience and apple to apply more projects and you will be more highly qualified and able to get more more compare to ones that don’t
The CISSP is hyperbole. I'm mentoring a a guy right now with only with a high school diploma and working as access control specialist (front desk receptionist) if he gets his Sec+ a business owner federal contracting is ready to have him fill an IT position on a current contract.
Your school always matter but theirs trends where gov tech and private sector won’t look at your resume unless u have a cert. I’m noticing I have more education than the folks interviewing me but they have the experience and certs.
The problem here is this. You cannot generalize and the intro video does that. Every career path is different. Every journey must be acknowledged. The best path to cybersecurity is to find the right mentor.
In my opinion you do not need a degree to get right into cybersecurity it's more about the skills you have developed and are you able to apply it to the real world if you were to obtain a job most people get a degree but don't know how to apply what they have learned which is the biggest issue the employer does not care that you have a degree it just tells them that you went to school they care more about actual skill than just a piece of paper. You can have as many certifications and degrees in the world you still won't get hired unless you can prove that your the right person for the job and that you know what you are doing. 🤷♂
Its simple. Can you get a job without a degree? Yes..many have done it. And those ppl most likely got in b/c they already worked for the company or knew important ppl. Bet they didnt get it applying online! Go on Indeed, type in your target role and look at the requirements. 90% ask for some kind of tech degree. If you want to get thru the online HR filter, get one.
I disagree with dude, while living what he’s saying. I do believe no one should expect a college to teach them whatever, the thing is that the resources he listed are available to college students as well. College is great for some people at a certain point in life, it also enables a person to explore while they study, build a network, mess up a little and hide it if need be, a lot else. Other than that, to me it shows that even if the content is irrelevant, this person can brave bull shit which a huge part of corporate work and they have the ability to think on things that are outside their direct line of view. I always say go for the degree, just if you can without the debt
Context is everything and cats like the man in the video sounds like he's doing a setup to sell you something. At some point some need to have due diligence in what their getting into instead of believing everything they hear. I'm personally getting a degree currently because I chose to look past the right now. Yea you can gain the XP but make no mistake when you're competing, you need every tool and asset in your arsenal.
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My schoolhas taught me python, linux, offensive security, network security,wireshark and Network security fundamentals. Thats just the associate degree. Ive learned sooo much more hands on , then a theory based certification
What school?
This guy is setting people up for failure. I have a Master in Cybersecurity and my curriculum was up to date and provided certs. Tech in general is becoming highly competitive and HR is just looking for reasons to trim candidates. Don’t let someone with a degree tell you not to get one lol
Then let someone without a degree tell you. Don’t get it you don’t necessarily need it. I’m a cybersecurity engineer making over 150k no degree
Who is ??
@@mitchellgriffin6380I’m not saying it’s necessary. What I’m saying is that the market is becoming increasingly more competitive and as the industry becomes more saturated the requirements to make a higher salary is starting to increase. I’m a Security Engineer as well and I’ve made well over $150k, and I can say that your degree enables way more negotiation power.
@@TechTualChatter I’m talking about the guy who’s video you were reacting to.
Get the degree. You will need it down the line when you are climbing the corporate ladder. You will not be a technologist behind a desk forever. These people are trying to "water down" the profession to make it easier for anyone to get in. You NEED EDUCATION, certifications should be an option or icing on top of the cake.
Skills and experience and certifications > traditional degree due to technologies advancing so quickly. I've been told this at my first job and now I am earning one rather than heading back to college for Masters.
What would you suggest to a person who wants to enter the industry with no experience or education?
Bruh I can’t stand yo channel and love it at the same time😂😂😂. I can’t stand it cause I swear every time I’m about to slack off because I feel like I’m ahead a video pop up. Great guest great podcast and then I’m like welp I guess that was my break😂😂. Thank you
🤣🤣🤣🤣 real spill
Like all things, everything has its context. In the US, a degree is not a big deal if you have certifications and hands on. Outside of the US or coming from an impoverished community, a lack of a degree wont even allow you to get referred or an interview.
I don't have a degree, but in my journey being in help desk now being paid fairly well, since I'm getting experience, I feel like I can reserve working towards a degree when you actually make it.
Great video👍
Thank you
Treat your journey more like an RPG. A degree isn’t a guarantee depending on several factors, but it does increase attributes that will help towards goals.
Good analogy
Just go to school. Notice the majority of RUclipsrs preach not needing a degree for tech, and they have one.🤣They just want to sell you false hope and use it so you buy a particular course.
😅😅🤣🤣
Get the degree(s) if you want to go beyond Cyber Security techie position. You cyber courses that you take for your degree is not outdated, especially if it is a Masters program. My Masters program had up to date courses and some were taught by govt. and industry professionals at the time. I agree with what she said, it depends on the school and the program.
I have numerous degrees and certifications at all levels. You do not need a degree to get into Cybersecurity. Save money, time and energy and focus on skill building. University provides knowledge, not skills. Case in point. Just before finishing my second Master's degree in Cybersecurity, I disenrolled with having only to complete my Capstone course. The entire Cybersecurity program was outdated and useless (Theory only).
