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Hey guys, did you know that in terms of
Since I've unlocked Slowpoke Tail a few weeks ago, I've never got the second one from any skill trigger yet. I'm so impressed with any players who can cook the dish with Slowpoke Tail.
if you use some ingredient tickets you should be able to get some as well
You sure you at least unlocked it in "Notes" right? As in you farmed it at least once.
Yes, bro. I've unlocked it everywhere. Hope to get better luck later.
You reminded me that I actually played the tickets several times after it unlocked as well. No luck so far.
@@NatNk7 strange, my lvl 5 main skill blastoise gets it every other day. Maybe you need a mon with ingredient magnet, skill trigger S/M and drop some main skill seeds on it
I finally evolved an Eevee I had into Vaporeon after discovering the high skill trigger chance on it! Then this video dropped! Its good to see that Vaporeon still has an advantage over Blastoise. My Vaporeon is still low level, but even then it already activated its skill 3 times today! Can't wait for it to hit 25 when it gets Skill Trigger M!
One thing I really hope for in the future is that main skill level can increase with sleep time shared, like 1 level per 250 hours or something
I think that would have some issues with making main skill level up subskills essentially worthless in the long term. They are already pretty bad for premium players but this would make them bad even for f2p
Maybe instead it could be X hours of sleep with a pokemon gives you a main skill seed, once per pokemon?
It might be something that has a level 7 or 8 main skill that becomes unlocked for reaching so many hours.
I think it's more likely to be a boost of some nature. Like skill trigger boost
I ran a full team of eevees for a week. Because of their skill trigger I had a variety of ingredients to choose from.
One downside using Vap is also the relative slow base frequency (Every 50mins+). So not only you would prefer to have Skill Level Up M (FTP), you would also need helping speed M, skill trigger M and Speed of Help Nature to reach approximately 40mins or under.
Vaporeon has a higher proc rate than a mon like say, Sylveon, to make up for its lesser speed. So I get why you might think that it needs speed, but in reality it does plenty fine with just main skill nature + skill triggers.
you can also adding helping bonus on your teammates so that has a workaround
Vaporeon makes up for slower speed by having high powered berry (Oran). Glaceon/Umbreon even more so, and even slower.
The core of my team is Blastoise, Charizard, Venasaur, Glaceon with my 5th slot getting swapped based on island and dish. I save slowpoke tails for salad weeks... it's been 2 weeks, so sitting on 86 tails.
That's a bit too much ingredients specialist imo. That is good to save for a week to spam use your tails, but the weeks you use all 3 ingredient magnets ingredient specialists I can't see it being better than using BFS fave berry specialist instead.
another great pokemon sleep video. thank u brovinnie!
Great video
thanks for the analysis and showing how to find the skill trigger values!
Glad it was helpful!
RNGeezus be praised… the randomness is the only thing stopping me from running a group of 4-5 Ingredient Magnet pokemon.
even if you do run 4-5 ingredient magnet Pokemon (not recommended), the problem is ingredients are not meta because of Pot size limit every meal. Berries are meta because there is no limit to how much you can feed Snorlax. Over-farming ingredients is considerably a bad team build.
Amazing video as always!! I’m stuck with leeks and tails!! But… I think soon will be more pokemon with these ingredients as first option!! 😅
The internet has made me scared for anything about vaporeon XD
Did you know that in terms of
you don't need to forgo vaporeon on desert week because it's own base ingredients are milk and cacao (the sausage is at 60)
But not very much. Compare to how much Blastoise could farm milk & cacao, it is not a good choice to run vaporeon for its ingredient drops during dessert weeks.
I'm a f2p player and my main ingredient finder is a Venasaur that has Ingredient Magnet M so I used a main skill seed on him and now he's level6.
Ingredient magnet is a good skill. Venusaur focuses more on ingredients than skill however. Its skill trigger rate is thus low comared to vaporeon.
"It's going to be better at triggering this skill than, say, your Charizard"
I kid you not, at that exact moment, my Charizard's skill triggered and he gave me multiple Slowpoke tails 🤣 That of course doesn't make your statement any less true, I just thought it was really funny timing.
Charizard heard me saying Vaporeon does the job better.
