10:51 Mark! That dead crewman's thick vest, is the kind worn by crewmen aboard aircraft carriers, and you can see them in action on flight decks. But inside a Starship? The shuttle bay's flight deck is very short and they have never depicted crews working on one during launches and recoveries. So the speculation is that he's a member of "Damage Control" because the Firefighters wear complete suits that cover them from head to toe that are the same style as their Haz-Mat suits and space suits. 🤔
10:29 Mark! Heh! This is the first time that it has occured to me, that Uhura, as the CCO, would make it so that petite women such as herself, wouldn't need to reach so high just to use an intercom! 😮😅
The Man Trap was the first episode shown on TV. The Cage, which was the unsold pilot, wasn’t broadcast during the three years the show was aired. The Cage took place 11 years previous. You’ll see portions of The Cage within a future episode(s.)
09:49 Mark! People have asked why she and Janice aren't roommates. Sure, Captains rate their own personal quarters. But they are used to the other officers sharing a cabin, while the enlisted have a bunk or a hammock in or near their workspaces. But this isn't a naval submarine. 😉 Or a naval destroyer, et cetera, et al. It also isn't the 20th Century!
Since you mentioned Uhura. She was going to quit after the first season, but she got a call from Dr. Martin Luther King. He encouraged her to stay on the show because at that time in history she had a pretty major role as a black woman plus an officer so she decided to stay with the part. She told the story many times.
This is just my theory so I don’t know how accurate it might be or not. I think that the main reason why the pilot episode with Captain Pick was not purchased by any of the networks was because back then they were unwilling to have a television show that featured a woman as a first officer and therefore a female who had a higher position on the ship to every other male except for the captain. I know that the actress who played the first officer Majel Barret (sorry if I spelled her name wrong) married Gene Rodenberry and played Nurse Chapman in the original Star Trek series. She would return for The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine where she would play the part of Luxanna Troi the mother of the ship’s counselor Deanna Troi. She also provided the voice of the computer on some of the shows although I don’t remember which series she was the computer’s voice other than The Next Generation.
The female first officer was part of the reason the networks didn't take a chance on the pilot, yeah. Another reason was that some people thought Mr. Spock looked Satanic due to his ears. Both silly reasons today.
When the studio rejected the original pilot and asked for another they also insisted on an entirely new set of characters. Roddenberry managed to fight for Spock to stay, and they very reluctantly allowed it, but everyone else had to go. There's been stories written to fill in the gaps between Pike and Kirk's time as captain, and the episode, "The Menagerie" gives some explanation, as well as using most of the footage from "The Cage." (The studio wasn't going to spend all that money to make that show and then never use it).
When Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek one of the things he was most adamant about was it not becoming a "different monster every week" show. That said, he allowed a few. The series ended up with Kirk (Shatner) instead of Pike (Jeffrey Hunter) because Hunter's wife/manager was just too much of a PITA to deal with. She was reportedly just a constant stream of ridiculous demands and hassles. Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) had actually planned to quit the show in the first season point but MLK himself told her that serving as a role model on TV as she'd been doing was the most important thing she could possibly do for the civil rights movement.
6:45 "Oh my god. She is _gorgeous!"_ Nichelle Nichols has found her way into _many_ fantasy files over the years and you've _especially_ got to appreciate the way the uniform shows off her legs.
It's curious that this creature should become a threat because it runs out of _salt._ I mean, it's curious that the _Enterprise_ could not simply _replicate_ some good old sodium chloride for it; all the salt it needs. In _TNG,_ they're referred to as replicators, and the effects for them are better, but _TOS_ has food slots and it's the same technology. The idea is to convert energy to matter in the form of food, and sodium chloride is _not_ a complex compound to _make._
Update. More Star trek info. Majel Barrett who played Number one in the original pilot and then nurse Christine Chapel in the original series, also played Lwaxana Troi in Star trek the next generation. She was also the voice of the onboard computer throughout the entire star Trek series. She was Gene Roddenberry's wife. Here's another tidbit for you, before Gene Roddenberry married Majel Barrett his main squeeze was Nichelle Nichols who played Uhura. They dated for several years before Roddenberry fell in love with Majel Barrett.
