I wonder if this is a sign that we will get more "units upgrades" in the future. The odd thing is that they picked 2 already strong and reasonably popular units and made it better so i wouldn't be surprised if the next time they will upgrade imperial spear\pike.
While there might've been a few better choices for them to revamp, SS and especially MAA were more or less never used. SS was the "I don't have imp shields, ok if I use SS" unit. MAA were overshadowed by Tseregs and Confettis. I think it was the right choice to bring them up to speed.
I expect we shall end up seeing more unit upgrades in the future. I sort of agree with azmo, spear sgts used to be very dominant but have slipped a lot in recent season with all the new units + I do think the new guys look pretty cool :-D
i think it was because the MAA were too similar to squires and the spear sergs too similar to demesne spearmen. Perhaps we'll see an upgraded halberdier sergeant since it is just an uparmoured halberdier unit.
Eh... spear sergeants were popular... man at arms players was a group of people who only used them for the diversity of cover commander, charge, block, but azaps were the better choice... Now they are on azaps level.
Because they were flat out worse than other option prior. Conderreti guardsman are still one of the best bangs for your buck with low leadsership cost and can compete with any other swordsman in the game. Spear sargents were only used if your didn’t have imp shields. The only reason you would ever pick either is A: you like knights (me) B: you like cover commander (also me) If neither of those applied to you you could get away with much better units. They were not worth the purple slot. Now I would argue stalwarts easily fit in as an aggressive alternative to imp shield and the only reliable way to break a pike wall. Paladins on the other hands are, better than MAA but mostly just in a quality of life way. They are basically just a better MAA in all regards. They get shield bash at the start and the heal ability. From the end of their veteranancy lines as MAA, they are the Tankiest sword unit aside from reapers now. However sword units still aren’t very good, and paladins still suffer from the idiots AI that MAA had. I’ve seen multiple times where they take years to go from one target to the next, and it’s almost like watching a buffering bar in their head. My only real complaint is that neither unit has cover commander anymore, which in my opinion is both what made them unique and let you work around their idiot AI for some amazing plays. Having a goon squad of SS show up and surround an enemy hero and beat his ass was hilarious and cover commander would also allow you to skip your unit past gaps in shield walls to attack the rear.
Thank you very much for the video and the analysis, I was waiting for him to come out to choose the veterancy. You are one of the few youtubers that I have come across in this game that really justifies the reasons for doing or not doing something about units. And thanks to that I now have some javelin sergeants who have given me great moments of game.
Ok as the eternal contratian i'm obliged to say something good about the unit for once :) their charge seems great, i like that they don't run up to targets and swing their swords like so many other units do since it often allows the enemy to walk out of range of the hit. That and with the top line you can actually use it regularly enough to keep up with the moving frontline. Their V attack has them switch to their shield formation which is quite strong from the front, yeah they wander a bit and often turn around but still. It also seems to have a decently high rate of attack since i often see a lot of hits rack up quickly. One thing i do want to test/know is how the v attack fairs against pikes, their shields should protect them from the initial hit and moves them close enough to not get hit back. Another good thing is that with the paladins doctrine, a piercing damage doctrine, and breakthrough doctrine the high rate of attack almost makes them perform like mobile pikemen, again if they perform well against pikes their V attack can be used as a great filler tool to allow a push
They can be considered as a direct counter to pikes because they can block pike's range advantage while attacking and when fighting 1v1 they almost certainly win. But the loss of cover commander which has really good AI engagement abilities is quite the downgrade, they basically lost a big portion of their mobiilty.
Glad to hear you've been getting on well with them, certainly agree about the charge particarly about the not swinging but hitting through with their shield it does make the charge really nice!
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Top line feels amazing to me. Its like charge once and again and bttle prayer is like order them to attack with the bonus healing. And they actually destroy most melee units so far. Didnt found any reapers so far but they do awesome against most units; even braced stalwarts gets on trouble when paladins charge against them. Azaps can keep the line for a bit but they get destroyed eventually if no one charge in to help them out.
