Conqueror's Blade - Men At Arms - A Solid Sword Unit!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- So we are back with some more Conqueror's Blade as we take a detailed look at the Men At Arms, they make for a really interesting unit with some very unique characterisitic. I was pleased to try out both veterancy lines, I think for me going through the top line worked well for the extra damage but equally I think the bottom line with the self heal is also very viable!
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Took quite a while to level these guys! Hopefully you enjoy the video :)
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@Milan Knoeps Totally the same!
are you the person from the Conqueror's Blade advertisement?
When you did a video on them before i noticed you gave them paladin lookin skin. How do you do that? I have been lookin around in the game for that but I havent found one. Know where I can find it?
I feel that the main issue with going top against bot is that basically every other sword and shield unit in the game is already an offensive charger.
For 2* we have the ironcap swordsmen, for 3* we have the condottieri and for 4* we have the new season unit.
Considering how commons these units are i think it's weird for someone to think "i want another offensive unit"
With the bottom tree they have their own unique niche as sword and shield unit that can charge or be a shield wall for range unit, basically a more versatile version of the imperial spears.
It's a fair point and certainly has an element of truth, although I'd say equally it could be argued all the most sucessful sword units in the game at the moment are offensive chargers so may thats just the Meta that works? Having said that I think bottom line is equally fully viable and still works well :)
Actually agree with you. bottom line Man at arms maxlvl 20 are so tanky, i also choose the last 3 points on veterancy on mid (3x40 Block) already seeing the diference with that, and im researching his tech tree, +25% block then going full upgrade will get them op :)
Also with bottom you can work better as a team, wait a little with pikes and will be impenetrable!
I understand the point of Evo, might be just a way of playing, mine is this! Btw good vid
So would having both men at arms and imperial spears in the same "team" not be a very good decision
Evo Loz Gaming complex analysis and thought in game. While my in game thought: "Fuck it, let's see what happens!"
I need to work on that! :D
As a ranged player, the extra survivability on the bottom line lets me manage them much easier from a distance. With Condos and Azaps, if I look away for a second they've gotten themselves slaughtered in most situations, whereas with Men at Arms I can turn my back, find a better shooting spot, focus on some archers etc and they'll still be trucking it.
ive had MMA for a while and i much prefer the tanky line, mainly because theres allready a lot of offensive sword units, and they still do good dmg in the defensive line and they make a good body guard unit. imho
I like the bottom tree of MAA. They're very useful in Siege Battle as they last longer and can do quite a decent damage. They're also fast even though they're heavy armor but if you got in a sandwich between 2 units in the supply point when the supply point is yours, they can last even longer with the healing ability so they can stay alive for a while and come up on top winning from that sandwich which the top tree might not able to do in that situation. I like damage but I'm more like a defensive guy having a tanky unit that can do damage and last long in a bad situation like them. They're really great if you use them to the best of their ability and Leadership. They made me won more game than before by around 60+ percent when I got them. Without them, I would've stay around 40 to 50% win rate as they match my play style
Another awesome vid.
Do u think they are worth leveling, since we have condos and azaps and tseregs and stuff as damage dealers, and for defensive maybe palace guard are the same in how they play but why not just pick spear sergeants at that point id say. What do u think
Thank for the vid hope you do about new upgrade to expedition knight too.
Glad you enjoyed it and yea will certainly be looking at the new units :-D
now that i play poleaxe..... i miss these guys ... (i had em maxed out in the past, but had to disband them to make room ;( ... were back then less effective when i played longbow )
Well the main reason they are being used again is that they received a pretty huge buff at the start of the season.
I'm pretty sure they were THE most buffed unit.
Yeah they did used to be quite a lot worse back in the day so can't blame you for disbanding them!
@Milan Knoeps then i first need to get them again ;).... but then again ... they look more effective then equally costing azaps.. so who knows i might disband azaps
@Milan Knoeps honestly dont like any of those units ... if you compare them to all single seaon 3 units ... martels -> better version of peon units... condies -> by far the best sword unit for fast delivered damage ... fortes ... pikes you hate to see arround a corner ... falcos ... who doesnt fear the sound of the incoming cannonballs... pavise... well ... no need to tell anyone why they are good.. even after nerf. and now think about the mediocre units from seaon 4 .... hmmmm which of those would you bring to a battle? (hated eason 4 becasue so many unlock quests were about bringing them to battles to unlock more)
They have pretty solid upgrades in the unit tree
I have a question. Hopefully you can do a video in the future for this. In the UNIT TREE, you can use honour to level up some of the units, like for eg, each level increases piercing damage by 2%. So should that level upping happen when that Unit is fresh at Level 1 or when its maxed out? Does it make a difference?