Basically, the Pike era has ended and we are in the Kirk era quite a few yrs later. The ship, technology and uniforms have changed a bit in that time. This is the direction that was taken since Jeffrey Hunter was unavailable. Works for me! Pike seemed rather short tempered and harsh at times. " Down to business" seemed to be his only vibe. Kirk, while "down to business" in his own right seemed more personable. Approachable.
19:04 Mark! 864 Views + Mine! 😎 Thumb Up #95! 🖖 You're welcome, and thanks! 😊 Notes: Hmm. George & "Sulu" are both Japanese-Americans, but as he was the token Asian aboard, classmates insisted that I must relate to him the most, as representation. Meh. I related to Kirk because I love blondes, but I also related to Spock, because Southerner McCoy was always teasing him just as I was harrassed about my mixed race biology though until I got my Chickasaw Nation Number, people thought I was mostly Asian despite what my father looked like! 😮
The cage was the first pilot that was rejected by the networks. When they made the second pilot called Where No Man Has Gone Before, Jeffrey Hunter who played Captain Pike was not available for the second pilot. He was a movie star and his wife regarded television to be 2nd class compared to the Big Screen. The only two actors who survived from the 1st pilot were Mr Spock and Number one, who then became doctor McCoy's nurse. As far as the production order, I believe Charley X was made before the Man Trap but the Man Trap played first. Then they aired the second pilot and from there on out they played in the order they were made. Hope this helps 😊
Somebody probably mentioned this, but this occurs 13 years after The Cage. Pike would be Fleet Captain by now. But The Cage was a failed pilot that never aired. So the new pilot had Kirk in it starting over.
If you are looking for great Sci-Fi series to react to, I'd like to recommend Farscape (1999-2003). Jim Henson Studios designed a myriad of alien beings as integral characters in the show, and the humanoid alien species are creative, varied and bring their own cultural elements into the universe-building.
One of the things about TOS that bears discussion are the female costumes. As you saw in the "The Cage," female uniforms were a tunic and pants, which makes a hell of a lot more sense as a practical uniform. You could certainly make a case for a uniform skirt or dress, but _that short_ ?? There are two things at play: the Women's Liberation movement and Roddenberry's sexism. The former is the more important. If you read my missive on your "Mudd's Women" reaction, I touched on the Women's Liberation movement that was just starting. Part of it had to do with women's fashions. Since the 1950s, hemlines had been getting higher and women's underwear less restrictive. It was still common for women to wear a variant of the bullet bra, a girdle, a garter belt and stockings. If you want to get an idea of what I mean, Google "Triumph Doreen". It was an off-the-shelf bra in 1966. Every woman on _Star Trek_ wore one as a matter of course. And before you get to thinking I'm a creep, I know this because a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I was once an actor. I once did summer stock at a theater whose costumer was a stickler for detail. There are never enough hands at a non-union summer stock theater. When actors aren't rehearsing or performing, they're given backstage jobs. Days run at least 12 hours, with Sundays after the matinee off. Despite having zero talent for it, they assigned me to the costumer. I can barely sew a button on a shirt. We did a Neil Simon comedy. The director decided to do it as a period 1960s piece since that's when it was written. As a stickler for detail, the costumer bought two Triumph Doreen bras for each female cast member, hence my knowledge of them. Indeed, I couldn't possibly miss them, as they were all over the costume department for weeks. Oddly enough, all the ladies stole the bras at the end of the summer. But back to 1960s fashion ... All that underwear was about to come off for good. In just a couple of years, there would be Women's Liberation rallies that included bra-burnings. The miniskirt was about to become common for the first time in American history. Women didn't really wear them to show off their legs. They wore them because they could. It was seen as female empowerment. Enter _Star Trek_ 's costumer, Bill Theiss. At Roddenberry's instruction, he designed a costume that would just barely get past the network censors, at a time when it was just barely acceptable to do it. Here's the kicker: Nichelle Nichols was