I figure out that paladins are best to use in f2 formation and not much using charge, only in when I know we wining or they will push over. So best its use f2 and make from theme wall. They go like spear formation and even imp advance doing almost nothing to theme in that formation. Dont let enemy get behind and make that f2 formation non penetrable.
If you X V these guys properly they kill units and heroes crazy fast. The heal also acts as a get up from stun locks. These are good for 100 unit kills and 3 heros kills per siege if you use them right. Charge > X V > use heal to shake off first stun lock. Rinse and repeat.
Evo, you should really look to using royalty free string, choral, or any music that better fits the setting of the beginning montage because I think the more modern sounds creates a little cognitive dissidence. However just my opinion and you do you, love the content as always.
Wow paladins are so cool. Edit: Thanks a lot I was a noob before now with you're vids I'm getting better at the game. Also that helmet looks so cool on them.
Thanks for the very informative video! I wonder to what extent they ARE mediocre versus just FEEL mediocre. You did get 120+ kills and lost only 1 of their units. That's pretty crazy for a melee unit. When you did start really losing them it was because you attacked a giant blob of enemies head on. Is there another unit that would have performed better in this exact scenario?
They certainly have their monents and perhaps I was a little harsh on them, I think its more the fact they don't have a super defined role like many units but youre sort of right what else would have done well in that scenario
@@EvoLozGaming I think you're right, it's hard to feel a unit is effective without defining a clear task this unit should be effective at. I suppose I'd take them if I am going for solo roaming, or fighting from supply point to supply point, much like you did. Their main competition (for me) would then be the old spear sergeants with their cover commander. In any case, thanks again for the great video. It was very informative and clearly provided a lot of food for thought :)
I know I am very Late, But I always find when I Get like a men at arms unit or Paladins charge at me in that Block, i can always use my flying reaper to just halt it. Then Use whatever unit I have to kill them with
Nice video, but could you try these guys with upper skill tree and more offensive doctrines? I see the potential in them as the flanking chargers that deal plenty of damage
I'll see if I can give them a try, I dont feel like you get much more extra damage as the top tree (other than charge cooldown) as its mostly about healing cooldown
Have you ever considered picking up Nodachi for your hero? You're the only RUclipsr I really watch for this game and between Pole Axe, Maul, and now Glaive the Nodachi is the only other weapon I'm interested in that you haven't played lol
The part that has stopped me trying things like nodatchi is armor type, got a pretty decent set of guardsmen now and it's a painful though playing without all my leadership bonus etc and having to craft a new medium armor set. I'm sure I'll end up doing it someday just not been very good at forcing myself to start crafting XD
when you liked my comment on the last video i saw the notification and instantly gone to youtube to check the new video and then i realized it was "only" a like :D
Haha XD Sorry it takes me so long to get these ones out, by the time I get them unlocked, levelled and recorded i'm always quite few days after the unit unlocks :)
@@EvoLozGaming hmm wel maybe it doesn't work properly for units but it does heal myself. But either way 5% isn't useful tbh, takes 20 minutes to heal 100% lmao
on that map i also go to that supply everytime ;) ... after some intensive testing of my house... the heal seem for friendly units seem to work.... in less then 25% of the time (longsword glitch?) but you are right... IF they fix that .... our house siege 5 man teams will surely be rolling 1 or 2 of them (with at least 4 in every 15 man) just to give that extra heal buff in big blob crashes where it all comes down to numbers (the more units that stay alive longer to deal damage ... the more likely you outlast the enemy :) ) our house cant wait to try it (IF it is fixed) ... in a 5 v 5 full tier 5 melee vs 5 paladins (rotating healing)
Have yet to watch the entire video, but from what I gather they aren't as popular as the stalwarts which were a flat improvement over the sergeants. The question remains if there is a good reason to stick to the men at arms over the paladins
The paladins could be very useful in tw when you're defending one if the bigger fiefs like ines with border fort beacuse the heal could keep units in the fight longer therefore you would last longer without having to suicide because all your troops are beat up. If I jeard correctly they have a 10second cool down heal which is insane. It might be only 5%, but the fact that you could heal something like shields like the stalwarts, it could heal quite a bit because the heal increases on the max hp of the healed unit. this might change a lot
i LOVE the paladins they are so tanky, and im not really a good player and even i am finding them durable and they have a really good charge, that aswell as there V attack blocking while stabbing. they feel great to me.