Charizard: hold my sausage
My Blastoise finds slowpoke tails!!! Just discovered it this morning!!!
Great in depth video, I've noticed you keep using Slaking as a reference in your videos. I'm just wondering if Slaking has a place on a team or if it's not worth the investment. Keep up the great content.
Slaking is... very interesting. I don't have first hand experience with one yet but on paper, it's weird.
It is basically a skill specialist that naturally has BFS. Or rather a "dual" skill berry specialist but is slow. However despite being slow has high trigger on its main skill.
On top of all that it has high ingredient rate (which is not a good thing, if you just want to focus on berries).
I keep bringing it up because it's interesting and goes to the tops the charts on some stats, but I don't feel it is essential.
Slaking is basically a better version of Vaporeon for Snowdrop. You'd want to get +skill -ing nature on it in order to bring its berry production up since it has a very high ing%. Regardless, it is a beast of a mon if you get main skill lv6.
Thanks for the info guys, I'm going to start hunting for a strong one because I like weird
I have a level 35 Slaking with Main Skill + and EXP - nature. Level 10, 25, and 50 skills are: Berry Finding S, Skill Trigger M, and Helping Speed M. Yes it is a naturally slower Pokémon but my Slaking consistently triggers 4-6 times per day. I have stopped running ingredient specialist and only run slaking and berry specialist and still fill up my 45 pot size every meal. If you have a good option to invest I would truly recommend Slaking. I also have its main skill up to level 5 and it is such a good team member
As I don't have tails yet I will wait for vaporon - then I will also wait for the next favorite berries Island so I can decide if I need a specific eeveelution for that new island. But yea this vid definitely change my mind and now I wanna evolve vapo everywhere :p
Nice. Inventory is super important for Absol, so don't fret about lack of ingredient finder.
Lesgooo Vaporeon supremacy
One note here at 11:30, the calc you are using already accounts for their frequency when it gives you that skill number. Essentially you can do: 3622.17/3246.16 = 1.1158 -> Vaporeon procs ~11.58% more per day than Slaking. If you want to see the actually trigger % by species then you need to select that option in the filter instead.
Yes I'm aware, but when I talk about speed it's not just about skill procs. If skill trigger value is higher, but the pokemon were slower, then the reduced berry production is a concern too, since berries are meta. Considering the 2x berries on Slaking compared to 1x on Vaporeon, Slaking would be doubly as fast in strength terms despite being slower. Particularly more important when we compare the favorite berry typing of CB vs SDT when choosing between these 2.
@@Bropenings Gotcha, wasn't sure if you knew or not so seemed worth mentioning, might have been helpful for other people to know too. And yeah Slaking is pretty OP on Tundra even with the slower frequency because of the double berries, BFS + trigger would be the dream tho
Lol omg ignore my comment I should've finished the video before I commented 😂
Can you make a video on the pros and cons of evolving vigoroth into slaking? I was reading on Reddit that it's better to not evolve due to slaking being slower?
The general consensus is:
Stay as Vigoroth - if the subskills & nature boost its berry roduction.
Evolve to Slaking - if the subskills & nature boost its skill trigger.
wasnt there news of new ingredients and dishes coming. so more ingredients would lower the odds of vaporeon getting the tails.
I have a shiny vaporeon with main skill up nature but no skill trigger sub skills :( but it does trigger the skill quite often. More than my skillveon :0
Skill problem?
I have a venusaur with skill trigger S and M, he also has an main skill up nature. I decided to invest in him, but he turned out to be a dissapointment xD
Yeah unfortunately Venusaur, being not a skill specialist, has inherently low skill trigger rate. So even if you stack all the skill triggers into it, it'll still be worse than a half decent Vaporeon. You can use skill trigger analysis to see how big a difference you'd expect to see on RaenonX calculator.
However if all the other stats on the Venusaur are good, then there's no harm to keep using it.
I am going to consider this option. I have not gotten any good Slowpokes and I was hoping not to waste candies just to unlock Slowpoke tail, but I may have to. I use an ingredient magnet Eevee for Snowdrop so I may just use her or if I get another good Eevee evolve it since I do have a good Oran berry farmer either.