happy to be wearing the minidress. To push the envelope even farther, she herself re-hemmed her costume to be higher. The fact that you can see Uhura's underwear half the time is due to Nichols herself. And Roddenberry was a sexist womanizer. He never sunk to Harvey Weinstein's level, but the "casting couch" has been a thing since Hollywood first started. At this time, GR was in the death throes of his first marriage. Majel Barrett (soon to be his second and lifelong wife) was his mistress. So was Nichelle Nichols. They both knew about each other. GR also slept with a lot of female guest stars. I don't think there was ever any quid-pro-quo involved, but he was a producer and therefore a potential source of future employment. GR constantly pressed Theiss to keep pushing the limits. There were occasions when they intentionally shot something in a way they knew the censors would reject. Mixed-in would be risque scenes that the censors would otherwise have rejected. By the time they saw the risque scenes, the censors' eyes were burning out. They passed the risque scenes the producers actually wanted in the show. The network censors came to hate Roddenberry. They saw him as intractible and combative. He saw them as prudes. There's probably some truth on both sides. However, in the long run, making enemies of them was detrimental to him. When it came to female guest star costumes, GR always had final approval. The way he did it tended to be humiliating for the actress. Teri Garr told a story about her episode in which GR had her essentially paraded in front of him in costume -- in his office. GR gawked at her for a bit, then instructed Theiss to raise her hemline. Theiss pinned it up on Garr to GR's exact specifications, right there in the office. If you did that today, it would be straight to SAG with an unassailable sexual harassment charge. GR apparently did that a lot. Hence he was perfectly happy to take advantage of social changes and give the ladies minidress uniforms. It's one of those strange contradictions with Roddenberry. On the one hand, he was forward-thinking enough to have a black woman on the bridge who was equal to her male counterparts. On the other hand, he costumed her in the shortest dress he could get away with. On the third hand, she very actively participated. (There was also another, much darker thing happening in the background of all of that. I'll mention it later when it's more relevant.) Let me know if you ever piece together the behind-the-scenes jigsaw puzzle. The more that comes out about it, the more confused I become. 🖖
What a fascinating read! Someone had already told me about GR's womanizing ways and his various affairs. However, I was unaware of the forces behind the short dresses. I can see how some people might find them offensive, but I personally think they are so pretty! I already know I'm dressing as Uhura this Halloween!! I have to read more about the behind the scenes relationship of this franchise!
@@AlexxaReacts go for it with the Uhura costume. I think you'd pull it off, and I've seen a lot of Uhuras. 😉 As to reading behind the scenes, it gets really, really complicated. A lot of _Star Trek_ 's warts have started to show as the people involved have passed away. For example, nobody wanted to say anything negative about Majel Barrett while she was alive. It's the same way for all of them. You can read all the biographies (official, unofficial, and ghost-written auto-). You can read the behind the scenes tell-alls after everyone is dead. Then you have to throw out at least 3/4 of it because the person telling the story wasn't actually there, or they had a grudge ... And then you might have Harlan Ellison and his fantastic "The City On the Edge of Forever". For an outsider, it's really, really hard to separate reality from all the different stories from so many people. I think I pretty much have it straight. If you think these are long, be ready for a novella on "City". In any case, TBH, I'm not sure what I'd suggest that someone new to the series read. It's kind of a learned thing. Roddenberry said this, Bob Justman said that, Herb Solow was close to Justman's story, and Harlan said something totally different ... It's all like that. Who said what, and which is the most reliable witness? Can conflicting stories from apparently reliable witnesses be reconciled? It's just all like that. Then, just when you think you have it figured out, Susan Sackett (GR's lifelong secretary and mistress) will drop some other bombshell ... It's a big damned chore. Which I suppose is why I write these missives. 🖖