I'm pretty sure it's 2% increase on base piercing defense so it'll be the same value of increase if level 1 or max
@@EvoLozGaming Ah thanks for the info!
I think they were villager watchmen, I think they keep their spear higher than pike militia
8:27 Those are Village Watchmen. You can tell from their inferior pikes.
Yea...... Going bottom line but playing them offensively isn't the best move. Good thing you changed to top line though, too line fits your playstyle more. I have bottom and I use them mostly in shield formation which is where bottom tree shines
I was going for the bottom line 😭😭😭
defense means nothing in this game one hero can take out any unit solo
If you dont protect your unit.
Fantastic video my friend! Made me actually wanna level my MAA now that top line looks YEETY XD cant wait to max them myself! Think I got them around level 12ish or something hope your well brother! :D
Thanks dude :) haha yeah they are quite a fun unit, the top line seems to make them quite fun and aggressive! Although looks like a possible rework upcoming in season 5
Hi banana!.. 😆.. ya..you should level up your MAA, as we can see in next season trailer MAA & spear sgt will get updated, (and spear sgt can do charge), please make a video about them later!
@@EvoLozGaming yeah should be fun to see the old unit changes and is nice to see they are taking our feedback about giving them some love into consideration! 😁
@@janitraclan5643 hehe oh I will be leveling these guys now I assure you! Super excited for Season 5!!! :D
These types of units is why i hate the unit training plan system we have. Two viable veterancy lines and rather than letting you try out both and decide which you like you have to dedicate yourself immediately or be willing to spend sovereigns unless you want to start leveling a unit over again (a process that can take a few weeks)
Yeah the unit training plans are a real pain, thankfully so far i've had some left over but Guess in future i'll just have to stump up the cash, at least then people get an idea of what each veterancy line is like before they head down. (a good soloution might be to add them to smuggler or seasonal store)
Evo Loz Gaming Yes please if they add them in the seasonal store I would be on them right away, I have some imperial pikes that I’m leveling up to top but my liege told me the bottom one is better since you can use them more and more rather than once which I’m seeing as an issue because if I have to use them for one push I rather use them for more and I don’t want to re level them up since there already at 9 but later I will, anyway awesome video Evo hope your doing well
My only exposure to this game so far has been the RUclipsrs taking paid promotions to play the game... Its refreshing to see the game from the perspective of a player, especially a player that has good gameplay..
The Regeneration line is handy if you're not a Tank with the Heal. You want a nice long swinger like Gaive, or Nodachi with that, so you have some reach outside of their arc formations. You don't gain much by stacking the same unit on the same hero in this case, as long as you're not taking heavy casualties, that's enough defense/healing. You still need a solid offense.
I've been using these guys for the past couple weeks in my siege group. I find they really do help me score higher in siege due to them being able to take quite a bit of damage and dish out a bit as well.
Yeah they have a good combination of tank and damage, makes for a decent unit :)
what i really really like about them is their formation. having them stacked up like the imperial javelineers just feels kinda safe :)
And then the enemy builds a cannon
@@shadowfightyt7602 lol
I’m working my way in the unit tree towards the MaA, and I have absolutely no idea what I’ll be spending my veterancy points on. In my opinion, spear guards are better defenders so I should maybe use the MaA as offensive, but on the other hand that healing ability and shield wall can be great to have a hybrid unit to attack and defend at the same time. And of course their appearance looks way cooler on the defensive tree ;) but I’m still struggling to make a decision
go defense line and use damage and piercing doctrines.
are you the person from the Conqueror's Blade advertisement?
Unfortunately so XD
Would you recommend sticking to the selfhealth as a Longsword player? Im thinking the stacking effect of 2 heals might make such a big difference for them(?) Im yet to unluck them.
Yeah most longswords would be running the self heal so yeah i'd stick with that. Also remember the upgraded men at arms the Paladins are a real improvement!
@@EvoLozGaming Great, what I thought. Ya, im not spending points on unlocking Men at arms as im on my way to paladins through unit-challenge :)
I don't have my Men At Arms at max level yet, however I boast a near 70% win rate with them with a max units killed in a single battle of 234.