So any mix of Berry Finding, Skill Trigger, Skill Level, Helping Bonus skill are what we should use along with a Skill Up nature?
Berry Finding S should be reserved for areas you need to build for (e.g. Glaceon for Snowdrop). If you are after a generalized skill specialist specifically to farm rare ingredients, you should consider more skill focussed instead. STM+STS+MSC up nature would be a good start.
If f2p, also SLUM/SLUS
Do you think Main Skill chance down nature is really too bad for Skill specialists, after the patch that increases their proc rate when they've failed to activate for a while?
It feels like it could not be too bad if it's going to trigger it's skill anyway at the end
Coping for that one Eevee with ingredient finder M and S and Berry finding S lmao!
We don't know if main skill chance nature is calculated before or after the pity trigger.
I would suggest you don't go for main skill down eevees (except umbreon)
So I need to get a slowpoke level 30 and get a slowpoke tail from it in order to unlock slowpoke tails dropping from skill triggers and ingredient tickets?
Yes
I still don't evolved my evee because I didn't needed it yet but I think it's very good for Vaporeon.
BFS
Sk Tr M
Inv M
Inv S
Speed S
Skill up/Ingredient down
That's a nice Eevee. Would be good for Glaceon if you need expand pot and team building for Snowdrop. If you just want to farm rare ingredients, it's good for vaporeon also.
I got a Lvl10 Berry Finding S, Lvl25 Skill Trigger S and Level 50 Skill Trigger M Eevee. Im stuck between evolving it into a Vaporean or a Sylveon.
I am leaning towards Vaporean because both are good for Cyan Beach and I will be there a while. I find myself running out of ingredients.
Sylveon is power creeped and overshadowed by Gardevoir so I wouldn't pick sylveon
@@Bropenings Thank you for reading and replying.
what if someone makes a new acc with almost no ingredients (like 1 or 2) and just grinds slowpoke till 30 to unlock tails
then pick a perfect pokemon team with ingredient magnet skill to farm and level up with slowpoke tails
would that be viable?
THEORETICALLY, yes that would provide more tails. However when will this account ever unlock other ingredients? Does this account never want to make other dishes?
When you eventually run out of tails (you will, the rate of tails consumption is higher than can be farmed), what dish will you make then?
If you unlock only tail ingredient, then there is a 1/12 chance of ing magnet/ticket giving tails.
If you unlock all rare ingredients, then there is a 4/15 chance of ing magnet/ticket giving rare ingredients.
Versatility lies with unlocking all ingredients.
@@Bropenings If you unlocked only apple + herb + oil + tail then you would be 50% chance for tails each ticket
Although to use an ingredient magnet skill specialist, you'd also have to unlock either milk/honey/tomato as well
do you have high main skill level vaporion yourself? just wondering how it works in practice.
I haven't even got a good enough Eevee for Glaceon (my originally planned first Eeveelution) despite having friendship level 30.
I just send 3 main seeds on Walrein ingredient magnet, have 3 remaining. I could get Vaporeon to L5 main skill if I must, but to be worth that much investment it's gotto be nearly perfect for me.
@@Bropenings yeah I got 7 bfs eevees myself, but non of them is good enough, wish they will add nature changing stones at some point
Definitely shouldn't prioritize Glaceon. I'm closing in on Lv30 and I don't even have enough sleep styles registered for SDT, let alone that I should pe prioritizing the Eeveelution to level up there. Vaporeon, Jolteon, and even better, Sylveon are far more interesting before all that.
Sylveon is very slightly better than Wigglytuff. But if you invest in a Sylveon, what will you do with all the Jiggly candies?
I would much prefer dumping Jiggly candies to make a good L50 Wigglytuff than sharing all the Eevee candies with a Sylveon that will stay at L25 because of lack of candies.
Glaceon is a priority if you can get a BFS one, for snowdrop team building. This was the recommendation before the Holiday event that gave us: Spheal candies & Snovers.
However the lack of snowdrop coverage is still a concern so having a powerful glaceon is a priority for team building purposes. If you are purely talking about skill purposes, then vaporeon vs glaceon depends on whether your main pokemon over-farms ingredients.
So you're saying 2 arcanine and 3 ditto
bruh