Yea them dress lenth always worried me amindly cuz for YEARS I never knew if they had pants under and wondered how they were able to fall and never have they underware shown 😂😂 but I know now they have pants under but still waaay too short several more inches would ahve don’t just well 😂 And swing sexy wanst sexism and it ain’t now, it’s just the fact that Eveyone had to look good 🤷♀️men included Irk had his shirt ripped off PLENTY a of times 😂😂😂it’s Hollywood girl sex appeal is eveything
@@sharpaycutie2 well, as I said in my post: the costume mirrored attitudes of the era. The minidresses was seen as a sign of female empowerment. And they did have panties, we've seen them: color-coded to their uniform. I think a female Starfleet officer wore: a Triumph Doreen bra, dark tights or nylons, and color-coded panties over the tights/nylons. In real life, I'm pretty sure the actresses also wore off-the-rack, 1966 "granny panties" under the tights/nylons. Panties over tights/nylons seems extremely impractical. Behind the scenes, I think this is what happened: GR wanted the shortest minidress he could get away with. Costumer Bill Thesis said: "Gene, if we make the hemlines that high, we're going to see their nylons and panties under them." "And ... ?" Roddenberry answered. "And the censors won't let us do it!" "Hmmm ... they're objecting to what?" Roddenberry asked. "Seeing where the nylons change stitching, and panties under them?" "Exactly," Theiss said, relieved that Roddenberry at least understood the problem. "What do they think about color-coded dance pants _over_ the nylons?" Roddenberry asked. "Tell them it's part of the uniform, not underwear. Will they go for that?" Thesis smiled mischievously. "They might," he said. "They just might."
8:58 Mark! This is a rare episode on which we see a ray gun fight with the Professor's old LASER versus the Captains's new PHASER! 🤠
10:51 Mark! That dead crewman's thick vest, is the kind worn by crewmen aboard aircraft carriers, and you can see them in action on flight decks. But inside a Starship?
The shuttle bay's flight deck is very short and they have never depicted crews working on one during launches and recoveries.
So the speculation is that he's a member of "Damage Control" because the Firefighters wear complete suits that cover them from head to toe that are the same style as their Haz-Mat suits and space suits. 🤔
10:29 Mark! Heh! This is the first time that it has occured to me, that Uhura, as the CCO, would make it so that petite women such as herself, wouldn't need to reach so high just to use an intercom! 😮😅
The Man Trap was the first episode shown on TV. The Cage, which was the unsold pilot, wasn’t broadcast during the three years the show was aired. The Cage took place 11 years previous. You’ll see portions of The Cage within a future episode(s.)
No, 13 years previously.
09:49 Mark! People have asked why she and Janice aren't roommates. Sure, Captains rate their own personal quarters. But they are used to the other officers sharing a cabin, while the enlisted have a bunk or a hammock in or near their workspaces. But this isn't a naval submarine. 😉 Or a naval destroyer, et cetera, et al. It also isn't the 20th Century!
Since you mentioned Uhura. She was going to quit after the first season, but she got a call from Dr. Martin Luther King. He encouraged her to stay on the show because at that time in history she had a pretty major role as a black woman plus an officer so she decided to stay with the part. She told the story many times.
This is just my theory so I don’t know how accurate it might be or not. I think that the main reason why the pilot episode with Captain Pick was not purchased by any of the networks was because back then they were unwilling to have a television show that featured a woman as a first officer and therefore a female who had a higher position on the ship to every other male except for the captain. I know that the actress who played the first officer Majel Barret (sorry if I spelled her name wrong) married Gene Rodenberry and played Nurse Chapman in the original Star Trek series. She would return for The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine where she would play the part of Luxanna Troi the mother of the ship’s counselor Deanna Troi. She also provided the voice of the computer on some of the shows although I don’t remember which series she was the computer’s voice other than The Next Generation.
The female first officer was part of the reason the networks didn't take a chance on the pilot, yeah. Another reason was that some people thought Mr. Spock looked Satanic due to his ears. Both silly reasons today.