Well you presume that the stats u see modified in the unit card are really the stat the unit uses (that might be a big IF in this game :D) Theres unit dmg and piercing dmg doctrines which stack (in theory) so i dont see why paladin dmg doctrine wouldnt be intended to work with normal dmg doctrine. (Also might work better with them selling doctrines on Frontier version - or at least thats what i heard about that version)
Hey Evo, love your videos and got into this game because of your ads really! Just wondering if there is a house you know of that I can join for UK / ENG speaking players? I am on EU3 and level 100 :) Cheers Jordan
I'm currently a member of House Bloodoath but I think the house is pretty much full, as Heebie suggests joining the offical discord and look at the recruitment posts is probobly your best option :-)
Skill, supporting your units, outsmarting the enemy. You can also use a purple unit at the start of battle (especially on defense) and farm serfs and other crap units if you want kills badly.
haha not heard time2win before but that sounds about right, most of the stuff sold is cosmetic, everything else can be unlocked ingame by playing but there is a fiarly good grind to get to the higher tiers
If these arent one of your favoite units you aint using em right work on your X V micro. Seriously I get Golden era performance out of these guys more often than not.
I love these guys, I'm still using them 3 months after this vid. Flanked in a siege with them recently and wiped out 127 units in about 10 seconds.
7:37 I think Evo is my spirit animal
:-)
I wonder if this is a sign that we will get more "units upgrades" in the future.
The odd thing is that they picked 2 already strong and reasonably popular units and made it better so i wouldn't be surprised if the next time they will upgrade imperial spear\pike.
While there might've been a few better choices for them to revamp, SS and especially MAA were more or less never used. SS was the "I don't have imp shields, ok if I use SS" unit. MAA were overshadowed by Tseregs and Confettis. I think it was the right choice to bring them up to speed.
I expect we shall end up seeing more unit upgrades in the future. I sort of agree with azmo, spear sgts used to be very dominant but have slipped a lot in recent season with all the new units + I do think the new guys look pretty cool :-D
i think it was because the MAA were too similar to squires and the spear sergs too similar to demesne spearmen. Perhaps we'll see an upgraded halberdier sergeant since it is just an uparmoured halberdier unit.
Eh... spear sergeants were popular... man at arms players was a group of people who only used them for the diversity of cover commander, charge, block, but azaps were the better choice... Now they are on azaps level.
Because they were flat out worse than other option prior. Conderreti guardsman are still one of the best bangs for your buck with low leadsership cost and can compete with any other swordsman in the game. Spear sargents were only used if your didn’t have imp shields.
The only reason you would ever pick either is
A: you like knights (me)
B: you like cover commander (also me)
If neither of those applied to you you could get away with much better units. They were not worth the purple slot.
Now I would argue stalwarts easily fit in as an aggressive alternative to imp shield and the only reliable way to break a pike wall.
Paladins on the other hands are, better than MAA but mostly just in a quality of life way. They are basically just a better MAA in all regards. They get shield bash at the start and the heal ability. From the end of their veteranancy lines as MAA, they are the Tankiest sword unit aside from reapers now.
However sword units still aren’t very good, and paladins still suffer from the idiots AI that MAA had. I’ve seen multiple times where they take years to go from one target to the next, and it’s almost like watching a buffering bar in their head.
My only real complaint is that neither unit has cover commander anymore, which in my opinion is both what made them unique and let you work around their idiot AI for some amazing plays. Having a goon squad of SS show up and surround an enemy hero and beat his ass was hilarious and cover commander would also allow you to skip your unit past gaps in shield walls to attack the rear.