I am taking them down the bottom tree.
My original opinion of this unit was VERY low - I was very mad that I purchased them on the way to Monastics and wished that I had picked up the Squires instead, however after sticking with them and learning a strong strategy with them I have had much success.
First - Their damage is based on their stance: Slashing for Loose formation, Piercing for Block, Shield, and Cover Commander.
Second - Cover Commander is the most important ability for this unit (possibly in the game) as it allows something that no other Sword/Shield unit can do: Unit Stacking. What this means is, if you have your units attack area, they naturally spread out to do their work, meaning only a couple of infantry at a time can have surface area on a target at a given time. This is true even if you charge in, as the units will first stack to hit during the charge, then spread out. Cover Commander allows your units to break that rule and cluster - which is very bad when you are facing AOE, but VERY GOOD for DPS.
Third - Shield stance keeps your MAA alive by preventing them from running off into their deaths (but watch out for AOE, of course).
I main Maul, but this is also true for Halberd: If you hit someone with your ult, activating Cover Commander will instantly have your MAA dive in and all stab them - which is why I run mine with the Assassination Doctrine. Additionally, if you do a charge from shield stance, you can line your MAA up perpendicularly to the target, getting even more overlap with the charge (making the damage more focused), AND most importantly: After your MAA charge in, the moment they have dumped their damage activate Cover Commander - and they will maintain their cluster and DPS focus.
Personally I have had far greater success with the MAA over any other sword/shield infantry in the game, including the Azaps just because of the level of precision that they allow.
an underused unit imo, even after the shadow nerf. I give them my approval.
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Nice video man! Glad you took my advice with the vet tree. I also run glaive and keep mine in the offensive vet tree style. Seems they help a lot with the Glaives ability to do dmg to multiple units. But with their amount of HP you really can't go to wrong with them no matter what!
So reviews tell me that the spyware is fucked for this game.....
downloaders..... is this true.
Not even close to be solid...a 4 stars and a HALF (should be almost a ironreaper in tankiness and dmg) losing so much against a 3 stars unit in front-to-front combat...this game lacks balance in everything.
nice! been waiting for this vid i love this unit
Thanks dude, glad you enjoyed it :)
they getting rework next season
Really? Not seen anything on that yet, if so i'll have to take another look at them next season :)
@@EvoLozGaming ruclips.net/video/iJBhWnyT0SY/видео.html&feature=emb_logo Look at their new skin. Try Hard's comment would make sense.
@@EvoLozGaming he means they're reverting their shadow nerf and pretending like they did something and tossing on a modified gfx of existing assets.
only skin or abilitys?
I think their buffing the spear seargents also i never scene the advance for them actually do damage.
Do you think offensive men at arms better than perfecture guard?..i need a "bodyguard" sword unit, i can't decide which one i should take between those two
I think its more different than better or worse. These guys are certainly tankier than prefecture but without the drill move they do less damage so sort of a trade off to what you want
i like men at arem they are my favourite unit but i don't like evo's docrines :0
i alway play the top line and yup they can kill anything very trong with follow comand skill
i figure go defense and use the Condos as the glass cannons. Just my opinion.
if you have amen at arms vs palace gaurds video...i cant find it
I love this kind of CB videos 👍
Thanks dude :)
@Evo Loz Gaming Great video as always!! do you know how the block stat works? would it worth it to stack block since this unit can attack while blocking?
I do use an extra block doctrine on mine :)
Does elite men at arms get shield formatikn
I actualy consider that healing "huge ammounts", yes. My men-at-arms have ~9400 health; the healing is 250 per second for 15 seconds(which means 3750 healing). That is close to 40% of health healed. Love them! ^^
What line should I go top or bottom?
Hi there. Im very new to this game. Only 26+ hours. Your videos have been a massive help. Very informative indeed. Your gameplay and content is brilliant. Keep up the great/hard work. New sub from me :)
Still using full STR for glaive or did you switch back?
I've switch to 50/50 split between strength and armor 😄
I think the men at arms are more defensive
Great vid mr loz :) great choice to do both lines :)
Will you do spihahi preview?
Thanks and i'd like to, currently still grinding siladars so not sure if i'll get to sipiahai before s5 starts
@@EvoLozGaming alright :/ i have quite the opposite :)))) wont finish silahadars and will get spihahi :D
Expedition knight exist*
Men at arm : who are you?