When the studio rejected the original pilot and asked for another they also insisted on an entirely new set of characters. Roddenberry managed to fight for Spock to stay, and they very reluctantly allowed it, but everyone else had to go. There's been stories written to fill in the gaps between Pike and Kirk's time as captain, and the episode, "The Menagerie" gives some explanation, as well as using most of the footage from "The Cage." (The studio wasn't going to spend all that money to make that show and then never use it).
When Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek one of the things he was most adamant about was it not becoming a "different monster every week" show. That said, he allowed a few.
The series ended up with Kirk (Shatner) instead of Pike (Jeffrey Hunter) because Hunter's wife/manager was just too much of a PITA to deal with. She was reportedly just a constant stream of ridiculous demands and hassles.
Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) had actually planned to quit the show in the first season point but MLK himself told her that serving as a role model on TV as she'd been doing was the most important thing she could possibly do for the civil rights movement.
OMG! The MLK anecdote gave me chills! 💛
@@AlexxaReactsThe MLK connection is very well known and she also became the spokesperson for NASA.
@@gailseatonhumbert NASA?! This woman was mind-blowing!
Yes, Uhura is gorgeous. She was my first crush.
Mine too! And she's so sweet!
6:45 "Oh my god. She is _gorgeous!"_
Nichelle Nichols has found her way into _many_ fantasy files over the years and you've _especially_ got to appreciate the way the uniform shows off her legs.
It's curious that this creature should become a threat because it runs out of _salt._ I mean, it's curious that the _Enterprise_ could not simply _replicate_ some good old sodium chloride for it; all the salt it needs.
In _TNG,_ they're referred to as replicators, and the effects for them are better, but _TOS_ has food slots and it's the same technology. The idea is to convert energy to matter in the form of food, and sodium chloride is _not_ a complex compound to _make._
Update. More Star trek info. Majel Barrett who played Number one in the original pilot and then nurse Christine Chapel in the original series, also played Lwaxana Troi in Star trek the next generation. She was also the voice of the onboard computer throughout the entire star Trek series. She was Gene Roddenberry's wife.
Here's another tidbit for you, before Gene Roddenberry married Majel Barrett his main squeeze was Nichelle Nichols who played Uhura. They dated for several years before Roddenberry fell in love with Majel Barrett.
Basically, the Pike era has ended and we are in the Kirk era quite a few yrs later. The ship, technology and uniforms have changed a bit in that time. This is the direction that was taken since Jeffrey Hunter was unavailable. Works for me! Pike seemed rather short tempered and harsh at times. " Down to business" seemed to be his only vibe. Kirk, while "down to business" in his own right seemed more personable. Approachable.
19:04 Mark! 864 Views + Mine! 😎 Thumb Up #95! 🖖 You're welcome, and thanks! 😊
Notes: Hmm. George & "Sulu" are both Japanese-Americans, but as he was the token Asian aboard, classmates insisted that I must relate to him the most, as representation. Meh. I related to Kirk because I love blondes, but I also related to Spock, because Southerner McCoy was always teasing him just as I was harrassed about my mixed race biology though until I got my Chickasaw Nation Number, people thought I was mostly Asian despite what my father looked like! 😮
The cage was the first pilot that was rejected by the networks. When they made the second pilot called Where No Man Has Gone Before, Jeffrey Hunter who played Captain Pike was not available for the second pilot. He was a movie star and his wife regarded television to be 2nd class compared to the Big Screen. The only two actors who survived from the 1st pilot were Mr Spock and Number one, who then became doctor McCoy's nurse.
As far as the production order, I believe Charley X was made before the Man Trap but the Man Trap played first. Then they aired the second pilot and from there on out they played in the order they were made. Hope this helps 😊
15:15 That comment was so funny...and TRUE! 🤣🤣🤣
Somebody probably mentioned this, but this occurs 13 years after The Cage. Pike would be Fleet Captain by now. But The Cage was a failed pilot that never aired. So the new pilot had Kirk in it starting over.
Charlie X will be a great episode to see. Lt. Uhura has an extended scene which is wonderful. Loved your reaction.