Thank you very much for the video and the analysis, I was waiting for him to come out to choose the veterancy.
You are one of the few youtubers that I have come across in this game that really justifies the reasons for doing or not doing something about units.
And thanks to that I now have some javelin sergeants who have given me great moments of game.
Ok as the eternal contratian i'm obliged to say something good about the unit for once :)
their charge seems great, i like that they don't run up to targets and swing their swords like so many other units do since it often allows the enemy to walk out of range of the hit. That and with the top line you can actually use it regularly enough to keep up with the moving frontline.
Their V attack has them switch to their shield formation which is quite strong from the front, yeah they wander a bit and often turn around but still. It also seems to have a decently high rate of attack since i often see a lot of hits rack up quickly. One thing i do want to test/know is how the v attack fairs against pikes, their shields should protect them from the initial hit and moves them close enough to not get hit back.
Another good thing is that with the paladins doctrine, a piercing damage doctrine, and breakthrough doctrine the high rate of attack almost makes them perform like mobile pikemen, again if they perform well against pikes their V attack can be used as a great filler tool to allow a push
They can be considered as a direct counter to pikes because they can block pike's range advantage while attacking and when fighting 1v1 they almost certainly win. But the loss of cover commander which has really good AI engagement abilities is quite the downgrade, they basically lost a big portion of their mobiilty.
Glad to hear you've been getting on well with them, certainly agree about the charge particarly about the not swinging but hitting through with their shield it does make the charge really nice!
i like them but i miss cobra commander so so much
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Top line feels amazing to me. Its like charge once and again and bttle prayer is like order them to attack with the bonus healing. And they actually destroy most melee units so far. Didnt found any reapers so far but they do awesome against most units; even braced stalwarts gets on trouble when paladins charge against them. Azaps can keep the line for a bit but they get destroyed eventually if no one charge in to help them out.
I figure out that paladins are best to use in f2 formation and not much using charge, only in when I know we wining or they will push over. So best its use f2 and make from theme wall. They go like spear formation and even imp advance doing almost nothing to theme in that formation. Dont let enemy get behind and make that f2 formation non penetrable.
I think the doctrine work as intented. They did the same for the pavise crossbows.
Ah nice good to know. In which case I shall enjoy all the piercing damage:-)
If you X V these guys properly they kill units and heroes crazy fast. The heal also acts as a get up from stun locks. These are good for 100 unit kills and 3 heros kills per siege if you use them right. Charge > X V > use heal to shake off first stun lock. Rinse and repeat.
This. Between paladins/stallwarts it’s a breeze getting MVP or at absolute worse top 5. I didn’t know about the recover from stun lock, that’s huge.
I didn’t know about this stun lock heal recovery thanks for the info!
Evo, you should really look to using royalty free string, choral, or any music that better fits the setting of the beginning montage because I think the more modern sounds creates a little cognitive dissidence. However just my opinion and you do you, love the content as always.
Wow paladins are so cool.
Edit: Thanks a lot I was a noob before now with you're vids I'm getting better at the game. Also that helmet looks so cool on them.
Glad you like them!
Thanks for the very informative video!
I wonder to what extent they ARE mediocre versus just FEEL mediocre. You did get 120+ kills and lost only 1 of their units. That's pretty crazy for a melee unit. When you did start really losing them it was because you attacked a giant blob of enemies head on. Is there another unit that would have performed better in this exact scenario?
They certainly have their monents and perhaps I was a little harsh on them, I think its more the fact they don't have a super defined role like many units but youre sort of right what else would have done well in that scenario
@@EvoLozGaming I think you're right, it's hard to feel a unit is effective without defining a clear task this unit should be effective at. I suppose I'd take them if I am going for solo roaming, or fighting from supply point to supply point, much like you did. Their main competition (for me) would then be the old spear sergeants with their cover commander. In any case, thanks again for the great video. It was very informative and clearly provided a lot of food for thought :)
I know I am very Late, But I always find when I Get like a men at arms unit or Paladins charge at me in that Block, i can always use my flying reaper to just halt it. Then Use whatever unit I have to kill them with
Yep if you can use your flying reaper to interupt then it works very well and does pretty much stop their charge completely
Nice video!