I started my career in Cybersecurity and have not looked back. You learn by actually doing. Employers wants skills. They don't want to hold your hands for two years before you become productive and add value to the organization. I recommend getting into Cybersecurity first and having your employer pay for your four-year degree to round out your professional skills and prepare for management. The young lady made a great point. Get some experience first, then go back to a traditional school. All the technology concepts and terms will make better sense and you will get more out of your college experience.
Yeah I remember seeing you very active on LinkedIn a couple of years ago
College degree and certifications are add-ons sure you can do it solo but you are given more chances to move up faster with the additions of a degree and certs.
Nice video. Thank you
You're better off getting a computer science degree. Even though this is slowly changing, cybersecurity usually isn't going to be your first job out of college. A computer science degree can make you more qualified for a better entry level job(jr sys/net admin, software engineer, application support) then be able to transfer into a security engineer role after a couple years. If you do get an entry level cyber role with a cyber degree, it's going to be something very basic like going through phishing emails and running vuln scans, or you're going to just end up on the help desk making $20 bucks an hour with 100k worth of student debt. I'm going for a cyber masters but I've been in cyber for 3 years now and want to move up.
just get all since you get more experience and apple to apply more projects and you will be more highly qualified and able to get more more compare to ones that don’t
I have one of the toughest certs CISSP. If you can get that off rip with no college then you saved a ton of time and money.
Lol like ppl with 0 experience can get endorsed to get cissp
The CISSP is hyperbole. I'm mentoring a a guy right now with only with a high school diploma and working as access control specialist (front desk receptionist) if he gets his Sec+ a business owner federal contracting is ready to have him fill an IT position on a current contract.
Wait I thought u have to have at least 5yrs of exp to get the CISSP🤔
So if a degree and or certs don’t work, how would you direct somebody for learning cyber security skills and finding a job
Look through my videos I’ve probably answered most of your questions
Your school always matter but theirs trends where gov tech and private sector won’t look at your resume unless u have a cert. I’m noticing I have more education than the folks interviewing me but they have the experience and certs.
The problem here is this. You cannot generalize and the intro video does that. Every career path is different. Every journey must be acknowledged. The best path to cybersecurity is to find the right mentor.
Naw the right path is “your path” everyone won’t have the luxury of getting a mentor
"Don't get a requirement that most jobs on the market look for, buy my course instead"
In my opinion you do not need a degree to get right into cybersecurity it's more about the skills you have developed and are you able to apply it to the real world if you were to obtain a job most people get a degree but don't know how to apply what they have learned which is the biggest issue the employer does not care that you have a degree it just tells them that you went to school they care more about actual skill than just a piece of paper. You can have as many certifications and degrees in the world you still won't get hired unless you can prove that your the right person for the job and that you know what you are doing. 🤷♂
Is a Sans bachelor degree in cyber security worth it?
If you don’t have to pay for it
All facts and it's not my dime
@@TechTualChatter just was curious if this a good degree with changing careers in the DC area
Its simple. Can you get a job without a degree? Yes..many have done it. And those ppl most likely got in b/c they already worked for the company or knew important ppl. Bet they didnt get it applying online! Go on Indeed, type in your target role and look at the requirements. 90% ask for some kind of tech degree. If you want to get thru the online HR filter, get one.
I only disagree with your second sentence because that’s an assertion that someone got the job because they already worked there 🤣
I disagree with dude, while living what he’s saying. I do believe no one should expect a college to teach them whatever, the thing is that the resources he listed are available to college students as well. College is great for some people at a certain point in life, it also enables a person to explore while they study, build a network, mess up a little and hide it if need be, a lot else. Other than that, to me it shows that even if the content is irrelevant, this person can brave bull shit which a huge part of corporate work and they have the ability to think on things that are outside their direct line of view. I always say go for the degree, just if you can without the debt
I agree with this 100%
Context is everything and cats like the man in the video sounds like he's doing a setup to sell you something. At some point some need to have due diligence in what their getting into instead of believing everything they hear. I'm personally getting a degree currently because I chose to look past the right now. Yea you can gain the XP but make no mistake when you're competing, you need every tool and asset in your arsenal.
This guy is the reason the market is flooded with unqualified people who are wondering why they can’t find a job
@@mikestems508 😅😅😅
In New Jersey, our governor who is a Democrat got rid of college degree requirements when applying for jobs.
If you can get in without college rock with it🤷♂️
That is not helping anybody looking for guidance
alot of employees at Google ,FB ,Meta n such do not have degrees lol....at least balance the figures objectively
Dude got his masters degree telling you not to get one lol. He trying to sell courses and his training programs.
I know this isn't appropriate, but Destini is downright gorgeous ❤ lol
So you can’t get into cyber security with a degree or with a degree or with Certs & degree lol. So how do you get into it 😂😂😂😂😂
There is no one way that’s the beauty of it