Uploading as we speak! 😉
If you are looking for great Sci-Fi series to react to, I'd like to recommend Farscape (1999-2003). Jim Henson Studios designed a myriad of alien beings as integral characters in the show, and the humanoid alien species are creative, varied and bring their own cultural elements into the universe-building.
I will add it to my list! Thank you for the suggestion!
6:48 indeed Nichelle Nichols was a major hottie in TOS and the TOS movies.... 😍 she died last year, in her 80s 😞
One of the things about TOS that bears discussion are the female costumes.
As you saw in the "The Cage," female uniforms were a tunic and pants, which makes a hell of a lot more sense as a practical uniform. You could certainly make a case for a uniform skirt or dress, but _that short_ ??
There are two things at play: the Women's Liberation movement and Roddenberry's sexism. The former is the more important.
If you read my missive on your "Mudd's Women" reaction, I touched on the Women's Liberation movement that was just starting. Part of it had to do with women's fashions.
Since the 1950s, hemlines had been getting higher and women's underwear less restrictive. It was still common for women to wear a variant of the bullet bra, a girdle, a garter belt and stockings.
If you want to get an idea of what I mean, Google "Triumph Doreen". It was an off-the-shelf bra in 1966. Every woman on _Star Trek_ wore one as a matter of course.
And before you get to thinking I'm a creep, I know this because a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I was once an actor. I once did summer stock at a theater whose costumer was a stickler for detail.
There are never enough hands at a non-union summer stock theater. When actors aren't rehearsing or performing, they're given backstage jobs. Days run at least 12 hours, with Sundays after the matinee off.
Despite having zero talent for it, they assigned me to the costumer. I can barely sew a button on a shirt.
We did a Neil Simon comedy. The director decided to do it as a period 1960s piece since that's when it was written.
As a stickler for detail, the costumer bought two Triumph Doreen bras for each female cast member, hence my knowledge of them. Indeed, I couldn't possibly miss them, as they were all over the costume department for weeks.
Oddly enough, all the ladies stole the bras at the end of the summer.
But back to 1960s fashion ...
All that underwear was about to come off for good. In just a couple of years, there would be Women's Liberation rallies that included bra-burnings.
The miniskirt was about to become common for the first time in American history. Women didn't really wear them to show off their legs. They wore them because they could. It was seen as female empowerment.
Enter _Star Trek_ 's costumer, Bill Theiss. At Roddenberry's instruction, he designed a costume that would just barely get past the network censors, at a time when it was just barely acceptable to do it.
Here's the kicker: Nichelle Nichols was happy to be wearing the minidress. To push the envelope even farther, she herself re-hemmed her costume to be higher. The fact that you can see Uhura's underwear half the time is due to Nichols herself.
And Roddenberry was a sexist womanizer. He never sunk to Harvey Weinstein's level, but the "casting couch" has been a thing since Hollywood first started.
At this time, GR was in the death throes of his first marriage. Majel Barrett (soon to be his second and lifelong wife) was his mistress.
So was Nichelle Nichols.
They both knew about each other.
GR also slept with a lot of female guest stars. I don't think there was ever any quid-pro-quo involved, but he was a producer and therefore a potential source of future employment.
GR constantly pressed Theiss to keep pushing the limits. There were occasions when they intentionally shot something in a way they knew the censors would reject. Mixed-in would be risque scenes that the censors would otherwise have rejected. By the time they saw the risque scenes, the censors' eyes were burning out. They passed the risque scenes the producers actually wanted in the show.
The network censors came to hate Roddenberry. They saw him as intractible and combative. He saw them as prudes. There's probably some truth on both sides. However, in the long run, making enemies of them was detrimental to him.
When it came to female guest star costumes, GR always had final approval. The way he did it tended to be humiliating for the actress.
Teri Garr told a story about her episode in which GR had her essentially paraded in front of him in costume -- in his office. GR gawked at her for a bit, then instructed Theiss to raise her hemline. Theiss pinned it up on Garr to GR's exact specifications, right there in the office.
If you did that today, it would be straight to SAG with an unassailable sexual harassment charge.