Greetings from Spain :)
Thank you very much!
Do you need to have the men at arms to can have the paladins
Nice video, but could you try these guys with upper skill tree and more offensive doctrines? I see the potential in them as the flanking chargers that deal plenty of damage
I'll see if I can give them a try, I dont feel like you get much more extra damage as the top tree (other than charge cooldown) as its mostly about healing cooldown
Have you ever considered picking up Nodachi for your hero? You're the only RUclipsr I really watch for this game and between Pole Axe, Maul, and now Glaive the Nodachi is the only other weapon I'm interested in that you haven't played lol
The part that has stopped me trying things like nodatchi is armor type, got a pretty decent set of guardsmen now and it's a painful though playing without all my leadership bonus etc and having to craft a new medium armor set. I'm sure I'll end up doing it someday just not been very good at forcing myself to start crafting XD
I love my paladins. Their charge has so much “weight” to it. Combo with perfectly timed musket nade, it’s NASTY.
when you liked my comment on the last video i saw the notification and instantly gone to youtube to check the new video and then i realized it was "only" a like :D
XD
I unlocked them a few days ago. But I didn't use them much cause I was waiting for your videos on how to use them😂
Haha XD Sorry it takes me so long to get these ones out, by the time I get them unlocked, levelled and recorded i'm always quite few days after the unit unlocks :)
I can't find anywhere if there's a replacement for the no stun in shield formation, really liked that ability
The heal not working is not a bug, it heals 5%max hp of units around it and 250 per second only for itself. That is working as how it is described
Yep but I wasn't really seeing that 5% Aoe healing working properly, maybe it's just very short range
@@EvoLozGaming hmm wel maybe it doesn't work properly for units but it does heal myself. But either way 5% isn't useful tbh, takes 20 minutes to heal 100% lmao
on that map i also go to that supply everytime ;) ... after some intensive testing of my house... the heal seem for friendly units seem to work.... in less then 25% of the time (longsword glitch?) but you are right... IF they fix that .... our house siege 5 man teams will surely be rolling 1 or 2 of them (with at least 4 in every 15 man) just to give that extra heal buff in big blob crashes where it all comes down to numbers (the more units that stay alive longer to deal damage ... the more likely you outlast the enemy :) ) our house cant wait to try it (IF it is fixed) ... in a 5 v 5 full tier 5 melee vs 5 paladins (rotating healing)
Yeah I agree, fingers crossed it gets fixed and works as intended soon :-)
Have yet to watch the entire video, but from what I gather they aren't as popular as the stalwarts which were a flat improvement over the sergeants. The question remains if there is a good reason to stick to the men at arms over the paladins
The paladins could be very useful in tw when you're defending one if the bigger fiefs like ines with border fort beacuse the heal could keep units in the fight longer therefore you would last longer without having to suicide because all your troops are beat up. If I jeard correctly they have a 10second cool down heal which is insane. It might be only 5%, but the fact that you could heal something like shields like the stalwarts, it could heal quite a bit because the heal increases on the max hp of the healed unit. this might change a lot
i LOVE the paladins they are so tanky, and im not really a good player and even i am finding them durable and they have a really good charge, that aswell as there V attack blocking while stabbing. they feel great to me.
Are the paladins worth the extra leadership over men at arms?
in short yes! very enjoyable unit, currently my favourite in the game
Have you done assassult troops walk through?
I want to ask something is Conqueror's Blade super grindy? I am pretty used to WOWT so is it more grindy that that?
They better used in F1 formations.
Amazing unit!!
nice video my dude !