Expedition knight : i am you, but with boxes helmet also stronger and can heal our self and allies
you don't know how to use them :(
paladins are just much better unfortunately
yea but i don't know how to grind
You ll nead to recored this again next season hahahah
You think thats a rework and not just a unit skin? I mean certainly could be a rework
Evo Loz Gaming for what we saw in video spear sargents are 100% rework and ther are men at arms in video too fightin azaps i think they will get some kind of buff. Would like that i like mele units as men at arms or tseregs silahdars reapers
Hey Evo, i can tell you 100% next season u get season quests for spear sergeants and maa, after you complete them you can promote your maa and ss , they will still have their lvl, and get 2 new veteran lines
a belter pre level 100, one to go for once you have tier 4 shields, at least the vanguard, fire or namkhan archers, some tier 3 or 4 muskets and some basic tier 3 or 4 cav
Hah, that Longsword @ 7:30 is me! My Buddy Thavis there also uses Men at Arms. He likes them and i mock him for that all the time.
why is no one talking about how he started on the roof how did you get there?
You can sort of hop from roof top to rooftop to get up there
Love your videos! Did you forget about Sipahis? I thought you'd make a video about them as well :D
Hey Evo how do you find the best way to level units is ??
Personlly I tend to just run sieges, expeditions 3 is slightly more exp effecient but quite boring for me :)
Did u see the latest season trailer from booming? Looks like it has a rework/upgrade for maa's and spear sgts
Best game ever
@ Evo Loz Gaming Hmm... Would you prefer prefecter guards or men at arms?
prefecture guards, men at arms are pretty poor at the moment
@@EvoLozGaming I leveled men at arms to elite. And im workin on prefecters now. And i have noticed the MaA go down as quckly as prefectures if not faster. But the prefectures get more done. In my experience so far anyway.
They're nice until i come in with condos/prefectures and maul.
lol well possibily but that can be true for lots of units
Anything is nice until someone comes in with a maul..... Maul basically has one button that can wipe out any hero ingame with one click, and two buttons that each wipe out any unit ingame in one click. Only way to beat a maul is to come in with something like serfs or demense troops, let him click his button and kill all your men and your hero in one click, then hope the guy behind you takes advantage that the maul is on cooldown and charge him with something like condos....
@@Debbiebabe69 You funny, cuz meanwhile you find a shortsword, you can just fall, and fall, and dont do any click :p
Im doing that sane veterancy line, but they're still lvl 11 xD
Untill they get reworked, between bottom and top veterancy, I'm probably leave them in the barracks and take out Azaps on their stead. xD Good video Evo! Appreciate your effort on leveling them up :D
Yeah im curious now as to what this 'rework' might be like, after initially watching the video I had assumed they were going to be just skins but it does possibily seem like a rework which is interesting
@@EvoLozGaming well now we know, i would reccomend
@@waughy9103 what did they change?
@@Kublaioi they made a promoted unit called the paladins, so its a better version of the men at arms, the paladins are so powerful
@@waughy9103 should I unlock the paladins first or get the men at arms
i like how you did the video about bottom and top line. its nice to see different options.
For many units there is often quite a clear choice but with two viable lines here and from feedback on previous videos thought it was worth the extra time to try both :)
@@EvoLozGaming it was a great choice in doing so. ty for the quality videos man!
im not a huge fan of the men at arms, i will see when they max out though
Men at Arm with Bottom-line training is also good too
Great video can't wait till you hop on twitch again 😀
Deng Whats your fav troops?
Probably tesregs at the moment :)
@@EvoLozGaming Can tesregs break through new spear sergeant's bracing shield wall?
how do you change the unit veterency?
For me one off the best units in game :)
are they better than squires?
Yes, they are unlocked after squires in unit tree.
Squires are rare
Men at Arms are epic
Fireee
:)
My Mans! Love these Mans!
Also fashion is a big factor!
They certainly look the part :D
Comparing them to azaps you have to remember MAAs are a LOT easier to obtain than azaps... iirc I unlocked them in my second week of playing, still on stage 1 of azaps, and getting azaps is going to become a LOT harder when season 4 ends and you cannot obtain them without being able to play in the timed events (free battles, death matches, TWs), just like fortebraccios are pretty much impossible to get now.
This is a good point, yes azaps are much much harder for new players to unlock!