GR apparently did that a lot. Hence he was perfectly happy to take advantage of social changes and give the ladies minidress uniforms.
It's one of those strange contradictions with Roddenberry. On the one hand, he was forward-thinking enough to have a black woman on the bridge who was equal to her male counterparts. On the other hand, he costumed her in the shortest dress he could get away with.
On the third hand, she very actively participated.
(There was also another, much darker thing happening in the background of all of that. I'll mention it later when it's more relevant.)
Let me know if you ever piece together the behind-the-scenes jigsaw puzzle. The more that comes out about it, the more confused I become. 🖖
What a fascinating read! Someone had already told me about GR's womanizing ways and his various affairs. However, I was unaware of the forces behind the short dresses. I can see how some people might find them offensive, but I personally think they are so pretty! I already know I'm dressing as Uhura this Halloween!! I have to read more about the behind the scenes relationship of this franchise!
@@AlexxaReacts go for it with the Uhura costume. I think you'd pull it off, and I've seen a lot of Uhuras. 😉
As to reading behind the scenes, it gets really, really complicated. A lot of _Star Trek_ 's warts have started to show as the people involved have passed away. For example, nobody wanted to say anything negative about Majel Barrett while she was alive. It's the same way for all of them.
You can read all the biographies (official, unofficial, and ghost-written auto-). You can read the behind the scenes tell-alls after everyone is dead.
Then you have to throw out at least 3/4 of it because the person telling the story wasn't actually there, or they had a grudge ...
And then you might have Harlan Ellison and his fantastic "The City On the Edge of Forever". For an outsider, it's really, really hard to separate reality from all the different stories from so many people.
I think I pretty much have it straight. If you think these are long, be ready for a novella on "City".
In any case, TBH, I'm not sure what I'd suggest that someone new to the series read. It's kind of a learned thing. Roddenberry said this, Bob Justman said that, Herb Solow was close to Justman's story, and Harlan said something totally different ...
It's all like that. Who said what, and which is the most reliable witness? Can conflicting stories from apparently reliable witnesses be reconciled?
It's just all like that. Then, just when you think you have it figured out, Susan Sackett (GR's lifelong secretary and mistress) will drop some other bombshell ...
It's a big damned chore. Which I suppose is why I write these missives. 🖖
@@SYLTales Well, I love reading what you write! It gives me fun context on the show and the cast!
Yea them dress lenth always worried me amindly cuz for YEARS I never knew if they had pants under and wondered how they were able to fall and never have they underware shown 😂😂 but I know now they have pants under but still waaay too short several more inches would ahve don’t just well 😂
And swing sexy wanst sexism and it ain’t now, it’s just the fact that Eveyone had to look good 🤷♀️men included Irk had his shirt ripped off PLENTY a of times 😂😂😂it’s Hollywood girl sex appeal is eveything
@@sharpaycutie2 well, as I said in my post: the costume mirrored attitudes of the era. The minidresses was seen as a sign of female empowerment.
And they did have panties, we've seen them: color-coded to their uniform. I think a female Starfleet officer wore: a Triumph Doreen bra, dark tights or nylons, and color-coded panties over the tights/nylons.
In real life, I'm pretty sure the actresses also wore off-the-rack, 1966 "granny panties" under the tights/nylons. Panties over tights/nylons seems extremely impractical.
Behind the scenes, I think this is what happened:
GR wanted the shortest minidress he could get away with. Costumer Bill Thesis said:
"Gene, if we make the hemlines that high, we're going to see their nylons and panties under them."
"And ... ?" Roddenberry answered.
"And the censors won't let us do it!"
"Hmmm ... they're objecting to what?" Roddenberry asked. "Seeing where the nylons change stitching, and panties under them?"
"Exactly," Theiss said, relieved that Roddenberry at least understood the problem.
"What do they think about color-coded dance pants _over_ the nylons?" Roddenberry asked. "Tell them it's part of the uniform, not underwear. Will they go for that?"
Thesis smiled mischievously. "They might," he said. "They just might."
Sucubus!
Yes!!