I truly truly hate it that they ramoved the " protect the commander'stance after u upgrade them, goes for the stalwarts and paladins.
Well you presume that the stats u see modified in the unit card are really the stat the unit uses (that might be a big IF in this game :D)
Theres unit dmg and piercing dmg doctrines which stack (in theory) so i dont see why paladin dmg doctrine wouldnt be intended to work with normal dmg doctrine. (Also might work better with them selling doctrines on Frontier version - or at least thats what i heard about that version)
thats true, it was only because they were both piercing doctines I didn't think they were suppose to stack but seems to work fine anyway :-)
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Did he just say
Nanii?
Interesante y educativo + awesome gameplay as always. Saludos desde Chile 🇨🇱. Greetings from chile
Thanks dude :-)
how do you know if they use their shield or not when charging? where is the basis for this information.
A lot of core information in this game is missing or hidden so a lot of it is deduced
If I add attributes in unit tree for man at arms, and I upgrade them to paladin, are they still get the attributes?
Can i ask the viking season over can i go do the paladin mission?
yes you can go back to the older seasons at any point. Press F5, unit challenges, then the little icon in top left
is the heal fixed? do they block while charging now?
great video mate.
Thanks 👍
how to upgrade? i need only to unlock paladins and done? man at arms becomes paladins? or what?
Does improvements on tech tree of men at arms effect them?
yes the unit tree upgrades do affect them
@@EvoLozGaming do you have to fully upgrade the unit tree before upgrading man at arms, or you can go back later?
Hey Evo, love your videos and got into this game because of your ads really!
Just wondering if there is a house you know of that I can join for UK / ENG speaking players? I am on EU3 and level 100 :)
Cheers
Jordan
best to ask on the discord, or reddit, or ingame with a world chat trumpet :)
I'm currently a member of House Bloodoath but I think the house is pretty much full, as Heebie suggests joining the offical discord and look at the recruitment posts is probobly your best option :-)
Hey ik it’s a little off topic but what is ur pc specs?
I'm running a GTX 180ti, 16gb Ram, 7th gen I7
@@EvoLozGaming what fps do u get in game at 1080p?
How do you get so many unit kills?? Lol youre killin it man!
Skill, supporting your units, outsmarting the enemy.
You can also use a purple unit at the start of battle (especially on defense) and farm serfs and other crap units if you want kills badly.
Just been playing this game for far to long XD
@@somewont9619 or take pike militia if you are in deffence, you can also easily get 60 kills with those guys
in siege battles on attack if you get a nice treb off...
What is tha tarmor youre wearing? And why does the game run so smoothly on your side? I got a 2070SUper and in a fight at most 40fps.
I've got a 1660 and it runs smooth 60FPS high settings. Something wrong for you but I don't know what. PC's -_-
cuz its about your processor, ram andhard disk aswell
How can i unlock them?
Can’t get games like these at lvl110 everyone is to scared to push
It can be tough unfortunately when everyone decides to just hold back, very frustrating sometimes
It’s seasonal?
Can you have bouth in your party man at arms and paladins?
Good question, I haven't tried myself but I think so yes
@@EvoLozGaming nope you cant :)
just like you cant take spear sergeants when you take stalwarts
What does that helmet above your health bar mean?
It's the mercanry unit icon, represents +10% unit exp, bronze etc
Thanks, I appreciate your answer. :)
9.804th!
Can u guys tell me your opinion about conquerors blade is it P2w(pay to win) or more likely free2play or time2win Evo Lol what u think?
haha not heard time2win before but that sounds about right, most of the stuff sold is cosmetic, everything else can be unlocked ingame by playing but there is a fiarly good grind to get to the higher tiers
not p2w at all, would recommend! there is nothing like this game!
@@dirkudo1075 Tiger Knight
If these arent one of your favoite units you aint using em right work on your X V micro. Seriously I get Golden era performance out of these guys more often than not.
X V ? What that will do? I using f2 formation and when they are in V they get that pretty shield attacks
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